@Afineaddition it.really is escapism at its finest. I grew up in Virginia, like 30 mins from Jamestown and Yorktown. So after all the field trips to the aforementioned places This movie was a treat when it came out.
Because these militia veterans of French and Indian war were Training these Americans how do you fight on the British during the American Revolutionary War
He had a good role in this movie. Didn't seem to want to fight but did it anyway for his family. And was prejudiced against a man he didn't know then gained immense respect for. Honestly I would enjoy watching a sequel with them all with no fighting, but rebuilding their friend's homes and towns like it shows at the end of the movie.
Though it’s horribly inaccurate I absolutely love this movie…. Kinda like “in an alternate universe where all the hero’s of the American revolution were rolled into one what would we get?” And the answer is this movie 😌
Alot of movies do that. Spielberg's Twister is a conglomeration of actual weather stories rolled into a single movie. It all happened, just not to one group.
Surprisingly....not HORRIBLY inaccurate. As far as Mel Gibson movies go this one was one of the more historically accurate and in general it goes out of its way to follow many customs and practices that tie it to the era. Of course, it’s dramatized and amended to fit a modern audience but still...not horribly inaccurate
I didn't realize it was a hard requirement for a movie made for entertainment be historically accurate. I don't think anyone who went into the Patriot was expecting a historical documentary on the Revolutionary War 😂
@@PhantaxPlays exactly. It’s a movie not a history lesson. I watch movies to be entertained for a little while. If it’s not exactly historically accurate, so what? If it entertains you then a film has done its primary job.
Love that you lot are as snarky as I am, Glory did this shenanigans too 3 shots a minute without showing how to do it. Best example I’ve seen so far is Sharpe where he shows the lads what steps to do, and what techniques to use to shave off the time to get it done quickly.
Their using rifled muskets and if not then French Charlevilles, I own a Charleville and Bess and the Char being smooth bore is still more accurate then the bess, even with military cartridges and loads, so it's attainable.
Not really… Despite his French name and partial French ancestry he was both American-born and raised in the US. Whereas Tchéky Karyo was French and raised in France.
I thought exactly the same thing. It's unlikely they would have formed a circle, but rather opted for a line of men all facing the same direction of fire.
No. If both of you watched the scene, they're firing upwards at an angle. The Redcoats on the ground can be shot at like they did by the militia in a staggered line. Besides being marksmen, rifle shots rarely ever penetrated all the way through anyways...
Best part of this movie is the beginning with the meeting of politicians and Gibson tells them soon this war will be fought in our fields in our streets our backyards and he proved to be right keep in mind I’m paraphrasing but it’s so true even today if we are never ready for war there’s no way we can attain peace
My dearest, I didn't misspeak. My brothers were fighting back then. Oleg was Antifa probably since the day he was born. Their Californian sis was working for Barack and Gavin, annoying the hell out of the FBI by talking to Paul Robeson, Jr at least once a week and doing " What Is In My Bag? " on RUclips.
There was a bit of Al talking to the "Chief's" head in the box, just before the big bike ride, that implied Tom had been a ruthless Indian fighter. Hidden depths?
The scene in the tavern moreso shows how veterans truly are... The people of America like to think of our servicemembers as honorable people. Like boy scouts. While serving in the armed forces is honorable, and while the armed forces teach you honor, the men who serve, especially in combat roles, are rough people. Imperfect and taught to kill. They often develop hatred of their enemy, especially once they've seen what the enemy has done to their fellow servicemen. I understand both sides to this. You want to be above the atrocities of the enemy, but you also feel like they deserve it. While I was serving I got a chance to train with the Brits more than once. I had a conversation about history with one of their sergeants major. He spoke about how frustrating it was for the redcoats to fight the men depicted in this scene. How the colonials didn't always fight fair, used camouflage, and were menacing. No hard feelings in his end. He actually said that that taught the British army a lot. That our armies were very similar. That he respected us and I respected them. Veterans have been through a lot and seen the true nature of men. That we can be brutal beyond comprehension. There's a level of cold heartedness there. While veterans can be rough around the edges, our purpose was valid and actions during combat are justified (Usually). Those men were perfect for the role they played. You don't want a bunch of boy scouts in a war. You need good men who are willing to commit acts of violence for the right reasons to win...these men did just that...
Who says we think of them as boy scouts? Some of them do some dirty s*** but that does not mean the entire army does it. The average finding man and woman knows that if someone surrenders then they must give quarter and take care of them according to the Geneva convention
You know most of the war was fought in the south between colonists. It was a revolution with a civil war. Some colonist stayed loyal to the king, and others did not. Which led to fighting.
