another tip if u arent a full bow party as in vid: if u got mark with bullseye specialization (assuming u dont cast it twice) on a target up, the cdr spezialization on nock and decently high attackspeed and if ur cdr isnt high enough also the cd spell up u can do strafe > nock > strafe > random skill or 2 > nock > strafe > another skill or 2 > nock. without high attackspeed/cdr u might can only get out 2 nocks per strafe cd. also when casting fireball barrage try chaining it with either the manareg spell or blessing or both as u will proc alot more the staff passive of those manaball eruptions(about 50% with just blessing), for lance u have to cast blessing before casting lance (with bombardment spec)
Thing to note regarding the example clips, this approach is always good, however, it gets amplified by crossbow users (from experience) as they hit very often, and in Whelps party, there are 3 crossbows.
We go with 1 bow and stack xbows, that way your CDs just disappear, cuz of many hits of xbow. Tho never thought about Blitz on marker, gonna try it today.
For Bow/Staff bossing, it's pretty straightforward, you cannot really go wrong. Just get all damage passives and ignore all defensive ones. For bow, it's the passives 1, 3 and 4. For the staff it's 1, 2, 3, 4 and 7.
What passives are you using in this build? i am struggling as a newer player for a great PVE Dungeon build and then AOE builds. so any help would be amazing
Thank god you come out with this video after the buffs and nerfs. 😂 See this getting patched asap.. I can’t get in parties. People only taking 3800 bow players 😂
If I'm using the new rotation and my cooldowns are still bad, that means I'm in bad party? Would the old rotation have been better in that case? How can I tell which one will be better before I start the boss fight?
I am on tier 1 global and wanted to know If I should be saving guild tokens, ornate tokens and how much blessing I need to stack for traits on my tier 1 items so I can level up stuff on my teir 2 items.
Just an improvement: not worth it to use the blessing in the middle of the rotation, by the time you use all the skills the marker is gone and thoses last skills wont benefit from it. better to use only damage skills while marker is on. lave the blessing for last since it lasts longer and the whirlpool will still be available for the next rotation.
What scenario is the old rotation better than the new one? If there are only one or two bow users is the old rotation better? Why we didn't get this rotation first now we have to level ice spear and blitz :(
Skill conversion books. Also, Inferno wave is still best for AoE opposed to ice spear. Also also, we'll get more skill growth books with upcoming winter seasonal.
@@TheEgoShooterer is it worth using conversion book on flash wave to blitz? But I like using flash wave on mob parts of dungeons and open world dungeon, also do we even need to level blitz?
whelps, I'm wondering is xbow/dagger or xbow/bow is better than bow/staff on pve? I have both bow/xbow and bow/staff, but the bow/staff damage output is similar to bow/xbow when my bow/staff build is melee evasion (which is low dmg and crit) than my bow/xbow build which is crit damage and has more 75-90 min/max damage. ty in advance
@@Whelpsi tried this build but it really doesnt work with pugs as they suck doing or sometimes not doing deadly at all , hopefully more people watch the v ideo cuz its so painful rn
At 3:38 when you say now won’t you have a look at my cooldown. I don’t see no difference. You can tell by how blitz cd is ticking. It’s not ticking any faster. What am I missing?
@@LastLordTime Ty. Not home so first skill I wanted to see if we were able to have cdr, but did not know it was like that. Thanks for pointing it out and that explains why
the specialization adds an extra bullseye stack, not deadly marker. translations are bad, don't trust them. bullseye is what you get for using strafing.
@thewhelps so with this change and since cool downs are so fast now should we not even bother with cdr on gear/masteries and focus more towards dmg/atk speed/etc? I feel like with this new rotation the gear could be reworked some for the current t1 bis set
it's not like CD clashes with traits like atk speed or anything, if it's available you take it, it still helps with base CD anyway, for PvE gear of course
I suspect Whelps has high enough crit hit chance to proc cooldown reduction in the many hits. I'm strugling with the Bow passive Steady Aim. I'm trying to boost my crit chance via Steady aim. In theory it should proc when firing on bound or opressed targets. And ICE prison with Bound + Icy Mire should give me targets proccing steady aim for 15 secs. It should even work on bosses since targets immune to Bind should instead be opressed. BUT Translation is so bad and its hard to really test on the dummies. I have a feeling that steady aim mechanics actually only works with ensnaring arrow. Also the reason Whelps is sidestepping SteadyAim which in conceptually from other games is a powerfull skill. Can anybody confirm?
Maybe it's good for 20-30s fight. Otherwise you just shoot arrows... Cooldowns are too high. In 1 min I make 440k damage with chain lighting and decisive sniping. With this only 350k.
