Tips To Lighten Your Load
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- If you are watching this video the chances are good you are looking to shave some weight from your base weight for your upcoming Thru-Hike. In this video I detail my personal learnings I had through my experiences as well as many common things I saw on the trail that weighed other Hikers packs down. Let's do a shakedown!
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Great presentation and info, Bigfoot. I don't have AT thru hike planned but find viewing about it intriguing. Lots of great ideas to consider, and appreciated the thoroughness on the topic, and I enjoyed it enough to watch twice.
Love this video. I have watched at three times. Keeps me focused on paying attention to base weight every time I plan my load. Thank you posting this. I have seen many of your video reviews and really like them.
Really good video. Just a bit on stoves, I'm an "alcohol stove guy", have used a bunch of them and for me there is nothing better than a "Fancy Feast Cat Can". I think it is less than 10 grams(!) and is easy to light and use, matches up well with my Toaks 550 Ti pot. The thing about an alcohol stove is, denatured alcohol doesn't provide a whole lot of heat energy by weight. Consider that a small isopro fuel canister can last a week or more while you might need to carry 14-16 ounces by volume of alcohol for the same time period. It will be different for everyone but a rule of thumb for me is, "if your trip is longer than three days or resupply interval is longer than three days, you're better off with a Pocket Rocket".
Great advice Richard, thank you for sharing that with all of us!
Really appreciate you relaying your [very] practical advice to those of us who are planning our first thru-hike.
These series of videos you have made post-hike have been awesome and the best post-hike videos I've seen! Great insight-great shakedown. I needed a shakedown like this before our 12 day trip this past summer in NM. I had a 60 lb pack wth food & water and way too much stuff (and I took less than recommended to try to cut down)!
I wish I were able to thru hike the AT, but maybe I can section hike. I'm looking into ordering the duplex, Dyneema arc haul, and Zpack down bag right now. Dyneema is a little heavier, but perhaps more durable for more years of use.
Looking forward to watching your other videos!
+swatsullivan Thanks so much for the feedback swat. When I read comments like yours it keeps giving me a lot of incentive and motivation to keep making the best content videos I feel will help out the hiking community.
I've heard good things on the Dyneema line and is probably worth the extra few oz for the extra durability. Hope to see you on the A.T. Or any trail someday!
NM, you say, Philmont? IWTGBTP!
granite gear virgo2 and crown60 are 200$ for the crown and 160$ for the virgo2.. both are ultralight budget priced packs made for thruhiking.. I've found I can outfit a thruhiker for fraction the cost of zpacks and only a lb or so difference.. by if you CAN afford zpacks I'd go for it..top of the line equipment and 100% american made... Sleeping bag.. Enlightened equipment sleeping bag vs zpacks is about $200 difference and EE are top of the line and more customizable than zpacks with minute weight differences.. shelter... six moons design Luna solo or trekker 24 ounce tents for $175- 225$ vs duplex 595$ and 21 ounces..so it IS easy to go ultralight on a budget... 700$ for a sleeping bag pack and tent ...75 ounces. 4 1\2 lbs zpacks 1300$+ 60 ounces just under 4 lbs ....that isn't 100% but very close when compared...zpacks saves a little but the cost is high...you can still save weight but also spend about half.
+matanuska high Thanks Matanuska for the info. You have definitely done your homework on ultralight on a budget. I would like to do a video sometime on comparable ultralight options that are more cost effective for those on a budget. Would you be okay if I used some of the info you gave?
matanuska high : I just got a Granite Gear Crown X60 from Massdrop for $100!! I used a first-time customer coupon of about $25 (regular price was $125). It took forever to get (about three months), but in the end it was a solid purchase that I'm happy I found. For summertime I can ditch the hip-belt, brain, and suspension sheet and it's a 1.5 lbs bag that holds plenty of gear and can be cinched down to a low profile.
Great info...I’m sure EE is fine but UGQ is the most customizable quilt on the market...and their quality is unmatched, especially when it comes to down fill. I haven’t yet had to deal with customer service but online reviewers seem to rave about UGQ’s responsiveness. P.s. I don’t have any affiliation with them...just a fan who has done lots of research for my upcoming PCT 2021 thru hike. Cheers and happy hiking!🏕🏔🌻
My whole backpacking outlook changed when I purchased the scale. I ordered one similar to yours and would recommend one that has a wide, large glass top like that so it's easier to weigh bigger items. Thanks for making this topic the priority of your video since it will change anyone's opinion about their gear after purchasing one
+Snow Pound Thanks snow, agreed!
