This was SO requested. And I’m confident it’s because so many people are dealing with this right now. I feel terrible for her, she’s handling it pretty darn good! Check out Jess’a channel for a really chilled out homestead/garden channel ruclips.net/user/RootsandRefugeFarm
Are bio reclamation plants the same as hyperaccumulators? Is the a list published anywhere? Also those tests are expensive. Can you test for a herbicide by planting the targeted weeds? Also it seems that those persistent pesticides and forever chemicals are best destroyed by fire. PFAS breaks down at 1200 degrees. But is there a “safe way to burn it” so that we are not off gassing these chemicals in the burn? If this creates an over abundance of bio bar are their perhaps volcanic plant varieties good and breaking down this carbon concentrate?
Wow, this is so informative! I learned so much, thank you! I just want to add that the reason Jess was using bagged compost was to build her gardening space faster on their new property. She talks about soil health often and didn't seem like she wanted to import the compost in but had no choice. As a small-space patio gardener, I completely understand.
A suggestion as to "removable" biochar. We fishkeepers use activated charcoal in our fish tanks to capture and remove chemical contaminents. We use net bags. I suggest trying this in the soil. Long tubes could be sown to hold the biochar. After being in the soil 2 weeks they could easily be removed.
I asked this very question in the comments of Jess' video. There was no reply, but I'm very sure that's simply bcuz of how many comments for her vids. Wouldn't the charcoal work better in this process if it were NOT inoculated charcoal? So that the charcoal would absorb whatever is in the soil?
You mean the regular fish tank char bags? If so how much would you use per soil. I have 2 Birdie beds the 8-1 Done in a 6’X4’ and both took out my night shades and one has Cantaloupe in it but it hasn’t grown hardly at all My watermelons in the other bed are doing wonderful already got some The cantaloupes were planted the same time 2 different beds and it’s just now climbing up the cattle panel!! If it grows at all it will be fall cantaloupe at this point! Thanks for any help!!
A cheaper option might be the fine white mesh bags they sell at the dollar store for " produce bag". I bought one and have been using it to strain whey from my yogurt. Washable and reusable.
Great advice thanks for explaining the reasoning behind it. Too many RUclipsrs just regurgitate something they heard without any knowledge of the what or why . Very informative channel 👍👍
Thank you Ashley, I have passed this info (and video) on to our parents who have a small amount (a bag or two) of purchased soil or compost that ‘just won’t grow’ specific plants, which has confused us. We know it’s only a small amount, but I asked them to quarantine the soil as a precaution. Much appreciated! 😀
Phytoremediation. Plant corn. When it's mature, cut it and burn it. Willows and cattails are also good for phytoremediation Helps remove the persistent herbicides. Vermiculture can also be used to remove hazardous elements.
Wow David the Good also had grazon issues. He used cow manure of his garden and it killed everything. Turned out the cow ate grass sprayed with grazon. The photos are devastating. Contorted brush branches
Thanks for helping Jessica that girl loves her gardening and seems to help others ❤️ Seems like there's plenty of work without more crap like her problem with her soil. Thanks you Lady with the green bird because it's green.
@@GardeningInCanada I enjoy longer videos. Further explanation and clarification add to the content not detract. It’s a pity we want everything in quick snippets that don’t really do much but provide entertainment but very little quality knowledge.
Congrats! After watching your most recent episode on Canadian Prepper, your episode above came up in the number one spot top left under "recommended" by RUclips! And even better, after I clicked and watched this episode of yours just 2 hours after you posted it, YT has continued to que up more of your episodes on my smart tv. It is currently on your Jan 6,2021 episode where you are knocking it dead BAM on the guy who name-called you after you questioned his ap levels of manure/compost!?!! I am loving the science, which is going over my head, but then you pull it together in layman's terms and it clicks in my head!! thanks!!
p.s. As YT continues to que your episodes on my tv, I have come over to my computer to type this comment. You are right about many YT homestead/farm/garden or prepper channels having issues with adding purchased soil or compost to an existing and in-progress mid-season growth.... If I remember correctly, 1) 'Perma Pastures Farm' just had an episode about the added "soil" killing off the potato plants in raised gardens. 2) same happened with "Deep South Homestead" when they added store- bought soil and they compared it to some that did not get the store-bought soil. PSs: Deep South ended up with ants and or termites from some mulch they brought in! Finally, I have a question that seems to be coming up often in the YT channels: Deep South addressed something called "Flash Drought" and others have same issue but no name for it. Additionally, what is the deal with intentional contrails in the sky? Is it to seed the clouds for rain? I live down in the St Croix Valley USA just one zone south of you. I will take any and every episode you make!
YT has now auto-played episode from Nov 23, 2020, with the water and the sponge!! Which demonstrates water retention in soil, but I haven't gotten to your layman's explanation yet! Gotta go pay attention to the nerdy part Lol! Thanks! As long as they keep presenting you in a chain of auto-plays on my tv, I am not going to turn it off! You have inspired me to get growing more stuff! I will keep hitting thumbs up with my tv remote:))
Thank you. This was very interesting, practical and informative. It’s well worth remembering that being so stuck on one way of doing things (no dig or always tilling) can limit our perspective to what is available and achievable in a situation. I practice no dig as well but I can definitely see a difference to the soil when my chooks dig it up and aerate it and incorporate the the top layer of mulch into the garden soil. Your suggestion sound great as standard practice care for the garden. Thanks
Hi Ashley,, just discovered you and new sub just now. I'm in N.E. Oklahoma and a Master gardener and have this problem. Picked up large quantity of manure this spring. Am adding much leaf mold to these beds now. Well see how that works out. Lot of folks having this issue. I appreciate your content.
Sadly, I too have this problem and was looking into planting a cover crop over the winter, such as annual rye. You mention that you need to remove the biomass and treat it as biohazard reclamation - which I totally understand. However, you said to just cut it down. Is it okay to leave the roots or should you try and remove the roots as well as they would theoretically be more biohazard reclamation? Thank you for this video! I learned SO much!!
I recently helped a friend set up a small waist high garden box because he recently bought a house and was interested in trying to grow a few greens on his deck. We only used bagged potting soil from a local nursery. I was shocked how poorly his box did considering it was brand new material that was somewhat pricey. Within a few weeks the veggie starts turned yellow though he watered religiously. We had to start adding fish fertilizer almost immediately. It goes to show you the nursery soil may not even be tested for quality control which you’d think they’d want to do to keep customers. Next time around I’ll probably bring him some of my homemade compost. At least at home I know what’s going in it.
Here's a question I've been wondering about with Jess' soil issue- When they first got there, they were very open about what went on chemically on that property before they bought it. The previous owners DID spray that property with chemicals, altho I do not recall the exact chemicals, and I'm too lazy to go back in the videos to research it. However I believe one of the chemicals mentioned was glyphosate. So my question is this- Would the results of the glyphosate (or any other chemical) remaining in the soil be showing up in the plants now? Here's why I'm wondering about this particular issue- I saw in Jess' video some sections of the made beds are having worse results than others. Isn't it totally feasible that there would have been sections on their land that had a heavier saturation of chemicals than others due to rain fall pooling & accumulating? The topsoil they used for the hightunnels: I do remember when they leveled the land to place their house on it, they scraped off the topsoil and saved it to later be put in the high tunnels. Which is all good thinking when talking about rich topsoil. However, this area where they placed their house is also one of the areas where rain run-off accumulates. Which to me, also means chemical run-off, or a higher concentration of persistent chemicals. And in that line of thinking, when they transfered a lot of what they thought was "good" topsoil to the area inside the high tunnels (which is where they planted a lot of the tomatoes) perhaps this is why they are having these negative issues with the plants? I know she added compost on top of that topsoil, so the first thought would be the compost is the problem. I get that. I'm not discounting that. I'm also not discounting how the previous chemical presence could still be in their topsoil. So, thinking about how tomatoes are planted a lot deeper than other plants, along with how tomatoes root quickly and deeply, it does make me wonder about the residual chemicals that were possibly in their topsoil... And maybe that's the reason the more shallow rooted plants are not showing these same signs? I guess I'm wondering this simply bcuz Jess has not brought the issue of their land having been previously chemically treated in these current soil issue videos. Maybe I'm way off base in thinking in this direction. I don't know. Just a theory that's rolling around in my brain.