There was no "American Revolution." A revolution implies the overthrow and replacement of the government. You may not have noticed, but the British government continued in power; it simply lost control of the 13 colonies. France had a revolution in 1789, Russia had a revolution in 1917, and China had a revolution in 1949, but the United States seceded from the United Kingdom in 1776.
That is something I did not know.. I always wondered how war was back then... the way we see all the war footage from the ukraine russia war going on we forget how close combat war used to be.. I wish we could time travel and strap a go pro on a American rebel and see all the crazy shit we would see
@@alienatedbean12 I've always heard that the most sadistic actions were those taken between former neighbors, rather than between Colonists and Redcoats. For instance, a Loyalist would be far more likely to actually HATE a Rebel than a Redcoat...or worse, one of the various Indian tribes who participated in the war...the worst atrocities took place between these groups....
One man revolution is another man civil war. I believed most southern colonists remain loyal to the crown. People tend to forgot that Florida and the gulf coast were part of the British colonies at the time and remain loyal. Many fled to Florida to get away from the fighting.
This is a great movie. A friend who studied wars told me that one of the reasons we won the American Revolution was that the British were better sailors then soldiers.
Their navy helped secure their global dominance for sure but their army was still a professional and capable force. There were plenty of times during the revolution and the war of 1812 that their regulars mopped the floor on the Americans, but they ultimately lost due to key military blunders and a lack of willingness at home to keep fighting an ocean away.
Guerrilla warfare… very nasty business. This whole war was absolutely tragic. Only one i think was worse was the Civil War. But that’s my opinion. I absolutely respect all military and of course especially our troops today.
Shit take from a bloodthirsty drunken fool Redcoats were often conscripts from the poor and downtrodden Mel Gibson has a hard on for killing brits in his films
Dumb line. This film is full of slanted propagandistic inaccuracies, and this is a case and point of one of them. Why? Because this isolated line - as one of several examples from throughout the film - acts as if there was never any sense of unionship or togetherness between American colonists and Britons - almost as if they weren't even from or of the same stock (which by far and large, they were). Don't forget the French and Indian War, for example, which this scene makes mention of, and which the film makes selective and revisionistic mentions of as it pleases.
I’m pretty sure this is my favorite movie. And Gibson my Favorite actor. Along with that cheeky fellow who made a great Joke at the end. I’ve always enjoyed his acting personality
Well, the problem is that you've convinced yourself that you and your family are safe, that " they " would never come back. But " they " do- seemingly out of nowhere- and by the time you realize what's happening your family is at the SF Columbarium and you've got no one left to defend. And then it's pure revenge.
People don't understand that you have to guard and feed prisoners. This is a huge strain on their captors, especially a militia that is always moving. Also, how do you prevent the prisoners from learning things about you that they can report in the event they ever are exchanged?
Fun fact: In the year 2000, Rene Auberjenois appeared in two movies opposite an actor who played a Batman character. The Patriot, alongside Heath Ledger (Gabriel; who'd go on to play the Joker in The Dark Knight) and Tom Wilkinson (Cornwallace; who'd later appear in Batman Begins as Carmine Falcone) and Joseph King of Dreams (voicing the cup bearer) alongside Ben Affleck (voice of Joseph) who'd go on to play Batman. Joseph King of Dreams also featured Mark Hamill as Judah, Joseph's brother, who also voiced the Joker in several animated Batman projects. Also, another fun fact: Mel Gibson (Benjamin Martin) was considered for the Joker in the 1989 Batman movie.
Odds are of the plantation wasn’t in his family but rather something he built its most likely he didn’t have slaves. Slaves were extremely expensive and usually passed down by generations, that’s why by far most southerners didn’t own slaves
Oh it is fanciful since he is vaguely Francis Marion, but it was possible. The tenant farmer (aka sharecropper) system was in use before, during and after transatlantic slavery. Leasing the labor to work land they must pay for in crops is still really the basis of most estates worldwide until the mid 20th century.
He did have slaves. Remember they were seized by the British when the British burned down his home. I at least assume they were supposed to be slaves despite what appeared in the movie to be friendliness and affection between Mel Gibson and his family and the blacks on the plantation.
