With Hellhounds being all kinds of dogs and wolves, it makes me wonder if at one point in time Hellhounds were ever specifically bred to produce new breeds in the same exact way humans domesticated and bred wolves over thousands of years to get the various dog breeds we see today.
Well imagine howed blitz would react if a ""conservationist"" offered to buy her off him cause shes an OG hellhound AKA a strait up wolf and you don't get them around much in hell anymore.
I think the reason queen bee has the whole honey thing is because there’s this old phrase and I quote, “you can catch flies better with honey than vinegar”, which kind of makes sense, she gives the partygoers indulgence and some how it makes her honey which she then uses to make that mead, that and lord of the flies
*Same here! :D Ignore the Negative Naysayers! Queen Bee-zleBub, the benevolent, spunky, vibrant hellhound princess of the Gluttony Ring, is an awesome character in Helluva Boss!* :D 😀 ^-^
The heart on the bee eats app is actually an upside down paw, so there were hints to her being more canid than insect. I didn’t notice till after this episode.
I only now realize that the doggos high on the cotton candy look rabid. They have dialated pupils and the cotton around their mouth looks like saliva foam
Something to consider: Hell hounds occupy Gluttony because Cerberus has been a symbol of avarice ever since the Roman poet Virgil once described the hound as "ravenous" in his work Aeneid. This is further backed when both Cerberus and Virgil appear in Dante's Inferno where The dog is the guardian of the Gluttony ring and consumes the souls trapped there.
I feel like the loan sharks are actually from the Envy ring but their species or multiple of them migrated to Greed. With Mammon being the Prince of Greed it could be that he wasn't satisfied with just the jester demons so he prob convinced different species from the other rings to relocate to Greed to satisfy himself.
The jester demons might be at the top of a capitalist hierarchy With the immigrants at the bottom doing mammons dirty work and the natives live in a fact city with most of the money
honestly, the consistency of the show's lore and races are what makes it so fun and thats why id rather believe this than the complicated theories of like loan sharks in greed yet sea creatures in envy.... these species should really just stick in their rings (unless migration) and we all (including the show) should need to stick to the facts of making it simple. Cuz bee's altho awesome character, broke a lot of what we know already about the species shiz
The jester demons more likely run "official" banks and businesses for legal transaction but its set up to basically deny lesser income demons and would push them more towards to the loan sharks.
Technically, if she didn't want to have to change the VA like she did for Striker, she'd have to wait to have Kesha help again before she can put Bee in another episode
5:24 Given that Striker has a Rattlesnake design to him it's possible the Wrath Ring is also home to Reptile like Demons since Satan's app kind of looks like a Dragon.
Well as a matter of fact. The real Ring of wrath depicts having reptilian like demons savaging in an eternal hunger for survival and Satan being the ruler has to watch as his ring falls apart.
In reference to Bee possibly being an Ars Goetia but not being a bird... Didn't Paimon shapeshift to different species until he landed on "owl" because he couldn't remember which kid he was speaking to for a second?
One thing I think is pretty cool is how each Ring has a different colored sky which actually makes sense as each of the Seven Sins is associated with a different color. That's a nice bit of extra detail as most would assume it's hell so the sky is always red but it's only Red in the Pride Ring as Red is the color associated with Lucifer.
It's possible hell hounds include all sorts of canid species, which foxes would include. Viv said on twitter that the princes all have a circus role involved in their design. That, coupled with the fact the two prince we've seen resemble other hell species, it's possible they're all meant to also resemble their associated species. Overall, I love Viv's take on the demonology. It's refreshing and unique.
I think the hierarchy of demons is very interesting considering the fact that imps and hellhounds are treated like trash but the lords of the rings they come from are so strong
Bee flies are a real kind of fly, the pokemon cutiefly is based on them, also perhaps some inspiration from the phrase 'you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar'
There are so many animal motifs they could've gone with for gluttony, as many animals can be associated with food, which is something people typically think of when considering the sin. Something like pigs would've been obvious, but bees are a pretty left-field choice, and I love it 😊
the thought that Beelzebub has fly features, so she developed a huge "bee" theme with her structures and colours to seem more dignified is very interesting, and I hope it's cannon
( having in count how some of the sweets she cast have some sort of drug-like effect),my theory is that bee is capable of transforming the honey in other food (she do that with the cotton candy) and mixing it with your theory of the hellhounds making honey with the enjoyment of the parties,i think she use the honey produced in the parties for two things, one is for making the food for her app and the addictive drink , and the other one is for make the food in her parties so hellhounds get high and make more honey, somewhat like an infinite feedback. (hope is understandable , my english isn't very good)
It fits her role and she did say that her best parties happen after she steals some drugs from Belphegor before she (yes, Belphegor is female) changed the locks.
I'm very sure that Queen Bee (I'm gonna call her that cause I forgot how to spell her name) is supposed to be a mix of a hover fly(A fly that mimics the look and behavior of a bee) and a fox, mostly looking like a fennec fox but its unclear if that's what she is or the appearance similarities are just a coincidence.
I can't help but imagine a scenario that all the deadly sins could look like the like ther biblical designs when they have no power or in dyer distress like bee could have a fly form that gives her the Flys and dying spoiled food around her not making you feel gluttony anymore from looking at it
the thing that I notice through some of the episodes that the higher up demons can take other forms. like in episode 1 with Stolas's dad, he took the form of an owl demon and also a silhouette of other demonic forms. all we know thats probably not even Bee's true form maybe she does has a demon bee form or a true demon form. she probably chose the fox form to be included in her domain filled with demon hounds but also making herself more extravagant.
