The reason JWs don't want people going to a therapist or psychologist/psychiatrist is because they might suggest leaving the cult to help their mental health.
Except I have noticed that my doctors and psychologists and psychiatrists have been involved in Freemasonry and the Jesuits and have been involved in covering up and discrediting reports of abuse and any time I or other family members reported abuse people were paid off to hospitalize and drug and use family court to discredit and set up conservatorships and trusts.
Sad, but true. Their mental health are at stake, and staying in such harmful cults like Jehovah's Witnesses is CLEARLY putting them at further risk of more problems. In some devastating cases, they may end up suffering from suicidal thoughts! 😢😢💔
Shunning, disfellowshipping, is one of the most cruel and destructive behavior that anyone, especially a professed Christian can practice. It must be made illegal, punishable with mandatory rehabilitation of the one who shuns.
La Svizzera ha già emanato una legge contro l'ostracismo dei tag e non ha permesso di costruire una Betel, altre nazioni stanno venendo a conoscenza delle pedofilia nascosta all'interno della congregazione proteggono i pedofili incolpando le vittime, Olanda scoperti centinaia di pedofili e abusi sessuali sui i minori, la WATCHTOWER AMERICANA sta affrontando centinaia di processi in tutto il mondo .DA L'ITALIA SALUTI e buona vita secondo i i vostri desideri .
Is shunning the worst thing that could happen to someone? But how does this compare to Christians teaching that if you don't accept Jesus you will burn and be tortured for eternity IN HELL?. I'd sooner lose a member of my family temporarily. Than spend eternity in Hell.
@@natashapeeters988Yes for Belgium's💪. Netherlands is next. Government investigation will start this year if I'm right. And hopefully after that in court. Shunning is so harmful and should be banned everywhere.
It is a heavy subject but very important. I loved being part of the organization before I learned about all of these things they kept secret. Once I saw the A&E special and all the different experiences, I took it upon my self to research deep into all JW history. Once I found out that there is thousands of lives the organization is responsible for and not talking about it. I developed a crisis of conscience and decided to remove my self from the organization immediately. I remember asking questions to a few close elders and they had no clear answers to me. I indicated to them..That if they stay or any one that stays and knows about all of these crimes. They are just as guilty as the organization and also deserve the punishment for those crimes. There is no excuse for protecting criminals.
Our friend was an elder for 20 years and when he confessed his mom that he had left she said to him, you're making a big mistake, he said no mom now is when my life really starts... but later she woke up too at 83 years old!! And now she says OMG I cant believe I wasted my whole life in this pile of bs. Better late than never, we got out too last year and not looking back, It gets better, hang in there, the best is yet to come.... yes in this system! thanks for your videos. xoxo
I remember at one of the conventions they were telling about an 11 year old boy who died because his parents withheld blood from him. I think his name was Jerold Septor or something like that. Here was the Governing body member praising this couple for letting their son die and all the Witnesses there applauded. This is sick!!! I wish the governing body would be charged with Human rights violations. Thank you 2 for helping to bring these sick sick sick men down.
That is heart breaking. They talk about how horrible it was that children were sacrificed to Molech...Yet here they are sacrificing their children's lives to Jehovahs. Such a loving god.
@@TheExjwFamilyGod is loving. The people who do these things however are not. Jesus loves children, same does God, and He never demand our children as sacrifices. They'r blood is on they'r hands, If they don't repent, Jesus will held them accountable and...well....Lord have mercy. But please don't acuse God, He has nothing to do with what these people believe is right.
I was 4yrs old when my parents became contaminated with this cult, l missed out on all the things other kids took for granted like birthdays,Christmas and being taken to meetings whilst my friends went out having fun. Also being segregated at school from RE lessons and assembly. My parents are long dead but my siblings are all alive and all have been baptised witnesses in the past but only one remains in this cult. The best thing that could happen is that it implodes or gets made an illegal activity to be part of it.
i grew up in this cult. however what you missed out is a F LIE. chirstmas and all the rest is a hoax. you should be greatful for that and start researching. i left the cult as a teenager. i well know what it is.
This happened to me in 2008 when I first got disfellowshipped It drove me to the point of overdosing Obviously I survived And was reinstated in 2015 Now I have woken up for a year now One particular elder knew about my mental health issues And gave a special needs part All he said was go for walks Take up a hobby Learn guitar Play tennis ( All these I’m taking up by the way) And he mentioned nothing else about getting professional help Now I’m in this dark place where not even my Witness friends are reaching out to me I am seeing a counselor who knows about cults and she is so good So yes I can relate to this video
Thank you for sharing. So glad you've connected with a competent counselor, and have support among this community. There is one thing I've observed about JWs that eventually leave - they *care* and they have a *conscience.* Some would call that "Christ-like!"
Hi Gary, thank you for sharing this. I’m so glad to hear that you’re getting therapy. I also struggled with severe depression throughout my childhood growing up in the org. My first serious suicidal plan was at age 5 and of course the treatment was more Watchtower/book studies and private talks alone with the elders. Thankfully I left home and the organization at age 17 immediately following my high school graduation. It wasn’t until my first husband got a DUI and part of his punishment was counseling. Since I was also impacted by his alcohol abuse, they asked me to come too. As soon as I mentioned that I grew up as a JW, they had me scheduling my own appointments! Even though I didn’t consider myself to be a JW, I was terrified to go to a psychologist! I remembered hearing how “dangerous” it was and how it would open our minds up to Satan and his influence. I had no idea what, if anything, of what I learned was really true. I was still very young, around 20. Despite my fears, I went out of rebelliousness anyway! I’m so thankful I did! It certainly helped me get my life together at the time. But years later, I found myself needing to go back to counseling again. I was in my early 30’s and still had extremely violent night terrors of Armageddon and other memories of abuse. It felt like a failure on my part to be needing help again! I thought I was fixed! But it’s definitely not a failure, it’s growth and it’s normal to have triggers affect your life at different times. I certainly hope you’re doing well now! Best wishes and Thank you again for sharing your story!
Thank you for sharing, Gary. I'm glad that you woke up and you've got a councilor informed about cults. The WT puts us in a very dark place when we realize the lies. But we eventually climb out of that darkness and realize what freedom is. Wishing you all the best!
2 friends of mine died by suicide when I was growing up. My father, an elder and abuser, made sure they were not allowed to have a service in the Hall. I’m still so angry.
I'm so sorry for your loss, my friend. NO ONE deserves to lose someone close to them like this. 😢😢💔 Hope you're doing okay there, bud. It breaks my heart to see comments like this. 😔💔
May God help you forgive them, Jesus said forgive. That doesn't mean you should forget, just don't let hatred lead you. God will judge them when time is right (if they don't repent of course)
The suicide thoughts and plans came up before I went to school 🏫, I was victim of CSA from birth until I was 13 years old... they told me that I was a liar because I didn't have 2 witnesses... that takes lives too! Thanks for your videos that I just discovered and subscribed!!
Absolutely. CSA often results in suicide! How much worse to have found the words to ask for help, just to be handed back over to the pedophile by the very ones who most ough to protect you. How are you doing today, Natasha?
@@emmamae1960,thanks, I still have my downs. I'm way better than before. I left not long after my blackmailed baptism, I was 17. For around 6 months I stayed at my house and nobody was talking to me. Even if I didn't have a dime in my pockets: I was better off.
@@natashapeeters988 It, unfortunately, never leaves one completely. But, there is something both healing and life-affirming about taking your voice back, and speaking your truth.
Sorry to hear what you went through, Natasha. And it's so true that CSA leads to suicide. I know it contributed to my darker thoughts at times. The WT has SO much to answer for. I read your other comments and am glad you're in a better place.
Went to a memorial of a 23 year old friend who refused blood for a rare leukemia the brother at the memorial bragged about that sweet young man lived up to his dedication and kept talking about him being in the paradise really hard to deal with this stuff the suicide , pure depression made me leave.
Did someone watch the interview with an ex-bethelite who was in the blood committee 😳... in the USA only in the 3 years he was there: thousands died for lack of blood 😢 transfusions!!! Thousands. On Lloyd Evans Channel, recently.
That is insane...yet somewhat unsurprising in that it sounds like something they would do. We'll have to check that interview out. Thanks for the steer, Natasha.
Atround the age of 12 or 13 I had to have major surgery. My parents were pressing the no blood policy. Fortunately the hospital took them to court for temporary custody for the duration of the treatment. Thankfully all went well, but it tarnished the way I looked at my parents and the organization. . SADLY my mother ended up dying where a blood transfusion may have saved her life. I believed by default, because that's all I knew. I know so much better now.
I would really like to know the numbers of suicides that happen yearly in the organization! I personally went to a funeral of a sister who killed herself and this was back in the early 80's. This is a cold heartless controlling cult. Light is opening up on "the truth" thank you so much for your videos!
Along with dependency on prescription medication, I recall more then a few elders with a strong smell of alcohol on their breath at quite inappropriate times of day. Well before noon for instance. Smoking a cigarette or a joint would get you disfellowshipped, but fortifying one's self with a stiff drink before field service was not condemned. Again, the hypocrisy was so blatant. But in retrospect, I realize self medicating was a coping mechanism needed to endure the soul crushing requirements of the WTO. Glad I escaped without permanent psychological damage. I recall more then a few who weren't so fortunate. Self-harm is more prevalent then the GB would have you believe. Labeling them spiritually weak tends to be the official response. A day of reckoning is close at hand for the WTO, and I eagerly look forward to it.
So sorry for all the lives lost. From the time I've been speaking to former jws/whistle-blowers, I am sure that everyone knows at least one child/youth who has died at the hands of that 's o c i e t y'. Hopelessness in my humble opinion is *not, mental illness. You described it very well 'when they see no other option for them'. The Mayor/Chair of District/Leader of the province and state MUST now pay attention to the big 'why' when religion is involved in people's lives. For some people, their favorite media station is their lifeline and with this pandemic, it too may be enough to provoke hopelessness by the lockups/downs and isolation similar to a shunning experience. There were some great points delivered in a very gentle manner by the both of you. Thank you both so much.
What you say about hopelessness is so true! And the similarities to some of the control measures we're seeing around the world. Your thoughts mean a lot! Thank you for your input and for watching :)
@@TheExjwFamily Always sending my best wishes from Ontario, Canada. I'd be thrilled to be able to visit Ireland. Looking forward with more hope than we were afforded under the wt regime.
@@TheExjwFamily I find when I comment on some channels, words get dropped or changed. I wrote hopelessness is NOT a mental illness in my opinion. It is a common way that psy-opportunists like wt aid suicide.
Funny, because that was how I read your sentence. I was telling someone recently that my brain is very good at fixing words as I read...which is a curse since I'm an editor lol
Thank you muchly. If you ever make it to Ireland, let us know. We've visited Ontario quite a few times. A lot of our friends moved over there. So lots of weddings etc over the years. We had friend in Hamilton and surrounding congregations.
A 23 year old friend died of a rare leukemia within one week after being diagnosed at the memorial last week they made a point of saying he refused the blood transfusion and lived up to his dedication to Jehovah , if you choose not to get blood for your own personal reasons your choice but to use the religion or Jehovah as a excuse to brag about it at his memorial , he may have still passed but to brag about that beautiful young man not getting a blood transfusion made me very sad all Jehovah witnesses don’t do everything that the Bible says. Suicide such a sad situation glad you guys are doing ok.
