so according to the director this scene is symbolic for Touga trying to seduce Sanoji and Sanoji is just going ''dude that's gay, I'm not gay am i? no im not anyway look at my body''
are we forgetting that Akio just let go the driver's wheel and flop onto the front of the car that is most possibly one of the most dangerous things someone can do
Saionji and touga having lame sex ... now in english! Honestly thats kinda hilarious cuz like... saionji thirsted for tougas attention for like whole series and now that theyre finally relieving that tension he finds that its sort of whatever, lmao.
i haven't ever tried to watch the dub in its entirety bc i love the original voice cast so much but i am now seriously considering doing my next rewatch in english.......
Personally I see this scene as Touga being juxtaposed with Akio. Ultimately, he isn't like Akio who only uses people as tools because Touga genuinely respects Utena, and he even starts being a better friend/fuck buddy to Saionji as a result.
like a week ago i had a dream where touga and saionji were having a moonlit tea party with THE most homoerotic subtext of all time. anyways this scene might have inspired that
I only watch subs cuz the dialogue just sounds so cringy in English but yeah the anime was super low budget so the English version was very sloppily done. I would be laughing half the time if I had watched the Utena dub 😂
Why is everyone talking about symbolism and gay shit i only see a man asserting dominance. I don't see what everyone else seems to see in the show, i prefer to have straight up to the point explanations
Kunihiko Ikuhara, who directed Revolutionary Girl Utena, is known for his symbolism in anime. He usually won’t say exactly what he wants. He tells stories through color symbolism, metaphors, rose symbolism, animal symbolism, music, sexuality, gender identity, etc. Ikuhara has created his own avant garde style of anime through his less “head on” approach. It leaves the viewer wondering what is happening and what everything means. You see a man asserting dominance because of the symbolic way Ikuhara shows it in this scene. Touga has bright red hair which symbolizes power and he’s driving the main motorcycle. Touga says, “You don’t like it because I’m driving, right?” And Saionji says, “I don’t like not being in control.” Touga’s words, his red hair, and his red motorcycle all symbolize his desire for power and control over men and women alike through sex. The motorcycles and cars seen in Utena largely represent the characters using sex as a way to control people and making them into the person they want them to be. Ikuhara doesn’t want to show characters having sex, he wants to create otherworldly scenarios that give off the feeling of an unfair power dynamic. Honestly, Touga in this scene has learned all of these behaviors from Akio. He drives a bright red car where he takes advantage of his students and brainwashes men into thinking that they have all the power. There’s a scene where Akio takes photographs of Touga and Saionji shirtless and he passes on his manipulative way of thinking onto both of them. Akio also wears red many times throughout the anime and movie. He doesn’t view sex as a deeply intimate act of shared love and compassion. Akio views sex as the key to controlling someone. Just like you need keys to start a car, Akio believes that you need the key to people’s minds in order to control their mind and body. A car is nothing without the key to start it. In the movie Akio says to Anthy, “A car without its key begins to rust.” If Akio doesn’t have the key, his power and control seizes to have any effect on the victim. Once the victim knows the manipulation tactics, the manipulator has no power. Which begs the question, did Akio even have power in the first place? Or did he just create an elaborate world where he’s in charge of everything and everyone because he’s truly weak?
Because Sayonji is straight. There’s actually layers to this. Touga is being manipulated by a man who groomed him, and now he’s perpetuating the cycle by being with his friend this way. Gay people are awesome, but there’s a lot of nuance to this. :)
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so according to the director this scene is symbolic for Touga trying to seduce Sanoji and Sanoji is just going ''dude that's gay, I'm not gay am i? no im not anyway look at my body''
Ehhh I thought it has more a "I am not a bottom :(" energy, while trying really hard to show he is not a bottom
@@carlosdumbratzen6332 sanoji is a brat touga is a brat tamer
@@carlosdumbratzen6332 yeah i got "im not a bottom" from it too lol
@@anhane6133 so he's LITERALLY t-posing to assert dominance
@@vaguehipster Saonji invented the intimidating t-posing
I dunno why, but seeing Touga casually wear a helmet and warn Sajonji about road safety is the funniest shit ever to me.
touga the known law-abider
Ohhhh "Road safety" 😂😂
This is the wildest most stupid metaphor for gay sex ever and I Love It
I thought that was the end of the movie
@@starvoltnexus3139 no that was LESBIAN sex
@@starvoltnexus3139both take place on the highway
If only Saionji got more screen time, he could've defeated Akio and dismantled his plans easily with his legendary T pose
And more Anthy slapping
The dub can get a lot of flak at times, but this scene is genuinely funny and actually matches the timing and delivery of the Japanese version.
