Great video, I just bought mine last night and tried DC fast-charging today for the first time so this video is very relevant to me. I was in full panic mode and didn't know what to do. Fortunately there was a guy in a Volkswagen EV that was charging up and he was very eager to give me pointers including making sure that the car is unlocked, and making sure you lock it after you connect the charger that way no one could pull it out. The screen on my pump was worn out around where the stop button was supposed to be, when so I was frantically trying to get it to stop and couldn't until I saw the remnants of the stop sign on the screen and hit it and then I had to try to take the nozzle out of the car and of course I forgot to unlock the car which he told me to do and I was able to get it out of my car because it didn't want to release. I'm going to try it again soon and hopefully it'll go smoother next time now that I had that experience under my belt.
Looks like there isn't really a point to paying to fast charge a PHEV. $7.70 for 40-50 miles isn't saving money unless gas gets back to $5 a gallon or more. Home charging would be about the only way to do it, say a full charge of 20KWh at our house would cost around $1.78. Unless you find some free fast chargers or maybe have one at work, but then the issue is most cars besides Tesla use CCS and this is still using the old chademo connector. Even Nissan's new EV moved to CCS now.
MItsubishi uses CHAdeMO technology because of its flexibility …think V2H (Vehicle to Home), V2L(Vehicle to Load), V2X(Vehicle to WhaTEVER). The vehicle has the capability of 2 Tesla PowerWall systems
@@wlyanderson Our Ioniq 5 does V2L but uses the normal CCS fast charging pug. I see some charger banks may have 4-10 CCS cables but only 1 CHAdeMO left now. But fast charging a PHEV probably wouldn't done very often.
@@SkaBob The real reason it uses CHADeMO is really simple. That is still the standard in Japan and Mitsubishi doesn't make a custom North America/EU version of the outlander (likely for cost reasons). So, we get CHADeMO here in the USA even though CCS is now is the de facto standard. It's a slight annoyance but in reality I don't think it's going to matter much to most people as they'll level 1/2 ~95% of the time.
@@mccrearymCHAdeMO on the Outlander specifically is for use as an emergency generator in Japan. Mitsubishi just likes leaving things on cars for the north american market even if it isn't needed. Fast charging is not the main intention of having the port.
do you preheat or cool your cabinet before driving ? If yes, is your car using power from the charger to precondition the cabinet as per their claim or is it taking power from the battery? Please let me know
The way I understand it, if you're on a regular 110 plug, it will use the car's battery, but if you're on a level 2 charger, it will use the grid to heat or cool the car.
Hi @ 6:23 the stats show that 11.75kwh of energy was added in 27 mins which equates to 26.1 KW DC charging rate - isn't that almost half of 50kw or did i miss something?
Great question. I don't have the answer for you. Unfortunately, I don't know all of the ins and outs of charging yet. However, I believe this machine isn't maintained well. I wish I could have gone somewhere with more options. However, the next closest DC Fast Charger is an additional 40 miles away.
All EV batteries have a non-linear charging curve. Generally, it only makes sense to DC Fast Charge up to 80%, and peak speed is usually only achieved below 50%. After that, the charge rate drops off to protect the battery. Most EVs take the same amount of charge time to go from 0-80% as 80-100%. A good analogy is like people filling a stadium. When it's mostly empty, things move freely. But as the stadium gets full, you have to climb over people to get to your seat. Same concept happens with electrons inside of lithium ion batteries.
@@mcclintonauto This is my problem as well. I have a 50kWh charging station close to me, and to use it I am almost paying the same price as gas due to how expensive it is to charge based off time and now draw. It's slow as well. I only get 9.75 kWh draw.
@@Ezekialify We feel you on this. That's the only DC Fast Charger for 150 miles for us. Luckily our dealership will have our own installed later this year.
@@mcclintonauto Yes, hopefully they change soon. I am in Canada BC and they're not allowed to charge per kWh due to canadian regulations... so they just charge by the stations output. It really sucks, but hopefully, it will change in the next few years. I guess I am going to look into seeing if I can get a 240V outlet installed in my apartment garage, but now I get to try and deal with strata... why can't things just be easy.
Besides the novelty of doing this, because I can, I have found that the occasional level 3 charging at a particular store I frequent saves me a lot of time when I go back home and have to use the level 1 charger which takes a long time. I had an electrician at my house yesterday getting a quote on a 240-volt outlet for a potential level 2 unit at home, and depending where I placed it it was between $2,000 and $3,500. So for me, having to spend an occasional five or six dollars for DC fast charging is worth it. Otherwise I just do level 1 charging at home and deal with it. But it always is good to have options and I appreciate the DC fast-charging option on my new Outlander PHEV.