So regular glyphosate likely won’t cause the issue mostly because it’s degraded really quickly. But if the land was hay field for example they aren’t using glyphosate. They are using something more persistent.
@@susanchapman4140 Yes, I heard that too. And I'm definitely not discounting that fact. I'm also trying to encompass all the other preexisting factors too. Just tossing ALL the factors into the pot! It's all a guessing game as to where all the problems are coming from. Unless Jess had the soil on the farm tested BEFORE she brought anything new onto the property. Maybe the preexisting sprayed chemicals have nothing to do with the current issues? Maybe the combo of the preexisting AND whatever chemicals are in the new compost are reacting? Maybe that's a long-shot!? Who knows... Of course I absolutely love that Jess is focusing on the fix! I am a strong advocate of mushroom mycelium, and use it in my own yard. All that said... I still wonder about the residual, preexisting chemicals in the soil, and just what level of degradation are they at? As well as - are they having ANY effect on the food outcome? I can't help it. I just can't shake that part of it! Inquiring Minds want to know! Not that knowing these things would change the fixing of the soil... Would it? I just don't know. So many questions!!
I didn't add compost other than what I produce at home but last year my tomatoes grew great then wilted and died, they are better this year but some are wilting now and I believe it is from the straw I put on the beds last year. I removed the straw from the tomato area and planted tomatoes elsewhere but the only crops it seems to have harmed are the tomatoes and cucumbers. I am doing no till but not no dig so at end of season I will probably take out my tiller again. Thanks for the info, I am going to try and see what I can do for this area of my garden.
had this happen to me last growing season , i put 7 18' trailer loads of horse manure on my garden and was giddy about the garden season, well it was a disaster , 50 tomoto plants not one tomoto curled leaves on plants that survived , the good news is this year they look great ...
@@GardeningInCanada Absolutely! It's time for a well needed marathon. So I have an idea I would love covered...if possible. How to control house flies, but keep your army flies alive in the compost bin? Those horrible house flies killed one of my 🐰... I have invested in the mosquito bites product but wonder if I'm killing other soil critters as I add it to my raised beds, lawn, and planters...?
Thanks for this video. I think I got a bag of contaminated composted manure. 5 tomato plants have curled down leaves and they are distorted, they were the last plants in. I ran out of my own compost and only needed a little to finish the spring garden work. Looks like those plants are destined to get pulled real soon. That or I will leave the plants in it, and let the weeds take over to suck the poison out, then dispose of them. For me, its a minor problem. I do mainly sip container gardening and so the tainted soil is in 5 five gallon buckets. I have 16 other tomato plants. The real problem is new gardeners who may put this garbage in, and leave them thinking they are no good at gardening and give up.
I am a new gardener this year (West Tx, zone 8a), and while my garden is doing well, I also planted some young crepe myrtle trees in March, 2022 to improve the property. I have one Natchez and two Pink Muskogees. The two Muskogees r planted on the south side of the house about 25 ft apart. One is doing fantastic, and one has dropped all it’s leaves and is dying. I have planted, watered and fertilized them the same way, and they both get the same amt of sun/day. The soil around the one that is dying tested very alkaline, then we got rain which then showed normal pH lvls. I’m now thinking the soil could be contaminated bc my hubby pointed out that even our grass has nvr grown well in that spot. I was so discouraged that I almost gave up bc the trees were not cheap and losing it just hurts my heart. So I’m researching what I can do and that led to this video. Ur so right that new gardeners may just give up thinking they have a black thumb. I know I don’t bc I’ve been successful in growing many things thus far including my other crepe myrtle trees, but man, it can suck the spirit right out of u when u lose something u’ve put ur whole heart and soul into! If u have any advice u think could help me and want to share, I’d appreciate any feedback. Ty!
@@GardeningInCanada It does suck because it took out all the beefsteak tomatoes. But I have five Ace55, five Edox, and six Black Brandywine plants growing like crazy. I would have been pissed to no end if it happened to the Black Brandywine. I knew it was a possibility and I have been working to be as self sufficient as possible. I just didnt have enough compost or leaf mold, probably because I expanded my garden again this year, the final expansion, no more room. Wellllll, maybe there is room for some potatoes in 10 or 15 gallon grow bags in front of my garage (extra large garden storage with no room for cars). I added 15 new five gallon sips, ten seven gallon grow bags, and two 4' kiddie pool beds. Good thing I had already expanded my leaf mold bins last fall (two 4.5'x4.5'x4.5' and one 3'x3' round one that have been topped off as they shrank to many times to count) and I might add a third square one this fall. I went crazy gathering leaves in the fall getting 50 stuffed contractor bags full of them, so next spring I might be able to avoid buying any compost. Im looking at it as a learning experience, and a chance to take action to eliminate one expense each year that I likely wouldnt if this never happened.
I know that Greg Stamets has a video where he shows that he used mushrooms to clear up a site of toxins. He showed that the standard ways of trying to make the soil alive was done by 2 plots from vendors and the mushroom one came alive slowly and then plants grew and birds, etc back. Just a thought.
That was greatly informative! Any chance you could one day make a video like this about lead contaminated soil? Lots of information on uptake by different plants, but rarely explained well for laypeople. Also, would love to hear your input on organic matter / pH / amendments such as biochar making any difference. We found out a while ago that our orchard is a contaminated site due to centuries old lead mining upstream of a river that used to flood the garden. Was planning on creating a vegetable garden but am sticking to fruit trees and shrubs for the while being because of this. Thanks for all that you do ❤️
I have these same questions for my property which is located near a small, but heavily traveled ranch road, and rain water run-off flows down into my yard. This just makes me think the road way contaminates from cars have accumulated over the years where the water ends up. I'm currently trying to grow sunflowers to help clean up the soil in the few sunny places. I also have another issue next to this same area with an invasive plant called ligustrum. When I moved here 23 years ago there wasn't any ligustrum. This one area, about 100 feet by 30 feet, was a wild area, lots of brush, we couldn't even walk thru it. I was too busy to deal with it, and it was fine to let it stay wild. Fast forward 23 years and it's now covered in ligustrum. The problem is nothing else is growing there. And I mean NOTHING. We can walk thru that area with no problem, even during the most prolific growong months of the year. Zero weeds. Zero vines. The soil between the ligustrum bushes is completely bare. Just the way the ligustrum likes it! I've thrown seeds out there, none have taken. I've even planted a few ground covers, but nothing survives. Recently I started researching ligustrum. Boy oh Boy! I should have paid more attention to the changes in that area from the beginning! But one interesting thing I learned is that the chemical that ligustrum produces in its leaves is glyphosate. (none of the other parts of the plant have been studied for this that I can find) Of course this is the perfect thing to create it's allopathic environment! And it's working beautifully for the ligustrum! Now, even the older trees in the ligustrum section look to be succumbing to the ligustrum allopathic environment. Even a Live Oak, which is approx 100 years old, is showing signs of suffering. I have several other older Live Oaks on my property which are doing beautifully, but they are more than 50 away. My point is I've now got to cut out the ligustrum - that's clear! But how to help clean up the soil in this 100x30 foot area as soon as possible so I can save the tree is my big question. There's not a lot of sun. Altho there will be more when the ligustrum is all gone. At that point I'm guessing part sun, so I could get some spindly sunflowers going over there, but not many... I also want to use mushrooms to help clean the soil, but I'm not sure which kind to aim for keeping in mind I want the mushrooms to work along side of the Oak tree, not against it. Any suggestions or ideas for this project is most appreciated!!
