Jiren does train He's been training his whole life I know other people have said this and it even the show states it The reason he trained so much is because of his suffering to kill the assassins that killed his family
“What if Jiren actually trains?” did the man forget that in the anime it’s stated he spent his entire life training up to that point to seek revenge on the one who killed his family??
Vegeta even mentioned in the manga that he noticed Jiren was meditating while he wasn’t actively in combat and recognized that he was training his mind after attaining such physical strength.
Basically people of his race only have average strength, kinda like majority of races in the universe, like humans, but way longer lifespan. He is not a member of strong races like saiyans or race of frieza, lol
That doesn’t work with physical fusions. Spirit fission is exactly as it sounds. You can only separate the life energy from someone who absorbs life energy and merges with it. Why does no one know that
the point is vegeta has to inflict damage in order for spirit fusion to work, if the opponent were too much of a match for him and oneshot him, vegeta ultra ego and spirit fusion can't do it's job
Duh wtf😂dude talkin bout jiren training after the TOP not before use yo brain dawg😂acting like just cuz someone trained before they cant stop training (cough cough beerus nd champa)
And one thing u should know, Jiren this whole time was in base form and can rivals even UI or MUI. No one is as strong as Jiren in base form. So if somehow Jiren learn about UI or UE, no one stand will stand a chance. I'm not a fanboy, but not even Beerus can beat Jiren if he learn TUI
Jiren has been training since he was a kid not only that but it’s stated in dbs: super hero’s that he wasn’t stronger than both vegeta and goku he was actually equal to them but more proficient in using his power at a more concentrated level. That’s why he was able to blow people away with a air punch and knock the spirit bomb back.
@@r2rchannel593 not really vegeta says it in the movie that they were equal in power jiren just had more proficiency in using his. Remember jiren never leaked out power like goku and vegeta hence why they thought he was stronger. Whis had stated that if they use their power without any leakage they would be an unstoppable duo but being that their Saiyans it’s hard for them to do that because they’re power houses so power leaks out of them through emotional stress. It’s the reason why we see the barrier around them when they turn super saiyan and so forth.
@@HeyItsMe_SonGoku Dawg that literally makes no sense, jiren was literally just standing there taking punches. There was no technique there was no cool movements he just sat there. Vegeta meant his power wasn’t difffent as in its mortal Ki and not god ki.
@@zamasu3563 remember in the tournament of power when they fought with jiren they had already depleted some of their power with everyone else they had fought it was never a straight up fight
current tui and ue are around hundreds if not thousands of times top mui even current ssb scales above top mui if jiren even rivals goku or vegeta at this point it’s gonna be the biggest asspull yet not to mention jiren has been training his whole life
@@beonowak6414Yeah it’s not like Jiren base was miles ahead of full power goku at the beginning or the tournament or anything. Jiren not being able to compete will be the worst writing in the history of anime
I feel like nobody's taking into consideration that if they did a T.O.P 2 they surely would include the other 4 universes who have the highest mortal levels. Who knows what kinda fighters they would bring to the mix.
@@Titanzyn I'm pretty sure they stated that the other universes were exempt from the tournament because the overall power level of the mortals living in those universes were the highest
@@Titanzyn my guy the angels said unis 1,5,8,12 mortals were so strong they didnt need to be included for their survival im pretty sure they would’ve sweeped uni 7
@Saikyō no Fusion da Isn't the gods' jobs to make mortals stronger. Hence why Beerus and supreme Kai start arguing about who is responsible for their universe's mortal level, whereby without the z fighters, would be rather pathetic. So in essence, both points are right as they go hand in hand with each other.
Also between Hit and the U7 Saiyans and how stupidly fast they all grow, they’d definitely be contending. Plus I could see the Namekians there making similar wishes to Piccolo tbh so they would be able to rival him
I dont understand how dragon ball works jiren has been training whole life over 300 years,goku has been training over 40+ years and gohan who has been training only a day became stronger than goku and jiren
@@zhaiyin665 gohan has been training since he was a kid. He defeated cell, remember? His potential was always higher. Like Broly. Except Broly can use the ancient saiyan form. Like the shy girl from universe 6. Brought out by deep sadness.
Universe 7 had 52 eliminations in total in the tournament of power. That's more than half the field. With the new forms. It's not even close. Add in broly. It's the cleanest sweep you will ever see.
Yeah Gohan's new beast form is supposed to be a massive power spike higher then ultra instinct and ultra ego. Likely Gohan could body all of universe 11 solo.
There would be no more transformations Idiot🤣😂... Goku would be perfecting his UI and same for Vegeta with UE. At the end, they would absorb all strength to base form permanently
Goku is probably going to get ultra instinct x100 kaioken super Saiyan blue 5 and he's still probably going to get one shot only to find another transformation
If Jiren is stronger strong enough to rival like Goku again and like everyone else that we could see Goku go ultra instinct three that would be something. I would love to see because remember, they said he would get two more forms at the end.
@@mr.leroysmith7012 well If we take some things in consideration,each fighter from those universes should be stronger than jiren or in same level not to mention they probably would have Insane abilitys. But for now they most likely would get stomped because they are featless but we can have some ideas of How strong they are
@@XenoVerse_Gokuyea true I would imagine they made it apply to the majority. I’m saying the average mortal is stronger than that of a warrior we know like Yamcha or krillen. Goku, vegeta,jiren, etc have god like strength. Also they were deemed too powerful in the beginning of the tournament. Who’s to say how strong the average warriors are now after participating in the TOP
It's obvious they will also develop their skills and tactics and universe 11 has a lot of potential , universe 6 will also be a tough competition. Who knows about remaining universe that were erased by zeno once probably they have a better fighters than all of these.
