Ep. 7 - REW Tutorial Multiple Sub setup with Minidsp for Great BASS! | Home Theater Gurus|
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- 👉✅Room EQ Wizard REW tutorial for sub setup! Home Theater Gurus !
In This REW Tutorial you'll Learn what tools you need and what methods to follow to Properly position multiple subs using Room EQ wizard. Tutorial covers what's needed, how to take measurements, how to determine if placement of subs will work with each other, how to align the subs for seat to seat consistency, how to apply eq, REW auto EQ feature, house curves and aligning subs to mains. Home Theater Gurus
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Follow this videos AVS thread and ask questions.
www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...
NOTE** If you aren't getting audio to the subs make sure the MINDSP is set to analog and not USB or digital.
**In the 2x4 HD plugin this option will be available in the routing menu once connected to the mindsp .
**In the 2x4 advanced plugin for non HD models this option is available in the settings menu.
Recommended tools
Umik-1
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...
Optional mic
Dayton UMM-6
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...
Mini DSP 2x4 HD
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01...
USB extension cables
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06...
Thanks to Brent Connor for breaking the video down!
[2:00] Hardware - UMIK-1 - mentions cross spectrum labs
[5:05] EQ - miniDSP
[8:00] Plugins
[10:16] Connection arrangement
[10:56] REW download
[12:26] ASIO4ALL - don't work
[15:38] ASIO4ALL work around pt1
[15:55] Load microphone calibration files into REW
[16:40] Check speaker levels
[17:35] Fire up miniDSP
[19:04] Make sure there's no PEQ
[19:27] Check crossover - default setup for stereo mains
[21:17] Make sure Audeyssey isn't enabled
[21:30] ASIO4ALL work around pt2
[22:22] Start sweeps sub 1
[22:39] Set sweep Hz range, length
[23:35] Resize sweep result graph
[24:50] Measuring 1 sub in different locations
[26:30] 1 sub sweeps on 4 listening positions
[28:20] Remeassure sub1
[30:00] Turn on 2nd sub, turn off 1st sub
[32:40] Meassure first two subs together
[33:48] Add delay to align - trial and error
[37:00] Invert channel to align
[41:00] Quickly aligning the other 2 subs
[51:10] All subs aligned
[52:20] Seat to seat measurements after alignment
[55:38] EQ the aligned subs
[1:01:00] House curve, adjust freq response to match target
[1:02:58] Match response to target
[1:04:16] Loading filters for unsupported EQ
[1:06:02] Load EQ file to MiniDSP
[1:07:58] High pass filter
[1:12:00] Add manual EQ
[1:15:55] Curve smoothing
[1:16:40] Seat to seat with aligned & EQ subs
[1:18:40] Crossover
[1:20:30] Run Audessey again, adjust any crossovers again
[1:22:20] Adjust subs if Audessey tells you it's too high
XLR to RCA for output of MiniDSP to input of Behringer amps or any amp with XLR input
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...
Sub out on Processor or AVR to MiniDSP input.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07...
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[2:00] Hardware - UMIK-1 - mentions cross spectrum labs
[5:05] EQ - miniDSP
[8:00] Plugins
[10:16] Connection arrangement
[10:56] REW download
[12:26] ASIO4ALL - don't work
[15:38] ASIO4ALL work around pt1
[15:55] Load microphone calibration files into REW
[16:40] Check speaker levels
[17:35] Fire up miniDSP
[19:04] Make sure there's no PEQ
[19:27] Check crossover - default setup for stereo mains
[21:17] Make sure Audeyssey isn't enabled
[21:30] ASIO4ALL work around pt2
[22:22] Start sweeps sub 1
[22:39] Set sweep Hz range, length
[23:35] Resize sweep result graph
[24:50] Measuring 1 sub in different locations
[26:30] 1 sub sweeps on 4 listening positions
[28:20] Remeassure sub1
[30:00] Turn on 2nd sub, turn off 1st sub
[32:40] Meassure first two subs together
[33:48] Add delay to align - trial and error
[37:00] Invert channel to align
[41:00] Quickly aligning the other 2 subs
[51:10] All subs aligned
[52:20] Seat to seat measurements after alignment
[55:38] EQ the aligned subs
[1:01:00] House curve, adjust freq response to match target
[1:02:58] Match response to target
[1:04:16] Loading filters for unsupported EQ
[1:06:02] Load EQ file to MiniDSP
[1:07:58] High pass filter
[1:12:00] Add manual EQ
[1:15:55] Curve smoothing
[1:16:40] Seat to seat with aligned & EQ subs
[1:18:40] Crossover
[1:20:30] Run Audessey again, adjust any crossovers again
[1:22:20] Adjust subs if Audessey tells you it's too high
Wow.. I'm gonna have to put you on the payroll.. 😂😂. Thank you so much. I'll add this to the description!
@@hometheatergurus glad to help, but it's as much for my reference. lol. Awesome videos man!
I connected the Minidsp today but I am only getting output from sub one , I have checked connection over and over , still only getting output from sub one .any ideas 💡
@@Tec2Nut so many possibilities. The quiet channel could be bypassed, it could be high/low filtered, it could be mapped to the wrong input. It could be a faulty cable, or similar hardware issue. RUclips isn't the best place to get support. I would try one of the popular forums, like avsforum.com
@@hometheatergurus You are a gift to mankind.
