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I wanted to truly thank you for all the energy that you used to create all of your videos for us. You are one of the best on RUclips in regards to the occult studies and all your hard work does not go unnoticed. Once again thank you!
I cannot underestimate how often I always go back to my books when working my trade (tarot). Like any great craft, there is always new things or interesting things to soak in that Gray matter
Awesome video! I'm actually currently writing a paper on chaos magic in my anthropology class and re-reading a lot of my sources on chaos magic for it. It was partially because I was surprised there is some literature on it already (so I can mix primary sources and also anthropological perspectives to come up with an argument and dissection of my topic). I might use some academic videos on RUclips as well, I'll have to ask my professor about that (I think it'll be fine, but asking never hurt). I think the points are also very useful for occultists who like to talk about and debate books as well because subjectivity and openness are a good frame of mind to have when discussing the topics with other people, even if it's to explain a personal perspective and where it comes from (which I have done both online and in person; it's quite an enjoyable experience).
I will never have the capacity to be an academic, but I do greatly appreciate the fact that pro scholars and academics are more willing to put out this kind of knowledge on platforms like this. Makes learning a Hella lot easier for me since reading is more of a challenge for my attention span. Thank you
Try audio books, makes it wayyyy easier to ingest a book while doing other tasks and i while its not quite the same as reading with your eyes you are still taking in a whole book
Thank you for this! I’m writing my PhD on the vampire community and have been feeling a bit lost about how I’m framing my dissertation, so this is a big help. I found your channel while watching talks from your external supervisor, Prof. Hutton, because rhetorically he manages to make arguments that meet the standards of critical rigor, while also being open-ended about the truth claims of the folks he’s studying, whether now or in this past. I’m still not sure how to move forward, but I’ve got this feeling that I may have had it backward. That empiricism isn’t my worldview, so much as a valid set of methods for navigating a world that’s ultimately esoteric, so maybe that’s my frame of reference for the critical intervention I’m trying to make. So I think I’ll just keep watching your videos and see if I get a better sense of what I’m trying to manifest with this work and how it fits into the world as I see it. Thanks for reading a long message and for your channel. It’s helping me work through a critical block I’ve been experiencing for months.
Spoken like a sage proper. Albeit the trick is proper balance and consistency. As an old professor once told me "Last time I checked I am not the anti-Chrsit. I submit to you if your faith has withered perhaps your faith was never strong to begin with and the proper person to address that to is not sitting in this seat. As a tenured academic of this institute I am paid to make you think. That is my responsibility and nothing more." Honestly the WISEST ADVISE ever given to me in life. Then Hegel stepped in and everything was cherry pie afterwards! 😋
you are the best Angela: an academic, honest and also engaging aproach to a theme full of practitioners who dont know whay they're talking about and only interested in economic gain
great advice, infact, one of the classes i took in high-school was actually called "Critical Thinking", where we would read various texts and write an essay about it each week. it was a great class. you are totally right. -thank you. (since you are an academic, this was in the midwest usa, at a catholic seminary.) -and thank you for all the extra resources, awesome!
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Though not the original intention of this video, I find that this will be a good resource for me to send to the fundamentalist Christians in my life when trying to explain the neutral academic methods I try to use when analyzing their particular beliefs. I feel it’s important for them to know that I can have a deep love and respect for their religion while maintaining a critical viewpoint, which they too can hopefully adopt (or at least sympathize with) alongside their faith and practice.
J'aime beaucoup votre approche basée sur la critique des sources et la mise en contexte. Cette approche est utilisée par les historiens et les spécialistes de la critique littéraire. Elle permet de contextualiser et parfois de déconstruire certains syncrétismes que l'on voit partout. Mais pour l'étude de Jung, Blavatsky et Crowley, l'analyse critique devient complexe, car ces auteurs entremêment leur expérience personnelle, leur érudition et leur imagination (Blavatsky) dans leurs oeuvres. Il est difficille d'étudier les oeuvres de Blavatsky et de Crowley sans tenir compte des controverses qu'ils ont suscitées.
This is awesome advice, no matter what the topic of interest. Thank you to @Esoterica for pointing out your channel. Looking forward to exploring more.❤
Good evening Dr. I see your point. And raise you a mug in love and respect for the knowledge share with such Gothic beauty. Hope all is well with you & yours.