Here is what i am currently thinking each persona of the princes are to make their sin more appealing. Ozzy and bee kinda have same selling point of fun and enjoyment. The main difference is that ozzy works in a more smooth and orderly manner of clubs, especially when compared to bee's chaotic parting. Mammon as far as we can tell has a rock n roll clown gag going but likely advertises his cheep and accessible goods as well as new goods. Lucifer leads by example and shows off the quality of goods and services that comes with putting pride in your work. Belfegor probably puts on a ceo type of vibe showing how you can make it while doing nothing and implying she did alot to get their. Her circuse theme could be the freak show, more specifically the ones where the performer really just has to stand around and look different. Leviathan obviously is a social media Superstar showing everyone what is like to be the subject of envy, i think he will either be a representation of the geek show, a side show where people with no mutations still do freaky things in their act, making them points of envy and ahh, or try and put on another ringleader act. Satan, if he isn't a gym bro i am going to mad, ironic i know.
While watching the episode, I thought Beelzebub was just wearing a disguise, because of the collar she is wearing, made me think she was wearing a costume. So I thought she was just tricking everyone that she is a Hell Hound. But I guess I was wrong.😅
I want to make a minor correction: the Hierarchy is called The Goetia, not Ars Goetia. Ars means "Art" and appears in various chapters of the Clavicula Salomonis. Goetia means "invocation of evil spirits" and in the series functions as the name this subset of Infernal Nobility.
You really expect these rabid fan demonology expert analysts to care about the nitty gritty and actual prime source material? I just chalk this whole show up to cultural appropriation with how many liberties have been taken.
I would definitely want to know more about the Gluttony Ring, it looks really cool and fun there especially when Bee throws the best parties! Maybe in the future we might explore more of it!😁🐝
It would probably be a good idea not to lean too hard on real life mythology to figure out the show lore. The show is running pretty fast and loose with mythology to tell its own story.
I’m happy they got Ke$ha for this episode. As a fan of hers, I’m very happy. I am curious about Beelzejuice: what would happen if a human drank it? Would they mutate into a demonic monster?
Something else I thought about is that Beelzebub's design isn't actually based on a fox but rather on a maned wolf. So an animal that is neither fox, nor wolf though it resembles a fox more.
@@JamesDavy2009 And the arms (by looking at the black patterns). She also has the hair for it, since you know, maned wolfs have relatively large manes.
Given that Beelzebub refers to Satan as a brother-like figure, this could further prove the idea that the Seven Sins are in fact Fallen Angels. They’re not biological siblings, but they were made by the same creator.
I personally believe there isn't a separate elite race of fox demons that are separate from hellhounds. I mean.. foxes ARE hounds. We've seen hellhounds aren't just modeled off wolves but a whole variety of canines including all breeds of dogs and even some that resemble coyotes. I think Beelzebub is part hellhound or her demonic form at least resembles one and her canine inspiration just happens to be a fennec fox. Perhaps fox-like hellhounds are more rare as we dont see any others at the party (though for character design reasons, this is to make her stand out more) but i dont personally believe theyre a separate species.
I still think Bee has malicious intent, I don’t get why everyone wants her to be good she’s literally a deadly sin😂 I do enjoy her not being overly villainous tho it adds variety ❤ also it’s still wild to me that they use the actual demon seals from the grimmoire
She has ulterior motives to why she's so "good"-she encourages overindulgence so she can keep producing honey along with other addictive things such as illicit drugs or smokes. Where does Angel Dust's namesake get produced?
If you look in the background in the center of the shot in a balcony you can see the silhouette of another insect based demon. It's during the scene where Bee and Tex are talking to Loona near the middle top of the frame. I'd love to see more insect-like demons as maybe a secondary native species to Gluttony.
I think Bee may have started out as a standard Hellhound but when she was chosen as Prince of Gluttony she may have developed the bee attributes to fit the "Lord of Flies" part of the title or could just be a crossbreed of the two native species to Gluttony
I mean pretty sure shape shifting is a power princes would have, so she could use her more fox like apperance to appeal more to the hellhounds. And seems she uses the parties to get hell hounds addicted to something. Based on the reactions alot of hellhounds had to the cotton candy.
gotta mention how the highest of the nobility have an interesting voice casting, as we see a weird (probably coincidence until proven otherwise) situation where the Ars Goetia Kings, Paimon and Asmodeus, voice actors have ties to Disney and the Rulers of the Ring, Beelzeebub and Asmodeus, have links to music. Might be something, might not, Idk just felt like it needed to be mentioned.
I imagine there are a few nicer districts/party centers where Beelzebub mainly hangs out, with the other areas being significantly poorer and where it’s likely all the hellhounds live/adoption centers exist. There most likely are other hives in Gluttony where Beelzebub keeps her honey and Beelzejuice stocks.🤔
I feel bad for leading to the confusion in the past video. I hadn't seen Beelzebub's seal anywhere in the Ars Goetia listings either. And to be fair, the similarities to Bael's demonic seal is still undeniable. Perhaps there is a family connection between Beelzebub and Bael in the show, like with Paimon and Stolas? Maybe we'll eventually see a Bael, but the central head is canine, drawing a connection to Cerberus and leading to a line of canine Goetia, like Marchiosas.
I also see Bee as sort of feeding off positive energy from her partygoers. Hence the “make me that honey” line, as she gets her powers from good vibes. This is supported by several things Bee says in the episode. “Keep making me that motherf***ing honey.” “I’m just really high on all this tasty energy right now.” “I can taste the flavor of the people at my parties.”
I mean... if other versions of demons are influenced by their location, is it not possible that the Ars Goetia are too, with owls simply being how pride manifests them?
I’ve been loving all your videos on Episode 8! You’ve introduced me to a lot of topics I hadn’t considered! Keep up the great work! I never really was a big Helluva Boss fan, but episode 8 just blew me away completely. I love all the Zoophobia callbacks present in both Bee, and in her musical sequence! Easily the best part of the episode for me!
