I know this is an old video but I wanted to say thanks Elvis. I am really new to reloading, and am about to do my first 1000 rounds. I wanted to try something exactly like this before I crank them out. On a side note - those roosters in the background make it sound like you live in Jurassic Park!
I have loaded and shot 20 thousand + 9mm in my Ruger P89dc. I use 124gr Lazer Cast lead and 4.5gr of Tite Group. Never any pressure issues and they are extremely accurate. 6-8in. steel at 50yrd all day long!🤠👍
Just a caveat to Elvis and other fellow Reloaders. When Using the Lee micro adjustable charge bar, I've gotten very inconsistent powder drops with low charges(less than 4 grains) of Titegroup. Good test Elvis. Titegroup, Solo1000, Clays and Universal are my favorite 9mm pistol powders. Clean burning. Clays and Titegroup are very economical.
Hey Elvis! I love these videos! Titegroup has been my go to for all of my hand gun calibers for a while now. I like longshot for +p and magnum. But that universal has peaked my interest. awesome video as always. Great shooting my friend. Can't wait for more
Nice shooting elvis. Good enough for head shots on noisy roosters.... I've been using Universal powder for years in my 40 and 45. Stuff burns clean and shoots great. Meters just fine through my powder measure too. Can't really complain.
Elvis thanks for sharing this video! You covered a lot of amazing information👍 I'm new to reloading and just recently started casting my own bullets and powdercoating. I was told by an older gentleman with 40years of experience in loading ammo to try the titegroup powder. I'm glad you made a video shooting with titegroup and sharing your powder grains and COL 👌 from seeing your amazing results I will now feel confident in loading my own ammo with the titegroup. Keep up the great videos your awesome! I'm Also looking forward to seeing more video progress on your AK reloading ammo
Yep ... Thanks larry559... Some of these loads with titegroup you see here are used in competition ... Be confident for sure... The only wild card is can we shoot straight... : )
Nice shooting Elvis, I believe that any-one of those load combinations will pass as accuracy loadings. They will set in "X" ring accuracy @25 yards which is two inches, So Now you know, It's on you and the Marksmanship, Not the gun, not the loading, Not the bullet. you have set up a foundation to build on or improve on. Good Shoot'en Buddy. (I wish we had a Piggly Wiggly up here in the North). I could use one of those White salted smoked hams this winter. Mummmm. Dave.
yeah... Kinda hate not having any good excuses! That kinda Bums me.. : ) I will take the best of these to some further distances, Maybe by then i'll figure out a good excuse if something goes bad! : ) I don't really know of a Piggly Wiggly close by here... not to far away though... i believe Ingles or BiLo has them though... I'll see if I can find one of those White salted smoked hams....
Well. In the way of accuracy, sight radius has a lot to do with it, The closer the sights are together the more the error in alignment is amplified, Thus placing the shot outside the aiming area. (That Blurr of the target you see in the distance) Longer Barrels shoot mainly with more accuracy because of less error in lining them up and being able to hold them in alignment with each other. So don't kick yourself as it is difficult to do repeatably, That was Fine shoot'en for 12 1/2 Yards. Here is another crazy thing, because of fitting some pistols are good 25-yard guns, However, the accuracy falls apart at 50-yards, I have done ransom rests tests on 1911's and see this happen. I believe it to be fitting at the barrel and barrel bushing fitting to the pistol. anyway, Looks like you are on a good quest. Btw, I would be willing to Pay for the Ham and shipping. Hehehe.. Those have a unique flavor, unlike any other ham. It's a good substitute for those basketball Yankie hams we have here. Dave.
Thor's Axe777 well said dude, well said spot on as usual. As for hams if you have any Amish communities near you, you might want to take a trip out to buy some ham. I buy all my hams from the Amish and man they are amazing at curing and smoking ham and other meats.
Well, sorta true...at close ranges with pistols. There's a couple of things. People are moving more and more to carbines, and so, careful load development is relevant. That's why this video is important... At 1.125 COAL, and a 124-125 grain FMJ or LRN, this is getting into a compressed load with Universal (note that at that COAL the bullet won't fit into some magazines). With a plain Jane 9mm carbine, and 4.3 grains of Universal, that puts you into the 1350-1380 ft/sec range with WSPs (actual and Quickload predicted). So, yes...at 25-75 yards an accuracy load does make sense...a lot. You can go from .5 inch groups close in this video up to 4"-6" groups down "there" at my bench with a 995ts if you don't pay attention to the load development. And, yes, Quickload shows that Universal has higher Ballistic Efficiency, as compared to Unique or Titegroup when you match for pressure and ft/sec MV. Now, as you go to 100 yards and perhaps 250, and if you're a Ninja with a scope, all hell breaks loose because the bullet becomes unstable and drops below hypersonic. It then gets comical in terms of a 9mm POI, relative to a good .22 and a 26" barrel. So, yes...tighter groups are better with a 9. There comes a point in this game, however, when you switch over to a 150 grain FMBT from PPU stuffed in a 7.62x39 FC case at 2.200 stacked in a SKS with 21 grains of N120.
Thoroughly enjoying it Elvis, great to see such wonderful results especially with the Universal. Glad it turned out the way it did. Will be very interested in 38 and 45 results when you get there. Keep up the great experimenting, you have a right to be pleased and happy.
Man... I just want to say thank you for providing the COAL. I made somewhere around 3k bullets this Christmas and started trying to make a dummy fit. Kept having chambering issues even with a properly set factory crimp. The first groove (raised) always catches when chambering, and I could never get a proper taper crimp with the factory crimp die. The 1.125" COAL generally puts the case mouth between the first and second raised grooves and allows for a smooth transitional crimp. I was getting so frustrated. I started off with 9mm years ago, cast a ton of 45ACP bullets and knew how to load the same round nose Lee profile. Thanks Elvis! I've been using your quick powdercoat method for a while now, and now you saved my bacon (maybe). I've never loaded 9mm so short (usually 1.135 - 1.145" in 115gr RN), so I'll need to be careful on loads.