That's exactly what I was thinking was a possibility that the speading up of the process could be the cause and not necessarily a herbicide...or even possibly it is but with a speeded up process something might not be broken down.
Just happened to my friends garden. She used her own well rotted horse manure, so were thinking aminopyralid too. Matches all the other pictures I found online.
The big unanswered question is whether or not food grown in contaminated soil is safe to eat, or put another way are plant growth regulator chemicals harmful to humans. We already know glyphosate is.
Just came across a research paper that said salicylic acid, particularly seed priming w/ SA, can confer resistance to clopyralid. Article by Ghahremani et al. 2022 'Salicylic acid alleviates oxidative stress and lipid peroxidation caused by clopyralid herbicide in Indian mustard plants'. So give the plants 2 aspirin & check on them in the morning? I think feeding antioxidants might help also. I had a purple potato that survived, but a red & white did not. Purple potatoes are full of antioxidant anthocyanins.
What are your thought on using a triple mix? I added it to my garden this year, I have some tomatoes with some leaf curl but are producing tomatoes. Plants look healthy other thanbsome curled leaves. Thanks
With all the ppl in several countries having issues with contaminated compost/soil, it’s almost like someone doesn’t want ppl to be able to grow their own food. 🤔
found out that the straw I bought at Tractor Supply from Shadlee has 2,4-D on it! is it the same as the Grazon? I'm not sure how to proceed yet. Straw was put on last year and a little this year that was left over.
Great video and scary as to how many things can be wrong with soil and ompost. Would you do a video on testing soil? I will be rehabilitating a garden after it was turned into a construction site and I could use some wisdom in selecting top soil that will be used by the landscaping company. I live in the Montreal area so your canadian perspective is precipis to me. Tanks so much.
@@GardeningInCanada Can you also put in more details. For example, if you planted a tomato or a bean or a pea plant, what would you see if it were a herbicide vs. some mineral imbalance/lack of nutrient vs. surfactants. My usual test is.. control and experiment during the winter when I have my seedlings. Anything looks weird and the stuff is quarantined and used for flowers and things like that. (at least that's my proposed plan. I haven't come across anything. Maybe because I use soil and I try to keep my compost in house as much as possible.)
I’ve just discovered that my outdoor taps are all on the same treatment/softener well system as indoors. Would this affect my garden beds? My tomatoes are looking quite puny in the new raised beds but not in some ratty sandy beds? First time garden and never heard of pre testing compost
Yeah unfortunately I can. The issue is that it may be introducing calcium carbonate. And ultimately calcium carbonate will change the pH. However there are some things you can do to adjust it and keep it in balance. I can do a video on this for you!
Watch her last couple of videos. The problem with testing is it’s cheaper if you know what to test for. At least the company who provided the soil is helping to repair the problem.
Jess took a university course I think it was permaculture last winter. When she added soil in Arkansas they called it super soil. The soil they found at the new farm was fine in the garden but was toxic inside. I wonder if after passing through an animal then hay or straw and then into a vegetable if a metabolite needs to be tested. All this should have been done before the herbicide was allowed on the market. I bet humans weren’t tested on the side effects.
I feed my soil microbes with molasses tea, yeast tea, smelly fish emulsion, kelp tea, just a little. It’s cheap, it goes a long way. When they’ve done their work, the soil smells good enough to eat.
Hi, my first thought was that it was Juglone mulch since that area is full of nut trees BUT she had a very plentiful potato harvest as well. But she did only use the compost in the high tunnel... I Still think it may be juglone.
@@GardeningInCanada Yes, but I will do it again with more links. Have you heard from Jess? I would think she'd have contacted you to thank you for your support.
It is 24D, and it is on the wind as well. Lost all tomatoes, beans last year. Once you see "kinky leaf" you will notice it everywhere. Most all gardeners have this, some plants mildly effected and still grow fruits. I still believe in the biochar.
11:40 Instead of pitchforking and overturning, couldn't they also just use a digging fork or broadfork, to lift the soil and introduce aeration this way? In this method, the soil is not overturned, it is just essentially 'heaved'/levered up and then the fork is brought back to vertical or close to, before being lifted out and placed on next section.
They definitely could. The only issue is you’re obviously not introducing as much oxygen. So the process may take a little bit longer is the issue. But the most important thing is regardless of which method who choose you’re comfortable with it. So if you’re uncomfortable at tele then do not tell and use the broad fork
Wow! This is super interesting. One more thing for us to worry about. Geez, talk about heartbreaking. Are there pesticides which the patent doesn’t allow for outside testing for it (so it wouldn’t pop up in a soil test)? The same way (as ridiculous as it is) some of our genes are patented by big pharma so testing and research cannot be conducted on them.
No it should be showing if it’s in a qty great enough to cause this damage. And the only reason I know that is because I used to take plant biomass samples for pesticide testing to have them pass agriculture agri foods Canada requirements. You have to show what exactly the pesticide is doing in the trophic systems at certain dates.
My beans completely collapsed but coplanted radishes excelled in the same soil… My question here is will the radishes “clean up” the contaminated soil for next year?
Great information Does plants pull it out of the substrate? Should you remove the plant material and compost elsewhere? Or should you compost in place or till it in, the plant material that is?? 15:10 thanks:)
Oh man that really sucks. You could actually use some charcoal and help soak that up. Otherwise lots of microbes, compost tease and diverse sources of organic material
Charles Dowding explains in his video how the term "organic" means absolutely nothing in the UK and likely about the same here in the USA. This is because of pesticide/herbicide drift and the impossibility of knowing what's in what you are buying from anyone from big box stores to small farmers.
I'm so SICK of sick compost. Sick manure. My plants all show herbicide damage. Cedar Farms compost smells horrible-compost shouldn't-and it's LOADED with trash. You spend 40 minutes sorting out trash per bag, but you can see GOBS of microplastics.
It's kind of odd that ur topic was about this today... Yesterday, I watched another gardener for the costal side of California and he had bought bags of mushroom mulch this yr, never having used it before and this very thing happened in his garden where he put that composte... He's decided to dig it out and try again rather than wait about 3 yrs....
Is it Brian from Next Level Gardening? I know he was struggling with something before Jess, but I think a little different? He thought it was a salt issue, but definitely made me curious when Jess mentioned hers
Yes, that's the one I saw yesterday.....well actually 2, one right after the other. First one he said it was the mushroom mulch and he did mention the earth being more salty there because he was close to the ocean. Second one looked like a different area but he mentioned Grazon (don't think I spelt that right), being a possible problem. They were both posted recently. What a huge disappointment it is for him to start a new garden and have so much trouble.