7:05 There is a hellhound wearing a shirt of Mammon's face. Also, I have head canons for how the native imps work and what traits they're born with for each ring: 1. The signature Tim Burton-styled horns on the imps are more common in Pride but exist every other ring. 2. Wrath imps are born with spikes on their tails and have an increase in violent tendencies and muscle. 3. Gluttony imps have a larger food capacity and are shorter although quite rare. 4. Imps of greed have more cunning ways of thinking and being known to be more sneaky also they could be inherited to Mammon's twisted design to have longer tails to carry money bags for his convivence which burdens their lives with potential tripping hazards. 5. Envy imps are likely to have jaws that would be similar to many breeds of shark or angler fish and shed like crabs in mating season. 6. Lust imps would have more pink skin and shares dopamine to it's partner or victim as a trap or bond. 7. Sloth imps can sleep up to 14 hours and their eyes glow brighter than any imp. Anyway, those were just ideas for how imps get their form. Also I imagine that before Lucifer and Lilith entered hell, imps were more primitive, cruel and walked on fours like lizards but once Lucifer became king, they eventually adapted to speaking English and walked on twos as well as learning more emotions. Feel free to agree or disagree ;\
"Lord of the Flies" can also mean she rules over the undesirables. Also Mammon"s outfit isn't hiding anything. It's just oversized probably. Mimicking the main circus tent of a circus
*It's gotta be Queen Bee-zleBub 's alchemy magic to creating the Bee-zlejuice honey! It 's probably like honey, but with a supernaturally enhanced texture and taste! After all, we did see how Bee-zlejuce can cause mystical mutagenic affect on living earthbound lifeforms in the third season 1 episode of Helluva Boss, "Spring Broken "!* 🤗
@@booksmartthealicorn3219 I totally remember the effects, but I was just curious about the process of creating the honey to begin with, I know how Bees IRL create honey, but here.... I'm just curious that's all, but I appreciate your insight!
@GothremenBhason *No problem, and thank you!* ^-^ *It's just an estimation , but Queen Bee-zleBub is skilled in Hell 's version of biochemistry as well as mixology of flavors to create the Bee-zlejuice honey from supernatural ingredients in her domain, the Gluttony Ring! Maybe we can learn the secret of Bee -zle Bub 's Bee-zle juice honey in future episodes and seasons of Helluva Boss!* ;😉
Part of me thinks that Bee loves being a party animal and hanging out with hellhounds because she's probably the lowest among the Princes of hell. Similar to how Tyrion Lannister is treated by his own father.
The gluttony ring is so beautiful! It really is the ring to have a party and relax a little. Provided you don’t tick off the princess or Queen they have there
I’ve said in my previous comments that Bee-lzebub or Bee is the daughter of QUEEN Beelzebub that Vizziepop could use as a twist later on to stop the criticism being thrown towards her. My theory is that Bee is coming of age to take her mother’s place as Queen of Gluttony but instead Bee shares a similar personality with Charlie and decides to try to help her future subjects instead of benefiting from their suffering like her mother who uses the hellhounds as slaves.
I agree when you say that bee might be trying to hide her true side under a bee persona. She may actually have a fly like design if she doesn’t get the honey that she needs
OK, here's an theory I had Due to the fact that Bee-elzabub is voiced by a celebrity camio (and those are allways an nightmare to book) we problay won't see much of them (unless they get an sound alike to voice her future appearances) However one idea I had is that if the show ever chooses to introduce an actual threatening human antagonist (DHORKS dosenat count they are all dhorks and incompetent) or some kind of Angelic antagonist (an exorcist for example) one fantastic way to introduce them and show the threat they pose is for them actually kill an high demon royalty (or an deadly sin) and the best candidate for this is Bee, as since she is voice by Khesha she wouldn't appear much in the show anyway so instead of just having her charecther disappear she probably could be killed off to add some stakes in the story. And as a bouse, this could also be great for the lore people as this would be a great way to show how Hell works in the Hazbin-Helluvav universe. Are the current seven deadly sins the same ones that rebelled from hevan? Or are they new ones? And if they are new ones, the heck happned to the old ones? Are they retired or dead or missing And how are new deadly sins chosen if one is gone? Or mabye, if these are the same deadly sins as the ones from the hevan rebellion, dose the event of one dieing cause their ring territory and responsibilities to be divided and given to the other sins? So many questions, all that would be answered if one of the sins were to be killed off. Oh BTW, don't quote me on this. Apparently, vivzipop could bring back Bee by casting her singing VA as her speaking VA
@tsunertoo9149 Not 100% sure however last I checked it was only Lucifer, Charlie and Lilith that had this immunity from most Angelic weapons (because Lucifer an very high ranking angle before he rebelled) So the 7 prince's should be fair game to essentially all decent weaponry that comes form hevan
I would say that each ring of hell are thier own dimensions and probably they are bigger than the natives think but the higher ups either know or just don't care.
@@CartoonUniverse Lol that sounds fun! Maybe you could do a One-Piece or My Hero parody where it's a bunch of montages, and every character comes together to face the trails ahead?
Ya know, I recently thought of something: What if in season 3, Vivzi will introduce a new character named *Xol* (Like Sol except with an X), voiced by Jonah Scott, and that he'll actually be a revealed to be a powerful and dangerous TRI-BRID due to being part demon from Hell, part angel from Heaven, and part human (which he'd mostly look like) from Earth? Then imagine Gluttony's huge wild nature being deeply discovered as Loona is being carried like a princess by *Xol* in his arms when the moon & sun companions explore the entire jungle making it look like a reference to the Sonic 06 level from Sonic's story, Tropical Jungle. And finally, the SWEETEST and possibly most ROMANTIC scene to watch is when Xol takes Loona to the Gluttony jungle's very beautiful and exotic scenery that has a huge golden honey waterfall and big pink cherry blossom trees. 🗻🗻🗻🗻🌴🌴🌴🌴🍯🍯🍯🍯🌸🌸🌸🌸🏞🏞🏞🏞🌙🐺💗👨☀🗻🗻🗻🗻🌴🌴🌴🌴🍯🍯🍯🍯🌸🌸🌸🌸🏞🏞🏞🏞
Has anyone thought That Bee-lzebub's look may just as very well be a costume? On her neck, there's a black portion which seems to indicate that her head was cut off, I seems also like a collar but i think It being a space where, like in real life, she'd have a main bdy costume and then a head to place on top. Again, to me, it just doesn't seem like a collar or choker or anything. Maybe she has a different true form than the one shown in the episode?