The blood transfusion issue is one that confused me the most because “Jehovah” doesn’t require a death sentence for those that “ate blood”, so how on earth does Watchtower get away with this?!?! My experience with this blood issue was with my grandma (at the time -2001 was a baptized, dedicated JW for over 40yrs). She had a tumor in her intestine which was depleting her hemoglobin, therefore her oxygen to a life threatening low level. She needed surgery, but the doctors explained that they couldn’t open her up with these levels so dangerously low. They argued with the HLC committee elders that there was not enough time for the alternative replacement/treatments, that this lack of oxygen was shutting her organs down. The bottom line was if she didn’t begin having a blood transfusion of several units that evening in order to get into surgery within a few hours, she would be dead by tomorrow. She was absolutely terrified! She loved life and didn’t want to die, but she was being told that she didn’t have a choice. The elders kept reminding her of the other friends who had faith in Jehovah and would be resurrected. And then kept saying “You don’t want to be cut off FOREVER, Do You Sister”??? The elders were just upsetting her more, causing her cardiac monitor alarm to go off, and surprisingly my grandma told them to leave! Once we were sure they left, I asked her if I could show her something from her own NWT Bible before she made this decision to leave us. With tears running down her face, she agreed to listen to what I needed her to think about. I started reading the standard scriptures they use, Leviticus 17:14: 14. For the life of every sort of flesh is its blood, because the life is in it. Consequently, I said to the Israelites: “You must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh because the life of every sort of flesh is its blood. Anyone eating it will be cut off. “ That’s where she stopped me and said “See, you’ll be cut off, I’ll be cut off and lose my eternal life for taking blood!” I asked if she’s sure that’s what’s meant by “cut off”? She said “Oh yes! Don’t you see what it says? It means I’ll lose my eternal life”! I grabbed her hand and asked her to please just listen to these next 2 verses because it explains what is meant by “cut off”. I continued to read Leviticus 17: 15-16: 15. “If anyone, whether a native or a foreigner, eats an animal found dead or one torn by a wild animal, he must then wash his garments and bathe in water and be unclean until the evening; then he will be clean. 16. “But if he does not wash them and does not bathe himself, he will answer for his error.” I explained “See! It commands one who ate blood to TAKE A BATH & WASH THEIR CLOTHES, and then come sundown, they were considered clean before Jehovah again! According to these verses, the part that would have to be answered for is not washing properly after this. Sooo… Do you hear anything about them being put to death”??? I had to read it to her in its entirety several times over, but eventually she realized that it most certainly was NOT the death penalty! She was still concerned that the “life is in the blood” because life is precious to Jehovah. I asked her what was more important… a symbol for something or the actual thing that it symbolizes? What is more important, stopping at a stop sign or the metal sign/symbol itself? (🤦🏼♀️ I couldn’t think of a better example at the time!) But, it made sense to her that her life was something more precious and had more meaning than the blood that symbolizes life. Her fears visibly turned to anger and she said “Well, if Jehovah didn’t require death of those who ate blood, who the hell is the Watchtower to do this”?! Thankfully, she immediately called the nurse into her room and told her to get her that blood! She was absolutely infuriated that they would demand that she die when that wasn’t something Jehovah required. This was the beginning of her slow waking up process. But at least she was alive to make her own decisions! Thank you for letting me share this with you! I think it’s an extremely important issue to remind ex-JW’s about because they may still have their “No Blood” card hidden in their wallet or purse. Out of sight - Out of mind! Or their religious affiliation with JW’s may still be in their medical records on file at the local hospital which would give staff every reason to believe you would still refuse blood in case of emergency/unconsciousness. It would just be a shame to finally make it out of the cult and still end up being a martyr to a publishing company! 🥰
What an incredible story, Rachelle. Thank you so much for sharing it. I'm glad you could guide your grandmother through that difficult time and help her make an informed decision. And that she slowly woke up! It's so true about the blood card and medical record issues. We contacted all our doctors and hospitals to make sure any mention of being a JW was removed from our records. We hope that everyone does the same to be on the safe side.
The gb doesn't know the difference between a blood transfusion into the veins, and eating blood through the digestive system. The gb are really dangerous. My youngest daughter was in the devil's playground for about 7 years and she told me she had that no blood card crap. I told her to look at her little children, and asked her who will raise them if she died? How would it be for them not to have their mom anymore because of a cult rule? She changed her mind and told whoever she will not abide with that rule. Amen. The wt takes away natural affection and that's very damaging to everyone.
Great point you raised at Leviticus 17: 15-16. Absolutely wipes out WT's reasoning on their deadly policy. This organization now realizes they screwed up with this policy in the past. It is proved by the fact they now allow all "fractions" (conscience matter of course). 2 examples 1) Hemoglobin since 2000. They allow HBOCs (hemoglobin based oxygen carriers) which is either cow's blood or out of date bags of human blood, modified by removing the hemoglobin & bonding it to an artificial carrier. This has a lot of dangers if used at this stage is not approved for humans in most countries. Yet WT approve it. I know in Australia where the medical authorities allowed it to be used on a young sister. (Google Tamara Coakley ABC news) Most witnesses would be so desperate to live they would rather use a dangerous alternative rather than real blood which has far fewer risks. Prior to 2000 this product would have been forbidden. 2) WT forbids whole plasma. However they allow in print this "fraction" Cryoprecipitate Plasma (concentrated components of plasma obtained by a cooling process). The other left over product is Cryo-Depleted Plasma which is also used in treatments. WT also allow this but don't put this in print. ONLY IF YOU PHONE THE BRANCH OR HLC will they advise you it's conscience matter. They deliberately keep people in the dark on this one because anyone with a brain can reason if your allowed both parts of the plasma separately & the 2 parts equals complete plasma, why aren't you allowed whole plasma in the 1st place?? This highlights that WT are a very deceptive, lying twisted blood guilty organization.
(My comment is going to be a bit 'out there,' but something insde me says there is truth in it.) CT Russell, may have been the founder of the Watchtower magazine, But it was Joseph Rutherford who constructed the religion. It is noteworthy that whereas Russell considered individual Christians to be brethern, Rutherford instituted the notion that only persons faithful to Watchtower (ie Rutherford) had God's favor. This came about after there had been multiple exoduses from under Rutherford's leadership, which greatly angered him.
My husband was diagnosed with cancer his surgeon brought up blood factors he wanted to research it that's what started him to wake up. A dear friend lost her life giving birth to her 5th baby because she refused blood her oldest was only 7. Her story was used as a fine example it broke my heart. Her husband who said that he lost his sole mate remarried 5mths later.
@@ms.anonymousinformer242 exactly what I thought if he was ready to move on the kids deserved better. The sad thing is she was done after her 3rd she loved her kids but he was an elder so received little help. He got what he deserved as none of the kids are in his life
How terrible! And all because a handful of men decided she should die...with no good reason. It disgusts me that they use such ones as a fine example. "Look, we killed this person. How amazing are they!"
@@TheExjwFamily they now say it was always a personal choice I've known some who were disfellowship because they accepts blood. But what really gets me is they say they never held ones up as examples for refusing blood 🤯😡I honestly feel that they are waiting for ones my generation to die off so there is no one to call out there lies.
Cheers for bringing such a terrible reality that is the 'Killer-Watchtower'!!! Love your channel & so want to ask you to hunt down my freaking daughter who is ghosting me & is in Shepperton UK, oii... Not jw even though I am an exjw but this ghosting/shunning is torture considering I'm in Australia!!! Good health to you all.
On the 8th of November 2021 Nicole my beautiful wife had surgery and told me if I ever give her a blood transfusion she'll divorce me. The doctors approached me and said Nicole has a.medical directive that forbids her husband Justin Porter having any say in her care. The question states, is there anyone who you don,t want involved in your care ? YES Justin Porter .I rang up Nicole,s non jw father and explained ,I can,t over ride her medical directive he understood and thanked me. I have to tred lightly I don,t want Nicole to divorce me but I can,t let her die. She survived without blood but next time she may not be so lucky. Hopefully Nicole wakes up before it's to late. I get on with Nicoles father so well now and have apologised for been so distant with him. I,'ve told him I may not ever be able to wake up his daughter before she really does need a blood transfusion. I hate those 8 sumo wrestlers in New York who live a life of luxury and get treated like kings while jws die from no blood and suiside from shunning. Thats why I make videos. I love your channel Pat and Katie and your videos take away my loneliness. Justin porter ex jw
Much love to you, Justin. So sorry to hear what a nightmare they're putting you through, Justin. We hope Nicole wakes up soon! Watched several of your videos and really enjoyed them. Please keep making them. You never know who else they might help.
Nicole has softened her attitude towards me since Sept 2018. Jws are supposed to hate all apostates but she loves me. I,m glad you like my videos it,s funny how Nicole refuses to watch them she's never asked me why I left. A few jws have asked me in the street why I left ? I just direct them to my videos. Thanks Pat and Katie for replying to my comment.
I am so glad that the two of you got out. I was never a JW. But my father's side of the family is. "Dark" is an understatement. My cousins are so messed up. Abuse that was physical, sexual and mental took their toll. My parents kept my sister and I away from all of it. But, watching videos like this has given me a deeper understanding of what they endured. Thank you.
I’m a PIMO AND it’s getting hard for me to get through this but by watching you guys and other exjw content it’d helping me alot I’m 23 going on 24 next month. I have dreams of becoming an Astrophysicist/rocket engineer. Never been to college before but I’ll try my best to get in. Thank you guys
Buddy, I know how it feels. It does get better. Hang in there. Also, grab those dreams no matter what you do! Totally jealous you woke up so young and that you'll be an Astrophysicist/rocket engineer. I've always wanted to be a quantum physicist. Perhaps one day :)
@@TheExjwFamily that’s awesome, that you wanted to be a physicist.thank you for the encouragement. Want to here another crazy thing I’m still with my family, The Whole thing is complicated to leave!
I’m a PIMO here too! If you have dreams go for it!!! Wish you the best! Enjoy life decently- the life God gave us is to enjoy it, learn, grow, become a better person every day!
Your channel is a great channel. Your videos are extremely relevant. You expose and analyze this cult without the slightest bitterness or resentment. Thank you, your channel will help a lot of PIMI, PIMO, POMI but also with the POMO to make peace with their past.
Layman, this comment means so much to us. This is what we want this channel to be. A resource to help folks in various stages of recovery. And to achieve that, we feel it's important to approach subjects with a level head. Thank you!
@@ndiditheodore8272 Who were waiting for the eminence of the end are all dead: Russel (deceased), Rutherford (deceased), Knorr (deceased), and yet the end was always at hand as they liked to say to every time. You will never see the great persecution because it will never come so you will die like all the others without having seen anything like all the others. So yes, a little more time, and soon the new double and superimposed generation (absurd) which must not pass (like all the others) will pass (like all the others). In short, the eternal restart. Followers are formatted to blindly follow men who continually go around in circles waiting for a great tribulation that will not come. There is no longer a pilot on the plane and the plane loses altitude every year. So let history take care of putting this American publishing company into oblivion. If one day (in the 2040s) my grandchildren ask me “grandpa, what was this Watchtower ? I would answer them... The very epitome of human vanity.
You are very brave for talking about these issues. I hope you keep doing it because it’s really necessary. People need to know that this religion is not about love and world peace, but rather quite the oposite.
Iam sooo VERY proud of both of you you took your POWER BACK and choose to not be ruled by FEAR any more . the most SINISTER part and like you said HOW DAIR THAY PUT PEOPLE IN THOSE KIND OF PLACES . YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR WORTH IS YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE. YOU .OVE YOUSELVES WITH UNCONDITIONAL LOVE The only people that can control YOU IS IF YOU DONT RECOGNIZE YOUR RIGHTS TO FREE CHOICE AND SPEECH AND IF YOU HAVE low self esteem I don't mean to sound mean but I suffered with this for 56 years thay control me until I woke up. The freedom of choice and voice is God gaven I took my freedom back and it's been wonderful I have found some very sweet friends in the world AND Thats been a blessing thank you for sharing my true brother and sister ❤ 🙏 PS. About Armageddon, Why would God murder all those people who use HIS GIFT of freedom of choice MAKING A LIAR OF HIMSELF GOING AGAINST HIM SELF 🤔 JUST REASON DEAR ONES
Hey., my fellow Irishman !!! well you’re the true Gaelic man,I’m actually a yankee, however my grandparents are from cork. Listen, keep on keeping up ! You folks are doing terrific.😉
I want to tell you people my experience in the whole issue on blood transfusions. I've had a heart attack and my lungs were filled with water (I think) and I had to go into another hospital ER in Portland, ME. Where I had to get an open heart bypass surgery. And it requires a blood transfusion to proceed with the operation. And I didn't hesitate to let them. I wouldn't be here in Maine if it weren't for it
Thanks for sharing. Glad you got the healthcare you needed and took that transfusion! It's is crazy how you wouldn't be here if you had followed their lies. Thank goodness you went with your gut!
