Building a BETTER BIOSYN DINOSAUR SANCTUARY | Jurassic World Evolution 2 Dominion Biosyn DLC

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  • Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024

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  • @EvolutionSquare
    @EvolutionSquare  2 года назад +86

    Thanks for checking out the video! If you want to see more of this sanctuary, stay tuned! A full video tour* is coming soon!
    Featuring a bit of a return of The Sarcastic Tour Driver (but she's been promoted)
    PS: getting many mixed messages about the "piece limit".
    1. I get many, many stories of people's parks breaking because they placed too many decorations. Some could save the parks by deleting many decorations, for others the save file couldn't be rescued. Maybe "piece limit" is the wrong term, because it's not like the species limit for example. But having "too many pieces" seems to be a risk to your park save file.
    2. Now some people are telling me "piece limit has been removed" (but at the same time, also still getting comments from people having their parks break due to too many pieces)
    3. When I asked if anybody could link/screenshot the announcement of the piece limit apparently being removed, I only got reactions saying: "there never was a piece limit"
    So I have no idea what is going on.

  • @brostrait17
    @brostrait17 2 года назад +195

    I hope they add something like caves in this game because I had a really cool swamp exhibit idea with a cave for the Dimetrodon

    • @horizonzeromom
      @horizonzeromom 2 года назад +16

      I'd love to be able to manipulate the terrain in JWE2 like I can in Planet Zoo/Coaster to create caves!!!

    • @KL8T0N_SLU2HIE
      @KL8T0N_SLU2HIE 2 года назад +3

      Yea

    • @dinomon1018
      @dinomon1018 2 года назад +2

      Nice amount of likes

    • @ohdeargroove6318
      @ohdeargroove6318 Год назад +1

      damn shame it hasn’t came out yet, what a sick idea this is

    • @Neroizawsome
      @Neroizawsome Год назад +1

      same

  • @ra3ve733
    @ra3ve733 2 года назад +103

    Once again Evo doesn’t disappoint with the insane builds.

  • @mrbojangles9348
    @mrbojangles9348 2 года назад +62

    I really think Frontier should consider adding the Aerial deterrence system in so that we can build parks with free-roaming Pterosaurs. Personally I want them to continue releasing DLCs with more to add to the BioSyn campaign. Considering we got both a Fallen Kingdom Campaign and a Return to Jurassic Park campaign in Evolution 1, I actually really hope they just continue making new "Chapters" for the BioSyn Campaign, where they can add heaps of new accurate Dinosaurs and new functionality. Given that BioSyn pride themselves on their accurate dinosaurs, it is really a good step to have more feathered dinosaurs and more accurate-meets-jurassic aesthetic. Plus we could get more hyper-loop functionality, helicopter tours, aerial deterrence system for free-roaming pterosaurs and an expanding Campaign story.

    • @Woopor
      @Woopor Год назад +2

      I’m pretty sure that invisible fences already keep the pterosaurs in

    • @hehehehaw8346
      @hehehehaw8346 10 месяцев назад

      ​@Woopor wait for real? How do u get the invisible fences?

    • @hehehehaw8346
      @hehehehaw8346 10 месяцев назад

      That's actually smart!😮

  • @bunnytheguy5043
    @bunnytheguy5043 2 года назад +21

    For anyone that is curious or maybe doesn't know. On console if you choose Biosyn. It comes paired with DFW. Buildings, attractions and decorations. Anything that Biosyn is missing, DFW makes up for. Also, remember, DFW has its tour now. Biosyn combined with DFW also just works well together, So that's a plus.

    • @ActualCody
      @ActualCody 2 года назад +1

      how would you get access to the perches tho? or is that not on console

    • @Stolenbysandw908
      @Stolenbysandw908 Год назад

      @@ActualCodyits on every build style on old gen consoles

    • @RiskierGlue
      @RiskierGlue Год назад +1

      @@ActualCodyit’s in the decorations section

  • @thearchivist3610
    @thearchivist3610 2 года назад +78

    This dlc added some of the greatest opportunities for the community and I can’t wait to see what happens in the future.

    • @xxriotthewolfxx2567
      @xxriotthewolfxx2567 2 года назад +1

      I'm just at mad no Moro's... I loved that little dude!

