For smaller stuff, and many other uses, I love the flexible metal rubber coated twisty ties. Found some at home depot. Tied my umbrella to the rear rack one day and they did great!
Nice video! I came across Rok straps from the motorcycling world and thought I was really cleaver when I starting using them to strap stuff to my bicycle's rear rack. Great suggestions Russ!
Do not forget the humble bungee cord. Another low cost option is surplus canvas straps that "in the old days" we used to use to tie sleeping bags and other eqipment to rucksacks.
Good information here. I haven't tried using straps yet. For me, while on tours and commuting, I use panniers. If I'm carrying anything on the top of the rack, i'll use the rubber bungees found in hardware stores.
Ah and not a mention of the hateful bungee cord, nearly took my eye out with one a few years ago. However, there always in your Dad's shed and he'll insist on giving you a dozen before you go when you mention you even need strapping. Great video as always however !
There was a fatality here in Australia many years back involving a bungee cord. A trolley boy on his first day used one to hold the trolley's together and it recoiled back hitting him in the head. Saddest part was his father bought the cord for him.
Super-useful video, Russ! Carrying stuff on your bike is what makes bikes EVEN MORE USEFUL. Leather toestraps are nice (well, unless you're the cow...) but the woven nylon ones can usually be had for free (with another purchase!) from bike shops. They STILL come with some new bikes in the UK (due to an antiquated British Standard which also, bizarrely, involves front derailers) but noöne ever wants them on their actual pedals. My life is literally held together by cheap toestraps.
I see someone else mentioned 550 paracord (my go-to for big or unwieldy objects) but I have to give a shout out to my other saviour: velcro cable ties. Plenty of widths, lengths, and colors out there. They aren't fantastic in super wet conditions but I'll take them over a bungie any day.
Great video... I use the self stick Velcro... the new stuff is pretty good and doesn't have the abrasive feel that the old stuff had... works well and strong too
3:55 What did you call those side-mini-rack things? Anchors? Bowtie anchors? I'm new to all this and trying to find something like that here in Europe. ;)
Thanks, didn't know about these and will give them a try. Two other options that are different, perhaps better for different uses: Nite Ize Gear Tie's, essentially giant twist ties. Good stiffness for structural stability in loads. When I need more elasticity, I like Cargo Net, or flat elastic straps, but with one big caveat: *Lose the open hooks*!, which are extremely dangerous. Instead, swap the hooks out for carabiners, which close firmly.
It occured to me on my commute home that you may have mentioned duct tape, but that I don't recall you saying anything about ducts annoying little brother - electrical tape - he may be small and nothing like as sticky and a bit lacking in tensile strength, but don't underate his tenacity - use enough of him and you can strap bottle cages to forks and hundreds of miles later they will still be just as firmly held and when you remove them there is nothing left behind. The power cable off my dynamo is strapped on with a couple of layers of leccy tape thats been on for nigh on 8 years and it still looks perfect.
I just strapped a 14" childs bike to the rack on my bike, had to be creative with chord, a couple of old innertubes as large elastic bands and two belts from my jeans, it feels secure, not going anywhere, just the actual hauling it uphill for over a mile, but I can always just ush if I am too puny! lol. Be interesting cycling around with a bike attatched to my bike, sure to get some looks as people here don't generally carry anything on bikes outside a shopping bag over the bars or a backpack- think I've seen someone else with panniers once, but never such a large awkward load!
I use lots and lots of toe clip straps for all manner of things. Generally speaking, I try to stuff everything in the panniers and keep a handlebar bag mostly clear except for essentials and then a rack top bag gets extras thrown in for times such as picking up extra food at the shops.
Wondeful video Russ - pedal straps are the original removable zip tie. I did say cyclists have been strapping stuff to there bikes for years.... I just didn't use the potty language :.)
Thanks for the video. I was looking for an alternative to bungee cords and now I think I've found it. I'm going with the leather straps unless there was something you didn't mention about the down sides of the leather straps. Thanks again
@Path Less Pedaled Hi there. I am wondering if you have come across a frame mounted tie down system? Similar to what you would have with a truck bed. Something to be able to cross strap quickly using rope, or paracord etc...Hooks you could attach and then string rope like you would tie down to a trailer. Thank you!
Good video. Didn't even know about some of them. My first tour I used short bungee cords to hold my gear on the rear rack. If there to long just tie a knot or two in them. Going to have to try some of those new fangled ones.😊😊 Take care, Al
At the risk of being an off-topic Oliver, I have a strap tip - always use them on your commuter backpack - otherwise the zip is burdened by the load, and the zip's the weakest part of the system. You'll be at least halving the life of your vessel. I've gone through three backpacks in two years, and they were all zip effups. I'm a slow learner. Still, mustn't blub.
