The more I come across this men/women issue in the spiritual realm, the more I realized how I , as a man, should live biblically and be a role model to my wife and kids so that this simple biblical men and women role doesn't confuse my next generation and no twist and turn can fool my future generations. Cultures may change but God's words won't change. As a man and a father, I always try to encourage other men to get back to their manhood role which was designed by God which is the head of men is Christ, not to hind under women otherwise we, the men, will end up confusing our women and that's the perfect weak spot the Satan is waiting for.
God calls women into ministry. Paul said help those women in ministry God has called one of my daughters into ministry at the age of 9. She was listened by the Presbyterian church at age 11.
This is the first time I've heard a pastor explain the fall of mankind without blaming the woman, or saying women are more prone to temptation and sin than men. Very well explained. God bless
Thank you, Pastor Guzik, for a very thorough explanation of these scriptures, as they are written. You are clearly led by the Holy Spirit. Glory to God!
This video certainly brought out the naysayers! People rejecting scripture and attacking the messenger. Thank you for not cowering to society and for continuing to teach the Word of God as it is.
For sure this was really good, I am blessed. I repent where i exercised authority over male authority in the Church...i ask God to help me be submissive to the male authority in the Church and in my marital home when the time comes in Jesus' Name
this message turned my world upside down, I don't like it but I can not argue against it. David Guzik presented scripture and kept his own opinions out of it as best I can tell. This is a message that has to be digested and thought about, It goes against the culture and my personal feelings. But God is God and this is his world not mine
Thank you for your honest and godly exposition of the word. I was recently told i dont love Jesus and i was a heretc. Some guy made a comment on a video and i said he was wrong and he said i needed to be quiet because no woman should have authority over him yours is the best teaching i have heard so far on this topic. Ty i use your commentary all the time on blue letter bible.
Amen! This is what the Lord has ministered to my husband and myself and we just fully stand on His Word, the only Truth! We have to remain in His Word, regardless of what is happening in the world and in the church!
By Gods Grace , He gave her the ability to live through those camps, it His will to let her testify. If you and I stand the test, possibly He would let us inspire others sharing HIS keeping power. 🕊
I expect that when Corrie Ten Boom spoke, she was not teaching or preaching but relating her experience in the second world war and how God was with them and helped them get through an awful time. She gave testimony to God,s faithfulness to them during that time. She was not teaching, she was telling, or relating her own experience.
The word of God is very clear. Its either you receive it or not. Unforfortunately in today's church, the opposite seems the case. However, Blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey it. ❤
It is so sad that even people in the Church are in such rebellion that this teaching has to be approached with kid gloves. Oh how society has been so disrupted by modern philosophical, psychology and yes humanistic thought. Let's pray that we as the church are in complete submission to our Father God and His laws and ordinances.
Amen let your women keep ailence in the churches 1 corinthians 14:34. Speak the truth regardless David! I'm glad there are people out there who are actually unashamed of Jesus' Holy Word. Not a lot out there unfortunately...
This was a passage I had a lot of trouble with as well as some from Corinthians that you mentioned. Thank you for explaining the "silence" meaning "peacably" thing. As well as the head coverings meaning they had authority over them. That has really helped. I also really appreciated you talking about how authority is not a matter of superiority or inferiority. I don't know if you ever answer questions, but I am curious about what you think or what scripture says I guess about how women should play a role of a spiritual or biblical teaching nature in the home when her husband won't step up to that plate or when her husband is unsaved. Thank you! God bless!
It is wonderful and a very godly thing for moms to teach their children about the things of God. If a father isn't saved, or isn't leading the home in this way, it is great when a mom takes that responsibility.
Excellent work pastor!! Love your reasoning. Verse 15 explanation has a problem because. Jesus already came died rose before this was written. The tense is “will” an ongoing. That is the hole in see in this interpretation.
Thank you for the sermon. As a woman, I have tried to understand this topic since I was saved over 20 years ago. Thank you for the clear teaching which confirms what I have believed so far. Regarding the one verse you’ve talked about 2 Timothy 2:15, which I understand that you also had a hard time understanding what it exactly means, it sounds that not very possible meaning that woman will be “saved” through the birth of Christ, since there is “if…” clause right after it. I don’t know the original Greek, but is the ”save” here the same meaning as “work out your own salvation” in Philippians 2:12 , if that is the case, can we interpret the verse as “ women will become more like Christ” through childbearing(which includes rearing up children not just childbirth ?) - taking care of their own kids/taking care of the kids in the church etc, since the previous verses are combating the idea of “women have the tendency to be ‘more spiritual’ by usurping the authority God has ordained for men in the church” ? Personally I think this will best fit the verse of 2:15, which is also aligned with the teachings regarding woman’s role in the book of Titus. Any comments? Thank you.
When Jesus healed a man on the sabbath, the Pharisees got angry with him for breaking the rules. He said, (paraphrased) 'Who among you would not save a sheep who had fallen down a well just b/c it happened on the sabbath? And, how much more important are people!?' OK, so switch "sabbath" with "female". 'Who among you would not save a sheep (sinner) who had fallen down a well just b/c the one to help might be a woman?' Would G-d really prefer there to be no church rather than a church led by a woman? B/c in some places, there might only be women available... Is it possible that Paul simply had a bad opinion here?
J B, I agree that there may be some exceptional circumstances, such as you mention a situation where the choice is between "no pastor" and a woman pastor. However, I don't believe that exceptional circumstances don't establish the normal custom for the church. Thanks for your comment and blessings to you
Love the clear teaching of God’s Word, thank you. One, hopefully constructive and well-received, recommendation is not to scream at your audience, as if your mic doesn’t work or that we are all deaf. The loud forceful voice is very irritating to a lot of people (like those in my family) who have sensitivity to loud noises/voices. I can make it through the lesson, and I would love my husband and my two adult young adults to hear it, but know that they would not due to the screaming tone. It is good to be excited about delivering God’s Word, but I find it easier to hear and listen to your softer side. Thanks for using your knowledge to serve our Lord. Blessing to you and your family.
I’m just the opposite. Luckily you can turn the volume down, I can only turn it up so far. I was in church yesterday wishing man, I wish my pastor had the voice of David Guzik. Lol
Kathryn Kulhman was a great women who held conference by the power of the holy spirit and God healed and restored many. I know many great women that God is using humbly to save other by the power of God
A woman should be silent (peaceable), without contention, submissive when inside the church gathering... aren't men should be the same as well? Are you telling me women tends to be more loud and men are the quiet and logical? Women needs to be submissive to authority when inside the church... aren't men should be submissive as well inside the church gathering? Is that what the Apostle Paul actually meant by silent or submissive?
if women teaches any scripture is she not teaching doctrine?? Paul applauds Timothy's mother and grandmother for teaching timothy since he was a child. I have the gift of being gently confrontive and of encouragement. i say this according to what Men have said to me. so unless some man says anything to me in the church i do not intend to change. I explain biblical doctrine and I question for clarity when no one else does. I do it quietly and or gently.