Solid advice. i would also recommend to students (and anyone) George Bataille's books ''Theory of Religion'' and ''Eroticism'' which mark out some useful ( and of course contestable!) distinctions between 'the religious' and 'the sacred'. Often by circuitous routes, Bataille influenced a very large number of academic thinkers and occult practioners. Nick Land's ''Fanged Noumenon'' is also well worth a look, though sometimes very dense and contentious... but he is very good on tracing the implications of ''the occult'' in a post-theological, materialist register - his essay ''Spirit and Teeth'' is excellent.
Yes please if you haven't already discussed this in this video how to go through the process of gaining a PhD in western esotericism. I really want to study magic academically and I want to go back to school for it but I'm kind of confused in which direction I should take starting with my associates, then bachelor's blah blah blah.
yes plz, same having a similar dilemma wanting to study esotericism in a medieval islamicate context, yet unsure if religion studies or medieval studies or arabic major in undergrad would be best. in the usa, it's kinda an unclear path to the phd path for this i feel.
Excellent video. I would only add that a good grounding in hermeneutics (Gadamer et al. NOT Derrida and his mob) and some knowledge of the treacherous task of translation will be very useful.
This has become an interesting journey for me. I am academically mided by nature. So following some pretty spectacular personal spiritual experiences the first thing I did was begin studying esoteric and spiritual philosophies, quantum mechanics, physics and neuro science in an effort to understand what I had percieved and how that could be made sense of in an academic and even scientific context. But I cannot emotionally separate myself from the subject. It's too personal and too real. I cannot take it for granted that it's simply discussion, discourse or debate. For me it will never be purely academic. And the more I study the topics, the more difficult it becomes to hear people discuss them without any personal experience as a frame of reference. Though most people with any frame of reference are liable to be biased and to believe that because they have experienced some truth they understand all truths. Or that theirs is the only truth. And for me that can never be the case. I could spend the rest of my life unpacking what I've experienced and still know it's only a small part...in fact this lesson was part of one my experiences. But neither can I disbelieve my experiences in order to be "objective" (if objectivity is even possible). If anyone has advice on how to study the topics academically while being swayed by experience I'd love to hear it. 📚
Thank you!! I need to decide how to finish my Undergrad! Dr. Sledges (study Biblical languages) ...route was my original plan.(but more like literagist pursuit) But I didnt. Cause Chicago is cold! LoL
Yes please, can you make a break down on how to go through masters to PHD study for Eroticism. And how to eggaged with ACADEMIC source and universities.and 4th point you made please. Thank you.
Would be able to give more examples of foundational texts? Also could you outline the basics elements of the various practices? Like altars and whatnot....
Hello Dr! I would love a video from you on how to study esotericismm as an academic - I’m an undergrad majoring in comparative religion with specific interest in esotericismm - would love your input ❤😊 thx!
My tip, leave Crowley well alone until you know all the basics, he threw misleading 'spanners' into his works, he had a trickster like nature. Dion Fortunes Mystical Kabbalah is excellent and very well written for beginners and the "tree of life" by Israel Regarde is also superb, far better than "Garden of Pomegranates" which is a rather disjointed work in comparison. The masters of Western Magic are Eliphas Levi and Agrippa, you grasp those and you wont need to read Crowley who just tweaked their works. A E Waite is very vebose and best left alone till you know the basics as well. Lastly Libre 777 is essential if you are a practicing mage.
I am a practitioner, but I often find myself questioning many things through my own research and practices. My question is. Is it counter productive to be both a practitioner and academic?
Logical fallacies and critical thinking... Yeah... But caring about sources is the antagonist of critical thinking. In the current school system you learn to evaluate sources, this is because they dislike critical thinking. As long as you follow the authority you have no need for critical thinking. Identify this logical fallacy in the video you just published. Still, thanks for your videos!
I wonder why is Sledge and you are taking about this? I hope it’s not my attempt to follow in your footsteps. I have a masters but not in esoteric studies. I try my best to talk about peer reviewed papers from arquelogia Mexicana which come from university and INAH scholars.
All well and good advice from an 'academic' point of view, but can a materialist scholar (eg the most erudite Prof Hutton who isn't open to the 'reality' of the occult as experienced by practitioners) really understand any of it? It's like the difference between the scientist who wants to understand the phenomena of fire with verifiable data and thermometers verses the man who is willing to plunge his hand into the flame. Which one of them 'understands' the fire the best?! Or like a person who sees a ghost, trying to explain the experience to a doctor who does not believe in such things!