Just a heads up for anyone that has recently purchased a MiniDSP 2x4 HD, there is now an newer or updated version of the "console" / GUI and looks a fair bit different than what's being used here. Spend some time looking it over, and you'll see everything that has been explained here. However, what stumped me was when it came to saving the filters from REW I wasn't able to figure out how to import them into the MiniDPS. What you have to do is ignore the import button on the left side of the console, and instead, open the PEQ on the output bar, change over to advanced mode and enable, then look up to the top right of the console and there is a menu slider bar to enable. Once you've done that there is an option to "Load Biquad File", which will be the file you saved in REW. Then your file will load with your filters enabled. Hope this helps.
I've been pulling my hair out for weeks and bugging the shit out of people on AVS trying to understand all this. I've spent countless hours in frustration, and this is all it took for me to grasp this. THANK YOU
Comments like this make it all worth it! You're welcome!
Home Theater Gurus would you do a remote system setup with me please and happy to pay for your time
@@hometheatergurus He is right. We thank you your efforts so much. I will be using this video soonest to adjust my room!
Just wanted to congratulate you folks on such a great video. What solid and factual information and guidance. A great service to Home Theater enthusiasts everywhere. We are big fans ! Keep up the good work.
Thank you!
I just looked up your channel. I've watched you a few times before. Great stuff! Just subscribed.
Just wanted to say a big thank-you!!! . Videos like this are what make RUclips so great, this will help literally 1000s of people get better bass in their rooms. Cheers!!!!
Thank you!
AMAZING tutorial. Spot on for what I was trying to achieve with the minidsp + REW. It's this kind of videos that make it worthwhile opening the laptop at random hours. Smooth talking, precise with just enough editing to let us commoners understand it and react to pop-ups and things like that. Thanks a lot.
Finally got me a minidsp 2x4 hd, followed your video and oh man!! My subs sound even better now! I’m still messing with it but holy cow! I’m a true believer now!
Fantastic video. I’ve been considering a miniDSP for about six months and you just pushed me over the edge. Liked and subscribed. Thank you for taking the time to break it all down for us. You’re my hero!
I really, really love this man... Best thing on RUclips for us enthusiasts. I finally have a house curve.
Haha. A house curve is a wonderful thing!
Thank you. The way you showed how to use this system was Fantastic. Wish everyone would explain stuff with complete explanation from A to Z the way you did. Thanks again!
You're very welcome!
Thank you for this, i am sure it took you forever to do an amazing helpful video for all of us, really appreciate it! keep up the good work.
This has been by far the best video I have come across for a tutorial for miniDSP 2x4HD. In less than 3 hours I was able to go from an ok setup at -4 volume to a wow at -10. Thank you!! The house curve is a must!!! Can’t thank you enough.
hands down the best and understandable way to approach and explain sub/room -correction, AWESOME. My new hero withing audio!
Excellent and very clear video, thank you. I've since discovered there is a time alignment tool now in REW, it'd be awesome if at a later stage you could talk through how to use this properly.
Hey man, finally had the time to go through this whole thing... This was very well done and super informative! I did all of my tuning before you came out with this and was trying to follow a few online guides on AVS. I probably followed what you did about 80% of the way but need to go back and retune now that I've seen this. Hope you're doing well with all the craziness right now!
Hello,
I’m new to this. I just plugged in my mini DSP 2x4 HD because I need it to calibrate 4 PB-2000’s. At the moment I’m trying to figure out how to use REW. When using the mini DSP with the Umik-1 do I also wed to have my laptop plugged in with hdmi to my AVr? On REW I can’t figure out what selection to make for the Output device? My options are : Default Device, Default Audio Device, Built in output, HDMI, and mini DSP 2x4 HD.
Had a few delays waiting on an additional usb extender with a repeater. I had only ordered one for the Umik1 and needed a second to feed into the MiniDsp, since my computer is a fair distance from my theater and I don't have a lap top. But after getting this all done I'm amazed and smiling from ear to ear now that my 4 subs are gain matched and time aligned. You have NO idea what's going on in your room until you follow this procedure. I couldn't be happier, music and movies have never sounded so amazing. Thank you once again for all the information you provide to guide someone like me who had no clue how to approach and bridge this topic. Your my hero for this year and all of next year for sure .... lol. Thank you !!
Thank you SO much for making such a detailed how-to video on REW+MiniDSP. I’ve been tinkering with both, off-and-on, for a couple of weeks as time allows, and although I got decent results, it’s nowhere near what you achieved here.
Thanks to this video, I now have a better idea of what to do the next chance I have time to try again. I was kind of flying blind because I don’t know much about taking room measurements with REW, I find myself hoping I set it up right before I start measuring. I’m using the regular MiniDSP, and not the HD version, so I hope I can get close to the same results.
Again, thank you for being so detailed, and taking the time to do this for us!
Really liked how you explained the importance of delay between the 2 subs.
Thanks! I try to keep it simple or start simple so it makes sense and the visuals definitely help with that.
Dude, screw Batman, you're my hero now. Thanks for the comprehensive and easy to understand video!
🤣 You're welcome!
@@hometheatergurus One more clarification please - so you recommend we EQ in REW first (as in this video) with Audessey bypassed/off before running Audessey multieq auto calibration? I'm getting mixed responses from the usual AV forums about his - some say run Audessey first and then fix whatever dips and peaks the auto EQ cannot catch with REW, some say REW first then Audessey. FYI my receiver (Denon x6400h) has dual sub outputs (with 2x SVS PB1000) and I run them to the left and right input of miniDSP 2x4HD.