Sure but… there’s now at least 4 and maybe 5 characters in U7 who low diff hit from the last time we saw him, he’d have to make a massive leap to catch any of them, and considering he’s already 1000 years old and hasn’t made that jump yet I’d consider it unlikely.
but Hit improves when he fight with equal or stronger oponent, so he can still improve in real fight, i bet he had improved even after fight with Jiren
No it’s actually it’s so balanced there is nothing wrong with it so yeah they could and I think they’ll do that but I don’t think a TOP will happen again
High Mortal Level Doesn't Mean Stronger Mortals, Look At Universe 7, The Second Lowest Mortal Level Yet They Have Strong Mortals. High Mortal Levels Means The Mortals In That Universe Lives Peacefully
@@mrorange9530 exactly. Ppl assume the non participating universes are stronger. Not necessarily, it just means their average mortal level is higher, doesn’t mean they have stronger fighters
Im sick of seeing this hate on her y'alls dont know that the kinder the sayian the easier its for them to go super sayian since of Z cells and yes Caulifla isnt that nice but the sayian race isnt a brutal concuerer race in universe 6 so they have naturally much more Z cells so it actually makes sense she got it rather easily
@@AnimeBoy0811 you should look at the fact that universe 6 sayians are totally different from the 7th sayians so im just sick and tired or people laughing at this plot thing when out of all except Goku's first super sayian transformation it made actual sense or was shown
People keep forgetting that there were universes that didn't even have to participate in the tournament, because their average was way higher than the rest. I'm sure Goku is more interested in those universes, than universe 11.
those universes just had a better mortal level not stronger fighters. “ It is a measuring of the average development, or "quality", of the mortals existing in a universe. The Mortal Level of a universe is directly related to the effectiveness of the jobs of its Supreme Kais and Gods of Destruction (allowing and promoting the creation and development of adequate civilizations and elimination of inadequate ones).” -directly from the dragon ball wiki.
Its the quality of life and how good the life there is, if we see univeree 7, yeaa, majin buu (a threat to a whole universe), a tyrant thats called emperor of the universe, moro, who eats planet for breakfast, a whole planet of saiyans that wants to cknquer the universe under frieza, a god of destructikn that aint doing his job,same with kaioshin jot trying to kill majin buu or place it in his own planet so noone can release it.
Jiren's the type of guy who shows up to basketball practice everyday 1 hour early and is better than everyone. Goku is the type of guy to show up to practice everyday and has steadily stayed in the top 5% of players. Frieza is the type of guy who only trained for a season but is still better than 90% of players. Gohan is the guy who shows up to practice once a month and is better than 90% of the players there. But when he practices for a week, he dominates the court.
@@keithfields1756 He's implying he has better potential. I mean, he achieved Gohan Beast with zero training. I thought it was common Knowledge that Freiza and Gohan always had the best adaptability?
Well, taking into account that people on the stands can give their energy to someone fighting, if Broly ever happens to master his rage and forms, he can just supply the entire team with his endless Ki until the tournament ends. Still, it could be prohibited but due to both Zenos liking UI, and the latter being achieved after an attack powered by others, it could be allowed. But there again, they can just change the rules mid tournament and that would be it.
I'd imagine hit having great potential as well..if he trains and gets stronger as well as improving his timeskip and killing techniques how dangerous he can become.
Yeahh depending on his potential, we know he is really strong, but we don’t really know how fast he can train to improve. So if he has Gohan or Friezas potential there in trouble
@@tolastarvander6378 not at all. Base vegito himself in Buu saga was already stronger than Buu Gohan, which Gohan himself is stronger than ss3 or in DBS is ssb level. So ultra vegito will be that strong and it's not overrated
Not with Broly and beast Gohan.. they would have to eliminate Broly immediately if they want to win if they keep him around for 2 long everyone is fucked... Lol
@@ishmelconway7378 Broly is super strong but inexperienced. They could trick him somehow. Maybe get him to kill an opponent in combat during a rage. He's out.
But I don’t think that would be good since gogeta is goku mui and vegeta ue fusion. One is to never get hit and one is getting hit on purpose to become stronger
What people aren't considering is that now every universe realizes how strong the other universes are This means the GoDs are going to be taking their jobs more seriously. Growth is going to happen everywhere. Plus there was several universes exempt from the ToP, imagine if they have to join
The others were only not exempt due to their gods of destruction not doing their jobs properly according to the Zeno's they're unhappy with every GoD with how they've handled their deity position
I feel like the next tournament will be with the other universes that were exlcluded from the last one, besides the 7th they'd maybe include the 11th and 6th as well. But since those exempt universes were supposed to have a higher overall power level it'd make at least some sense that there would be fighters that could compete with all the new ridiculous forms (not that super really cares about making sense anyway though lol)
Potential? Name another fighter that can go toe to toe with mui and surpass his own god of destruction in base form😂hypothetically if Jiren even gets ui omen he would wipe the floor with all the universe 7 fighters in their current state😂
Don’t forget about the Universes that were erased before the OG tournament. When we won and wished for every universe to come back ie the ones which were destroyed, have been restored and they may be more powerful and evil than anything we have seen yet. They were erased for a reason..
For those who don't understand . "What if he actually trained"- In the anime we have just seen Jiren doing meditation . But we have seen in Jiren childhood that he was doing hard workout but nothing happens because his powerlevel was like humans. Then we have just seen Jiren doing meditation and Vageta was also trying to do meditation like Jiren. We haven't seen Jiren doing training , we have just seen Jiren doing meditation for becoming powerful . That's why he said " What if he actually train " .