It would be very helpful if you showed exactly how to thread and 'lock' each of those strap options. If someone did not know that coming in (i.e. me) they would still not now after.
hookless bungees - you did a video on them a while back - adjustable, safer etc. Old inner tubes can be a nice cheap option - many creative ways to use them with knots, loops, etc.
How about using an old inner tube tied to the rack? Doesn't scratch, stretchy but tight, easily adjustable and flexible in configuration, and free. Skinny road bike ones are stretchier than mt. bike ones, so go down to the bike shop and see what they'll give you, and you'll have straps for all occasions.
So for us humble city bikers, what the heck do we do with the John's Irish strap and/or the Rok when we are NOT using it? I saw another vid (cycling gal rad something) about looping the Rok around the seat pole, but ... what about the John's strap and other ideas in general? Thanks!
@@PathLessPedaledTV Thank you! I really appreciate the time you take to make these videos. The beauty of bungees is that you can leave them on and then just lift them up when you have something to tote. I will keep looking because while removing them when not in use is one perfectly viable option, when you need something spur of the moment and you don't have them, that can create a bit of a problem. Thanks again!
Next: How to attach and carry regular bags on different bike racks. There's seriously close to none content about it out there. There's always panniers and bike bags, but for regular people who want to use their regular bags and put it on their bikes while riding, it would be really helpful. There are many videos on front and rear racks but almost no one talks about how to carry or attach regular bags on bike racks. Of course, there's the one and only strap any bag or stuff with bungee cord on the rack, but I'd love to see other options.
The milk crate is a classic combo with nearly any rear rack! Attach via radiator hose clamps for a durable catch-all basket, but leave a little space between the crate and the seat for your bum. Go tech with a fold-down version; more aero when empty, but not nearly as strong. And open hook bungees should be retired from civilization, like lawn darts!
I am now curious PLP - You said you haven't driven a car in over a decade. Do you use your bikes for grocery shopping? If so what do you use to carry it?
As an person who lives in a motorhome, tying things down is kind of an obsession. One of my favorite tools is the simple ball bungee. I get mine at a swap meet in AZ that has a lot of tarp supplies. Bit here's a source. www.tarpsupply.com/ballbungees.html. They can be daisy chained and come in several lengths. All of our bikes have at least a couple wrapped on somewhere.
I've daisy chained a couple of short voile straps together before getting longer ones. Those XL Voile strap are so BIG. I thought I was seeing things. Another great video. Thanks for all the work.
@@blackwatch_TV If expensive sport specific advice is good advice to you then you should say it directly to the creator. However as an individual that has their own options I can say what I choose. If you choose to support the channel from passive aggressive comments then we just have different ways of communicating. To me paying >8 dollars per for a bike specific straps that is one-sport specific is a bit asinine. Basically. You do you.
I'm actually doing this for my next trip. I've already bought a cheap roll of paracord and have already learned a few useful knots. I tried tying my tent poles to my bar bag with it and it worked pretty well.
@@waisinglee1509 So you are saying that because Voile were originally developed for something else makes it "more better?" Therefore since modern braided rope was invented in the ~1700's and twisted rope prehistorical and was used for the securing of everything in humanity makes it the best choice.
Do you typically bike through the winter in Missoula, Russ? I'm trying to ride all year here in Ontario but I find our winters make it really difficult.
Yes. Rode all last winter. Gearing up for this winter. Going to have a slew of reviews soon on boots, studded tires, etc., It is definitely demoralizing tho.
@@PathLessPedaledTV Nice, I can't wait. I want to purchase a fat bike so I don't put my regular bike through such harsh conditions. It's so tempting to just splurge on a Norco Bigfoot (seen a few used models on sale) but I know I need to wait for now. I just find winter months depressing in Canada, so being able to still enjoy a few of my hobbies would help to alleviate the gloominess for me. Would be interesting to see a video on winter commuting (I'm sure you've already covered many things though). I'm mainly curious about how you deal with traffic, snow plows, etc. I know I would probably get a lot of criticism from vehicles if I bike to work in the winter. Partially the reason why I decided to get a reliable winter truck before getting a fat bike (family urged me). Honestly, it may be silly but I'd rather have a fat bike.
I just wanted to add... Consider using a regular belts for pants. So much more options out there as well. And/ or carry some paragon and learn some strap knots.
