We raise red and blue heelers. I have read that the dog uses the tail for a counterbalance with real sharp changes in direction. I've owned and worked heelers for 35 years. Never had a tail stepped on or crushed. I think people do it for looks. We dock tails when the new owners ask us to. There is a dog called the stumpy tailed cattle dog that resembles a heeler but naturally has no tail. Aussies have longer hair then their cousins the heeler so maybe it would be good to keep the dingleberries off.
Yes you are absolutely correct . Lot of tumbleweed where we are and it keeps them from always have to mess with tail. You know healers and shepherds are the samecwah only bigger. Real gamey. Pups are perfect solud black white Merle blazes and around 55lbs. Amazing dogs
We like them docked so when and if we train them to move cattle to just train them for becoming a gaurd dog we dond have to worry about ther long tails getting in the way and caught in thing, or even stepped on, its more of the dogs benifid then the personal look, i dont want to judge, i like long tails to, but it dous help them😅
This mutilation is horrific. Having said that, I'm a breeder and forced to do this because the evil AKC has made the short tail a standard so you cannot sell the puppies without this horrible procedure. The AKC needs to develop empathy
Hi, does it leave a hairless spot on the tip of the tail if you don't suture the opening closed? I've been docking my Dobermans tails for awhile now and have sutured the incisions closed. However, most of the time my dam will just bite sutures out when cleaning them. Wondering if this would save my time and be less stressful on the pups. Thank you
Great Job! I am a breeder of mini and Toy Poodles...I used a dime...but most buyers commented on tails to short...they needed the pom-pom....So I went the size of a nickel and a bit under... keep up the great videos!
Does this method leave a bald spot on the end of the tail? My dobie from the breeder had a really bad bald spot that I have the vet remedy while getting cropped.
How do you take care of the pups tails after docked? I just had all ours docked by the studs owner (they do it all the time and are breeders) but not sure what i do as the owner of the mom and pups right now. They are 2 days old. Mom is licking them.
Hi, there is not a lot you have to do. Make sure pups are in a clean area. Make sure the docked area is clean and scabbing over. The mom should do a good job cleaning them up. My pups are driving me crazy!!!
So if you were desiring a dog with a short ear crop you could also do it at this time too, right? That way nerve endings haven't developed and you wouldn't have to use anesthesia and stitches at a couple months old?
In my thirties I raised chocolate cockers and black and tan cockers. I just watched a video of a lady docking a miniature schnauzers she put a clamp on the tail then got scissors and oh my gosh please stop doing that. Thank you for posting a very Humane tail docking video. It's the way I did it with my Cocker's my sister would hold them and I would clip the tail if we did it on day three or four we put one future in it. Most of our puppies didn't make a sound but we did use mayo surgical scissors. Great video love the towel thank you for the idea about the bowl and the bucket that's kind of cool way to keep them on one spot nice and tight. Puppies like to cuddle I bet they enjoyed the bucket and Bowl
This is my border collies 2nd litter, daddy is an aussie, last litter we took them to a vet to get the tails docked, and this time I want to dock them myself and save a little money. This was very helpful thank you.
@@ricosplace2 well according to vets they do feel pain, according to your own video when your cut the tail and it let our a long yelp they feel pain. But whatever helps you sleep at night.
Thank you. My first litter is in about a month. A little less than a dime is a great reference. My first Aussi looks like she has no tail but my second Aussie I'm pretty sure they followed the quarter reference lol.
Hey there - we just did our puppies like you did yours, they are bleeding a little , how long until it stops? Mom has been cleaning them up! Thanks for the informational video.
It's scary that you are asking this person for vet advice for newborn puppies. Ask a vet or a local breeder from a regional breed club affiliated with the AKC.
Hey I had a question and maybe you could answer it for me I’ve seen people use superglue after docking the tail you didn’t I’m just curious as to why and your opinion.
@@saltyprepper5513 I have never had any pups get infection, I did spray on blue coat once but the mom liked it off, yes disinfect scissors, I always get a fresh pair from a friend from a local hospital, not sure on the length of tail
Dogs have no reason to have docked tails or ears unless it’s specifically recommended by a vet. The few times where tail docking should be allowed is if the dog will be working with large animals or broke the bone in its tail and it can’t be repaired.
That's a good question, I would go shorter than a dime, if they are pet quality probably not a big deal, but if they are registered show quality you might want to find a good breeder and ask them. Hope that helped
I am not a 100% sure for a Doberman, but I would use a nickel. Australians have a lot of hair so you really don't see the stubb, let me know how it turns out
you cant use pain killers or anything when they are that young, their nerves aren't fully developed making it much less painful. its better this way then the tails getting stomped on by a cow
@@zeiro7027 The thing is though, I agree with Megan, because how many of these Aussies are actually going to be bred to work on a farm? I have one myself, and we live in a small home and take her on three long walks a day. I totally get what you mean by the above, better early than late! But in my opinion, better never than ever. It has been a pretty controversial topic about how many dogs actually lose their tails to cows. What I personally believe, is that the dog uses its tail for so many purposes, including balance when running, expressing emotions, and has even been proven to be used when interacting with other dogs. The reason that dogs naturally have a lighter color underneath their tail, is so that they can flag down other dogs and ultimately reflect how they are feeling. Nevertheless, we don't know how much pain is inflicted so I fully agree with doing it younger if you're going to. Good day, and this is just my opinion, nothing meant to be personal : )
@@zeiro7027 I have a hard time believing that these puppies don't feel pain from the way they are squealing though. In all honesty I don't think the people in this video are being cruel, but I do think that the breed standard should be reconsidered. Most of these dogs will end up as house pets making this seem like a good deal of unneeded work for the owners and pain for the pups.
@@rebeccamorningglory6011 I agree with you on the standards but not all breeders doc tails. I don't think they don't feel anything I didn't say that. They feel something they dont like obviously but its not as it would be for a more grown puppy
We always dip our puppies tails in all purpose flour before we take them back to momma to lick clean. And we heard it from an old farmer that used to breed.