The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13-14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, since pastoring definitely includes preaching, teaching publicly, and exercising spiritual authority. The fact that Eve was deceived is also given as a reason for women not serving as pastors or having spiritual authority over men (1 Timothy 2:14). This does not mean that women are gullible or that they are all more easily deceived than men. If all women are more easily deceived, why would they be allowed to teach children (who are easily deceived) and other women (who are supposedly more easily deceived)? The text simply says that women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. God has chosen to give men the primary teaching authority in the church. God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This does not imply men are better teachers or that women are inferior or less intelligent. It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership-in their lives and through their words. Women are also to set an example in their lives, but in a different way (1 Peter 3:1-6). Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching or having spiritual authority over men. This bars women from serving as pastors to men. This does not make women less important, by any means; rather, it gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with God’s design.
You are so welcome, thank you for your kind words and appreciation! Here is a well written answer that addresses the issue of braided hair, mentioned in 1 Peter 3:3-5 and 1 Timothy 2:9-10. It reasons that the mentions of braided hair are cautions against a focus and reliance on outward beauty; they are examples of things that should never be the Source of our attention or value, that instead, our spiritual life and the fruits of the Spirit should shine far brighter than any outward appearances. A Christian women's beauty should first comes from the Lord and the Holy Spirit, rather than first from the adornments and outward appearance. Braided hair is therefore mentioned to contrast the true beauty that comes from following Christ very closely, with the outward, earthly beauty that is seen in the world. www.gotquestions.org/braided-hair.html
The answer to that, is in 1 Corinthians 11 as well, concerning not having women submitting to just any man that speaks to her but as Paul says "In the Lord", such as of course men of God! 11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
Pastor Guzik, 1 Timothy 2:8 is saying that ONLY MEN must Pray EVERYWHERE (every gathering). But then 1 Corinthians 11:5 says women CAN pray publicly under a man’s authority. This sounds contradictory. Either ITS MEN praying everywhere ONLY OR WOMEN too; Either Men ONLY can lead public worship OR women too? Your commentary affirms these positions. Can u help with this pls.
Thanks for your questions. Paul isn't saying that ONLY men should pray, but simple that they should pray. Paul was writing to Timothy, who was pastoring in Ephesus. The church was going through many struggles, and Paul is writing to Timothy about how to correct the problems. So public prayer is not restricted to men, but the men should be involved. One could argue that the men WERE NOT praying, and that Paul is telling Timothy to get them to be praying. The situation seems to be this: The women were exerting a carnal attitude about being under the leadership of the men. Corinth was an extremely promiscuous city, and the temple prostitutes shaved their heads. The manifestation of a Christian woman being under the leadership of her husband (in that culture), was that she would cover her head. So the problem doesn't seem to be that they were praying publicly, but that they were doing so with a rebellious attitude about male leadership. Paul's corrective words weren't that women should not pray in public, but that they should do so without a rebellious spirit. Both man and women can and should pray in public gatherings. Hope this helps.
Verse 15: Can this verse be linked to Galatians 4:19 as to being more effective in protecting children at home and Sunday School as well as 'infants in Christ' from falling away, by laying a strong foundation, with gentleness and care?
I don't think all submission refers to men - I think it refers to the Word of God. We, women need to learn with all submission the Word of God. But what if the leadership of the church is teaching false doctrine? We are not commanded to learn from them with all submission - I wouldn't think. The apostle Paul is talking about false teachers as well, how they are infiltrating the churches - and we can see that today! There are so many churches and I think we need to emphasize the reality of 1 Peter 3:1-2 which clearly says that women are able and have permission to seek the Word of God AND keep it even when our husbands don't believe the Word. And initially I thought this passage in 1 Peter 3:1-2 talks only about non-believer husbands, but the more I talk to Christian married women, the more I observe them trying to teach their husband the part of the Word that they, the women, are ready to learn. That's not right. That is usurping authority and trying to dominate men (I used to do this a lot before I was saved). I think maybe we need to be more specific in these matters because some Christian women actually believe they cannot keep Jesus' Commandments unless their husbands do their part - which is clearly not true according to 1 Peter 3:1-2. This line of thinking is codependent in fact, and against God's Word. So while women shouldn't teach men without their will and try to usurp authority, this doesn't mean women shouldn't study the Word of God themselves and compare everything they hear with the Word of God. Jesus corrected the Jewish religious leaders at the time a LOT I would say - and they are the ones who were teaching both men and women about God. And they had it wrong, according to Jesus. So I'd say: all submission to the Word of God and therefore learning to read the Bible and study it and apply it according to Jesus' Instructions in Matthew 4:1-11, and then submission to human authority which can absolutely be wrong!! I wanted to add this in particular for my generation (millennial) because we were raised to be codependent by the false teaching of the punishment-reward system and unfortunately I met many women who get all their knowledge from going to church and have no time in the Word of God themselves, but are also waiting for their husbands to lead them thinking they don't have to keep Jesus' Commandments unless their husbands do - which, Jesus never ever encourages! I think all His Commandments are independent of other people. :) :) :)
About the comment I made above - I am a woman, and I wrote to you, who are a man and a leader in the church. Does this "dynamic" make my comment less true or valid just because I'm a woman? I wonder.
You are correct that men and women should read God's word and learn on an individual level. Private reading, studying, and devotions are not usurping authority at all. If a woman's husband isn'g leading her, it is wise for that woman to continue to read God's word on her own. Thanks for writing!
We read regarding the Lord's command for the silence of women in the church assemblies. "As in all the congregations of the saints, 34 women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35 If they want to enquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. 36 Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37 If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that **what I am writing to you is the Lord's command**. 38 If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored" 1 Corinthians 14:33-38 (ANIV)
It's interesting to note that in 1 Corinthians 11, Paul spoke of women who prayed and prophesied in church. He did not forbid that, but only told them that they should present themselves properly. Blessings to you!
I would have thought Paul would have said she IS saved in the childbirth instead of will be since the death and resurrection had already happened. I don’t think anyone can say for sure what Paul meant by writing that. I know I have my salvation thanks to Jesus paying the price for me so I’m not going to dwell on the one verse that no one can figure out. Lol
What of all the history of the universal Christian churches practice of wearing an actual physical head covering. Look at where our present culture has gone when the women's lib movement came to be in the 60's. Bible teachers must be careful in saying that head coverings were only a cultural practice during Apostle Paul's time.
With head coverings he uses the because of the angels it has nothing to do with culture either I agree with this teaching but I think head Coverings applies in the same exact way you are teaching this text
Thank you for blessing is with your teachings. I have a question. So is it not biblical for women, who have been trained under the authority of the church where the Pastors and elders are male, to preach at a Sunday service? I'm still a little unclear. Please could you clarify this for me. Thank you. 🙏
Pastor Lance replies - As per this passage, generally speaking, it is the assignment of elders/pastors to teach and preach. Women cannot be elders/pastors. BUT: Can a woman, on occasion, speak and even teach at a church service? IF - it is clear to all that she does so at the behest and under the authority of the God-ordained male leadership of the church. But that needs to be clear to all, and ought not be something that is regular, as that would confuse people on exactly WHAT role she plays in ministry at that church. If teaching and preaching is the assignment/duty of elders/pastors, and a woman does not have that title, but REGULARLY teaches, she's functioning as an elder without the title. A woman ought not be either called an elder/pastor or function as one.