Thanks for taking the time to comment 4thaggie.. The 1.135 works too. I find the 1.145 a little to close to make inconsistent mistakes but do feed in most my guns. The 1.125 seems to be the most reliable ... you can always adjust a little for accuracy if needed. I use just enough crimp to return the flaired case mouth to normal. No taper at all.. happy shooting to ya!!!
Elvis, I really enjoyed this video. 1st time on your channel brother. I've been reloading for little over a year now. Mainly 9mm luger using Titegroup (4.1 - 4.3 gr.) and just started reloading .45 ACP. using CFE-Pistol (6.1 - 6.3 gr) . I recently stocked up on some Everglades 9mm JHP 115gr bullets and some 9mm 115gr and .45 ACP 230gr. copper plated RN bullets from Gluten Free Ammo. Going to start reloading the 9mm JHP rounds this week. I mainly use two 9's for target shooting, Walther PPQ M-2 and a Canik TP9-SFx. My .45 target pistol is Walther PPQ 45 auto.Really like your video and you got a new Subscriber!! BTY... Damn good shooting!! Thanks
I have that same mold except with standard lube grooves. Not only does mine drop heavy too but after powder coating I have to seat them deep because of the Ogive and powder coat to keep them out of the lands and feed properly. By the way good shooting!
With the availability of components being what they are today, I was forced to do the same thing with Hercules Reddot. I got my data from Lyman 45th edition. Groups were no where as tight but found that from 3.5 grains to 4 9 grains, those loaded at 4.5 grains were the most accurate out of my Security 9.
I recently bought a 9mm sig sauer and I'm new to reloading. That's some nice shooting by the way, but I wad wondering where you got the load data that helped you get to your new load. It's hard to find any particular size,weight, types of components to build a round. I would be happy with titegroup loD data for a 9mm
Impressive shooting and exploring of the Universal powder. I liked the results. Can you tell me, what type primer did you use, regular or magnum? Also, what brand bullets? Thx.
I’ve been a big fan on tite group for years. I even use it in my 10mm auto and .38spc loads. Accurate and I love how a little goes a long way... great video!
Avid Water fowler Hello there... I’m a beginner, made my first successful 500 rounds of 9mm of CFE. But went out and bought 5 pounds of Titegroup. I pay very close attention to my powder fill on when I get to the bullet seating stage. Pretty noticeable with the CFE cause I load 5.1 grains. Will I be able to see my charge ok with the Titegroup? Think I’ll be using around 20% less
@@damon323 When you load in batches with a single press, once you have a batch filed with a compact powder like tightgroup, say a batch of 100, just shine a penlight on all the cartridges at once. Any that don't have the powder loaded to the same level will stand out. It is an easy, good double check on the powder charges for safety. It works good as a check on hard to see light and/or dense charges.
Yes Elvis I have a question first of all your videos are awesome so my question is I have the same Lee mold to cast my 9 mm with after I cast them I’d like to size them then I would like to powder coat them and size them again but do I still need to put the lubricant the Alox on it like they say because they’re a tumble lube design bullet please let me know how you would do it
I might have missed it...were these sized to .356? Great shooting! I haven't tried Universal yet, since it's very similar to Unique, which I've got a bunch of. I'll have to pick some up sometime and give it a shot. EDIT: nevermind...you said they were .356 in another comment.
Nice save on the edit.. : ) I should learn by now not to leave info like that out... You'll probably find that universal shoots quite a bit cleaner if thats of interest.. Those Hangfire vids are crazy good!
Nice ! In my mind: Tight Group is Hodgdons competition for Bullseye by Aliant. Universal is Hodgdons competition for Unique powder by Aliant. Hodgdon is more available in my area, Cabbalas is local. Aliant seems to be in short supply but they will ship it to the local store for free for pick-up. I think you need to shoot your Rooster for making a ruckus during filming.
Nice shooting Elvies! You have improved your testing techniques - that I am happy about. I was bashing you about your "thumb size" groups measurements but no more. Respect brother :)
Hey Dima Prok... Thanks for your input... I thought our thumbs were all the same size!! : ) Never hurts for us to step up the game and do better.... I am having fun for sure with this testing!
Nice flying ham hock's. Universal and 231 have been my go to powders for all my standard velocity rounds. 296 and 2400 for my magnum rounds. I went through a period of using the No. 2-9 for my handgun rounds. They gave me a deal on it back in 1998 so I bought a shit load of it. Anyway I'm liking the targets. I think I'm going to have to buy a few hundred of them. Listening to the roosters in the background is kinda soothing. The wife won't have them again. She was attacked by one when she had chickens. I wish I could have seen that.😀 Thanks for another great video. Happy shooting.
Thanks again... Yeah being attacked by chickens can make ya loose all your cool points! : ) Sounds like some good powders there ... can't go wrong at all !
I haven't loaded9mm in a few months though, but iirc tightgroup isn't either the best or worst at weighing. I really prefer easy weighing powder, so many powders (flake) can be frustrating in pistol ammo.
I find that Universal offers lower pressures and good accuracy. It is not the most accurate compared to other powders I have used but the lower pressure offers up lower re-coil and comfort. Also, Universal has load data for most pistol calibers. It is a very good powder.
I absolutely enjoy these kind of videos Elvis. Gives me an idea of how other powders perform, now I'm interested in universal powder. I will be curious how it works for 38 and 357. I mainly use Winchester autocomp for a 9mm, but will use it in 38spl. I use 2400 for 357 magnum. Looking forward to the next video
I just bought an aftermarket barrel for my (new to me) gen 3 G22 .40 SW... It was inspired by Fortune cookie's Glock barrel video. I have other Glocks in 40 and haven't had any issues but want to be on the safe side with this new range toy. Did I waste my money?
no I don't think you wasted your money at all Keith.. Personally i wouldn't have spent no more than I had too. I would be glad to have barrels of different kinds just for testing! : ) Really the bottom line is we don't want the brass to get messed up.. Maybe the 40 is most likely to do this? Maybe it's just really hot loads? I see a little bit of the glock smile but not that often and never from my own brass. One advantage you have now is to shoot groups with each barrel to see if one has an advantage over the other .... Happy Shooten!
elvis - might fine shooting with some mighty fine and consistent reloads...!! I am running low on TiteGroup powder - time to reorder another 8 pounds...Have a great day..! FC Steve
Great work and I think your testing is very useful and helpful for us out in the reloading world. Would you think about taking the 2 most accurate loads from each powder and shoot at 25 yards to narrow the choice down. Kinda the way I run tests, always trying to take out the "human" element of each grouping. Cheers from Canada
Yep... That's my thinking too. I plan on it. The human element is the biggest one for me to consider. Sometimes we feel good about our shots and sometime we know we screwed a few up.. I felt about 95 Percent.. This percent will decrease the further out I go.. Stay tuned! : )
Have been told not to use titegroup for pc bullet because the chemicals in titegroup will deteriorate the coating do you have anything to say about this topic.