I live in the U.K. so don't get a chance to do the whole through hike thing. However, we have plenty of long hikes followed by a night of wild camping/Hammock Camping so this video helped a bit. The first hike I did was using my old Army Bergen and total weight was 24kg! I've stripped back a lot by buying a more modern pack and carrying ONLY what I need and leaving the 'luxury' items behind. Good video, many thanks from across the pond.
Thanks so much for doing these post hike videos! It is great to hear about what worked on the trail for you and what you observed with other hikers' gear. It seems a lot of the other popular AT 2017 channels haven't really given much information on their experiences.
+Tom Henderson Thanks TOM. When I was researching everything last year, I ran into that problem a lot. My idea is to take everyone through everything from planning to the actual Hike and post to help out as many as I can. I have a lot more videos I will be doing leading up to March when most folks start the trail.
An awesome video! I appreciate the time you took to organize the information. It's extremely useful! Many thanks!
This is the best information I’ve heard in a long time,New hiker here and this is great.
this is the third time Ive watched your video- your vids are really helpful and I loved watching your through hike! I picked up a 32 degree down bag from Hyke and byke on Amazon that weighs 1.9 lbs and packs down really small in its attached compression straps and cost $99
+Barb Orthmann That's great. Let me know how it holds up, I'm not familiar much with their products. Thanks for sharing and I'm glad my videos are of use!
Im not a through hiker (although it's on the bucket list) so for my purposes it's worked out well. Hard to say whether it would hold up over the long haul. Thanks for responding and keep up the great videos!
1 liter-water weighs approximately 2.2 lbs in the 'merican system, Farva!
Thanks Bigfoot. Planning on doing AT 2018. In the process of tweaking my gear. Plan to breakdown and purchase a Zpack sleeping bag. My base wt is 19 now and looking for ways to decrease total. Your info is most helpful. Great presentation too!
+Kris Rasmusson Thank you Kris!
One of the best videos yet in weight savings, I enjoyed watching your vlogs during your hike. I'm starting this Spring on the AT, and plan on bringing my Zpack sleeping bag and Arc Blast. Again thanks for the useful information.
+Brian Whidden Thanks Brian, I'm glad you found it valuable. When are you starting your Thru-Hike?
From a New York Times article dated January 14, 2013 In 2011, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention studied 91 long-term care facilities. During the winter of 2006-07, they identified 73 outbreaks, 29 of which were confirmed to be norovirus. The facilities where staff members used alcohol-based sanitizers were six times more likely to have an outbreak of norovirus than the facilities where the staff preferred using soap and water. Washing with soap can helps to prevent norovirus
I won't use hand sanitizer since some of them carry poisonous compounds that get into your bloodstream through your skin. They have done tests on people and the chemicals show up in their urine. So I use hydrogen peroxide or alchohol, which I carry in small spray bottles. I keep some in my van and some at home near the front door.
Going to my pre hike gear list now to make some notes and subtract some stuff. Thanks.
+Birdman and Friends Outdoor Adventures Anytime Birdman!
Would you use your down pillow or the sea to summit pillow now that you have tried both?? Curious as to your thoughts. Great video. Second, instead of making noise while you walk through the woods to scar bears, get a bear bell that you attach to your pack. That's what they are made for. Mine is maybe an ounce.
I love your videos they are super helpful!
another great pack is the ULA CDT($145),
I personally use and Ohm2.0($210) as my main pack and love it
Erik Giggey The ULA CDT is my main pack and really enjoy it. I believe my large weighs 19 oz with several items removed. Although, I've heard wonderful things about the Ohm as well as the Zpacks Arc Blast.
I plan on starting around March 15ish ,but depends on work commitments.
Great video. I love my Zpacks gear.
Hi Rory, thank you for sharing all that you’ve learned. I’ve been able to dial the weight of my pack down fairly cheaply by buying some items second hand. The Backpacking Light website has a gear swap page. The weight of one litre of water you quoted is incorrect unless you included the bottle too. It’s 2.2lbs rounded off or 1 kg. Thanks again!
im just curious why you wouldnt put a ground tarp under a 600$ tent, are you guys racing each other through the mountains? no stove for a hot meal on a 6 month hike? seems like some silly decision making on a couple ounces of prevention.
The dyneema that they use for the bathtub floor is a thicker cuben that I didn’t think was necessary to have. I have 3000 miles on the tent and have zero wear or damage to the backtub floor. Just a choice I made and it’s paid off. I do bring a stove on my hikes now...
Sorry, 1 liter of water = 1kg which is 2.2lbs. The whole metric measurement system was designed to set water density equal to one kg per liter
+sgm1960 You're right. I'm not sure why 2.6 lbs was in my head. Thanks for the correction.