@@seanoreiley48 you're going by appearance and your own assumption from appearance....black people working a farm are slaves, right? However in the script the worker insists they are not slaves. Therefore, on a large estate they are tenant farmers or estate workers as they would be after 1865 by new law. For instance there were NO SLAVES in Song of the South because that was set in the 1870s. Those were all tenant farmers or paid workers, because Uncle Remus left at the end. Slaves can't just leave to fond waves and song. Though rare in the Carolinas in the 1770s, there were estates that did work without chattel slavery...and they were worked by black and white labor just as farms are today. The setup though in the script is to do white hat black hat difference between the protagonist and antagonist. They were content workers but Tavington sized them and "freed them" into chains to labor for the British Army. Gen Cornwallis did confiscate black people and put them to hard labor that he believed they were best suited to. They dug the defenses at Yorktown. When supplies ran low, Cornwallis had them turned out into no man's land during the siege, according to an officer's diary.
"I'd say we drink the wine, eat the dogs, and use the papers for musket wadding" Whoah, John, we get it, you're up against some brutal redcoats, but there are certain lines we don't cross no matter what.
Gabriel: These men were about to surrender!!! Benjamin: Son have you forgotten what the Redcoats did? They executed wounded Continental soldiers infront of us before they burned our home!!! Gabriel: Touchè.....
Yeah- he's deeply in love for the first time in his life. Anne was his everything. That's why he did that idiotic thing with Tavington that got him killed. Revenge is a dish better served cold.
To be fair, if you try surrender in the middle of a battle, you'll almost definitely be killed. There's so much fear and adrenaline, once you start fighting, you it's very difficult to instantly stop.
Ive always loved how the very first thing they show in the next scene are the dogs alive and well and happy, to relieve people who thought they were seriously going to eat them. Lol
@@thefatking3154 I didn't say I cared either way, I just said you can tell by the sudden cut to the dogs being ok that this is what they were most likely going for.
Mel Gibson is actually American-born and was never an Australian citizen, though he acquired permanent residency when his family moved there in the late 1960s.
For anyone who hasn't ever fired an Original Brown Bess Musket....... the concept of accuracy at anything over 20-25yards is utterly laughable. The Patriot was about as battle accurate as "Fury"
My misguided American ancestors sided with the bad guys and were rightly kicked out at the end of the Revolutionary War. We've been freezing in Canada since then. God bless America.
British burning down a building with people in it: 😱 Rebels murdering surrendering soldiers: 🥱 Boston massacre: Oh my god so many innocent people died! Oradour Sur Glane: 😴 British letting slaves enlist: OMG they're taking away those slaves! Rebels: first they're gonna free 'em then they're gonna pay 'em. This film is terrible
0:32 This is probably the worst ambush scene for the simple fact that this is a highly dangerous ambush even for this period. The crossfine is insane and while rifles are accurate they are still basic and muskets have 0 accuracy so it makes the possibility of friendly fire high.
This movie has some of the most gorgeous imagery and cinematography.
If you really want your breath taken away watch 'The Last of the Mohicans'.
And music! I found myself just spacing out listening to the orchestra woth the last vid
I don't care about the historical inaccuracies. This is one of the best made and cast movies of all time
@Afineaddition it.really is escapism at its finest. I grew up in Virginia, like 30 mins from Jamestown and Yorktown. So after all the field trips to the aforementioned places
This movie was a treat when it came out.
That's my home.
"Perhaps, we will never know." Best line of the movie.
I love that one hahaha
100% agree..love that Tchéky Karyo, great actor.
After the guy was yelling “ we surrender!”
i dunno . . .
" yeah . . . dog is a fine meal " is pretty good too .
"Please, for the love of God, we sur-"
his laugh at the end is so lovely, he was tickled
he meant the redcoat dogs
Anyone else catch the look of shame that flashed over Benjamin's face right after Gabriel yelled that they were surrendering?
Am I the only person who's extremely bothered by the fact that the minute Ben became " human " " they " butchered two of his sons?
@@tatianalyulkin410huh?
@@MikeySkywalkerWhat is there to explain? At Fort Wilderness Ben was an efficient killing machine.
People forget these militia were veterans of the French & Indian War, nasty business.
Nasty Business makes Nasty Men and Nasty Men can't improve things when all is said and done.
@@EmptyMan000hard times make hard men, hard men make easy times, easy times make soft men, soft men make hard times.
A mix of those vets n farmers. The vets were in favor of killing the surrendering redcoats n the farmers/church people wanted to show mercy
1:51 funny that the British soldier is saying they surrender but if it was the other way around he’d have shot him
Because these militia veterans of French and Indian war were Training these Americans how do you fight on the British during the American Revolutionary War
“Eat the dogs???…good heavens”😂😂😂 gets me every time
Yes dog is a fine meal 😂. Unless you are a Chinese or Korean person.
@@patrickworkman1014man gets hungry enough, he’d eat shoe leather lol
Me too lmfao. God this movie is a masterpiece.
Cat tastes much better. The meat is much more succulent.
@@zerocool7772 I prefer bald eagle.
