I’m looking for a streamer at the moment and I’m really interested in doing a DIY build. You have any plans of releasing a DIY version of your PecanPi+ Premium? I really would prefer to have a screen on my player.
@@danhorton6182 There will not be DIY versions of any of the premium products. I can provide you with the screen information however if you contact me.
That looks like a lot of fun. Nice overview! Thanks for those of us who can't get there. Do you happen to remember what the speakers were that were next to the Opal1 speakers that were also on stands? or are they Top Secret?
I don’t remember what they were. They are using the new signature series woofers though. And if I remember correctly, those ones were self powered. I’ll have to see if I can find out and get back to you. Next year you should come. We can walk the show together.
@@Toid I suspected the signature series, but the truncated frames fooled me. I would love to see Axpona, I'm a skyscraper fan, I could see the Sears/Willis tower as well. Hey, 9k away from 100 thousand subscribers! Go! go! go!
Those Dayton Audio Opal 1 speakers look amazing. I went immediately to their website and there's no user reviews yet. I did notice that the sensitivity is low, but I'm guessing by their power rating it's advised to have 200-watts per channel which I know these days comes fairly modest in price in quite a few amps. I look forward to your review. Being familiar with Dayton's resources and penchant for very reasonably priced high-quality drivers I am excited over this speaker.
Big power numbers are pretty easy to achieve on the spec sheet but real world is a different story. The Epipue driver in that is not your typical woofer, small surface area, stiff but heavy cone material, massive surround, and advanced motor structure mean you are probably going to want to spend about as much on the amplification as the speakers to get them to come alive.
Just an Idea for coaxial speaker - an active desktop speaker. I think it would be interesting in multiple ways: 1) you could cover the topic of bookshelf vs desktop (if there any difference at all, as this is something that bothers me in particular, but the data is quite limited) 2) Take a look at a plate amps that are available for DIY 3) Maybe it makes sense not to go with a plate, but have something like a passive pair with a wiim amp. Thank you for your work and inspiration!
I would love to see you making a backloaded horn or TML or Tapped Horn with that SB Acoustics Coax, that would be great! edit: If you dont want to do it, get Justin to do it 😂
I saw those coaxial sb acoustics on madisound. If you do a design please do it with the cheaper ones. A 3 way would be awesome or even an mtm 4 way with woofer on the back for some large bookshelves
Yeah. There’s a reason I used two of those Epique woofers in my Epic HiFi build. The good news, is those speakers can handle a lot of power. The bad news, you might want a lot of power. When I review them I’ll test them with multiple amplifiers to find out.
You should go next year. It’s really a neat experience. And it might be one of the only chances you ever get to experience some of these systems. It’s pretty amazing.
Great vid Nick, looks like we hit most of the same rooms, just not at the same time, I’ll definitely make sure I follow you closer next year, watch out!!!
I for one would love to see a build using the SB Satori MT19CP-8. Some are saying the performance is similar to the MoFi source point 8 driver which would be pretty cool for the DIY community if true.
@@Toid A single driver full range setup similar to the Source Point 8. I did some modelling in Win ISD and it looks it will do the trick in a 1 - 1 1/4 cu ft enclosure. I am seriously considering ordering a pair.
Hell ya I definitely agree with that, I’d love to see you work with Neil, I spent a ton of time in his room and I’m sold on his towers with the lineaum tweeter.
Snake oil for the most part in my opinion. I have a good friend that works in a new and used HIGH END audio. This part of the audio world makes me nauseous. The amp and DAC world makes me sick. In my opinion the only way to make a speaker with mind blowing imaging is planar or electrostatic. You can't beat it...
No new kits from Dayton Audio / Parts Express is pretty disappointing, a finished speaker is a ok idea but I think it should be offered as a kit first and foremost. They have been rolling out some pretty impressive drivers over the last few years but their kits are looking pretty stale. Looking forward to the SB Acoustics coaxial though, maybe something to take on the KEF R3 / R5? Also, pretty sure its Mad-"A"-sound, not "Madi". As in Madison WI where they are located.
