They killed DMZ by not updating it. When they removed 6 man platoons was kind of sad, but I was sick of the premade death squads. I feel I have a better chance in a 1v4 fight. The death of DMZ will be in the money hungry hands of Activision. Activision really lacks a vision.
Changing max squad size to 4 was done to help protect solos. People either play solo or 3 man squad. So when a solo dies to a 3 man, they can get picked up. And a 4 man vs a 3 man isn’t a huge advantage and levels the playing field in a fight. A 6 man is tough to fight when one team has twice (or 6x) the number of players.
@thadanielshow Aye, true... but there's little more annoying than when (as part of a 3-man, you got to save a downed team member, and you are also killed... and the enemy team then takes your original downed team mate in! ...and he then robs all your kit! 🤬🤬🤬
We NEED DMZ. It was the best thing to happen to COD. The fact it got cast aside for the waste of time zombies shit we have on MW3 is criminal. The PVP slower paced more tactical gameplay with classic COD gunplay and gameplay mechanics was awesome. Let's get this game mode back!!!! 💪
I have to say i had not seen you prior to being on a stodeh video. But since then watched all your colabs with him. I have been binge watching your videos. I absolutely love your content, love your sense of humor and 'sass'. But i also love your honesty, that is rare with streamers now a days. On top of that your content has helped me through a really tough time. When i have the cash I will def be joining the best community on youtube. From the bottom of my heart, thank you
Always felt they just simply needed to have sola, duo, trio, quads and six man servers. COD seem to put alot of effort into choosing and changing squad size/map rotations, rather than letting the player base use the allocated compute resources how we prefer.
so, my take is a bit nuanced: I loved 6M squads because I played mostly mission-focused and so I tried to be friendly whenever possible. A lot of the time, it actually worked and I met a lot of nice players, some of who I still play with today. So back then, we either joined up before a fight even started bc I communicated and negotiated, or we picked up the entire enemy squad and nobody was left behind if we killed a team that turned out to be nice or new and needed help wih missions. However, it is absolutely true that the 6M kill squads got really annoying, especially for solo players and mission-focused squads. Ashika was unplayable, and you were basically forced to create your own 6M team ASAP or be killed by one later in the match. Vondel at least allowed you to hide in the water and escape bc the sheer amount of bots would slow the platoon down a bit. My solution would have been the following: instead of removing 6-man-squads entirely, change a few things and give them handicaps. On Al-Mazrah, once you've got 4 players on your team, every player on the squad would lose the ability to use killstreaks. If you're 5, you lose access to UAV towers and other players get a callout "platoon nearby" even if they don't have a comms vest. And if you're 6 players, every player on the team is constantly marked on the map for everyone. These are just some ideas to level the playing field. Disable assimilation entirely on Ashika Island and Vondel.
6 man was too strong that day. But I think it would be OK if the game had better warning systems when 6 man team come near you, such as red circle or operator's warning voice if 6 man team come in 150m. range.
I hated 6 man squads with UAVs on Ashika. It was so unfair as a solo to get rolled that way with no way to escape. They should have reduced range on uavs and a squad wide cool down for consecutive UAV usage so that uavs cannot be spammed. They must be used in a tactical manner
I've been playing exclusively DMZ for the past year and a half. Hope they don't pull the plug completely on the game mode. It's perfect for the casual, busy, adult player. I'm almost 40 🤷
Awesome solo gameplay here phixate! Definitely must be hard to run as a solo with a friendly 4 man squad like that especially not knowing which ones were friendly and hostile players especially at the end on the highrise. Lol
They had a good solution for the leftover 2 players, for a short while you could pick up players but not have them assimilate in the team.. that was perfection....
6 man squads was great for random assimilation but the pre-made squads were too big of a problem and Activision took the quick/cheap fix of just reducing squad size.
Getting hunted as a solo with a 4 squad next to you is kind of wild. As a solo the chance of getting hunted should be close to zero. The game always lacked balance
..that and.... the laughs as a 6 man were awesome.. there was a lot more banter and chat, now it seems a lot more toxic. Usually randoms will ask for pickup but a 2 man who are friends wil both leave.