Finally someone that understood that jiren is not sitting on his tail after a defeat jiren Has be beyond stronger he was already stronger than his own god of destruction And was able to keep up with master ultra instinct Goku the power of the Angels
Tbf Jirren has been strong for a long time, goku has only been able to achieve ssjb for a few years and only achieved AUI in the tournament. If goku was as old as jirren it would be goku>jirren
@@danielb1745 Does Jiren train with An angel or a god of destruction those he training and a room word time doesn’t exist Answer that Or do he use hard work and effort
@@WarGasDogTv training in the time chamber nd with angels take hard work nd effort so that comment was goofy😂second we dont know how he trains frl so again that comment is goofy, if he trains by himself clearly he went somewhere to do that which is probably something like the time chamber or sum
Can’t forget though that everyone wouldn’t put as much effort into it. They know that they won’t be removed from existence so it kinda removes all incentive to push as hard as they do
I wanna see Gohan finally fulfill and maximize his full potential. He, theoretically, has more potential than Goku so Ultra Instinct might not be out of touch for Gohan.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong But isn't ui tied to god ki? Gohan has beast form which already is immensely powerful. Don't get me wrong I'd love to see more gohan/goten and trunks action But I think beast will be Gohan's stand-out ability for a bit
That was the was until fans did not like that dbz was going to make gohan the mc and not goku anymore… so they made goku the mc again and more powerful
Even universe 6 I mean think about how rapidly caulifla kale and cabba grew and than even hit, hit seems to evolve and get stronger at a fast rate as well
Ik he probably won’t be much of a factor down the line but I need to see Hit come back with some power. His time skip was one of the coolest and most op abilities brought into the series and the fact that his body and power improved while in the heat of battle plus that he’s probably worlds stronger than we last saw him when he lost to jiren.
Either they will fight the higher universes that were exempt from the Tournament of Power or they will fight the 6 universes that were previously erased by Zeno before the tournament started and through a technicality (17’s wish) might have been restored as well.
As u know Goku has already mastered ultra instinct in tournament of power he couldn't hold the divine powers so he knocked himself but now Goku has mastered it so it's obvious Goku is gonna rock the second tournament of power too no one can actually beat goku😎😎
Between orange Piccolo, black Frieza, Mui Goku, beast Gohan, Mue Vegeta, and majin buu being awake even fused Jiren n Toppo after training in the time chamber would still get wiped easy
Jiren always trains, the main change would be him trusting in his partners.. he was the only one who didn’t believe in team work.. him and top would be the only two who would be a problem still.. the other members had tag team battle moves
This also assumes if Belmond stepped down as God of Destruction and Toppo took his place. Gods are forbidden participate in the Tournament of Power, but those have powers that can rival gods or have god-like powers can.
I hope what they do if they have a second tournament is that the opposite universes fuse and they have a tournament based off of that. Either that or it’s all of those universes against the higher level universes.
I think the biggest underestimation is the fact that there's some universes that were so strong that they even participate so even jiren power UP doesn't compare to that
The most glaringly obvious thing missing that this short didn’t address was that several universes didn’t even participate due to being deemed too strong to even need to compete. If they had to participate, we would get to finally understand how big the gap is
If Jiren and Toppo can fuse. Our Goat Goku & Vegeta can fuse. First, they should fuse to Gogeta. Then make Future Trunks and Broly fuse. After that, use potara ring with Gogeta and fused Broly & Trunks. This is good idea, isn't it?
The only thing that might cause problems is Belmod He’s been looking to step down from GoD, and since it’ll be a while until we get another ToP, Toppo will probably be the GoD by then
We saw that with about 6 month of training a character (Frieza) was able to go from losing to Super Saiyan 1 to matching Super Saiyan Blue. And the other universes could also have their own time chamber so could train for years in days. They could be far stronger.
It would be so fire to find out that the evil one who killed Jirens family was actually a saiyan who tried taking over his home planet like that would go so hard then he kills Kai’s like Goku black and hops around other time lines with a time ring
that doesn't really make any sense, because universe 6 and 7 are parallels from each other as such they are the only 2 universes that have the saiyan spieces in them, and we know that 7's saiyans died because of frieza, while the universe 6 saiyans were more docile in nature rather than aggressive.
What’s crazy is that jirin has ssjb lvl power he just fights in a specific way to make his strength seem like all that lol imagin how strong he would be if he continued training
Imagine Jiren trained more since ToP. Imagine if Jiren learned god ki. Imagine dyspo actually became a good fighter with his speed. Imagine Toppo actually gets at the level of a full fledged destroyer. Imagine if Frost trained and got black form. Imagine if Hit grew his time skip to longer periods and also got stronger through training. Imagine if Caulifla, cabba and kale underwent training under Vados and Champa and also learn god ki similarly to goku and vegeta. Imagine if Broly joins universe 7 team. Imagine if android 18 also became a park ranger and got magically stronger. Imagine if the universes who were exempt from the first tournament because of their higher mortal level were also made to compete.
Force spirit fusion, for the first point but I’d never under estimate jiren and top, but deep down thinking about it now, this top destroyer vs mue vegeta gonna be a crazy rematch
Do you believe there is a chance any other universe can catch up to 7 at this point?