Also, if Audessey is run after REW calibration as in the video and we've added delays to the subs, we should expect Audessey's sub distance reading may not be the same as the actual physical distance of the subs to MLP correct?
thanks a bunch!
@@azrizainzainal8119 I explain why you don't do that. Best to stay off the forums... :)
Basically when using audyessy we eq flat in rew and a mindsp. Then let audyssey have it. If you do audyessy first then anytime you rerun audyessy guess what... You must redo rew / mindsp too. If you eq in rew / minidsp first you can run audyessy 100 times and never have to touch the rew eq. Now of course if you move the seats or a sub or add a sub you must then go back into rew and the mindsp.
@@hometheatergurus I have a question here: If we run audyssey after making measurements with rew/minidsp, doesn't try to EQ the bass also? Thank you
@@danut234 yes but as we discuss in the video we will use a flat target in REW which is what audyssey is eqing to so it will babe little work to do.
This is the BEST REW/ Room EQ Wizard tutorial. Thank you for this. You are the best. I just got my UMIK-1 about 3 weeks ago. I just now have downloaded the latest REW 5.20 Beta 36. Now I just need the DSP 2x4 HD to adjust my 4 sub-woofers. I currently have the Denon AVR X4000 with the Audyssey MultEQ XT32. I use as a Pre-pro except I do power my front height speakers from the X4000. I hope I can improve my bass better now.
Thanks! I'm sure you'll soon be in bass heaven!
Man. Thank you so much for this. It’s slightly advanced but I’m pretty sharp. You made everything really clear. Really appreciate you brother. Take care!
Awesome video dude! (just like your other video's btw). I've used your gain matching guide and this one to setup my subs. They have never sounded this good! A big thanks dude!
That's the kind of feedback I like! Awesome!
amazing video, there's not waste in a second. congratulation, you catch my attention. i hope you can do a video blending and checking how smooth are the subs together to the main, and how to fix it using the same technique of phase and delay.
Hi
I’ve been reading and trying to make REW work for a couple of weeks. Last night I sat down with a beer and this video and after 4 hours of tinkering and rewatching this video and the my 2 subwoofers have never sounded more alive. And what’s better I have a basic understanding how it works !! Thanks for your efforts making these videos ... Much appreciated ...
Awesome man! It's a lot to take in but definitely worth it!
Thank you very much for this video which has helped me set up the 4 subwoofers in my room to deliver excellent bass. Mini dsp and this video has changed the sound in my HT. Cant thank you enough so thank you once again.
This was a great video and I picked up a lot new things!
Thanks! Glad you found it useful!
Man, I'm impressed with your knowledge.
I really appreciate the time and tutorial you do. I've learned more in this video, than I did in the last 6 months reading about REW..
Thank you very much :)
Thanks and you're very welcome. Really glad it helped!
Big thanks for this man. Absolutely mega appreciate how thorough you were pal👌🏼👍🏻
This! This was the most informative and most helpful subwoofer guide I have ever come across. This explains so much. I thought the subwoofer crawl was about enough for a home amateur. But now I understand that you might not find the best spot, you might even find the worst spot with a lot of highs and nulls. I need to get myself a microphone.
Excellent video the best I have seen yet on Eqing subs with the MiniDSp, I had to learn a lot of this the hard way, this video would have save me a lot of effort a year ago 😂, but I learnt a lot in this video, I especially liked how you performed the hardcut at the 18hhz frequency as I'm not a big fan of this sound either and I never found a good solution for this. Thanks for the video, I have subscribed and will be checking out your previous videos
Thanks and it sounds like you learned similar to the way I did. Not sure how far back you go but 15 years ago I used a radio shack spl meter and we had a generic Cal file we all used to take REW measurements. Then I'd load filters on a behringer feedback destroyer using a dial. It took forever. We've come a long way since then. This video would have helped me too!
@@hometheatergurus I've been getting into home theater at a serious level for 5 years now, so still a noob in a lot of ways but I enjoy the hobby a lot.
I'm just in the middle of watching ep18 on chest kick, what I have been experimenting with lately is using a program called Ratbuddy with my denon receiver to adjust the target curve that Audyssey gives which i find when Multi Eq is enabled is a lot different when disabled. When disabled the whole system sound fuller but lacks the functions like Dynamic EQ and the ability to use the Multi EQ app to only correct up to 300hz.
So with Ratbuddy i can add +6db at 20hz and 55hz for the front stage , This gives me a almost similar sound to when Audyssey is off with the extra benefits. Source material
docs.google.com/file/d/1YH_eNHRCxKFCwXMddi28kzXqnUwYHfrD/edit?filetype=msword
But I just installed a new Tv and time to do new some new speaker arrangements and Sub Eq so will use a lot of this new information on your channel, I'll will watch a lot more of your videos before I begin the chirp chirp sounds😂
Wow. This video is priceless.
Thank you for the deep information.
Just bought a minidsp HD and mic. Thank you for making this video...I have 3 subs and can't wait to properly adjust them. 👍
Glad I could help!