Doing it like that is cruel and painful it’s horrible to see you cut a tail and think it doesn’t hurt or is traumatizing. Put your beer down and let someone use a scissor to cut off you finger and see how you feel. People have no feelings when it comes to animals
@@ricosplace2 OMG I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE HELL YOU CAN "DO" THIS!:O:@:'( DON'T YOU THINK THE MUM WONDER ABOUT WHY THEY DON'T HAVE SO LONG TAIL ANYMORE?! HOW "LONG" TIME DO THEY HAVE "PAIN"?! THEY CRY WHEN YOU DID THIS!:O:'((U)
@@mineonlyedwardcullen dew claws are removed and tails are docked on most hunting/working dogs. If it is not done then they can have a very serious dew claw injury out in the brush if it gets caught on something. Ive seen a dog need its whole paw amputated because of a severe dew claw tear. if their tails are not docked they will beat them bloody once theyre on prey and then you can have very serious complications and end up with a huge vet bill and then the dog has to have their tail amputated anyway. This SHOULD be done within their 1st 48 hours after birth, their nerves have not fully developed. Im not gonna lie, they do still feel it, im sure its not pleasant but if it's done early and well, there is very minimal pain because their nerves are not fully developed yet. Yes it does still hurt a little but its very minimal. They go through 2minutes of pain so that hopefully they'll have a lifetime free of injuries. Usually Within 5 minutes theyre back to sleep or nursing. The "screams" are not pleasant, and some whine/cry more than others, but they wont feel/remember it 5mins down the road if done correctly. Hope you're well, stay safe.
When I was a kid we raised bird dogs Brittany spaniels and Doberman Pinschers if you feel on the tail you can kind of feel where the second joint is going to be and we cut in between what would be the second and third joint ours never really cried either I don't think it hurts them as bad as getting your dog fixed (broken) I never understood why they said you were fixing them
Do not dock the tail if the puppies are older than three days. for me 1 day old works best, again do not cut the tails if the puppies are older than 3 days. thanks for watching
I have two jack Russell terriers... one with a tail and one without, both cute but I’m torn on the topic. Now i do plan on breeding and I’m scared ppl are going to question if they are purebred if I don’t cut the tails. What’s your opinion on that? Do they bleed?
Hi, Let me start with at 1 or 2 days old they do Not really bleed, you can dip the tails in corn starch and mom usually will clean the pups up pretty good. At that age there really isn't much discomfort, I am not going to say they don't feel any pain. My opinion on tail vs no tail, I feel like if people are going to pay a lot of money for a Jack Russel they want it to look like a Jack Russel. I would not have bought my Australians if they had tails. I often wonder if people would pay the same price with a tail. Feel free to ask any questions. You can email if you like Richard.goodding@gmail.com
Just had my first litter of mini aussie pups. I have a question- how do you deal with the blood? Is there a chance they might bleed out and die without any medical intervention? I'd like to dock tails at home, I'm just worried I might accidentally kill one from blood loss :/
I have never had an issue with alot of bleeding, make sure you dock in the first two days. You can buy a sulfur drug to dip the tails in to stop any bleeding, you can spray the tails with an antiseptic spray, Blue Cote is a brand I use. My female has always been a good mom and keeps everything clean. The one year I dipped and sprayed the tails the mom did not like the taste of the medicine so I don't use it anymore. It is important to dock in the first two days, the third day at the latest, do not cut the tails after three days. If you do not feel confident, don't do it!! Good luck, let me know how it goes
I have called more than 30 vet and half of them they don’t do duck tails and the other half they don’t have any appointment. Since covid is super hard to find a vet. My puppies are 4 days old and I need tu hace it done soon. Can I do it at 4 days old?
I have only done them 3 days or younger, I don't want to tell you 4 days is ok. As they get older there might be more bleeding and more pain. You need to make your decision to day, either dock them or leave the tails.
I'm actually about to do this tomorrow on 3 day old teacup yorkies ... and I've been asking lots of questions - I've been told there's little to no bleeding, and to not let 'mom' in for a while just so she doesn't lick at the cut - is this pretty accurate?
I have never done for kids, I always put Daisy Mae's pups right back with her. I have never had a bleeding issye6, just spots, I do mine at 2 days, but have done 3 day once. Be confident,just do it, let me know how it goes.
@@ricosplace2 It went more or less without a hitch. The easiest and yet the most nerve-wracking thing I've done in a while. My original tool, even being sharp enough to shave my fingernail took two attempts, then I went to plan B which was a large set of fabric shears that cut you just looking at them. They worked perfectly and instantly. Tiny yelp from 1 only because my helper was squeezing too hard out of nervousness and it was just a bead of blood on the tip that smeared on the fleece I placed all 4 in one at a time. I ended up dabbing neosporin on the tip before letting 'mom' around them and within 2 minutes everything was back to normal and they were all fast asleep.
I’ve had 3 Rat Terriers who came to me with docked tails. A Doberman puppy with a docked tail, but kept his ears natural. I just purchased a Corgi with a docked tail. It’s impossible to find a breeder who WON’T dock tails, and leave them natural. My heart still felt bad for them.💔💔
A lot of clints want things done a specific way which wouldn’t be a problem however people request certain things then decide to cancel on said puppy, making it practically impossible for breeders to find a replacement home therefore that’s most breeders choose to do what’s standard to that breed unless the client is prepared to pay in full as soon as the puppy is born ( non-refundable ) .The client would need to choose a puppy immediately and that is extremely difficult for clients and breeders, breeders prefer to wait until the puppies have gotten older before allowing clients choose. Another important factor is your position on the waiting list therefore a client may need to wait for a future litter allow them to have first pick.
@@heidigomez001 good comment, I am not a big breeder, just my two dogs, was hoping to get a red female, no luck yet, Daisey did have her first born eye and blue eye pup, yippee
No they fucking don’t, if it were for their safety theyd wait for an issue to arise but they do it when they’re puppies so they can make fucking money off them.
I just have two questions, have you ever had any puppies die from this procedure? I'm in Lakewood, Colorado and haven't been able to find local vets that will do this for the tail and dew claws. There was vet that would do the tails, dew claws and ears. He did our dogs ears for a good 25 years but he retired and deserved to so, he was fairly old when he retired. I had a boxer give me a litter back in the mid 80's and there was no problem finding a vet to do the dew claws and tails. I have only had male boxers after the female that whelped that littler died and she lived 13 years that is pretty good for boxers. Now I have an 8th month old male boxer puppy that so far has outstanding confirmation and he is really smart and obedient with champion blood lines. I have put a downpayment on a female pup and I plan on breeding the two. So thanks to this video and a few others I probably will do the docking of the tails and dew claws myself. I have no problem with a vet doing that should I be able to find one. And my second question is; have you ever done boxer puppies?