Interesting question. I think both the scientist and the practitioner know fire in your analogy, they only understand it from different perspectives. They both experience the truth of fire just not the whole truth. Neither would be wrong in describing their version of the truth. None of us understand the whole truth, we only understand what we are uniquely equipped to. The doctor not believing in ghosts is a different matter entirely. In the analogy of fire you mentioned both individuals believe the fire exists. It would be very different if one of them were to argue that fire was a delusion.
@@sariahmarier42 Thanks for your reply. And yes, the ghost analogy is the problem with/for materialist scholars, studying a phenomenon which they have, a priori concluded, doesn't exist; other than in the deluded mind of the 'bonkers' practitioners...rather like an atheist, studying theology; which I suppose is very valid unless they also want to become a priest! To what extent can such things be 'understood' when one requires faith to properly connect with it? Perhaps (to conjure up a 4th analogy!) it's more like a doc, trying to treat a patient that happens to be a hypochondriac! Maybe they are sick, may be not, or maybe they are just being paranoid again!!!
@@jontyslade101 Wow there's some stuff to unpack there... *But first, Nice to digitally meet you. K... I don't think many scholars believe in ghosts etc because they lack firsthand experience of them. This makes them more prone to being neutral in some respects, but potentially biased in others. Like automatic disbelief and automatic disbelief is also a form of bias. Also not the same as healthy scepticism. Because they think they know. Perhaps it's easier for academics to be objective because they remain in many ways detached from the subject and tend to be swayed by intellectual facts instead of personal experience. Facts tend to require verification. There is not method for verification as yet realized which can prove or disprove the individual experience. (But there will be one day, like the microscope proved germs.) I like your analogy. Lett's say a doctor doesn't need to have experienced every injury he or illness he treats in order to treat it, nor does he need to have had any injuries at all ever in order to study medicine. So Academics need not be practitioners to study the esoteric or to be a guides along the path for those who may learn from them. (We're glad doctors gave microscopes... One day well be glad philosophers have physics) On the other side though... You can believe me, that it's really hard to find a person or practitioner with real firsthand experience who is neutral in the academic study of philosophy, magic, occult etc. These individuals tend to be extremely biased in a few different ways... first they must admit they had an experience and this alone sways them as much as an academics scepticism. Based on their experiences they'll either take it for granted it's true and go from there or try to prove what they experience is real and go from there. Most won't take the time to try to disprove their own experience for knowledge sake to investigate the phenomenon objectively. And also once they've decided they've had this experience they're convinced that there experience is the truth of reality and therefore everything else is a lie rather than being open minded to the diversity of experience itself. (Which is weird, you'd think it'd be the other way round, but it's not...) Truth be told, I find it a little disheartening to hear so much from academics who obviously don't believe whether they practice at all, you can tell hey haven't had personal experience with revelation, the nature of the universe, totality, individuation, reincarnation, spirits, etc. And so in seeking truly open-minded and neutral study is extraordinarily rare. *If you made it this far thanks for putting in the time. 😉
I enjoy your videos but I also enjoy picking apart your logic. This is quite a persuasive argument for the ethos of academia and yourself. I treat you personally on an equal footing with the rest of the intelligent members of our race. You sure picked a difficult subject to make your life's work but so did all the true practitioners of esoteric arts didn't they? The main difference being the acceptance of certain information. As you say, a practitioner is more invested in their traditions and so is more willing to accept the logical assumptions and probably a few illogical assumptions to support their practice while an academic does not. A leap of faith doesn't necessitate it being unreliable or inadequate, merely unproven which breaks tenets of modern scientific research. Modern scientific research also happens to break the tenets of divine revelation and personal spiritual inquiry.. inherently. It also, as you mention, relies heavily on the ethos of academics of the past as well as that of literary sources which are its main source of knowledge. Higher level spiritual practitioners know fully well the inadequacies of the literary tradition as well as, honestly, the base consciousness of most humans. They are not reliable. A deep knowledge of philosophy and its methods is required to even understand advanced literature and teachings from advanced spiritual masters which requires no small amount of adepthood in logic and reason. Those masters words must also be judged with great scrutiny because all humans are subject to various inadequacies (because of our human nature) when it comes to speaking of eternal truths although we are quite capable of it. I don't think the academic approach when the scientific method is applied is actually accurate enough to support eternal truths, it's not even really designed for that.. it's designed to support scientific experimentation or research, as of the novum organum. Your argument itself is ultimately grounded in trusting the ethos of experts, much like the theologians of the past and present ultimately taking solace in the prophets, which is actually against the scientific method but it's not your invention of course. Academia has been doing this for a while now and it doesnt necessitate the truth whether they claim it's critically analyzed or peer reviewed or not which really isn't the truth either because we are still relying upon a certain philosophy or feeling, or wide enough acceptance to guide us to the truth. It's really just human opinions and philosophies being paraded around as the truth. Our human logic function is quite clearly inadequate (at least to me and my philosophies namely grounded in ancient greece and wherever they got it from, for the curious) to discover the highest realms of truth.. without modification, which is what mysticism and esotericism tries to supply to its practitioners and doesn't necessarily claim to grant it, merely attempts to grant true wisdom and personal evolution for the sake of more adequately discerning truth, upon it's most enduring subjects.