Ture yes
Yep universe 2 with the power of ❤LOVE❤
Edit 9 months later: I have no idea what possessed me to type this😭
@@guh2709 wait can you use the power of depression because if you can Zeno be falling to there knees
yep only jiren
Jiren does train He's been training his whole life I know other people have said this and it even the show states it The reason he trained so much is because of his suffering to kill the assassins that killed his family
“What if he actually trained”
he’s been training his whole life to get revenge on the assassins that killed his people the show states that
That’s what I was thinking
And he's hundreds of years old
Right? Seemed like his issue was always training and fighting alone.
If he trained with other people he means jiren was training by himself
Exactly what I said while listening to the video. Makes me wonder if they've actually watched the series
“What if Jiren actually trains?” did the man forget that in the anime it’s stated he spent his entire life training up to that point to seek revenge on the one who killed his family??
that’s what i thought
Vegeta even mentioned in the manga that he noticed Jiren was meditating while he wasn’t actively in combat and recognized that he was training his mind after attaining such physical strength.
Same, im about to comment it
And he's actually been around hundred years old already lol,
Basically people of his race only have average strength, kinda like majority of races in the universe, like humans, but way longer lifespan. He is not a member of strong races like saiyans or race of frieza, lol
Doesn’t matter if they fuse. *Vegeta laughs in Forced Spirit Fission*
There will be an excuse for why it doesn't work on a Jippo fusion
@@theMVPeet Damn Plot
Wouldn't toppo be a destroyer god at that point
@@williamholden7551 That doesn’t mean it wouldn’t work, he used it on Morro just fine, and he overpowered MUI
That doesn’t work with physical fusions. Spirit fission is exactly as it sounds. You can only separate the life energy from someone who absorbs life energy and merges with it. Why does no one know that
As long as Buu doesn’t fall asleep again, Universe 7 sweeps.
If buu falls asleep again then they can get future trunks or gamma 1
@@Jake_EditzYT buu op
Buu solos everybody
@@DropAndTop ok?
😂
Can we remember that even if Jiren fuses, Vegeta can just defuse them.
Yea, Exactly.
glad i’m not the only one who remembers spirit fission.
The plot won't allow that
the point is vegeta has to inflict damage in order for spirit fusion to work, if the opponent were too much of a match for him and oneshot him, vegeta ultra ego and spirit fusion can't do it's job
Vegeta's pride wouldn't allow him to do that lol
“What if Jiren trained to get stronger”bros been training his life for just strenght alone
But does that mean he ain't getting stronger which is the whole point of the message?
Jiren would solo universe 7 ong
@@pacocarrillo6388 he literally couldnt even do that before they got stronger😂mui goku soloed him
Duh wtf😂dude talkin bout jiren training after the TOP not before use yo brain dawg😂acting like just cuz someone trained before they cant stop training (cough cough beerus nd champa)
Jiren Rn probs stronger than goku tui cause he said he will train and won’t lose again
Can't believe it's five years and we're still waiting for another saga
Moro, granolah
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Opm😅😅
@@omnixvhe meant the anime
@@Roby27_ facts
Amazing that Jiren looks like a default alien 👽 with anger issues.
It’s kind of implied that Jiren trains a lot. He was not naturally strong which is why he has his tragic backstory.
It's still crazy how strong he got without a zenkai
And one thing u should know, Jiren this whole time was in base form and can rivals even UI or MUI. No one is as strong as Jiren in base form. So if somehow Jiren learn about UI or UE, no one stand will stand a chance. I'm not a fanboy, but not even Beerus can beat Jiren if he learn TUI
@@apalahcokkFor your last statement, it’s partly true, in the anime, yes, in the manga, no.
@@DaBoiDab yep but doesn't change a fact that if Jiren learn ui he is unbeatable even for gods. His base form alone is already stronger than belmod
Jiren doesnt hv god ki.
Imagine if he gets god ki
Jiren has been training since he was a kid not only that but it’s stated in dbs: super hero’s that he wasn’t stronger than both vegeta and goku he was actually equal to them but more proficient in using his power at a more concentrated level. That’s why he was able to blow people away with a air punch and knock the spirit bomb back.
He's basically batman in dbz universe.
Well he was still stronger but not by much.
@@r2rchannel593 not really vegeta says it in the movie that they were equal in power jiren just had more proficiency in using his. Remember jiren never leaked out power like goku and vegeta hence why they thought he was stronger. Whis had stated that if they use their power without any leakage they would be an unstoppable duo but being that their Saiyans it’s hard for them to do that because they’re power houses so power leaks out of them through emotional stress. It’s the reason why we see the barrier around them when they turn super saiyan and so forth.
@@HeyItsMe_SonGoku Dawg that literally makes no sense, jiren was literally just standing there taking punches. There was no technique there was no cool movements he just sat there. Vegeta meant his power wasn’t difffent as in its mortal Ki and not god ki.
@@zamasu3563 remember in the tournament of power when they fought with jiren they had already depleted some of their power with everyone else they had fought it was never a straight up fight
I just realized that the tournament of power was a big troll the last two universes were 7-Eleven😂
He's onto us
What if it was 9 eleven :0
@@RinceWrenchskina 9 got sweeped 2 quickly well keep the twin towers this time
@@RinceWrenchskiit would be an explosive tournament
one can planely see that it would be a blast.@@RinceWrenchski
Jiren literally said he's going to train after the tournament of power.
current tui and ue are around hundreds if not thousands of times top mui even current ssb scales above top mui if jiren even rivals goku or vegeta at this point it’s gonna be the biggest asspull yet not to mention jiren has been training his whole life
@@beonowak6414Yeah it’s not like Jiren base was miles ahead of full power goku at the beginning or the tournament or anything. Jiren not being able to compete will be the worst writing in the history of anime
I feel like nobody's taking into consideration that if they did a T.O.P 2 they surely would include the other 4 universes who have the highest mortal levels. Who knows what kinda fighters they would bring to the mix.