Thanks for sharing. I can't articulate how mad I am about this deceitful organization. I've been in service and had people say there are so many vultures because God is getting them ready for after Armageddon. Shunning is used on war criminals. Prisoners are put in solidarity confinement, thus shunned. The assassination of character when shunned. I haven't even experienced shunning yet, but this is how I think of it. I had a difficult talk with my wife about her blood card as she doesn't trust me being on it anymore. I told her I would let her die if she put it in writing. It just seems impossible to wake her up.
Thanks for sharing bud. I know it can feel hopeless. But as per my other comment, it can happen. It just takes time and patience and tact. Kind of like using their own tactics against them. I hope you wake your wife up one day. Hang in there bud.
The open and honest way you guys present facts along with personal experience is really refreshing. Your 'Crow' anecdote brought back some deep seated feeling of my father who became a JW later in life. The palpable glee at which he observed disaters affecting human life and suffering on the TV news, and the way he shot a jolly knowing glance at my step mother to convey the oncoming end of times prediction/narative literally discusted me. A once affable, convivial and objective man, the cult turned him into a passive agressive, bitter, self-aggrandising, pious, homophobic and quite unlikeable bigot. How this cult is even considered a loving organisation on any level is beyond me.
I heard from an elder and his wife whose son was disfellowshipped if I remember correctly who called his parents (elders) and shot and killed him self while on the phone with them.
As I recall when the incidents of suicide occurred, when I was an active publisher the organization would use these incidents to drive home the point that if we didn't remain faithful, the same would befall us! And yet they disfellowship. Wow!!
This cult had from its origin an expiry date ("the generation of 1914"). Today this product is well past its consumption date, so it is not surprising that this product can smell worse and worse. The decomposition of this organism will continue naturally until it makes this cult unbreathable. Today, I think this cult is destined to self-destruct. It seems inevitable to me. This cult is totally irreformable by nature. There is no plan B. Year after year, this cult is destabilized by reinterpreting its own interpretations. The Watchtower is today out of breath interpretive. The abyss is approaching and the work team surrounding the management no longer understands what is going on. Even the passing of time seems to be amused to see so many "happy imbeciles" waiting for great persecution that will never come. This business is on the verge of a nervous breakdown. The cognitive dissonance is getting stronger and stronger. The pressure increases and the breaking point approaches. It is not surprising that in the face of this situation many JWs are more and more depressed.
Their plan b was the invention of the overlapping generation teaching! Like that generation after generation is overlapping and that the interpretation!🤦🏽♀️ doesn’t make sense and IWs can’t even explain it because omit doesn’t make sense!!
I've been a JW over 30 years ago in Waterville, Maine. I'm not anymore because of their rules forbidding me from getting the blood transfusions ANYWHERE
Oh my goodness, I'm so glad I found your channel. Thanks so much for speaking out, this is so unbelievably real. I myself am not a JW but my brother is, and he is acting erratically and making life changing decisions and I don't know how to help. My brother resigned last week, effective immediately and he left his salary, and left his apartment and moved back home, he left his car and literally gave away every single thing. He's also given up furthering his studies, he was doing a PhD and says he never wants to study again and quit his studies. Why? Because he wants to live on the streets and preach the coming of the kingdom of heaven. We are completely at a loss, we got him admitted into a psychiatric ward today. I just want to find out from you, is this what JW's preach? It's outrageous! Do you have any advice as to how we can help him gain his life back? He keeps saying he needs to be in good standing. What can we do?
I love the both of you. Great Great advice and suggestions. The GB will most definitely pay for what they have done. No question. This organization is responsible for every suicide due to this CULT'S rules and policies. The GB are accessory to murder, when it comes to the suicides and their blood doctrines. The GB knows very well what they are doing and its ALL intentional. The GB knows the depths of the JW members depression and extreme anxiety. The GB DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO GET THESE INDIVIDUALS PROFESSIONAL HELP, FULLY KNOWING THAT THEY ARE MOSTLY POOR AND HAVE VERY LITTLE MEANS, OR HEALTH INSURANCE. The more JWS tell their story the more this DOOMSDAY CULT gets EXPOSED and will soon pay for what they have done to JWS lives. The GB'S deception is very SATANIC and WICKED. Its goes AGAINST everything that the True God stands for and it's not the God of Watchtower. The GB'S God is Satan himself being disguised through this CULT as the true God. The ORGIN OF THIS CULTY RELIGION PROVES THAT.
@@TheExjwFamily Some will accuse you of using your channel to spread hate for profit. Ignor this. You are devoting a lot of time out of love and concern. We all know that - even the haters! The coinage is a small reward for having an interesting channel! And for your listeners, it is an easy way to lend support to your efforts, by giving a bit of time to your sponsors.
I have family here in Barbados who are in this faith and defend them even though persons like yourself are so bold as to say what happened to them, May The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob continue to reveal himself to you
The questions by elders is jaw dropping.. They even want to know the full details of the deed!!!! But what measures do they take kick abusers out.. 😔😔😔
Hi new subscriber here. This might be a dark subject but very necessary. My whole life dominated by religious dogma from Roman Catholic, JW, Baptist. Never good enough for an insatiable god. I tried to end my life at 12 years old because I felt that I would never measure up. 60 years young now and I’m done. Pick a god any god , everyone’s a winner. I am free of it all. I love each day, the early morning frosts , the rain on my face , the smiles of my grandchildren and the kindness shared by worldly people. Take care everyone. The Universe invited us here, live each day as best you can because you do matter. Thank you for your posts. Maureen.
Hi The Exjw Family! I posted a comment with contact information for a prevention line in Australia but the RUclips filter seems to have eaten it. Please consider checking for it on your video management pages and allowing it? Thank you for covering an important but difficult subject.
Thank you Bob. I'll dig in the comments and see if we can find it. We might have to include a few numbers in the description including the one you posted. Appreciate the heads up!
I agree.They believe receiving the blood is a sin. Why didn't they ask Jesus for forgiveness for receiving the blood transfusion? Jesus sacrificed for us. We don't have to sacrifice for organization.
So happy that you and your family got out and able to see clearly ❤. I have some family that are still in the organization. I hope they see the truth soon and enjoy life with family soon.
I call the wt, the devil's playground. They don't teach grace, salvation through Christ Jesus, that there is heaven and hell, etc. This is why they have all of the dangerous rules. Satan whispers in the gb's ears.😈 Love always my friends. It's a blessing you're out. 🍃❤✝️❤🍃
@@TheExjwFamily 🍃❤🍃 My heart goes out to you, and you're in my prayers. You 2 are strong and smart, and excellent activists! You are helping people to wake from the darkness. Amen.🙏 Keep on my friends. Keep on.❤ I wish I could visit Ireland. I've always wanted to go there. You should post some pics! 😁👌
So true .... The Jesus I know would never push me to do such evil practices ....and if my pastor ever demanded such " beliefs" , I'd recognize the wolf in sheep's clothes and run for the hills.
@@lindacooper3757 Amen my sister in Christ! Our church would recognize the same wolves. It's a hard thing for me to try to wrap my head around how millions of people in the wt actually do not read or understand the Bible. Especially the gb members.🤔 I pray that the Father leads them to His Son for salvation as He did for Ray Franz. Amen!🙏🙏 God bless, and have a beautiful day! 🍃✝️🍃🪻
I was asked to help a brother re-do the territory cards for the congregation and I went to his house one Saturday so he could show me the software. We didn't accomplish much in that meeting but I got to know a little about him. He and his wife had recently returned to the congregation after living on the west coast for a number of years. The same week, I went out in field service and found out he was found dead of suicide. I just remember being so shocked. I didn't detect that from him at all. But turns out his brother and father both had done the same. So the brothers were aware of the history and that he had attempted it before. Not saying it would have been a different outcome, but I wondered quite a bit about how much he was encouraged to seek actual help, rather than the "pray to Jehovah" remedy. I felt so bad for his wife.
A questioning JW told me that the suicide rate with JWs is disproportionately high, and said JW beliefs help them choose that course of action - e.g. nothing to fear by ceasing to exist in any form when you die. But there is always a better option than suicide; it's just that JWs aren't allowed to think that there is. There is!
Thank you for sharing your experiences , I can relate to Kalie , as I too was wonce a pioneer in Cork over 20 years ago . I was (Trafficed) in there by my oldest sister who abused me as a child when she took me back home from Hospital
back to the Convent where I was still in care ,she and my other two sisters sail they followed me in . It was there I got married to John , three years later after six mounth celibate courtship which as you know was a recowerment
my three sisters , set -up my Husband John , by targeting our two children 2 and 10 mounths old . My oldest sister took myself and the children in her car down to Tarelton to my father's who in the past had raped all five of his daughters .I remember half of the journey and have no memory of what happened or how I got home .When John got home that evening , I told him that I and the children had been taken down to my father's, John was skeard for the children's safety and asked was I keeping an eye on them but I couldn't tell him , I was completely off my game and was frothing at the mouth yelling things which where completely out of character and John gave me a Trump on the shoulder out of desperation and fear for the children and what might have taken place that I could 'nt tell him . In my past childhood she would pick me up from the children's Home on occasions and drop me back and I also have no memories of what happened but in recent years I had a breakdown and flash backs The elders dislfellowshiped John on so called wife betting , after him giving 8 years of clean standing it turns out my sisters when committing immorality with the elders themselves as Cork congregation was notorious for wife swapping and they used it as a way to get rid of any who did not whan to get involved .They didn't show this side of them until we got married . John left for England and myself and the children followed I was acouple of mounths pregnant and went on to have five children altogether, and that's not all they did ...... I wish I could talk on video like you do I have learning difficulties and am not go at computers my Husband John , also has brain damage and to this day is extremely Tramatized by what the jw's have done to us as a family so sorry for such a long reply but it won't take you half as long to read as it was for me to Wright it Ps; after all these years we still don't feel we can trust or mix with people everything is kept very supperficial
Oh Catherine, it breaks my heart to hear of your experiences and the trauma you and your family have suffered. Please know that you will always find support here and someone to listen to you. Sending love!
My greatest love and respect for you. I sincerely hope organizations like JW will just be outlawed one day. The damage they are doing is just to great.
Yes there isn’t anyone I know except hubby and I who didn’t drink regularly. Every get together whether group or just us and another couple there was always alcohol being consumed. My friends I’m sure are alcoholics. One drank every time I went to her place for play dates and would even make cocktails. I’m not surprised that they rely on alcohol to numb out the painful life that women particularly especially if you have children because it’s extremely sexist and women have to do everything and slave for their families. The. Men get to just work and also drink and go fishing which seems to be the men’s obsession. Women are burnt out trying to keep themselves on the hamster wheel. They are in abusive toxic relationships with the organisation and with their husbands too.
no one has any right to exclude another human being from thier family or loved ones.no one has a right to tell another what their sexuality should or should not be.
What is it with old school JWs and their birds?! My mom would say, anytime she saw a flock of any kind of birds, "Come gather for the feast of the great day of Jehovah!" with the glee of a child. 🙄 You know you're in a doomsday cult when.... quoting Revelation and envisioning birds eating the flesh of dead bodies makes you smile.