    • @Stephen0Stevie0
      @Stephen0Stevie0 2 года назад +3

      Well with the jurassic park franchise now concluded what will be next? Aquatics needs more love now, a little old still great seeing the aquatic dinos but .... the lagoons are meh the variety now is meh . needs an aquatic update .

    • @xxriotthewolfxx2567
      @xxriotthewolfxx2567 2 года назад

      @Dino Boy I don't know... BUT I WANT THEM! We have Compy's so why not just give us those little lads

    • @thearchivist3610
      @thearchivist3610 2 года назад +1

      @@Stephen0Stevie0 the community has been keen since the launch of the game for customizable lagoons so who knows. Could happen if frontier decides so

    • @thearchivist3610
      @thearchivist3610 2 года назад +1

      @@xxriotthewolfxx2567 yes, I think more feathered species as well as moros should be added, and probably will be

  • @Baghesaurus
    @Baghesaurus 2 года назад +27

    100/10 building, you are one of the most talented builders I have ever seen. Keep making these amazing builds that look amazing. :D

  • @nobodyimportant2082
    @nobodyimportant2082 Год назад +2

    This is perfect. You're perfect. I downloaded this due to ps+ only a few days ago randomly and here we are. I'm not sure if I'll be able to touch anything else for the next several months. Who knew! Never even heard of this until now.

  • @alpharaptor7185
    @alpharaptor7185 2 года назад +2

    Stunning build!! I loved the nature of it! Something I like to do is create dinosaur only maps to replicate the habitat of species in shared regions and time periods. Wild dinosaurs. Builds like this give me so much inspiration!! Thanks again, Evo!

  • @UncaDunca
    @UncaDunca 2 года назад +7

    There’s still just ONE feature I really want, and that is decoration mirroring. The ability to have symmetry on either side of a path would be so nice with something like the Spinosaurus skeleton

  • @JerseyAir
    @JerseyAir 2 года назад +7

    Really cool! Loved seeing you work on the landscaping and nature!

  • @smoliv.
    @smoliv. 2 года назад +4

    I've already made a few parks like this before the DLC came out using the Arizona and Washington maps. This update and dlc definitely helped make them better.

  • @nonafontnel9589
    @nonafontnel9589 2 года назад +1

    I am pretty sure u are the only Dino RUclipsr who say Giga like Jiga
    I love it it make me laugh :)

  • @eaglelord145
    @eaglelord145 2 года назад +16

    This is beautiful! And I absolutely intend on making something like this at some point, aiming to fit every dinosaur in the game into their own 'mini-ecosystems' and biomes.
    I have 1 question, and that is what is your technique for getting the free-flying pterosaurs? So far I just make an aviary and turn on high escapes, but that often takes an annoyingly long time, especially for greater numbers of pterosaurs. If that's what you've been doing, then I commend your patience, but if there's another way then I would love to know.

    • @megatronyeets
      @megatronyeets Год назад

      You air lift them out instead of normally releasing them

  • @AverageGamer28
    @AverageGamer28 Год назад

    Your builds are giving me so much inspiration. I’m a bit late to Jurassic World Evolution but I just bought 2 on the weekend and I can’t wait to fully open sandbox mode and try out some ideas. I love your path art in this one under the monorail track roof too, it’s so creative :)

  • @livingmybestlife60
    @livingmybestlife60 4 месяца назад +1

    I’m so jealous of your skills at this, one day I’ll be just as good as you.

  • @MammothChats
    @MammothChats 2 года назад +3

    I really like it when people do landscaping in this game, great job and I hope to see more content like this with the new invisible fences :)

  • @dylanthegoat1109
    @dylanthegoat1109 2 года назад +1

    well done you did not disappoint as all ways

  • @tyrannosaurerex991
    @tyrannosaurerex991 2 года назад

    I like a lot of peoples who build in Jurassic World Évolution, but you're my favorite of all!
    Great job for this one! :)

  • @mattsworld5354
    @mattsworld5354 2 года назад

    Thanks for the B-Day present evo! this build didn't dissapoint!
    (Posted this late cuz the wifi was out all day yesterday)

  • @burge117
    @burge117 2 года назад +1

    No idea why you randomly appeared in my feed...but for a fellow Dinosaur enthusiast, subscribed.
    Great video by the way!