They aren’t confirmed strong it’s just that their G.o.D’s are balanced and do their jobs amazingly
@@Titanzyn I'm pretty sure they stated that the other universes were exempt from the tournament because the overall power level of the mortals living in those universes were the highest
@@Titanzyn my guy the angels said unis 1,5,8,12 mortals were so strong they didnt need to be included for their survival im pretty sure they would’ve sweeped uni 7
@@alex95636 no its cuz the gods do their jobs not because they are stonger
@Saikyō no Fusion da Isn't the gods' jobs to make mortals stronger. Hence why Beerus and supreme Kai start arguing about who is responsible for their universe's mortal level, whereby without the z fighters, would be rather pathetic. So in essence, both points are right as they go hand in hand with each other.
Also between Hit and the U7 Saiyans and how stupidly fast they all grow, they’d definitely be contending. Plus I could see the Namekians there making similar wishes to Piccolo tbh so they would be able to rival him
Jiren is over 400 years old. He’s been training his whole life
i hope youre joking
@@romart03 Jiren has been training his entire life. It was said in his backstory.
@@JT-km6th I think he meant for the “over 400 years old”. Jiren is definitely not over 400 years old 💀
I dont understand how dragon ball works jiren has been training whole life over 300 years,goku has been training over 40+ years and gohan who has been training only a day became stronger than goku and jiren
@@zhaiyin665 gohan has been training since he was a kid. He defeated cell, remember?
His potential was always higher. Like Broly. Except Broly can use the ancient saiyan form. Like the shy girl from universe 6. Brought out by deep sadness.
Universe 7 had 52 eliminations in total in the tournament of power. That's more than half the field. With the new forms. It's not even close. Add in broly. It's the cleanest sweep you will ever see.
Still a possibility I suppose
@@JaylonDBZ Jiren has been training for a long time. The Jiren we saw on the first ToP was maybe his full potential.
@@theonewhoasked4808 may but not is
@@invinciblebeast1915 Yeah, that's why I said maybe.
@@theonewhoasked4808Alone*
Not under god/angel
I just wanna see Gohan smack the goofy outta people
Onggg when Gohan turns into a savage
Yeah Gohan's new beast form is supposed to be a massive power spike higher then ultra instinct and ultra ego. Likely Gohan could body all of universe 11 solo.
Hahaha overkill tbh
Yep gohan beast is again leader in u7
Nice video❤
Black Freiza: “Did you monkeys forget about me?”
Freiza would probably only enter the tournament for the Dragon Balls at the end
@@rosalyndt85He would still stomp most likely
Broly needs a comeback if there is a 3rd tournament of power.
3rd ?
@@sethIIWII he might be counting the like prep one, the one where gohan got blinded by poison fromone of the wolf siblings
@@fryer-wrightfamily8853broly gets smashed
@@JaimeCruz-b7p in what way
@@fryer-wrightfamily8853 if u know what I mean 😏
Goku be like : hold my plot Armour and my new transformations
You mean Gohan and not Goku
Goku and vegeta earn it tho. It’s not surprising. What you want them to die and just come back? It’s better than that.
There would be no more transformations Idiot🤣😂... Goku would be perfecting his UI and same for Vegeta with UE. At the end, they would absorb all strength to base form permanently
Goku is probably going to get ultra instinct x100 kaioken super Saiyan blue 5 and he's still probably going to get one shot only to find another transformation
@@googleboss215 meanwhile In 2024 Fully Mastered Godly Ultra instinct goku
If Jiren is stronger strong enough to rival like Goku again and like everyone else that we could see Goku go ultra instinct three that would be something. I would love to see because remember, they said he would get two more forms at the end.
Everybody Gangsta till the universes with high mortal level shows up
they would get smacked too
@@grimmreaper1012 bet
they are not as strong as universe 11 and 7 lol. they only have high mortal count
@@mr.leroysmith7012 well If we take some things in consideration,each fighter from those universes should be stronger than jiren or in same level not to mention they probably would have Insane abilitys. But for now they most likely would get stomped because they are featless but we can have some ideas of How strong they are
@@XenoVerse_Gokuyea true I would imagine they made it apply to the majority. I’m saying the average mortal is stronger than that of a warrior we know like Yamcha or krillen. Goku, vegeta,jiren, etc have god like strength. Also they were deemed too powerful in the beginning of the tournament. Who’s to say how strong the average warriors are now after participating in the TOP
It's obvious they will also develop their skills and tactics and universe 11 has a lot of potential , universe 6 will also be a tough competition.
Who knows about remaining universe that were erased by zeno once probably they have a better fighters than all of these.
Yeah, Hits improvements would also be a huge threat as well! Def agree with everything you said here
Sure but… there’s now at least 4 and maybe 5 characters in U7 who low diff hit from the last time we saw him, he’d have to make a massive leap to catch any of them, and considering he’s already 1000 years old and hasn’t made that jump yet I’d consider it unlikely.
Frieza, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Gas, Granolah, Broly, Moro and probably Piccolo
but Hit improves when he fight with equal or stronger oponent, so he can still improve in real fight, i bet he had improved even after fight with Jiren
but still all of them slap him
All the universes who didn’t have to participate last time would be a huge threat as they have stupidly high mortal levels
No it’s actually it’s so balanced there is nothing wrong with it so yeah they could and I think they’ll do that but I don’t think a TOP will happen again
High Mortal Level Doesn't Mean Stronger Mortals, Look At Universe 7, The Second Lowest Mortal Level Yet They Have Strong Mortals. High Mortal Levels Means The Mortals In That Universe Lives Peacefully
@@mrorange9530 exactly. Ppl assume the non participating universes are stronger. Not necessarily, it just means their average mortal level is higher, doesn’t mean they have stronger fighters
that doesn't mean they are strong tho so no
Vegeta learned “forced spirit fission” so vegeta could unfuse Jiren and toppo.