Great shooting do better than I do lol I like the titegroup and the universal today I went to the range and did good for my 9mm lee cast 120gr with titegroup 3.9 did very good and for my 38 special is universal today I didn’t save the targets to do a video on have a wonderful day
the only powder i could find, and the sales guy at turners outdoorsman said it was a good powder for my 9mm. but being a newbie, i been hearing alot of different comments and videos.and no data for this.. kinda scared to try it for my 9mm. help..
Full.Lead.Taco yep I think I can take my pick based on the velocity I want..I shot the 3.9 gr at 1060 fps.. this gives me the range I want..I think I'll stick with that...
elvis ammo it’s a good year so far except for the cold weather. Was -20 F in my garage when I needed to do some reloading. Took forever to warm it up. I’m going to have to move some place warm and has more freedom.
My first thought was "man that guy can really shoot".....nice shooting sir. Your videos are some of the best classroom sessions I have experienced. I know you have to put a bunch of effort and personal time to make these so please accept my (our) thanks and gratitude. I do have a question about chronos: do you have a favorite, what attributes are important and perhaps lessons learned. Might be a subject for a video? Thanks
The problem is that there is no guide for a 16" inch barrel .. the data that they are providing most of the time is out of a 4" barrel . I am using We think that even Dirty Harry himself possibly used Vihtavuori N350 in his famous .44 Rem Mag, when looking at his infallible shooting accuracy! Vihtavuori N350 is the slowest in the N300 series of handgun powders. It is ideal for very heavy loadings and top velocities and energies for a broad range of pistol and revolver cartridges. The grain size (1,0 mm length and 0,8 mm diameter) is exactly the same than N320, N330 and N340; it is the porosity of the powder that makes all the difference in burning characteristics. N350 is very w
Good info, the testing can some times lead to more questions than answers ! All those combo's seem to have good results with a stand alone shooting, but it's always fun to work up loads even if it's just for saving powder :-) Looking forward to the AK stuff.
Ive reloaded for the Glock 17 with different barrels from 90gr to 147gr- plated/h.p./fmj.. now im getting supplies to cast bullets with a .358 mold 125gr -T.C. and resize to .356 . ive used 3n37 powder as my standard.Yet I do have titegroup, but im a alttle apprehensive on using it for cast bullets. a little to much of that powder does give it some more kick. i do use recommended safe starting loads and work up. my Q. is: with or without gas checks affect the powder loads and/or when firing cast bullets? for either universal or T.G.?
Great video Elvis. I have been experimenting with Universal as well along with some 124gn Oregon Trail cast bullets out of my Ruger Security 9. I have not shot through a chronograph yet however. Nice consistency but the powder seems to be quite smokey as I shoot. Did you get that?
Nice shooting elvis you encyclopedia of reloading and casting info. You made it so easy for me to start casting my own 9mm bullets. What is the heaviest 9mm bullet you have shot out of your glock? Im casting from a lyman 147gr mold, using wheel weights the bullets come out at 158gr. They seem to shoot good with adi ap70 powder with 3.2gr.
Hey James.. sounds like you might be from the OutBack.. (ADI) That's about as heavy as i've loaded 9mm 158gr. For subsonic ammo. The bullet style will help dictate reliable feeding.Thanks for watching and Happy Shooting Mate! : )
Yes sir adi (australian defense industry) there realy strict with the gun laws over here can't even use semi auto rifles but can use semi auto pistols 10round limit on the magazines. haha we cant even use a pump shotgun here anymore but i try and have fun with that we do have.
AA5 is my go to powder for pistol cartridges. It’s messy though. It far exceeds universal, and is not even as accurate as power pistol. I got tired of chasing the “ new “ powders. AA5 is a keeper
Norman, are you saying AA5 is not as accurate for you as Power Pistol, or Universal is not as accurate as Power Pistol? Do you like AA5 more than Power Pistol if so why? Thanks PS I like AA5 but have never tried Power Pistol. Isn't Power Pistol similar to Unique in 9mm, but maybe a little bit faster?
@@deandeann1541 I like them all, but have found AA5 to be more accurate than the others. It’s fine flake messy in powder measures though, tends to slide though the seal areas. It’s more economical than power pistol for charge weight.
I have a quick question, can you use 45acp berry bullets, to load 45 colt out of a lever gun, they don’t have a crimp groove or does it matter out of a Rifel, great shooting thanks
Hey elvis! I just came to your most recent video to ask you a few questions. Can you use range scrap to cast 300 blk rounds? And how fast would you run them. Which mold do you use for your 300, are they subsonic or super? Is it a good idea to run subsonic without a suppressor? I kinda want to stay super sonic until i get a suppressor. What sub or super mold do you use..... I'm sorry I've been watching your videos like crazy trying to wrap my mind around reloading
Hey Ryan... Yes I believe range scrap would do it. water quench the bullets .. I run subs with a 230 gr. lee bullet without a suppressor no problem. I also run supers with the lee 312-155. I have a couple of custom molds coming from Arsenal molds that I will be trying out for supers and subs. I will also try the supers in the AK ...
Hey Elvis do you recommend trying little mom and pop shops to pick up wheel weights or franchises? Just went to all the little shops in town and only came up with about 5 pounds 😑
Nice shooting and appreciate all the info. On the AK round testing, I would like a great accurate load for my PINK Stocked AK. An Old Fat Guy shooting a Pink AK that is super accurate, what could be better?