I got women Pastors, Evangelists in my family. they traveling.all over the world international. You sound so crazy in your teaching concerning women in "Leadership Role".in the church. All the women in your church they need to leave and go to other churches. God is the one that call indivduals to ministry not men.
God has explicitly ordered by design and command that in various contexts women are not permitted authority over men. And in certain contexts, the women are commanded to submit to certain men in anything that is not sin. That's unconditionally commanded in the new testament and is repeatedly predicated upon God's created order and On God's command. None of these women in the new testament were ordained leaders or had authority over men...saying so is scripture twisting. Priscilla was not an elder...she was godly and submitted to her husband Aquila. Mary Magdalene was not exercising Authority at all. There are specific relationships where Authority is expounded on, and with the exception of a mother to children, every mention of those relationships where there is Authority and there is both man and woman it is unequivocal that The Authority is possessed by the male and submission is commanded by the female. There are other types of relationships that don't have an element of authority, but there is to be leadership and Authority within the church and there is to be within the family and that is absolutely to be held by the adult male, whether it's a qualified elder or whether it's the husband. To go against this is to radically defy God. There is no egalitarianism for women preaching and teaching in the Church assemblies in the NT. Scripture. Jesus was not secretly trying to usher in egalitarianism. For he commands women in 1 Corinthians 14:33-38 to remain SILENT in the church assemblies. God has commands that require there to be a male leadership or male headship in all areas of family dealings and those commands also require that women under those particular authorities be submissive, not contentious, and never trying to usurp the authority. You can see this clearly in 1st Timothy 2, 1st Peter 3, Ephesians 5, Titus 2, 1st Corinthians 11, Genesis 2, Genesis 3, 1st Corinthians 14, and so many other passages of scripture. I would exhort anyone who is questioning the subject or who is being deceived by the lie of egalitarianism to repent of that and truly look to what Almighty God has to say about the way that He has ordered the church, wives and husbands commanded roles in the family, etc, etc. Today arrogant people fight against God's established order because they have become rebellious and reprobates, as the secular evil of feminism has brain-washed them into striving for 'women's empowerment' and so sinfully usurping the authority of men in the hope of bringing the evil of 'egalitarianism' into the church assemblies. So God has sent the following punishment. "They refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness" 2 Thessalonians 2:10-13 (ESV)
You are wrong about the women and having authority over men. It's the same in politics and work positions same as our children in school. If it's taught in church and the home. Then it should be practiced in life.
the bible doesnt give permission to women to lead the congregation neither are they condemed when aword is removed or added onto it. prophecy is different from teaching or preaching
Verbosity is a sure sign that the speaker cannot explain clearly and demonstrates confusion. So with great confidence this man demonstrates that he does not understand this scripture.
He is wrong, and any other Biblical devils who delibrately ignore and deny the Scripture teaching regarding the Lord's commandment for the silence of women in the church assemblies, and refuse to accept St. Paul's Christ-approved insistence......for women! "11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." 1 Timothy 2:11-14 (KJV)
The word silence in verse 11 is defined in Strong's concordance in the following way: quietness; description of the life of one who stays at home doing his own work, and does not officiously meddle with the affairs of others; silence. The same Greek word is found in verse 2 when Paul wrote the word "peace". So verse 11 could mean that women should keep quiet and learn, or it could mean that would should have tranquil, peaceful lives, and learn. The context of the chapter seems to indicate the men weren't leading and women were trying to lead. That would seem to indicate that Paul was telling the men to pray and lead, and the women to have tranquil hearts and be the women that God called them to be. The word "saved" in verse 15 is the Greek word "sozo", which indicates justification or wholeness/healing/completeness. Paul seems to be indicating that if the women would be the women that God called them to be, then there would be wholeness and tranquility within their hearts. Hopeful this is helpful. Blessings!
@@DavidGuzikEnduringWord Quite so, David. Also we read regarding the Lord's command for the silence of women in the church assemblies. "As in all the congregations of the saints, 34 women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35 If they want to enquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. 36 Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37 If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that **what I am writing to you is the Lord's command**. 38 If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored" 1 Corinthians 14:33-38 (ANIV)
He is wrong, any who ignore and deny the Scripture teaching regarding the Lord's commandment for the silence of women in the church assemblies, and refuse to accept St. Paul's Christ-approved insistence......for women! "11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." 1 Timothy 2:11-14 (KJV) Are indeed, Reprobates and Heretics.....
Eve didn’t transgress Adam did... Eve sinned and was forgiven .. Adam was obviously made MAN AND WOMAN in one body ... he took EVE from him... That’s why the seed of Christ was not given by a MAN. !
Deb, the scripture says what it says. We all need to decide whether we believe God's word or not. Admittedly. there are challenging passages that we must interpret. But we are on dangerous ground if we dismiss what God has said. Regarding this passage, it clearly says that Eve sinned. I. the book of Romans, we see that the main blame was place upon Adam.But thank God that the sacrifice of Jesus conquers what Adam did for everyone who will follow Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:12-14 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. Romans 5:12-15 12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned- 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the [e]offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.
@@DavidGuzikEnduringWord But the word TURNING in genesis from the Greek Septuagint has been changed to desire, then lust...rabbis changed text also. Read this book:- gods word to woman written in the 1800s closer to the time of the text. Let me ask you:- if we are kings and priests, and are to avoid alcohol.. 1 do you drink alcohol 2 did Paul suggest to timothy to drink pure grape juice or wine for his stomach, this is relaxant because you said on one occasion PAUL ASSUMED! Now if Paul assumed, then that’s not the word of god. If this wine text is not clear how can the others be. Especially if you dissect the text from the original text. The words are different therefore submitting woman.
@@debtaylor4989 Deb, I invite you to read my detailed exposition of this passage on my website. Having extended dialogues on RUclips doesn't work well. Enduring Word is available to answer brief questions, but beyond that, I?we cannot get into long debates with people due to the enormous amount of letters that we receive. Please understand that. Here's the link to my commentary on that passage. I hope that it is helpful to you. Blessings in Jesus. enduringword.com/bible-commentary/1-timothy-2/
In the Military there are women in Authority in the Air force... I am from a Military Family. All of my family members who are male and female 6 of them all in a higher ranking Officer position in the Military. l was a officer in the Military and I am well educated.. I have been in the Air Force as a Officer and in a leadership role. And worked with govwrnment officials for 10 years. I am working in the Criminal Justice System with all men in a leader role. Therefore, I am well educated with a degrees in Ed.D, MS, MPA, HEA, MTh, PH, CCDVC. And God is using me in a leadership role in the church. I am preaching, teaching. I have been serving in Prision Ministry and working with government officials as a women minister. Finally, I dont agree with your teaching. You dont have Sound Teaching on the role concerning Men and Women in ministry.. You are twisting the scriptures. There is no where in the scriptures that God said that a "women"can not be in a Leadership role in the "Church" This scripture you teaching is to keep women out of the role in authority in the "church" In the Anicient culture men was education then the woman. Genesis 2, 3 chapters God speak of equality in these chapters among men and women. You dont not have Sound Doctrine. God was saying that "Headship" was given to the men in the Home. God gave Adam and Eve authority in the begining. You are taking scriptures out of content. Please stop teaching tbis Subject. You are lieing about the roles of men and women in church. Please stop twisting scriptures and get on off Ytube with tbat foolishness. The first century church Apostle Paul are not saying women can not be in the role of leadership in the church. You wil not find that in bible that women can not be in leadership role in church. You need more Biblical Training. You have false teaching on this subject. Please get off ytube. Stop twisting God Word. I have a Theology Ediucation training background.. I am a former professor at a University. Ed.D Adams, i am a woman.