Np! You do great videos, keep up the good work!
Lots of good advice! I like your idea of using a smart phone as a camera. It also functions as a GPS device. My question is how many batteries do you carry? When I section hiked Maryland I only saw a couple electrical outlets (usually in state parks). How do you keep your phone charged up for an entire thru hike? I carry 18650 batteries and a small charger. What do you recommend?
I have two small very lightweight solar chargers, and have switched everything to rechargeable batteries.
This is very important to me with my INCH bag.
Very helpful . Thank you. And oh I think I supplied half the the hikers in 2014 . Hit alot of hiker boxes at the beginning and unloaded alot of food.
Also pretty immediately got rid of stove. I do very well with cold food . Of course when in towns hit cooked food! Cheeseburgers!
Excellent information and ideas. I do section hiking on the AT and was looking for ways to lighten my pack because it ways around 23 lbs. with water. Wrote down notes and wow I see the light on the gear I have. Time to make changes before I hike this April. Thanks
Awesome, very happy that it struck a cord with you!!
great video, question if our were going to hike mostly in the Whites, which is what I do would you consider having the free standing option on your Zpack tent since I mostly camp on platform. Also I believe you also have the Arc Blast and Arc Haul if you could only have one which one would you go with, its my understanding they are about the same except the Haul is a little more durable and a few ounces heaver. Thanks
You mentioned you went stove-less. I'd love to see a video on trail food. Thanks again!
+Page Eight Hello Page. I did a video on this about a month ago. Here's the
ruclips.net/video/Be64g9Fb0bk/видео.html
Thanks. I found it, and again, great info.! Thanks!
Awesome. Glad it was helpful!!
Superb video. I might just get the arch blast instead of something that is a bit cheaper.
+ChuckNoctis I loved it. I would go with the Arc Haul when I buy another as it's made of the dyneema which is a couple oz. heavier but is much stronger and worth the wait I believe!
I pack with a Gregory 44,.... I can fit a weeks worth of food and stuff in it. But my tent has to pack on the outside,....until I eat down the food a bit....it’s about 35lbs for a week, depending on type of food I carry.
Liter of water is 2.2 pounds. The 2.65 Lbs reported here must include the container which is more properly reported in your base weight.
One idea that may be useless but still... drill holes in the handle of your trowel and toothbrush. Though be careful that you do not do too much as to effect the structural integrity of the item. It may only shave maybe an ounce or two but it may help. I had a 18 gram toothbrush reduced to 10 gram following the drilled holes trick.
+Neil Badger Good tip. I would probably do that for the tooth brush but my Trowel only weighed 0.5oz and because it was so small and light, it might have effected the purpose of the Trowel. Thanks for the advice, very good!
Big Foot was the thru-hiker I've yet to hear from about the permits need for thru-hike for the A.T., I would like to know more about permits needed for the other trails.
Very helpful video.
Would like to hear more about your "stove-less diet". I share your hate of waiting to eat. Did you do much calories/ounce research when preparing?
I realize I'm kinda off topic but does anybody know of a good site to watch new series online?
@Eduardo Case I watch on Flixzone. You can find it by googling =)
@Eduardo Case i watch on flixzone. Just search on google for it :)
@Eduardo Case I watch on FlixZone. Just search on google for it :)
@Adonis Lochlan yea, I have been watching on Flixzone for months myself =)
great video with a lot of good advice.
Great tips for anyone looking to cut their base weight Bigfoot.
+thenightowldude Thanks!!!
In your next video, can you discuss the food you ate on the trail (breakfast, lunch, dinner), and how you ate/prepared it since you were stove-less? Also, I noticed you had an empty jar to rehydrate food. Can you explain how this was used too?
+Scott Foster Sure thing Scott. I have about 5-6 more videos on the pre/prep Hike and then I will start doing vids on my experiences with food being one of them. Thanks for the advice!
Haha I just used my scales last night to measure. I love my pack but it’s 4 pounds 😕.
You should absolutely be taking weight into account but priority should be comfort. You can get a UL tarp shelter and quilt but if you're a tent and sleeping bag guy then it's not gonna work. Find your comfortable set-up first and get the lightest weight version.
I cannot vouch for the Six Moon Designs Lunar Solo enough. Its basically the same weight as the zpacks tent but made of silnylon rather than cuben fiber and it only cost me $190 with included seam sealing!
I hear a lot of stuff about thru-hiking what about today hikers it's kind of sad that zpacks does not have a phone number so you can have a good customer service relationship and that they single out day hikers because their gears made for thru-hikers but I want to go ultralight anyways cuz I'm older and I've had it band problems and foot problems
Great video. lots of information to think about. Thanks for sharing. I do wish you would have actually weighed everything instead of guessing the weight while talking. We are very much the same on packing though I'm waiting for an upgrade to a Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet pack. Again, Thanks!