The devs all must be bow player. There is no other explanation really.... first came Flash Wave meta in PvP, now comes the Deadly Marker in PvE... what the hell is going on with these devs.
except player in global still sucks most of the time, so we kinda need to have flashwaves to heal other player in random coop 😂. i always play on random coop that's why there is nothing I can do about it, 90% of the time I use flashwaves only for teammates never really for myself unfortunately
Hello Whelps, in your questlog in this skill build you have staff first, this rotation is for staff first weapon? By the way i think this sometimes bugs.. i was in a world boss, i put 2 deadly marker and others put more 3, and the cooldown still the same xd
2 mark overall is better as it's for the whole party meanwhile brutal arrow is only foryourself and I don't mean about the CDR but the amount of hits you would be doing with brutal arrow compared to 6 people hitting with 2 markers
Why would i want brutal arrow spam when i could spam meteor/fb/etc all with full buff uptime and buffing regen/cdr for the party more as well? Brutal arrow base dmg way too low to compare to giving up all that + the constant burn stacks add up a lot and boost your heavy atk from passives.. I hardly ever see anyone use brutal arrow cuz it's kind of meme build
finally a new bow staff guide from the hair god himself
Get off your knees G
thanks! i was waiting exactly for this video with new rotation!
What passives are you using
another tip if u arent a full bow party as in vid: if u got mark with bullseye specialization (assuming u dont cast it twice) on a target up, the cdr spezialization on nock and decently high attackspeed and if ur cdr isnt high enough also the cd spell up u can do strafe > nock > strafe > random skill or 2 > nock > strafe > another skill or 2 > nock.
without high attackspeed/cdr u might can only get out 2 nocks per strafe cd.
also when casting fireball barrage try chaining it with either the manareg spell or blessing or both as u will proc alot more the staff passive of those manaball eruptions(about 50% with just blessing), for lance u have to cast blessing before casting lance (with bombardment spec)
Would love to see a PvP skill video from you ❤
Thing to note regarding the example clips, this approach is always good, however, it gets amplified by crossbow users (from experience) as they hit very often, and in Whelps party, there are 3 crossbows.
Whelps u the best ! thanks for share the TL content for mages :`)
I'm sorry but i think you are missing one key detail which includes passive skills. and may you also add in the item details?
HI there is bow/ staff good in PVP zrg or arena/ gvg zvz? or its glass canon?
Please do a large scale Pvp skill rotations no one has one
That was very informative,thanks!
ditto on the rotation. double marker high focus rotation is life for all
What passives do you use?
Are your passives still the same as with the other build video? Your pve questlog gg hasn't been updated in a bit so wanted to make sure.
yes
We go with 1 bow and stack xbows, that way your CDs just disappear, cuz of many hits of xbow. Tho never thought about Blitz on marker, gonna try it today.
ty 4 ur work
EU.
What Passives you use ?
With tavent bow spam strafe isit better?
Thx brother from another mother
Maybe this build is good in the party of longbows but it makes less damage per 1kk hp than the previous build on guard
is this still current rotation just getting back into game after break?
What about Passive ?
For Bow/Staff bossing, it's pretty straightforward, you cannot really go wrong. Just get all damage passives and ignore all defensive ones.
For bow, it's the passives 1, 3 and 4. For the staff it's 1, 2, 3, 4 and 7.
Is this good for use in the states cause we still rocking shadow/phantom gear.
hi, are there builds for wow staff on gate of infinity solo?
What passives are you using in this build? i am struggling as a newer player for a great PVE Dungeon build and then AOE builds. so any help would be amazing
I didn't understand the whirlpool stacks/effect, is this only movement speed?
What is the best staff toublek or aridus?
What about flash wa? good for damage and healing? So we can get more chance for drops iteam if we make damage and heal in same time ?
Thank you. Could we get a PvP Guide please? For small scale like arena and large scale.
is it better go primary staff for pvp , pve ?
Thank god you come out with this video after the buffs and nerfs. 😂
See this getting patched asap.. I can’t get in parties. People only taking 3800 bow players 😂
yo whelps, do you have a rotation,build,specialization, passives for bow/xbow?
Whelps, imagine i go a random dungeon with randoms players and im the only Bow of the Party.. this still be better than the rotation of the last video
pretty fresh bow/staff here and using a maxrol basic build. Does this work better with limited lower gear as well?
If I'm using the new rotation and my cooldowns are still bad, that means I'm in bad party? Would the old rotation have been better in that case? How can I tell which one will be better before I start the boss fight?
@TheWhelps for this rotation done with full BIS PVE gear or evasion build?
For secret dungeons, is this rotation better than the previous one? thankss you
nah this is when you are in party
Will u make spear dagger video ?
Bro is a goat ❤🎉
Thx for sharing!
can you do a PVP rotation vid?
ty !
Have you try vigor stone in arena pvp yet? I cant use it since I upgrade to it. Is this a bug?