@@GardeningInCanada I can't hardly wait to see that video! I was emailing back and forth with SuperSod, and one of the things they recommended to do with new soil before spreading on the garden was bioassay. I thought that would require sending soil samples to a co-op extension service, but learning how to do it ourselves would be great!
I've been thinking about whether 'killer compost' is really due to pyridine herbicide or something else. You've made a good cases for it being a) something else and b) for that something being a surfactant. I have an off-the-wall suggestion - perhaps it is a fluoroquinolone antibiotic derivative. Ciprofloxacin is herbicidal & there is work being conducted to make cipro derivatives without anti-microbial activity that could be used as commercial herbicides. Cattle are fed a similar antibiotic, enrofloxacin, which can apparently metabolize to cipro in their gut, which would then wind up in the manure. Cipro can last a long time - it has a shelf life of 13 yrs. The trouble with this theory is that it doesn't seem likely that it would wind up in high enough concentrations to be a problem. Perhaps I could come up with a way to test it; I have some 'killer compost' in a bag on my back patio & a microscope in my closet. I have also been thinking about developing a rapid assay using algae (I'm too impatient for the bean bioassay). Problem: I don't have a background in microbiology; my degree is in marine biology. I bought the microscope when my daughter was young because I wanted her to become interested in science. It did not work. She scored in the 99th percentile on the ACT science section and got a scholarship to major in studio art. She has since switched majors to graphic design (got to keep the scholarship).
forgot to mention - my tomatillos were not affected plants that were affected: tomatoes, cowpeas, lady cream peas (most sensitive), scarlet runner beans, 1 nasturtium was affected but another seemed okay plants unaffected: tomatillos, arugula, lettuce, spinach, kale, squash
@@GardeningInCanada I've seen the term used in a number of blog posts & even on the website of the company that I bought the compost from (it says 'no killer compost' - & I believed them). In my case it did not exactly kill, but caused lower germination rate, slower germination, stunting & leaf curl.
How you pronounce Grazon might depend on where one lives . Danny of Deep South Homestead tends to pronounce the a the same as for example cat or pass . Most people tend to pronounce the a the same as hay or play or day. As for the o, same as on or off. This same product has different names depending if you live in North America (Grazon) or in the U. K. (Front Line) . According to what I heard different folks on different channels say , Dow Agro Science packages these aminopyralids in this fashion. Same product , different names according to where it is sold or what they use it for.
Why biochar instead of char? Since biochar is an activated substance full of life, I'm thinking straight char to grab everything (good and bad). What part of the science am I missing? Please, and thank you.
@GardeningInCanada I am having same problem so can I use activated charcoal for my contaminated soil.Can I dilute with water and spray on my raised bed soil. Thank you
@@varshasagi8911 If it's Grazon (Aminopyralids), I suggest choosing one of three options for remediation: 1) Remove all the soil within the rhizosphere; 2) Plant crops that do not fall into the "broadleaf" category; 3) Layer in copious amounts of char (not biochar) and then remove it. The next step is to make your own compost, or purchase it from a trusted source... Not big-box stores, and not (potentially) your local farmer; know your source!!! Some folks have success using specific mushroom species, but's that is beyond my research.
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This was SO requested. And I’m confident it’s because so many people are dealing with this right now. I feel terrible for her, she’s handling it pretty darn good! Check out Jess’a channel for a really chilled out homestead/garden channel ruclips.net/user/RootsandRefugeFarm
For anyone wanting to learn about the bioassay test here is the link ruclips.net/video/27qANzHkaf8/видео.html
I love Roots and Refuge! This is my third video of yours and I am just as in love with your channel now! Thank you for the amazing content 💚😊🍀
Are bio reclamation plants the same as hyperaccumulators? Is the a list published anywhere?
Also those tests are expensive. Can you test for a herbicide by planting the targeted weeds?
Also it seems that those persistent pesticides and forever chemicals are best destroyed by fire. PFAS breaks down at 1200 degrees. But is there a “safe way to burn it” so that we are not off gassing these chemicals in the burn?
If this creates an over abundance of bio bar are their perhaps volcanic plant varieties good and breaking down this carbon concentrate?
Is it me are is your screen flipping sides? Please don’t gaslight my reality is askew. 😆
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Wow, this is so informative! I learned so much, thank you!
I just want to add that the reason Jess was using bagged compost was to build her gardening space faster on their new property. She talks about soil health often and didn't seem like she wanted to import the compost in but had no choice. As a small-space patio gardener, I completely understand.
I love that you addressed this. You’re so kind!! (and intelligent)
❤️❤️ the dms flooded into me once Jess showed the first video haha
A suggestion as to "removable" biochar. We fishkeepers use activated charcoal in our fish tanks to capture and remove chemical contaminents. We use net bags. I suggest trying this in the soil. Long tubes could be sown to hold the biochar. After being in the soil 2 weeks they could easily be removed.
Oh yes! You know I never thought about that but yes totally!
I asked this very question in the comments of Jess' video.
There was no reply, but I'm very sure that's simply bcuz of how many comments for her vids.
Wouldn't the charcoal work better in this process if it were NOT inoculated charcoal?
So that the charcoal would absorb whatever is in the soil?
You mean the regular fish tank char bags? If so how much would you use per soil. I have 2 Birdie beds the 8-1 Done in a 6’X4’ and both took out my night shades and one has Cantaloupe in it but it hasn’t grown hardly at all My watermelons in the other bed are doing wonderful already got some The cantaloupes were planted the same time 2 different beds and it’s just now climbing up the cattle panel!! If it grows at all it will be fall cantaloupe at this point! Thanks for any help!!
A cheaper option might be the fine white mesh bags they sell at the dollar store for " produce bag". I bought one and have been using it to strain whey from my yogurt. Washable and reusable.
Great advice thanks for explaining the reasoning behind it. Too many RUclipsrs just regurgitate something they heard without any knowledge of the what or why . Very informative channel 👍👍
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you Ashley, I have passed this info (and video) on to our parents who have a small amount (a bag or two) of purchased soil or compost that ‘just won’t grow’ specific plants, which has confused us. We know it’s only a small amount, but I asked them to quarantine the soil as a precaution. Much appreciated! 😀
Oh that’s so interesting! so you as well
Phytoremediation.
Plant corn. When it's mature, cut it and burn it. Willows and cattails are also good for phytoremediation Helps remove the persistent herbicides.
Vermiculture can also be used to remove hazardous elements.
110% loved corn for that!
Wow David the Good also had grazon issues. He used cow manure of his garden and it killed everything. Turned out the cow ate grass sprayed with grazon. The photos are devastating. Contorted brush branches
You have helped me soooo much. Last 2 years nightshade all died...and were malformed. 😢 will do ALL OF 😊 IT!
Your work is so very informative, encouraging and downright enjoyable. I don't miss an episode! Please don't change your format, delivery and style.
I like watching her videos. Her videos are much more than gardening talk.
Yea very chill
Thanks for helping Jessica that girl loves her gardening and seems to help others ❤️
Seems like there's plenty of work without more crap like her problem with her soil.
Thanks you Lady with the green bird because it's green.
TONS of great info here!
This is one I will rewatch over and over.
Thanks!
I really appreciate that! I always worry when I do a longer video like this!