This is great, lost me a bit a times but very informative! Well done. 👏🏼
Thanks so much for this video, it has made a massive difference to my 2 subs. I have 1 question though, how do I Integrate the subs after they have been eq'd with the mains? I have a perfect flat line when sweeping just the subs (I use ypao so not worried about house curve) but when I sweep with mains and YPAO enabled, my response is all over the place. Is it a matter of just adjusting sub distance on avr after audyssey setup has run? I have fronts and center set at 90hz, but I have tried 100hz and it made no difference.
I just stumbled across this sitting here with my iNukes and two subs that I'm certain aren't properly dialed in - never having used REW before. You did a great service here and I'm pretty confident that, even though three years later there are still no filters for the Behringers - I can get something pretty eye opening. So thanks!
Thanks!! I'm glad you've found them helpful. I don't think REW will ever support Behringer. I've been using REW for 15 years. We used to have to enter filters in using Behringer Feedback Destroyers and a dial. It was the stone age even compared to manually loading them now.
Nice! Thank you so much for sharing this video. I got your link from youthman. I’m discovering new stuff every day. This thing is important so that we can get the most out of our gear. Thanks again, you got a new subscriber here.
Awesome video brother. I only have enough room for one sub in my living room, will using REW and a mini DSP still improve my base with one sub only?
Yes buddy it really will I have only one sub, but now I have it EQ nice and flat and let adussy give it a dynamic EQ it sounds night and day better 🙂
Awesome! Can’t thank you enough for your effort making this video. I went through this exactly step by step last night with 3 subwoofers. After aligning/filters I had a +/- 3db perfect house curve! The mains were still crossed at 200hz per your gain matching video. Now that my curve was perfect I moved my mains back to 80hz, did a sweep. It completely ruined the curve with all kinds of nulls across multiple octaves. This is with no room correction applied still. Will running my 8 position YPAO now that aligning is done clear this up, or do I need to re do aligning with the mains at 80hz this time? Thanks again brother!
Awesome!
Yeah you need to run auto setup to align the lcr to the subs. Until then they're not aligned and you get a nasty response all around the crossover point.
I'm still new to this but I feel like 80hz is just a guideline not a wall. I found something similar in my recent testing. Feel free to raise your crossovers to 100hz or even 120hz if it gets rid of the dips. Just measure another frequency response after. The problem with Audyssey and other receiver correction methods is they play one speaker at a time. So this doesn't account for phase issues especially when the sub is integrated. Tweak your crossovers and adjust sub distance as needed.
👏👏👏👏👏👏 so so awsome. Watched it two times now. This is great info. Got my minidsp hd 2x4 yesterday. Cant wait to have some fun with it. Best regards from Norway
Awesome! Take your time and go step by step and you'll be good to go!
😍 i spent about 4-5 hours moving subs and main listening position. Meassuring every time. So took my time and did everything step by step and managed to get a good response from the subs. Tested some scenes the next few days. And watched Fury with a few friends yesterday, and man wow that realy gave us a workout. Those 50cal guns pounding in the chest 😳😳 thanks again for doing this, making my way throug all your videos now 👏👏👏
About 15 years ago I bought two subwoofers and placed them front of my room and left and right corners. The sound was every uneven just listening by ear. Messed with inverting one of the subs and adjusting crossover points, everything, but nothing was a clear improvement. Sure could have used tools like this. I ended up stacking the subwoofers and that was the best I was able to do at the time. Huge improvement over separating them. I'm now in a new house looking to add real subs to my HT and this is the route I heading down. Thanks for the tutorial.
If I set a house curve in REW, then run Audyssey should I also enable Dynamic EQ ?.
After aligning the subs would it be terrible just letting Audyssey auto eq instead of manually?
Thank you for an outstanding video! I've been looking for a video like this for a long time. This was really helpful. I do have some questions though that I would really appreciate if you could answer.
1. How do I set my receiver prior to running the miniDSP EQ, with regards to levels, distances, crossovers etc? I'm still a little confused by how the two interact, especially if we use the miniDSP to integrate the mains with two subs (which we could, right?).
2. You talked briefly about Audyssey, and that we should run Audyssey AFTER having gain matched, aligned and equalized our subs.
a) Should we really let Audyssey EQ again? If so, should we limit its EQ to certain frequencies using the Audyssey editor phone app (I would really like a video on this by the way!)? If not, is there any way to retain the benefits of Audyssey (e.g. dynamic volume, which I use a lot for night time viewing with my wife) without messing up the bass response?
b) When I have tried to integrate my two subs using REW and a Denon X2300W that only has one subwoofer output, I have used Audyssey to find out the distance to each sub (since the physical distance is different because of the internal DSP), calculated the average distance and used that as a starting point when trying to integrate my subs, because if I just let Audyssey set the distance with both subs running, it gets the distance all "wrong" and the integration is not at all that great. With the miniDSP though, you are suggesting that we let Audyssey determine the distance of the grouped subs after we have aligned them. But will that distance be optimal with regards to the integration with the main speakers, or should we still tweak the timing between the grouped sub and the mains etc?
3. You said we should set the crossover in our receiver as high as possible when we integrate our subs, but what about after? All speakers will put out bass, and that will affect the bass response in the room right? Shouldn't we take that into consideration when optimizing our bass response, e.g. by trying out different crossovers? As a side note to that, can we use REW to determine the optimal crossover frequency for the other speakers than the front left and right (e.g. center, surrounds, heights)?