2:10 love it when Dan Scott just walks away, whilst they start arguing.
He had a good role in this movie. Didn't seem to want to fight but did it anyway for his family. And was prejudiced against a man he didn't know then gained immense respect for. Honestly I would enjoy watching a sequel with them all with no fighting, but rebuilding their friend's homes and towns like it shows at the end of the movie.
A despicable character who grows into a good man by the end of this great film.
"I say we drink the papers, eat the wine, and use the dogs for musket wadding."
"Eat the Dogs?"
And ride off on the women
@@scottl9660 Don't forget r@ping the horses
Dogs don't make good musket wadding; they're too ruff.
wine is a fine meal
“Well then they should’ve done it sooner.” Would’ve been an amazing line
The inaccuracy of George Washington not mowing them down in a Dodge Hellcat is so disgusting. The ignorance of the average American DISGUSTS me.
Amen! All HEIL ✋🏻 Trump !
Are you an average American?
America the Movie will satisfy you
Better than what movies are like nowadays
How dare you insult me. I'm below average, thank you very much.
3:30
Didn't know Odo wanted to run simulations of the American Revolution.
Now you know what Odo did in his spare time! 🙂
o'brien and bashir rubbed off on him.
Though it’s horribly inaccurate I absolutely love this movie…. Kinda like “in an alternate universe where all the hero’s of the American revolution were rolled into one what would we get?” And the answer is this movie 😌
Alot of movies do that. Spielberg's Twister is a conglomeration of actual weather stories rolled into a single movie. It all happened, just not to one group.
Surprisingly....not HORRIBLY inaccurate. As far as Mel Gibson movies go this one was one of the more historically accurate and in general it goes out of its way to follow many customs and practices that tie it to the era.
Of course, it’s dramatized and amended to fit a modern audience but still...not horribly inaccurate
I didn't realize it was a hard requirement for a movie made for entertainment be historically accurate. I don't think anyone who went into the Patriot was expecting a historical documentary on the Revolutionary War 😂
Aka historical fiction. I enjoy it too.
@@PhantaxPlays exactly. It’s a movie not a history lesson. I watch movies to be entertained for a little while. If it’s not exactly historically accurate, so what? If it entertains you then a film has done its primary job.
The vicar who went "Good heavens" voiced Robert House in Fallout New Vegas, and he was personally related to Napoleon Bonaparte.
Fun fact.
@@modernsophist Odo in Star Trek DS9
@@Hotarg voiced/ played Janos Audron in Legacy of Kain/ Soul Reaver as well.
Wow I love that game
French guy: “I want accuracy and precision.”
Blue coat: “Shit! Thanks for the clarification, general. I thought you wanted the exact opposite.”
"I thought you wanted a Stormtrooper precision"
Thanks a Lot Captain Obvious
Should we aim for the surrounding foliage over the enemy instead
Love that you lot are as snarky as I am, Glory did this shenanigans too 3 shots a minute without showing how to do it.
Best example I’ve seen so far is Sharpe where he shows the lads what steps to do, and what techniques to use to shave off the time to get it done quickly.
@@beemartin.
Considering how notorious muskets were concerning accuracy, that might not be such a bad idea... 😅
I mean, the prevailing attitude at the time was around volume.
"Percision and Accuracy."
Man is really asking for a lot during this time period.
Their using rifled muskets and if not then French Charlevilles, I own a Charleville and Bess and the Char being smooth bore is still more accurate then the bess, even with military cartridges and loads, so it's attainable.
@@alexcarter2461 attainable but not mass produced. Doubt these guys could attain rifled muskets though.
@@ZOMBII11 They can with proper patches and tight fitting balls.
@@alexcarter2461 Yes, I will be that guy.
*They're
@@ForTheOmnissiah that's acceptable. People shouldn't be confusing their, there, and they're.
Shoot, I never realized Rene Auberjenois was in this as the Reverend. Ironic they didn't have him play the French character
Not really… Despite his French name and partial French ancestry he was both American-born and raised in the US. Whereas Tchéky Karyo was French and raised in France.
He can change into a frenchman as easily as he can a klingon
@@hansolo631 i mean he IS a changeling.
@@Jimusmc I guess that's what happens when you get a face-full of Iris eh?
@@LouisOlenickTrombonehe’s from turkey originally
"Perhaps we should eat the dogs".
The sole Chinese in the team: "I've come to America for this".
And he even brought his recipe book: "50 Ways To Wok Your Dog"
Land of da free dog meat! ROR!
Fantastic scene but the risk of friendly fire in the cotton field is basically guaranteed.