There are a lot of misdirections in this sermon. It lacks understanding of the Hebrew language, a misunderstanding of ancient Jewish, Greek and Roman culture and the radicalness of women's acceptance in the Bible. To weigh the percentage of women prophets/leaders vs male prophets/leaders is pointless... Yes Jesus did not "blow the doors off patriarchy" because God does not hit us over the head with anything... but He patiently infuses change and right-mindedness in the Scriptures. In a culture of masculine dominance, women shine out as radical examples of how God sees humans. Division and tribalism (us vs them, men vs women) is not of God, but of human mental frailty and the desire for power. The fact that the Bible (written in a time of masculine dominance) mentions women at all is radical. Jesus called on a woman (the Samaritan woman at the well) to teach the Samaritans the Good News of Jesus and she changed the hearts of many (John 4:39). Mary Magdalen, when she saw the risen Jesus, ran to the followers of Jesus and announced the Good News. Jesus commissioned women to change hearts. The resurrection of Jesus and the commission of the Holy Spirit changes everything... God does not give a lesser Spirit into the heart of a woman... we are equal in all things under the love of God and healing power of Jesus. Let's stop the division and celebrate the gifts God has given us! This preacher says that men are "wired to respect male spiritual authority"... and he sees this as a good thing... but I suggest that this is exactly the problem.
You are mistaken. God has explicitly ordered by design and command that in various contexts women are not permitted authority over adult men at all. And in certain contexts the women are commanded to submit to certain men in anything that is not sin. That's unconditionally commanded in the new testament and is repeatedly predicated upon God's created order and On God's command. None of these women in the new testament were leaders or had authority over men...saying so is scripture twisting. Priscilla was not an elder...she was godly and submitted to her husband Aquila. Mary Magdalene was not exercising Authority at all. There are specific relationships where Authority is expounded on, and with the exception of a mother two children, every mention of those relationships where there is Authority and there is both man and woman it is unequivocal that The Authority is possessed by the mail and submission is commanded to the female. There are other types of relationships that don't have an element of authority, but there is to be leadership and Authority within the church and there is to be within the family and that is absolutely to be held by the adult male, whether it's a qualified elder or whether it's the husband. To go against this is to radically defy God. There is no hint of egalitarianism anywhere in the scripture. Jesus was not secretly trying to usher in egalitarianism. God has commands that require there to be a male leadership or male headship in certain areas and those commands also require that women under those particular authorities be submissive, not contentious, and never trying to usurp the authority. You can see this clearly in 1st Timothy 2, 1st Peter 3, Ephesians 5, Titus 2, 1st Corinthians 11, Genesis 2, Genesis 3, 1st Corinthians 14, and so many other passages of scripture. I would exhort anyone who is questioning the subject or who is being deceived by the lie of egalitarianism to repent of that and truly look to what God has to say about the way that he has ordered the church, the family, the civil magistrate, and so forth.
@Kristina Amen! We lose so much when we don't take historical context into consideration. So many people put their blinders on and interpret the Bible through their own 20th century mindset... by doing so they miss so many beautiful nuggets of truth that are there for all who seek!
"11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I ***suffer not a woman to teach***, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to ***be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression" 1 Tim 2:11-14 (KJV) That is God's declared Will on the subject, and so is irrevocable! Only the "Devil and his angels" will contend differently, fooling and deceiving the weak and feeble-minded!
@Kelly "11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I ***suffer not a woman to teach***, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to ***be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression" 1 Tim 2:11-14 (KJV) That is God's declared Will on the subject, and so is irrevocable! Only the "Devil and his angels" will contend differently, fooling and deceiving the weak and feeble-minded!
The intention wasn't to be harsh, but loving and firm. This is a highly argued about section, but no offense was intended, that's for sure! Blessings in Jesus!
I strongly disagree with the statement...... The scriptures doesn't teach that woman should not be in Submission to man in Society. If you study the CULTURE at the time, their way of living was base on the Torah and it is CLEARLY in the Old Testament what were the rules stablish by GOD. All you have to do is read Deuteronomy and Leviticus. Their Culture was MONOTHEISTIC, base and ruled by the laws dictated, study and teach through Generations. For example, a woman couldn't be a Rabbi, she couldn't hold any Political Position, she couldn't hold any Authority Position and she couldn't own slaves. As a matter of fact she couldn't even have the inheritance of his father (Moses makes an exception to this). I don't know why he keeps repeating the same concept when in reality is WRONG!
The more I come across this men/women issue in the spiritual realm, the more I realized how I , as a man, should live biblically and be a role model to my wife and kids so that this simple biblical men and women role doesn't confuse my next generation and no twist and turn can fool my future generations. Cultures may change but God's words won't change. As a man and a father, I always try to encourage other men to get back to their manhood role which was designed by God which is the head of men is Christ, not to hind under women otherwise we, the men, will end up confusing our women and that's the perfect weak spot the Satan is waiting for.
Amen and amen! Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us!
God calls women into ministry. Paul said help those women in ministry
God has called one of my daughters into ministry at the age of 9. She was listened by the Presbyterian church at age 11.
This is the first time I've heard a pastor explain the fall of mankind without blaming the woman, or saying women are more prone to temptation and sin than men. Very well explained. God bless
As a gospel preacher, i really appreciated your approach, your simplicity in dealing with this section of scripture.
Blessings!
Thank you, Pastor Guzik, for a very thorough explanation of these scriptures, as they are written. You are clearly led by the Holy Spirit. Glory to God!
Wow! This is the best biblical explanation and application I've ever listened to on this problematically and confusingly misunderstood passage.
This video certainly brought out the naysayers! People rejecting scripture and attacking the messenger.
Thank you for not cowering to society and for continuing to teach the Word of God as it is.
I think this is one of the best and objective talks on this subject I ever heard.
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For sure this was really good, I am blessed. I repent where i exercised authority over male authority in the Church...i ask God to help me be submissive to the male authority in the Church and in my marital home when the time comes in Jesus' Name
this message turned my world upside down, I don't like it but I can not argue against it. David Guzik presented scripture and kept his own opinions out of it as best I can tell. This is a message that has to be digested and thought about, It goes against the culture and my personal feelings. But God is God and this is his world not mine
Les, thanks for sharing your heart with us. Blessings in Jesus!
Thank you for your honest and godly exposition of the word. I was recently told i dont love Jesus and i was a heretc. Some guy made a comment on a video and i said he was wrong and he said i needed to be quiet because no woman should have authority over him yours is the best teaching i have heard so far on this topic. Ty i use your commentary all the time on blue letter bible.
Amen! This is what the Lord has ministered to my husband and myself and we just fully stand on His Word, the only Truth! We have to remain in His Word, regardless of what is happening in the world and in the church!