    • @EvolutionSquare
      @EvolutionSquare  2 года назад

      Thanks for the sub! Hope you'll enjoy the content :)

  • @Reflection475
    @Reflection475 2 года назад

    12/10 build your the most talented builder in JWE2. This park was beautiful This inspired me a lot to make a facility I will showcase on my own channel. Keep up the amazing work.

  • @Haz_Games
    @Haz_Games 2 года назад

    Amazing build evo,
    I’ve been building an abandoned park and I’ve been using your vids to help with the designs and geographical designs like foliage/mountains/hills and rivers/lakes.
    Amazing build, we are all exited to see your future park builds

  • @roguebricksngames
    @roguebricksngames 2 года назад +1

    The thing I don’t like about the monorail roof is it looks like it is under construction in the process of making a very large building/ it looks like a giant scaffolding. The good thing about that look is you can actually use it to show movement of the construction of a giant building that could look however you want

  • @encasedinamber2055
    @encasedinamber2055 2 года назад

    Beautiful park (as always) . Loved how you used the tour to separate enclosures.

  • @bigbrain5800
    @bigbrain5800 2 года назад

    I can not wait to see what you do with the DLC in the future! Thanks for inspiring so many of my park creations!

  • @AugustoDydlo
    @AugustoDydlo 2 года назад +1

    I really liked the biosyn sanctuary you made and by the way I also liked the video ;) (I'm sorry for the delay because I had some problems)

  • @Astrinumn
    @Astrinumn 2 года назад +1

    I love watching this content so much, I get inspired so easily and want to make something like that but when I try it's so hard :( But that's why you make me think you're one of the best builders out there.

  • @Green_Grass123
    @Green_Grass123 2 года назад

    Love this sanctuary build 😍! Great job as always 👍

  • @Jurassicdilophosaurus
    @Jurassicdilophosaurus 5 месяцев назад +1

    I’ve loved Jurassic world evolution 2 and I can’t wait for evolution 3 to come out and I’ve been subscribed for a while now

  • @kianmolenaar6361
    @kianmolenaar6361 2 года назад +1

    Evo i want to say thanks because you helped me when i had instagram for jwe you gave me good info about jwe2 what i then could share with my followers

  • @mariluciabreunigmoro2559
    @mariluciabreunigmoro2559 2 года назад +1

    Evo your park buildings are better and better i loved this episode and the new DLC 😊.Thanks Evo and love from Marilucia :)

  • @Deoxyribonucleicacid1
    @Deoxyribonucleicacid1 Год назад +1

    I wish there were deeper water options so spinosaurids could swim and pterosaurs could dive and such.

  • @YorktownUSA
    @YorktownUSA 2 года назад +1

    Not gunna lie, Biosyn sanctuary is kinda awesome, both in game and in the movie. Such a cool concept. And the look they gave to it was just fantastic 👏

  • @lakers8williams
    @lakers8williams 2 года назад

    Really wish this game had share codes. Seeing a few of your parks, I really don't always have the patience to construct works of art like these. I'm on console so it's not as quick/accurate building mountain ranges/deep rivers like you simulate. As much as they inspire, the share code idea would benefit someone like me who could then take parks like this, alter/adapt little bits if necessary or even just put dinos each individual would want in the enclosures.
    Great work as always. Love your parks and attention to detail.

  • @Isa.a512
    @Isa.a512 2 года назад

    This is so cool I really love the build! I love your idea for the guest protection from the pterodactyls!! I will watch more of your videos because they seem really awesome 🤩 .

  • @50calM82A1
    @50calM82A1 2 года назад

    Great map, and great build on the tours and tower network. I think this format really allows you to limit putting space for guest areas and all, and focus more on the sanctuary itself.

  • @jurassicrex776
    @jurassicrex776 2 года назад +1

    you're so creative I love ur videos so much and I enjoy them ,looking forward for the full showcase ❤

  • @Mocha021
    @Mocha021 2 года назад

    I would have not had any detail on my park builds till I started watching evolution square

  • @merlin_kepler
    @merlin_kepler 2 года назад

    The chanel growth since 10k when I started watching is insane 👌 congrats

    • @EvolutionSquare
      @EvolutionSquare  2 года назад

      thanks so much for sticking with the channel all this time! You're a legend!

  • @thegamingtrex2829
    @thegamingtrex2829 2 года назад

    Since I got the dlc I have wanted to do something like this but didn't know how to approach it. I now do thanks to this video. Thanks for the inspiration.