@Toids - You asked - Yes, please - A Børresen M-6 clone using Dayton Signature Series. Or just a three-way with Signature Series and Dayton's new AMT. Just seems like Dayton stepped up their driver game, but - what do you do with it when their kits offering is lacking. Thanks
SB Acoustics concentric does not look like group time-aligned. You may make it time-aligned by adding some latency to midrange (like JBL in their passive line sources) - but that's not trivial.
According to who I spoke to it is. It was also stated as being time aligned in an audioXpress right up. I haven’t personally tested that. But if I get some for the channel, that would be something I would look at. audioxpress.com/news/sb-acoustics-new-7-5-mt19cp-8-satori-coaxial-driver-expands-high-quality-options-for-speaker-designers
Oh man, I don’t know how many high-end systems are running their amplifiers. But there was a lot. I don’t think they had their own room though. Or if they did, I didn’t see it.
The opals look very interesting and promising. Now here is a question, which tweeter do you think would be best for home theater, the Dayton Audio DC28F-8 or the Dayton Audio RST28F-4, here we're talking about for both L R and center channels. I was originally thinking about using ribbons, but then backed down because of cost and also durability, plus maybe output ?
@@Toid someone told me about making sure that I used Drivers which were compatible with one another. How can I even tell (aside from the Frequency response giving good room at x-over points?). I'm planning on doing 3way speakers with the RST28F-4 (after your advice) as the tweeter, Dayton Audio RS100-8 as the mid, and the Dayton Audio SIG180-4 as the woofer. Do you think these are good picks for a good 3way speaker for both L R and Center channels ?
@@hermangaviria690 this would be a better question to ask on the forum www.toidsdiyaudio.com/forums I would need a little bit more detail such as crossover points, etc. But what I would say is if you have not designed your own speaker before then I would absolutely not do a three-way. It is infinitely harder for beginner to design a proper three-way crossover. It would make more sense to start with a two-way. Either way though, you’re gonna want to make sure you have the decent measurement equipment. Proper measurements are gonna make all the difference in the world with the crossover design.
@@Toid Yea lol, I actually just built a 3 way, sounds amazing, I keep on forgetting about the forum. But don't worry I've worked my way up from a 2way, and this 3way came out amazing!! Given it was my first 3 way but the results were absolutely fantastic. I'm just making sure I choose the right drivers for my "final" build for the home theater (living room). The 3ways I just built use a DC28F, PC108, and SIG 150, ported tuned at around 50hz with a modeled f3 of 44hz. Internal volume of 18liters. I only finished them like a week ago so I haven't taken the time to make some measurements because they just sound so good. Also I have all the equipment, trust I've been working hard at learning everything there is to know about building speakers even though I'm a beginner.
Thanks for stopping by, it was a pleasure meeting you.
I’m looking for a streamer at the moment and I’m really interested in doing a DIY build. You have any plans of releasing a DIY version of your PecanPi+ Premium? I really would prefer to have a screen on my player.
@@danhorton6182 There will not be DIY versions of any of the premium products. I can provide you with the screen information however if you contact me.
It was fun going, lots of interesting items, and lots of eye openers to what sounds best.
And interestingly enough some that cost quite a bit and I personally didn’t care for the sound.
That looks like a lot of fun. Nice overview! Thanks for those of us who can't get there. Do you happen to remember what the speakers were that were next to the Opal1 speakers that were also on stands? or are they Top Secret?
I don’t remember what they were. They are using the new signature series woofers though. And if I remember correctly, those ones were self powered. I’ll have to see if I can find out and get back to you. Next year you should come. We can walk the show together.
@@Toid I suspected the signature series, but the truncated frames fooled me. I would love to see Axpona, I'm a skyscraper fan, I could see the Sears/Willis tower as well. Hey, 9k away from 100 thousand subscribers! Go! go! go!
