To paraphrase, _"The Unborn is unfindable, ungraspable, unspeakable or inconceivable. It is all what it is - right in front of your eyes!"_ , Tang Dynasty Zen Master *Matsu* said. 😊🙏🙇♂️🌷
I have loved the Unborn since I first fell into it so many years ago. Thank you for this extraordinary transmission! I will be sharing it with all of my satsang friends in celebration of Dec. 8th 2020. 🙏❤🙏
Thank you for posting this video. One of the things that always bothered me about Zen was the fact that most books said it takes many years to see our true nature. Bodhidharma staring at a wall for nine years. Hakuin too said it was hard arduous journey. Before Bankei, Huineng was the closest to natural Zen practice. But Bankei, he was the one who knew how habits formed. Hence his 30 days of practicing being in the unborn so resonates with me.
Yes. It doesn't have to take so long to get a first understanding - we have hundreds of people every year get it on our "Breakthrough to Zen" retreats. But, of course, that's a beginning, not an end.
@@Zenways_zen Could the beginning not also be the end as long as one has faith? It is popularly thought that there is no place for faith in zen, however, Rinzai often spoke of faith, 'Because you have no faith in this, you are entangled and tied into knots.' and 'You of little faith, you never have rest.' If you have doubt before or after insight of anatta/ dharmakaya then, 'you never have rest' or 'that's a beginning, not an end.'
Thanks very much for this teaching. In the Japanese post-Hakuin world there seems to be so much emphasis on discipline, training and attaining. Hakuin's 'reign' was only one generation after Bankei but unfortunately he decried 'sitting in the unborn' so fervently that the zen you find in all Japanese Rinzai monasteries these days is based on the discipline and koan system emulating Hakuin and in Japan Bankei is relatively unknown. Avalokiteshvara 'Perceived that all skandhas in their own being are empty and was saved from all suffering'... 'No attainment, with nothing to attain'. Zen is at it's core a wisdom teaching (prajna). Huangbo (Obaku), who was Lin-chi's teacher, taught 'What sort of thing is enlightenment that you would want to cultivate it?' and after being asked the question 'Masters all over China have taught that one should practice Chan and study enlightenment' replied 'These are sayings to entice those of dull capabilities and are totally unreliable.' 'To simply right now suddenly comprehend that one's own mind is fundamentally Buddha, without there being a single dharma one can attain and without there being a single practice one can cultivate- this is the insurpassable enlightenment, this is the Buddha of suchness.' Daizan, your 'it's a matter of becoming familiar, of making this a habitual orientation of your life' seems to be much more in accord with insight, prajna zen.
Thank you Philip, my own teacher stressed both approaches - horses for courses. I don't know of any other teacher who works that way but it seems to work.
Wrong. We don't have any unborn nature at all. The way that is phrased makes Buddhism no different than Hinduism or any other monotheistic religions and that we have a self. Which is completely contradict to what the Buddha taught.
“Atthi, bhikkhave, ajātaṃ abhūtaṃ akataṃ asaṅkhataṃ. No cetaṃ, bhikkhave, abhavissa ajātaṃ abhūtaṃ akataṃ asaṅkhataṃ, nayidha jātassa bhūtassa katassa saṅkhatassa nissaraṇaṃ paññāyetha." Udana 8.3 "“There is, monks, an unborn, unbecome, unmade, unconditioned. If, monks there were not that unborn, unbecome, unmade, unconditioned, you could not know an escape here from the born, become, made, and conditioned."
Magnificent.
Thank you so much Fernando 🙏
To paraphrase,
_"The Unborn is unfindable, ungraspable, unspeakable or inconceivable. It is all what it is - right in front of your eyes!"_ , Tang Dynasty Zen Master *Matsu* said.
😊🙏🙇♂️🌷
Exactly!
Gratitude 🙏
You're very welcome.
Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.
After enlightenment, chop wood carry water.
“Wash your bowl!”
Wonderful, thank you.
You're very welcome.