That's good to hear, Mike. We are in the process of installing DC fast Chargers here at the dealership. The level two chargers are nice for the home, but you're right, with the PHEV, it's not necessary. The owner of the dealership had the previous generation PHEV for about a year. She mostly charged at home with Level 1 and had no issues. It was always charged overnight. I almost bought that from her, but my house isn't set up on a 200 AMP service. So I wasn't even able to charge on Level 1 At home. If that wasn't the case, I would have bought it in a heartbeat.
Hey, one thing I haven't seen yet in all my research is how much fuel the vehicle uses if you drive it in Charge mode, starting with a depleted battery. All I've been able to find is that it takes roughly 90 mins while driving on the highway, but I've not been able to find out how much gas it uses. Could be cheaper than a DC fast charger?
@@TB-up4xi They're rare but there are free DC fast chargers. Mostly the reason for the Chademo plug is that it's a Japanese car, and it's still a popular standard there. It also gives you the ability to use your car to power your house if you have the appropriate equipment. Regardless of the style of connector, the vast majority of the time, PHEVs are going to be charged at a level 1 or 2 charger anyway, so this is really just an "extra" charge port if you happen to be able to take advantage of it.
Level 3 prices are as much or more than gasoline for the same distance. Level 1 is slow. I installed a Level 2 after installing a 14-50R outside in my driveway. Definitely the way to go if possible.
I just bought one today for my wife and the whole idea of using an outdated chademo charger for a pitifully small battery is a complete waste of time....I'll never use this dumb feature of this car. you wasted 40+ minutes and payed a lot to get a crappy small charge....the whole idea is if you deplete the battery you can just keep on driving as a hybrid.
Not upset at all and I have one of these cars. It's just that the car certainly has a few very dumb quirks like the chademo charging and the 3rd. row seat @@mcclintonauto
The port is there for getting power from the car (V2H) using it as a generator, a popular application in Japan. The only part that's dumb is you not understanding it's not a feature for you.
Great video, I just bought mine last night and tried DC fast-charging today for the first time so this video is very relevant to me. I was in full panic mode and didn't know what to do. Fortunately there was a guy in a Volkswagen EV that was charging up and he was very eager to give me pointers including making sure that the car is unlocked, and making sure you lock it after you connect the charger that way no one could pull it out. The screen on my pump was worn out around where the stop button was supposed to be, when so I was frantically trying to get it to stop and couldn't until I saw the remnants of the stop sign on the screen and hit it and then I had to try to take the nozzle out of the car and of course I forgot to unlock the car which he told me to do and I was able to get it out of my car because it didn't want to release. I'm going to try it again soon and hopefully it'll go smoother next time now that I had that experience under my belt.
Congrats on he PHEV! We hope you have better luck with your next DC Charging Session. Let us know how it goes. :)
Thanks for this, it was very interesting to see a hands-on real-world demonstration of the charging options.
Thanks, Mike! We appreciate your kind words.
Looks like there isn't really a point to paying to fast charge a PHEV. $7.70 for 40-50 miles isn't saving money unless gas gets back to $5 a gallon or more. Home charging would be about the only way to do it, say a full charge of 20KWh at our house would cost around $1.78. Unless you find some free fast chargers or maybe have one at work, but then the issue is most cars besides Tesla use CCS and this is still using the old chademo connector. Even Nissan's new EV moved to CCS now.
MItsubishi uses CHAdeMO technology because of its flexibility …think V2H (Vehicle to Home), V2L(Vehicle to Load), V2X(Vehicle to WhaTEVER). The vehicle has the capability of 2 Tesla PowerWall systems
@@wlyanderson Our Ioniq 5 does V2L but uses the normal CCS fast charging pug. I see some charger banks may have 4-10 CCS cables but only 1 CHAdeMO left now. But fast charging a PHEV probably wouldn't done very often.
@@SkaBob The real reason it uses CHADeMO is really simple. That is still the standard in Japan and Mitsubishi doesn't make a custom North America/EU version of the outlander (likely for cost reasons). So, we get CHADeMO here in the USA even though CCS is now is the de facto standard.
It's a slight annoyance but in reality I don't think it's going to matter much to most people as they'll level 1/2 ~95% of the time.
@@mccrearymCHAdeMO on the Outlander specifically is for use as an emergency generator in Japan. Mitsubishi just likes leaving things on cars for the north american market even if it isn't needed. Fast charging is not the main intention of having the port.
do you preheat or cool your cabinet before driving ? If yes, is your car using power from the charger to precondition the cabinet as per their claim or is it taking power from the battery? Please let me know
The way I understand it, if you're on a regular 110 plug, it will use the car's battery, but if you're on a level 2 charger, it will use the grid to heat or cool the car.
@@adamcoe my car is taking power from the battery when plugged to level 3 charger
Hi @ 6:23 the stats show that 11.75kwh of energy was added in 27 mins which equates to 26.1 KW DC charging rate - isn't that almost half of 50kw or did i miss something?