I had a game where my team killed a player from another team. We assimilated 1 and after discussion when another team pushed we teamed up with the rest off his team an rolled together. Was a lil confusing when pushing other teams but was fun and shows that dmz still has a good side to be found with comms
That was great. You said "wheres your fourth?" He said "oh, he's our scout". Lmao thats awesome having teammates that actually work the way your suppose too!!
It was the plea system that ruined DMZ with out the plea teams had to communicate to become a six man. Once we got the plea system people just kill and expect to get picked up. Every season was very different than the first one. It wasn’t the six man it was the plea system that ruined DMZ. Every one’s attitude changed the moment we got the plea system.
Platoon size and assimilation is hard to tackle because not everyone has lots of friends to play with maybe they only go as duo or trio, which is the world of 6 mans is a disadvantage. But at the same time it feels bad if the squad size is limited then you can't team up with your mates. 6 man was probably ok but maybe they should be marked on the map and you get warnings even without comms vest.
On one hand the 6 mans where super unfair to anyone comming late to the party. It discuraged pvp because youd fight always at a disadvatage But on the other two of my most memorable experiences: A 6 man Koshi Complex Speedrun and A 6 man hunting me down to kingdom come and me bearly making it out alive as a solo Are all thanks to 6 mans...
when i first Played DMZ for the first time i fell in love with DMZ and i loved the 6 man vibes and wish they never took it out the game DMZ was so much fun back then. but i really think that solo DMZ should have never been a thing to begin with it just didn't make any sense to queue in a match of DMZ knowing that you would maybe get stomp out right away. what would of made sense to me would had been to be able to form a 7 man squad for those solo players to fill in the rest of the six mans that where left on the map this way there would of been 7 man even squads all across the board.
that insta pickup is what bothers me and alot of others. it does really give an advantage to the team that sits on pleaing ppl. it should have revive time like the normal revive does from fully dead
Even though assimilating into a 6 man platoon back in the day was fun as a solo, and some of the best games I've played, being steamrolled by one was borderline gamebreaking and not much fun. Now fighting a 4 man squad as a solo isn't an instant death sentence. I prefer it this way. If they ever did a DMZ 2.0, having a 4 man max or 6 man max server option could make sense. Let the players decide.
I hated when they added assimilation to DMZ. Everyone expected a pick up and had no fear of fighting. With six mans, you should not be able to form a group larger than what you can queue for.
Removing the 6 man was good cuz too many abused it and premade. They killed the game due to leaving it behind and focus on mw3 . Now its kochi glitchers and 1-shot shotgun. But dmz is still fun and its so sad that they don’t support it
6 man platoon was the start of the downfall and they took far to long to remove them. There was way they could have made it work, ie not allowing friends to create platoons etc. The pre made still happens even now on eu severs but it's easier to deal with 4 than 6
Phix, everyone when 6man was a thing everyone disliked… the day after they got rid of it people realized they wanted 6 mans lol. I miss the plea pick up but not auto assimilate
They ahould have kept the 6man but gave u a option 2 kick someone from the squad if they wasnt being a team player. Have like a voting system that the other teammates could vote 2 kick or keep but the player in question wouldnt know about it
6 man was fine but the game should have been balanced better. For example UAC duration or range. No bounty targeting people where they did not have a chance (size of team, gear, etc). There are so many levers to balance the game
6man platoons needed to go! At one point in time the ONLY way to survive DMZ was to make a 6man. 3 man with 1 pickup is much more reasonable/fair. Otherwise they could make it 4 man starting team, with 2 pick up?
6man teams was a great skill compensator. 6 average Billy's still die to an average 3 man or a good solo. But I woukd hate to see a 6man team now with underbarrel glitch, the riot shields and knives, the one shot and factor in a 6 man rgl squad. Yikes. Yeah I'm glad 6 man's are gone.
I wish instead of trying to make sure they drop a new game every year that Activision would actually take the time to fully develop a gud game. IMO both DMZ and MWZ had a ton of opportunity but sadly got thrown to the side. I will not buy BO6 but I won't have to cuz I got gamepass.