I am on tier 1 global and wanted to know If I should be saving guild tokens, ornate tokens and how much blessing I need to stack for traits on my tier 1 items so I can level up stuff on my teir 2 items.
Just an improvement: not worth it to use the blessing in the middle of the rotation, by the time you use all the skills the marker is gone and thoses last skills wont benefit from it. better to use only damage skills while marker is on. lave the blessing for last since it lasts longer and the whirlpool will still be available for the next rotation.
will they ever fix skill bugs? like shadow strike not teleporting? does this happend in korea too?
I never touched a bow before so this is pretty interesting to know!
Would you like to touch my bow? It's fully upgraded.
no need to take any spec for marker?
Why use ice spear after lightning? I thought it does more dmg if frost is applied prior?
it doesn't
@ ok ty
@ is the wording not correct for the ability?
Would you do anything different with a Bella staff?
probably not but you could replace zephyr with infernal if you want
how do u reach 35k x2 with fire bomb? i cant pass for 23 x2 :C what build did u use?
you know he, playing in korean version they have epic2 weapon and 10 time our gears....
lol bow staff players stay gatekeeping gs players when gs can hit up to like 70k w adentus
If u need to add more heals what power do u replace?
You replace your healer lol.. You are a dps and this set up is for min max groups.
@ nah I mean like if the healer dies at like 30ish percent and u tryna clutch it up
What scenario is the old rotation better than the new one? If there are only one or two bow users is the old rotation better?
Why we didn't get this rotation first now we have to level ice spear and blitz :(
Skill conversion books. Also, Inferno wave is still best for AoE opposed to ice spear. Also also, we'll get more skill growth books with upcoming winter seasonal.
If you've been playing you should've been leveling them anyways, especially blitz for pvp flash waves
@@Keyshawn13 I'm pve only player
@@TheEgoShooterer is it worth using conversion book on flash wave to blitz? But I like using flash wave on mob parts of dungeons and open world dungeon, also do we even need to level blitz?
@@Tom67Slick you should be able to decide for yourself... if you find that the blitz cooldown is too long lvl it up, ez
It blows my mind that people have not been using blitz once the beginning
is there any passive change ?
no
How would an only bow rotation look like?
Whelps please do a gs/spear pvp build you are the only one i trust 🙏
Would it not be better to remove the burst specialisation off off focused fireball and put the hit chance specialisation on deadly marker
no
You don't need hit for pve as far as t2 that we know of
@@Whelps how come as bosses don't have mobs so what's the point of burst?
@@OnceCLE I've missed hits on pve before
whelps, I'm wondering is xbow/dagger or xbow/bow is better than bow/staff on pve? I have both bow/xbow and bow/staff, but the bow/staff damage output is similar to bow/xbow when my bow/staff build is melee evasion (which is low dmg and crit) than my bow/xbow build which is crit damage and has more 75-90 min/max damage. ty in advance
i have tried box xbow - bow dagger and bow GS and bow staff seems the best of them
@@jesseparra1988 so bow staff has the most output damage overall? I have 1 more chance to reroll my weapon so I need to be sure, xD thanks.
please can you do pvp rotation or how to play staff/bow in arena and tyy !!
Don't you need Targets Expanded on High Focus?
I'm using xbow/bow, is it better for me to use blitz for deadly marker or for wild barrage since I also have selfless diffusion to lower the cooldown?
blitz the deadly marker you wanna have higher uptime on your selfless which is more dps
@@Whelps thank you, time for new rotations learning
Passives?
@Whelps Is it valid even if I am the only bow in the party?
probably not unless you are bow/wand
@@Whelpsi tried this build but it really doesnt work with pugs as they suck doing or sometimes not doing deadly at all , hopefully more people watch the v ideo cuz its so painful rn
Is there a variation without hellfire?
No that does the most damage
is sniping skill useless i any case ?
How do you have 14 active skills ? On ps5 you can only have 12
does it work on global patch?
Spear dagger rotation pls
When do we get 4 more skill usage slots?
@ilias4082 where we can use 16skills?
do another bow /staff build with RUNES lord, pls
Need PVP rotation for bow and staff
using burning smokescreen with the first two specializations to look for bellandir is not feasible?
no the bellandir is not for single target dps just let it proc from meteor or fire bomb, you want the skills to hit hard
How do I find a group for dimensional trial?
I don’t see a find button like for dungeons.
You can't que like regular dungeons. You have to join a group in and it's only from your server, I believe.
@ you mean like manually forming a group?
@@rodrigoruiz976 yes
what if I used Staff/Bow?
nice passive skills :P can you show them ?
questlog.gg/throne-and-liberty/en/character-builder/WinnerOfTheVictory?build-id=163371
At 3:38 when you say now won’t you have a look at my cooldown. I don’t see no difference. You can tell by how blitz cd is ticking. It’s not ticking any faster. What am I missing?