I live near a bank in Brooklyn Where I often see witnesses preaching There are pigeons who perch on top of the bank One day, a witness was telling a passerby that the pigeons will eat the dead bodies at Armeageddon And she said that with a big smile on her face! 😱😱😱😱😱
This is the problem! There is nowhere for them to go. No one for them to speak to. It's an evil measure the WT uses to control. So sad. I wish we had a good answer, but we don't.
I was raised a witness and stopped going when I was a teenager I didn't realize how indoctrinated I was until I was much older. I didn't want blood if anything were to happen to me and it wasn't until I watched a RUclips video that talked about blood that I changed my mind. He posed the question "does the life sanctify the blood or does the blood sanctify the life? During an infusion your body utilizes the blood not consumes it." I hated birthdays holidays symbolically passed on the passover meal reading the Bible for years made me change my mind on alot of things and I no longer battle depression I have my days where I'm down but I'm genuinely happy with life with my lord something that most witnesses cannot boast since Jesus died for the annointed and not the common man even though the Bible says the opposite of that.
I'm proud to be DF. When I as a Craftsman worked for Witnesses....some were cool....some I didn't get paid. I'm proud to stand up for CSA and protect my Adult Kids and now Grandchildren. The WT idiots only care about money to Armageddon and really don't understand when our Lord and Savior meant when putting Children on His knee and expressed care for our "Tender Age" Young Ones. The average window washer / janitor Elder doesn't understand the " Good Samaritan" principle. Give this idiots a break. They're loosing cash like the Titanic lost passengers. It's about cash. From Rutherford's 2 Cadillacs in the Great Depression to the contributions to the WWW. It's about counting beans in Walkill.
I'm sorry but here in the United States if you call a suicide hotline or a crisis line that the first thing that happens is eight police officers will show up at your door and they will Baker Act you! They will send you to an institution that does not care about you they will not give you medications even if you already are on medications. I just went through this I was having very dark thoughts and thought Oh I'll call one of those hotlines which I did the biggest mistake I ever made in my life! Like I said about 30 minutes after I got off the phone 8 police officers knocked on my door I felt like I was looking at a SWAT team. I was already in a mental state that was not conducive to being attacked or feeling attacked like that, and then they would not let me go into my house and get anyting they were going to arrest me if I did not come with them peacefully and they put me in a car and took me to a psychiatric unit which when I got there there were people laying on the floor and there were people in agony crying hysterical talking to themselves you name it it was happening. I take heavy doses of medication that is necessary for my survival they never did an intake to even ask me what kind of medications I was taking they left me on the floor for 12 hours and then I started vomiting uncontrollably I was the only one that was doing that. They did nothing to help me the people that helped me where the patients they were wiping my face and trying to help me get off the floor. And then the psychiatric facility didn't want me so they sent me to a hospital I sat in a hallway and a hospital for another 12 hours with no saline no medication no food nothing I had an accident no one would help me clean up I tried to go to the bathroom to take care of myself and try to get a drop of water on my tongue from the sink. That's when they decided they were going to pay attention that I was even there. I was grabbed in a way that was extremely painful bruised a rib and broke a rib I have a disease that I do not heal from those types of injuries I have a very severe case of muscular dystrophy. And I went in on December 30th at 7 a.m. finally saw a doctor on January 3rd at about 1 p.m. I couldn't even hold my head up to talk to him. I had had no food or water the entire time that I have been there nor any type of saline IV. I never saw a psychiatrist or talk to any medical personnel or was able to explain why I even called the hotline. I was not suicidal I was just having the blues I was having a lot going on in my life and was needing someone to talk to just to try to get a few things off my chest to help me to cope. However during that stay at that hospital that's all I could think about was I wanted to kill myself I finally realized that nobody in this world cares about me but myself no family no person no medical personnel no one loves or cares about me. I only have myself. So anyway I left the hospital my daughter picked me up she did even ask them do I need to bring her clothes they said no when she came to get me, and then when she got there they were like oh do you have clothes for her. they didn't even have my correct name after two hours she was finally able to track me down and she took me home it is taking me a week now to get any sort of semblance of normality as far as being back on my own medications I haven't even spoken to my doctor yet supposed to talk to her today but I just want to advise anybody who wants to call a hotline or crisis line please for heaven sakes do-not-call one of them call a friend a family member your neighbor anybody but a hotline. If there's anybody else out there that's had the same experience I would love to know. Peace out
Sounds like what happened to me but my parents were the people that kept calling the police and institutionalized me any time I reported abuse and kept everything in their name and took the car keys away and used family court to discredit me and kept me under a conservatorship.
We do not know what exists in the corner of the universe. We dont know what lives in the botom of the sea. We dont know what awaits us when we close our eyes to death, no one has come back to confirm it. But we can be sure of is our friends and family that loves us dearly. Kind regards Wickus. Freshexjw💙
I saw so much suicide in the Watchtower my first week at Brooklyn Bethel my room made jumped out a factory window many others many including a family member
Hi guys. I m not a JW, but I ve known many. I m in Ireland and know an Elder from a Dublin congregation got DFed for going to the Gardai over a child abuse case. Whole family then left. I ve other similarly disturbing stories. Small enough community in Ireland, you guys heard of this?
Yeah, we've heard about it and know a few folks who have been involved with such things. It's a crying shame folks are put through such a thing. Good on that ex Elder for doing what was right and thank goodness the family left!
@@TheExjwFamily -- what reason did they give the elder for disfellowshipping him? -- especially if he did not commit some sin that he was found to be unrepentant for -- how did they justify the disfellowshipping?
I was never directly told to "pray the gay away" but that was clearly what they expected my to do. I'm in an area were the witnesses aren't super conservative, so I think the elders were a bit to embarrassed to tell me that, but they were clearly trying to lead me to that conclusion. never mind my insistence that "being trans is not the same" they just expected me to deal and stop talking about it.
They aren't exactly known for nuance so it doesn't surprise me that they have trouble telling the difference between gay and trans. What a moronic setup.
Your spot on .the jehovah witnesses do kill people but in a sutle way. At the end of the day they are extremists .I have been out a long time and have no intention of ever going back .I am so glad you have both woke up and your three beautiful children are gonna have a normal life ❤
When eight men in New York control millions of followers, there will be pain and despair. Run from this cult dear ones. Run fast. Your eternal salvation (and mine) is incredibly simple: Put your hope, faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as you Savior... you sole mediator... to God.
That's A Bit Of A Harsh Statement..!!But To Be Fair..Your Really Right.. I Had A Intresting Situation Arise with my youngest. But I Had a Fantastic surgeon and Anesthesiologist.. So No Blood was Required, At The End..He Came Up To Me And Said , "I Wouldn't Use Blood In My Family Either,, I Looked At Him With Shock... Why He Said he Three Options That Can be Used, Ringers Solution, Hemoglobin, or Drextion fluid Where Cleaner and far Safer Options... Now with Corona. I Definitely Wont Be Using It..
Hearing you Jeremy. I (Paddy) would still rather only use blood as a last resort option. But yeah, some of our statements are on the nose. But we figure it's a good way to get the message across.
That’s your Anesthesiologist’s choice. I support his right to make it. The problem is the ‘Governing Body’ of Jehovah’s Witnesses taking away the right of others to make their own choice, lest they lose their family and friends to shunning.
Do please get hold of a copy of DOOMSDAY DECEPTION - The Rise and Fall of the Watchtower Society. It was published on July 29, 2021 when it was brought to the attention of the GB. Within weeks Pastor Russell's graveside pyramid monument was swiftly removed, having lain forgotten and neglected for 105 years. The book reveals what was hidden inside the hollow pyramid. This knee-jerk reaction illustrates how the organisation is increasingly paranoid - It is all but finished - it's just a matter of time and this book tells all and is the first forensically accurate history of the Watchtower Society which tells the story from beginning to the END of the organisation. Take back control of your life and the sacred independence of your personality. - I am an ex JW and my investigative journalism has been regularly published in the British press since the early 1970's. Good luck
Our daughter is on multiple medications and is getting more and more withdrawn. I hope she comes upon your videos. Oh and our grandson just married his JW girlfriend, and they have been told not to have children, because the end of the world is imminent l.
The reason JWs don't want people going to a therapist or psychologist/psychiatrist is because they might suggest leaving the cult to help their mental health.
So true!
Except I have noticed that my doctors and psychologists and psychiatrists have been involved in Freemasonry and the Jesuits and have been involved in covering up and discrediting reports of abuse and any time I or other family members reported abuse people were paid off to hospitalize and drug and use family court to discredit and set up conservatorships and trusts.
Facts
Sad, but true. Their mental health are at stake, and staying in such harmful cults like Jehovah's Witnesses is CLEARLY putting them at further risk of more problems. In some devastating cases, they may end up suffering from suicidal thoughts! 😢😢💔
That's a LIE l go to the kingdom hall of Jehovah's witnesses and ALSO see a psychiatrist.
YOU are LIEING
Shunning, disfellowshipping, is one of the most cruel and destructive behavior that anyone, especially a professed Christian can practice. It must be made illegal, punishable with mandatory rehabilitation of the one who shuns.
It is so cruel as you point out! Those would be good measures.
They have 1 victory ✌ 🙌 in Belgium 🇧🇪... waiting to see if watchtower appeal.
Would be fantastic to win on European 🇪🇺 scene 😀 👍
La Svizzera ha già emanato una legge contro l'ostracismo dei tag e non ha permesso di costruire una Betel, altre nazioni stanno venendo a conoscenza delle pedofilia nascosta all'interno della congregazione proteggono i pedofili incolpando le vittime, Olanda scoperti centinaia di pedofili e abusi sessuali sui i minori, la WATCHTOWER AMERICANA sta affrontando centinaia di processi in tutto il mondo .DA L'ITALIA SALUTI e buona vita secondo i i vostri desideri .
Is shunning the worst thing that could happen to someone? But how does this compare to Christians teaching that if you don't accept Jesus you will burn and be tortured for eternity IN HELL?. I'd sooner lose a member of my family temporarily. Than spend eternity in Hell.
@@natashapeeters988Yes for Belgium's💪. Netherlands is next. Government investigation will start this year if I'm right. And hopefully after that in court. Shunning is so harmful and should be banned everywhere.
People please wake up and RUN and RUN and RUN as FAST as you can to get away from this distractive cult before is to late for you and your children
Amen 🙏!!!!
Double Amen!
It is a heavy subject but very important. I loved being part of the organization before I learned about all of these things they kept secret. Once I saw the A&E special and all the different experiences, I took it upon my self to research deep into all JW history. Once I found out that there is thousands of lives the organization is responsible for and not talking about it. I developed a crisis of conscience and decided to remove my self from the organization immediately. I remember asking questions to a few close elders and they had no clear answers to me. I indicated to them..That if they stay or any one that stays and knows about all of these crimes. They are just as guilty as the organization and also deserve the punishment for those crimes. There is no excuse for protecting criminals.
I agree
I so agree with you...
Me too I always secretly when In thought that if I were in that position I would take it and not tell anyone
I stay only to try and wake people up, but I know my days are numbered.
@@Jay-yp3oq same here
Our friend was an elder for 20 years and when he confessed his mom that he had left she said to him, you're making a big mistake, he said no mom now is when my life really starts... but later she woke up too at 83 years old!! And now she says OMG I cant believe I wasted my whole life in this pile of bs. Better late than never, we got out too last year and not looking back, It gets better, hang in there, the best is yet to come.... yes in this system! thanks for your videos. xoxo
So happy you guys are out and things turned out well for your friend and his mum. We appreciate your kind words :) Best wishes!
Congrats!
I remember at one of the conventions they were telling about an 11 year old boy who died because his parents withheld blood from him. I think his name was Jerold Septor or something like that. Here was the Governing body member praising this couple for letting their son die and all the Witnesses there applauded. This is sick!!! I wish the governing body would be charged with Human rights violations. Thank you 2 for helping to bring these sick sick sick men down.