HELP ME OUT HERE! i have a regular rear pannier rack , and i need to transport 2x 700c rims and a fork , someone teach me how to secure it to my bike......im trying not to use my bag
Only if you already have a fork with several mounting points, then a pair of Paul’s Bow ties and a set of belay straps might do you well for a short trip. Their cups aren’t at all strong. With the above, strap on a proper tapered vessel and drop your paper McD into it.
I can’t believe I just enjoyed watching a video about bike packing straps and how to use them. More classic PLP content.
Same here Andrew! I started to close it and move on but couldn't turn away, lol! Glad I didn't.
You can definitely daisy chain Voile Straps.
For smaller stuff, and many other uses, I love the flexible metal rubber coated twisty ties. Found some at home depot. Tied my umbrella to the rear rack one day and they did great!
Nice video! I came across Rok straps from the motorcycling world and thought I was really cleaver when I starting using them to strap stuff to my bicycle's rear rack. Great suggestions Russ!
Never thought I'd watch a video about strap ons.
Such a strapping young man...
lmao it took me a second
I love voile straps! The simplicity, genius.
We use bailing twine. It's basically just rope, but if you live in a rural area, it's quite abundant.
Do not forget the humble bungee cord. Another low cost option is surplus canvas straps that "in the old days" we used to use to tie sleeping bags and other eqipment to rucksacks.
Good information here. I haven't tried using straps yet. For me, while on tours and commuting, I use panniers. If I'm carrying anything on the top of the rack, i'll use the rubber bungees found in hardware stores.
Ah and not a mention of the hateful bungee cord, nearly took my eye out with one a few years ago. However, there always in your Dad's shed and he'll insist on giving you a dozen before you go when you mention you even need strapping.
Great video as always however !
Yeah. Have whacked myself on the head with a bungee before. Not a fan.
One of my great fears!
Not to mention one of them getting loose and hooking into the spokes.
Yeah, the metal hook hit me a centimetre from the eye, a few days ago. Probably never using them again so this video is really useful.
There was a fatality here in Australia many years back involving a bungee cord. A trolley boy on his first day used one to hold the trolley's together and it recoiled back hitting him in the head. Saddest part was his father bought the cord for him.
Never heard of Rok straps. Just purchased thanks to your recommendation. Thanks.
Super-useful video, Russ! Carrying stuff on your bike is what makes bikes EVEN MORE USEFUL.
Leather toestraps are nice (well, unless you're the cow...) but the woven nylon ones can usually be had for free (with another purchase!) from bike shops. They STILL come with some new bikes in the UK (due to an antiquated British Standard which also, bizarrely, involves front derailers) but noöne ever wants them on their actual pedals.
My life is literally held together by cheap toestraps.
FYI, the Voile straps daisy chain together real good!
I see someone else mentioned 550 paracord (my go-to for big or unwieldy objects) but I have to give a shout out to my other saviour: velcro cable ties. Plenty of widths, lengths, and colors out there. They aren't fantastic in super wet conditions but I'll take them over a bungie any day.
Great video... I use the self stick Velcro... the new stuff is pretty good and doesn't have the abrasive feel that the old stuff had... works well and strong too
Me too..excellent
3:55 What did you call those side-mini-rack things? Anchors? Bowtie anchors? I'm new to all this and trying to find something like that here in Europe. ;)
Thanks to your video, I found inspiration to tie my children school bags!
Thanks, didn't know about these and will give them a try. Two other options that are different, perhaps better for different uses: Nite Ize Gear Tie's, essentially giant twist ties. Good stiffness for structural stability in loads. When I need more elasticity, I like Cargo Net, or flat elastic straps, but with one big caveat: *Lose the open hooks*!, which are extremely dangerous. Instead, swap the hooks out for carabiners, which close firmly.
It occured to me on my commute home that you may have mentioned duct tape, but that I don't recall you saying anything about ducts annoying little brother - electrical tape - he may be small and nothing like as sticky and a bit lacking in tensile strength, but don't underate his tenacity - use enough of him and you can strap bottle cages to forks and hundreds of miles later they will still be just as firmly held and when you remove them there is nothing left behind. The power cable off my dynamo is strapped on with a couple of layers of leccy tape thats been on for nigh on 8 years and it still looks perfect.
I just strapped a 14" childs bike to the rack on my bike, had to be creative with chord, a couple of old innertubes as large elastic bands and two belts from my jeans, it feels secure, not going anywhere, just the actual hauling it uphill for over a mile, but I can always just ush if I am too puny! lol. Be interesting cycling around with a bike attatched to my bike, sure to get some looks as people here don't generally carry anything on bikes outside a shopping bag over the bars or a backpack- think I've seen someone else with panniers once, but never such a large awkward load!