We really about to say Jiren doesn’t train?
Love how he ignores these comments too
Mad Jiren mopped them
Bro Jiren trained his whole life😭😭😭
They have plot armor
My guy hit gonna come back and carry universe 6 again
I’m with you I really like universe 6 they got 3 sayans and hit a beast
Hit gonna get knocked out by one of u2 goofballs knowing how they nerfed him through out the series💀
@@Amazed_YT aye Fr 😫
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Im sick of seeing this hate on her y'alls dont know that the kinder the sayian the easier its for them to go super sayian since of Z cells and yes Caulifla isnt that nice but the sayian race isnt a brutal concuerer race in universe 6 so they have naturally much more Z cells so it actually makes sense she got it rather easily
@@F3ekku749 I don’t hate her but the fact that they got super sayin by a tingly feeling they took something legendary into a joke I blame the writer
@@AnimeBoy0811 you should look at the fact that universe 6 sayians are totally different from the 7th sayians so im just sick and tired or people laughing at this plot thing when out of all except Goku's first super sayian transformation it made actual sense or was shown
@@F3ekku749 its a shitty plot thats pure bs. A super sayian bargain sale
Jiren has been training his whole life, I think he reached his potential
People keep forgetting that there were universes that didn't even have to participate in the tournament, because their average was way higher than the rest. I'm sure Goku is more interested in those universes, than universe 11.
Jiren is regarded as the sole mortal who had a power stronger than a God of destruction
those universes just had a better mortal level not stronger fighters.
“ It is a measuring of the average development, or "quality", of the mortals existing in a universe. The Mortal Level of a universe is directly related to the effectiveness of the jobs of its Supreme Kais and Gods of Destruction (allowing and promoting the creation and development of adequate civilizations and elimination of inadequate ones).”
-directly from the dragon ball wiki.
Its the quality of life and how good the life there is, if we see univeree 7, yeaa, majin buu (a threat to a whole universe), a tyrant thats called emperor of the universe, moro, who eats planet for breakfast, a whole planet of saiyans that wants to cknquer the universe under frieza, a god of destructikn that aint doing his job,same with kaioshin jot trying to kill majin buu or place it in his own planet so noone can release it.
Jiren's the type of guy who shows up to basketball practice everyday 1 hour early and is better than everyone.
Goku is the type of guy to show up to practice everyday and has steadily stayed in the top 5% of players.
Frieza is the type of guy who only trained for a season but is still better than 90% of players.
Gohan is the guy who shows up to practice once a month and is better than 90% of the players there. But when he practices for a week, he dominates the court.
I hope you aren't implying that Gohan is stronger than freiza and Goku🤣
@@keithfields1756 He Is. Took Down A Broly Level Threat Solo.
@@keithfields1756 way more potential
@@keithfields1756 He's implying he has better potential. I mean, he achieved Gohan Beast with zero training. I thought it was common Knowledge that Freiza and Gohan always had the best adaptability?
Frieza is 10x strnger atm
Well, taking into account that people on the stands can give their energy to someone fighting, if Broly ever happens to master his rage and forms, he can just supply the entire team with his endless Ki until the tournament ends. Still, it could be prohibited but due to both Zenos liking UI, and the latter being achieved after an attack powered by others, it could be allowed. But there again, they can just change the rules mid tournament and that would be it.
What do you mean if Jiren actually trained...? He's been training since he was a child, you tripper 🤣
Black frezia 💀💀💀
Black frieza fake
@@skibidi1248 bro it’s not fake read the manga
@@skibidi1248 are you live in Rock
Boo in the tourney instead of roshi n get cell to replace krillin
Jiren has been training his whole life, of course he had continued.
I'd imagine hit having great potential as well..if he trains and gets stronger as well as improving his timeskip and killing techniques how dangerous he can become.
Fac
But he'll have an obstacle ue vegeta and mui goku
@@tanjirokamado5449 and black frieza that can one shot him
This is a good concept
The tournament could also include the universes with higher life form levels that were exempt from the first
Damn bro. I've always thought that too. They probably have fighters waaay more powerful than what universe 7 and 11 have
@@BroMiyukithey were not in because of their high mortal levels it does not mean that they are stronger it means that they have better gods
Can you do normal videos too? Btw love this conent so far! 😊
Def will do! Just want to make sure it is as entertaining as possible and I set myself apart from every other RUclipsr
@@JaylonDBZwish u luck
He will basically be Gohan but on drugs
Yeahh depending on his potential, we know he is really strong, but we don’t really know how fast he can train to improve. So if he has Gohan or Friezas potential there in trouble
Yeah but Jiren did train most his life for that power
@@dumb4boots758 not with anyone tho he was more like a lone wolf
Lol true
Gohan barely trained got stronger than goku jiren trained his entire life
The guy literally Shaked the world of void by just waking, I really miss the Jiren we had at the beginning of the TOP
Imagine how fast dyspo became after training in hyperbolic chamber
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Frost: hey frieeeeezaaaaaa!!!!!!
black frieza:👁️👄👁️
i LITERALLY heard his OH OH OH
If Jiren learn about MUI or UE, Frieza get stomped
If learned both he stomps especially if we use Callmearj Ultra Vegito manga characters
@@emmanuelojurongbe2469vegito for that serie is overraded
@@tolastarvander6378 not at all. Base vegito himself in Buu saga was already stronger than Buu Gohan, which Gohan himself is stronger than ss3 or in DBS is ssb level. So ultra vegito will be that strong and it's not overrated
Actually, we all know Jirens‘ potential… he‘s not like freeza to never train 😅
Pride troopers working as a unit would wreck everyone in their path lol
Not with Broly and beast Gohan.. they would have to eliminate Broly immediately if they want to win if they keep him around for 2 long everyone is fucked... Lol
@@ishmelconway7378 Broly is super strong but inexperienced.