Hi, thanks for watching, I have never lost a puppy from docking, it's such an easy procedure. I have never done a boxer, only Australian shepherds, mine are purebred but not registered, so I really don't worry about the exact length of the tail. Aussies are easy because the long hair basically covers the tail if I do it to short or long. Let me know if I can help in any way
@@ricosplace2 Your video was much help. So far it seems to be the best on this subject or at least the one with the most common sense. Thanks for posting it.
@@ricosplace2 Okay. A vet I used to work for declawed cats (under anesthesia, of course) with designated nail trimmers. I'm not sure if they got them someplace special so that they were extra sharp, though.
@@ricosplace2 Oh, thank you! I have the scissor kind. A small one for cat nails and a large one for dog nails. Mine aren't new, though. The one the vet used for declawing was the guillotine style. I never felt comfortable with those as a groomer, though, so I never bought any. I seem to remember the techs saying that it was an actual dog nail clipper that the vet was using for declaws. But it was a very long time ago, so I could be wrong.
Thank you for watching, and FYI , they were crying from the minute I separated remember from momma, the quit crying as soon as they were put back in with her. You should know all the facts before you Kate judgment, and if a video like this upsets you so much, perhaps you should not put yourself through all the stress of watching tail docking videos. I do feel bad that it upset so much.
@@sebastianusami lmao, you come to a video meant to educate those who wish to dock their puppies’ tail just to create hate comments. If you don’t get your goofy self out of here and find yourself something better to do
What do you think about banding the tail. I'm not for that for a number of reasons. 1. It cause prolonged pain. 2. That it doesn't work then you have a deformed tail and a vets usually charge a hefty fee to correct it, if you can find a vet to correct it. 3. It takes to long. The tails I've seen on here that were banded successfully do look good.
Sorry, I have another video coming out hopefully I show a close up. I put the dime right up next anus under the tail and then cut at an angle down from the top side of the tail
@@ricosplace2 so just so in clear you put absolutely nothing on the wound? Because I'm having a litter in 3 weeks and I'll probably end up doing it myself too. I was going to put some of that nu-stock sulphur cream on it. What do you think about that? And what kind of scissors are those?
@@PrimeHeru go get a pair of surgical scissors. One litter I used a sulfur powder on the tails and sprayed some Blue Coat Spray on them, but the momma did not like the taste of it' I was afraid shecwould not want them, but she took care of them just fine. I have never had a bleeding issue and the mom has always taken care of them. You can also use corn starch to dip tails in, but the mom is going to lick it off
@@PrimeHeru also, only do the tails if you feel confident, I do them on the second day, I am not doctor, but I am an agriculture teacher and have been around livestock and pups my whole life, good luck, what kind of dogs?
I got a litter of Rottweilers 2 days old. I don’t want to torture them but do want to dock their tail as they are working dog and play rough ( older dogs I have). Will they bleed ? I was thinking about banding them with rubber band or floss and I hear tail will drop off in 6 days. I really don’t wanna do it should I look for professional to do this.
How old do you snip the tails? What type of instruments do you use? How long does it take to heal? What’s the difference between “banding” and just cutting them? Just had my first litter of Aussie pups and need a little guidance!
When they are 3 to 5 days old. Banding is when you tie their tails extremely tight where it loses blood circulation and it will fall off after 6-7 days. Just cutting them is when you just cut their tails off.
I think that is what I have said in my videos. I I know in one video I mentioned the reasons why people have done it in the past. I know I have said I do it so they look like Australian shepherds, I would have a harder time selling them in they had tails. If people wanted to pre pay, no refunds, no matter what, I would leave the tails on
If you do it at 2 days old, there is not much blood and the mom will clean it up, after she is done cleaning them up you can put some kind of antiseptic on it
I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but docking and cropping should both be a Class 1 felony (as should breeding, but that's a different argument altogether). Contrary to popular belief, it IS painful, and they feel every second of it. You wouldn't take a human baby and just cut off a toe or a finger without a good reason or painkiller, would you? No? Animals are no different. And no, I'm not one of those wack jobs who tries to force everyone to their beliefs about animals, but that doesn't mean I don't oppose torture, either. And that's exactly what docking and cropping is, no matter how people try to justify it.
Since not all individual pups in any given litter is guranteed to be of breed standard worthy of showing or have the talent to be out working actual physical livestock herds, where tail docking in either show or working livestock herds has its place, my thoughts are A: if the docked tail look is what is disired, why not just go for those breeds that have naturally short or no tails to begin with, if the former is desired, would the already short tail be docked to be even more short? B : If tail docking comes into play with for show/registration purposes, keeping in mind not all individual pups in any given litter will be of breed standard furthering onto a show career or the talent to go out and work livestock, why dock all pups tails in the litter? Why not select a few potential showdogs at least, dock their tails, keep the rest entire, de-sex and sell the rest when weaned or there after? Curious thats all as i thought tail docking only served a purpose for future show dogs and dogs that are actually working livestock not just for dogs who for whatever reason can't/won't be shown or go out and be a working livestock dog.
Thank you so much for this video! I'll be whelping my first litter of Queensland puppies in mid March. I'm confident I can do this myself.. I just don't want to leave them too long. I'll be using the dime technique & a lamb tail docker.
@@pubghacker6753 I am not sure for all breeds, my aussies are purebred, but not registered or show quality, this measurements seems to look good on aussies and Queensland, wuo.d goba lil shorter on Queensland.
I don’t see the purpose if they’re not working animals. This tradition started because of what you stated but when you have them as a pet they should have the tail the tail is an indicator of animals mood quite often with dogs
Not near as bad as disbudding baby goats. I don't like to do it but if you've ever seen one caught in a fence strangled you'll see it's for their safety. Rock on Rico!
Thanks for the info! I know a lot of people may think it's cruel but think about it...we circumcise baby boys at 2 days old with very little anesthetic for mostly cosmetic purposes so that's something to think about. I am a nurse and have assisted with more circumcisions than I can count and it is WAY worse than docking a pup's tail. Do you just leave their dewclaws? or do you cut them off too?