HEY ELVIS, I HAVE A NEW VIDEO IDEA!!!!!! I cast a set of examples of every mold I have, but in Pewter, "Tin" for safer handling and it weighs a lot less than lead but a little harder. Try casting those in Tin and see what they do as for velocity!
elvis ammo i use it alot for 44 special and ive used it for 115 gr 9mm loads but i recently started casting for 9mm so i want to use it for that as well
Very nice shooting sir. As a new reloader, I would like your expertisein a load iv'e worked up for my 9mm SA-XD 4"bar. Have Eggleston 115 gr poly coated bullet, using 4.5 gr Bullseye powder with CCI 500 primers. Shooting for around 1100 fps. All data says to load bullet to a COAL of 1.100. Using Extreme fmj, COAL is 1.125. Have you had any issues loading 115 gr poly at COAL of 1.100? Thanks so much, Don.
Hey Don... 1.100 sounds a little short to me.. But I dont have your bullet in front of me. But from my experience it don't hurt to play around with the COAL a little to suit your needs. proper feeding and accuracy... Just remember Bullseye is a pretty hot powder... never hurts to start 10 percent below max and work up ...I usually find the COAL to work out best toward the longer side... I most cases
Thank you so very much. Agree will tone powder down to 4.4. 4.5/6 is a bit hot. Just so much fun to watch vids and gently expierment with loads. Have a super week-end coming up. Once it warms up a bit here in west central Wisconsin, will shoot more.
Elvis! I have 8 pounds or so of Unique, have you ever tried Unique with that same cast bullet? Any info is much appreciated! I have a some loaded at 4 grn at a 1.130 , I yet have to shoot. I just haven’t been able to get to the range. Let me know, Thanks.
Great video. Have you ever tried the Hodgdon CFE Pistol Powder? When I first started loading I was looking for some power suggestions and the two most popular seemed to be CFE and Tightgroupe. I really like the CFE Pistol but after seeing your video, I will have to try the Tight Group and the Universal. Thanks for all your videos Elvis Ammo. They have definitely helped me out so much when I first started loading and continue to do so. Happy Loading and keep up the great work.
Dead Money ...you are the exact reason for doing these videos. . throw out some other options for loads. While at the same time exploring for myself. I haven't tried the cafe pistol. I always want to and then can't get it for one reason or another. Tite group is a staple. looks like universal has my attention!
I'm just starting with reloading and plan on testing with Titegroup and CFE Pistol in both 9mm & 40 S&W. Looks like universal is something I might want to look at as well. Looking forward to seeing Elvis experiment more with it.
Yea I like this kind of video because I can always pick up some info . Do you know if anybody putting out any more cast bullet data ? O by the way there,s a Piggly Wiggly over in Flopeye SC !
Nice.. not sure where Flopeye Sc is but I think I can find this ham.... : ) You probably know Fortunecookie45LC, and Thorsaxe777, Loads of Bacon, Full Lead Taco. to name a few..Thanks for stopping by! : )
Universal is great for medium powerful loads in nearly every pistol caliber. It strongly resembles Unique.
And cleaner burning!
I know this is an old video but I wanted to say thanks Elvis. I am really new to reloading, and am about to do my first 1000 rounds. I wanted to try something exactly like this before I crank them out. On a side note - those roosters in the background make it sound like you live in Jurassic Park!
Great job man I'm loving it. Hot dam I might have to give some of these loads a try. Thank you, sir.
I have loaded and shot 20 thousand + 9mm in my Ruger P89dc. I use 124gr Lazer Cast lead and 4.5gr of Tite Group.
Never any pressure issues and they are extremely accurate. 6-8in. steel at 50yrd all day long!🤠👍
Just a caveat to Elvis and other fellow Reloaders. When Using the Lee micro adjustable charge bar, I've gotten very inconsistent powder drops with low charges(less than 4 grains) of Titegroup.
Good test Elvis. Titegroup, Solo1000, Clays and Universal are my favorite 9mm pistol powders. Clean burning. Clays and Titegroup are very economical.
I've been using Universal for .38, 9mm, .380 and .45 for years. They all love it. No issues.
Hey Elvis! I love these videos! Titegroup has been my go to for all of my hand gun calibers for a while now. I like longshot for +p and magnum. But that universal has peaked my interest. awesome video as always. Great shooting my friend. Can't wait for more
Great videos Titegroup at 3.6 OAL 1.125 is one of my faves Lee cast 124 grain powder coated.
Nice shooting elvis. Good enough for head shots on noisy roosters.... I've been using Universal powder for years in my 40 and 45. Stuff burns clean and shoots great. Meters just fine through my powder measure too. Can't really complain.
Why is this only the first time I'm ever seeing this guy??! This is a great video
Elvis thanks for sharing this video! You covered a lot of amazing information👍 I'm new to reloading and just recently started casting my own bullets and powdercoating. I was told by an older gentleman with 40years of experience in loading ammo to try the titegroup powder. I'm glad you made a video shooting with titegroup and sharing your powder grains and COL 👌 from seeing your amazing results I will now feel confident in loading my own ammo with the titegroup. Keep up the great videos your awesome! I'm Also looking forward to seeing more video progress on your AK reloading ammo
Yep ... Thanks larry559... Some of these loads with titegroup you see here are used in competition ... Be confident for sure... The only wild card is can we shoot straight... : )
Nice shooting Elvis, I believe that any-one of those load combinations will pass as accuracy loadings. They will set in "X" ring accuracy @25 yards which is two inches, So Now you know, It's on you and the Marksmanship, Not the gun, not the loading, Not the bullet. you have set up a foundation to build on or improve on. Good Shoot'en Buddy. (I wish we had a Piggly Wiggly up here in the North). I could use one of those White salted smoked hams this winter. Mummmm. Dave.
yeah... Kinda hate not having any good excuses! That kinda Bums me.. : ) I will take the best of these to some further distances, Maybe by then i'll figure out a good excuse if something goes bad! : ) I don't really know of a Piggly Wiggly close by here... not to far away though... i believe Ingles or BiLo has them though... I'll see if I can find one of those White salted smoked hams....