They could trick him somehow. Maybe get him to kill an opponent in combat during a rage. He's out.
Imagine Gogeta training to get better and becomes MUI Gogeta……..
Don’t think nobody can touch this man!
But I don’t think that would be good since gogeta is goku mui and vegeta ue fusion. One is to never get hit and one is getting hit on purpose to become stronger
Also, Mastered UI is a Lame term. Once you "Master" something, it just IS.
Y'all forgetting Goku managed to power up to even get a halo...
We don’t need fusions and if “jiren actually trains” he’s been training his whole life he didn’t have natural talent
It would be Ultra Gogeta not Instinct.
What people aren't considering is that now every universe realizes how strong the other universes are
This means the GoDs are going to be taking their jobs more seriously.
Growth is going to happen everywhere.
Plus there was several universes exempt from the ToP, imagine if they have to join
The others were only not exempt due to their gods of destruction not doing their jobs properly according to the Zeno's they're unhappy with every GoD with how they've handled their deity position
I feel like the next tournament will be with the other universes that were exlcluded from the last one, besides the 7th they'd maybe include the 11th and 6th as well. But since those exempt universes were supposed to have a higher overall power level it'd make at least some sense that there would be fighters that could compete with all the new ridiculous forms (not that super really cares about making sense anyway though lol)
Bro forgot that jiren was training with margarita 😂
Broley would be on universe 7 as well so it would be epic
And buu got in shape, and he doesn't sleep as much. Buu is my favorite character. He's hilarious.
Potential? Name another fighter that can go toe to toe with mui and surpass his own god of destruction in base form😂hypothetically if Jiren even gets ui omen he would wipe the floor with all the universe 7 fighters in their current state😂
maybe the other universes that didn't participate I mean they have a high mortal count so maybe
and then black frieza comes in and knocks out jiren in one shot
@@Mastered_ultra_instinct_goku1ant that would be it. Frieza is so far above everybody else
Don’t forget about the Universes that were erased before the OG tournament. When we won and wished for every universe to come back ie the ones which were destroyed, have been restored and they may be more powerful and evil than anything we have seen yet. They were erased for a reason..
For those who don't understand .
"What if he actually trained"- In the anime we have just seen Jiren doing meditation . But we have seen in Jiren childhood that he was doing hard workout but nothing happens because his powerlevel was like humans. Then we have just seen Jiren doing meditation and Vageta was also trying to do meditation like Jiren. We haven't seen Jiren doing training , we have just seen Jiren doing meditation for becoming powerful . That's why he said " What if he actually train " .
Jiren trains his entire life to get revenge on the people who killed his family
Finally someone that understood that jiren is not sitting on his tail after a defeat jiren Has be beyond stronger he was already stronger than his own god of destruction And was able to keep up with master ultra instinct Goku the power of the Angels
Tbf Jirren has been strong for a long time, goku has only been able to achieve ssjb for a few years and only achieved AUI in the tournament. If goku was as old as jirren it would be goku>jirren
@@danielb1745 Does Jiren train with An angel or a god of destruction those he training and a room word time doesn’t exist Answer that Or do he use hard work and effort
@@danielb1745 its already goku>jiren😂goKu literally beat jiren in the TOP
@@WarGasDogTv training in the time chamber nd with angels take hard work nd effort so that comment was goofy😂second we dont know how he trains frl so again that comment is goofy, if he trains by himself clearly he went somewhere to do that which is probably something like the time chamber or sum
Can’t forget though that everyone wouldn’t put as much effort into it. They know that they won’t be removed from existence so it kinda removes all incentive to push as hard as they do
Ultra Gogeta Enters The Chat:
No he doesn't because thats an impossible form
@@Luco_TAno its not, go read the manga, if one fusion knows a technique the other can use it too qhen fused
@@atomichydrahd3192 "read the manga" why don't you? Do you know what's required for ultra instinct and ultra ego respectively?
@@atomichydrahd3192manga reader hear you are incorrect
@@_Captain_Anarchy_ nope, I'm correct
Jiren already trains, he has trained since he was a child to avenge his family and if he fused with toppo vegeta can defuse them
Yea I mean everyone acts like the other universes are just gonna sit there and twiddle their thumbs
Thats what Im saying! Ppl swear universe 7 the only universe with potential!
@@JaylonDBZ jiren trains all the time
@@JaylonDBZ i mean i think universe 6 has a lot of potential
Universe 7 is already stacked with raw power and rapid growth potential
I wanna see Gohan finally fulfill and maximize his full potential. He, theoretically, has more potential than Goku so Ultra Instinct might not be out of touch for Gohan.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong
But isn't ui tied to god ki?
Gohan has beast form which already is immensely powerful.
Don't get me wrong I'd love to see more gohan/goten and trunks action
But I think beast will be Gohan's stand-out ability for a bit
That was the was until fans did not like that dbz was going to make gohan the mc and not goku anymore… so they made goku the mc again and more powerful
Can you do what if jiren trained in a room for ten years and replaceed belmod
Thats actually not a bad idea!