Squads of 3 will ALL go back to the Lobby, if two go, chances are the other was a Random. If they go back to the they'll do what you do, just queue up fo the next match for a 'rebuild' and carry-on playing whilst you finish playing your match... It's bad enough with '3' vs '4' let alone how it feels for Solo's with 4-man Hunt Squads clearing the Map.. And the fact that more people maybe got sent back to lobby, its better for the Game-play - especially on smaller maps like Ashika & Vondel. It's also better for mixing the playerbase up as they will likely be in a different match by the time you 'exfil'. It's reduced 6-man out of region Hackers invading EU servers and ruining the game completely in Europe!!! At least they Nerfed the MRAP to hell to stop them running all over the Map with it too..
exploiters and hackers killed dmz for me. i had one final rage quit that never ended not long after ashika launched and 3 games in a row i died to people using walls. could of been a great mode but got neglected by activison
6 man squads were terrible. It's not much better now with the pre-made 4 man squads. For a guy who doesn't like glitching, not sure why you'd support pre-made squads at all.
I dont know for sure but i think Blackout is making a return to Black Ops 6 and to my understanding it will have DMZ like elements this is not 100% facts so take it with a grain of salt there will also be some sort of Exstraction going on in Black Ops 6. for us DMZ fans out there we may have to wait until its Infinity ward turn to get back in the Kitchen. i know 1 thing DMZ pt2 is going to be off the charts braking world record in the fps exstraction genre.
6 man platoons sucked ass and i'm glad they were gone. What killed the game was they abandoned it. But 6 man squads made me quit. I came back when they got rid of 6 man squads and i played till Activision stopped. Also uav spam hurt. But 6 mans were a fricken menace. They should never return.
I see a lot of potato brains...yes we know it's not extraction shooter,we know it was always beta and we know it will end soon but we still love it and we will play DMZ till the end . So take your tin foil hat and bunny jump/slide cancel out of here and watch/comment something you like . Long live Phix and DMZ . WANG
Why not move to a different game than complain about a dead mode which wont be updated anytime soon. But of course this will be hit by reply saying "There is no other good extraction shooter". DMZ was an arcade shooter with extraction element, it was never an Extraction shooter.
They killed DMZ by not updating it. When they removed 6 man platoons was kind of sad, but I was sick of the premade death squads. I feel I have a better chance in a 1v4 fight. The death of DMZ will be in the money hungry hands of Activision. Activision really lacks a vision.
Changing max squad size to 4 was done to help protect solos. People either play solo or 3 man squad. So when a solo dies to a 3 man, they can get picked up. And a 4 man vs a 3 man isn’t a huge advantage and levels the playing field in a fight. A 6 man is tough to fight when one team has twice (or 6x) the number of players.
@thadanielshow Aye, true... but there's little more annoying than when (as part of a 3-man, you got to save a downed team member, and you are also killed... and the enemy team then takes your original downed team mate in!
...and he then robs all your kit!
🤬🤬🤬
We NEED DMZ. It was the best thing to happen to COD.
The fact it got cast aside for the waste of time zombies shit we have on MW3 is criminal.
The PVP slower paced more tactical gameplay with classic COD gunplay and gameplay mechanics was awesome.
Let's get this game mode back!!!! 💪
I said "classic COD gunplay". Read the comment before trying to be clever.
4 man made it better. The pre-made 6 man was never going to stop happening. I did like the organic 6 man squads in the early seasons
Same, once people started doing the pre-made, it ruined it.
I have to say i had not seen you prior to being on a stodeh video. But since then watched all your colabs with him. I have been binge watching your videos. I absolutely love your content, love your sense of humor and 'sass'. But i also love your honesty, that is rare with streamers now a days. On top of that your content has helped me through a really tough time. When i have the cash I will def be joining the best community on youtube. From the bottom of my heart, thank you
Always felt they just simply needed to have sola, duo, trio, quads and six man servers. COD seem to put alot of effort into choosing and changing squad size/map rotations, rather than letting the player base use the allocated compute resources how we prefer.