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I believe this was the best I ever heard on wemen having authority 0ver men as pastors .🙏
Thank you Nancy, God bless you!
Explanation perfect. God has Gracefully Blessed you Pastor Guzik!!!!!!!
I would have loved to hear Corrie Ten Boom speak; it would have been the cherry on the top of my day !
Me too! I've read several of her books and heard recordings of her speaking. Never heard her speak in person.
By Gods Grace , He gave her the ability to live through those camps, it His will to let her testify. If you and I stand the test, possibly He would let us inspire others sharing HIS keeping power.
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Yes, she gave a wonderful testimony of God,s love and faithfulness and how He saw her through a horrible time.
@@DavidGuzikEnduringWord I got to hear her speak several times before her death when I was in the UPC church. It was such a blessing.
Thank you for this excellent exegesis of God’s Word … Well done!
Read gods word to woman by Kathleen bushnell written in 1800s with your bible open and see what you think from the Septuagint Greek true writing!
I expect that when Corrie Ten Boom spoke, she was not teaching or preaching but relating her experience in the second world war and how God was with them and helped them get through an awful time. She gave testimony to God,s faithfulness to them during that time. She was not teaching, she was telling, or relating her own experience.
The word of God is very clear. Its either you receive it or not. Unforfortunately in today's church, the opposite seems the case. However, Blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey it. ❤
One of the very best on this topic. Respect to you
Great teaching. Balanced. Best I've heard on this subject.
Keep teaching the pure word, just like it was written.
Isn't that what the Pharisees said?
'Thou shalt not heal on the sabbath...'
@@JB-ti7bl that's kind of a silly comment
@@JB-ti7blthe Pharisee’s twisted scripture. Absolutely nowhere in God’s Word does is say healing is permitted on the Sabbath.
@@JB-ti7blmakes no sense at all
It is so sad that even people in the Church are in such rebellion that this teaching has to be approached with kid gloves. Oh how society has been so disrupted by modern philosophical, psychology and yes humanistic thought. Let's pray that we as the church are in complete submission to our Father God and His laws and ordinances.
Thank you for the teaching Pastor.
You’re welcome, thank you for your support brother.
Amen let your women keep ailence in the churches 1 corinthians 14:34. Speak the truth regardless David! I'm glad there are people out there who are actually unashamed of Jesus' Holy Word. Not a lot out there unfortunately...
Sounds like you completely missed the context of this sermon AJ.
This sermon went right over your head didn’t it?
This was a passage I had a lot of trouble with as well as some from Corinthians that you mentioned. Thank you for explaining the "silence" meaning "peacably" thing. As well as the head coverings meaning they had authority over them. That has really helped. I also really appreciated you talking about how authority is not a matter of superiority or inferiority. I don't know if you ever answer questions, but I am curious about what you think or what scripture says I guess about how women should play a role of a spiritual or biblical teaching nature in the home when her husband won't step up to that plate or when her husband is unsaved. Thank you! God bless!
It is wonderful and a very godly thing for moms to teach their children about the things of God. If a father isn't saved, or isn't leading the home in this way, it is great when a mom takes that responsibility.
Looks like your answer is in your question there.
Thank you for this teaching! You are very easy to follow and come across very respectful and kind.
Thanks for your kind and encouraging words.
God's Divine Order of Creation, Authority, and Roles..
God loves men.
Excellent work pastor!! Love your reasoning. Verse 15 explanation has a problem because. Jesus already came died rose before this was written. The tense is “will” an ongoing. That is the hole in see in this interpretation.
Thank you for the sermon. As a woman, I have tried to understand this topic since I was saved over 20 years ago. Thank you for the clear teaching which confirms what I have believed so far. Regarding the one verse you’ve talked about 2 Timothy 2:15, which I understand that you also had a hard time understanding what it exactly means, it sounds that not very possible meaning that woman will be “saved” through the birth of Christ, since there is “if…” clause right after it. I don’t know the original Greek, but is the ”save” here the same meaning as “work out your own salvation” in Philippians 2:12 , if that is the case, can we interpret the verse as “ women will become more like Christ” through childbearing(which includes rearing up children not just childbirth ?) - taking care of their own kids/taking care of the kids in the church etc, since the previous verses are combating the idea of “women have the tendency to be ‘more spiritual’ by usurping the authority God has ordained for men in the church” ? Personally I think this will best fit the verse of 2:15, which is also aligned with the teachings regarding woman’s role in the book of Titus. Any comments? Thank you.
Thank you for your teaching on the subject - Great job
When Jesus healed a man on the sabbath, the Pharisees got angry with him for breaking the rules. He said, (paraphrased) 'Who among you would not save a sheep who had fallen down a well just b/c it happened on the sabbath? And, how much more important are people!?'
OK, so switch "sabbath" with "female". 'Who among you would not save a sheep (sinner) who had fallen down a well just b/c the one to help might be a woman?'
Would G-d really prefer there to be no church rather than a church led by a woman? B/c in some places, there might only be women available...
Is it possible that Paul simply had a bad opinion here?
J B, I agree that there may be some exceptional circumstances, such as you mention a situation where the choice is between "no pastor" and a woman pastor. However, I don't believe that exceptional circumstances don't establish the normal custom for the church. Thanks for your comment and blessings to you
I believe it was an opinion. Doesn’t say it’s mandatory, only honorary. Long as you live in faith, it’s pleasing to god no matter what gender
@@Silly518I agree!
Clear presentation of the order of things
Love the clear teaching of God’s Word, thank you. One, hopefully constructive and well-received, recommendation is not to scream at your audience, as if your mic doesn’t work or that we are all deaf. The loud forceful voice is very irritating to a lot of people (like those in my family) who have sensitivity to loud noises/voices. I can make it through the lesson, and I would love my husband and my two adult young adults to hear it, but know that they would not due to the screaming tone. It is good to be excited about delivering God’s Word, but I find it easier to hear and listen to your softer side. Thanks for using your knowledge to serve our Lord. Blessing to you and your family.
I felt the very same way
I’m just the opposite. Luckily you can turn the volume down, I can only turn it up so far. I was in church yesterday wishing man, I wish my pastor had the voice of David Guzik. Lol
Kathryn Kulhman was a great women who held conference by the power of the holy spirit and God healed and restored many. I know many great women that God is using humbly to save other by the power of God
If she was in disobedience it wasn't the holy spirit or God. It was just her. Even demons are successful and rich. Don't get it twisted .
Do some research on her. Look up a channel called Long for Truth. They have a telling video on her.
A woman should be silent (peaceable), without contention, submissive when inside the church gathering... aren't men should be the same as well? Are you telling me women tends to be more loud and men are the quiet and logical? Women needs to be submissive to authority when inside the church... aren't men should be submissive as well inside the church gathering? Is that what the Apostle Paul actually meant by silent or submissive?
I've been facing huge problem with this passage 1Timothy 2: 11-15. Somebody just told if you don't understand just follow what is written.
if women teaches any scripture is she not teaching doctrine?? Paul applauds Timothy's mother and grandmother for teaching timothy since he was a child. I have the gift of being gently confrontive and of encouragement. i say this according to what Men have said to me. so unless some man says anything to me in the church i do not intend to change. I explain biblical doctrine and I question for clarity when no one else does. I do it quietly and or gently.