  • @braydenslawski351
    @braydenslawski351 2 года назад

    After watching all this you just gave me Tons of Building Ideas for my Bsiosyn sanctuary

  • @purpleguydeadly4235
    @purpleguydeadly4235 2 года назад +2

    I wish the game had a grid when building. It would make build way easier if you are doing square fences, and addition to that if you are following along with a tutorial on RUclips it would be easier

  • @Salenoo
    @Salenoo 2 года назад

    The quetz-research outpost idea is genius! Excited for this one evo!

  • @VibezIsMe
    @VibezIsMe 2 года назад

    It’s satisfying knowing I’m not the only one who makes sort of “nesting ground” areas within an enclosure or large area!

  • @petko6926
    @petko6926 2 года назад

    I have missed this, and i can't wait to see the sarcastic tour driver, and her promotion of course.

  • @dawsonwelsh437
    @dawsonwelsh437 2 года назад +1

    We need an ADS for the flying reptiles. It could work like the invisible fence system whereby they would be unable to cross boundaries set by an invisible fence as if the fence just extends up forever. Idk if it is possible, but it would be really cool

  • @EarlAcanthocaudia
    @EarlAcanthocaudia 2 года назад

    I got a lot of inspiration for my own biosyn sanctuary! Amazing video Evo!

  • @KatsyKat
    @KatsyKat 2 года назад

    I’ve been trying to find a channel like this for months! Just straight up creative aesthetic-pleasing builds which satisfy both the guests and dinosaurs including lots of trees 🌲 Alota freeform builds and vids based on the franchise ✨🙌 A m a z i n g 🙌✨ i still think this game is a bit underrated qvq 🦕🦖

  • @NioNerd
    @NioNerd 2 года назад

    Yet another awesome build, Evo! Super cool.

  • @NOWAHERRAMAIN
    @NOWAHERRAMAIN 2 года назад

    Thank you for your inspirational builds I will most definitely do something like building things like this

  • @The_Campfire
    @The_Campfire 2 года назад

    Feels like Biosyn's canon love for flashy path art was custom made for you.

  • @darthindominus2429
    @darthindominus2429 2 года назад +1

    A fun Nest thing to build is with the camp Cretaceous dlc you can use the big Kentrasoras Varianten and bild a Nest for a baby Dino
    You can also do this for the Variante that makes the 1 Dino small

  • @Idinnes
    @Idinnes 2 года назад

    This is my favorite build from you. Loved it

  • @Hexxels
    @Hexxels 2 года назад

    Hey evo I’ve been loving your vids lately keep it up

  • @shmurblethebirdmanbarbarian
    @shmurblethebirdmanbarbarian 2 года назад

    I wish I had the imagination for this stuff but watching these videos is slowly helping me get better at this game

  • @LukesWatching
    @LukesWatching 2 года назад

    I'm always waiting for you to upload Park Builds!

  • @nicholasrodriguez3989
    @nicholasrodriguez3989 2 года назад

    Thank you EVO you’ve inspired me.Actually when I get home I’m gonna make a sanctuary. Wish me luck.

  • @kairyu9207
    @kairyu9207 2 года назад

    Excellent work, you've given me an idea for a future park build.

  • @mrgodzilla3843
    @mrgodzilla3843 2 года назад

    god this things are so great i spent 4 hours to make the actual jp because of your vids and my jurassic park is so much better thank you!.

  • @RuskVR455
    @RuskVR455 2 года назад

    Your videos never fail to prevail.

  • @wombatman9383
    @wombatman9383 2 года назад

    Watching these with no sound can be straight up therapeutic
    Also helps with builds that to(sadly I'm last gen)

    • @EvolutionSquare
      @EvolutionSquare  2 года назад

      I always have trouble deciding if I should even do voice over or just do a soundtrack, but I figure I should provide the voice over and people can always mute (and put on their own music) if they prefer :)

  • @TribbleArtCreations
    @TribbleArtCreations 2 года назад

    Your Biosyn Sanctuary is beautiful! You're amazing!