I love how you pinged the vintage like they could see it . Haha
so, my take is a bit nuanced:
I loved 6M squads because I played mostly mission-focused and so I tried to be friendly whenever possible. A lot of the time, it actually worked and I met a lot of nice players, some of who I still play with today. So back then, we either joined up before a fight even started bc I communicated and negotiated, or we picked up the entire enemy squad and nobody was left behind if we killed a team that turned out to be nice or new and needed help wih missions.
However, it is absolutely true that the 6M kill squads got really annoying, especially for solo players and mission-focused squads. Ashika was unplayable, and you were basically forced to create your own 6M team ASAP or be killed by one later in the match. Vondel at least allowed you to hide in the water and escape bc the sheer amount of bots would slow the platoon down a bit.
My solution would have been the following: instead of removing 6-man-squads entirely, change a few things and give them handicaps. On Al-Mazrah, once you've got 4 players on your team, every player on the squad would lose the ability to use killstreaks. If you're 5, you lose access to UAV towers and other players get a callout "platoon nearby" even if they don't have a comms vest. And if you're 6 players, every player on the team is constantly marked on the map for everyone. These are just some ideas to level the playing field.
Disable assimilation entirely on Ashika Island and Vondel.
6 man was too strong that day. But I think it would be OK if the game had better warning systems when 6 man team come near you, such as red circle or operator's warning voice if 6 man team come in 150m. range.
I hated 6 man squads with UAVs on Ashika. It was so unfair as a solo to get rolled that way with no way to escape. They should have reduced range on uavs and a squad wide cool down for consecutive UAV usage so that uavs cannot be spammed. They must be used in a tactical manner
if thay make it like zombies. you can pick some one but he well not jion to your team. 😊
I've been playing exclusively DMZ for the past year and a half. Hope they don't pull the plug completely on the game mode.
It's perfect for the casual, busy, adult player. I'm almost 40 🤷
Awesome solo gameplay here phixate! Definitely must be hard to run as a solo with a friendly 4 man squad like that especially not knowing which ones were friendly and hostile players especially at the end on the highrise. Lol
I had some of the best times playing in and against 6 man teams.
They had a good solution for the leftover 2 players, for a short while you could pick up players but not have them assimilate in the team.. that was perfection....
6 man squads was great for random assimilation but the pre-made squads were too big of a problem and Activision took the quick/cheap fix of just reducing squad size.
Phix,😂, give Loochy back his cat LMAO
i love six man squad!
Using the Loochy sad cat ploy eh
Blueberries are one of my favorite snacks.
Getting hunted as a solo with a 4 squad next to you is kind of wild. As a solo the chance of getting hunted should be close to zero. The game always lacked balance
..that and.... the laughs as a 6 man were awesome.. there was a lot more banter and chat, now it seems a lot more toxic. Usually randoms will ask for pickup but a 2 man who are friends wil both leave.
'somebody just sniped the shit outta me damnnn' hahahahahahahah dmz too funny
I had a game where my team killed a player from another team. We assimilated 1 and after discussion when another team pushed we teamed up with the rest off his team an rolled together. Was a lil confusing when pushing other teams but was fun and shows that dmz still has a good side to be found with comms
That was great. You said "wheres your fourth?" He said "oh, he's our scout". Lmao thats awesome having teammates that actually work the way your suppose too!!
Phix eating pankcakes in the backround while sniping down players 😂😂
😂😂 when the operator said *do you need anything 💀🤣🤣*
Dude's all about immersion.
It was the plea system that ruined DMZ with out the plea teams had to communicate to become a six man. Once we got the plea system people just kill and expect to get picked up. Every season was very different than the first one. It wasn’t the six man it was the plea system that ruined DMZ. Every one’s attitude changed the moment we got the plea system.
Played mostly solo back when 6 mans existed. Uffda that was tough.
As a mainly solo player, i hated six man platoons taking all the hunt squads & wiping the server game after game.
Platoon size and assimilation is hard to tackle because not everyone has lots of friends to play with maybe they only go as duo or trio, which is the world of 6 mans is a disadvantage. But at the same time it feels bad if the squad size is limited then you can't team up with your mates. 6 man was probably ok but maybe they should be marked on the map and you get warnings even without comms vest.