I thought exactly the same thing. It's unlikely they would have formed a circle, but rather opted for a line of men all facing the same direction of fire.
No. If both of you watched the scene, they're firing upwards at an angle. The Redcoats on the ground can be shot at like they did by the militia in a staggered line. Besides being marksmen, rifle shots rarely ever penetrated all the way through anyways...
Aim small, miss small
And not a misfire from flintlocks in pouring rain.
NEVER underestimate a small but capable strike force
I'll take them, over legions of idiots that think numbers dictate the outcome of a war. I agree.
Those who dare, win
A perfect example of small scale guerrilla warfare
The Taliban agree.
@@Onegoodman68 Don't forget the might of the French army and their Navy.
My mom loved ol boys laugh. Always brought a laugh out of her. RiP
Man: WE SURRENDER! WE SURRENDER!
Benjamin's Son: They were about to surrender!
Best part of this movie is the beginning with the meeting of politicians and Gibson tells them soon this war will be fought in our fields in our streets our backyards and he proved to be right keep in mind I’m paraphrasing but it’s so true even today if we are never ready for war there’s no way we can attain peace
What peace? We've been fighting since the 2014 Ukrainian coup.
@@tatianalyulkin410 2008
@tatianalyulkin410 War is comong to American soil and nobody has a goddamn clue what gender they are
My dearest, I didn't misspeak. My brothers were fighting back then. Oleg was Antifa probably since the day he was born. Their Californian sis was working for Barack and Gavin, annoying the hell out of the FBI by talking to Paul Robeson, Jr at least once a week and doing " What Is In My Bag? " on RUclips.
Do you get a nagging feeling that this is more than just a simple coincidence? 🤣
" IF you want peace , Prepare for war!"
Si Vic Pacum Parabellum
@@MrSpudz2 Si vis pacem, para bellum ***
Rémi Lenoir, thank you… my Latin is a bit rusty
If you want to be shown mercy by your enemy, you have to give it. Jesus Christ would approve
@@LukeLovesRose if he were still alive maybe, hes been dead for at LEAST 2 eons
2:40 Now that's leadership.
Ah, the magic of having Tom Nuttall from “Deadwood” being a ruthless veteran in the Revolutionary War…
There was a bit of Al talking to the "Chief's" head in the box, just before the big bike ride, that implied Tom had been a ruthless Indian fighter. Hidden depths?
20+ years later, "Dog is a fine meal" somehow still makes it into our family conversations. :)
The scene in the tavern moreso shows how veterans truly are...
The people of America like to think of our servicemembers as honorable people. Like boy scouts. While serving in the armed forces is honorable, and while the armed forces teach you honor, the men who serve, especially in combat roles, are rough people. Imperfect and taught to kill. They often develop hatred of their enemy, especially once they've seen what the enemy has done to their fellow servicemen. I understand both sides to this. You want to be above the atrocities of the enemy, but you also feel like they deserve it.
While I was serving I got a chance to train with the Brits more than once. I had a conversation about history with one of their sergeants major. He spoke about how frustrating it was for the redcoats to fight the men depicted in this scene. How the colonials didn't always fight fair, used camouflage, and were menacing. No hard feelings in his end. He actually said that that taught the British army a lot. That our armies were very similar. That he respected us and I respected them.
Veterans have been through a lot and seen the true nature of men. That we can be brutal beyond comprehension. There's a level of cold heartedness there. While veterans can be rough around the edges, our purpose was valid and actions during combat are justified (Usually).
Those men were perfect for the role they played. You don't want a bunch of boy scouts in a war. You need good men who are willing to commit acts of violence for the right reasons to win...these men did just that...
Who says we think of them as boy scouts? Some of them do some dirty s*** but that does not mean the entire army does it. The average finding man and woman knows that if someone surrenders then they must give quarter and take care of them according to the Geneva convention
You know most of the war was fought in the south between colonists. It was a revolution with a civil war. Some colonist stayed loyal to the king, and others did not. Which led to fighting.
There was no "American Revolution." A revolution implies the overthrow and replacement of the government. You may not have noticed, but the British government continued in power; it simply lost control of the 13 colonies. France had a revolution in 1789, Russia had a revolution in 1917, and China had a revolution in 1949, but the United States seceded from the United Kingdom in 1776.
That is something I did not know.. I always wondered how war was back then... the way we see all the war footage from the ukraine russia war going on we forget how close combat war used to be.. I wish we could time travel and strap a go pro on a American rebel and see all the crazy shit we would see
@@alienatedbean12 I've always heard that the most sadistic actions were those taken between former neighbors, rather than between Colonists and Redcoats. For instance, a Loyalist would be far more likely to actually HATE a Rebel than a Redcoat...or worse, one of the various Indian tribes who participated in the war...the worst atrocities took place between these groups....