Seriously lady. Dogs use their to tail to balance that is making sure they don’t have safety with that anymore. And also your cutting though bone. How about I cut your arm off through the bone.
I had a Australian Shepherd a few years back, best dog I ever had. Beautiful puppies
Thanks for the comme, be safe
i have a Mini Australian Shepard and a regular (?) Australian Shepard and they are two of the best dogs ive ever had 🥺💞
@cheese are there tails docked
Just docked our 5 two day old puppies. Hands were shaking but they responded just like yours. Thanks for the video.
They will be perfect, now let momma do her job
Awsome
Good job
The puppies look great!!!
It was her best litter so far
I love the puppy she is holding.
I think Stacy loves that one too. Stay safe
Wow cute puppies ♥️
We raise red and blue heelers. I have read that the dog uses the tail for a counterbalance with real sharp changes in direction. I've owned and worked heelers for 35 years. Never had a tail stepped on or crushed. I think people do it for looks. We dock tails when the new owners ask us to. There is a dog called the stumpy tailed cattle dog that resembles a heeler but naturally has no tail. Aussies have longer hair then their cousins the heeler so maybe it would be good to keep the dingleberries off.
Thanks for your comment.
Yes you are absolutely correct . Lot of tumbleweed where we are and it keeps them from always have to mess with tail. You know healers and shepherds are the samecwah only bigger. Real gamey. Pups are perfect solud black white Merle blazes and around 55lbs. Amazing dogs
What is the latest you’ve banded a tail?
@@Shrtymgs You can cut them off if under 4 days old. It's recommended that aftet that you wait 6 months and then have a vet remove it.
Very true
Personal opinion: I think dogs are much prettier with tails.
It a personal choice, most people buying Australian shepherds want them docked
We like them docked so when and if we train them to move cattle to just train them for becoming a gaurd dog we dond have to worry about ther long tails getting in the way and caught in thing, or even stepped on, its more of the dogs benifid then the personal look, i dont want to judge, i like long tails to, but it dous help them😅
I literally just sent this not a minute and i already got a like😂
@@BlueBellStudios love the comment, thanks
This mutilation is horrific. Having said that, I'm a breeder and forced to do this because the evil AKC has made the short tail a standard so you cannot sell the puppies without this horrible procedure. The AKC needs to develop empathy
Hi, does it leave a hairless spot on the tip of the tail if you don't suture the opening closed? I've been docking my Dobermans tails for awhile now and have sutured the incisions closed. However, most of the time my dam will just bite sutures out when cleaning them. Wondering if this would save my time and be less stressful on the pups. Thank you
I have never noticed a bald spot, but they have longvhair
Great Job! I am a breeder of mini and Toy Poodles...I used a dime...but most buyers commented on tails to short...they needed the pom-pom....So I went the size of a nickel and a bit under... keep up the great videos!
Thanks I appreciate the commemt
Did you do anything to stop the bleeding? Or just let heal on its own? I bad an aussie years ago and remember seeing stitches in his docked tail
I just let it heal, they don't really bleed that much , momma will Clea them up and take care of any bleeding
What equipment did you use for the tail docking? Scissors or forceps?
Surgical scissors, any s issor as long as itbis sharp
Does this method leave a bald spot on the end of the tail? My dobie from the breeder had a really bad bald spot that I have the vet remedy while getting cropped.
If you cut at angle it heals up nicely, but the Australians have long hair, so I really have not noticed a bald spot on the puppies
At how many days old do you perform the docking?
1-2. They say 3 or younger
How do you take care of the pups tails after docked? I just had all ours docked by the studs owner (they do it all the time and are breeders) but not sure what i do as the owner of the mom and pups right now. They are 2 days old. Mom is licking them.
Hi, there is not a lot you have to do. Make sure pups are in a clean area. Make sure the docked area is clean and scabbing over. The mom should do a good job cleaning them up. My pups are driving me crazy!!!
I have seen them tied and they fall off on their own. Have you tried that way?
I have not tried that, maybe if she has pups again
So if you were desiring a dog with a short ear crop you could also do it at this time too, right? That way nerve endings haven't developed and you wouldn't have to use anesthesia and stitches at a couple months old?
Do you have the dew claws done? Yes when u dock the tails it really doesn't hurt because of how young they are.
OMG. I totally forgot to check for dew claws. Stay safe my freinds
wrong, newborns feel more pain than adults. that is true for humans and other mammals.
What type of scissors were used?or which would you recommend m
I use a pair of surgical siccors. , they just have to be sharp in order to make one quick cut
So there is no prep work? Just snip and done?
of course, that's how you mutilate!!
Hi I have a litter of cowboy corgis that I just docked jc how long before the bleeding stops and mommas not really cleaning it what can I use on it?
Dip them in cornstarch, but I bet the bleeding stopped. How old were the pups
How are their tails now? We had a litter last night and will be doing it for the first time here in a couple of days! Did you remove the dew claws?
What scissors do you use?
I use a pair of surgical scissors.
In my thirties I raised chocolate cockers and black and tan cockers. I just watched a video of a lady docking a miniature schnauzers she put a clamp on the tail then got scissors and oh my gosh please stop doing that. Thank you for posting a very Humane tail docking video. It's the way I did it with my Cocker's my sister would hold them and I would clip the tail if we did it on day three or four we put one future in it. Most of our puppies didn't make a sound but we did use mayo surgical scissors. Great video love the towel thank you for the idea about the bowl and the bucket that's kind of cool way to keep them on one spot nice and tight. Puppies like to cuddle I bet they enjoyed the bucket and Bowl
What a great comment!! Have a wonderful week!
What kind of scissors did you use?
I use surgical scissors
I think Yorkies and Poodles have their tails docked and so do boxers
Probably a lot more than we can’t think of right now. I love Aussie pups!
Aussies are the greatest. Stay safe
Correct-by licensed Veterinarian's in a clinical setting...🤦♀️
@@angelaellis1214 no this doesn’t need to be done in a clinic bulls are clipped in the field it’s called banding
This is my border collies 2nd litter, daddy is an aussie, last litter we took them to a vet to get the tails docked, and this time I want to dock them myself and save a little money. This was very helpful thank you.