Seems like sloth may also just have goat-like features since that receptionist had the horns and ears but the doctor had a candle so maybe just some have it?
in a lot of cultures and myths Fox are told to be pranksters , schape chifters , demons , clever deceivers , it might be something to do with the design or a mixture of it all.
I wonder if we will super powered humans in helluva boss. There was originally a plan for super heros in this world and with Veronika throwing around beezljuice probably some humans have drank it and angels apparently go to earth pretty often so maybe we can meet a Nephilim
Dogs are actually perfect representation of gluttony. I mean dogs don't have the ability to tell when they are full. they will eat themselves to death. It is why you have to keep dog food and anything edible locked up away from them. Dogs will literally eat a bowl full of food and still beg at the table for what they want but not what they need. With hell hounds being show to be more instinctively driven...not only that but when you think about the song...ALL rings and sins of hell give everyone what they want, but never what they need. with people often being to prideful or angry to fully acknowledge that and ask for help. actually the ranking system makes a lot of sense with those 3 being in top when thought about like that.
lust ring focusing on quick physical thrills but never long term loving relationships. ending up with people who want that to be somewhat like blitzo. constantly throwing themselves into quick thrills but never letting themselves being emotionally vulnerable enough to get the loving relationships they actually need. sloth does this as well. all rings due giving people quick ways to distract all while never actually working towards the actual problems at hand and causing far more harm long term.
4:48-4:56 Beyond stylistic choices, this may imply that there was, or even still is, selective breeding like was done in the real world, showing that hellhounds are very likely a historically exploited group.
Satan and beelzebub are both demons that are also said to be the ruler of hell....I wonder if the rings staking relates how much power a prince has in the hierarchies
I've been thinking. What if a bad vibe is punishment and said punishment is the pound. We know loona been to a party before but what if it's before she was adopted by blitz. The poodles also have a picture of her giving off bad vibes. Events follow. Good loona gose to party, crazy loona happens and is known, good loona gose bad loona, owners before are banned to party's, either by good vibes returning or trip to the pound, loona being adopted again. That's it and I'm sorry the placement errors in the sentence.
What analysis or topic videos would you like next? I got one coming about how each prince would try to take over all of Hell if that sounds fun.
I’ll sure watch that video!
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I'll find out for myself when you upload the next video soon dude! 😄😁👌👍
I want a topic about Prince Leviathan and Karen and Envy Ring
Hmmmmm I would like to know how each Prince would take over Hell.😮
With Hellhounds being all kinds of dogs and wolves, it makes me wonder if at one point in time Hellhounds were ever specifically bred to produce new breeds in the same exact way humans domesticated and bred wolves over thousands of years to get the various dog breeds we see today.
Fr with their hot furry appearance someone must want to breed them down bad.
And the ugly pups in the adoption center can the result of failed crossbreeds, or simply insest (ad with real life dogs)
@@vithayartheppalard2417I mean hell is full of kinky demons
I wouldn't blame Viv if she just said "Yeah sure"
Well imagine howed blitz would react if a ""conservationist"" offered to buy her off him cause shes an OG hellhound AKA a strait up wolf and you don't get them around much in hell anymore.
I think the reason queen bee has the whole honey thing is because there’s this old phrase and I quote, “you can catch flies better with honey than vinegar”, which kind of makes sense, she gives the partygoers indulgence and some how it makes her honey which she then uses to make that mead, that and lord of the flies
I wonder if the “you catch more flies with honey than vinegar” saying, had any influence on her “fly” design
i cannot wait to see bee again, even if i think it might be hard to get kesha again. But im glad we finally got to see the gluttony ring !
i think it'll be easier now that she's separated from her record label :)
or they’ll just get the person who sang the song to be her permanent va
*Same here! :D Ignore the Negative Naysayers! Queen Bee-zleBub, the benevolent, spunky, vibrant hellhound princess of the Gluttony Ring, is an awesome character in Helluva Boss!* :D 😀 ^-^
Agreed! I’d love to see Bee return! I think she’s a fan favorite character now
I mean with Queen Bee’s role, Kesha would get more fame
The heart on the bee eats app is actually an upside down paw, so there were hints to her being more canid than insect. I didn’t notice till after this episode.
thank gods someone noticed it! like i wanted to say something but like, thought someone else spoke on it so i didnt wanna feel dumb
I only now realize that the doggos high on the cotton candy look rabid. They have dialated pupils and the cotton around their mouth looks like saliva foam
Could too much sugar in their diet lead to Hellbies? We know Blitzo tried to give Loona her "annual" shot down in Sloth.
Something to consider: Hell hounds occupy Gluttony because Cerberus has been a symbol of avarice ever since the Roman poet Virgil once described the hound as "ravenous" in his work Aeneid. This is further backed when both Cerberus and Virgil appear in Dante's Inferno where The dog is the guardian of the Gluttony ring and consumes the souls trapped there.
I feel like the loan sharks are actually from the Envy ring but their species or multiple of them migrated to Greed. With Mammon being the Prince of Greed it could be that he wasn't satisfied with just the jester demons so he prob convinced different species from the other rings to relocate to Greed to satisfy himself.