Well. In the way of accuracy, sight radius has a lot to do with it, The closer the sights are together the more the error in alignment is amplified, Thus placing the shot outside the aiming area. (That Blurr of the target you see in the distance) Longer Barrels shoot mainly with more accuracy because of less error in lining them up and being able to hold them in alignment with each other. So don't kick yourself as it is difficult to do repeatably, That was Fine shoot'en for 12 1/2 Yards. Here is another crazy thing, because of fitting some pistols are good 25-yard guns, However, the accuracy falls apart at 50-yards, I have done ransom rests tests on 1911's and see this happen. I believe it to be fitting at the barrel and barrel bushing fitting to the pistol. anyway, Looks like you are on a good quest. Btw, I would be willing to Pay for the Ham and shipping. Hehehe.. Those have a unique flavor, unlike any other ham. It's a good substitute for those basketball Yankie hams we have here. Dave.
Thor's Axe777 well said dude, well said spot on as usual. As for hams if you have any Amish communities near you, you might want to take a trip out to buy some ham. I buy all my hams from the Amish and man they are amazing at curing and smoking ham and other meats.
Nah man, not at NW we don't, no Amish that I am aware of.
Well, sorta true...at close ranges with pistols. There's a couple of things. People are moving more and more to carbines, and so, careful load development is relevant. That's why this video is important...
At 1.125 COAL, and a 124-125 grain FMJ or LRN, this is getting into a compressed load with Universal (note that at that COAL the bullet won't fit into some magazines). With a plain Jane 9mm carbine, and 4.3 grains of Universal, that puts you into the 1350-1380 ft/sec range with WSPs (actual and Quickload predicted). So, yes...at 25-75 yards an accuracy load does make sense...a lot. You can go from .5 inch groups close in this video up to 4"-6" groups down "there" at my bench with a 995ts if you don't pay attention to the load development.
And, yes, Quickload shows that Universal has higher Ballistic Efficiency, as compared to Unique or Titegroup when you match for pressure and ft/sec MV.
Now, as you go to 100 yards and perhaps 250, and if you're a Ninja with a scope, all hell breaks loose because the bullet becomes unstable and drops below hypersonic. It then gets comical in terms of a 9mm POI, relative to a good .22 and a 26" barrel. So, yes...tighter groups are better with a 9. There comes a point in this game, however, when you switch over to a 150 grain FMBT from PPU stuffed in a 7.62x39 FC case at 2.200 stacked in a SKS with 21 grains of N120.
Thoroughly enjoying it Elvis, great to see such wonderful results especially with the Universal. Glad it turned out the way it did. Will be very interested in 38 and 45 results when you get there. Keep up the great experimenting, you have a right to be pleased and happy.
Yep I like doing these kinda tests... I have some decent things coming in 9, 38 and 45 be honest I cant wait either! : )
Man... I just want to say thank you for providing the COAL. I made somewhere around 3k bullets this Christmas and started trying to make a dummy fit. Kept having chambering issues even with a properly set factory crimp. The first groove (raised) always catches when chambering, and I could never get a proper taper crimp with the factory crimp die.
The 1.125" COAL generally puts the case mouth between the first and second raised grooves and allows for a smooth transitional crimp. I was getting so frustrated. I started off with 9mm years ago, cast a ton of 45ACP bullets and knew how to load the same round nose Lee profile.
Thanks Elvis! I've been using your quick powdercoat method for a while now, and now you saved my bacon (maybe). I've never loaded 9mm so short (usually 1.135 - 1.145" in 115gr RN), so I'll need to be careful on loads.
Thanks for taking the time to comment 4thaggie.. The 1.135 works too. I find the 1.145 a little to close to make inconsistent mistakes but do feed in most my guns. The 1.125 seems to be the most reliable ... you can always adjust a little for accuracy if needed. I use just enough crimp to return the flaired case mouth to normal. No taper at all.. happy shooting to ya!!!
Elvis, I really enjoyed this video. 1st time on your channel brother. I've been reloading for little over a year now. Mainly 9mm luger using Titegroup (4.1 - 4.3 gr.) and just started reloading .45 ACP. using CFE-Pistol (6.1 - 6.3 gr) . I recently stocked up on some Everglades 9mm JHP 115gr bullets and some 9mm 115gr and .45 ACP 230gr. copper plated RN bullets from Gluten Free Ammo. Going to start reloading the 9mm JHP rounds this week. I mainly use two 9's for target shooting, Walther PPQ M-2 and a Canik TP9-SFx. My .45 target pistol is Walther PPQ 45 auto.Really like your video and you got a new Subscriber!! BTY... Damn good shooting!! Thanks
Thank you brother. Welcome to the channel👍👍👍
I have that same mold except with standard lube grooves. Not only does mine drop heavy too but after powder coating I have to seat them deep because of the Ogive and powder coat to keep them out of the lands and feed properly. By the way good shooting!
Very nice job, precise presentation
Thanks man you answer so many questions. Appreciate all your work.
Excellent group by Elvis
With the availability of components being what they are today, I was forced to do the same thing with Hercules Reddot. I got my data from Lyman 45th edition. Groups were no where as tight but found that from 3.5 grains to 4 9 grains, those loaded at 4.5 grains were the most accurate out of my Security 9.
Great video.great shooting.
I recently bought a 9mm sig sauer and I'm new to reloading. That's some nice shooting by the way, but I wad wondering where you got the load data that helped you get to your new load. It's hard to find any particular size,weight, types of components to build a round. I would be happy with titegroup loD data for a 9mm
Watching this now makes me want that jug of titegroup lol. I can't find any!! 😂😂
Impressive shooting and exploring of the Universal powder. I liked the results. Can you tell me, what type primer did you use, regular or magnum? Also, what brand bullets? Thx.
Great video. I use 4.0 grs titegroup powder with the 124 bullet. For testing I like a carbine such as the Ruger pc 9. Keep up the good work.
Universal doesnt meter consistently in my Dillon 650. Varies between 4.2 and 4.4. I have powder baffles in the reservoir too.
I was having the same issue. I just moved to tite group but haven’t loaded any rounds yet
I’ve been a big fan on tite group for years. I even use it in my 10mm auto and .38spc loads. Accurate and I love how a little goes a long way... great video!
yep everything you said is the reason I like it as well! Great powder that goes a long way!