Amen!
That is heart breaking. They talk about how horrible it was that children were sacrificed to Molech...Yet here they are sacrificing their children's lives to Jehovahs. Such a loving god.
@Hello Everyone To Hell with ALL Jehovah's Witnesses. HAIL SATAN!
@@TheExjwFamilyGod is loving. The people who do these things however are not. Jesus loves children, same does God, and He never demand our children as sacrifices. They'r blood is on they'r hands, If they don't repent, Jesus will held them accountable and...well....Lord have mercy.
But please don't acuse God, He has nothing to do with what these people believe is right.
I was 4yrs old when my parents became contaminated with this cult, l missed out on all the things other kids took for granted like birthdays,Christmas and being taken to meetings whilst my friends went out having fun. Also being segregated at school from RE lessons and assembly. My parents are long dead but my siblings are all alive and all have been baptised witnesses in the past but only one remains in this cult. The best thing that could happen is that it implodes or gets made an illegal activity to be part of it.
i grew up in this cult. however what you missed out is a F LIE. chirstmas and all the rest is a hoax. you should be greatful for that and start researching. i left the cult as a teenager. i well know what it is.
This happened to me in 2008 when I first got disfellowshipped It drove me to the point of overdosing Obviously I survived And was reinstated in 2015 Now I have woken up for a year now One particular elder knew about my mental health issues And gave a special needs part All he said was go for walks Take up a hobby Learn guitar Play tennis ( All these I’m taking up by the way) And he mentioned nothing else about getting professional help Now I’m in this dark place where not even my Witness friends are reaching out to me I am seeing a counselor who knows about cults and she is so good So yes I can relate to this video
Thank you for sharing. So glad you've connected with a competent counselor, and have support among this community. There is one thing I've observed about JWs that eventually leave - they *care* and they have a *conscience.* Some would call that "Christ-like!"
Hi Gary, thank you for sharing this. I’m so glad to hear that you’re getting therapy. I also struggled with severe depression throughout my childhood growing up in the org. My first serious suicidal plan was at age 5 and of course the treatment was more Watchtower/book studies and private talks alone with the elders. Thankfully I left home and the organization at age 17 immediately following my high school graduation. It wasn’t until my first husband got a DUI and part of his punishment was counseling. Since I was also impacted by his alcohol abuse, they asked me to come too. As soon as I mentioned that I grew up as a JW, they had me scheduling my own appointments! Even though I didn’t consider myself to be a JW, I was terrified to go to a psychologist! I remembered hearing how “dangerous” it was and how it would open our minds up to Satan and his influence. I had no idea what, if anything, of what I learned was really true. I was still very young, around 20. Despite my fears, I went out of rebelliousness anyway! I’m so thankful I did! It certainly helped me get my life together at the time. But years later, I found myself needing to go back to counseling again. I was in my early 30’s and still had extremely violent night terrors of Armageddon and other memories of abuse. It felt like a failure on my part to be needing help again! I thought I was fixed! But it’s definitely not a failure, it’s growth and it’s normal to have triggers affect your life at different times. I certainly hope you’re doing well now! Best wishes and Thank you again for sharing your story!
Thank you for sharing, Gary. I'm glad that you woke up and you've got a councilor informed about cults. The WT puts us in a very dark place when we realize the lies. But we eventually climb out of that darkness and realize what freedom is. Wishing you all the best!
@@rachelle2032 You are such a blessing to this community. Your story gives hope to the suffering.. 💖
Jehovahs witnesses sacrifice their own blood Jehovah jahbullon for worshipping him.
2 friends of mine died by suicide when I was growing up. My father, an elder and abuser, made sure they were not allowed to have a service in the Hall. I’m still so angry.
I'm so sorry for your loss, my friend. NO ONE deserves to lose someone close to them like this. 😢😢💔
Hope you're doing okay there, bud. It breaks my heart to see comments like this. 😔💔
So sorry for your loss 😢.
May God help you forgive them, Jesus said forgive. That doesn't mean you should forget, just don't let hatred lead you. God will judge them when time is right (if they don't repent of course)
The suicide thoughts and plans came up before I went to school 🏫, I was victim of CSA from birth until I was 13 years old... they told me that I was a liar because I didn't have 2 witnesses... that takes lives too! Thanks for your videos that I just discovered and subscribed!!
Absolutely. CSA often results in suicide! How much worse to have found the words to ask for help, just to be handed back over to the pedophile by the very ones who most ough to protect you. How are you doing today, Natasha?
@@emmamae1960,thanks, I still have my downs. I'm way better than before. I left not long after my blackmailed baptism, I was 17. For around 6 months I stayed at my house and nobody was talking to me. Even if I didn't have a dime in my pockets: I was better off.
@@natashapeeters988 It, unfortunately, never leaves one completely. But, there is something both healing and life-affirming about taking your voice back, and speaking your truth.
@@emmamae1960,I agree 👍, thanks 😊
Sorry to hear what you went through, Natasha. And it's so true that CSA leads to suicide. I know it contributed to my darker thoughts at times. The WT has SO much to answer for. I read your other comments and am glad you're in a better place.
Went to a memorial of a 23 year old friend who refused blood for a rare leukemia the brother at the memorial bragged about that sweet young man lived up to his dedication and kept talking about him being in the paradise really hard to deal with this stuff the suicide , pure depression made me leave.
And it's no wonder, Peaceful lady. Glad you made it out.
That's cruel.
Did someone watch the interview with an ex-bethelite who was in the blood committee 😳... in the USA only in the 3 years he was there: thousands died for lack of blood 😢 transfusions!!! Thousands.
On Lloyd Evans Channel, recently.
That is insane...yet somewhat unsurprising in that it sounds like something they would do. We'll have to check that interview out. Thanks for the steer, Natasha.
Atround the age of 12 or 13 I had to have major surgery. My parents were pressing the no blood policy. Fortunately the hospital took them to court for temporary custody for the duration of the treatment. Thankfully all went well, but it tarnished the way I looked at my parents and the organization. . SADLY my mother ended up dying where a blood transfusion may have saved her life. I believed by default, because that's all I knew. I know so much better now.
I would really like to know the numbers of suicides that happen yearly in the organization! I personally went to a funeral of a sister who killed herself and this was back in the early 80's. This is a cold heartless controlling cult. Light is opening up on "the truth" thank you so much for your videos!
I've considered ir ALOT
Along with dependency on prescription medication, I recall more then a few elders with a strong smell of alcohol on their breath at quite inappropriate times of day. Well before noon for instance.
Smoking a cigarette or a joint would get you disfellowshipped, but fortifying one's self with a stiff drink before field service was not condemned. Again, the hypocrisy was so blatant.
But in retrospect, I realize self medicating was a coping mechanism needed to endure the soul crushing requirements of the WTO. Glad I escaped without permanent psychological damage. I recall more then a few who weren't so fortunate.
Self-harm is more prevalent then the GB would have you believe. Labeling them spiritually weak tends to be the official response.
A day of reckoning is close at hand for the WTO, and I eagerly look forward to it.
So true, Steve. Your experience echoes our own. May that reckoning come sooner rather than later.
It could have been mouthwash
@@Perririri I can recognize the difference between vodka and mouthwash.
So sorry for all the lives lost. From the time I've been speaking to former jws/whistle-blowers, I am sure that everyone knows at least one child/youth who has died at the hands of that 's o c i e t y'. Hopelessness in my humble opinion is *not, mental illness. You described it very well 'when they see no other option for them'. The Mayor/Chair of District/Leader of the province and state MUST now pay attention to the big 'why' when religion is involved in people's lives. For some people, their favorite media station is their lifeline and with this pandemic, it too may be enough to provoke hopelessness by the lockups/downs and isolation similar to a shunning experience. There were some great points delivered in a very gentle manner by the both of you. Thank you both so much.
What you say about hopelessness is so true! And the similarities to some of the control measures we're seeing around the world. Your thoughts mean a lot! Thank you for your input and for watching :)
@@TheExjwFamily Always sending my best wishes from Ontario, Canada. I'd be thrilled to be able to visit Ireland. Looking forward with more hope than we were afforded under the wt regime.
@@TheExjwFamily I find when I comment on some channels, words get dropped or changed. I wrote hopelessness is NOT a mental illness in my opinion. It is a common way that psy-opportunists like wt aid suicide.
Funny, because that was how I read your sentence. I was telling someone recently that my brain is very good at fixing words as I read...which is a curse since I'm an editor lol
Thank you muchly. If you ever make it to Ireland, let us know. We've visited Ontario quite a few times. A lot of our friends moved over there. So lots of weddings etc over the years. We had friend in Hamilton and surrounding congregations.
Thank you so much for your hard work your doing to help innocent Victims of this man made organisation cult WT cult
Thanks for your ongoing support, Nicos.
A 23 year old friend died of a rare leukemia within one week after being diagnosed at the memorial last week they made a point of saying he refused the blood transfusion and lived up to his dedication to Jehovah , if you choose not to get blood for your own personal reasons your choice but to use the religion or Jehovah as a excuse to brag about it at his memorial , he may have still passed but to brag about that beautiful young man not getting a blood transfusion made me very sad all Jehovah witnesses don’t do everything that the Bible says. Suicide such a sad situation glad you guys are doing ok.
Such a tragedy. Thank you for sharing. It's terrible when lives can be saved if they receive the right information, care, or help. So sad!!!
The blood transfusion issue is one that confused me the most because “Jehovah” doesn’t require a death sentence for those that “ate blood”, so how on earth does Watchtower get away with this?!?!
My experience with this blood issue was with my grandma (at the time -2001 was a baptized, dedicated JW for over 40yrs). She had a tumor in her intestine which was depleting her hemoglobin, therefore her oxygen to a life threatening low level. She needed surgery, but the doctors explained that they couldn’t open her up with these levels so dangerously low. They argued with the HLC committee elders that there was not enough time for the alternative replacement/treatments, that this lack of oxygen was shutting her organs down. The bottom line was if she didn’t begin having a blood transfusion of several units that evening in order to get into surgery within a few hours, she would be dead by tomorrow. She was absolutely terrified! She loved life and didn’t want to die, but she was being told that she didn’t have a choice. The elders kept reminding her of the other friends who had faith in Jehovah and would be resurrected. And then kept saying “You don’t want to be cut off FOREVER, Do You Sister”???
The elders were just upsetting her more, causing her cardiac monitor alarm to go off, and surprisingly my grandma told them to leave!
Once we were sure they left, I asked her if I could show her something from her own NWT Bible before she made this decision to leave us. With tears running down her face, she agreed to listen to what I needed her to think about.
I started reading the standard scriptures they use, Leviticus 17:14:
14. For the life of every sort of flesh is its blood, because the life is in it. Consequently, I said to the Israelites: “You must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh because the life of every sort of flesh is its blood. Anyone eating it will be cut off. “
That’s where she stopped me and said “See, you’ll be cut off, I’ll be cut off and lose my eternal life for taking blood!” I asked if she’s sure that’s what’s meant by “cut off”? She said “Oh yes! Don’t you see what it says? It means I’ll lose my eternal life”!
I grabbed her hand and asked her to please just listen to these next 2 verses because it explains what is meant by “cut off”. I continued to read Leviticus 17: 15-16:
15. “If anyone, whether a native or a foreigner, eats an animal found dead or one torn by a wild animal, he must then wash his garments and bathe in water and be unclean until the evening; then he will be clean.
16. “But if he does not wash them and does not bathe himself, he will answer for his error.”
I explained “See! It commands one who ate blood to TAKE A BATH & WASH THEIR CLOTHES, and then come sundown, they were considered clean before Jehovah again! According to these verses, the part that would have to be answered for is not washing properly after this.
Sooo… Do you hear anything about them being put to death”???