This is terrible! Thinking??? I would recommend never doing that! "Thinking" is a big mistake. NOW, when are you going to teach us how to summon demons, so I can rule the world. 😜🤣😅
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Glad you enjoyed it, friend! 😊
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Absolutely wonderful. How spoiled new people to occultism are today because of channels like this! Rock on.
I wanted to truly thank you for all the energy that you used to create all of your videos for us. You are one of the best on RUclips in regards to the occult studies and all your hard work does not go unnoticed. Once again thank you!
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Love your shirt with the sun and moon symbols! Great content as always!
thank you, Travis!
I cannot underestimate how often I always go back to my books when working my trade (tarot). Like any great craft, there is always new things or interesting things to soak in that Gray matter
Awesome video! I'm actually currently writing a paper on chaos magic in my anthropology class and re-reading a lot of my sources on chaos magic for it. It was partially because I was surprised there is some literature on it already (so I can mix primary sources and also anthropological perspectives to come up with an argument and dissection of my topic). I might use some academic videos on RUclips as well, I'll have to ask my professor about that (I think it'll be fine, but asking never hurt).
I think the points are also very useful for occultists who like to talk about and debate books as well because subjectivity and openness are a good frame of mind to have when discussing the topics with other people, even if it's to explain a personal perspective and where it comes from (which I have done both online and in person; it's quite an enjoyable experience).
That's fantastic! Best of luck with your paper
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I will never have the capacity to be an academic, but I do greatly appreciate the fact that pro scholars and academics are more willing to put out this kind of knowledge on platforms like this. Makes learning a Hella lot easier for me since reading is more of a challenge for my attention span. Thank you
Try audio books, makes it wayyyy easier to ingest a book while doing other tasks and i while its not quite the same as reading with your eyes you are still taking in a whole book
Thank you for this! I’m writing my PhD on the vampire community and have been feeling a bit lost about how I’m framing my dissertation, so this is a big help.
I found your channel while watching talks from your external supervisor, Prof. Hutton, because rhetorically he manages to make arguments that meet the standards of critical rigor, while also being open-ended about the truth claims of the folks he’s studying, whether now or in this past. I’m still not sure how to move forward, but I’ve got this feeling that I may have had it backward. That empiricism isn’t my worldview, so much as a valid set of methods for navigating a world that’s ultimately esoteric, so maybe that’s my frame of reference for the critical intervention I’m trying to make. So I think I’ll just keep watching your videos and see if I get a better sense of what I’m trying to manifest with this work and how it fits into the world as I see it.
Thanks for reading a long message and for your channel. It’s helping me work through a critical block I’ve been experiencing for months.
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Spoken like a sage proper. Albeit the trick is proper balance and consistency. As an old professor once told me "Last time I checked I am not the anti-Chrsit. I submit to you if your faith has withered perhaps your faith was never strong to begin with and the proper person to address that to is not sitting in this seat. As a tenured academic of this institute I am paid to make you think. That is my responsibility and nothing more." Honestly the WISEST ADVISE ever given to me in life. Then Hegel stepped in and everything was cherry pie afterwards! 😋
you are the best Angela: an academic, honest and also engaging aproach to a theme full of practitioners who dont know whay they're talking about and only interested in economic gain
Aw thank you
I envy your ability to be neutral and aware!
great advice, infact, one of the classes i took in high-school was actually called "Critical Thinking", where we would read various texts and write an essay about it each week. it was a great class. you are totally right. -thank you. (since you are an academic, this was in the midwest usa, at a catholic seminary.) -and thank you for all the extra resources, awesome!