Avid Water fowler Hello there... I’m a beginner, made my first successful 500 rounds of 9mm of CFE. But went out and bought 5 pounds of Titegroup. I pay very close attention to my powder fill on when I get to the bullet seating stage. Pretty noticeable with the CFE cause I load 5.1 grains. Will I be able to see my charge ok with the Titegroup? Think I’ll be using around 20% less
@@damon323 When you load in batches with a single press, once you have a batch filed with a compact powder like tightgroup, say a batch of 100, just shine a penlight on all the cartridges at once. Any that don't have the powder loaded to the same level will stand out. It is an easy, good double check on the powder charges for safety. It works good as a check on hard to see light and/or dense charges.
Yes Elvis I have a question first of all your videos are awesome so my question is I have the same Lee mold to cast my 9 mm with after I cast them I’d like to size them then I would like to powder coat them and size them again but do I still need to put the lubricant the Alox on it like they say because they’re a tumble lube design bullet please let me know how you would do it
I might have missed it...were these sized to .356? Great shooting! I haven't tried Universal yet, since it's very similar to Unique, which I've got a bunch of. I'll have to pick some up sometime and give it a shot. EDIT: nevermind...you said they were .356 in another comment.
Nice save on the edit.. : ) I should learn by now not to leave info like that out... You'll probably find that universal shoots quite a bit cleaner if thats of interest.. Those Hangfire vids are crazy good!
Yep... Universal is cleaner than unique. Meters nicely too.
Enjoying the hell out of this series. I need to try that Universal powder. Thank you.
Thanks for commenting nice to know folks are digging it! : ) Im in!
Nice !
In my mind:
Tight Group is Hodgdons competition for Bullseye by Aliant.
Universal is Hodgdons competition for Unique powder by Aliant.
Hodgdon is more available in my area, Cabbalas is local. Aliant seems to be in short supply but they will ship it to the local store for free for pick-up.
I think you need to shoot your Rooster for making a ruckus during filming.
yep ... that Universal will probably shoot a little cleaner if ya care! The Rooster was a little pissed I wasn't cocking the hammer!!! : )
Nice shooting Elvies! You have improved your testing techniques - that I am happy about. I was bashing you about your "thumb size" groups measurements but no more. Respect brother :)
Hey Dima Prok... Thanks for your input... I thought our thumbs were all the same size!! : ) Never hurts for us to step up the game and do better.... I am having fun for sure with this testing!
Nice flying ham hock's. Universal and 231 have been my go to powders for all my standard velocity rounds. 296 and 2400 for my magnum rounds. I went through a period of using the No. 2-9 for my handgun rounds. They gave me a deal on it back in 1998 so I bought a shit load of it. Anyway I'm liking the targets. I think I'm going to have to buy a few hundred of them. Listening to the roosters in the background is kinda soothing. The wife won't have them again. She was attacked by one when she had chickens. I wish I could have seen that.😀 Thanks for another great video. Happy shooting.
Thanks again... Yeah being attacked by chickens can make ya loose all your cool points! : ) Sounds like some good powders there ... can't go wrong at all !
Tightgroup is a great 9 mm powder. Strong and very clean with a wide range.
I haven't loaded9mm in a few months though, but iirc tightgroup isn't either the best or worst at weighing. I really prefer easy weighing powder, so many powders (flake) can be frustrating in pistol ammo.
A question. I used tite group. What is your data on .355-9mm hollow points plz??
hey elvis do you do this for fun or do you own and reload professionaly??/thanks for all the videos.ive learned alot from you videos......
What is the best powder to load 9mm as a beginner reloader for a shield shooting fmj 115 or 124 grain bullet?
Most of the powder listed in the book work well. Get what is available… 👍👍
New drinking game.
Every time Elvis says "uhm" you take a drink. Betcha can't last to the end haha
Breast cancer awareness bullets ! Good job Elvis !
Love the experimental vid's with Universal!!!!Looking forward to 38 ,45,and more!Thank you for sharing!!!
I find that Universal offers lower pressures and good accuracy. It is not the most accurate compared to other powders I have used but the lower pressure offers up lower re-coil and comfort. Also, Universal has load data for most pistol calibers. It is a very good powder.
Great video, that rooster in the background is working overtime!! Haha sounds like my place!
Birds of a feather my friend!!! : )
Experimenting = discovery = learning! Thanks for sharing your data Elvis! Keep your revolver brass warm!
Mmmmm love warm brass!!! Thanks John Doe!
Enjoyed your video . I must of missed it when it came out . Thanks
This testing is extremely helpful thanks and want to see more
The 125 gr bullet doesn't seem to fit FN 509 is there a trick to getting that thing to chamber
I absolutely enjoy these kind of videos Elvis. Gives me an idea of how other powders perform, now I'm interested in universal powder. I will be curious how it works for 38 and 357. I mainly use Winchester autocomp for a 9mm, but will use it in 38spl. I use 2400 for 357 magnum. Looking forward to the next video
yep... gonna have to do some 38/357 with it for sure! Coming up...I might try some 2400 with a few different bullets as well...
Excellent!! I run 3.7gr TiteGroup in my Competition Pistols under the 125gr bullet.
yep... I thought so... what OAL?
Yes I am interested in you coal also.
"Bulky stuff". Sounds like my post holiday waistline. LOL... Thanks, always an education.
I get my food in bulk too! Bullets are only second in line to eating! : ) Thanks my friend
I just bought an aftermarket barrel for my (new to me) gen 3 G22 .40 SW... It was inspired by Fortune cookie's Glock barrel video. I have other Glocks in 40 and haven't had any issues but want to be on the safe side with this new range toy. Did I waste my money?
no I don't think you wasted your money at all Keith.. Personally i wouldn't have spent no more than I had too. I would be glad to have barrels of different kinds just for testing! : ) Really the bottom line is we don't want the brass to get messed up.. Maybe the 40 is most likely to do this? Maybe it's just really hot loads? I see a little bit of the glock smile but not that often and never from my own brass. One advantage you have now is to shoot groups with each barrel to see if one has an advantage over the other .... Happy Shooten!
elvis - might fine shooting with some mighty fine and consistent reloads...!! I am running low on TiteGroup powder - time to reorder another 8 pounds...Have a great day..! FC Steve
Great work and I think your testing is very useful and helpful for us out in the reloading world. Would you think about taking the 2 most accurate loads from each powder and shoot at 25 yards to narrow the choice down. Kinda the way I run tests, always trying to take out the "human" element of each grouping. Cheers from Canada
Yep... That's my thinking too. I plan on it. The human element is the biggest one for me to consider. Sometimes we feel good about our shots and sometime we know we screwed a few up.. I felt about 95 Percent.. This percent will decrease the further out I go.. Stay tuned! : )
Have been told not to use titegroup for pc bullet because the chemicals in titegroup will deteriorate the coating do you have anything to say about this topic.