  • @MrBrachiosaurus
    @MrBrachiosaurus 2 года назад

    Watching Dominion as we speak! Great movie so far!!🦖🦕

  • @Pfenix23
    @Pfenix23 2 года назад

    Gorgeous idea! I’ve been dying to build this and try a novel Isla Sorna with the invisible fences. That would be way easier for you since you can mix eras though.

  • @josielgutierrez
    @josielgutierrez Год назад

    if evo square was a theme park manager she would have the best park ever

  • @owenmahan2854
    @owenmahan2854 2 года назад +1

    Does anyone know how to get the birds out of the aviary like have them flying freely?

  • @HankHill1998
    @HankHill1998 2 года назад

    I haven’t yet watched the video yet but I can already tell this is gonna be a amazing build

  • @canuckgerbil1924
    @canuckgerbil1924 2 года назад

    That para got wrecked. Holy heck that was so mean. XD I love it do it again.

  • @ShadowPhantomGaming
    @ShadowPhantomGaming 2 года назад

    My first Jurassic world evo 2 did really well actually one of my best videos ❤️ love ya content evo

  • @DinosaurNuggetz
    @DinosaurNuggetz 2 года назад +1

    I love it, I can't wait to sew what you do with the permanent snow map, we can finally make winter/Christmas themed parks

    • @EvolutionSquare
      @EvolutionSquare  2 года назад +1

      I will be building my first park there during the Saturday livestream you should come join!

    • @-_GlitchEy-boi_-
      @-_GlitchEy-boi_- 2 года назад

      @@EvolutionSquare what time?

    • @-_GlitchEy-boi_-
      @-_GlitchEy-boi_- 2 года назад

      @@EvolutionSquare also I missed the 3 game stream thing, prehistoric park evolution 2 and the isle

    • @-_GlitchEy-boi_-
      @-_GlitchEy-boi_- 2 года назад

      I really want to watch it

  • @redsharkfate1907
    @redsharkfate1907 Год назад

    So you have to be crazy to be able to build what you build lol it’s truly amazing! I was wondering do you sorta draw or sketch what you want or you just sorta wing it?

  • @user-cy4zq3hz3p
    @user-cy4zq3hz3p 2 года назад

    The build looks really good. And ad you mentioned the ADS. I was thinking use the invisible fence system but for aviaries. They couldn't leave that area, sure. But if combined right it would look stunning with a build. This giving the ADS feel.
    Maybe a update to the game for this or maybe a mod. Honestly, its a need either way.

  • @InterestedEntitty
    @InterestedEntitty 2 года назад

    Oh man, I just keep seeing awesome movies coming from this build. first with the hyper loop it could be that the park is 100s of km long mountain range and they get stuck and have to leave the hyperloop tunnel when it breaks and they're stranded. and the patron area, something throws a tree into the helicopter and it crashes into the roof, which triggers a collapse escape scene but their cornered, keeping them under the falling debris longer than liked.

  • @squibsz
    @squibsz 2 года назад

    Great build as always keep up the amazing work! 😎

  • @rogerbowen5753
    @rogerbowen5753 2 года назад

    Yet another great build! You’re on a roll with these! I do sometimes wonder if your glasses are like some kind of superhero disguise and you do actually build at that speed! 110K subscribers and rising, you should be flying like a superhero that’s for sure!
    I do hope you didn’t experience the same driver issues that I did last night. GFE might have told you to install 516.40, this breaks JWE2 and you need to stick to 512.95 until the next driver fixes the issues. I’d go for a full official driver and not a hotfix. (I did ask the mods in Discord to DM you about this.)

    • @EvolutionSquare
      @EvolutionSquare  2 года назад

      I've seen people struggling with the drivers, so unless my PC sneaks in an update without me knowing, I'm avoiding it for now. Can't derail that content train lol

  • @gavinmartin7410
    @gavinmartin7410 2 года назад

    Beautiful park it’s amazing

  • @D.T.18.1.
    @D.T.18.1. 2 года назад

    WOW! This is incredible! Waiting for park mantahcorp.

  • @MrD-Mo
    @MrD-Mo 2 года назад

    This is amazing

  • @s0ma782
    @s0ma782 2 года назад +2

    I though you were gonna make like an ecosystem, lol. I hope one day you do that, cause your environments will be amazing

  • @hulkanddinoplaytime1768
    @hulkanddinoplaytime1768 2 года назад

    I actually have been doing nests similar to yours.I like doing ABANDONED nest that have been overgrown by trees,more foliage and water in the nest, I mainly did t-rex nests but I like the idea of sauropod nest.Thank you!!