I had to read it to her in its entirety several times over, but eventually she realized that it most certainly was NOT the death penalty! She was still concerned that the “life is in the blood” because life is precious to Jehovah. I asked her what was more important… a symbol for something or the actual thing that it symbolizes? What is more important, stopping at a stop sign or the metal sign/symbol itself? (🤦🏼♀️ I couldn’t think of a better example at the time!) But, it made sense to her that her life was something more precious and had more meaning than the blood that symbolizes life.
Her fears visibly turned to anger and she said “Well, if Jehovah didn’t require death of those who ate blood, who the hell is the Watchtower to do this”?!
Thankfully, she immediately called the nurse into her room and told her to get her that blood! She was absolutely infuriated that they would demand that she die when that wasn’t something Jehovah required. This was the beginning of her slow waking up process. But at least she was alive to make her own decisions!
Thank you for letting me share this with you! I think it’s an extremely important issue to remind ex-JW’s about because they may still have their “No Blood” card hidden in their wallet or purse. Out of sight - Out of mind! Or their religious affiliation with JW’s may still be in their medical records on file at the local hospital which would give staff every reason to believe you would still refuse blood in case of emergency/unconsciousness. It would just be a shame to finally make it out of the cult and still end up being a martyr to a publishing company! 🥰
Thank you! My brean is cooking!!!!!
What an incredible story, Rachelle. Thank you so much for sharing it. I'm glad you could guide your grandmother through that difficult time and help her make an informed decision. And that she slowly woke up!
It's so true about the blood card and medical record issues. We contacted all our doctors and hospitals to make sure any mention of being a JW was removed from our records. We hope that everyone does the same to be on the safe side.
The gb doesn't know the difference between a blood transfusion into the veins, and eating blood through the digestive system. The gb are really dangerous.
My youngest daughter was in the devil's playground for about 7 years and she told me she had that no blood card crap. I told her to look at her little children, and asked her who will raise them if she died? How would it be for them not to have their mom anymore because of a cult rule?
She changed her mind and told whoever she will not abide with that rule. Amen.
The wt takes away natural affection and that's very damaging to everyone.
Great point you raised at Leviticus 17: 15-16. Absolutely wipes out WT's reasoning on their deadly policy. This organization now realizes they screwed up with this policy in the past. It is proved by the fact they now allow all "fractions" (conscience matter of course). 2 examples 1) Hemoglobin since 2000. They allow HBOCs (hemoglobin based oxygen carriers) which is either cow's blood or out of date bags of human blood, modified by removing the hemoglobin & bonding it to an artificial carrier. This has a lot of dangers if used at this stage is not approved for humans in most countries. Yet WT approve it. I know in Australia where the medical authorities allowed it to be used on a young sister. (Google Tamara Coakley ABC news) Most witnesses would be so desperate to live they would rather use a dangerous alternative rather than real blood which has far fewer risks. Prior to 2000 this product would have been forbidden. 2) WT forbids whole plasma. However they allow in print this "fraction" Cryoprecipitate Plasma (concentrated components of plasma obtained by a cooling process). The other left over product is Cryo-Depleted Plasma which is also used in treatments. WT also allow this but don't put this in print. ONLY IF YOU PHONE THE BRANCH OR HLC will they advise you it's conscience matter. They deliberately keep people in the dark on this one because anyone with a brain can reason if your allowed both parts of the plasma separately & the 2 parts equals complete plasma, why aren't you allowed whole plasma in the 1st place?? This highlights that WT are a very deceptive, lying twisted blood guilty organization.
(My comment is going to be a bit 'out there,' but something insde me says there is truth in it.) CT Russell, may have been the founder of the Watchtower magazine, But it was Joseph Rutherford who constructed the religion. It is noteworthy that whereas Russell considered individual Christians to be brethern, Rutherford instituted the notion that only persons faithful to Watchtower (ie Rutherford) had God's favor. This came about after there had been multiple exoduses from under Rutherford's leadership, which greatly angered him.
My husband was diagnosed with cancer his surgeon brought up blood factors he wanted to research it that's what started him to wake up.
A dear friend lost her life giving birth to her 5th baby because she refused blood her oldest was only 7. Her story was used as a fine example it broke my heart. Her husband who said that he lost his sole mate remarried 5mths later.
She must have not cared if she lived and knew he had his eye on someone else. 5months ?! That is too suspicious 🤔 to me.
@@ms.anonymousinformer242 exactly what I thought if he was ready to move on the kids deserved better. The sad thing is she was done after her 3rd she loved her kids but he was an elder so received little help. He got what he deserved as none of the kids are in his life
How terrible! And all because a handful of men decided she should die...with no good reason. It disgusts me that they use such ones as a fine example. "Look, we killed this person. How amazing are they!"
@@TheExjwFamily they now say it was always a personal choice I've known some who were disfellowship because they accepts blood. But what really gets me is they say they never held ones up as examples for refusing blood 🤯😡I honestly feel that they are waiting for ones my generation to die off so there is no one to call out there lies.
Woe unto them who bear children in the Last Days!
Cheers for bringing such a terrible reality that is the 'Killer-Watchtower'!!!
Love your channel & so want to ask you to hunt down my freaking daughter who is ghosting me & is in Shepperton UK, oii... Not jw even though I am an exjw but this ghosting/shunning is torture considering I'm in Australia!!!
Good health to you all.
On the 8th of November 2021 Nicole my beautiful wife had surgery and told me if I ever give her a blood transfusion she'll divorce me. The doctors approached me and said Nicole has a.medical directive that forbids her husband Justin Porter having any say in her care. The question states, is there anyone who you don,t want involved in your care ? YES Justin Porter .I rang up Nicole,s non jw father and explained ,I can,t over ride her medical directive he understood and thanked me. I have to tred lightly I don,t want Nicole to divorce me but I can,t let her die. She survived without blood but next time she may not be so lucky. Hopefully Nicole wakes up before it's to late. I get on with Nicoles father so well now and have apologised for been so distant with him. I,'ve told him I may not ever be able to wake up his daughter before she really does need a blood transfusion. I hate those 8 sumo wrestlers in New York who live a life of luxury and get treated like kings while jws die from no blood and suiside from shunning. Thats why I make videos. I love your channel Pat and Katie and your videos take away my loneliness. Justin porter ex jw
Much love to you, Justin. So sorry to hear what a nightmare they're putting you through, Justin. We hope Nicole wakes up soon! Watched several of your videos and really enjoyed them. Please keep making them. You never know who else they might help.
Nicole has softened her attitude towards me since Sept 2018. Jws are supposed to hate all apostates but she loves me. I,m glad you like my videos it,s funny how Nicole refuses to watch them she's never asked me why I left. A few jws have asked me in the street why I left ? I just direct them to my videos. Thanks Pat and Katie for replying to my comment.
Will be looking for you RUclips channel! To subscribe!!! And like of course!!!🤗
You guys are awesome 👏🏻 👏🏻
Thank you for your activism and helping with such honesty and sincere care.
Thank you so much!
I am so glad that the two of you got out. I was never a JW. But my father's side of the family is. "Dark" is an understatement. My cousins are so messed up. Abuse that was physical, sexual and mental took their toll. My parents kept my sister and I away from all of it. But, watching videos like this has given me a deeper understanding of what they endured. Thank you.
Jokah's Witnesses glassy-eyed robots😵💫
I’m a PIMO AND it’s getting hard for me to get through this but by watching you guys and other exjw content it’d helping me alot
I’m 23 going on 24 next month. I have dreams of becoming an Astrophysicist/rocket engineer. Never been to college before but I’ll try my best to get in. Thank you guys
Buddy, I know how it feels. It does get better. Hang in there. Also, grab those dreams no matter what you do! Totally jealous you woke up so young and that you'll be an Astrophysicist/rocket engineer. I've always wanted to be a quantum physicist. Perhaps one day :)
@@TheExjwFamily that’s awesome, that you wanted to be a physicist.thank you for the encouragement.
Want to here another crazy thing I’m still with my family, The Whole thing is complicated to leave!
Yes!!!! Go for it!!!! ♥️♥️♥️
@@stephaniegoggin7952 thank you
I’m a PIMO here too! If you have dreams go for it!!! Wish you the best! Enjoy life decently- the life God gave us is to enjoy it, learn, grow, become a better person every day!
You're a courageous/admirable couple. And who were the doctors, but of course worldly people. JW pick and choose at their convenience.
They do indeed. Funny that. Appreciate your kind words :)
Glad you're awake! Thanks for sharing
Outstanding. Thank You for posting this, it is Vital. Yes, How Dare They.
Thank you for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Thanks so much for this discussing this difficult subject.
Your channel is a great channel. Your videos are extremely relevant. You expose and analyze this cult without the slightest bitterness or resentment. Thank you, your channel will help a lot of PIMI, PIMO, POMI but also with the POMO to make peace with their past.
Layman, this comment means so much to us. This is what we want this channel to be. A resource to help folks in various stages of recovery. And to achieve that, we feel it's important to approach subjects with a level head. Thank you!
The problem of You couple is this,
for all of You, don't understand the bible.
@@ndiditheodore8272 Who were waiting for the eminence of the end are all dead: Russel (deceased), Rutherford (deceased), Knorr (deceased), and yet the end was always at hand as they liked to say to every time. You will never see the great persecution because it will never come so you will die like all the others without having seen anything like all the others. So yes, a little more time, and soon the new double and superimposed generation (absurd) which must not pass (like all the others) will pass (like all the others). In short, the eternal restart. Followers are formatted to blindly follow men who continually go around in circles waiting for a great tribulation that will not come. There is no longer a pilot on the plane and the plane loses altitude every year. So let history take care of putting this American publishing company into oblivion. If one day (in the 2040s) my grandchildren ask me “grandpa, what was this Watchtower ? I would answer them... The very epitome of human vanity.
Such kind people!
until they get home
Is that what you are doing?
Thank you for all your videos, It was brave to bring all these experiences out. So glad some of us are lucky to leave the cult.
Great title and about time somebody called it for what it is. Your life is seriously at risk as a JW.
No point in beating about the bush :)
You are very brave for talking about these issues. I hope you keep doing it because it’s really necessary. People need to know that this religion is not about love and world peace, but rather quite the oposite.
Thank you Gabriel. We'll keep doing our best.
Iam sooo VERY proud of both of you you took your POWER BACK and choose to not be ruled by FEAR any more . the most SINISTER part and like you said HOW DAIR THAY PUT PEOPLE IN THOSE KIND OF PLACES . YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR WORTH IS YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE. YOU .OVE YOUSELVES WITH UNCONDITIONAL LOVE The only people that can control YOU IS IF YOU DONT RECOGNIZE YOUR RIGHTS TO FREE CHOICE AND SPEECH AND IF YOU HAVE low self esteem I don't mean to sound mean but I suffered with this for 56 years thay control me until I woke up. The freedom of choice and voice is God gaven I took my freedom back and it's been wonderful I have found some very sweet friends in the world AND Thats been a blessing thank you for sharing my true brother and sister ❤ 🙏 PS. About Armageddon, Why would God murder all those people who use HIS GIFT of freedom of choice MAKING A LIAR OF HIMSELF GOING AGAINST HIM SELF 🤔 JUST REASON DEAR ONES
Hey., my fellow Irishman !!! well you’re the true Gaelic man,I’m actually a yankee, however my grandparents are from cork. Listen, keep on keeping up ! You folks are doing terrific.😉
Thanks, Kevin. We'll do our best.
P.S. Irish is a state of mind, so you're as Irish as anyone who lives on this Island :) Take care.
Thank y'all! You're lovely people and the work you're doing is very valuable!
Thanks for the support, Toni!