@@GardeningInCanada I enjoy longer videos. Further explanation and clarification add to the content not detract. It’s a pity we want everything in quick snippets that don’t really do much but provide entertainment but very little quality knowledge.
WOW! I didn't realize so much was involved in this topic! Thx for the info!! I make my own compost!
Glad you found value!
Congrats! After watching your most recent episode on Canadian Prepper, your episode above came up in the number one spot top left under "recommended" by RUclips! And even better, after I clicked and watched this episode of yours just 2 hours after you posted it, YT has continued to que up more of your episodes on my smart tv. It is currently on your Jan 6,2021 episode where you are knocking it dead BAM on the guy who name-called you after you questioned his ap levels of manure/compost!?!! I am loving the science, which is going over my head, but then you pull it together in layman's terms and it clicks in my head!! thanks!!
p.s. As YT continues to que your episodes on my tv, I have come over to my computer to type this comment. You are right about many YT homestead/farm/garden or prepper channels having issues with adding purchased soil or compost to an existing and in-progress mid-season growth.... If I remember correctly, 1) 'Perma Pastures Farm' just had an episode about the added "soil" killing off the potato plants in raised gardens. 2) same happened with "Deep South Homestead" when they added store- bought soil and they compared it to some that did not get the store-bought soil. PSs: Deep South ended up with ants and or termites from some mulch they brought in! Finally, I have a question that seems to be coming up often in the YT channels: Deep South addressed something called "Flash Drought" and others have same issue but no name for it. Additionally, what is the deal with intentional contrails in the sky? Is it to seed the clouds for rain? I live down in the St Croix Valley USA just one zone south of you. I will take any and every episode you make!
YT has now auto-played episode from Nov 23, 2020, with the water and the sponge!! Which demonstrates water retention in soil, but I haven't gotten to your layman's explanation yet! Gotta go pay attention to the nerdy part Lol! Thanks! As long as they keep presenting you in a chain of auto-plays on my tv, I am not going to turn it off! You have inspired me to get growing more stuff! I will keep hitting thumbs up with my tv remote:))
Glad you are enjoying so much! ❤️❤️
Ohhh they say it’s for rain but I haven’t looked into it much.
Thanks from central Texas.. I am going to bio assay each of my wicking tubs by starting both peas and beans in each bucket..
Thank you. This was very interesting, practical and informative. It’s well worth remembering that being so stuck on one way of doing things (no dig or always tilling) can limit our perspective to what is available and achievable in a situation. I practice no dig as well but I can definitely see a difference to the soil when my chooks dig it up and aerate it and incorporate the the top layer of mulch into the garden soil. Your suggestion sound great as standard practice care for the garden. Thanks
Hi Ashley,, just discovered you and new sub just now.
I'm in N.E. Oklahoma and a Master gardener and have this problem.
Picked up large quantity of manure this spring. Am adding much leaf mold to these beds now. Well see how that works out. Lot of folks having this issue.
I appreciate your content.
Hello! Welcome to the channel. I’m sure it will turn out ❤️
Sadly, I too have this problem and was looking into planting a cover crop over the winter, such as annual rye. You mention that you need to remove the biomass and treat it as biohazard reclamation - which I totally understand. However, you said to just cut it down. Is it okay to leave the roots or should you try and remove the roots as well as they would theoretically be more biohazard reclamation? Thank you for this video! I learned SO much!!
If you can remove the roots do so. If not aim for higher above ground biomass.
@@GardeningInCanada thank you for taking the time to respond!
I recently helped a friend set up a small waist high garden box because he recently bought a house and was interested in trying to grow a few greens on his deck. We only used bagged potting soil from a local nursery. I was shocked how poorly his box did considering it was brand new material that was somewhat pricey. Within a few weeks the veggie starts turned yellow though he watered religiously. We had to start adding fish fertilizer almost immediately. It goes to show you the nursery soil may not even be tested for quality control which you’d think they’d want to do to keep customers. Next time around I’ll probably bring him some of my homemade compost. At least at home I know what’s going in it.
Here's a question I've been wondering about with Jess' soil issue-
When they first got there, they were very open about what went on chemically on that property before they bought it.
The previous owners DID spray that property with chemicals, altho I do not recall the exact chemicals, and I'm too lazy to go back in the videos to research it.
However I believe one of the chemicals mentioned was glyphosate.
So my question is this-
Would the results of the glyphosate (or any other chemical) remaining in the soil be showing up in the plants now?
Here's why I'm wondering about this particular issue-
I saw in Jess' video some sections of the made beds are having worse results than others.
Isn't it totally feasible that there would have been sections on their land that had a heavier saturation of chemicals than others due to rain fall pooling & accumulating?
The topsoil they used for the hightunnels:
I do remember when they leveled the land to place their house on it, they scraped off the topsoil and saved it to later be put in the high tunnels.
Which is all good thinking when talking about rich topsoil.
However, this area where they placed their house is also one of the areas where rain run-off accumulates.
Which to me, also means chemical run-off, or a higher concentration of persistent chemicals.
And in that line of thinking, when they transfered a lot of what they thought was "good" topsoil to the area inside the high tunnels (which is where they planted a lot of the tomatoes)
perhaps this is why they are having these negative issues with the plants?
I know she added compost on top of that topsoil, so the first thought would be the compost is the problem.
I get that.
I'm not discounting that.
I'm also not discounting how the previous chemical presence could still be in their topsoil.
So, thinking about how tomatoes are planted a lot deeper than other plants, along with how tomatoes root quickly and deeply, it does make me wonder about the residual chemicals that were possibly in their topsoil...
And maybe that's the reason the more shallow rooted plants are not showing these same signs?
I guess I'm wondering this simply bcuz Jess has not brought the issue of their land having been previously chemically treated in these current soil issue videos.
Maybe I'm way off base in thinking in this direction.
I don't know.
Just a theory that's rolling around in my brain.
I think you bring up some good points. Did you share them in R&R's comment section?
@@lindap9079 yes, I did.
But there were already over 500 comments, so I'm not expecting any replies. ❤️
I believe she mentioned that others that bought compost from this company were having the same problem.
So regular glyphosate likely won’t cause the issue mostly because it’s degraded really quickly. But if the land was hay field for example they aren’t using glyphosate. They are using something more persistent.
@@susanchapman4140
Yes, I heard that too.
And I'm definitely not discounting that fact.
I'm also trying to encompass all the other preexisting factors too.
Just tossing ALL the factors into the pot!
It's all a guessing game as to where all the problems are coming from.
Unless Jess had the soil on the farm tested BEFORE she brought anything new onto the property.
Maybe the preexisting sprayed chemicals have nothing to do with the current issues?
Maybe the combo of the preexisting AND whatever chemicals are in the new compost are reacting?
Maybe that's a long-shot!?
Who knows...
Of course I absolutely love that Jess is focusing on the fix!
I am a strong advocate of mushroom mycelium, and use it in my own yard.
All that said...
I still wonder about the residual, preexisting chemicals in the soil, and just what level of degradation are they at?
As well as - are they having ANY effect on the food outcome?
I can't help it.
I just can't shake that part of it!
Inquiring Minds want to know!
Not that knowing these things would change the fixing of the soil...
Would it?
I just don't know.
So many questions!!
I’m here from Canadian Prepper. I love your content and knowledge. Liked and subbed.
Hey! Welcome to the channel ❤️
I had that problem one year. The only thing I did differently that year was using bagged composted manure.