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Though not the original intention of this video, I find that this will be a good resource for me to send to the fundamentalist Christians in my life when trying to explain the neutral academic methods I try to use when analyzing their particular beliefs. I feel it’s important for them to know that I can have a deep love and respect for their religion while maintaining a critical viewpoint, which they too can hopefully adopt (or at least sympathize with) alongside their faith and practice.
Critical thinking is a useful tool for everyone
Thank you for this Angela detailed and informative as always.
You are so welcome!
J'aime beaucoup votre approche basée sur la critique des sources et la mise en contexte. Cette approche est utilisée par les historiens et les spécialistes de la critique littéraire. Elle permet de contextualiser et parfois de déconstruire certains syncrétismes que l'on voit partout. Mais pour l'étude de Jung, Blavatsky et Crowley, l'analyse critique devient complexe, car ces auteurs entremêment leur expérience personnelle, leur érudition et leur imagination (Blavatsky) dans leurs oeuvres. Il est difficille d'étudier les oeuvres de Blavatsky et de Crowley sans tenir compte des controverses qu'ils ont suscitées.
Wonderful, and inspiring advice. I always appreciate tips for studying this topic. It’s called esotericism for a reason lol
Thank you
This is awesome advice, no matter what the topic of interest. Thank you to @Esoterica for pointing out your channel. Looking forward to exploring more.❤
Omg I needed this!!! 😢 Thank you!!
I'm so glad!
Super helpful, thank you so much for your work i truly appreciate it
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Good evening Dr. I see your point. And raise you a mug in love and respect for the knowledge share with such Gothic beauty. Hope all is well with you & yours.
4D approach
1.Diversity
2.Discrimination
3.Depth
4.Demonstration
Nice
I never even thought about peer reviewing esoteric traditions
Solid advice. i would also recommend to students (and anyone) George Bataille's books ''Theory of Religion'' and ''Eroticism'' which mark out some useful ( and of course contestable!) distinctions between 'the religious' and 'the sacred'. Often by circuitous routes, Bataille influenced a very large number of academic thinkers and occult practioners. Nick Land's ''Fanged Noumenon'' is also well worth a look, though sometimes very dense and contentious... but he is very good on tracing the implications of ''the occult'' in a post-theological, materialist register - his essay ''Spirit and Teeth'' is excellent.
Yes please if you haven't already discussed this in this video how to go through the process of gaining a PhD in western esotericism. I really want to study magic academically and I want to go back to school for it but I'm kind of confused in which direction I should take starting with my associates, then bachelor's blah blah blah.
yes plz, same having a similar dilemma wanting to study esotericism in a medieval islamicate context, yet unsure if religion studies or medieval studies or arabic major in undergrad would be best. in the usa, it's kinda an unclear path to the phd path for this i feel.
Excellent video. I would only add that a good grounding in hermeneutics (Gadamer et al. NOT Derrida and his mob) and some knowledge of the treacherous task of translation will be very useful.
This has become an interesting journey for me. I am academically mided by nature. So following some pretty spectacular personal spiritual experiences the first thing I did was begin studying esoteric and spiritual philosophies, quantum mechanics, physics and neuro science in an effort to understand what I had percieved and how that could be made sense of in an academic and even scientific context. But I cannot emotionally separate myself from the subject. It's too personal and too real. I cannot take it for granted that it's simply discussion, discourse or debate. For me it will never be purely academic. And the more I study the topics, the more difficult it becomes to hear people discuss them without any personal experience as a frame of reference. Though most people with any frame of reference are liable to be biased and to believe that because they have experienced some truth they understand all truths. Or that theirs is the only truth. And for me that can never be the case. I could spend the rest of my life unpacking what I've experienced and still know it's only a small part...in fact this lesson was part of one my experiences. But neither can I disbelieve my experiences in order to be "objective" (if objectivity is even possible).
If anyone has advice on how to study the topics academically while being swayed by experience I'd love to hear it. 📚
Just found your channel. Love the content! Finally, a serious approach to the occult topics. Thank you for uploading your videos!
Informative as always.
Thank you for letting me know
Always killin it, truly sublime
Top of the day to you Doc.
Thank you!! I need to decide how to finish my Undergrad! Dr. Sledges (study Biblical languages) ...route was my original plan.(but more like literagist pursuit) But I didnt. Cause Chicago is cold! LoL
You can do it!