So blitz doesn’t work. But all the others do. Why is that?
@@captainbrazuca8301 the skill itself says it is unaffected by cd reduction
@@LastLordTime Ty. Not home so first skill I wanted to see if we were able to have cdr, but did not know it was like that. Thanks for pointing it out and that explains why
So ise this in groups even if im the only bow/staff?
u can yeah
letsgo!
can u make a video for bow spear thx :D
Why blitz the mark when there is a specialization that adds another mark, genuine question?
He literally explained it in the video 😆
@StickySubstance Im stupid, type it here
the specialization adds an extra bullseye stack, not deadly marker. translations are bad, don't trust them. bullseye is what you get for using strafing.
he explained it
@@tyrant3191 thank you. God . The bad translation is a major turnoff. Insanely hard to get detail mechanics right.
Passive pls?
Why waste 5 pts on JL with Damage Transfer? That doesn't do anything extra to a single target, does it?
It's left over points
@Whelps ah. Thx.
Another question: Why ice shard over sniping? The latter hits like a truck. Is it the charge?
@@mcdonamw 8hits from ice shard = more cd reduction than 1 single attk
@@chrisgould1851 gotcha, thx
@thewhelps so with this change and since cool downs are so fast now should we not even bother with cdr on gear/masteries and focus more towards dmg/atk speed/etc?
I feel like with this new rotation the gear could be reworked some for the current t1 bis set
it's not like CD clashes with traits like atk speed or anything, if it's available you take it, it still helps with base CD anyway, for PvE gear of course
Why is your casting time 0,5s for fireball?
attack speed
attack speed reduces casting time, this is also on KR so more geared so attack speed is probably higher
Que videos bons parece até que estou na universidade, pois gosto de estudar. Parabens de verdade. Filhote
Can we get a bow/crossbow guide pve
I suspect Whelps has high enough crit hit chance to proc cooldown reduction in the many hits. I'm strugling with the Bow passive Steady Aim. I'm trying to boost my crit chance via Steady aim. In theory it should proc when firing on bound or opressed targets. And ICE prison with Bound + Icy Mire should give me targets proccing steady aim for 15 secs. It should even work on bosses since targets immune to Bind should instead be opressed. BUT Translation is so bad and its hard to really test on the dummies. I have a feeling that steady aim mechanics actually only works with ensnaring arrow. Also the reason Whelps is sidestepping SteadyAim which in conceptually from other games is a powerfull skill. Can anybody confirm?
Maybe it's good for 20-30s fight. Otherwise you just shoot arrows... Cooldowns are too high. In 1 min I make 440k damage with chain lighting and decisive sniping. With this only 350k.
this is for party not solo dummy dps
Does this still work with the global Blitz cooldown of 60s at lvl 5? Why in this video your blitz cooldown is 45s?
Edit: sorry I noobed 😭
blitz has cd specialization lol
45 sec for BLITZ....how you made it?
lvl 5 + specialization for -15 sec cd
@@double_boubles Ty
been doing this since i got to level 50.
The devs all must be bow player. There is no other explanation really.... first came Flash Wave meta in PvP, now comes the Deadly Marker in PvE... what the hell is going on with these devs.
Without both those abilities bow would be F tier,personally i hope flashwave is changed/gutted in favor of buffing bow small scale/single target
Can you show the passives and masteries
would you still consider the skill setup when using belandir staff (inferno wave applys more burn so higher chance to the effect to proc)?
The proc is not important for single target dps, you could use infernal over zephyr tho maybe
it doesnt say natures blessing doubles gale stack
it's the whirlpool
They’re 100% nerfing this
Pray to God. It makes playing any other build pointless- gets you kicked from party.
except player in global still sucks most of the time, so we kinda need to have flashwaves to heal other player in random coop 😂. i always play on random coop that's why there is nothing I can do about it, 90% of the time I use flashwaves only for teammates never really for myself unfortunately
Hello Whelps, in your questlog in this skill build you have staff first, this rotation is for staff first weapon?
By the way i think this sometimes bugs.. i was in a world boss, i put 2 deadly marker and others put more 3, and the cooldown still the same xd
Did u try Mark + Brutal Arrow (Full specialization)
Both are same cd if know how to play correctly
2 mark overall is better as it's for the whole party meanwhile brutal arrow is only foryourself and I don't mean about the CDR but the amount of hits you would be doing with brutal arrow compared to 6 people hitting with 2 markers
Why would i want brutal arrow spam when i could spam meteor/fb/etc all with full buff uptime and buffing regen/cdr for the party more as well?
Brutal arrow base dmg way too low to compare to giving up all that + the constant burn stacks add up a lot and boost your heavy atk from passives..
I hardly ever see anyone use brutal arrow cuz it's kind of meme build