The unborn, unoriginated, uncreated. All of Ajahn Sumedho’s talks pivot on this theme which he comes back to again and again. Thanks for the video ✌🏼
You're very welcome.
Yes! Ajhan Sumedho in his teachings constantly reminds us of our nature. His podcast 2018_Day-6_-_Q&A is particularly concise.
I have loved the Unborn since I first fell into it so many years ago. Thank you for this extraordinary transmission! I will be sharing it with all of my satsang friends in celebration of Dec. 8th 2020. 🙏❤🙏
You are so welcome!
Well said!
You're very welcome
Thank you for posting this video.
One of the things that always bothered me about Zen was the fact that most books said it takes many years to see our true nature. Bodhidharma staring at a wall for nine years. Hakuin too said it was hard arduous journey. Before Bankei, Huineng was the closest to natural Zen practice. But Bankei, he was the one who knew how habits formed. Hence his 30 days of practicing being in the unborn so resonates with me.
Yes. It doesn't have to take so long to get a first understanding - we have hundreds of people every year get it on our "Breakthrough to Zen" retreats. But, of course, that's a beginning, not an end.
@@Zenways_zen Could the beginning not also be the end as long as one has faith? It is popularly thought that there is no place for faith in zen, however, Rinzai often spoke of faith, 'Because you have no faith in this, you are entangled and tied into knots.' and 'You of little faith, you never have rest.' If you have doubt before or after insight of anatta/ dharmakaya then, 'you never have rest' or 'that's a beginning, not an end.'
🙏Thank you. You are so crystal clear, and i feel your openness and clarity. You seem like å exelente teacher.
Thank you! 😃
Brilliant
Thank you.
Thanks very much for this teaching. In the Japanese post-Hakuin world there seems to be so much emphasis on discipline, training and attaining. Hakuin's 'reign' was only one generation after Bankei but unfortunately he decried 'sitting in the unborn' so fervently that the zen you find in all Japanese Rinzai monasteries these days is based on the discipline and koan system emulating Hakuin and in Japan Bankei is relatively unknown.
Avalokiteshvara 'Perceived that all skandhas in their own being are empty and was saved from all suffering'... 'No attainment, with nothing to attain'. Zen is at it's core a wisdom teaching (prajna). Huangbo (Obaku), who was Lin-chi's teacher, taught 'What sort of thing is enlightenment that you would want to cultivate it?' and after being asked the question 'Masters all over China have taught that one should practice Chan and study enlightenment' replied 'These are sayings to entice those of dull capabilities and are totally unreliable.' 'To simply right now suddenly comprehend that one's own mind is fundamentally Buddha, without there being a single dharma one can attain and without there being a single practice one can cultivate- this is the insurpassable enlightenment, this is the Buddha of suchness.'
Daizan, your 'it's a matter of becoming familiar, of making this a habitual orientation of your life' seems to be much more in accord with insight, prajna zen.
Thank you Philip, my own teacher stressed both approaches - horses for courses. I don't know of any other teacher who works that way but it seems to work.
What is a good book about Bankei?
I recommend, Haskell, "Bankei Zen" and Wadell, "The Unborn". We also have some translations from Bankei in "Practical Zen"
@@Zenways_zen thanks!
Wrong. We don't have any unborn nature at all. The way that is phrased makes Buddhism no different than Hinduism or any other monotheistic religions and that we have a self. Which is completely contradict to what the Buddha taught.
“Atthi, bhikkhave, ajātaṃ abhūtaṃ akataṃ asaṅkhataṃ. No cetaṃ, bhikkhave, abhavissa ajātaṃ abhūtaṃ akataṃ asaṅkhataṃ, nayidha jātassa bhūtassa katassa saṅkhatassa nissaraṇaṃ paññāyetha." Udana 8.3
"“There is, monks, an unborn, unbecome, unmade, unconditioned. If, monks there were not that unborn, unbecome, unmade, unconditioned, you could not know an escape here from the born, become, made, and conditioned."
The Unborn 'Nature' is our Buddha Nature. Bankei was a Zen Master.