I love the dub lmao it’s hilarious but it still feels just as emotional
@@Boogiepophantom It's a mixed bag, but Crispin Freeman absolutely WAS Touga for me
The dub is AWESOME. Fite me!
Bad dubs add an extra layer of entertainment
@@sinew1000 ummm u mean good dubs
"I'll have my answers soon. Tonight"
"TONIGHT"
"Saonji,"
"YEAH? WHAT?"
Saonji clearly doesn't like to be bothered when he's t-posing
are we forgetting that Akio just let go the driver's wheel and flop onto the front of the car that is most possibly one of the most dangerous things someone can do
Akio does as Akio pleases.
that's kinda the point i think
Akio ghost riding the whip before it was cool
Seeing some love for Utena in 2022 warms my heart
I think a certain mecha anime has something to do with it.
@@stinkymrsnow.............. I wasn't talking about NGE.
@@AlexaRobin21 oh, what mecha anime was it?
@@stinkymrsnow.............. Gundam: Witch From Mercury
@@AlexaRobin21 ah, I thought it to be Macross: Frontier
such a beautifully weird and somehow simultaneously blatant and roundabout metaphor for bottoming
The "You have weird tastes" line with the emphasis on the "too" at the end makes me laugh every time. I love the delivery and just the whole thing.
I have no context for this and all I'm getting is some homoerotic tension
That’s all you need to know
This is the correct reading for any Revolutionary Girl Utena scene
You get the same tension with context.
@@Usagi393😂😂😂😂
Kinda feels like you're reading the right context
"Saionji.."
"YEAH WHAT?"
"Standing like that is dangerous"
...
"..right"
Saionji and touga having lame sex ... now in english!
Honestly thats kinda hilarious cuz like... saionji thirsted for tougas attention for like whole series and now that theyre finally relieving that tension he finds that its sort of whatever, lmao.
Saionji-The First Person Ever to T-Pose to Assert Dominance
Just how many innuendos can they fit in seemingly mundane dialogue...
Wish I could do this irl
Sanoji T-posing to show dominance XD
Honestly i don't think i would've laughed to hard at the Japanese
The intonation is just so hilarious 😂
Actually they have way more intonation in the Japanese, too? X;D
Honestly the car shit always makes me laugh my ass off. This one especially
I feel like the English dub might actually be the right way to experience this anime
i haven't ever tried to watch the dub in its entirety bc i love the original voice cast so much but i am now seriously considering doing my next rewatch in english.......
saionjis eng voice is so funny
DOMINANCE: ASSERTED.
11/10 scene
Ah the random shirts popping off i just love utena LMAOO
I need to watch this show again. A lot of the implications went over my head as a child.
I'm a bit concerned, how old were you when you first watched utena😟
You watched it as a CHILD!?
I watched it as an adult and a lot of the implications went over my head
@@turnabout.valerian I was 11. Yeah, in hindsight I shouldn't have been watching...
The throbbing of the WHAT!!!!!
Emmmm....
Engine 👍
Yes, it means exactly what you think it means.
Is this what guys do when us girls aren’t around ?
Yes
Lmao
Personally I see this scene as Touga being juxtaposed with Akio. Ultimately, he isn't like Akio who only uses people as tools because Touga genuinely respects Utena, and he even starts being a better friend/fuck buddy to Saionji as a result.
I remember watching this and saying thats dangerous at the same time touga said it 😂
He's just T Posing to show dominance
The acting might be shit but this voice for touga is perfect no notes
This is Touga tryna be Akio so bad but failing
Bro there is nothing straight about this.