Glad it helped, it's easy, just do it
Why don't you use regular large scissors instead of the small ones? Or do the big ones cause a problem?
I have always used surgical scissors. I think they make a sharper cut
I got 2 Australian shepherd blue merle male and red tri female best dogs ever!!!
I want a red female
I read that they cut the tails off because they kept getting stuck on barbed wire. And also whats a better way, cut or use the rubber band method?
Cutting them is simple, not much pain, you can use a band I think a little older, but I will always cut
@@ricosplace2 not much pain? That's completely incorrect mate
@@peterian588 accorrding to vets there is not a lot of nerve feelings at 1-2 days, but, you probably know more than the doctors
@@ricosplace2 well according to vets they do feel pain, according to your own video when your cut the tail and it let our a long yelp they feel pain. But whatever helps you sleep at night.
Thank you. My first litter is in about a month. A little less than a dime is a great reference. My first Aussi looks like she has no tail but my second Aussie I'm pretty sure they followed the quarter reference lol.
Hell, they all wiggle the same
What type of scissors do you use?
Surgical scissors
How did you do it without blood coming out?? Do they not bleed?
They dont really bleed that much, just some spotty blood, i guess there is not alot of blood vessels in the tail at that age
Thank you for this. We will be breeding our rotties. I thought we had to take them to the vet. So glad I saw this. That would of been a heck of a bill
Hey there - we just did our puppies like you did yours, they are bleeding a little , how long until it stops? Mom has been cleaning them up! Thanks for the informational video.
They shouldn't bleed to much, how are they doing? Thanks for watching.
It's scary that you are asking this person for vet advice for newborn puppies. Ask a vet or a local breeder from a regional breed club affiliated with the AKC.
Rico's Place Everybody is doing great ! Slowly growing up. All tails healing well. :)
Glad to hear it!!
@@courtneystevenson3213 hi! how are they doing? im gonna do it to my puppies and i would like to know :)
Hey I had a question and maybe you could answer it for me I’ve seen people use superglue after docking the tail you didn’t I’m just curious as to why and your opinion.
The tails do not bleed very much, and the mom keeps the incision clean
Are the puppies at any risk of infection from docking the tail? Should the scissor be cleaned with alcohol first?
Also, how short do you dock for Old English Sheepdogs? Still the half dime rule? Anyone know?
@@saltyprepper5513 I have never had any pups get infection, I did spray on blue coat once but the mom liked it off, yes disinfect scissors, I always get a fresh pair from a friend from a local hospital, not sure on the length of tail
Are you using a medical scissors? If so what is the blade length?
I use a standard surgical scissor, it might be 3 or 4 inches long, maybe 2, they just have to be super sharp
Will the tip heal once the scab is formed?
It will heal just fine
How long should be taken out?
Depending on the breed, either a leave a dime or a Nicole's length
So no bandages needed ?
No bandages
Is the mama a mini or standard?
She is a standard
How long does it take for the hair to grow back on the tail?
I gotta know this too.
Emperor Sanders not that long, after the dog is 10 yrs old the tail will be almost fully grown again
Thevtails will scab over, the hair from the tail will cover the cut,
@@JJ-gr7th 10 years to nbevfully frown back, now that's funny
@@JJ-gr7th ten fucking years this bitch😹😹😹
Dogs have no reason to have docked tails or ears unless it’s specifically recommended by a vet. The few times where tail docking should be allowed is if the dog will be working with large animals or broke the bone in its tail and it can’t be repaired.
Thanks for watching
@@ricosplace2 Thanks for removing a body part that helps the dogs to move.
Is it the same method for mini aussies?
That's a good question, I would go shorter than a dime, if they are pet quality probably not a big deal, but if they are registered show quality you might want to find a good breeder and ask them. Hope that helped
I thought you use rubberbans. Don't they bleed when you do that?
There is just a few spots of blood, ooo rd really a pretty simple process. Stay safe
I saw the rubber band used in a video on boxers..they keep the band in and the tail soon looses blood flow..dies and falls right off.
any butchery's fine, when you try to justify mutilation!
@@NikkieRoxxx some men are circumcised at birth, this is basically the same
@@Peacekeepers_OT yes: its all called mutilations!
I have Dobermans ...love your video ❤
Thanks
Is it a little mean? Yea, but at birth they won’t remember, it’s like if your a boy abs you were ‘trimmed’ it didn’t hurt
Thanks for watching
Well yea it is. Your risking it’s safety. Dogs use their tail for balance. And not only that you are cutting through bone.
How long for a Doberman?
I am not a 100% sure for a Doberman, but I would use a nickel. Australians have a lot of hair so you really don't see the stubb, let me know how it turns out
:( tail docking made painful
you cant use pain killers or anything when they are that young, their nerves aren't fully developed making it much less painful. its better this way then the tails getting stomped on by a cow
@@zeiro7027 The thing is though, I agree with Megan, because how many of these Aussies are actually going to be bred to work on a farm? I have one myself, and we live in a small home and take her on three long walks a day. I totally get what you mean by the above, better early than late! But in my opinion, better never than ever. It has been a pretty controversial topic about how many dogs actually lose their tails to cows. What I personally believe, is that the dog uses its tail for so many purposes, including balance when running, expressing emotions, and has even been proven to be used when interacting with other dogs. The reason that dogs naturally have a lighter color underneath their tail, is so that they can flag down other dogs and ultimately reflect how they are feeling. Nevertheless, we don't know how much pain is inflicted so I fully agree with doing it younger if you're going to. Good day, and this is just my opinion, nothing meant to be personal : )
@@zeiro7027 I have a hard time believing that these puppies don't feel pain from the way they are squealing though. In all honesty I don't think the people in this video are being cruel, but I do think that the breed standard should be reconsidered. Most of these dogs will end up as house pets making this seem like a good deal of unneeded work for the owners and pain for the pups.
@@rebeccamorningglory6011 I agree with you on the standards but not all breeders doc tails. I don't think they don't feel anything I didn't say that. They feel something they dont like obviously but its not as it would be for a more grown puppy
@@zeiro7027 Okay no worries:)
We always dip our puppies tails in all purpose flour before we take them back to momma to lick clean. And we heard it from an old farmer that used to breed.