One man revolution is another man civil war. I believed most southern colonists remain loyal to the crown. People tend to forgot that Florida and the gulf coast were part of the British colonies at the time and remain loyal. Many fled to Florida to get away from the fighting.
@@lestat1591 which then became Spanish again after that war
"Hell Reverend they're road coats, they've earned it."
NEVER forget the assistance given to to Continental Army and Militias by our French brothers and sisters.
(Man Yelled out loud)”Retreat!”(1:38)
You could almost hear Rene Auberjonois asking, "Is this 'The Bickersons'? I love them."
“These men were about to surrender!"
"Okay, maybe next time; now, what's for lunch?"
0:33. The crossfire set up at this instant is just insane. Direct crossfire is a mess. Converging fire is what you want.
This is a great movie. A friend who studied wars told me that one of the reasons we won the American Revolution was that the British were better sailors then soldiers.
Britain is a naval power.
I think the French had something to do with it.
Their navy helped secure their global dominance for sure but their army was still a professional and capable force. There were plenty of times during the revolution and the war of 1812 that their regulars mopped the floor on the Americans, but they ultimately lost due to key military blunders and a lack of willingness at home to keep fighting an ocean away.
A 'great movie'? This movie is full of historical disinformation, and is fervently anti-British.
Are you sure it is not because you outnumber them
John James Audubon said dog was good eating as well as all the other creatures he shot to paint. Yup, read his memoirs, history's.
What a sick mind.
Well said John Adam’s
3:34 when they tease the reverend about eating the dogs gets me every time hahaha
Even when they killed his younger brother he still wanted to show mercy to them.
Wasnt the same person they probably don’t even know them
I'm no military strategist, but that cross-fire looks awfully dangerous 00:33 😬
Back then they were not to worried about crossfire.
"Kill all they send, and they will send no more!"
NVA Commander
1:48 😆 "For the love of God" 💥🤯🧠
This was an amazing 🎥 🍿
No it absolutely wasn't
Guerrilla warfare… very nasty business. This whole war was absolutely tragic. Only one i think was worse was the Civil War. But that’s my opinion. I absolutely respect all military and of course especially our troops today.
Not really. The Brits brought it upon themselves. As was said in the clip “hell they’re redcoats, they deserve it.”
“Gorilla” 💀
Make sure those boots are good and clean 😂
"Gorilla warfare" Good way to discredit yourself with two words.
@@imnotyourfriendbuddy1883 💀 “guerilla”
Just one question: did the British know what scouts are used for?
They were out for high tea
No because their not the main characters, and non main characters are not supposed to be smart🙄
The scene where they encircle the wagon is pretty stupid though. You're firing in the direction of your men at all times lol
Ha yeah I don’t know anything about musket warfare but modern military we use L shape ambush for obvious reason.
@@ThePhukst1k exactly, and that's using modern weapons that reliably hit their target. muskets, even at these ranges, can be finicky.
Yeah that's why you want a V or L shape. Surrounding like that just means friendly fire.
Thats where the accuracy and precision comes in 😅 (yes im being sarcastic but not mean)
“when they’re red coats they’ve earned it”
Shit take from a bloodthirsty drunken fool
Redcoats were often conscripts from the poor and downtrodden
Mel Gibson has a hard on for killing brits in his films
Would that make him redcoatist?
They're Redcoats, they've earned it. 200+ years later, they still have.
Well, dunno what you lot did to earn biden, but, reckon it must've been pretty heinous...
@@PeteTheGrouch It's not much better on your side of the pond. The same enemy affects us both.
@@NoobTamer Fair point.
This movie is glorious.
“ Hell Reverend they’re redcoats they’ve earned it.” best line in the whole movie.
Dumb line. This film is full of slanted propagandistic inaccuracies, and this is a case and point of one of them. Why? Because this isolated line - as one of several examples from throughout the film - acts as if there was never any sense of unionship or togetherness between American colonists and Britons - almost as if they weren't even from or of the same stock (which by far and large, they were). Don't forget the French and Indian War, for example, which this scene makes mention of, and which the film makes selective and revisionistic mentions of as it pleases.
@@PercivalCalmost as if its a movie and not a historical documentary.
@@Dr.Ticklebum69 agree. It’s a movie for entertainment, not a history lesson
I’m sure the Vietnamese said something similar
@@JohnRider-d7u as did the Green Berets and navy SEALS
I’m pretty sure this is my favorite movie. And Gibson my Favorite actor. Along with that cheeky fellow who made a great Joke at the end. I’ve always enjoyed his acting personality
As a Chinese, I can testify that dogs is indeed a fine meal.