Great shooting do better than I do lol I like the titegroup and the universal today I went to the range and did good for my 9mm lee cast 120gr with titegroup 3.9 did very good and for my 38 special is universal today I didn’t save the targets to do a video on have a wonderful day
Awesome... Youll have to do a video on it! Glad to hear we have another Universal Fan! : )
my fav gun and my favorite powders. U my FRIEND ARE AWESOME!
Yes! We hit it off.... : ) we're Friends! If it makes ya feel any better I have 2 glock 19's : )
the only powder i could find, and the sales guy at turners outdoorsman said it was a good powder for my 9mm. but being a newbie, i been hearing alot of different comments and videos.and no data for this.. kinda scared to try it for my 9mm. help..
Good job loading/shooting man! Looks like you have a few different options for good loads for the 9mm.
Full.Lead.Taco yep I think I can take my pick based on the velocity I want..I shot the 3.9 gr at 1060 fps.. this gives me the range I want..I think I'll stick with that...
I'd take any of those groups. Excellent I'd say
Great shooting there Elvis. Great info too. I’m going to have to buy some universal powder too. Thx
Thank ya NYC Reloader! Some pretty good stuff! hope ya having a great New Year!
elvis ammo it’s a good year so far except for the cold weather. Was -20 F in my garage when I needed to do some reloading. Took forever to warm it up. I’m going to have to move some place warm and has more freedom.
Great video Elvis. I love the test videos. Thanks for sharing
thank you.. my 124 gr. 9mm came out from 118 to 127 so is this ok??
what firearm are you using and at what distance ?
My first thought was "man that guy can really shoot".....nice shooting sir. Your videos are some of the best classroom sessions I have experienced. I know you have to put a bunch of effort and personal time to make these so please accept my (our) thanks and gratitude. I do have a question about chronos: do you have a favorite, what attributes are important and perhaps lessons learned. Might be a subject for a video? Thanks
The problem is that there is no guide for a 16" inch barrel .. the data that they are providing most of the time is out of a 4" barrel . I am using We think that even Dirty Harry himself possibly used Vihtavuori N350 in his famous .44 Rem Mag, when looking at his infallible shooting accuracy!
Vihtavuori N350 is the slowest in the N300 series of handgun powders. It is ideal for very heavy loadings and top velocities and energies for a broad range of pistol and revolver cartridges. The grain size (1,0 mm length and 0,8 mm diameter) is exactly the same than N320, N330 and N340; it is the porosity of the powder that makes all the difference in burning characteristics. N350 is very w
Was that off a ransom rest or what? Nobody shoots that tight offhand...
I have now changed to Unique because it fills the case much better than TG and H700-X. Using that exact bullet, I load 4.5 grn.
whats your OAL. and do ya know the velocity fps?
Good info, the testing can some times lead to more questions than answers ! All those combo's seem to have good results with a stand alone shooting, but it's always fun to work up loads even if it's just for saving powder :-) Looking forward to the AK stuff.
Great Shooting Elvis. Love the results. Keep up the great testing!!
Ive reloaded for the Glock 17 with different barrels from 90gr to 147gr- plated/h.p./fmj.. now im getting supplies to cast bullets with a .358 mold 125gr -T.C.
and resize to .356 . ive used 3n37 powder as my standard.Yet I do have titegroup, but im a alttle apprehensive on using it for cast bullets. a little to much
of that powder does give it some more kick. i do use recommended safe starting loads and work up. my Q. is: with or without gas checks
affect the powder loads and/or when firing cast bullets? for either universal or T.G.?
Great video Elvis. I have been experimenting with Universal as well along with some 124gn Oregon Trail cast bullets out of my Ruger Security 9. I have not shot through a chronograph yet however. Nice consistency but the powder seems to be quite smokey as I shoot. Did you get that?
I enjoy the testing. Two thumbs up from me 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks sir! Glad to know... I like the upward thumbs! : )
Very much enjoyed this video! Thank you, and great shooting! Think I'm going to try some universal powders!
The universal powder is not bad but it is dirty
Honest question: how much pot do you smoke?
Nice shooting elvis you encyclopedia of reloading and casting info. You made it so easy for me to start casting my own 9mm bullets. What is the heaviest 9mm bullet you have shot out of your glock? Im casting from a lyman 147gr mold, using wheel weights the bullets come out at 158gr. They seem to shoot good with adi ap70 powder with 3.2gr.
Hey James.. sounds like you might be from the OutBack.. (ADI) That's about as heavy as i've loaded 9mm 158gr. For subsonic ammo. The bullet style will help dictate reliable feeding.Thanks for watching and Happy Shooting Mate! : )
Yes sir adi (australian defense industry) there realy strict with the gun laws over here can't even use semi auto rifles but can use semi auto pistols 10round limit on the magazines. haha we cant even use a pump shotgun here anymore but i try and have fun with that we do have.
AA5 is my go to powder for pistol cartridges. It’s messy though. It far exceeds universal, and is not even as accurate as power pistol. I got tired of chasing the “ new “ powders. AA5 is a keeper
Norman, are you saying AA5 is not as accurate for you as Power Pistol, or Universal is not as accurate as Power Pistol? Do you like AA5 more than Power Pistol if so why? Thanks PS I like AA5 but have never tried Power Pistol. Isn't Power Pistol similar to Unique in 9mm, but maybe a little bit faster?
@@deandeann1541 I like them all, but have found AA5 to be more accurate than the others. It’s fine flake messy in powder measures though, tends to slide though the seal areas. It’s more economical than power pistol for charge weight.