You can use flour or cornstarch to stop bleeding, I will use cornstarch to stop bleeding if I clip a dog's nail to short. Thanks for TBE comment
@@ricosplace2 What about the stop bleeding stuff? I like the cornstarch idea.
My great auntie uses pollen from corn to stop bleeding. Not on dogs but just in general
Doing it like that is cruel and painful it’s horrible to see you cut a tail and think it doesn’t hurt or is traumatizing. Put your beer down and let someone use a scissor to cut off you finger and see how you feel. People have no feelings when it comes to animals
Thanks for watching, glad I can educate the ignorant
Good video! I like your style Rico!
Thanks for watching
How old is too late to dock them?
DO NOT DOCK AFTER 3 DAYS, call a vet if you want to dock an older puppy.
Great video
have a nice day
Be safe my friend
@@ricosplace2 you too
Do you alcohol or put something on for blood? How do you take care of it post dock?
I just let mom clean it up, but you can put something on it but the mom is just going to lick it off
@@ricosplace2 Great, thank you!
@@serenity-michellepadilla8930 thanks for watching, I appreciate the comments
@@ricosplace2 OMG I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE HELL YOU CAN "DO" THIS!:O:@:'( DON'T YOU THINK THE MUM WONDER ABOUT WHY THEY DON'T HAVE SO LONG TAIL ANYMORE?! HOW "LONG" TIME DO THEY HAVE "PAIN"?! THEY CRY WHEN YOU DID THIS!:O:'((U)
@@mineonlyedwardcullen dew claws are removed and tails are docked on most hunting/working dogs. If it is not done then they can have a very serious dew claw injury out in the brush if it gets caught on something. Ive seen a dog need its whole paw amputated because of a severe dew claw tear. if their tails are not docked they will beat them bloody once theyre on prey and then you can have very serious complications and end up with a huge vet bill and then the dog has to have their tail amputated anyway. This SHOULD be done within their 1st 48 hours after birth, their nerves have not fully developed. Im not gonna lie, they do still feel it, im sure its not pleasant but if it's done early and well, there is very minimal pain because their nerves are not fully developed yet. Yes it does still hurt a little but its very minimal. They go through 2minutes of pain so that hopefully they'll have a lifetime free of injuries. Usually Within 5 minutes theyre back to sleep or nursing. The "screams" are not pleasant, and some whine/cry more than others, but they wont feel/remember it 5mins down the road if done correctly. Hope you're well, stay safe.
Does the trail bleed??
They have some spotty blood, but momma cleans them up, i have never had any issues
When I was a kid we raised bird dogs Brittany spaniels and Doberman Pinschers if you feel on the tail you can kind of feel where the second joint is going to be and we cut in between what would be the second and third joint ours never really cried either I don't think it hurts them as bad as getting your dog fixed (broken) I never understood why they said you were fixing them
Thanks for watching, I love Brittney spaniels
Glad I found this video. I have someone wanting the runt male with a cut tail and was wondering how i should do it. Thanks for your help!
Do not dock the tail if the puppies are older than three days. for me 1 day old works best, again do not cut the tails if the puppies are older than 3 days. thanks for watching
Why don’t you do banding like the do with mastiff’s just curious
Snipping is quick, I see no reason to ban
I have two jack Russell terriers... one with a tail and one without, both cute but I’m torn on the topic. Now i do plan on breeding and I’m scared ppl are going to question if they are purebred if I don’t cut the tails. What’s your opinion on that? Do they bleed?
Hi, Let me start with at 1 or 2 days old they do Not really bleed, you can dip the tails in corn starch and mom usually will clean the pups up pretty good. At that age there really isn't much discomfort, I am not going to say they don't feel any pain. My opinion on tail vs no tail, I feel like if people are going to pay a lot of money for a Jack Russel they want it to look like a Jack Russel. I would not have bought my Australians if they had tails. I often wonder if people would pay the same price with a tail. Feel free to ask any questions. You can email if you like Richard.goodding@gmail.com
Just had my first litter of mini aussie pups. I have a question- how do you deal with the blood? Is there a chance they might bleed out and die without any medical intervention? I'd like to dock tails at home, I'm just worried I might accidentally kill one from blood loss :/
I have never had an issue with alot of bleeding, make sure you dock in the first two days. You can buy a sulfur drug to dip the tails in to stop any bleeding, you can spray the tails with an antiseptic spray, Blue Cote is a brand I use. My female has always been a good mom and keeps everything clean. The one year I dipped and sprayed the tails the mom did not like the taste of the medicine so I don't use it anymore. It is important to dock in the first two days, the third day at the latest, do not cut the tails after three days. If you do not feel confident, don't do it!! Good luck, let me know how it goes
I have called more than 30 vet and half of them they don’t do duck tails and the other half they don’t have any appointment. Since covid is super hard to find a vet. My puppies are 4 days old and I need tu hace it done soon. Can I do it at 4 days old?
I have only done them 3 days or younger, I don't want to tell you 4 days is ok. As they get older there might be more bleeding and more pain. You need to make your decision to day, either dock them or leave the tails.
Some dogs are required the tail to be docked per AKC show dog requirements
No stitches or glue needed?
No, I have never had an infection or issue, the mom keeps the area very clean
Thanks! I love Aussies, what about due claws?
I have never done dew claws, I think you can just snip them, but not sure, you better do some research
I'm actually about to do this tomorrow on 3 day old teacup yorkies ... and I've been asking lots of questions - I've been told there's little to no bleeding, and to not let 'mom' in for a while just so she doesn't lick at the cut - is this pretty accurate?
I have never done for kids, I always put Daisy Mae's pups right back with her. I have never had a bleeding issye6, just spots, I do mine at 2 days, but have done 3 day once. Be confident,just do it, let me know how it goes.
@@ricosplace2 It went more or less without a hitch. The easiest and yet the most nerve-wracking thing I've done in a while. My original tool, even being sharp enough to shave my fingernail took two attempts, then I went to plan B which was a large set of fabric shears that cut you just looking at them. They worked perfectly and instantly. Tiny yelp from 1 only because my helper was squeezing too hard out of nervousness and it was just a bead of blood on the tip that smeared on the fleece I placed all 4 in one at a time. I ended up dabbing neosporin on the tip before letting 'mom' around them and within 2 minutes everything was back to normal and they were all fast asleep.