The jester demons might be at the top of a capitalist hierarchy
With the immigrants at the bottom doing mammons dirty work and the natives live in a fact city with most of the money
It could make sense as well, with the loan sharks from Envy not being content with their status and moving to Greed to try and work their way up.
honestly, the consistency of the show's lore and races are what makes it so fun and thats why id rather believe this than the complicated theories of like loan sharks in greed yet sea creatures in envy.... these species should really just stick in their rings (unless migration) and we all (including the show) should need to stick to the facts of making it simple. Cuz bee's altho awesome character, broke a lot of what we know already about the species shiz
The jester demons more likely run "official" banks and businesses for legal transaction but its set up to basically deny lesser income demons and would push them more towards to the loan sharks.
Pretty difficult to say. If that were the case, wouldn't we see more than just sharks and imps in the greed ring? Especially with Crimson's mafia?
Next to pride and lust, I think that the gluttony ring is just one huge party ring.
It may also have a restaurant sector that is but one source of where the food delivered by Bee Eats comes from.
Can't wait to see the Gluttony Ring develop!! I really would love to see how Bee interacts with her fellow princes!~
Technically, if she didn't want to have to change the VA like she did for Striker, she'd have to wait to have Kesha help again before she can put Bee in another episode
5:24 Given that Striker has a Rattlesnake design to him it's possible the Wrath Ring is also home to Reptile like Demons since Satan's app kind of looks like a Dragon.
Striker could be satan’s bastard son that he threw away and denied any connection to and that is why striker hated the royals
Well as a matter of fact. The real Ring of wrath depicts having reptilian like demons savaging in an eternal hunger for survival and Satan being the ruler has to watch as his ring falls apart.
@@Pretentiouslizard You saw one in Loo Loo Land eating Robo Fizz.
In reference to Bee possibly being an Ars Goetia but not being a bird... Didn't Paimon shapeshift to different species until he landed on "owl" because he couldn't remember which kid he was speaking to for a second?
He certainly did when he first appears.
One thing I think is pretty cool is how each Ring has a different colored sky which actually makes sense as each of the Seven Sins is associated with a different color. That's a nice bit of extra detail as most would assume it's hell so the sky is always red but it's only Red in the Pride Ring as Red is the color associated with Lucifer.
It's possible hell hounds include all sorts of canid species, which foxes would include. Viv said on twitter that the princes all have a circus role involved in their design. That, coupled with the fact the two prince we've seen resemble other hell species, it's possible they're all meant to also resemble their associated species. Overall, I love Viv's take on the demonology. It's refreshing and unique.
I think the hierarchy of demons is very interesting considering the fact that imps and hellhounds are treated like trash but the lords of the rings they come from are so strong
Bee flies are a real kind of fly, the pokemon cutiefly is based on them, also perhaps some inspiration from the phrase 'you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar'
Yes!
Beelzebub is definitely and totally Super Fantabulous and Incredible! I wanna see her again soon in *Helluva Boss!* 😄😁👌👍🐝🐝🐝🐝
There are so many animal motifs they could've gone with for gluttony, as many animals can be associated with food, which is something people typically think of when considering the sin. Something like pigs would've been obvious, but bees are a pretty left-field choice, and I love it 😊
They're geared towards producing copious amounts of honey, so I think it might fit the gluttony theme.
the thought that Beelzebub has fly features, so she developed a huge "bee" theme with her structures and colours to seem more dignified is very interesting, and I hope it's cannon
( having in count how some of the sweets she cast have some sort of drug-like effect),my theory is that bee is capable of transforming the honey in other food (she do that with the cotton candy) and mixing it with your theory of the hellhounds making honey with the enjoyment of the parties,i think she use the honey produced in the parties for two things, one is for making the food for her app and the addictive drink , and the other one is for make the food in her parties so hellhounds get high and make more honey, somewhat like an infinite feedback.
(hope is understandable , my english isn't very good)
It fits her role and she did say that her best parties happen after she steals some drugs from Belphegor before she (yes, Belphegor is female) changed the locks.
I'm very sure that Queen Bee (I'm gonna call her that cause I forgot how to spell her name) is supposed to be a mix of a hover fly(A fly that mimics the look and behavior of a bee) and a fox, mostly looking like a fennec fox but its unclear if that's what she is or the appearance similarities are just a coincidence.
I can't help but imagine a scenario that all the deadly sins could look like the like ther biblical designs when they have no power or in dyer distress like bee could have a fly form that gives her the Flys and dying spoiled food around her not making you feel gluttony anymore from looking at it
that’d be cool
the thing that I notice through some of the episodes that the higher up demons can take other forms. like in episode 1 with Stolas's dad, he took the form of an owl demon and also a silhouette of other demonic forms. all we know thats probably not even Bee's true form maybe she does has a demon bee form or a true demon form. she probably chose the fox form to be included in her domain filled with demon hounds but also making herself more extravagant.
Here is what i am currently thinking each persona of the princes are to make their sin more appealing.
Ozzy and bee kinda have same selling point of fun and enjoyment. The main difference is that ozzy works in a more smooth and orderly manner of clubs, especially when compared to bee's chaotic parting.
Mammon as far as we can tell has a rock n roll clown gag going but likely advertises his cheep and accessible goods as well as new goods.
Lucifer leads by example and shows off the quality of goods and services that comes with putting pride in your work.
Belfegor probably puts on a ceo type of vibe showing how you can make it while doing nothing and implying she did alot to get their. Her circuse theme could be the freak show, more specifically the ones where the performer really just has to stand around and look different.
Leviathan obviously is a social media Superstar showing everyone what is like to be the subject of envy, i think he will either be a representation of the geek show, a side show where people with no mutations still do freaky things in their act, making them points of envy and ahh, or try and put on another ringleader act.