I have a quick question, can you use 45acp berry bullets, to load 45 colt out of a lever gun, they don’t have a crimp groove or does it matter out of a Rifel, great shooting thanks
I use Alliant BE86 and have great results with accuracy and reliability. Good info.
I'm new to reloading and got a bottle of BE86.
124 grain is the 9mm bullet, what power load would be good?
Some nice groups, I use a lot of titegroup in my 9's and Clays in the 45
Hey trees ... Cant go wrong with those two!
Man great video. Really enjoying this info
What size did you size your bullets to
Love the videos Elvis! Keep up the great work brotha.
Great video Elvis, really enjoyed it....
Thanks Norm!! : )
Hey elvis! I just came to your most recent video to ask you a few questions. Can you use range scrap to cast 300 blk rounds? And how fast would you run them. Which mold do you use for your 300, are they subsonic or super? Is it a good idea to run subsonic without a suppressor? I kinda want to stay super sonic until i get a suppressor. What sub or super mold do you use..... I'm sorry I've been watching your videos like crazy trying to wrap my mind around reloading
Hey Ryan... Yes I believe range scrap would do it. water quench the bullets .. I run subs with a 230 gr. lee bullet without a suppressor no problem. I also run supers with the lee 312-155. I have a couple of custom molds coming from Arsenal molds that I will be trying out for supers and subs. I will also try the supers in the AK ...
elvis ammo do you gas check your supers?
Hey Elvis do you recommend trying little mom and pop shops to pick up wheel weights or franchises? Just went to all the little shops in town and only came up with about 5 pounds 😑
may i ask?/what lee dipper did you use?///
Awesome. Can't wait for the 38spc and 45acp videos.
thank ya sir....
question for ya elvis... do you have any load data for 130gr 9mm round nose? my lee 356-125-2r puts out 130gr rounds... any help appreciated, thanks
Use 125 grain start data, work your loads up to pressure, then work back down to accuracy.
3.5 looked pretty damn nice!
Nice shooting and appreciate all the info.
On the AK round testing, I would like a great accurate load for my PINK Stocked AK. An Old Fat Guy shooting a Pink AK that is super accurate, what could be better?
That's just awesome! : ) Id be tickled PINK... : )
Pretty nice shooting Elvis great job
Thanks Walker Outdoors! Happy shooting to ya........
HEY ELVIS, I HAVE A NEW VIDEO IDEA!!!!!!
I cast a set of examples of every mold I have, but in Pewter, "Tin" for safer handling and it weighs a lot less than lead but a little harder.
Try casting those in Tin and see what they do as for velocity!
I wonder where Elvis went?
GREAT vid Elvis, thanks a ton ! Boy, your roosters sure have a lot to say ! LOL
This video reminded me that i need to work up a load for 135 gr 9mm using CSB-1, i have 12 lbs that i need to use
Awesome Josue... I've never tried it yet. I haven't heard anything bad at all. Let me know how ya like it?
elvis ammo i use it alot for 44 special and ive used it for 115 gr 9mm loads but i recently started casting for 9mm so i want to use it for that as well
*Did you just shoot a series of cast lead bullet loads from a Stock POLYGONAL RIFLING Glock 19 ?*
Very nice shooting sir. As a new reloader, I would like your expertisein a load iv'e worked up for my 9mm SA-XD 4"bar. Have Eggleston 115 gr poly coated bullet, using 4.5 gr Bullseye powder with CCI 500 primers. Shooting for around 1100 fps. All data says to load bullet to a COAL of 1.100. Using Extreme fmj, COAL is 1.125. Have you had any issues loading 115 gr poly at COAL of 1.100? Thanks so much, Don.
Hey Don... 1.100 sounds a little short to me.. But I dont have your bullet in front of me. But from my experience it don't hurt to play around with the COAL a little to suit your needs. proper feeding and accuracy... Just remember Bullseye is a pretty hot powder... never hurts to start 10 percent below max and work up ...I usually find the COAL to work out best toward the longer side... I most cases
Thank you so very much. Agree will tone powder down to 4.4. 4.5/6 is a bit hot. Just so much fun to watch vids and gently expierment with loads. Have a super week-end coming up. Once it warms up a bit here in west central Wisconsin, will shoot more.
Are you using 1.100 for coal due to bullet profile? Lee mold?
Elvis! I have 8 pounds or so of Unique, have you ever tried Unique with that same cast bullet? Any info is much appreciated! I have a some loaded at 4 grn at a 1.130 , I yet have to shoot. I just haven’t been able to get to the range. Let me know, Thanks.
Great video. Have you ever tried the Hodgdon CFE Pistol Powder? When I first started loading I was looking for some power suggestions and the two most popular seemed to be CFE and Tightgroupe. I really like the CFE Pistol but after seeing your video, I will have to try the Tight Group and the Universal. Thanks for all your videos Elvis Ammo. They have definitely helped me out so much when I first started loading and continue to do so. Happy Loading and keep up the great work.
Dead Money ...you are the exact reason for doing these videos. . throw out some other options for loads. While at the same time exploring for myself. I haven't tried the cafe pistol. I always want to and then can't get it for one reason or another. Tite group is a staple. looks like universal has my attention!
I'm big fan of CFE Pistol, switched from Titegoup as it seems lot cleaner . Stuff is not "baked on" like with TG
I'm just starting with reloading and plan on testing with Titegroup and CFE Pistol in both 9mm & 40 S&W. Looks like universal is something I might want to look at as well. Looking forward to seeing Elvis experiment more with it.
I sure do need to try that cfe pistol sometime
hey BSM you got some great powders there for sure... cant go wrong with any of these!
Thank you!
Yea I like this kind of video because I can always pick up some info . Do you know if anybody putting out any more cast bullet data ? O by the way there,s a Piggly Wiggly over in Flopeye SC !
Nice.. not sure where Flopeye Sc is but I think I can find this ham.... : ) You probably know Fortunecookie45LC, and Thorsaxe777, Loads of Bacon, Full Lead Taco. to name a few..Thanks for stopping by! : )
Look at your group at 12 yards you made me embarrassed. Anyway, Universal 3.9 , that is it. Thanks man.