That's racist! Chinese don't have a monopoly on gourmet hound!
I think you mean Korean
@@djktsjytej Actually the Chinese have a monopoly on many things.
I find the Chow Chow Mein and the General Tso's Hound quite delicious.
@@michaelcorvin4330 chow chow mein lmao
This film had a great cast.
3:28 his face LOL.
After seeing that, I tried Holdfast Nations at War, but my fantasy was completely shattered by the crappy accuracy and high ping.
Look @0:20 how the woods just light up with muzzle flashes
What will a man not do to protect his home and family?
Well, the problem is that you've convinced yourself that you and your family are safe, that " they " would never come back. But " they " do- seemingly out of nowhere- and by the time you realize what's happening your family is at the SF Columbarium and you've got no one left to defend. And then it's pure revenge.
Vote Democrat
When Hell freezes over.
Also no tax on tea
Great movie! 👏🏻
As a South Carolinian, I approve this message.
I know it's just a movie, but the French guy was right!
People don't understand that you have to guard and feed prisoners. This is a huge strain on their captors, especially a militia that is always moving.
Also, how do you prevent the prisoners from learning things about you that they can report in the event they ever are exchanged?
Fun fact:
In the year 2000, Rene Auberjenois appeared in two movies opposite an actor who played a Batman character.
The Patriot, alongside Heath Ledger (Gabriel; who'd go on to play the Joker in The Dark Knight) and Tom Wilkinson (Cornwallace; who'd later appear in Batman Begins as Carmine Falcone) and Joseph King of Dreams (voicing the cup bearer) alongside Ben Affleck (voice of Joseph) who'd go on to play Batman. Joseph King of Dreams also featured Mark Hamill as Judah, Joseph's brother, who also voiced the Joker in several animated Batman projects. Also, another fun fact: Mel Gibson (Benjamin Martin) was considered for the Joker in the 1989 Batman movie.
I miss rene. He was a gem.
I love the historic accuracy of this film, a SC plantation owner who doesn't have slaves. Totally economically possible in those days?
Odds are of the plantation wasn’t in his family but rather something he built its most likely he didn’t have slaves. Slaves were extremely expensive and usually passed down by generations, that’s why by far most southerners didn’t own slaves
Oh it is fanciful since he is vaguely Francis Marion, but it was possible. The tenant farmer (aka sharecropper) system was in use before, during and after transatlantic slavery.
Leasing the labor to work land they must pay for in crops is still really the basis of most estates worldwide until the mid 20th century.
He did have slaves. Remember they were seized by the British when the British burned down his home. I at least assume they were supposed to be slaves despite what appeared in the movie to be friendliness and affection between Mel Gibson and his family and the blacks on the plantation.
@@seanoreiley48 The exact words were, "We ain't slaves, sir. We're freemen."
@@seanoreiley48 you're going by appearance and your own assumption from appearance....black people working a farm are slaves, right? However in the script the worker insists they are not slaves. Therefore, on a large estate they are tenant farmers or estate workers as they would be after 1865 by new law.
For instance there were NO SLAVES in Song of the South because that was set in the 1870s. Those were all tenant farmers or paid workers, because Uncle Remus left at the end. Slaves can't just leave to fond waves and song.
Though rare in the Carolinas in the 1770s, there were estates that did work without chattel slavery...and they were worked by black and white labor just as farms are today.
The setup though in the script is to do white hat black hat difference between the protagonist and antagonist. They were content workers but Tavington sized them and "freed them" into chains to labor for the British Army. Gen Cornwallis did confiscate black people and put them to hard labor that he believed they were best suited to. They dug the defenses at Yorktown. When supplies ran low, Cornwallis had them turned out into no man's land during the siege, according to an officer's diary.
I can confirm that Dog is indeed a fine meal
"I'd say we drink the wine, eat the dogs, and use the papers for musket wadding"
Whoah, John, we get it, you're up against some brutal redcoats, but there are certain lines we don't cross no matter what.
Honestly, I'd be fine with drinking the wine and using the papers for musket wadding. The dogs however, I'd leave alive.
The 17th century, ehh if there no meat yeah eat the dogs this ain't the 22nd century
I’m more of a cat guy
exactly, use the paper for wiping.
@@Edfiki86 My grandfather ate cat in WW2. He would not recommend. The meat tastes like mud, and they have tiny little bones in them.
Benjamin Martin: A dog makes a fine meal..
Me: I agree..