We started from here and ended up with people entering huge monsters'assholes in Sarazanmai. I wonder what's next for Ikuhara.....
0:30 who else thought he was about to say its time to duel lmfao he sounds like yugioh
CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
This made me want to rewatch utena again but with the english dub So so unserious
Me sorprende ver gente que ame Utena hoy en día
The “YEAH, WHAT?” Always gets me 😂
Gonna go defy end of the world. But first? Topless photo shoot
The first T pose, AND he's GAY?!?!?
like a week ago i had a dream where touga and saionji were having a moonlit tea party with THE most homoerotic subtext of all time. anyways this scene might have inspired that
I call these scenes the metaphorical corvertables of fucking destiny for obvious reasons
This is priceless omigosh
I have been blessed. Thank you too much
I love this weird, often nonsensical anime.
Saionji telling Touga he isn't a bottom.
HAHAHAHHA IT WAS SO FUNNY
Yes
Nanami would be jealous of him
This scene and Nanami's egg are the only saving graces of this arc.
This is Gayer than anything else in the show. And this is the hallowed yuri ground.
T pose moment.
危ないーっ‼️
Episode ?
36
What the fuck are they talking about
as someone who just finished the entire show in sub its hilarious how bad this acting is holy hell lmao
I only watch subs cuz the dialogue just sounds so cringy in English but yeah the anime was super low budget so the English version was very sloppily done. I would be laughing half the time if I had watched the Utena dub 😂
Leave Crispin freeman Touga alone!
@@Will0wisp_Yeah, most dubs are shit. There are a fey exceptions, Black Lagoon is better dubbed imo.
And these are the 2 best voices the others are even worse 😭
Why is everyone talking about symbolism and gay shit
i only see a man asserting dominance.
I don't see what everyone else seems to see in the show, i prefer to have straight up to the point explanations
Kunihiko Ikuhara, who directed Revolutionary Girl Utena, is known for his symbolism in anime. He usually won’t say exactly what he wants. He tells stories through color symbolism, metaphors, rose symbolism, animal symbolism, music, sexuality, gender identity, etc. Ikuhara has created his own avant garde style of anime through his less “head on” approach. It leaves the viewer wondering what is happening and what everything means. You see a man asserting dominance because of the symbolic way Ikuhara shows it in this scene. Touga has bright red hair which symbolizes power and he’s driving the main motorcycle. Touga says, “You don’t like it because I’m driving, right?” And Saionji says, “I don’t like not being in control.” Touga’s words, his red hair, and his red motorcycle all symbolize his desire for power and control over men and women alike through sex. The motorcycles and cars seen in Utena largely represent the characters using sex as a way to control people and making them into the person they want them to be. Ikuhara doesn’t want to show characters having sex, he wants to create otherworldly scenarios that give off the feeling of an unfair power dynamic. Honestly, Touga in this scene has learned all of these behaviors from Akio. He drives a bright red car where he takes advantage of his students and brainwashes men into thinking that they have all the power. There’s a scene where Akio takes photographs of Touga and Saionji shirtless and he passes on his manipulative way of thinking onto both of them. Akio also wears red many times throughout the anime and movie. He doesn’t view sex as a deeply intimate act of shared love and compassion. Akio views sex as the key to controlling someone. Just like you need keys to start a car, Akio believes that you need the key to people’s minds in order to control their mind and body. A car is nothing without the key to start it. In the movie Akio says to Anthy, “A car without its key begins to rust.” If Akio doesn’t have the key, his power and control seizes to have any effect on the victim. Once the victim knows the manipulation tactics, the manipulator has no power. Which begs the question, did Akio even have power in the first place? Or did he just create an elaborate world where he’s in charge of everything and everyone because he’s truly weak?
@@Boogiepophantom I see. Thanks for the explanation, it makes sense now.
This is so gay... Why aren't they canon?
Because Sayonji is straight. There’s actually layers to this. Touga is being manipulated by a man who groomed him, and now he’s perpetuating the cycle by being with his friend this way. Gay people are awesome, but there’s a lot of nuance to this. :)
@@adzukibean2190 Saionji is gay
Goddamn the dub is fucking horrendous 💀
Wow this is gayer than the Japanese