Great advice thanks
I found a problem with Zpacks tent is that it's very difficult to set up on a platform. Though I usually manage it when it's required.
Happy Holidays! 😃
Big Agnes has some good options for lightweight shelters as far as a weight and price compromise. Although we all know Zpacks is #1 in gear as far as lightweight goes, they are just expensive ;) Also, check out a cat food can alcohol stove. I used one my entire thru hike and it worked great. Super light, super cheap. You just have to carry around/find denatured alcohol.
Madalyn Clark I don't think those are allowed on certain trails.
What about light-weight light sources? Should I have a headlamp, a flashlight or both? Any recommendations for something that is waterproof, lightweight and reliable?
Black Diamond Ion. Weighs 1.9oz (includes battery weight) 100 lumens and waterproof.
alexa.design/2o110os
Has enough lumens to be practical on the Trail and is about half the weight than most headlamps. I don't think you really need a flash light especially if you are bringing your phone that has a flash light function on it.
I'm getting ready to purchase new pack. Why the Blast over the Haul?
I know My jetboil flash runs around 15.25 oz without the canister. I went with a micro rocket setup that without the canister ran 8 oz. A great tent I found if you are on a budget is the Lightheart gear solong 6. Now its listed as a solo tent but has more than enough room for 2 or one person to spread out. How did your pack hold up to abrasion? I know when I started shopping a few people had a problem with holes and the frame snapping but I hear they got that worked out. I ended up getting a ULA Circuit. Its a little more weight than the Zpacks but still left my big 3 at under 5 lbs.
1L of water is 2.2lbs
+BattleRattle Yeah, someone else made that mention that I stated that. I don't know why I had 2.6 in my head..... too many numbers haha
And it's a liter, not a litter. hahaha I'm a proofing weinie, forgive me. :-) This is one of the most helpful videos I've seen. Thank you!! I'm in the midst of adding weights to my gear spreadsheet, and this has given me a new target...
FYI M A Walker, it's spelt Litre, not Liter.
It's Americanese bloke!
2.2 pounds AND the weight of the bottle!
BigFoot, What is the red shirt you are wearing in this video? Looks good as I don't need a hood..
Thanks, Trail Flea.
A small weight saving I must admit, but maybe you should consider changing where you source your water. In Europe, and the rest of the world, to the best of my knowledge a litre of clean water only weighs 2.2lbs, that's a weight saving of nearly 20%. I'm sorry, I couldn't resist making this tongue in cheek comment. All the best.
was anyone fishing when you went? What basic items did they carry. Collapsable pole or tiny lure box>? Thanks liked your video, gave me some good ideas!
+Jon Maresch Yes, there were parts of the Trail that I saw this. Maine was one of those areas with all the lakes. They had some sort of small collapsable pole and a few lures. One of the guys I hiked with for a few days, Even Keel, was going to pick up a pole when he got to his home state of PA and knew of quite a few places he wanted to fish.
Thanks!
BRILLIANT !!!
Getting rid of the bear spray is not something a lot of people would be able to do until one has had some interaction b/w the various bears you will run into...I certainly can imagine the possibilities without the bear spray even though I realize it will just be dead weight the entire time.
love the video. thanks 4 the info. i remember from your gear video, you were going to take waterproof socks. did you? did they work?
+Amy B Happy Holidays to you as well Amy. I did not bring the socks on the trail. I don't know that I ever would since I wore trail runners and my shoes/feet dried out so fast when they got wet. The socks seemed liked they worked on a couple of small weekend trips I did though.
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I rather take a 12-15g of added water to the fabric then a 50g pack cover
ChuckNoctis it would be considerably more depending on the size of the pack and all the material that water can get into.
You know nothing john snow..
1 liter seriously how do you live on that I climbed Mount kahaten it's the finish point on the at with a little less than three lieters and ran out not horribly but I used all of it I'm going to be taking four liters or a gallon on the 80 hopefully this next summer if everything pans out
At not 80
Question about pack initial weight. I'm thru-hiking with a friend and my pack by itself weighs 5 pounds, but I will not be carrying a tent at all; He will be carrying the tent since he has a much lighter pack. My sleeping bag and pad are both lightweight. Is dropping the tent weight entirely feasible enough to use a 5 pound pack?
+Shane Sims a 5 pound pack is pretty heavy. The tent will balance that out. My guess is that f you take it along he Thru-Hike you will probably decide at sometime that it's too heavy when you see what most Thru-Hikers are carrying and you will want to change on the trail. If you do this at an outfitter you are going to pay a lot more.