@@SeanPwnery awsome job
@@SeanPwnery what scissors did you use the second time?
The biggest and sharpest pair of fabric shears I had ... they worked instantly, easily, and effortlessly.
I’ve had 3 Rat Terriers who came to me with docked tails. A Doberman puppy with a docked tail, but kept his ears natural. I just purchased a Corgi with a docked tail. It’s impossible to find a breeder who WON’T dock tails, and leave them natural. My heart still felt bad for them.💔💔
I agree, a lot of people won't buy the pups with tails if they are looking for a specific breed, thanks for watching
A lot of clints want things done a specific way which wouldn’t be a problem however people request certain things then decide to cancel on said puppy, making it practically impossible for breeders to find a replacement home therefore that’s most breeders choose to do what’s standard to that breed unless the client is prepared to pay in full as soon as the puppy is born ( non-refundable ) .The client would need to choose a puppy immediately and that is extremely difficult for clients and breeders, breeders prefer to wait until the puppies have gotten older before allowing clients choose. Another important factor is your position on the waiting list therefore a client may need to wait for a future litter allow them to have first pick.
@@heidigomez001 good comment, I am not a big breeder, just my two dogs, was hoping to get a red female, no luck yet, Daisey did have her first born eye and blue eye pup, yippee
I think they have beautiful tails. It's a shame they got to go.
@@billcetta3107they don’t have to go. This is cruel.
why you dont use rubber for tail docking??
The bands take longer, when you cut them the mom can clean them up immediately. There is some pain with the bands also
I wish I had your guts to do this! Mine are more of a old English bulldog and Frenchie mix.
They do it for there safety they are farm dogs they herd and they are also police dogs
Thanks for watching
@@ricosplace2 Yw
No they fucking don’t, if it were for their safety theyd wait for an issue to arise but they do it when they’re puppies so they can make fucking money off them.
So they can look a certain way for show.
I just have two questions, have you ever had any puppies die from this procedure? I'm in Lakewood, Colorado and haven't been able to find local vets that will do this for the tail and dew claws. There was vet that would do the tails, dew claws and ears. He did our dogs ears for a good 25 years but he retired and deserved to so, he was fairly old when he retired. I had a boxer give me a litter back in the mid 80's and there was no problem finding a vet to do the dew claws and tails. I have only had male boxers after the female that whelped that littler died and she lived 13 years that is pretty good for boxers. Now I have an 8th month old male boxer puppy that so far has outstanding confirmation and he is really smart and obedient with champion blood lines. I have put a downpayment on a female pup and I plan on breeding the two. So thanks to this video and a few others I probably will do the docking of the tails and dew claws myself. I have no problem with a vet doing that should I be able to find one. And my second question is; have you ever done boxer puppies?
Hi, thanks for watching, I have never lost a puppy from docking, it's such an easy procedure. I have never done a boxer, only Australian shepherds, mine are purebred but not registered, so I really don't worry about the exact length of the tail. Aussies are easy because the long hair basically covers the tail if I do it to short or long. Let me know if I can help in any way
@@ricosplace2 Your video was much help. So far it seems to be the best on this subject or at least the one with the most common sense. Thanks for posting it.
@@AmericanIsraeliJew I appreciate the comment, let me know if I can ever help.
I am having a liter of dobies! Can i do the same on them!? Do they need anesthesia? Will they bleed a lot?? Thank You
It needs to be done before 3 days old, watch lots of videos , only do it if you feel comfortable doing it.
How old they got to be to do it?
They have to be under 3 days, I think day 2 is the best
Would dog nail trimmers work if they were brand new?
Not sure about that, as long as they are new and sharp, they should work, they have to make straight sharp cut
@@ricosplace2 Okay. A vet I used to work for declawed cats (under anesthesia, of course) with designated nail trimmers. I'm not sure if they got them someplace special so that they were extra sharp, though.
@@anyascelticcreations I will look on Amazon and pet shop, I think I have an idea which kind the use, it might be the style that resembles scissors
@@ricosplace2 Oh, thank you! I have the scissor kind. A small one for cat nails and a large one for dog nails. Mine aren't new, though.
The one the vet used for declawing was the guillotine style. I never felt comfortable with those as a groomer, though, so I never bought any.
I seem to remember the techs saying that it was an actual dog nail clipper that the vet was using for declaws. But it was a very long time ago, so I could be wrong.
this is so sad… they’re literally crying in pain……
Thank you for watching, and FYI , they were crying from the minute I separated remember from momma, the quit crying as soon as they were put back in with her. You should know all the facts before you Kate judgment, and if a video like this upsets you so much, perhaps you should not put yourself through all the stress of watching tail docking videos. I do feel bad that it upset so much.
This is just cruel. If your going to intentionally hurt animals you should not have them.
@@sebastianusami I appreciate you input
@@sebastianusami lmao, you come to a video meant to educate those who wish to dock their puppies’ tail just to create hate comments. If you don’t get your goofy self out of here and find yourself something better to do
What do you think about banding the tail. I'm not for that for a number of reasons. 1. It cause prolonged pain. 2. That it doesn't work then you have a deformed tail and a vets usually charge a hefty fee to correct it, if you can find a vet to correct it. 3. It takes to long. The tails I've seen on here that were banded successfully do look good.
It's so easy to cut them, snip and it's done, I only band lamb tails
If you ever want to email me feel free, richard.goodding@gmail.com
@@ricosplace2 do you use a specific type of scissors for it?
@@jordanchandler9257 I use surgical scissors, just make sure they are sharp
I dock my yorkies and do their dew claws great video.
Thanks
I wanted to see it close up, I want to see where you measure from. How close to the body?
Sorry, I have another video coming out hopefully I show a close up. I put the dime right up next anus under the tail and then cut at an angle down from the top side of the tail
How do you prevent infection?
You can put an antibiotic ointment or spray, but I just let the mom take care of it, I have never had any infection or issues
Please how long would it take the wound to heal.? I love your videos.
It scabs up in a day and the mom takes care of it, they really are not in muxh pain
@@ricosplace2 so just so in clear you put absolutely nothing on the wound? Because I'm having a litter in 3 weeks and I'll probably end up doing it myself too. I was going to put some of that nu-stock sulphur cream on it. What do you think about that? And what kind of scissors are those?