I would actually like to hear more about becoming an academic in occultism. Maybe how to pick a reputable program that focuses on your interests.
Yes please, can you make a break down on how to go through masters to PHD study for Eroticism. And how to eggaged with ACADEMIC source and universities.and 4th point you made please. Thank you.
So helpful!! Thank you. 🙏🏻🖤✨
Would be able to give more examples of foundational texts? Also could you outline the basics elements of the various practices? Like altars and whatnot....
Thank you so much 🤍
You’re welcome 😊
Hi Angela, is there a way to bind someone to a place spiritually?
Also, use inter-library loans for as many books and journals as possible. Publishers tend to rip off academic writers and readers alike.
I am a practitioner, but I also want to be a scholar and get a PhD.
That's great ☺️📚
Thanks!
Hello Dr! I would love a video from you on how to study esotericismm as an academic - I’m an undergrad majoring in comparative religion with specific interest in esotericismm - would love your input ❤😊 thx!
thank you, Gea! Will do!
Have you watched this one?
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My tip, leave Crowley well alone until you know all the basics, he threw misleading 'spanners' into his works, he had a trickster like nature. Dion Fortunes Mystical Kabbalah is excellent and very well written for beginners and the "tree of life" by Israel Regarde is also superb, far better than "Garden of Pomegranates" which is a rather disjointed work in comparison.
The masters of Western Magic are Eliphas Levi and Agrippa, you grasp those and you wont need to read Crowley who just tweaked their works. A E Waite is very vebose and best left alone till you know the basics as well. Lastly Libre 777 is essential if you are a practicing mage.
Perhaps Dr. Nida Chetsnatsang could present a Tibetan perspective. He lives in Italy
I like listening to academic imput but I could never figure out what is wanted or needed to pass tests. Also, I'm not neurotic enough to attain a PhD.
Thank you
I am a practitioner, but I often find myself questioning many things through my own research and practices. My question is. Is it counter productive to be both a practitioner and academic?
No, I don't think it is. It just takes time to have those two sides find their harmony.
What you say doesn't offend me the least. And yet I completely disagree with you.
Logical fallacies and critical thinking... Yeah... But caring about sources is the antagonist of critical thinking. In the current school system you learn to evaluate sources, this is because they dislike critical thinking. As long as you follow the authority you have no need for critical thinking. Identify this logical fallacy in the video you just published. Still, thanks for your videos!
I wonder why is Sledge and you are taking about this? I hope it’s not my attempt to follow in your footsteps. I have a masters but not in esoteric studies. I try my best to talk about peer reviewed papers from arquelogia Mexicana which come from university and INAH scholars.
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University.
You’re adorable. And so far behind without even knowing it.
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All well and good advice from an 'academic' point of view, but can a materialist scholar (eg the most erudite Prof Hutton who isn't open to the 'reality' of the occult as experienced by practitioners) really understand any of it? It's like the difference between the scientist who wants to understand the phenomena of fire with verifiable data and thermometers verses the man who is willing to plunge his hand into the flame. Which one of them 'understands' the fire the best?! Or like a person who sees a ghost, trying to explain the experience to a doctor who does not believe in such things!
Interesting question. I think both the scientist and the practitioner know fire in your analogy, they only understand it from different perspectives. They both experience the truth of fire just not the whole truth. Neither would be wrong in describing their version of the truth. None of us understand the whole truth, we only understand what we are uniquely equipped to.
The doctor not believing in ghosts is a different matter entirely. In the analogy of fire you mentioned both individuals believe the fire exists. It would be very different if one of them were to argue that fire was a delusion.
@@sariahmarier42 Thanks for your reply. And yes, the ghost analogy is the problem with/for materialist scholars, studying a phenomenon which they have, a priori concluded, doesn't exist; other than in the deluded mind of the 'bonkers' practitioners...rather like an atheist, studying theology; which I suppose is very valid unless they also want to become a priest! To what extent can such things be 'understood' when one requires faith to properly connect with it? Perhaps (to conjure up a 4th analogy!) it's more like a doc, trying to treat a patient that happens to be a hypochondriac! Maybe they are sick, may be not, or maybe they are just being paranoid again!!!
@@jontyslade101 Wow there's some stuff to unpack there... *But first,
Nice to digitally meet you.