I want to tell you people my experience in the whole issue on blood transfusions. I've had a heart attack and my lungs were filled with water (I think) and I had to go into another hospital ER in Portland, ME. Where I had to get an open heart bypass surgery. And it requires a blood transfusion to proceed with the operation. And I didn't hesitate to let them. I wouldn't be here in Maine if it weren't for it
Thanks for sharing. Glad you got the healthcare you needed and took that transfusion! It's is crazy how you wouldn't be here if you had followed their lies. Thank goodness you went with your gut!
Thanks for sharing. I can't articulate how mad I am about this deceitful organization.
I've been in service and had people say there are so many vultures because God is getting them ready for after Armageddon.
Shunning is used on war criminals. Prisoners are put in solidarity confinement, thus shunned. The assassination of character when shunned. I haven't even experienced shunning yet, but this is how I think of it.
I had a difficult talk with my wife about her blood card as she doesn't trust me being on it anymore. I told her I would let her die if she put it in writing. It just seems impossible to wake her up.
Thanks for sharing bud. I know it can feel hopeless. But as per my other comment, it can happen. It just takes time and patience and tact. Kind of like using their own tactics against them. I hope you wake your wife up one day. Hang in there bud.
The open and honest way you guys present facts along with personal experience is really refreshing. Your 'Crow' anecdote brought back some deep seated feeling of my father who became a JW later in life. The palpable glee at which he observed disaters affecting human life and suffering on the TV news, and the way he shot a jolly knowing glance at my step mother to convey the oncoming end of times prediction/narative literally discusted me. A once affable, convivial and objective man, the cult turned him into a passive agressive, bitter, self-aggrandising, pious, homophobic and quite unlikeable bigot. How this cult is even considered a loving organisation on any level is beyond me.
Thankyou for speaking out. ❤️
Such great advice.
Much love to you both 🌸🌸🌸
I will second that! Pat and Kay, you were so compassionate, and gave REAL advise on how to help someone who may be on the verge.
Thank you, Valerie. And same to you!
Thank you Emma. We are far from experts, but we're trying and hope the information finds people who need it most :)
Brave brave people.
My deepest respect to both of you ❤!
Both Of You Are Awesome.
I'm Thrilled That The Both Are
Not In This Cult.Praise The
Lord And Savior Jesus Christ.
Richard.
I heard from an elder and his wife whose son was disfellowshipped if I remember correctly who called his parents (elders) and shot and killed him self while on the phone with them.
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How devastating :(
Oh, THIS is heartbreaking and infuriating! 😢😭😭💔
Oh no!
What a nightmare...
As I recall when the incidents of suicide occurred, when I was an active publisher the organization would use these incidents to drive home the point that if we didn't remain faithful, the same would befall us! And yet they disfellowship. Wow!!
This cult had from its origin an expiry date ("the generation of 1914"). Today this product is well past its consumption date, so it is not surprising that this product can smell worse and worse. The decomposition of this organism will continue naturally until it makes this cult unbreathable.
Today, I think this cult is destined to self-destruct. It seems inevitable to me. This cult is totally irreformable by nature. There is no plan B. Year after year, this cult is destabilized by reinterpreting its own interpretations. The Watchtower is today out of breath interpretive. The abyss is approaching and the work team surrounding the management no longer understands what is going on. Even the passing of time seems to be amused to see so many "happy imbeciles" waiting for great persecution that will never come. This business is on the verge of a nervous breakdown. The cognitive dissonance is getting stronger and stronger. The pressure increases and the breaking point approaches. It is not surprising that in the face of this situation many JWs are more and more depressed.
Their plan b was the invention of the overlapping generation teaching! Like that generation after generation is overlapping and that the interpretation!🤦🏽♀️ doesn’t make sense and IWs can’t even explain it because omit doesn’t make sense!!
I've been a JW over 30 years ago in Waterville, Maine.
I'm not anymore because of their rules forbidding me from getting the blood transfusions ANYWHERE
Too right, brother!
Oh my goodness, I'm so glad I found your channel. Thanks so much for speaking out, this is so unbelievably real. I myself am not a JW but my brother is, and he is acting erratically and making life changing decisions and I don't know how to help. My brother resigned last week, effective immediately and he left his salary, and left his apartment and moved back home, he left his car and literally gave away every single thing. He's also given up furthering his studies, he was doing a PhD and says he never wants to study again and quit his studies. Why? Because he wants to live on the streets and preach the coming of the kingdom of heaven. We are completely at a loss, we got him admitted into a psychiatric ward today. I just want to find out from you, is this what JW's preach? It's outrageous! Do you have any advice as to how we can help him gain his life back? He keeps saying he needs to be in good standing. What can we do?
I love the both of you. Great Great advice and suggestions. The GB will most definitely pay for what they have done. No question. This organization is responsible for every suicide due to this CULT'S rules and policies. The GB are accessory to murder, when it comes to the suicides and their blood doctrines. The GB knows very well what they are doing and its ALL intentional. The GB knows the depths of the JW members depression and extreme anxiety. The GB DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO GET THESE INDIVIDUALS PROFESSIONAL HELP, FULLY KNOWING THAT THEY ARE MOSTLY POOR AND HAVE VERY LITTLE MEANS, OR HEALTH INSURANCE. The more JWS tell their story the more this DOOMSDAY CULT gets EXPOSED and will soon pay for what they have done to JWS lives. The GB'S deception is very SATANIC and WICKED. Its goes AGAINST everything that the True God stands for and it's not the God of Watchtower. The GB'S God is Satan himself being disguised through this CULT as the true God. The ORGIN OF THIS CULTY RELIGION PROVES THAT.
I feel and think the same
It's as if the penny has dropped for me when I came to this realisation
Congrats on the growth of your channel! (You've got commercials!)
The growth took us by surprise. Still wrestling with the commercials thing. Thank you!
@@TheExjwFamily Some will accuse you of using your channel to spread hate for profit. Ignor this. You are devoting a lot of time out of love and concern. We all know that - even the haters! The coinage is a small reward for having an interesting channel! And for your listeners, it is an easy way to lend support to your efforts, by giving a bit of time to your sponsors.
I'm from USA and my dad was an elder but just passed away from heart problems and covid
So sorry to hear, Sue. I've replied to your other message further up.
Sorry for your loss
So sorry to hear that! Time is a healer! Be strong every day! Be safe and a warm hug to you!
My condolences!
Jw should speak the TRUTH about this organisation how difficult and risky to be a member of this organisation WT
I have family here in Barbados who are in this faith and defend them even though persons like yourself are so bold as to say what happened to them, May The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob continue to reveal himself to you
The questions by elders is jaw dropping.. They even want to know the full details of the deed!!!! But what measures do they take kick abusers out.. 😔😔😔
It’s astounding isn’t it?!
@@TheExjwFamily extremely 🤕
I love you both !!!
I hope u went and hugged ur children after this video. Idk about yall but I feel better when I get a hug from my parents, my spouse or my children
Hi new subscriber here. This might be a dark subject but very necessary. My whole life dominated by religious dogma from Roman Catholic, JW, Baptist. Never good enough for an insatiable god. I tried to end my life at 12 years old because I felt that I would never measure up. 60 years young now and I’m done. Pick a god any god , everyone’s a winner. I am free of it all. I love each day, the early morning frosts , the rain on my face , the smiles of my grandchildren and the kindness shared by worldly people. Take care everyone. The Universe invited us here, live each day as best you can because you do matter. Thank you for your posts. Maureen.
Hi The Exjw Family! I posted a comment with contact information for a prevention line in Australia but the RUclips filter seems to have eaten it. Please consider checking for it on your video management pages and allowing it?
Thank you for covering an important but difficult subject.
Thank you Bob. I'll dig in the comments and see if we can find it. We might have to include a few numbers in the description including the one you posted. Appreciate the heads up!
Almost speechless here. But beautiful and stupendous analysis, support and advice!!
Wow, thank you! :)
@@TheExjwFamily It’s just the real truth lol! You all are awesome!
I agree.They believe receiving the blood is a sin. Why didn't they ask Jesus for forgiveness for receiving the blood transfusion? Jesus sacrificed for us. We don't have to sacrifice for organization.
There were five suicides related to just my congregation that I know of over a ten year period :(
That is so sad! :(
New subscriber ty !
So happy that you and your family got out and able to see clearly ❤. I have some family that are still in the organization. I hope they see the truth soon and enjoy life with family soon.
I'm a 4th generation jw and I need your help
I was but I woke up, I still peek in on the g b and really, how blind I was, I’ve studied and now I’m no longer afraid, I found the truth
I call the wt, the devil's playground. They don't teach grace, salvation through Christ Jesus, that there is heaven and hell, etc. This is why they have all of the dangerous rules. Satan whispers in the gb's ears.😈
Love always my friends.
It's a blessing you're out.
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That's a good way of putting it Terri. They are exactly what they claim other religions to be. Funny that :D
@@TheExjwFamily
🍃❤🍃 My heart goes out to you, and you're in my prayers. You 2 are strong and smart, and excellent activists! You are helping people to wake from the darkness. Amen.🙏 Keep on my friends. Keep on.❤
I wish I could visit Ireland. I've always wanted to go there. You should post some pics! 😁👌
So true ....
The Jesus I know would never push me to do such evil practices ....and if my pastor ever demanded such " beliefs" , I'd recognize the wolf in sheep's clothes and run for the hills.
@@lindacooper3757 Amen my sister in Christ! Our church would recognize the same wolves. It's a hard thing for me to try to wrap my head around how millions of people in the wt actually do not read or understand the Bible. Especially the gb members.🤔 I pray that the Father leads them to His Son for salvation as He did for Ray Franz. Amen!🙏🙏
God bless, and have a beautiful day!
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I came out of the evangelical charismatic church. A lot of what you say resonates.
I was asked to help a brother re-do the territory cards for the congregation and I went to his house one Saturday so he could show me the software. We didn't accomplish much in that meeting but I got to know a little about him. He and his wife had recently returned to the congregation after living on the west coast for a number of years. The same week, I went out in field service and found out he was found dead of suicide. I just remember being so shocked. I didn't detect that from him at all. But turns out his brother and father both had done the same. So the brothers were aware of the history and that he had attempted it before. Not saying it would have been a different outcome, but I wondered quite a bit about how much he was encouraged to seek actual help, rather than the "pray to Jehovah" remedy. I felt so bad for his wife.
A questioning JW told me that the suicide rate with JWs is disproportionately high, and said JW beliefs help them choose that course of action - e.g. nothing to fear by ceasing to exist in any form when you die. But there is always a better option than suicide; it's just that JWs aren't allowed to think that there is. There is!
So true. In essence they are shown that it's the most attractive option. Which is a tragedy in itself.
Thank you for sharing your experiences , I can relate to Kalie , as I too was wonce a pioneer in Cork over 20 years ago . I was (Trafficed) in there by my oldest sister who abused me as a child when she took me back home from Hospital
back to the Convent where I was still in care ,she and my other two sisters sail they followed me in . It was there I got married to John , three years later after six mounth celibate courtship which as you know was a recowerment
my three sisters , set -up my Husband John , by targeting our two children 2 and 10 mounths old . My oldest sister took myself and the children in her car down to Tarelton to my father's who in the past had raped all five of his daughters .I remember half of the journey and have no memory of what happened or how I got home .When John got home that evening , I told him that I and the children had been taken down to my father's, John was skeard for the children's safety and asked was I keeping an eye on them but I couldn't tell him , I was completely off my game and was frothing at the mouth yelling things which where completely out of character and John gave me a Trump on the shoulder out of desperation and fear for the children and what might have taken place that I could 'nt tell him .