  • @dinoxels
    @dinoxels 2 года назад

    We love the big red arrow pointing at nothing in the thumbnail

    • @EvolutionSquare
      @EvolutionSquare  2 года назад +1

      it's pointing at the invisible fence which is literally exactly what makes this a "better" biosyn sanctuary but ok lol

  • @user-wj8wn6gd3y
    @user-wj8wn6gd3y 2 года назад

    Beautiful.

  • @joshuaduran2250
    @joshuaduran2250 2 года назад

    Yo evo! i found a cool way to make the invisble fences a bit more invisible,first make rivers like they are walls and make them all around the map making enclosures with them,then you can put the invisible fences then there you go!

  • @TraceY43
    @TraceY43 Год назад

    Dinosaurs rating their enclosure in my park: I mean it’s aw-right like-
    Dinosaurs rating their enclosure in Evo’s parks: THATS WHY HE(she)’S THE GOAT, THE GOAT!

  • @inkasaurusrex
    @inkasaurusrex 2 года назад

    This video inspired me to make my own version of a Sanctuary in the BioSyn valley

  • @monja7339
    @monja7339 2 года назад

    Omg that’s amazing evo good job😁

  • @fatpug2.081
    @fatpug2.081 2 года назад

    A true chefs kiss!

  • @quack4breadmemes776
    @quack4breadmemes776 2 года назад

    This park is insane! I certainly could never do something like this 👍

  • @no.5650
    @no.5650 2 года назад +1

    Lol I watched this video right after I finished building my own biosyn sanctuary in this map

  • @Didulous-D
    @Didulous-D 2 года назад

    I love the way you terrain!

  • @cosmos6350
    @cosmos6350 2 года назад +17

    I have a doubt on the structures in game.
    Whenever I try to rotate them, I either rotate them too much or too less, is there any way to snap them so that they are aligned straight to the path? It kinda gets annoying sometimes when I'm trying to build something attractive in the game.

    • @EvolutionSquare
      @EvolutionSquare  2 года назад +4

      no most of the buildings don't snap to path

    • @Thecodytree
      @Thecodytree 2 года назад +1

      @@EvolutionSquare that’s frustrating

    • @riftedgegaming1810
      @riftedgegaming1810 2 года назад +2

      i usually build with grid snap on building so paths will go smoother

    • @brice.coates
      @brice.coates 2 года назад +3

      I’ve found the best method for buildings being are 90* relative to the paths is to place the buildings first with angle snap enabled and then place paths

    • @lorfdorf2192
      @lorfdorf2192 2 года назад

      @@EvolutionSquare how did you allow to Quetz to fly around not in an aviary.

  • @FireAlpha2004
    @FireAlpha2004 2 года назад

    If I were to own Biosyn, I’d definitely do the same thing, and the same can be said for you because OH MY GAWD THIS LOOKS BEAUTIFUL

  • @Andrew-uh8py
    @Andrew-uh8py 2 года назад

    Awesome Evo!

  • @brucekent1568
    @brucekent1568 2 года назад

    Evo you give me so much inspiration I may use this in my next park build, maybe without the pterosaurs though

  • @szymonchlebakowicz4964
    @szymonchlebakowicz4964 2 года назад

    You know, the exhibit detachment in a single mega exhibit idea came up to me as soon as the invisi-fences were announced. Also, I recommend to use the i-fences inside the river, so that creatures can reach it.

  • @sesterzioponzio7085
    @sesterzioponzio7085 2 года назад

    What can I say... Individually placeble trees.
    Great job btw

  • @localdude3702
    @localdude3702 2 года назад

    I love this new dlc! The Dimetrodon is my favourite synapsid irl and its so cool to have it in a game.

    • @qanderson9562
      @qanderson9562 2 года назад

      I like the Dimetrodon cause it kinda sleep together it so cute

  • @nicholireyes5533
    @nicholireyes5533 2 года назад

    so, would the biosyn map be the largest map in in JWE2?
    also, does your monorail roof protect guest from flyers? or is that still a problem?

  • @zachharlow263
    @zachharlow263 2 года назад

    How did you get all the pteranodon’s and the rest of the flying reptiles flying out and about??