K... I don't think many scholars believe in ghosts etc because they lack firsthand experience of them. This makes them more prone to being neutral in some respects, but potentially biased in others. Like automatic disbelief and automatic disbelief is also a form of bias. Also not the same as healthy scepticism. Because they think they know.
Perhaps it's easier for academics to be objective because they remain in many ways detached from the subject and tend to be swayed by intellectual facts instead of personal experience. Facts tend to require verification. There is not method for verification as yet realized which can prove or disprove the individual experience. (But there will be one day, like the microscope proved germs.)
I like your analogy. Lett's say a doctor doesn't need to have experienced every injury he or illness he treats in order to treat it, nor does he need to have had any injuries at all ever in order to study medicine. So Academics need not be practitioners to study the esoteric or to be a guides along the path for those who may learn from them. (We're glad doctors gave microscopes... One day well be glad philosophers have physics)
On the other side though... You can believe me, that it's really hard to find a person or practitioner with real firsthand experience who is neutral in the academic study of philosophy, magic, occult etc. These individuals tend to be extremely biased in a few different ways... first they must admit they had an experience and this alone sways them as much as an academics scepticism. Based on their experiences they'll either take it for granted it's true and go from there or try to prove what they experience is real and go from there. Most won't take the time to try to disprove their own experience for knowledge sake to investigate the phenomenon objectively. And also once they've decided they've had this experience they're convinced that there experience is the truth of reality and therefore everything else is a lie rather than being open minded to the diversity of experience itself. (Which is weird, you'd think it'd be the other way round, but it's not...)
Truth be told, I find it a little disheartening to hear so much from academics who obviously don't believe whether they practice at all, you can tell hey haven't had personal experience with revelation, the nature of the universe, totality, individuation, reincarnation, spirits, etc. And so in seeking truly open-minded and neutral study is extraordinarily rare.
*If you made it this far thanks for putting in the time. 😉
I enjoy your videos but I also enjoy picking apart your logic.
This is quite a persuasive argument for the ethos of academia and yourself. I treat you personally on an equal footing with the rest of the intelligent members of our race. You sure picked a difficult subject to make your life's work but so did all the true practitioners of esoteric arts didn't they? The main difference being the acceptance of certain information.
As you say, a practitioner is more invested in their traditions and so is more willing to accept the logical assumptions and probably a few illogical assumptions to support their practice while an academic does not. A leap of faith doesn't necessitate it being unreliable or inadequate, merely unproven which breaks tenets of modern scientific research. Modern scientific research also happens to break the tenets of divine revelation and personal spiritual inquiry.. inherently. It also, as you mention, relies heavily on the ethos of academics of the past as well as that of literary sources which are its main source of knowledge. Higher level spiritual practitioners know fully well the inadequacies of the literary tradition as well as, honestly, the base consciousness of most humans. They are not reliable.
A deep knowledge of philosophy and its methods is required to even understand advanced literature and teachings from advanced spiritual masters which requires no small amount of adepthood in logic and reason. Those masters words must also be judged with great scrutiny because all humans are subject to various inadequacies (because of our human nature) when it comes to speaking of eternal truths although we are quite capable of it.
I don't think the academic approach when the scientific method is applied is actually accurate enough to support eternal truths, it's not even really designed for that.. it's designed to support scientific experimentation or research, as of the novum organum. Your argument itself is ultimately grounded in trusting the ethos of experts, much like the theologians of the past and present ultimately taking solace in the prophets, which is actually against the scientific method but it's not your invention of course. Academia has been doing this for a while now and it doesnt necessitate the truth whether they claim it's critically analyzed or peer reviewed or not which really isn't the truth either because we are still relying upon a certain philosophy or feeling, or wide enough acceptance to guide us to the truth. It's really just human opinions and philosophies being paraded around as the truth.
Our human logic function is quite clearly inadequate (at least to me and my philosophies namely grounded in ancient greece and wherever they got it from, for the curious) to discover the highest realms of truth.. without modification, which is what mysticism and esotericism tries to supply to its practitioners and doesn't necessarily claim to grant it, merely attempts to grant true wisdom and personal evolution for the sake of more adequately discerning truth, upon it's most enduring subjects.
This is terrible! Thinking??? I would recommend never doing that! "Thinking" is a big mistake. NOW, when are you going to teach us how to summon demons, so I can rule the world. 😜🤣😅
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U lost my interest at Academic. Lol
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