If you have some budget I would change it. You can get an affordable pack that weighs below 2 pounds for under 200 bucks or less. If you are into used gear, you can find even better deals. I think it's worth the money to take off 3 pounds off your back for sure
The most easy way to shave weight sorry to say it but $ they charge more for things that weigh less go onto any backpacking site and go over the hundred dollar range you’ll save pounds so it comes down to two things do you have the money to spend and can you afford for your stuff not to last as long if you can buy up if not just don’t carry unnecessary things or lose weight/get in better shape best way to shave 5 or 10 pounds
Do you think the poles are something to consider with the duplex tent ?
+M G Are you referring to trekking poles or purchasing the tent poles from Zpacks for the Duplex?
I'm referring to the tent poles from Zpacks. Is free standing important or not necessary, ie, rocky ground or stakes won't work?
M G Yes, they could be useful if you want to pitch the tent anywhere. You do have some limitations with this and where you can pitch it at times. I'm not sure if I would bring this on a long distance thru-hike. But a section hike and a small thru hike, it would definitely have value for the extra weight. If you don't bring trekking poles then it makes a lot of sense
Thanks Bigfoot, your videos are helpful and enjoyable
ULD Blue Torch Mini and a toakes titanium 850mL is 5oz man
+Crookedfoot Winder I personally choose to go stove-less not for the weight savings, but the time savings with how fast I needed to Hike. A lot of the stove setups now are really light like that you suggest. Thanks for sharing!
So I'm planning on bringing Smartwool nts250 pants (and uppers) as my sleeping gear and just wearing shorts and 4.6 oz Montbell rainpants (may change my mind and go with the 3.6 oz versalites) when its rainy or cold out to hike in...then grabbing the smartwool if its an emergency. Late March start. Once i hit damascus, i plan to send home the rainpants and just use the zpacks rainkilt. Is this overly ambitious?
+Mike Murphy Nope, I think it's doable. The kilt worked great for me when I needed it. For a late March I think you'll be in good shape. Do you have a down jacket that you are bringing?
Right now I have the Arcteryx Cerium SL but I'm seriously debating returning and upgrading to Luke's Ultralite. I think I want a hood and I like the idea of supporting a smaller company. Have the Patagonia R1 Hoody for hiking and again a smartwool 250 long sleeve base for sleeping. Debating moving to a 150 to save weight considering I have an ee 20° quilt. I'm worried I'm a little overkill on clothes.
No sleep pad? What is yellow thing rolled on table?
+Cindy hagat I haven't watched this video in a while but I would assume it's my NeoAir xlite, which is my sleeping pad I used during my AT thru hike and am still currently using.
nice haircut
Interesting that two years later you post a video recommending soap! So I probably won't bring it cause I'm a dirty girl..
Says you don't need to spend a lot of money.
Shows a 600 dollar tent and a 500 dollar pack. OK!
Great Video! Have you ever used a SOL Escape Bivvy as a sleeping bag? 8.5 ounces. Thanks.
+Jason Rushing I haven't. Is that something you have used before? If so, any recommendations?
I have two in my vehicle for emergencies. I have not used them out in the field. I watched a few youtube videos and they seemed to get good reviews. Seemed like a good ultralight option. Thanks.
I hope you're not sleeping with your pack inside your tent. The smells that linger on your bag can be dangerous for you.
I always sleep with my pack when my food and all smelly stuff is hung up. I have not had a problem but that doesn't mean that its the right thing to do and I wouldn't recommend folks on doing that because you do never know.
Just once, I want to hear someone say “want a lighter pack? Get a stronger back.”
I'm trying.
Ounces equals pounds and pounds equals pain.
Much respect to Bigfoot but too much Z-packs. There’s plenty of companies making quality gear. There’s no reason everyone should end up using Zpacks. It’s just group think. This is basically a long ad for Zpacks. Are they y are paying you for this advertising? If not, why are you plugging them so hard?
"Spend money" video
Non è un canale per vecchi. You are correct. I get a bit tired of the only brand to use is Zpacks. I'm sure it's good but I only go backpacking once a year for 4 days. I love it but my Kelty 3 lbs sleeping bag was $40. My 4 lbs Tent was $75. My 4 lbs Kelty backpack was $150. I think for a 5 lbs cost in weight I saved $1000. I can afford and justify buying a titanium pot, stove, and spoon but I can't Justify the price of Zpacks for everything even though it's good stuff.
Provides good info....however
He just doesnt get to the point quick enough ...and pauses after every other word 🤯
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