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You are very welcome!
The problem in my Church, I sometimes am the only man. What do you do in that case?
Learn how to wear several different hats, I guess.
The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13-14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, since pastoring definitely includes preaching, teaching publicly, and exercising spiritual authority. The fact that Eve was deceived is also given as a reason for women not serving as pastors or having spiritual authority over men (1 Timothy 2:14). This does not mean that women are gullible or that they are all more easily deceived than men. If all women are more easily deceived, why would they be allowed to teach children (who are easily deceived) and other women (who are supposedly more easily deceived)? The text simply says that women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. God has chosen to give men the primary teaching authority in the church. God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This does not imply men are better teachers or that women are inferior or less intelligent. It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership-in their lives and through their words. Women are also to set an example in their lives, but in a different way (1 Peter 3:1-6). Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching or having spiritual authority over men. This bars women from serving as pastors to men. This does not make women less important, by any means; rather, it gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with God’s design.
Thank you and may God bless you for shedding light on this top.Can women wear braid and also cover their head
You are so welcome, thank you for your kind words and appreciation!
Here is a well written answer that addresses the issue of braided hair, mentioned in 1 Peter 3:3-5 and 1 Timothy 2:9-10. It reasons that the mentions of braided hair are cautions against a focus and reliance on outward beauty; they are examples of things that should never be the Source of our attention or value, that instead, our spiritual life and the fruits of the Spirit should shine far brighter than any outward appearances. A Christian women's beauty should first comes from the Lord and the Holy Spirit, rather than first from the adornments and outward appearance. Braided hair is therefore mentioned to contrast the true beauty that comes from following Christ very closely, with the outward, earthly beauty that is seen in the world.
www.gotquestions.org/braided-hair.html
The answer to that, is in 1 Corinthians 11 as well, concerning not having women submitting to just any man that speaks to her but as Paul says "In the Lord", such as of course men of God!
11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
In today's so called women pastors having authority in her own founded church as they say, this is the teaching needed to correct the norm.
Pastor Guzik, 1 Timothy 2:8 is saying that ONLY MEN must Pray EVERYWHERE (every gathering). But then 1 Corinthians 11:5 says women CAN pray publicly under a man’s authority. This sounds contradictory. Either ITS MEN praying everywhere ONLY OR WOMEN too; Either Men ONLY can lead public worship OR women too? Your commentary affirms these positions. Can u help with this pls.
Thanks for your questions.
Paul isn't saying that ONLY men should pray, but simple that they should pray. Paul was writing to Timothy, who was pastoring in Ephesus. The church was going through many struggles, and Paul is writing to Timothy about how to correct the problems. So public prayer is not restricted to men, but the men should be involved. One could argue that the men WERE NOT praying, and that Paul is telling Timothy to get them to be praying.
The situation seems to be this: The women were exerting a carnal attitude about being under the leadership of the men. Corinth was an extremely promiscuous city, and the temple prostitutes shaved their heads. The manifestation of a Christian woman being under the leadership of her husband (in that culture), was that she would cover her head. So the problem doesn't seem to be that they were praying publicly, but that they were doing so with a rebellious attitude about male leadership. Paul's corrective words weren't that women should not pray in public, but that they should do so without a rebellious spirit.
Both man and women can and should pray in public gatherings. Hope this helps.
Great job, David! Thank you :-)
Verse 15: Can this verse be linked to Galatians 4:19 as to being more effective in protecting children at home and Sunday School as well as 'infants in Christ' from falling away, by laying a strong foundation, with gentleness and care?
Hi Poorna,
Those verses d not seem to be connected in any way.
Thanks for the question. God bless you.
I don't think all submission refers to men - I think it refers to the Word of God. We, women need to learn with all submission the Word of God. But what if the leadership of the church is teaching false doctrine? We are not commanded to learn from them with all submission - I wouldn't think.
The apostle Paul is talking about false teachers as well, how they are infiltrating the churches - and we can see that today! There are so many churches and I think we need to emphasize the reality of 1 Peter 3:1-2 which clearly says that women are able and have permission to seek the Word of God AND keep it even when our husbands don't believe the Word.
And initially I thought this passage in 1 Peter 3:1-2 talks only about non-believer husbands, but the more I talk to Christian married women, the more I observe them trying to teach their husband the part of the Word that they, the women, are ready to learn. That's not right. That is usurping authority and trying to dominate men (I used to do this a lot before I was saved).
I think maybe we need to be more specific in these matters because some Christian women actually believe they cannot keep Jesus' Commandments unless their husbands do their part - which is clearly not true according to 1 Peter 3:1-2. This line of thinking is codependent in fact, and against God's Word.
So while women shouldn't teach men without their will and try to usurp authority, this doesn't mean women shouldn't study the Word of God themselves and compare everything they hear with the Word of God.
Jesus corrected the Jewish religious leaders at the time a LOT I would say - and they are the ones who were teaching both men and women about God. And they had it wrong, according to Jesus.
So I'd say: all submission to the Word of God and therefore learning to read the Bible and study it and apply it according to Jesus' Instructions in Matthew 4:1-11, and then submission to human authority which can absolutely be wrong!!
I wanted to add this in particular for my generation (millennial) because we were raised to be codependent by the false teaching of the punishment-reward system and unfortunately I met many women who get all their knowledge from going to church and have no time in the Word of God themselves, but are also waiting for their husbands to lead them thinking they don't have to keep Jesus' Commandments unless their husbands do - which, Jesus never ever encourages! I think all His Commandments are independent of other people. :) :) :)
About the comment I made above - I am a woman, and I wrote to you, who are a man and a leader in the church. Does this "dynamic" make my comment less true or valid just because I'm a woman? I wonder.
You are correct that men and women should read God's word and learn on an individual level. Private reading, studying, and devotions are not usurping authority at all. If a woman's husband isn'g leading her, it is wise for that woman to continue to read God's word on her own. Thanks for writing!
We read regarding the Lord's command for the silence of women in the church assemblies.
"As in all the congregations of the saints, 34 women should remain silent in the churches.
They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.
35 If they want to enquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
36 Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?
37 If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that **what I am writing to you is the Lord's command**.
38 If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored"
1 Corinthians 14:33-38 (ANIV)
It's interesting to note that in 1 Corinthians 11, Paul spoke of women who prayed and prophesied in church. He did not forbid that, but only told them that they should present themselves properly. Blessings to you!
I would have thought Paul would have said she IS saved in the childbirth instead of will be since the death and resurrection had already happened. I don’t think anyone can say for sure what Paul meant by writing that. I know I have my salvation thanks to Jesus paying the price for me so I’m not going to dwell on the one verse that no one can figure out. Lol
I head cover today and will forever it doesn’t have the same cultural connotation because of disobedience
What of all the history of the universal Christian churches practice of wearing an actual physical head covering. Look at where our present culture has gone when the women's lib movement came to be in the 60's. Bible teachers must be careful in saying that head coverings were only a cultural practice during Apostle Paul's time.
I realy like how you present this message with love for the church and passion for the Word.
Where can I find a husband who believes what you believe. Help
Where can I find a wife that believes this lol
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Thank you so much for this message!