Satan, if he isn't a gym bro i am going to mad, ironic i know.
Well, the NV app does resemble Tiktok.
While watching the episode, I thought Beelzebub was just wearing a disguise, because of the collar she is wearing, made me think she was wearing a costume. So I thought she was just tricking everyone that she is a Hell Hound. But I guess I was wrong.😅
I want to make a minor correction: the Hierarchy is called The Goetia, not Ars Goetia. Ars means "Art" and appears in various chapters of the Clavicula Salomonis. Goetia means "invocation of evil spirits" and in the series functions as the name this subset of Infernal Nobility.
You really expect these rabid fan demonology expert analysts to care about the nitty gritty and actual prime source material? I just chalk this whole show up to cultural appropriation with how many liberties have been taken.
I would definitely want to know more about the Gluttony Ring, it looks really cool and fun there especially when Bee throws the best parties! Maybe in the future we might explore more of it!😁🐝
It would probably be a good idea not to lean too hard on real life mythology to figure out the show lore. The show is running pretty fast and loose with mythology to tell its own story.
I think that analysis was pretty much needed. Thank you @CartoonUniverse !
I’m happy they got Ke$ha for this episode. As a fan of hers, I’m very happy.
I am curious about Beelzejuice: what would happen if a human drank it? Would they mutate into a demonic monster?
Very likely they would…or straight up kill them.
It turned a fish into a giant fish monster so I'd imagine nothing good would come from a human drinking it.
Something else I thought about is that Beelzebub's design isn't actually based on a fox but rather on a maned wolf. So an animal that is neither fox, nor wolf though it resembles a fox more.
She has the legs for it.
@@JamesDavy2009 And the arms (by looking at the black patterns). She also has the hair for it, since you know, maned wolfs have relatively large manes.
Given that Beelzebub refers to Satan as a brother-like figure, this could further prove the idea that the Seven Sins are in fact Fallen Angels. They’re not biological siblings, but they were made by the same creator.
She could also be a family friend of the Morningstars.
I personally believe there isn't a separate elite race of fox demons that are separate from hellhounds. I mean.. foxes ARE hounds. We've seen hellhounds aren't just modeled off wolves but a whole variety of canines including all breeds of dogs and even some that resemble coyotes. I think Beelzebub is part hellhound or her demonic form at least resembles one and her canine inspiration just happens to be a fennec fox. Perhaps fox-like hellhounds are more rare as we dont see any others at the party (though for character design reasons, this is to make her stand out more) but i dont personally believe theyre a separate species.
7:24 beelze treats her employees better than shein
I still think Bee has malicious intent, I don’t get why everyone wants her to be good she’s literally a deadly sin😂 I do enjoy her not being overly villainous tho it adds variety ❤ also it’s still wild to me that they use the actual demon seals from the grimmoire
She has ulterior motives to why she's so "good"-she encourages overindulgence so she can keep producing honey along with other addictive things such as illicit drugs or smokes. Where does Angel Dust's namesake get produced?
If you look in the background in the center of the shot in a balcony you can see the silhouette of another insect based demon. It's during the scene where Bee and Tex are talking to Loona near the middle top of the frame. I'd love to see more insect-like demons as maybe a secondary native species to Gluttony.
I think Bee may have started out as a standard Hellhound but when she was chosen as Prince of Gluttony she may have developed the bee attributes to fit the "Lord of Flies" part of the title or could just be a crossbreed of the two native species to Gluttony
I think the "Beelze loves her bub" line means her relationship with Tex. Imo they are very adorable together.
I mean pretty sure shape shifting is a power princes would have, so she could use her more fox like apperance to appeal more to the hellhounds. And seems she uses the parties to get hell hounds addicted to something. Based on the reactions alot of hellhounds had to the cotton candy.
Being one of the Ars Goetia, how could she not have the ability to shapeshift?
gotta mention how the highest of the nobility have an interesting voice casting, as we see a weird (probably coincidence until proven otherwise) situation where the Ars Goetia Kings, Paimon and Asmodeus, voice actors have ties to Disney and the Rulers of the Ring, Beelzeebub and Asmodeus, have links to music. Might be something, might not, Idk just felt like it needed to be mentioned.
If you do look closely, Bee-lzebub does gain Goetian style eyes both during her song and when she goes giant
Bro be pumping out videos from a single episode, that has to been a good episode
I have lost count but i think its about 30 of them
Also hellhounds are treated like breading creatures and then have their kids sold like cattle
I like to imagine if they're not sold or adopted they have to be euthanized
God, a person on the internet calmly and graciously admitting that they made a mistake… so refreshing!
I imagine there are a few nicer districts/party centers where Beelzebub mainly hangs out, with the other areas being significantly poorer and where it’s likely all the hellhounds live/adoption centers exist. There most likely are other hives in Gluttony where Beelzebub keeps her honey and Beelzejuice stocks.🤔
I feel bad for leading to the confusion in the past video. I hadn't seen Beelzebub's seal anywhere in the Ars Goetia listings either. And to be fair, the similarities to Bael's demonic seal is still undeniable. Perhaps there is a family connection between Beelzebub and Bael in the show, like with Paimon and Stolas? Maybe we'll eventually see a Bael, but the central head is canine, drawing a connection to Cerberus and leading to a line of canine Goetia, like Marchiosas.
If she is in fact a Goetia it would be interesting to see if she ever interacts with Stolas or any of the others. She'd probably hate Stella
I also see Bee as sort of feeding off positive energy from her partygoers. Hence the “make me that honey” line, as she gets her powers from good vibes. This is supported by several things Bee says in the episode.
“Keep making me that motherf***ing honey.”
“I’m just really high on all this tasty energy right now.”
“I can taste the flavor of the people at my parties.”