5. Do you think the HD version of the miniDSP is necessary if you "only" have two subs?
6. Do you see any point in buying a more fancy receiver only for its EQ functionality when you have the miniDSP? For example, my Denon X2300W does not have the more advanced version of Audyssey (XT32) and no independent subwoofer outputs, but is that still useful when you have the miniDSP?
Many thanks in advance. Looking forward to more great videos like this!
Man thats a lot.. :)
First thanks, glad it helped!
With the editor app I limit eq to 300hz and use dynamic eq. With accurate speakers I ideally only eq the modal area. In rew you'll set the target flat as explained in the video.
As for avr settings just turn off all dsp. Distances don't matter as they don't alter the response as long as you follow the steps in the video and raise the crossover point before rew alignment measurements.
Running auto setup afterwards will smooth the repsonse even more and adjust sub distance for the newly aligned group so the subs are aligned to the mains. Verify with rew to make sure you don't have negative summation at the crossover point to make sure sub distance is right.
The subs crossover is maxed out during the alignment but after everything is done I'd set it no lower than 80hz as you want the subs handling as much as possible as you hopefully have a great and similar response seat to seat and no single speaker will give you that in the modal area.
As for the mindsp. Yes I'd get one. It makes life easy.
As for the avr inwouonr upgrade unless your missing some feature you really want. As for subs we need one sub out which all avrs will have so as long as we have a mindsp we don't need anything fancy from the avr.
@@hometheatergurus A lot covered in the video, that's why :)
Thanks a lot! Just moved, so I'm about to expand my 5.2 setup to at least 5.2.4, possibly 7.2.4 of I can find a cheap and compact 2 channel amplifier to pair with the Denon x3600h or x4500h.
Speaking of height channels, you have any tip for placement of wall-mounted ceiling (elevation) speakers?
@@hometheatergurus Hi again,
There seems to be some controversy around what crossover setting to use while integrating multi sub. Audioholics recommend using a crossover of 80 Hz in a couple of their videos, but you recommend setting it as high as possible. When we run our system, the rest of the speakers will put out bass above the crossover, so why not take that into account when optimizing our bass response? Isn't it beneficial for the response to have as many bass sources as possible in the room? And don't we risk messing up the response curve if we pretend that only the subs will be playing up to 250 Hz, when in fact, all speakers will be playing above the crossover? What is your thought?
@@isak6626 i didn't recommend 250hz. I said until it's audible. That may be 80 it may be 100hz. Of course we are ant as many bass sources as possible. 4 however is the point of demonishing returns.
As for loudspeakers putting out bass, that's one source, so as soon as we hand off to the speakers the seat to seat consistency goes out the window as we now have one speaker producing a modal frequency. We don't have multiple sources if bass above the crossover as any single speaker can now produce the modal Frequencies.
I cover this in my modal calculator and sub setup videos.
@@hometheatergurus I think you misunderstood my question. I meant the crossover setting while aligning the subs. You said 250 Hz and sweep the mains as a workaround to using ASIO and sweeping the sub channel.
My question is what happens when you revert to 80-100 Hz after having aligned the subs. Suddenly you have multiple speakers outputting bass above 80-100 Hz, which will alter the response in the 0-120 Hz range. Why not use a 80-100 Hz crossover when aligning the subs as well, so that you can take that extra bass into account when you optimize the response?
There is a lot of science in room acoustic setup...Nice video!!
Thank you!
You are the man! So Happy you exist! Thank you 🤘🏻
Thank you for this, ordered a MiniDsp based on your video. Regarding Dynamic EQ, I have a Denon 6300 and if I set up my dual subs with your house curve, would I turn Dyn EQ off or use the Audyssey app and only EQ above the sub's response level? And I'm assuming the subs can be plugged into any output from the MiniDsp or should I output from 1 & 3 or 2 & 4?
You're welcome. The video will walk you through all of that but with audyessy you eq for a flat target in rew and use dynamic eq.
And yes you can use any of the 4 outputs and just set it up in routing.
@@hometheatergurus do I measure audessey previous to doing all your steps in this Tutorial or afterwards? I would assume afterwards ...but im afraid it messes all Up.....we will see. Ordered the minidsp after watching this Video. I have a huge room Mode and reverbation time on 28,5 Hz due to my l-shaped room....If i just eq as you did, does rew take those times into account?
@@Shishaaa88a You run Audyssey after your are done with EQ in REW for your sub/s. nothing will get messed up this is the correct way to do it. everything will show when you room measurements and most of the time things can get fixed with EQ you just have to try a couple of times and it will work! worst case moving a sub or two a few inches can do wonders. good luck
Great video...very well detailed and explained.
Few questions in my mind, hopefully you can answer.
1. Do we do this audyssey off or pure audio.
2. After audyssey calibration, will dynamic eq used or has to be left alone.
I turn off the audio processing. You can use dynamic EQ but if you are makeing your own house curve it's not really needed.
Set it all to "straight decode"
You run the auto calibration after to sett the speakers and put EQ on the speakers. After it I will always go into the settings and use Manual EQ. Apply everything to the speakers that the auto calibration did but leave the subs at 0, because you will be setting your own house curve EQ in the minidsp
You turn Audyssey off and do this. after your are done you will room Audyssey, if you like afterwards you can use Dyamic EQ it won't harm any EQ done in the mDSP.