Sadly, Corrie Ten Boom died in 1983.
Wonderful women and wonderfully inspirational.
With head coverings he uses the because of the angels it has nothing to do with culture either I agree with this teaching but I think head Coverings applies in the same exact way you are teaching this text
Thank you for blessing is with your teachings. I have a question. So is it not biblical for women, who have been trained under the authority of the church where the Pastors and elders are male, to preach at a Sunday service? I'm still a little unclear. Please could you clarify this for me. Thank you. 🙏
Pastor Lance replies - As per this passage, generally speaking, it is the assignment of elders/pastors to teach and preach. Women cannot be elders/pastors.
BUT: Can a woman, on occasion, speak and even teach at a church service? IF - it is clear to all that she does so at the behest and under the authority of the God-ordained male leadership of the church. But that needs to be clear to all, and ought not be something that is regular, as that would confuse people on exactly WHAT role she plays in ministry at that church. If teaching and preaching is the assignment/duty of elders/pastors, and a woman does not have that title, but REGULARLY teaches, she's functioning as an elder without the title. A woman ought not be either called an elder/pastor or function as one.
maybe "peaceably" could also mean not argumentative, but agreeable?
It can mean both of those things. Agreed!
I got women Pastors, Evangelists in my family. they traveling.all over the world international. You sound so crazy in your teaching concerning women in "Leadership Role".in the church. All the women in your church they need to leave and go to other churches. God is the one that call indivduals to ministry not men.
You just said Paul assumed,
This was excellent - thank you 🙌
Your not wrong.
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Keep teaching the true word of God, no matter who comes against you, no weapon formed against you shall prosper.
God does use women, but they are not to have authority over man not called to be pastor!! Read your bible people!!!
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God has explicitly ordered by design and command that in various contexts women are not permitted authority over men.
And in certain contexts, the women are commanded to submit to certain men in anything that is not sin.
That's unconditionally commanded in the new testament and is repeatedly predicated upon God's created order and On God's command.
None of these women in the new testament were ordained leaders or had authority over men...saying so is scripture twisting. Priscilla was not an elder...she was godly and submitted to her husband Aquila.
Mary Magdalene was not exercising Authority at all.
There are specific relationships where Authority is expounded on, and with the exception of a mother to children, every mention of those relationships where there is Authority and there is both man and woman it is unequivocal that
The Authority is possessed by the male and submission is commanded by the female.
There are other types of relationships that don't have an element of authority, but there is to be leadership and Authority within the church and there is to be within the family and that is absolutely to be held by the adult male, whether it's a qualified elder or whether it's the husband.
To go against this is to radically defy God.
There is no egalitarianism for women preaching and teaching in the Church assemblies in the NT. Scripture.
Jesus was not secretly trying to usher in egalitarianism. For he commands women in 1 Corinthians 14:33-38 to remain SILENT in the church assemblies.
God has commands that require there to be a male leadership or male headship in all areas of family dealings and those commands also require that women under those particular authorities be submissive, not contentious, and never trying to usurp the authority.
You can see this clearly in 1st Timothy 2, 1st Peter 3, Ephesians 5, Titus 2, 1st Corinthians 11, Genesis 2, Genesis 3, 1st Corinthians 14, and so many other passages of scripture.
I would exhort anyone who is questioning the subject or who is being deceived by the lie of egalitarianism to repent of that and truly look to what Almighty God has to say about the way that He has ordered the church, wives and husbands commanded roles in the family, etc, etc.
Today arrogant people fight against God's established order because they have become rebellious and reprobates, as the secular evil of feminism has brain-washed them into striving for 'women's empowerment' and so sinfully usurping the authority of men in the hope of bringing the evil of 'egalitarianism' into the church assemblies.
So God has sent the following punishment.
"They refused to love the truth and so be saved.
11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,
12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness"
2 Thessalonians 2:10-13 (ESV)
You are wrong about the women and having authority over men. It's the same in politics and work positions same as our children in school.
If it's taught in church and the home. Then it should be practiced in life.
the bible doesnt give permission to women to lead the congregation neither are they condemed when aword is removed or added onto it. prophecy is different from teaching or preaching
God has called MEN to be the PASTORS in the church 👍🏾
Verbosity is a sure sign that the speaker cannot explain clearly and demonstrates confusion. So with great confidence this man demonstrates that he does not understand this scripture.
He is wrong, and any other Biblical devils who delibrately ignore and deny the Scripture teaching regarding the Lord's commandment for the silence of women in the church assemblies, and refuse to accept St. Paul's Christ-approved insistence......for women!
"11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."
1 Timothy 2:11-14 (KJV)
The word silence in verse 11 is defined in Strong's concordance in the following way: quietness; description of the life of one who stays at home doing his own work, and does not officiously meddle with the affairs of others; silence.
The same Greek word is found in verse 2 when Paul wrote the word "peace". So verse 11 could mean that women should keep quiet and learn, or it could mean that would should have tranquil, peaceful lives, and learn.
The context of the chapter seems to indicate the men weren't leading and women were trying to lead. That would seem to indicate that Paul was telling the men to pray and lead, and the women to have tranquil hearts and be the women that God called them to be.
The word "saved" in verse 15 is the Greek word "sozo", which indicates justification or wholeness/healing/completeness. Paul seems to be indicating that if the women would be the women that God called them to be, then there would be wholeness and tranquility within their hearts.
Hopeful this is helpful. Blessings!
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Quite so, David.
Also we read regarding the Lord's command for the silence of women in the church assemblies.
"As in all the congregations of the saints, 34 women should remain silent in the churches.
They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.
35 If they want to enquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
36 Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?
37 If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that **what I am writing to you is the Lord's command**.
38 If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored"
1 Corinthians 14:33-38 (ANIV)
So, it refers to learning.
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........"12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man"
@@earnestlycontendingforthef5332 Do women not speak in any capacity at all in your church? No testifying, no singing, not even fellowship?
He is wrong, any who ignore and deny the Scripture teaching regarding the Lord's commandment for the silence of women in the church assemblies, and refuse to accept St. Paul's Christ-approved insistence......for women!
"11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."
1 Timothy 2:11-14 (KJV)
Are indeed, Reprobates and Heretics.....
Eve didn’t transgress Adam did... Eve sinned and was forgiven ..
Adam was obviously made MAN AND WOMAN in one body ... he took EVE from him...
That’s why the seed of Christ was not given by a MAN. !
Deb, the scripture says what it says. We all need to decide whether we believe God's word or not. Admittedly. there are challenging passages that we must interpret. But we are on dangerous ground if we dismiss what God has said.
Regarding this passage, it clearly says that Eve sinned. I. the book of Romans, we see that the main blame was place upon Adam.But thank God that the sacrifice of Jesus conquers what Adam did for everyone who will follow Jesus.
1 Timothy 2:12-14
12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
Romans 5:12-15
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned- 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the [e]offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.
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But the word TURNING in genesis from the Greek Septuagint has been changed to desire, then lust...rabbis changed text also.
Read this book:- gods word to woman written in the 1800s closer to the time of the text.
Let me ask you:- if we are kings and priests, and are to avoid alcohol..