The vibes of the Princes {Or in Beelzebubs case Princess}
are really being set now, and I love it~
I mean... if other versions of demons are influenced by their location, is it not possible that the Ars Goetia are too, with owls simply being how pride manifests them?
I’m so glad the show isn’t over, now i’ve got more information about the plot line.
I’ve been loving all your videos on Episode 8! You’ve introduced me to a lot of topics I hadn’t considered! Keep up the great work! I never really was a big Helluva Boss fan, but episode 8 just blew me away completely. I love all the Zoophobia callbacks present in both Bee, and in her musical sequence! Easily the best part of the episode for me!
7:05 There is a hellhound wearing a shirt of Mammon's face.
Also, I have head canons for how the native imps work and what traits they're born with for each ring:
1. The signature Tim Burton-styled horns on the imps are more common in Pride but exist every other ring.
2. Wrath imps are born with spikes on their tails and have an increase in violent tendencies and muscle.
3. Gluttony imps have a larger food capacity and are shorter although quite rare.
4. Imps of greed have more cunning ways of thinking and being known to be more sneaky also they could be inherited to Mammon's twisted design to have longer tails to carry money bags for his convivence which burdens their lives with potential tripping hazards.
5. Envy imps are likely to have jaws that would be similar to many breeds of shark or angler fish and shed like crabs in mating season.
6. Lust imps would have more pink skin and shares dopamine to it's partner or victim as a trap or bond.
7. Sloth imps can sleep up to 14 hours and their eyes glow brighter than any imp.
Anyway, those were just ideas for how imps get their form. Also I imagine that before Lucifer and Lilith entered hell, imps were more primitive, cruel and walked on fours like lizards but once Lucifer became king, they eventually adapted to speaking English and walked on twos as well as learning more emotions. Feel free to agree or disagree ;\
"Lord of the Flies" can also mean she rules over the undesirables. Also Mammon"s outfit isn't hiding anything. It's just oversized probably. Mimicking the main circus tent of a circus
I am actually curious, how the Beezel Juice is made? I really want to know.
Also is it different from the Honey or it's a similar essence?
Bub's piss.
*It's gotta be Queen Bee-zleBub 's alchemy magic to creating the Bee-zlejuice honey! It 's probably like honey, but with a supernaturally enhanced texture and taste! After all, we did see how Bee-zlejuce can cause mystical mutagenic affect on living earthbound lifeforms in the third season 1 episode of Helluva Boss, "Spring Broken "!* 🤗
@@booksmartthealicorn3219 I totally remember the effects, but I was just curious about the process of creating the honey to begin with, I know how Bees IRL create honey, but here.... I'm just curious that's all, but I appreciate your insight!
@@noahdean9685 *Eww😳! No! I hope not! I have huge respect for Queen Bee-zleBub!* 😅😇🤗
@GothremenBhason *No problem, and thank you!* ^-^ *It's just an estimation , but Queen Bee-zleBub is skilled in Hell 's version of biochemistry as well as mixology of flavors to create the Bee-zlejuice honey from supernatural ingredients in her domain, the Gluttony Ring! Maybe we can learn the secret of Bee -zle Bub 's Bee-zle juice honey in future episodes and seasons of Helluva Boss!* ;😉
Part of me thinks that Bee loves being a party animal and hanging out with hellhounds because she's probably the lowest among the Princes of hell. Similar to how Tyrion Lannister is treated by his own father.
The gluttony ring is so beautiful! It really is the ring to have a party and relax a little. Provided you don’t tick off the princess or Queen they have there
I don’t know why but every time I she her I think of the phrase “You’ll catch more flies with Honey than with vinegar”.
Even if beelzebub is a fly the bee mottif makes sense because there is a species of fly that disguises itslef as a bee by wearing its colors
I really wonder how Bee and Asmodeus view each other? Like maybe they’re friends or smth
I’ve said in my previous comments that Bee-lzebub or Bee is the daughter of QUEEN Beelzebub that Vizziepop could use as a twist later on to stop the criticism being thrown towards her.
My theory is that Bee is coming of age to take her mother’s place as Queen of Gluttony but instead Bee shares a similar personality with Charlie and decides to try to help her future subjects instead of benefiting from their suffering like her mother who uses the hellhounds as slaves.
I heard that Queen Bee is the daughter of Beelzebub herself and Cerberus, making her a hybrid of a canine and a bee or a fly.
I can't wait for Mammon up next 😆
She's probably a mimic fly , the ones that look like a bee
Imagine in Mammon was like a cross between a jester who wears make up like a band member of kiss.
I agree when you say that bee might be trying to hide her true side under a bee persona. She may actually have a fly like design if she doesn’t get the honey that she needs
OK, here's an theory I had
Due to the fact that Bee-elzabub is voiced by a celebrity camio (and those are allways an nightmare to book) we problay won't see much of them (unless they get an sound alike to voice her future appearances)
However one idea I had is that if the show ever chooses to introduce an actual threatening human antagonist (DHORKS dosenat count they are all dhorks and incompetent) or some kind of Angelic antagonist (an exorcist for example) one fantastic way to introduce them and show the threat they pose is for them actually kill an high demon royalty (or an deadly sin) and the best candidate for this is Bee, as since she is voice by Khesha she wouldn't appear much in the show anyway so instead of just having her charecther disappear she probably could be killed off to add some stakes in the story.
And as a bouse, this could also be great for the lore people as this would be a great way to show how Hell works in the Hazbin-Helluvav universe.
Are the current seven deadly sins the same ones that rebelled from hevan?
Or are they new ones?
And if they are new ones, the heck happned to the old ones?
Are they retired or dead or missing
And how are new deadly sins chosen if one is gone?
Or mabye, if these are the same deadly sins as the ones from the hevan rebellion, dose the event of one dieing cause their ring territory and responsibilities to be divided and given to the other sins?