Great question. I don't have the answer for you. Unfortunately, I don't know all of the ins and outs of charging yet. However, I believe this machine isn't maintained well. I wish I could have gone somewhere with more options. However, the next closest DC Fast Charger is an additional 40 miles away.
All EV batteries have a non-linear charging curve. Generally, it only makes sense to DC Fast Charge up to 80%, and peak speed is usually only achieved below 50%. After that, the charge rate drops off to protect the battery. Most EVs take the same amount of charge time to go from 0-80% as 80-100%.
A good analogy is like people filling a stadium. When it's mostly empty, things move freely. But as the stadium gets full, you have to climb over people to get to your seat. Same concept happens with electrons inside of lithium ion batteries.
@@mcclintonauto This is my problem as well. I have a 50kWh charging station close to me, and to use it I am almost paying the same price as gas due to how expensive it is to charge based off time and now draw. It's slow as well. I only get 9.75 kWh draw.
@@Ezekialify We feel you on this. That's the only DC Fast Charger for 150 miles for us. Luckily our dealership will have our own installed later this year.
@@mcclintonauto Yes, hopefully they change soon. I am in Canada BC and they're not allowed to charge per kWh due to canadian regulations... so they just charge by the stations output. It really sucks, but hopefully, it will change in the next few years. I guess I am going to look into seeing if I can get a 240V outlet installed in my apartment garage, but now I get to try and deal with strata... why can't things just be easy.
Besides the novelty of doing this, because I can, I have found that the occasional level 3 charging at a particular store I frequent saves me a lot of time when I go back home and have to use the level 1 charger which takes a long time. I had an electrician at my house yesterday getting a quote on a 240-volt outlet for a potential level 2 unit at home, and depending where I placed it it was between $2,000 and $3,500. So for me, having to spend an occasional five or six dollars for DC fast charging is worth it. Otherwise I just do level 1 charging at home and deal with it. But it always is good to have options and I appreciate the DC fast-charging option on my new Outlander PHEV.
That's good to hear, Mike. We are in the process of installing DC fast Chargers here at the dealership. The level two chargers are nice for the home, but you're right, with the PHEV, it's not necessary. The owner of the dealership had the previous generation PHEV for about a year. She mostly charged at home with Level 1 and had no issues. It was always charged overnight. I almost bought that from her, but my house isn't set up on a 200 AMP service. So I wasn't even able to charge on Level 1 At home. If that wasn't the case, I would have bought it in a heartbeat.
@@mcclintonauto you've got to get this car, it's pretty incredible as I'm sure you know already. 🙂
@@mikeintampa250 We're expecting our First RALLIART PHEV pretty soon. That one will be tempting. We'll definitely have some vids on it. :)
@@mcclintonauto looking forward to it your videos are awesome
@@mikeintampa250 Thank You. That's very kind.
Hey, one thing I haven't seen yet in all my research is how much fuel the vehicle uses if you drive it in Charge mode, starting with a depleted battery. All I've been able to find is that it takes roughly 90 mins while driving on the highway, but I've not been able to find out how much gas it uses. Could be cheaper than a DC fast charger?
We'll look into this for you.
Great test, thanks for the info!
My pleasure.
So DC fast charging doesn't really save you money as opposed to using gas. I'll just use the level one charger at home.
DC "fast" charging for a PHEV is a stupid idea. 40 min to add
@@TB-up4xi On top of that, fast charging, over time, depletes battery capacity.
@@TB-up4xi They're rare but there are free DC fast chargers. Mostly the reason for the Chademo plug is that it's a Japanese car, and it's still a popular standard there. It also gives you the ability to use your car to power your house if you have the appropriate equipment. Regardless of the style of connector, the vast majority of the time, PHEVs are going to be charged at a level 1 or 2 charger anyway, so this is really just an "extra" charge port if you happen to be able to take advantage of it.
Level 3 prices are as much or more than gasoline for the same distance. Level 1 is slow. I installed a Level 2 after installing a 14-50R outside in my driveway. Definitely the way to go if possible.
I just bought one today for my wife and the whole idea of using an outdated chademo charger for a pitifully small battery is a complete waste of time....I'll never use this dumb feature of this car. you wasted 40+ minutes and payed a lot to get a crappy small charge....the whole idea is if you deplete the battery you can just keep on driving as a hybrid.
We’re sorry you were upset by our video. Our intention was to show how this feature works for people are interested and have access to the chargers.
Not upset at all and I have one of these cars. It's just that the car certainly has a few very dumb quirks like the chademo charging and the 3rd. row seat
@@mcclintonauto
The port is there for getting power from the car (V2H) using it as a generator, a popular application in Japan. The only part that's dumb is you not understanding it's not a feature for you.