Those Dayton Audio Opal 1 speakers look amazing. I went immediately to their website and there's no user reviews yet. I did notice that the sensitivity is low, but I'm guessing by their power rating it's advised to have 200-watts per channel which I know these days comes fairly modest in price in quite a few amps. I look forward to your review. Being familiar with Dayton's resources and penchant for very reasonably priced high-quality drivers I am excited over this speaker.
Big power numbers are pretty easy to achieve on the spec sheet but real world is a different story. The Epipue driver in that is not your typical woofer, small surface area, stiff but heavy cone material, massive surround, and advanced motor structure mean you are probably going to want to spend about as much on the amplification as the speakers to get them to come alive.
A DIY build replicating Cambridge Soundworks Model Twelve would be cool. A portable system that uses the pelican case as a subwoofer.
Very interested about the SB coax!
Those Satori Coaxials are a long time coming ...I thought they were gonna cancel them ngl...
Just an Idea for coaxial speaker - an active desktop speaker. I think it would be interesting in multiple ways:
1) you could cover the topic of bookshelf vs desktop (if there any difference at all, as this is something that bothers me in particular, but the data is quite limited)
2) Take a look at a plate amps that are available for DIY
3) Maybe it makes sense not to go with a plate, but have something like a passive pair with a wiim amp.
Thank you for your work and inspiration!
I would love to see you making a backloaded horn or TML or Tapped Horn with that SB Acoustics Coax, that would be great! edit: If you dont want to do it, get Justin to do it 😂
Thanks for the report! Great that you in the US have such show that also includes DIY and small/creative projects.
I saw those coaxial sb acoustics on madisound. If you do a design please do it with the cheaper ones. A 3 way would be awesome or even an mtm 4 way with woofer on the back for some large bookshelves
Metaxas and the acoras were fascinating
Was hoping to run into you, but alas, no. Great show.
That would have been great! Maybe next year!
mantap..
Wow, those Opal 1 are only 78db efficient. I don't think I've seen speakers that inefficient.
Yeah. There’s a reason I used two of those Epique woofers in my Epic HiFi build. The good news, is those speakers can handle a lot of power. The bad news, you might want a lot of power. When I review them I’ll test them with multiple amplifiers to find out.
I'd love to get out to a show like this sometime. Nice to see links to other youtubers here too.
You should go next year. It’s really a neat experience. And it might be one of the only chances you ever get to experience some of these systems. It’s pretty amazing.
Great vid Nick, looks like we hit most of the same rooms, just not at the same time, I’ll definitely make sure I follow you closer next year, watch out!!!
I can’t believe we missed each other. We’ll definitely catch up next year
I for one would love to see a build using the SB Satori MT19CP-8. Some are saying the performance is similar to the MoFi source point 8 driver which would be pretty cool for the DIY community if true.
we talked a lot about the technology that they used in it. It’s pretty amazing. What type of build are you thinking?
@@Toid A single driver full range setup similar to the Source Point 8. I did some modelling in Win ISD and it looks it will do the trick in a 1 - 1 1/4 cu ft enclosure. I am seriously considering ordering a pair.
@@gregmiller3630 that’s a cool idea! Very similar to what I was already thinking about.
@@Toid If they'll send you a couple of drivers to play with and we get to see the results, that would be awesome. Keep us posted...
I'd like to see an SB Acoustics concentric speaker with passive radiators
That’s an interesting idea. I hadn’t thought of that yet.
Great video - thanks for the speaker content!
Have you contacted SVS about doing a review on the new Evolution speakers?
You should work with Neil Blanchard Designs and make a MLTL for those coaxials, could be intesting. I like the source point 8 style idea too...
Always a possibility. That’s a good idea about the point source eight style.
A super slim on-wall speaker maybe?
Hell ya I definitely agree with that, I’d love to see you work with Neil, I spent a ton of time in his room and I’m sold on his towers with the lineaum tweeter.
Snake oil for the most part in my opinion. I have a good friend that works in a new and used HIGH END audio. This part of the audio world makes me nauseous. The amp and DAC world makes me sick.