My UMIK-1 and mini dsp 2X4 hd is suppose to be delivered tomorrow !! - Sooo ... I'll be gain matching, aligning, and EQing over this week / next weekend !! Excited. Thanks again for the time & effort you've put into these and wealth of information you've shared in this series !!
Good luck and if you run into any hiccups we are on Facebook and have some really knowledgable mods.
Thanks for the great video/series. Really helped me to figure out REW and MiniDSP.
Thanks. Glad it helped!
I’ve gotten a lot more experienced at this since I’ve watched this video. Still amazed at how you achieved equal response in all seats. However my room is a bit awkward. Anyways 1 thing I’m slightly confused about still is how running room correction afterwards won’t affect your house curve? Won’t it try to bump your curve out and flatten it? Also by auto changing the distance won’t that mess up your curve at the crossover? Wouldn’t running the room correction first to see where your mains land then creating filters in rew work better? Reason I ask is after running calibration my curve never looks the same that I set it to after remeasuring.
If you watch the eq section you're supposed to eq flat when following with room correction. You do not do the house curve if you're using it. I discuss that here but it's brief and easy to miss.
Check out the audyssey video as it explains how to measure and not jack up the work you've done here. It's around ep 40.
As for how my response looks realize I design home theaters and this room like my new one is perfectly setup and not always doable with existing rooms unless the room was designed to be a dedicated theater or a perfect rectangle. If it's done right the results are easy to get.
@@hometheatergurus I think it's a bit confusing , that you set a house curve and then say that you need to run aydessey again and here you say can't run aydessey with a house curve
@@michaelbested123456 you're mising part of the video. No house curve when following with room correction. Eq flat. It's explained in the video.
I didn't use audyessy or room correction on the system I had when I did this video which is also mentioned.
Hey.
Can you guys do a similar video to this using minidsp to get maximum performance from a full range speaker?
I'm going to try blending LFE in front mains and 2 dedicated subs to create effectively 4 subs. I ordered 2 miniDSPs yesterday. I think it should work.
Thank you for taking the time to document all this and taking us through..
Glad I found this video with my search, now a new subscriber! Thanks!
Thanks! Good to know this little channel popped up in the hay stack.
Excellent, excellent work here. Thanks Steven!
I hope you don't mind, I've been sharing this video with a number of folks on AVSForums who can use the help. And I'm looking forward to your next video on multi row seatings and room modes
Awesome! Yep I think the next video on modes is really gonna help a ton. It has a huge impact on sound yet is rarely explained.
You should have a million subscribers. This is the best home theater house curve video on RUclips
Cannot thank you enough to this. Picture (video) is worth 1000+ words. For those who are not fortunate enough to have dedicated spaces it would be beneficial if you could do a vid that covered smaller and or odd sized rooms. Keep up the good work!
Yeah once I get the new house built I'll do that. The old room was too perfect it makes it look too easy.
Many thanks for taking the time to make this tutorial. It has been extremely helpful.
You're very welcome!
That was awesome! Thanks for making the video, I’m new to most of this and that’s is a excellent and informative video!
Excellent demo how to tuke subs using rew and mini dsp, this is the one of the best teaching great 😋
Just purchased Mic from Parts Express, great video. cannot wait to use REW.
Awesome! Take your time. Slow wins the race. Almost everyone that has issues rushed and missed stuff.
This was great, thank you for the knowledge! 👍
Excited to try this on my dual sub setup 🙂
You are a gentleman and a scholar!
That is so awesome! I use REW with the umm6-1 dayton mic. I have to buy a DSP now though. I use 4 subwoofers and though the room isn't too bad I know I can really tweak it nice now! Thanks for making this video very much. Very very good infomation! I def see where the time aligment really plays in as well!!!! The mini DSP is gonna help me great being I only have 2 subwoofer outputs on my marantz i can only time align 2 right now via AVR. This is gonna be a huge game changer.
Wow, this is really good info! Pure Gold!
I keep watching your videos at work and people looking at my computer like crazy but am ready to go after a week of repeat watching thanks
HAHA, Yeah I bet you're getting some odd looks..😅. Good luck!!
Wow great video! I brought a minidsp hd 2x4 at Christmas and this evening is crunch time, my friend is gonna bring his mic and lap top round and we’re gonna see what my room is doing with my 2 Paradigm Servo 15s (front L/R)and SVS sb-2000 middle rear. Hopefully we’ll figure it all out 👍🏼👏🏼
Thanks Darren! Lemme know how it goes.
I spent a few hours going through this process and finally managed a good house curve for my 2 SVS subs... Then I moved the mic over a foot or two over to the next seat on the couch and it looked pretty awful with 2 massive nulls. My seat-to-seat consistency is nowhere near as good as yours. I was a bit crushed so I walked away from it for a while. I will try again another day. Great video and awesome content! While I am discouraged at the moment, your content has given my a deeper understanding of what work needs doing. Thank you!
You're welcome. Check out the room mode episode. That will explain what's going on and how to fix it with placement. Also play with delay and see if you can find a happy spot that makes the other seats more similar even if summation isn't perfect. It's a game of tug of war but the room mode episode will help it click. Mine was so easy because I used the info in the room mode episode to place everything.
Not the most exciting video I'll watch today, but certainly the most useful and informative. I am going to use some of the concepts to try to better integrate my 2.1 stereo. The mains are full range and no DSP available, the sub is controlled by 2x4HD. Less than ideal but hopefully can get decent results in practice. I only care about 1 listener so that helps!