So many questions, all that would be answered if one of the sins were to be killed off.
Oh BTW, don't quote me on this. Apparently, vivzipop could bring back Bee by casting her singing VA as her speaking VA
I'm pretty sure the highest sins can't be killed by angelic weapons unless the angel is stronger
@tsunertoo9149
Not 100% sure however last I checked it was only Lucifer, Charlie and Lilith that had this immunity from most Angelic weapons (because Lucifer an very high ranking angle before he rebelled)
So the 7 prince's should be fair game to essentially all decent weaponry that comes form hevan
I love that the gluttony ring is home to hellhounds. It makes me think of the phrase ‘wolfing your food down’.
I would say that each ring of hell are thier own dimensions and probably they are bigger than the natives think but the higher ups either know or just don't care.
7:05 there is a easter egg for mammon on that hellhound's shirt in the green
People should know that Lord of the Flies is just a title and not what Beelzebub actually looks like.
2:21 Well, I did see her seal during the musical number.
I love this channel
Loona's face in the thumbnail is me when i realised that we're probs not gonna see Bee again 😞
I absolutely love seeing all the different hellhounds
Since Vivzzie is adding her own twist in hell mythology maybe Bal and Bee are sibling’s
Bruh the anime fight at the end always makes my day 😭
I want to do another one where its me versus some helluva boss and murder drones parodies.
@@CartoonUniverse Lol that sounds fun! Maybe you could do a One-Piece or My Hero parody where it's a bunch of montages, and every character comes together to face the trails ahead?
love episode 8! it's am anazing episode with an amazing cast!!!
Ya know, I recently thought of something:
What if in season 3, Vivzi will introduce a new character named *Xol* (Like Sol except with an X), voiced by Jonah Scott, and that he'll actually be a revealed to be a powerful and dangerous TRI-BRID due to being part demon from Hell, part angel from Heaven, and part human (which he'd mostly look like) from Earth?
Then imagine Gluttony's huge wild nature being deeply discovered as Loona is being carried like a princess by *Xol* in his arms when the moon & sun companions explore the entire jungle making it look like a reference to the Sonic 06 level from Sonic's story, Tropical Jungle.
And finally, the SWEETEST and possibly most ROMANTIC scene to watch is when Xol takes Loona to the Gluttony jungle's very beautiful and exotic scenery that has a huge golden honey waterfall and big pink cherry blossom trees.
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I love your imp.
Has anyone thought That Bee-lzebub's look may just as very well be a costume? On her neck, there's a black portion which seems to indicate that her head was cut off, I seems also like a collar but i think It being a space where, like in real life, she'd have a main bdy costume and then a head to place on top. Again, to me, it just doesn't seem like a collar or choker or anything. Maybe she has a different true form than the one shown in the episode?
It looks more like Bee is wearing a collar that pushes down her furr on her neck than a costume.
I love how each ring has their own species
Seems like sloth may also just have goat-like features since that receptionist had the horns and ears but the doctor had a candle so maybe just some have it?
in a lot of cultures and myths Fox are told to be pranksters , schape chifters , demons , clever deceivers , it might be something to do with the design or a mixture of it all.
So now we’re waiting to see the envy ring as it’s the only one we have not seen
I'm curious how strong the prince's are they don't see to be as feared as I expected
Make theory maybe how Vortex helps collect more he’ll hounds for parties . Like ones born in other rings or something
I wonder if we will super powered humans in helluva boss. There was originally a plan for super heros in this world and with Veronika throwing around beezljuice probably some humans have drank it and angels apparently go to earth pretty often so maybe we can meet a Nephilim
you missed something obvious: a Fox is a type of dog and therefore fits the hound theme of gluttony
Can't wait to see more places of Hell and what's in it's rings
I hope that we will see bee again soon i like her
Dogs are actually perfect representation of gluttony. I mean dogs don't have the ability to tell when they are full. they will eat themselves to death. It is why you have to keep dog food and anything edible locked up away from them. Dogs will literally eat a bowl full of food and still beg at the table for what they want but not what they need. With hell hounds being show to be more instinctively driven...not only that but when you think about the song...ALL rings and sins of hell give everyone what they want, but never what they need. with people often being to prideful or angry to fully acknowledge that and ask for help. actually the ranking system makes a lot of sense with those 3 being in top when thought about like that.
lust ring focusing on quick physical thrills but never long term loving relationships. ending up with people who want that to be somewhat like blitzo. constantly throwing themselves into quick thrills but never letting themselves being emotionally vulnerable enough to get the loving relationships they actually need. sloth does this as well. all rings due giving people quick ways to distract all while never actually working towards the actual problems at hand and causing far more harm long term.
I would love for you guys to talk about all the species that we saw of hellhounds
4:48-4:56 Beyond stylistic choices, this may imply that there was, or even still is, selective breeding like was done in the real world, showing that hellhounds are very likely a historically exploited group.
It would be HILARIOUS if Mammon turns out to sing smooth jazz XD
Satan and beelzebub are both demons that are also said to be the ruler of hell....I wonder if the rings staking relates how much power a prince has in the hierarchies
I can’t wait to see more princes/princesses of hell in the next stages of helluva boss
I've been thinking. What if a bad vibe is punishment and said punishment is the pound. We know loona been to a party before but what if it's before she was adopted by blitz. The poodles also have a picture of her giving off bad vibes. Events follow. Good loona gose to party, crazy loona happens and is known, good loona gose bad loona, owners before are banned to party's, either by good vibes returning or trip to the pound, loona being adopted again. That's it and I'm sorry the placement errors in the sentence.
It it just me who had absolutely no idea bee was the 'princess' of gluttony. I genuinely had no idea lmao-
I do like you speculating on the world of Hell in Helluva Boss. Even if it's speculation it really interested me in the world and it's inhabitants. 😈👍