In my opinion the only way to make a speaker with mind blowing imaging is planar or electrostatic. You can't beat it...
No new kits from Dayton Audio / Parts Express is pretty disappointing, a finished speaker is a ok idea but I think it should be offered as a kit first and foremost. They have been rolling out some pretty impressive drivers over the last few years but their kits are looking pretty stale. Looking forward to the SB Acoustics coaxial though, maybe something to take on the KEF R3 / R5?
Also, pretty sure its Mad-"A"-sound, not "Madi". As in Madison WI where they are located.
@Toids - You asked - Yes, please - A Børresen M-6 clone using Dayton Signature Series. Or just a three-way with Signature Series and Dayton's new AMT. Just seems like Dayton stepped up their driver game, but - what do you do with it when their kits offering is lacking. Thanks
Just curious can you make a universal passive crossover with lpad and a center frequency of 800 and 1000hz is it possible
Good Stuff Nick!
Thanks Donnie!
Are you still using your "JTR self build speakers" for your home theater?
Open baffle with the SB coax. Best regards.
SB Acoustics concentric does not look like group time-aligned. You may make it time-aligned by adding some latency to midrange (like JBL in their passive line sources) - but that's not trivial.
According to who I spoke to it is. It was also stated as being time aligned in an audioXpress right up. I haven’t personally tested that. But if I get some for the channel, that would be something I would look at. audioxpress.com/news/sb-acoustics-new-7-5-mt19cp-8-satori-coaxial-driver-expands-high-quality-options-for-speaker-designers
Multiple EXIT horn lol
McIntosh would have had to kick me out. There stuff is just 🤤 imo.
Oh man, I don’t know how many high-end systems are running their amplifiers. But there was a lot. I don’t think they had their own room though. Or if they did, I didn’t see it.
@@Toid Oh ok, so I would've just been 🤤 in every room 😂 gotcha !
@@thenotoriousrvh6091 lol, exactly
The opals look very interesting and promising. Now here is a question, which tweeter do you think would be best for home theater, the Dayton Audio DC28F-8 or the Dayton Audio RST28F-4, here we're talking about for both L R and center channels. I was originally thinking about using ribbons, but then backed down because of cost and also durability, plus maybe output ?
I'm a fan of the Dayton RS tweets. They can cross over pretty low and sound great. Good luck!
Out of those choices I would go with the reference.
@@Toid someone told me about making sure that I used Drivers which were compatible with one another. How can I even tell (aside from the Frequency response giving good room at x-over points?). I'm planning on doing 3way speakers with the RST28F-4 (after your advice) as the tweeter, Dayton Audio RS100-8 as the mid, and the Dayton Audio SIG180-4 as the woofer. Do you think these are good picks for a good 3way speaker for both L R and Center channels ?
@@hermangaviria690 this would be a better question to ask on the forum www.toidsdiyaudio.com/forums I would need a little bit more detail such as crossover points, etc. But what I would say is if you have not designed your own speaker before then I would absolutely not do a three-way. It is infinitely harder for beginner to design a proper three-way crossover. It would make more sense to start with a two-way. Either way though, you’re gonna want to make sure you have the decent measurement equipment. Proper measurements are gonna make all the difference in the world with the crossover design.
@@Toid Yea lol, I actually just built a 3 way, sounds amazing, I keep on forgetting about the forum. But don't worry I've worked my way up from a 2way, and this 3way came out amazing!! Given it was my first 3 way but the results were absolutely fantastic. I'm just making sure I choose the right drivers for my "final" build for the home theater (living room).
The 3ways I just built use a DC28F, PC108, and SIG 150, ported tuned at around 50hz with a modeled f3 of 44hz. Internal volume of 18liters. I only finished them like a week ago so I haven't taken the time to make some measurements because they just sound so good.
Also I have all the equipment, trust I've been working hard at learning everything there is to know about building speakers even though I'm a beginner.