1 do you drink alcohol
2 did Paul suggest to timothy to drink pure grape juice or wine for his stomach, this is relaxant because you said on one occasion PAUL ASSUMED! Now if Paul assumed, then that’s not the word of god. If this wine text is not clear how can the others be. Especially if you dissect the text from the original text. The words are different therefore submitting woman.
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@@debtaylor4989 Deb, I invite you to read my detailed exposition of this passage on my website. Having extended dialogues on RUclips doesn't work well. Enduring Word is available to answer brief questions, but beyond that, I?we cannot get into long debates with people due to the enormous amount of letters that we receive. Please understand that.
Here's the link to my commentary on that passage.
I hope that it is helpful to you.
Blessings in Jesus.
enduringword.com/bible-commentary/1-timothy-2/
So many holes in this! You contradict yourself over and over. I was expecting a much higher quality argument than this
In the Military there are women in Authority in the Air force... I am from a Military Family. All of my family members who are male and female 6 of them all in a higher ranking Officer position in the Military. l was a officer in the Military and I am well educated..
I have been in the Air Force as a Officer and in a leadership role. And worked with govwrnment officials for 10 years. I am working in the Criminal Justice System with all men in a leader role. Therefore, I am well educated with a degrees in Ed.D, MS, MPA, HEA, MTh, PH, CCDVC. And God is using me in a leadership role in the church. I am preaching, teaching. I have been serving in Prision Ministry and working with government officials as a women minister. Finally, I dont agree with your teaching. You dont have Sound Teaching on the role concerning Men and Women in ministry.. You are twisting the scriptures. There is no where in the scriptures that God said that a "women"can not be in a Leadership role in the "Church" This scripture you teaching is to keep women out of the role in authority in the "church" In the Anicient culture men was education then the woman. Genesis 2, 3 chapters God speak of equality in these chapters among men and women. You dont not have Sound Doctrine. God was saying that "Headship" was given to the men in the Home. God gave Adam and Eve authority in the begining. You are taking scriptures out of content. Please stop teaching tbis Subject. You are lieing about the roles of men and women in church. Please stop twisting scriptures and get on off Ytube with tbat foolishness. The first century church Apostle Paul are not saying women can not be in the role of leadership in the church. You wil not find that in bible that women can not be in leadership role in church. You need more Biblical Training. You have false teaching on this subject. Please get off ytube. Stop twisting God Word. I have a Theology Ediucation training background.. I am a former professor at a University.
Ed.D Adams, i am a woman.
There are a lot of misdirections in this sermon. It lacks understanding of the Hebrew language, a misunderstanding of ancient Jewish, Greek and Roman culture and the radicalness of women's acceptance in the Bible. To weigh the percentage of women prophets/leaders vs male prophets/leaders is pointless... Yes Jesus did not "blow the doors off patriarchy" because God does not hit us over the head with anything... but He patiently infuses change and right-mindedness in the Scriptures. In a culture of masculine dominance, women shine out as radical examples of how God sees humans. Division and tribalism (us vs them, men vs women) is not of God, but of human mental frailty and the desire for power. The fact that the Bible (written in a time of masculine dominance) mentions women at all is radical. Jesus called on a woman (the Samaritan woman at the well) to teach the Samaritans the Good News of Jesus and she changed the hearts of many (John 4:39). Mary Magdalen, when she saw the risen Jesus, ran to the followers of Jesus and announced the Good News. Jesus commissioned women to change hearts. The resurrection of Jesus and the commission of the Holy Spirit changes everything... God does not give a lesser Spirit into the heart of a woman... we are equal in all things under the love of God and healing power of Jesus. Let's stop the division and celebrate the gifts God has given us! This preacher says that men are "wired to respect male spiritual authority"... and he sees this as a good thing... but I suggest that this is exactly the problem.
You are mistaken. God has explicitly ordered by design and command that in various contexts women are not permitted authority over adult men at all. And in certain contexts the women are commanded to submit to certain men in anything that is not sin. That's unconditionally commanded in the new testament and is repeatedly predicated upon God's created order and On God's command.
None of these women in the new testament were leaders or had authority over men...saying so is scripture twisting. Priscilla was not an elder...she was godly and submitted to her husband Aquila.
Mary Magdalene was not exercising Authority at all. There are specific relationships where Authority is expounded on, and with the exception of a mother two children, every mention of those relationships where there is Authority and there is both man and woman it is unequivocal that The Authority is possessed by the mail and submission is commanded to the female. There are other types of relationships that don't have an element of authority, but there is to be leadership and Authority within the church and there is to be within the family and that is absolutely to be held by the adult male, whether it's a qualified elder or whether it's the husband. To go against this is to radically defy God.
There is no hint of egalitarianism anywhere in the scripture. Jesus was not secretly trying to usher in egalitarianism. God has commands that require there to be a male leadership or male headship in certain areas and those commands also require that women under those particular authorities be submissive, not contentious, and never trying to usurp the authority.
You can see this clearly in 1st Timothy 2, 1st Peter 3, Ephesians 5, Titus 2, 1st Corinthians 11, Genesis 2, Genesis 3, 1st Corinthians 14, and so many other passages of scripture.
I would exhort anyone who is questioning the subject or who is being deceived by the lie of egalitarianism to repent of that and truly look to what God has to say about the way that he has ordered the church, the family, the civil magistrate, and so forth.
@Kristina Amen! We lose so much when we don't take historical context into consideration. So many people put their blinders on and interpret the Bible through their own 20th century mindset... by doing so they miss so many beautiful nuggets of truth that are there for all who seek!
"11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I ***suffer not a woman to teach***, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to ***be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression"
1 Tim 2:11-14 (KJV)
That is God's declared Will on the subject, and so is irrevocable!
Only the "Devil and his angels" will contend differently, fooling and deceiving the weak and feeble-minded!
None of the passages and things you mentioned above cancel 1 Tim 2:11-14.
1 Tim 2:11-14 is Scripture from God.
@Kelly
"11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I ***suffer not a woman to teach***, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to ***be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression"
1 Tim 2:11-14 (KJV)
That is God's declared Will on the subject, and so is irrevocable!
Only the "Devil and his angels" will contend differently, fooling and deceiving the weak and feeble-minded!
This preacher surely has no idea what he is talking about.
This chappy needs to tuck his shirt in his trouser and not be so slovenly and untidily dressed in public.
He speaks here with a harsh and defensive tone that does not feel helpful. 🙏
The intention wasn't to be harsh, but loving and firm. This is a highly argued about section, but no offense was intended, that's for sure! Blessings in Jesus!
I strongly disagree with the statement......
The scriptures doesn't teach that woman should not be in Submission to man in Society. If you study the CULTURE at the time, their way of living was base on the Torah and it is CLEARLY in the Old Testament what were the rules stablish by GOD. All you have to do is read Deuteronomy and Leviticus.
Their Culture was MONOTHEISTIC, base and ruled by the laws dictated, study and teach through Generations. For example, a woman couldn't be a Rabbi, she couldn't hold any Political Position, she couldn't hold any Authority Position and she couldn't own slaves. As a matter of fact she couldn't even have the inheritance of his father (Moses makes an exception to this).
I don't know why he keeps repeating the same concept when in reality is WRONG!