I didn't add compost other than what I produce at home but last year my tomatoes grew great then wilted and died, they are better this year but some are wilting now and I believe it is from the straw I put on the beds last year. I removed the straw from the tomato area and planted tomatoes elsewhere but the only crops it seems to have harmed are the tomatoes and cucumbers. I am doing no till but not no dig so at end of season I will probably take out my tiller again. Thanks for the info, I am going to try and see what I can do for this area of my garden.
oh man that sucks
had this happen to me last growing season , i put 7 18' trailer loads of horse manure on my garden and was giddy about the garden season, well it was a disaster , 50 tomoto plants not one tomoto curled leaves on plants that survived , the good news is this year they look great ...
Did you do anything to the soil to get rid of damage r just left the soil as it is and recovered by itself.
Thanks.
@@varshasagi8911 nope , think that time snow and rain must of leached it out thankfully, still did not get as many tomato's as i should of ...
I had no idea about boron! Thank you for expanding my world. 😃
Absolutely anytime! I have my 17 essential plant nutrients play list of you want to check out some other bizarre nutrients
@@GardeningInCanada Absolutely! It's time for a well needed marathon.
So I have an idea I would love covered...if possible. How to control house flies, but keep your army flies alive in the compost bin? Those horrible house flies killed one of my 🐰... I have invested in the mosquito bites product but wonder if I'm killing other soil critters as I add it to my raised beds, lawn, and planters...?
Great information 👍 Thank you for all the productive solutions.💚🍀😊
You are so welcome!
Again, learned so much…and I am right now doing a litmus test with some beans for my new bed. Blessings!
Wonderful!
Your advice to her is very informative.
❤️❤️❤️
Jess's first poison soil video: ruclips.net/video/-_kpvbGVQaQ/видео.html
Jess's second poison soil video: ruclips.net/video/w8oL1E-JP1s/видео.html
Thank you!
Great information I was thinking a cover crop like oats or rye but dilution is the solution. Haven't thought of that
Thanks for this video. I think I got a bag of contaminated composted manure. 5 tomato plants have curled down leaves and they are distorted, they were the last plants in. I ran out of my own compost and only needed a little to finish the spring garden work. Looks like those plants are destined to get pulled real soon. That or I will leave the plants in it, and let the weeds take over to suck the poison out, then dispose of them. For me, its a minor problem. I do mainly sip container gardening and so the tainted soil is in 5 five gallon buckets. I have 16 other tomato plants. The real problem is new gardeners who may put this garbage in, and leave them thinking they are no good at gardening and give up.
I am a new gardener this year (West Tx, zone 8a), and while my garden is doing well, I also planted some young crepe myrtle trees in March, 2022 to improve the property. I have one Natchez and two Pink Muskogees. The two Muskogees r planted on the south side of the house about 25 ft apart. One is doing fantastic, and one has dropped all it’s leaves and is dying. I have planted, watered and fertilized them the same way, and they both get the same amt of sun/day. The soil around the one that is dying tested very alkaline, then we got rain which then showed normal pH lvls. I’m now thinking the soil could be contaminated bc my hubby pointed out that even our grass has nvr grown well in that spot. I was so discouraged that I almost gave up bc the trees were not cheap and losing it just hurts my heart. So I’m researching what I can do and that led to this video. Ur so right that new gardeners may just give up thinking they have a black thumb. I know I don’t bc I’ve been successful in growing many things thus far including my other crepe myrtle trees, but man, it can suck the spirit right out of u when u lose something u’ve put ur whole heart and soul into! If u have any advice u think could help me and want to share, I’d appreciate any feedback. Ty!
Man that really sucks!
@@GardeningInCanada It does suck because it took out all the beefsteak tomatoes. But I have five Ace55, five Edox, and six Black Brandywine plants growing like crazy. I would have been pissed to no end if it happened to the Black Brandywine.
I knew it was a possibility and I have been working to be as self sufficient as possible. I just didnt have enough compost or leaf mold, probably because I expanded my garden again this year, the final expansion, no more room. Wellllll, maybe there is room for some potatoes in 10 or 15 gallon grow bags in front of my garage (extra large garden storage with no room for cars). I added 15 new five gallon sips, ten seven gallon grow bags, and two 4' kiddie pool beds.
Good thing I had already expanded my leaf mold bins last fall (two 4.5'x4.5'x4.5' and one 3'x3' round one that have been topped off as they shrank to many times to count) and I might add a third square one this fall. I went crazy gathering leaves in the fall getting 50 stuffed contractor bags full of them, so next spring I might be able to avoid buying any compost.
Im looking at it as a learning experience, and a chance to take action to eliminate one expense each year that I likely wouldnt if this never happened.
I know that Greg Stamets has a video where he shows that he used mushrooms to clear up a site of toxins. He showed that the standard ways of trying to make the soil alive was done by 2 plots from vendors and the mushroom one came alive slowly and then plants grew and birds, etc back. Just a thought.
Yea! Very popular method
Paul stamets
I feel like I should be taking notes! Thank you for this.
You got this!
Really like the pretest your compost idea.
❤️❤️❤️ I am going to release a How to video on this this week
That was greatly informative! Any chance you could one day make a video like this about lead contaminated soil? Lots of information on uptake by different plants, but rarely explained well for laypeople. Also, would love to hear your input on organic matter / pH / amendments such as biochar making any difference. We found out a while ago that our orchard is a contaminated site due to centuries old lead mining upstream of a river that used to flood the garden. Was planning on creating a vegetable garden but am sticking to fruit trees and shrubs for the while being because of this. Thanks for all that you do ❤️
That’s a good one! I know even old homes have used lead paint in the past and it gets folks nervous
I have these same questions for my property which is located near a small, but heavily traveled ranch road, and rain water run-off flows down into my yard.
This just makes me think the road way contaminates from cars have accumulated over the years where the water ends up.
I'm currently trying to grow sunflowers to help clean up the soil in the few sunny places.
I also have another issue next to this same area with an invasive plant called ligustrum.
When I moved here 23 years ago there wasn't any ligustrum.
This one area, about 100 feet by 30 feet, was a wild area, lots of brush, we couldn't even walk thru it. I was too busy to deal with it, and it was fine to let it stay wild.
Fast forward 23 years and it's now covered in ligustrum.
The problem is nothing else is growing there.
And I mean NOTHING.
We can walk thru that area with no problem, even during the most prolific growong months of the year.
Zero weeds.
Zero vines.
The soil between the ligustrum bushes is completely bare.
Just the way the ligustrum likes it!
I've thrown seeds out there, none have taken. I've even planted a few ground covers, but nothing survives.
Recently I started researching ligustrum.
Boy oh Boy!
I should have paid more attention to the changes in that area from the beginning!
But one interesting thing I learned is that the chemical that ligustrum produces in its leaves is glyphosate.
(none of the other parts of the plant have been studied for this that I can find)
Of course this is the perfect thing to create it's allopathic environment!
And it's working beautifully for the ligustrum!
Now, even the older trees in the ligustrum section look to be succumbing to the ligustrum allopathic environment.
Even a Live Oak, which is approx 100 years old, is showing signs of suffering.
I have several other older Live Oaks on my property which are doing beautifully, but they are more than 50 away.
My point is I've now got to cut out the ligustrum - that's clear!
But how to help clean up the soil in this 100x30 foot area as soon as possible so I can save the tree is my big question.
There's not a lot of sun.
Altho there will be more when the ligustrum is all gone.
At that point I'm guessing part sun, so I could get some spindly sunflowers going over there, but not many...