He’s already stronger than belmod
Claim ur ticket if ur early
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WHAT IF
17 trained for STRENGTH?
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Jiren has been training his whole life but he trains through meditation. Thousands and thousands of battles in his mind.
Imagine a fused ultra instinct, it's all over.
Exactly
Ultra Ego Instinct Vegito
They would defuse in a matter of seconds once he even activated it cuz of the power
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Even universe 6 I mean think about how rapidly caulifla kale and cabba grew and than even hit, hit seems to evolve and get stronger at a fast rate as well
Ik he probably won’t be much of a factor down the line but I need to see Hit come back with some power. His time skip was one of the coolest and most op abilities brought into the series and the fact that his body and power improved while in the heat of battle plus that he’s probably worlds stronger than we last saw him when he lost to jiren.
Either they will fight the higher universes that were exempt from the Tournament of Power or they will fight the 6 universes that were previously erased by Zeno before the tournament started and through a technicality (17’s wish) might have been restored as well.
Toppo would probably become god off destruction before the tournament off power 2
Black Friza, Goku masterd ultra instinct, Vegeta ultra ego, and Yellow piccolo, Gray hier gohan
As u know Goku has already mastered ultra instinct in tournament of power he couldn't hold the divine powers so he knocked himself but now Goku has mastered it so it's obvious Goku is gonna rock the second tournament of power too no one can actually beat goku😎😎
Second tournament is gonna be legendary. Can't wait.
Between orange Piccolo, black Frieza, Mui Goku, beast Gohan, Mue Vegeta, and majin buu being awake even fused Jiren n Toppo after training in the time chamber would still get wiped easy
Goku, vegeta, broly, gohan, buu, cell, frieza, 17 & piccolo would be an awesome lineup
What we need is a spin-off with jiren as the main it kind of prequel explaining it all it would be an epic show
Jiren always trains, the main change would be him trusting in his partners.. he was the only one who didn’t believe in team work.. him and top would be the only two who would be a problem still.. the other members had tag team battle moves
This also assumes if Belmond stepped down as God of Destruction and Toppo took his place. Gods are forbidden participate in the Tournament of Power, but those have powers that can rival gods or have god-like powers can.
I hope what they do if they have a second tournament is that the opposite universes fuse and they have a tournament based off of that. Either that or it’s all of those universes against the higher level universes.
It truly doesn't matter how strong the enemy gets in any story.
Because more often than not the main character always wins in the end.
I think the biggest underestimation is the fact that there's some universes that were so strong that they even participate so even jiren power UP doesn't compare to that
The most glaringly obvious thing missing that this short didn’t address was that several universes didn’t even participate due to being deemed too strong to even need to compete. If they had to participate, we would get to finally understand how big the gap is
If Jiren and Toppo can fuse.
Our Goat Goku & Vegeta can fuse.
First, they should fuse to Gogeta. Then make Future Trunks and Broly fuse.
After that, use potara ring with Gogeta and fused Broly & Trunks.
This is good idea, isn't it?
Hahahahaha what an idea wow
@@Conqueror_2003 did you bully me? huh 🤔.
And I wrote mistake probably .
Should I say "Beast Gohan + SSJG Trunks"
The only thing that might cause problems is Belmod
He’s been looking to step down from GoD, and since it’ll be a while until we get another ToP, Toppo will probably be the GoD by then
We saw that with about 6 month of training a character (Frieza) was able to go from losing to Super Saiyan 1 to matching Super Saiyan Blue. And the other universes could also have their own time chamber so could train for years in days. They could be far stronger.
History is the proof that a foe has never been the final antagonist twice in a tournament
It would be so fire to find out that the evil one who killed Jirens family was actually a saiyan who tried taking over his home planet like that would go so hard then he kills Kai’s like Goku black and hops around other time lines with a time ring
that doesn't really make any sense, because universe 6 and 7 are parallels from each other as such they are the only 2 universes that have the saiyan spieces in them, and we know that 7's saiyans died because of frieza, while the universe 6 saiyans were more docile in nature rather than aggressive.
Imagine tournament of power 2
Leader of team universe 7
Gohan beast with black frieza
Maybe trained under Angel and achieve UI, or, perfect his unleashed power..?
Universe 6’s Saiyan kid’s power levels made no sense, it seemed like lazy writing. Due to that, they have real potential to spoil things.
Universe 7 sweeps hard and it’s not even close anymore. Even if you don’t optimize the team by subbing in Buu and Broly they still take a fat W
What’s crazy is that jirin has ssjb lvl power he just fights in a specific way to make his strength seem like all that lol imagin how strong he would be if he continued training
Jiren did train his entire life
Imagine Jiren trained more since ToP. Imagine if Jiren learned god ki. Imagine dyspo actually became a good fighter with his speed. Imagine Toppo actually gets at the level of a full fledged destroyer. Imagine if Frost trained and got black form. Imagine if Hit grew his time skip to longer periods and also got stronger through training. Imagine if Caulifla, cabba and kale underwent training under Vados and Champa and also learn god ki similarly to goku and vegeta. Imagine if Broly joins universe 7 team. Imagine if android 18 also became a park ranger and got magically stronger. Imagine if the universes who were exempt from the first tournament because of their higher mortal level were also made to compete.
Force spirit fusion, for the first point but I’d never under estimate jiren and top, but deep down thinking about it now, this top destroyer vs mue vegeta gonna be a crazy rematch