In my past childhood she would pick me up from the children's Home on occasions and drop me back and I also have no memories of what happened but in recent years I had a breakdown and flash backs
The elders dislfellowshiped John on
so called wife betting , after him giving 8 years of clean standing it turns out my sisters when committing immorality with the elders themselves as Cork congregation was notorious for wife swapping and they used it as a way to get rid of any who did not whan to get involved .They didn't show this side of them until we got married . John left for England and myself and the children followed I was acouple of mounths pregnant and went on to have five children altogether, and that's not all they did ...... I wish I could talk on video like you do I have learning difficulties and am not go at computers my Husband John , also has brain damage and to this day is extremely Tramatized by what the jw's have done to us as a family
so sorry for such a long reply but it won't take you half as long to read as it was for me to Wright it
Ps; after all these years we still don't feel we can trust or mix with people everything is kept very supperficial
Oh Catherine, it breaks my heart to hear of your experiences and the trauma you and your family have suffered. Please know that you will always find support here and someone to listen to you. Sending love!
Praise God I'm Free from the watchtower society
Jesus set me Free 👰🕛👑✝️🕊️👆🌟💟
Yes. Killed my spiritual side. I will never get all the worms out of my brain.
My greatest love and respect for you. I sincerely hope organizations like JW will just be outlawed one day. The damage they are doing is just to great.
Thank you, Dietrich. Thought it's a difficult fight, we hope for the same. One less delight on the world would be welcome.
I hate the way they twist it so the victim is a apostate.
They are VERY good at twisting.
alot of alcoholism in this cult too!
So true! We saw plenty of that.
Yes there isn’t anyone I know except hubby and I who didn’t drink regularly. Every get together whether group or just us and another couple there was always alcohol being consumed. My friends I’m sure are alcoholics. One drank every time I went to her place for play dates and would even make cocktails. I’m not surprised that they rely on alcohol to numb out the painful life that women particularly especially if you have children because it’s extremely sexist and women have to do everything and slave for their families. The. Men get to just work and also drink and go fishing which seems to be the men’s obsession. Women are burnt out trying to keep themselves on the hamster wheel. They are in abusive toxic relationships with the organisation and with their husbands too.
And they get away with it
no one has any right to exclude another human being from thier family or loved ones.no one has a right to tell another what their sexuality should or should not be.
Completely agree!
You're SO right! No one has the right to control your life in general! Only YOU have that control!
What is it with old school JWs and their birds?! My mom would say, anytime she saw a flock of any kind of birds, "Come gather for the feast of the great day of Jehovah!" with the glee of a child. 🙄 You know you're in a doomsday cult when.... quoting Revelation and envisioning birds eating the flesh of dead bodies makes you smile.
So true Deena! We've heard others say the same thing in a similar manner. It is beyond strange...even twisted!
That's sickening!
What the heck??
I live near a bank in Brooklyn
Where I often see witnesses preaching
There are pigeons who perch on top of the bank
One day, a witness was telling a passerby that the pigeons will eat the dead bodies at Armeageddon
And she said that with a big smile on her face!
😱😱😱😱😱
There is no shame in asking for help.If young person cannot speak to their parents about how they feel inside, then who do they speak too.?
This is the problem! There is nowhere for them to go. No one for them to speak to. It's an evil measure the WT uses to control. So sad. I wish we had a good answer, but we don't.
They take nothing away..theirs nothing to take..
I was raised a witness and stopped going when I was a teenager I didn't realize how indoctrinated I was until I was much older. I didn't want blood if anything were to happen to me and it wasn't until I watched a RUclips video that talked about blood that I changed my mind. He posed the question "does the life sanctify the blood or does the blood sanctify the life? During an infusion your body utilizes the blood not consumes it." I hated birthdays holidays symbolically passed on the passover meal reading the Bible for years made me change my mind on alot of things and I no longer battle depression I have my days where I'm down but I'm genuinely happy with life with my lord something that most witnesses cannot boast since Jesus died for the annointed and not the common man even though the Bible says the opposite of that.
I like you guys. We definitely could have been partners in crime.
I have a question on this blood transfusions prohibited thing.
Does the Kingdom Hall of Heresy have a proof text to back up this teaching?
Probably not...but then they don't have proof of anything. Just a whole lot of circular reasoning.
@@TheExjwFamily
So, they just pulled that regulation out of thin air?
How Catholic of them!
HA HA!
I'm proud to be DF. When I as a Craftsman worked for Witnesses....some were cool....some I didn't get paid. I'm proud to stand up for CSA and protect my Adult Kids and now Grandchildren. The WT idiots only care about money to Armageddon and really don't understand when our Lord and Savior meant when putting Children on His knee and expressed care for our "Tender Age" Young Ones. The average window washer / janitor Elder doesn't understand the " Good Samaritan" principle. Give this idiots a break. They're loosing cash like the Titanic lost passengers. It's about cash. From Rutherford's 2 Cadillacs in the Great Depression to the contributions to the WWW. It's about counting beans in Walkill.
I watched my mother die after she refused a blood transfusion.
Such a terrible loss, my heart is crying with you😢❤
Psychopaths taught by the 8 Ding Dongs
Haha indeed! :D
I'm sorry but here in the United States if you call a suicide hotline or a crisis line that the first thing that happens is eight police officers will show up at your door and they will Baker Act you! They will send you to an institution that does not care about you they will not give you medications even if you already are on medications. I just went through this I was having very dark thoughts and thought Oh I'll call one of those hotlines which I did the biggest mistake I ever made in my life! Like I said about 30 minutes after I got off the phone 8 police officers knocked on my door I felt like I was looking at a SWAT team. I was already in a mental state that was not conducive to being attacked or feeling attacked like that, and then they would not let me go into my house and get anyting they were going to arrest me if I did not come with them peacefully and they put me in a car and took me to a psychiatric unit which when I got there there were people laying on the floor and there were people in agony crying hysterical talking to themselves you name it it was happening. I take heavy doses of medication that is necessary for my survival they never did an intake to even ask me what kind of medications I was taking they left me on the floor for 12 hours and then I started vomiting uncontrollably I was the only one that was doing that. They did nothing to help me the people that helped me where the patients they were wiping my face and trying to help me get off the floor. And then the psychiatric facility didn't want me so they sent me to a hospital I sat in a hallway and a hospital for another 12 hours with no saline no medication no food nothing I had an accident no one would help me clean up I tried to go to the bathroom to take care of myself and try to get a drop of water on my tongue from the sink. That's when they decided they were going to pay attention that I was even there. I was grabbed in a way that was extremely painful bruised a rib and broke a rib I have a disease that I do not heal from those types of injuries I have a very severe case of muscular dystrophy. And I went in on December 30th at 7 a.m. finally saw a doctor on January 3rd at about 1 p.m. I couldn't even hold my head up to talk to him. I had had no food or water the entire time that I have been there nor any type of saline IV. I never saw a psychiatrist or talk to any medical personnel or was able to explain why I even called the hotline. I was not suicidal I was just having the blues I was having a lot going on in my life and was needing someone to talk to just to try to get a few things off my chest to help me to cope. However during that stay at that hospital that's all I could think about was I wanted to kill myself I finally realized that nobody in this world cares about me but myself no family no person no medical personnel no one loves or cares about me. I only have myself. So anyway I left the hospital my daughter picked me up she did even ask them do I need to bring her clothes they said no when she came to get me, and then when she got there they were like oh do you have clothes for her. they didn't even have my correct name after two hours she was finally able to track me down and she took me home it is taking me a week now to get any sort of semblance of normality as far as being back on my own medications I haven't even spoken to my doctor yet supposed to talk to her today but I just want to advise anybody who wants to call a hotline or crisis line please for heaven sakes do-not-call one of them call a friend a family member your neighbor anybody but a hotline. If there's anybody else out there that's had the same experience I would love to know. Peace out
Sounds like what happened to me but my parents were the people that kept calling the police and institutionalized me any time I reported abuse and kept everything in their name and took the car keys away and used family court to discredit me and kept me under a conservatorship.
We do not know what exists in the corner of the universe. We dont know what lives in the botom of the sea. We dont know what awaits us when we close our eyes to death, no one has come back to confirm it. But we can be sure of is our friends and family that loves us dearly. Kind regards Wickus. Freshexjw💙
Well said, Wickus! :)
When I got married I was studying,
The male study giver said vibrates,sex toys we’re made by Satan
I stopped the study
Good call!!! What a weird thing to say :O
I saw so much suicide in the Watchtower my first week at Brooklyn Bethel my room made jumped out a factory window many others many including a family member
Hi guys. I m not a JW, but I ve known many. I m in Ireland and know an Elder from a Dublin congregation got DFed for going to the Gardai over a child abuse case. Whole family then left. I ve other similarly disturbing stories. Small enough community in Ireland, you guys heard of this?
Yeah, we've heard about it and know a few folks who have been involved with such things. It's a crying shame folks are put through such a thing. Good on that ex Elder for doing what was right and thank goodness the family left!
@@TheExjwFamily -- what reason did they give the elder for disfellowshipping him? -- especially if he did not commit some sin that he was found to be unrepentant for -- how did they justify the disfellowshipping?
I was never directly told to "pray the gay away" but that was clearly what they expected my to do. I'm in an area were the witnesses aren't super conservative, so I think the elders were a bit to embarrassed to tell me that, but they were clearly trying to lead me to that conclusion.
never mind my insistence that "being trans is not the same" they just expected me to deal and stop talking about it.
Yup. Be a good JW, and paint on that smile!
They aren't exactly known for nuance so it doesn't surprise me that they have trouble telling the difference between gay and trans. What a moronic setup.
Your spot on .the jehovah witnesses do kill people but in a sutle way. At the end of the day they are extremists .I have been out a long time and have no intention of ever going back .I am so glad you have both woke up and your three beautiful children are gonna have a normal life ❤
Awesome 👌
When eight men in New York control millions of followers, there will be pain and despair. Run from this cult dear ones. Run fast. Your eternal salvation (and mine) is incredibly simple: Put your hope, faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as you Savior... you sole mediator... to God.
That's A Bit Of A Harsh Statement..!!But To Be Fair..Your Really Right.. I Had A Intresting Situation Arise with my youngest. But I Had a Fantastic surgeon and Anesthesiologist.. So No Blood was Required, At The End..He Came Up To Me And Said , "I Wouldn't Use Blood In My Family Either,, I Looked At Him With Shock... Why He Said
he Three Options That Can be Used, Ringers Solution, Hemoglobin, or Drextion fluid Where Cleaner and far Safer Options... Now with Corona. I Definitely Wont Be Using It..
Hearing you Jeremy. I (Paddy) would still rather only use blood as a last resort option. But yeah, some of our statements are on the nose. But we figure it's a good way to get the message across.
That’s your Anesthesiologist’s choice. I support his right to make it.
The problem is the ‘Governing Body’ of Jehovah’s Witnesses taking away the right of others to make their own choice, lest they lose their family and friends to shunning.
Do please get hold of a copy of DOOMSDAY DECEPTION - The Rise and Fall of the Watchtower Society. It was published on July 29, 2021 when it was brought to the attention of the GB. Within weeks Pastor Russell's graveside pyramid monument was swiftly removed, having lain forgotten and neglected for 105 years. The book reveals what was hidden inside the hollow pyramid. This knee-jerk reaction illustrates how the organisation is increasingly paranoid - It is all but finished - it's just a matter of time and this book tells all and is the first forensically accurate history of the Watchtower Society which tells the story from beginning to the END of the organisation. Take back control of your life and the sacred independence of your personality. - I am an ex JW and my investigative journalism has been regularly published in the British press since the early 1970's. Good luck
Our daughter is on multiple medications and is getting more and more withdrawn. I hope she comes upon your videos.
Oh and our grandson just married his JW girlfriend, and they have been told not to have children, because the end of the world is imminent l.
two young men in the cong i was in ......comitted suicide
That is tragic. Yet, it is something we hear about more and more. It has to stop!
Crows do not feed on corpses, though they eat some meat ( the largest would be a small mouse)
We did not know that. It just makes what folks said even more ridiculous!
So many in that faith take antidepressants….any faith that causes that is not of God.