I also want to use mushrooms to help clean the soil, but I'm not sure which kind to aim for keeping in mind I want the mushrooms to work along side of the Oak tree, not against it.
Any suggestions or ideas for this project is most appreciated!!
I had no clue this kind of stuff takes place. Good to know.
Yea!
For removable biochar option - what about putting it inside burlap bags (permeable, but take a long time to decompose) and temporarily burying them?
Oh yea! That’s totally doable
Thank you for sharing all these information, you are so knowledgeable 👍
New subscriber here!
Thanks for the sub!
You’re welcome, you deserve more subscribers, you explain things so well 😊 have a great week ahead😊
So glad I found you...
I’m glad as well!
That's exactly what I was thinking was a possibility that the speading up of the process could be the cause and not necessarily a herbicide...or even possibly it is but with a speeded up process something might not be broken down.
Yea it could be anything but the solution to pollution in soil is sometimes dilution and that’s even more true if it’s micronutrients
THANK YOU ASHLEY!!! GREAT JOB!!!
Glad you enjoyed! Sounds like she has it cased though
Excellent video - thank you!
Anytime!
Very helpful!
Hay love your show with Canadian prepar.
Glad you enjoyed!
Just happened to my friends garden. She used her own well rotted horse manure, so were thinking aminopyralid too. Matches all the other pictures I found online.
Wow very unfortunate
Thank you very much for this video. What are your recommendations when dealing with "for ever chemicals" (PFAS and the likes)?
The big unanswered question is whether or not food grown in contaminated soil is safe to eat, or put another way are plant growth regulator chemicals harmful to humans. We already know glyphosate is.
Just came across a research paper that said salicylic acid, particularly seed priming w/ SA, can confer resistance to clopyralid. Article by Ghahremani et al. 2022 'Salicylic acid alleviates oxidative stress and lipid peroxidation caused by clopyralid herbicide in Indian mustard plants'. So give the plants 2 aspirin & check on them in the morning? I think feeding antioxidants might help also. I had a purple potato that survived, but a red & white did not. Purple potatoes are full of antioxidant anthocyanins.
What are your thought on using a triple mix? I added it to my garden this year, I have some tomatoes with some leaf curl but are producing tomatoes. Plants look healthy other thanbsome curled leaves.
Thanks
Oh no really! I have some/used it and didn’t notice anything but that does have compost so makes snese
With all the ppl in several countries having issues with contaminated compost/soil, it’s almost like someone doesn’t want ppl to be able to grow their own food. 🤔
Haha anything is possible 😅
Fantastic, informative video!
found out that the straw I bought at Tractor Supply from Shadlee has 2,4-D on it! is it the same as the Grazon? I'm not sure how to proceed yet. Straw was put on last year and a little this year that was left over.
By chance did you do an episode on Canadian Prepper? Where you advised setting up an indoor growing station?
Yup!
Shocking find in my raised veggie beds, cat feces……….please advise what to do before planting, thanks Kathy
Great video and scary as to how many things can be wrong with soil and ompost. Would you do a video on testing soil? I will be rehabilitating a garden after it was turned into a construction site and I could use some wisdom in selecting top soil that will be used by the landscaping company. I live in the Montreal area so your canadian perspective is precipis to me. Tanks so much.
I can absolutely do that!
@@GardeningInCanada Can you also put in more details. For example, if you planted a tomato or a bean or a pea plant, what would you see if it were a herbicide vs. some mineral imbalance/lack of nutrient vs. surfactants.
My usual test is.. control and experiment during the winter when I have my seedlings. Anything looks weird and the stuff is quarantined and used for flowers and things like that. (at least that's my proposed plan. I haven't come across anything. Maybe because I use soil and I try to keep my compost in house as much as possible.)
Oh yea!
I’ve just discovered that my outdoor taps are all on the same treatment/softener well system as indoors. Would this affect my garden beds? My tomatoes are looking quite puny in the new raised beds but not in some ratty sandy beds? First time garden and never heard of pre testing compost
Yes it can
Yeah unfortunately I can. The issue is that it may be introducing calcium carbonate. And ultimately calcium carbonate will change the pH. However there are some things you can do to adjust it and keep it in balance. I can do a video on this for you!
Watch her last couple of videos. The problem with testing is it’s cheaper if you know what to test for. At least the company who provided the soil is helping to repair the problem.
Yes very true
Jess took a university course I think it was permaculture last winter. When she added soil in Arkansas they called it super soil. The soil they found at the new farm was fine in the garden but was toxic inside. I wonder if after passing through an animal then hay or straw and then into a vegetable if a metabolite needs to be tested. All this should have been done before the herbicide was allowed on the market. I bet humans weren’t tested on the side effects.
Oh interesting!
I feed my soil microbes with molasses tea, yeast tea, smelly fish emulsion, kelp tea, just a little. It’s cheap, it goes a long way. When they’ve done their work, the soil smells good enough to eat.
That’s awesome
@@GardeningInCanada Your video talk was awesome. Loved it.
sweet little bird..thanks for info
Miss Ella
Hi, my first thought was that it was Juglone mulch since that area is full of nut trees BUT she had a very plentiful potato harvest as well.
But she did only use the compost in the high tunnel...
I Still think it may be juglone.
Ashley, maybe you could pin links to your videos where you describe how to test new soils and composts before putting them in the garden or pots?
Yea! Absolutely
Yea I really need to watch more of your videos. It would be nice
Ke Le you posted these for me somewhere in the comments right? I completely forgot sorry
@@GardeningInCanada Yes, but I will do it again with more links. Have you heard from Jess? I would think she'd have contacted you to thank you for your support.
Keep up the good work
Thank you
very informative. thanks.New subscriber
Hello! Welcome to the channel
It is 24D, and it is on the wind as well. Lost all tomatoes, beans last year. Once you see "kinky leaf" you will notice it everywhere. Most all gardeners have this, some plants mildly effected and still grow fruits. I still believe in the biochar.
11:40 Instead of pitchforking and overturning, couldn't they also just use a digging fork or broadfork, to lift the soil and introduce aeration this way? In this method, the soil is not overturned, it is just essentially 'heaved'/levered up and then the fork is brought back to vertical or close to, before being lifted out and placed on next section.
They definitely could. The only issue is you’re obviously not introducing as much oxygen. So the process may take a little bit longer is the issue. But the most important thing is regardless of which method who choose you’re comfortable with it. So if you’re uncomfortable at tele then do not tell and use the broad fork
thanks for this great soil info!
Absolutely anytime hope you enjoyed
Are some commercial bagged compost better than others for quality control, got a nut sedge grass infestation from one batch,
How concerned should we be about Grazon? Jess’ video made me want to move far North where nobody uses round up or Grazon, if there is such a place.
The compost I had issues with was the city compost... So yea use Saskatoons stuff with caution
Wow! This is super interesting. One more thing for us to worry about. Geez, talk about heartbreaking. Are there pesticides which the patent doesn’t allow for outside testing for it (so it wouldn’t pop up in a soil test)? The same way (as ridiculous as it is) some of our genes are patented by big pharma so testing and research cannot be conducted on them.
No it should be showing if it’s in a qty great enough to cause this damage. And the only reason I know that is because I used to take plant biomass samples for pesticide testing to have them pass agriculture agri foods Canada requirements. You have to show what exactly the pesticide is doing in the trophic systems at certain dates.
Can you do a microbial on specialty plants like indica and sativa??
Yup!