On one hand the 6 mans where super unfair to anyone comming late to the party. It discuraged pvp because youd fight always at a disadvatage
But on the other two of my most memorable experiences:
A 6 man Koshi Complex Speedrun
and A 6 man hunting me down to kingdom come and me bearly making it out alive as a solo
Are all thanks to 6 mans...
when i first Played DMZ for the first time i fell in love with DMZ and i loved the 6 man vibes and wish they never took it out the game DMZ was so much fun back then. but i really think that solo DMZ should have never been a thing to begin with it just didn't make any sense to queue in a match of DMZ knowing that you would maybe get stomp out right away. what would of made sense to me would had been to be able to form a 7 man squad for those solo players to fill in the rest of the six mans that where left on the map this way there would of been 7 man even squads all across the board.
Platoons and grab a hunt! Weakest human move ever
Would have been cool if there was an in game feature that allowed you to draw straws if multiple people were playing from the same team.
The six-mans were kill squads and every victim was sent to the lobby so Im glad they nerfed it
6 man days
that insta pickup is what bothers me and alot of others. it does really give an advantage to the team that sits on pleaing ppl. it should have revive time like the normal revive does from fully dead
Even though assimilating into a 6 man platoon back in the day was fun as a solo, and some of the best games I've played, being steamrolled by one was borderline gamebreaking and not much fun. Now fighting a 4 man squad as a solo isn't an instant death sentence. I prefer it this way. If they ever did a DMZ 2.0, having a 4 man max or 6 man max server option could make sense. Let the players decide.
I hated when they added assimilation to DMZ. Everyone expected a pick up and had no fear of fighting. With six mans, you should not be able to form a group larger than what you can queue for.
Removing the 6 man was good cuz too many abused it and premade. They killed the game due to leaving it behind and focus on mw3 . Now its kochi glitchers and 1-shot shotgun. But dmz is still fun and its so sad that they don’t support it
6 man platoon was the start of the downfall and they took far to long to remove them.
There was way they could have made it work, ie not allowing friends to create platoons etc.
The pre made still happens even now on eu severs but it's easier to deal with 4 than 6
Phiixate your funny "I lost the bunny"
Phix, everyone when 6man was a thing everyone disliked… the day after they got rid of it people realized they wanted 6 mans lol. I miss the plea pick up but not auto assimilate
Only reason Platoons were ever added was to make bad players feel good. And yes it helped killed DMZ with the loss of updates.
Also if you can make a 4 man by picking up, I think it only makes sense to be able to load in with 4.
They ahould have kept the 6man but gave u a option 2 kick someone from the squad if they wasnt being a team player. Have like a voting system that the other teammates could vote 2 kick or keep but the player in question wouldnt know about it
If they brought back 6 man teams, they should all show up on UAV circle then when close enough all be on UAV …
thats just pure awesome DMZ
13:03 that guy, haha 😂
Lol pinging a vintage wine to enemies
I think they should’ve changed the max squad size to 4 but they should have let you res people without adding them to your team after that
Sniping is just soo much better in DMZ
Yeah its crispy for sure
Poor Phix! I'm welling up!😢
I never get picked up
That cat reminds me of….. love the video though
They should have marked platoons on the map like they do a bounty. That or just have a UAV ping on all the players
If you played solo before and died a squad would not pick you up because they wanted the 6 man. So back to the lobby for solos back then.
Since DMZ is now past EOL it doesn’t mater what squad limitations are. As a solo player I die against a three men as easy as a 6 man.
6 man was fine but the game should have been balanced better. For example UAC duration or range. No bounty targeting people where they did not have a chance (size of team, gear, etc). There are so many levers to balance the game
Making 6 man available only for the last 15 mins of the game would be a middle ground I can get behind.
what about the shipwreck double spawn? those were interesting.
PHIXATE THE GOATTT
DMZ has been dead since day one of MW3
6man platoons needed to go!
At one point in time the ONLY way to survive DMZ was to make a 6man.
3 man with 1 pickup is much more reasonable/fair.
Otherwise they could make it 4 man starting team, with 2 pick up?
6man teams was a great skill compensator. 6 average Billy's still die to an average 3 man or a good solo. But I woukd hate to see a 6man team now with underbarrel glitch, the riot shields and knives, the one shot and factor in a 6 man rgl squad. Yikes. Yeah I'm glad 6 man's are gone.