I use lots and lots of toe clip straps for all manner of things. Generally speaking, I try to stuff everything in the panniers and keep a handlebar bag mostly clear except for essentials and then a rack top bag gets extras thrown in for times such as picking up extra food at the shops.
Small cam-jams with bungies and rolls of velcro straps. Always worked for me.
Wondeful video Russ - pedal straps are the original removable zip tie. I did say cyclists have been strapping stuff to there bikes for years.... I just didn't use the potty language :.)
Good stuff Russ! Strong straps keep it all together (bungees often fail). Very helpful! Thank you. Request: Bike review of Surly Bridge Club please.
Canadian Jam Knot using cordage. Works great. Quick undo. Very secure. Very light, and easily replaceable. Cost next to nothing.
Great info. Now, all I need to know is where I can purchase these items.
A Basket/cargo net bungee is simple and useful for everyday needs. :)
This is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you!
Thanks for the video. I was looking for an alternative to bungee cords and now I think I've found it. I'm going with the leather straps unless there was something you didn't mention about the down sides of the leather straps. Thanks again
Cargo nets are my favorite accessory for affixing things to racks.
@Path Less Pedaled Hi there. I am wondering if you have come across a frame mounted tie down system? Similar to what you would have with a truck bed. Something to be able to cross strap quickly using rope, or paracord etc...Hooks you could attach and then string rope like you would tie down to a trailer.
Thank you!
Good video. Didn't even know about some of them. My first tour I used short bungee cords to hold my gear on the rear rack. If there to long just tie a knot or two in them. Going to have to try some of those new fangled ones.😊😊 Take care, Al
At the risk of being an off-topic Oliver, I have a strap tip - always use them on your commuter backpack - otherwise the zip is burdened by the load, and the zip's the weakest part of the system. You'll be at least halving the life of your vessel. I've gone through three backpacks in two years, and they were all zip effups. I'm a slow learner. Still, mustn't blub.
just daisy chained voile straps this morning! definitely works great.
It would be very helpful if you showed exactly how to thread and 'lock' each of those strap options. If someone did not know that coming in (i.e. me) they would still not now after.
hookless bungees - you did a video on them a while back - adjustable, safer etc. Old inner tubes can be a nice cheap option - many creative ways to use them with knots, loops, etc.
+1 on the old inner tubes
I still like my bungee cords. Haven't had one fail yet... maybe because I don't over stress them?
How about using an old inner tube tied to the rack? Doesn't scratch, stretchy but tight, easily adjustable and flexible in configuration, and free. Skinny road bike ones are stretchier than mt. bike ones, so go down to the bike shop and see what they'll give you, and you'll have straps for all occasions.
This is what i needed to see!
Love strapping things to my bike. Do you have a vid of that Jones bike setup? Looks cool. Happy trails Russ!
So for us humble city bikers, what the heck do we do with the John's Irish strap and/or the Rok when we are NOT using it? I saw another vid (cycling gal rad something) about looping the Rok around the seat pole, but ... what about the John's strap and other ideas in general? Thanks!
Put it in a bag.
@@PathLessPedaledTV Thank you! I really appreciate the time you take to make these videos. The beauty of bungees is that you can leave them on and then just lift them up when you have something to tote. I will keep looking because while removing them when not in use is one perfectly viable option, when you need something spur of the moment and you don't have them, that can create a bit of a problem. Thanks again!
Russ you're a wealth of information
Next: How to attach and carry regular bags on different bike racks. There's seriously close to none content about it out there. There's always panniers and bike bags, but for regular people who want to use their regular bags and put it on their bikes while riding, it would be really helpful. There are many videos on front and rear racks but almost no one talks about how to carry or attach regular bags on bike racks. Of course, there's the one and only strap any bag or stuff with bungee cord on the rack, but I'd love to see other options.
Put it in a basket. ruclips.net/video/5xJszeveYgo/видео.html
One bike I have a milk crate on top of a rear rack.... my dad uses side mounted folding wald baskets....(one on each side)
The milk crate is a classic combo with nearly any rear rack! Attach via radiator hose clamps for a durable catch-all basket, but leave a little space between the crate and the seat for your bum. Go tech with a fold-down version; more aero when empty, but not nearly as strong. And open hook bungees should be retired from civilization, like lawn darts!
Old inner tubes. 700c skinny road bike ones work best. Knots don't slip, pretty strong, fairly durable.
Hi, what is the strap mount at 3:57 ?
Wow-strap stowing made fun & easy! How about a list?
Surly Junk straps are like extra-long nylon toe straps and also useful
I am now curious PLP - You said you haven't driven a car in over a decade. Do you use your bikes for grocery shopping? If so what do you use to carry it?