I compost using my chicken manure with the coop straw from cal ranch, didnt think the straw had herbicide in it, hopefully it doesn't, now im cautious
My beans completely collapsed but coplanted radishes excelled in the same soil…
My question here is will the radishes “clean up” the contaminated soil for next year?
Oh no, I didn’t watch her latest video! I did not know that happened to her!
Yeah it really sucks!?
I live by Jess in SC. I don't know why she didn't go to Humble Acres Organic. It's pricey but you get what you pay for.
Hi Ashley. Would sunflowers as a cover crop help pull the toxins out?
YES! one of the best
Great information
Does plants pull it out of the substrate? Should you remove the plant material and compost elsewhere?
Or should you compost in place or till it in, the plant material that is??
15:10 thanks:)
So it pulls it out and then you should chuck it lol. Don’t put it anywhere near an area you intend too plant
@@GardeningInCanada great information I asked that then you answered in the video
Great job :) much love xoxox
i had car oil thrown put near my blueberry bush/ garden any thing i can do
Oh man that really sucks. You could actually use some charcoal and help soak that up. Otherwise lots of microbes, compost tease and diverse sources of organic material
@@GardeningInCanada thanks
Check out growing oyster mushrooms in that spot. Don't eat the mushrooms though
What if you just added beneficial bacteria to her soil? Would that work to get the soil going so to say?
Yea! I would load up on microbes and things of that nature
If your hay has good looking weeds so you should be ok?? Thats my one intake i worry about
That’s technically a low key bioassays test so yup!
@@GardeningInCanada thanks for the confirmation
I live in Georgia and my soil is 💯 sand. What types of additives can I use to improve my soil. Thankyou
Organics, organics and more organics.
Yes another video I love it
Thank you so much ❤️
Charles Dowding explains in his video how the term "organic" means absolutely nothing in the UK and likely about the same here in the USA. This is because of pesticide/herbicide drift and the impossibility of knowing what's in what you are buying from anyone from big box stores to small farmers.
I'm so disappointed for Jess! This is terrifying
It’s a gardeners nightmare
I'm so SICK of sick compost. Sick manure. My plants all show herbicide damage. Cedar Farms compost smells horrible-compost shouldn't-and it's LOADED with trash.
You spend 40 minutes sorting out trash per bag, but you can see GOBS of microplastics.
I live by Jess in South Carolina. I'd really like to know where she got this from. Did she ever spill the beans, so to speak?
It's kind of odd that ur topic was about this today...
Yesterday, I watched another gardener for the costal side of California and he had bought bags of mushroom mulch this yr, never having used it before and this very thing happened in his garden where he put that composte...
He's decided to dig it out and try again rather than wait about 3 yrs....
Oh man! Another one?! This so shocking
Is it Brian from Next Level Gardening? I know he was struggling with something before Jess, but I think a little different? He thought it was a salt issue, but definitely made me curious when Jess mentioned hers
Yes, that's the one I saw yesterday.....well actually 2, one right after the other. First one he said it was the mushroom mulch and he did mention the earth being more salty there because he was close to the ocean.
Second one looked like a different area but he mentioned Grazon (don't think I spelt that right), being a possible problem.
They were both posted recently.
What a huge disappointment it is for him to start a new garden and have so much trouble.
That is very interesting!
Why did he think it was salt? If you find the video send it my way. I love stuff like this
There are places that sell organic compost if this helps.
Yea I’m pretty certain Jess used organic compost it’s just a compounded effect of something causing the issue
Is there a testing site u recommend for testing soil for pesticides & everything else like an all in one testing company?
I would even just do your own bioassays test. I’ll show you how, I’ll do that for Wednesdays vid
@@GardeningInCanada I can't hardly wait to see that video! I was emailing back and forth with SuperSod, and one of the things they recommended to do with new soil before spreading on the garden was bioassay. I thought that would require sending soil samples to a co-op extension service, but learning how to do it ourselves would be great!
Oh no! You can do it on your own
@@GardeningInCanada that would be wonderful thank you! Can’t wait to see it!
I've been thinking about whether 'killer compost' is really due to pyridine herbicide or something else. You've made a good cases for it being a) something else and b) for that something being a surfactant. I have an off-the-wall suggestion - perhaps it is a fluoroquinolone antibiotic derivative. Ciprofloxacin is herbicidal & there is work being conducted to make cipro derivatives without anti-microbial activity that could be used as commercial herbicides. Cattle are fed a similar antibiotic, enrofloxacin, which can apparently metabolize to cipro in their gut, which would then wind up in the manure. Cipro can last a long time - it has a shelf life of 13 yrs. The trouble with this theory is that it doesn't seem likely that it would wind up in high enough concentrations to be a problem.
Perhaps I could come up with a way to test it; I have some 'killer compost' in a bag on my back patio & a microscope in my closet. I have also been thinking about developing a rapid assay using algae (I'm too impatient for the bean bioassay).
Problem: I don't have a background in microbiology; my degree is in marine biology. I bought the microscope when my daughter was young because I wanted her to become interested in science. It did not work. She scored in the 99th percentile on the ACT science section and got a scholarship to major in studio art. She has since switched majors to graphic design (got to keep the scholarship).
i like how you call it killer compost haha
forgot to mention - my tomatillos were not affected
plants that were affected: tomatoes, cowpeas, lady cream peas (most sensitive), scarlet runner beans, 1 nasturtium was affected but another seemed okay
plants unaffected: tomatillos, arugula, lettuce, spinach, kale, squash
@@GardeningInCanada I've seen the term used in a number of blog posts & even on the website of the company that I bought the compost from (it says 'no killer compost' - & I believed them). In my case it did not exactly kill, but caused lower germination rate, slower germination, stunting & leaf curl.
@@rhyothemisprinceps1617 very interesting!
Only problem with tilling it in the ground or the root not nematodes
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Other people who bought this soil had the same issue as Jesse.
How you pronounce Grazon might depend on where one lives . Danny of Deep South Homestead tends to pronounce the a the same as for example cat or pass . Most people tend to pronounce the a the same as hay or play or day. As for the o, same as on or off.
This same product has different names depending if you live in North America (Grazon) or in the U. K. (Front Line) . According to what I heard different folks on different channels say , Dow Agro Science packages these aminopyralids in this fashion. Same product ,
different names according to where it is sold or what they use it for.
I paid almost $50 for a pick up truck load of a farmer's compost. CONTAMINATED! Turns out that his compost was mostly sand and black dye. TERRIBLE!
How can I fix my soil from nematodes
Why biochar instead of char? Since biochar is an activated substance full of life, I'm thinking straight char to grab everything (good and bad). What part of the science am I missing? Please, and thank you.
No you could do charcoal as well. Just as long as it’s not charged
@GardeningInCanada I am having same problem so can I use activated charcoal for my contaminated soil.Can I dilute with water and spray on my raised bed soil.
Thank you
@@varshasagi8911 If it's Grazon (Aminopyralids), I suggest choosing one of three options for remediation: 1) Remove all the soil within the rhizosphere; 2) Plant crops that do not fall into the "broadleaf" category; 3) Layer in copious amounts of char (not biochar) and then remove it.
The next step is to make your own compost, or purchase it from a trusted source... Not big-box stores, and not (potentially) your local farmer; know your source!!!
Some folks have success using specific mushroom species, but's that is beyond my research.
Why could not we use fungi to help break down these herbicide or nutrient problems
The same soil was used outside without the same problems.
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