This is the spirit of America. Winner Takes All. Might Makes Right, baby. This is why US War Criminals are never Prosecuted! STRENGTH.
Gabriel: These men were about to surrender!!!
Benjamin: Son have you forgotten what the Redcoats did? They executed wounded Continental soldiers infront of us before they burned our home!!!
Gabriel: Touchè.....
Yes but you can not lower yourself to that standard
There was no Geneva Convention in the 18th century.
In any case, guerrillas are rarely in a position in any war to take prisoners.
If you throw perfectly good tea into a river, then you are pretty much asking to be warcrimed.
@@attiepollard7847 War is cruelty, the curler it is the sooner it will be over. General william t sherman.
Oh, and as a footnote- they killed your brother.
Is this the first time I’m noticing they gave Gabriel a different voice for his letter thoughts? Or is it Heath just a different tone ?
Yeah- he's deeply in love for the first time in his life. Anne was his everything. That's why he did that idiotic thing with Tavington that got him killed. Revenge is a dish better served cold.
Is anyone else thinking "This is the best way to handle red coats and red hats"
1:52
Gabriel: “These men were about to surrender”
Benjamin: “Oh my bad”
This is Heath Ledger's Best Movie about Gabriel's Life as a Revolutionary Soldier for the United States Army for his Father Martin...
I can confirm, dog is a fine meal.
To be fair, if you try surrender in the middle of a battle, you'll almost definitely be killed. There's so much fear and adrenaline, once you start fighting, you it's very difficult to instantly stop.
Ive always loved how the very first thing they show in the next scene are the dogs alive and well and happy, to relieve people who thought they were seriously going to eat them. Lol
Makes you wonder if they added that scene after screenings feared for the dogs
@@barnabusdoyle4930 That's what I'm thinking. Lol
Sheesh. We can see fictional depictions of our own kind dying savagely but are upset when we see a dog die for pretend? Sickening
@@thefatking3154 I didn't say I cared either way, I just said you can tell by the sudden cut to the dogs being ok that this is what they were most likely going for.
Rip heath dude was so talented
1:48 savage!😂
Having members of your ambush party standing on both sides of the road is kind of a stupid thing to do.
One of the most patriotic movie about the USA with 2 Australian Actors 😀
Mel Gibson is actually American-born and was never an Australian citizen, though he acquired permanent residency when his family moved there in the late 1960s.
@@graymansixeight4064 Yeah, he actually lived down the road from me at Catherine Hill Bay, my father knew him, as he surfed with him.
Leon Rippy is always fun to watch on screen...........
a great movie
“Eat the dogs?” 💀
Dog is a fine meal
@@kolynturnbow5792 It really is. 🤤😋
Good Heavens
British man of war gave no such quarter when he fired on a ship carrying my wife and daughters
For anyone who hasn't ever fired an Original Brown Bess Musket....... the concept of accuracy at anything over 20-25yards is utterly laughable. The Patriot was about as battle accurate as "Fury"
My misguided American ancestors sided with the bad guys and were rightly kicked out at the end of the Revolutionary War. We've been freezing in Canada since then. God bless America.
1776: it’s a cluster fuck.
2023: no change.
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The frenchman had a good point, they will never know if the British soldiers were actually going to surrender.
That level of lowness was actually demostrated by the Yanks, not the British!
that meat appears 3:05 is very convinient
Dude I listen to this in my car and the orchestra is amazing
1:50 That guy had a delayed reaction to being shot in the head 😂
British burning down a building with people in it: 😱
Rebels murdering surrendering soldiers: 🥱
Boston massacre: Oh my god so many innocent people died!
Oradour Sur Glane: 😴
British letting slaves enlist: OMG they're taking away those slaves!
Rebels: first they're gonna free 'em then they're gonna pay 'em.
This film is terrible
Creative Uplift:
0:32
This is probably the worst ambush scene for the simple fact that this is a highly dangerous ambush even for this period. The crossfine is insane and while rifles are accurate they are still basic and muskets have 0 accuracy so it makes the possibility of friendly fire high.
the casual littering in the garden from that Englishman tells youball you need to know
the french guy earlier said the british fired on a ship carrying his family and burned them alive. He wasnt taking no prisoners.
You guys go back to church. That's my favorite line for the seen
. The other one is dog is very fine meal, good heavens
This broke him so much that he suffered a mental breakdown and went on to terrorize Gotham.
Great War Scene
Our yesterday doesn't determine our towarow
I am conflicted. I love this movie but i also love sharp
I mean, they werent "about" to surrender. Dude literally said "we surrender".
I guess we'll never know.
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Well, you know how it is- especially these days. You hear only what " you " want to hear.