@@PrimeHeru go get a pair of surgical scissors. One litter I used a sulfur powder on the tails and sprayed some Blue Coat Spray on them, but the momma did not like the taste of it' I was afraid shecwould not want them, but she took care of them just fine. I have never had a bleeding issue and the mom has always taken care of them. You can also use corn starch to dip tails in, but the mom is going to lick it off
@@PrimeHeru also, only do the tails if you feel confident, I do them on the second day, I am not doctor, but I am an agriculture teacher and have been around livestock and pups my whole life, good luck, what kind of dogs?
@@ricosplace2 Corsos.
I got a litter of Rottweilers 2 days old. I don’t want to torture them but do want to dock their tail as they are working dog and play rough ( older dogs I have). Will they bleed ? I was thinking about banding them with rubber band or floss and I hear tail will drop off in 6 days. I really don’t wanna do it should I look for professional to do this.
Sorry, I just saw this my internet sucks here, how did everything turn out
I think you guys did great!!!
Thanks, Stacy will become a pro soon
Nothing wrong at all learning to do those things yourself especially the way the world is going currently.
@@galloway1992 I agree
This is disgusting. What is wrong with you people?
How old do you snip the tails? What type of instruments do you use? How long does it take to heal? What’s the difference between “banding” and just cutting them? Just had my first litter of Aussie pups and need a little guidance!
When they are 3 to 5 days old.
Banding is when you tie their tails extremely tight where it loses blood circulation and it will fall off after 6-7 days.
Just cutting them is when you just cut their tails off.
@@BlueLemonade144 No. Not after 3 days. 24 hours to 3 days. No older.
@@anyascelticcreations My vet has docked my dobermans' tails at 6 days with zero problems. But I would agree to do it earlier just to be safer.
Let’s be honest, you do it for looks and nothing else
I think that is what I have said in my videos. I I know in one video I mentioned the reasons why people have done it in the past. I know I have said I do it so they look like Australian shepherds, I would have a harder time selling them in they had tails. If people wanted to pre pay, no refunds, no matter what, I would leave the tails on
Thanks for the video. Do you need to do anything for bleeding immediately after cutting and do we tie it above where we cut to keep it from bleeding?
If you do it at 2 days old, there is not much blood and the mom will clean it up, after she is done cleaning them up you can put some kind of antiseptic on it
@@ricosplace2 would iodine be good for this?
@@TM-gx8jz just remember what ever you apply the mom is going to lick off
When the best time to do this...mine are 4 days old.
They say 3 days or younger
There is a banding method that works very well the tail just falls off after about 5 days and it gives a nicer looking tail
I prefer cutting, but I know a lot of people band. Thanks for watching
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Can’t believe veterinarians charge money for this . Thank you for the video
And they charge a lot
I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but docking and cropping should both be a Class 1 felony (as should breeding, but that's a different argument altogether).
Contrary to popular belief, it IS painful, and they feel every second of it. You wouldn't take a human baby and just cut off a toe or a finger without a good reason or painkiller, would you? No? Animals are no different.
And no, I'm not one of those wack jobs who tries to force everyone to their beliefs about animals, but that doesn't mean I don't oppose torture, either.
And that's exactly what docking and cropping is, no matter how people try to justify it.
Thanks for watching and supporting the chanel
Since not all individual pups in any given litter is guranteed to be of breed standard worthy of showing or have the talent to be out working actual physical livestock herds, where tail docking in either show or working livestock herds has its place, my thoughts are A: if the docked tail look is what is disired, why not just go for those breeds that have naturally short or no tails to begin with, if the former is desired, would the already short tail be docked to be even more short? B : If tail docking comes into play with for show/registration purposes, keeping in mind not all individual pups in any given litter will be of breed standard furthering onto a show career or the talent to go out and work livestock, why dock all pups tails in the litter? Why not select a few potential showdogs at least, dock their tails, keep the rest entire, de-sex and sell the rest when weaned or there after? Curious thats all as i thought tail docking only served a purpose for future show dogs and dogs that are actually working livestock not just for dogs who for whatever reason can't/won't be shown or go out and be a working livestock dog.
Thanks for watching
Why not use banding instead? No blood and the excess drops off after about 3 days.
Snipping is easier and there really isn't much blood
Thank you so much for this video!
I'll be whelping my first litter of Queensland puppies in mid March. I'm confident I can do this myself.. I just don't want to leave them too long. I'll be using the dime technique & a lamb tail docker.
Go a little shorter than the dime
Rico's Place is that pretty much the standard sizing for all breeds.
@@pubghacker6753 I am not sure for all breeds, my aussies are purebred, but not registered or show quality, this measurements seems to look good on aussies and Queensland, wuo.d goba lil shorter on Queensland.
@@ricosplace2 thank you!
@@Passion4crafting you don't need Crazy Glue when you use double clutch emasculators and scissors are horrible idea
I don’t see the purpose if they’re not working animals. This tradition started because of what you stated but when you have them as a pet they should have the tail the tail is an indicator of animals mood quite often with dogs
Not near as bad as disbudding baby goats. I don't like to do it but if you've ever seen one caught in a fence strangled you'll see it's for their safety. Rock on Rico!
Yep, sometimes we have to do those things, wish nephew Dutch would deform his. Stay safe
Thanks for the info! I know a lot of people may think it's cruel but think about it...we circumcise baby boys at 2 days old with very little anesthetic for mostly cosmetic purposes so that's something to think about. I am a nurse and have assisted with more circumcisions than I can count and it is WAY worse than docking a pup's tail. Do you just leave their dewclaws? or do you cut them off too?
Thanks for watching
I always forget about the dew claws, I get mad everyone, haha, maybe next time I will remember
Seriously lady. Dogs use their to tail to balance that is making sure they don’t have safety with that anymore. And also your cutting though bone. How about I cut your arm off through the bone.
I've seen plenty of vids how how to dock tails. Not much on aftercare or guidance in the following days.
The mom takes care of everything
What’s the name of scissors
Surgical scissors
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what happens if you dont?
If you don't dock they probably will be harder to sale, that's the reality
nOTHING REALLY, PEOPLE LIKED DOCKED BETTER, BUT DONT DO THIS, GET A VET
@@brittanym2725 you don't need a vet to dock tails, it is such a simple procedure