😁... Very true! Many have used it to help put them to sleep!
Ty for this all u opened the door to mini dsp for me...greets from germany...
Great informational video! Definitely do a video on room modes and seating positions. I’m designing my theater 2.0, we sold 1.0 and I never got around to learning REW. Things will be different this time
Thanks! I'll be doing room modes very soon!
Thanks for all your knowledge . I learn so much
Thanks Jamie! And you're welcome.
Many thanks for the informative video!
You're welcome!
Awesome details 👍 thank you!
Right at 42:38 you answered a question i had. But I do have a little negative summation around 43 hz, but no matter what I try I cant get that to smooth out. With 1 ms of delay to the right channel, I can get a positive summation, but only to the right, I still have a negative summation to the left around -7db I appreciate the video and will continue to use it to fine tune my subs.
The best video for minidsp. It will be nice it you do a video with the minidsp non HD interface.
Thanks! I do have on I just did on HPF where I cover the basics like routing and setting up the crossovers. One day I may do one like ep 7 but this was a beast to shoot and produce taking probably 30 hours of time.
Thank You for this video much needed for a newbie like me. Also never got anything like this on youtube yet
Even though I will purchase these peripherals and try to make it happen I know that I will get bogged down with the complexity of it all. But at least now I know that my two rear subs should be phased from the fronts. That seems like it is really important. Initially I'm going to let the Sony STRZA5000ES do its thing. But one day I'll grab a Mini DSP and a umik-1.
Thank you so much for sharing knowledge.
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Thank You fine sir, my new diy mini Marty's thank you!
just started following you guys,i have dual 12" Polk HTS 12 subs,my room is rectangular (12 ft*16 ft*8 ft) i use Audyssey MultEQ XT and im "quite" happy with the curve...having owned a Antimode 8033 with a Velodyne eq max 12 before in a similar room which was magnificent combo,good defined and tight pressure.Now i dont have the antimode anymore or the velodyne as i ventured into dual subs...... i actually dont have too much peaks (+6 db at 45 hz) but i lack a bit definition overall and deeper response(Polk HTS -3db point at 28hz) as i sit about 3 feet from the back wall to keep the boominess and bass buildup away,that again puts my couch and MLP in a multttude of lesser nulls especially 70hz (-7db )...Heres a BIG thanks to you guys as your video above made me check my modes and that how i found out my danger zones :)im looking to move the MLP against the wall for more bass but that again requires EQ on the subwoofers ,both at front wall,one in right corner and one about 6 feet from left sidewall.The MLP is non movable and the subs can be moved a bit.....anyway,question i have for you guys is: Would you more recommend the MINI DSP 2*4 with Umik Mic and REW...or just buy the Antimode 8033 Cinema? the antimode would cost 300 euro and the Mini DSP and Umik would be 210 euros....thanks for a great channel! keep it up as it makes me even more interested in Room modes etc
Thanks!
And to your question it's like comparing a half eaten apple to an apple pie. The anti mode is similar to audessey sub eq room correction only with one sub limitation. If you look at it can't even align two subs. It's just a simple eq. It measures the response and knocks down peaks. This makes it sound better and tightens up decay as you experienced. From that they've made it sound through advertising like it parts the red sea but in reality many avrs have better or comparable systems built in. Here's some info but there's lots more.
www.hometheatershack.com/threads/anti-mode-v-xt32.84034/
A Mindsp HD 2x4 on the other hand allows us (with REW and a mic) to see the responses to assist in placement and then align the subs as one unit. This is what makes a such a huge difference. The ability to align 4 subs in one interface so we get maximum output and a similar seat to seat. Then we can use REW to create our eq and load it onto the minidsp.
Hello from France, I'm a fan of your channel! thank you for all these informations which helps me a lot. It would be great if, with your knowledge, you could make tutorials on the MSO (Multi-Sub Optimizer) software which is very complementary to REW and the mini-DSP.
(I just received my Valencia Tuscany (and it's not easy in France) following your various videos. Thank you, they are great!)
Thank you again for sharing your passion with enthusiasts around the world!
Very nice tutorial for aligning subwoofers. I have suggestion, next you should do tutorial on aligning this subs to the main speakers ( front right, center and front left). I have regular minidsp 2x4, i think minidsp 2x4 hd is better job doing auto eq.
Even after all the reading I did this video was the most to the point, consistent and well structured to get into REW.
I like how you not only showed all the steps but made a point to highlight the why at every step of the video. This allowed the video to feel a lot more organic and easily understandable.
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Wow that was a great tutorial. Not going to lie I had to back the video up a few time and I’m still a little confused on some points, but I’m so excited to give this a go. I’ve played with REW with my 2 SVS SB16 subs already, but I was just kind of winging it. Now I feel like I know what I should be doing and I hope I can execute it. I’m Going to order a mini DSP H-D and start over. Your video will make setting up my home theater so much more enjoyable. I can’t wait to hear the sound improvements. Thanks
Thanks. It's definitely a lot of information to learn at once but you'll be a pro on no time!
I Did the Same thing you Did with 2 SVS PB 16
Thank you so much for this informative video buddy. I just spent 3 hours going through it all and have some questions I was hoping you could answer.