That Sa’id…so hot right now
Safe word: Brrrrrrrrrr
I wish instead of trying to make sure they drop a new game every year that Activision would actually take the time to fully develop a gud game. IMO both DMZ and MWZ had a ton of opportunity but sadly got thrown to the side. I will not buy BO6 but I won't have to cuz I got gamepass.
Definitely no 6 man that is ridiculous
I dont get those devs, why did they cancel this mode whilst still selling operator packs
hundred man platoons.
I think 5 man is Perfect.
Then it would be more PvP and not too OP for friendlys
I miss the Truce mechanic also
Magento says Magenta
They killed the mode by not adding actual balance against PvP. The 6 mans were never the problem. Too late to fix it now unfortunately.
That was awesome content 😂❤🪖👍
Ahh sweet ending!
Bring back 6 man squads. I know it will not happen
so how does the bunny have the dog on his back? i thought that was an Alex skin?
Should be solo mode as well.
Squads of 3 will ALL go back to the Lobby, if two go, chances are the other was a Random. If they go back to the they'll do what you do, just queue up fo the next match for a 'rebuild' and carry-on playing whilst you finish playing your match...
It's bad enough with '3' vs '4' let alone how it feels for Solo's with 4-man Hunt Squads clearing the Map.. And the fact that more people maybe got sent back to lobby, its better for the Game-play - especially on smaller maps like Ashika & Vondel. It's also better for mixing the playerbase up as they will likely be in a different match by the time you 'exfil'.
It's reduced 6-man out of region Hackers invading EU servers and ruining the game completely in Europe!!! At least they Nerfed the MRAP to hell to stop them running all over the Map with it too..
exploiters and hackers killed dmz for me. i had one final rage quit that never ended not long after ashika launched and 3 games in a row i died to people using walls. could of been a great mode but got neglected by activison
6 man squads were terrible. It's not much better now with the pre-made 4 man squads. For a guy who doesn't like glitching, not sure why you'd support pre-made squads at all.
Still glad 6 mans are gone.
They killed it by not updating it but also no randomizing spawns in different parts of the maps.
"drop a like to make this sad cat happy"?.. that's Loochy's material bud, imitation is the best form of flattery
lol sad cat
4 man team is good. more balanced and certain players to play more conservative
Glad 6 man squads at gone. It was awful. Always 1 more player remained to revive everyone up again.
I dont know for sure but i think Blackout is making a return to Black Ops 6 and to my understanding it will have DMZ like elements this is not 100% facts so take it with a grain of salt there will also be some sort of Exstraction going on in Black Ops 6. for us DMZ fans out there we may have to wait until its Infinity ward turn to get back in the Kitchen. i know 1 thing DMZ pt2 is going to be off the charts braking world record in the fps exstraction genre.
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Why you takin Loochy's thing, about liking to make the sad cat happy
6 man platoons sucked ass and i'm glad they were gone. What killed the game was they abandoned it. But 6 man squads made me quit. I came back when they got rid of 6 man squads and i played till Activision stopped. Also uav spam hurt. But 6 mans were a fricken menace. They should never return.
I believe it did hurt dmz for all the solo players complaining join a team
No! Ppl like you, PvP players, killed DMZ 💯
Game is way better without 6 mans
Did they kill DMZ... ahhhh news flash bud.... been dead for over 6 months
Too many changes too fast. Now 1 shot shotty and glitchers gonna get it shit down permanently
I see a lot of potato brains...yes we know it's not extraction shooter,we know it was always beta and we know it will end soon but we still love it and we will play DMZ till the end . So take your tin foil hat and bunny jump/slide cancel out of here and watch/comment something you like . Long live Phix and DMZ . WANG
Why not move to a different game than complain about a dead mode which wont be updated anytime soon. But of course this will be hit by reply saying "There is no other good extraction shooter". DMZ was an arcade shooter with extraction element, it was never an Extraction shooter.
I can't wait til DMZ servers turn offline probably this year with Black Ops coming.
How dare you curse DMZ lol but fr DMZ is the only reason I came back to C.O.D in the first place