Panniers or a backpack.
I ride my bike to and from school everyday 2.4 miles each trip and my back gets very sweaty because of my backpack
the velco straps from an air cast are really good.
We would buy 550 paracord and use slip knots for bikepacking 10 years ago. So many better reusable options now!
As an person who lives in a motorhome, tying things down is kind of an obsession. One of my favorite tools is the simple ball bungee. I get mine at a swap meet in AZ that has a lot of tarp supplies. Bit here's a source. www.tarpsupply.com/ballbungees.html.
They can be daisy chained and come in several lengths. All of our bikes have at least a couple wrapped on somewhere.
Panniers. Yer ok I must be reaaalllllly old... always like watching 😂🚲
I've daisy chained a couple of short voile straps together before getting longer ones. Those XL Voile strap are so BIG. I thought I was seeing things. Another great video. Thanks for all the work.
How about some rope and basic knots (i.e. truckers hitch, fig 8 etc)?
How about accepting this good advice and giving the creator kudos
@@blackwatch_TV If expensive sport specific advice is good advice to you then you should say it directly to the creator. However as an individual that has their own options I can say what I choose. If you choose to support the channel from passive aggressive comments then we just have different ways of communicating.
To me paying >8 dollars per for a bike specific straps that is one-sport specific is a bit asinine.
Basically. You do you.
@@eolle43 Actually, the Voile straps were not originally meant for bikepacking or even biking at all!
I'm actually doing this for my next trip. I've already bought a cheap roll of paracord and have already learned a few useful knots. I tried tying my tent poles to my bar bag with it and it worked pretty well.
@@waisinglee1509 So you are saying that because Voile were originally developed for something else makes it "more better?" Therefore since modern braided rope was invented in the ~1700's and twisted rope prehistorical and was used for the securing of everything in humanity makes it the best choice.
Do you typically bike through the winter in Missoula, Russ? I'm trying to ride all year here in Ontario but I find our winters make it really difficult.
Yes. Rode all last winter. Gearing up for this winter. Going to have a slew of reviews soon on boots, studded tires, etc., It is definitely demoralizing tho.
@@PathLessPedaledTV Nice, I can't wait. I want to purchase a fat bike so I don't put my regular bike through such harsh conditions. It's so tempting to just splurge on a Norco Bigfoot (seen a few used models on sale) but I know I need to wait for now. I just find winter months depressing in Canada, so being able to still enjoy a few of my hobbies would help to alleviate the gloominess for me. Would be interesting to see a video on winter commuting (I'm sure you've already covered many things though). I'm mainly curious about how you deal with traffic, snow plows, etc. I know I would probably get a lot of criticism from vehicles if I bike to work in the winter. Partially the reason why I decided to get a reliable winter truck before getting a fat bike (family urged me). Honestly, it may be silly but I'd rather have a fat bike.
Read Frostbike : The Joy, Pain and Numbness of Winter Cycling by Tom Babin - paperback or kindle.... oh and Tom's a Canuck.
Great video as always mate
Ps that's me requesting Kona send you the rove st 😂😂😂
Can you do a video on those Coronado tires?
Can anybody link me to those "bowite anchers"?
good work! nice watch.
interesting thank you. Straps and Strapmen.
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What rear rack is that?
I just wanted to add...
Consider using a regular belts for pants. So much more options out there as well.
And/ or carry some paragon and learn some strap knots.
I use bungee cords to strap my backpack on my rack.
HELP ME OUT HERE!
i have a regular rear pannier rack , and i need to transport 2x 700c rims and a fork , someone teach me how to secure it to my bike......im trying not to use my bag
Across the top of the rack with some bungees.
Don't forget custom lengths of self-adhering Velcro...
Best solution to carry more than 1 Sturbucks Cup.
Thermos :)
I cant believe you didn't mention bungie cords lol
This was meant to look beyond bungees.
Also, generally not a fan of bungees since they are fixed length/elasticity and have more than once whacked myself with the hook.
Path Less Pedaled agree with you, bungee cords are pretty rubbish unless you use a bungee net
What can I say..Thank you! ;)
👍
Totally bad @$$ vid
Awesome
I usually just use duct tape
If that works for you, great!
!
I just need to know how to carry drinks from McDonald's. And this video doesn't help at all.
Only if you already have a fork with several mounting points, then a pair of Paul’s Bow ties and a set of belay straps might do you well for a short trip. Their cups aren’t at all strong. With the above, strap on a proper tapered vessel and drop your paper McD into it.
No driving for 10 years? Now you’re just bragging;)