I have a single SVS SB13 with B&W CM9’s which are being run by a pioneer SC-LX82 (SC-27). I never use the “ EQ” on my amp as it sounds worse and too bright ( it’s the old MCAAC and doesn’t EQ the sub channel). I followed your instructions and changed the crossover to 200hz ( max on my amp) and then setup the mini dsp 2x4hd with the UMIK using REW.
I setup the house curve to 6db (100-30hz) and got a nice graph which I added additional EQ’s to using mini dsp input PEQ. Final product looked great so I ran MCAAC again and my sub distance went from 3m to 5m ( as expected). My main concern is the 80db crossover applied by the amp lowered the 50-80hz range of my sub after I tweaked it perfectly :(
So then I repeated the entire process keeping the crossover over at 80hz( on the amp) and it gave me a better curve as a final product post MCAAC. The bass sounds better than before for sure but it did sound a bit flat for music so I might have to reduce the house curve Slightly. I was hoping you could advise if I am going wrong somewhere as I don’t get why we had to raise the crossover to 200hz.
Many Thanks
Hi , Greetings from India.Good to see your channel name “guru” .You are a real Guru in this field
excellent video on REW👍👍
Could you please do a video on RT60?
Thanks for taking the time to put this together. Now I just need to save my nickels to afford an EQ and a mic!
This is an awesome video, I am just getting started in EQ and setting up some new subwoofers. I am wondering if a response this flat is really noticeable. I would imagine that the studio that is creating the music or movie is not going to take that much effort in setting levels. I see huge variations in movies and music and end up continually making changes to my system for my liking for any particular movie or album.
Great video really helpful
Without a dsp, I guess I just have distances to play with. Very interesting. Thanks.
Brilliant tutorial by the way .,
Thanks Phil
Just ordered the miniDSP 2x4 HD
Thank you for the great video! This helps to clear my confusion on setting up multi-subs a lot! BTW, before we do the 1st measurement, should we set the volume and phase buttons of the subs to "reference" and "0" respectively to start with? Thank you!
Fantastic video, I'm late to the party but finally getting around to it. Watched this twice already before trying it this weekend.
One thing I'm still confused with, does it matter what volume I have the setting within AVR and within REW settings?
Thanks Steve! - Awesome tutorial!
Just got my MiniDSP2x4HD and UM1K-1 mic!
I have 4 older subs 2x Velodyne 5000 (15") and 2x Klipsh Sub12 (12"). - All placed in corners of a 24 foot sq. room.
Hoping to get them optomized following your instructions - Not sure how much has changed since your original video. - Cheers!
How were your results?
@@joshbourlas7936 I haven't gone through the process yet Josh - I'm going to be moving some things (the screen and speakers) around, so I'll wait until all is moved to avoid doing it twice. - I'm excited to use my new Seymore AT screen, which is part of the move.
Great learning experience.
Thanks!
Exelent exelent videoooooo u are the first person of do a tutorial of this. Love u hahah
Your the first to express their love for me here. haha too funny!
You're welcome and glad I'm you found it helpful.
@@hometheatergurus Do u use the gains / distance in AVR or only in minidsp ? u stay the values all 0 in AVR and only work with minidsp ?
@@fabiozagoo all sub alignment is done in the mindsp. Only one avr sub out is used. The sub distance in the avr is used to align subs to the lcr by the avr's auto setup.
Great video!!!
Good stuff throughout, you're sharing a lot of good unbiased knowledge so far. Since this tutorials a few years old, are there any recent developments with REW that would be a good addition to what you've already explained? I know it is what it is, physics doesn't change, but sometimes tech finds one thing or another to tweak. After a long hiatus of audio systems and tuning (well it was high end car audio, mostly ARC Audio, Hybrid and old school Pre-China Cerwin Vega), I am getting back into it without the car this time, putting my mid-level system into the other room for some upgrades. I am still new to REW, but after an afternoon, it's all coming back to me, but some of this software has it's own specific quips sometimes, asio4all works thankfully, so I am probably overthinking it. The minidsp is a handy cheap addition that would've cost at least double if it was for my car builds back then. Going to be using it for two SVS SB-1000 Pros (small listening area (12x14) want to try sealed first), Klipsch RP8000F, RP504C, still using the old Reference Bookshelfs for rears, but figured out a way to put the old R620F florstanders high enough back there just for fun. I am glad this will decouple the sub tune from Audyssey, and also love the new Multeq-X letting me inject REW data. This lesson combined with your lesson matching the fronts is a huge help. I am switching from trying to make a perfect musical soundstage (car audio days) to a massive bubble of evenly blended frequencies. Been fun so far. Instead of nonstop dynamat and crushed fingers, I'm throwing bass traps in every corner and figuring out how to design and 3d print my own diffuser panels. Thanks again for the kind free help! The audio community has always been a pay-it-forward and share community since before I was even a part of it, it's great to see it still happens.
Thankyou so much!
This demonstration / instruction video is amazing. Thanks for sharing. I've used the umik and REW in the past but I do find it limiting and a bit primative, although they undoubtedly do the job in a bit of a convoluted way, but using it was enough to put me off measurements. I've been looking at the Dayton Audio V2 mic recently however and it's software and to me it looks night and day better and its ability to adjust things real time. As with better things though it costs a bit more :( Have you ever considered using it? I'm sure it will be of great benefit to you, especially for your purposes and with your knowledge. It is also accurate from 5hz where as the umik is rated from 20hz.