@@sherrymakwana3087it doesn'tChristians are raiding the comments without even watching the full video: Here's what happened: Jay in his opening statement claimed that even before early chruch and Paul and Jesus the doctrine of trinity existed and he did argument from silence because he just said something without any evedience, but in last he started criticizing while questioning the same thing " Allah has hands ans shin" which daniel perfectly responded then proceeded to strawman muslim beliefs that the divine essence are equal to divine attributes, which is lie and starman. Mulsim lantern: Now mulsim lantern explicitly said he wants to question for clarification 11:46 , accusing him for commiting strawman and other fallacies is illogical . As he was questioning The clarification thing could have been done within 2 minute and jay just would have said "no" "yes" or say " you are strawmaning me , I never Said that" but instead just because of one misunderstanding, jay just interrupted him over 4-5 minutes , even though lantern could have took his small response and corrected himself or either said he was talking about another point. But no jay just completely started intrurrupting right after he accused lantern for strawmanning , he just because of that wasted almost 5 minutes and didn't let lantern talk. And yet jay was trying to victimize himself. I dislike sneako's moderating as he was not trying to handle the situation, what type of moderator does that? Jay wasn't even letting lantern speak properly while lantern listened to him throughly. Finally after waste of time jay did he didn't interrupted and lantern showed the problems within early chruch opinions and debunked jay's view on tawheed again. So that was it, remember when jay was accusing him for strawman lantern was questioning him for clarification, even if there's a starwman in his question, he questioned for clarification so he wouldn't misunderstand and strawman jay. That's what question for clarification is. So accusing for being fallacious is non sense. To be honest jay already cooked himself and L moderator.
@@johnsey2625 Dear Polanity brothers grow up with charch lie.God become baby, GOD become a son, GOD have a father ,God have a mother ,GOD become Man, GOD become ignorent, GOD become week, GOD become dependent, GOD humbled, GOD need rest, GOD forget remind by rainbow, GOD become curse, GOD need human blood sacrifice like a pagans GOD, GOD can die, God become fully Man fully GOD even shemale can't do that fully Man fully women 😂. Polanity brothers if you're book says GOD become cockroach you would believe that too😂😂 Hosea 11:9 for I am GOD, and not man. Your bible one time say 1+1=2 another time say 1+1=1 .full of contradiction all over the book. I can go on and on. Bible is not a reliable source of information. Clear sign of lying... Romans 3:7 If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?” I don't I won't and I will never worship a week GOD like that.I would rather chose hell fire.If someone killed by humans,then we can killed again if I may not someone else will.I only worship the only one highest being the highest glory highest beauty.A man as GOD doesn't satisfie me.I wood die rather believe a man is GOD. By the way biblical GOD have a father and also a mother where is brothers and sisters as well as uncle's and so on.🤔🤣 in the beginning was the confusion, and the confusion was with confusion, and the confusion was confusion. and the confusion become confusion~ 🤭
every single time christian dont allow muslims to speak, even though he was lying about Allah and the Quran before and still the muslim didnt interrupt him
All the Christian’s saying “lantern destroyed” “internet was the worst thing for Islam” Did you watch the debate muted and with your eyes closed? Massive copium lol
@@Bishalysl only cope is from you muslims, who cannot accept appeals to authority and circular reasoning as being fallacious - you appeal to a book you say is corrupted to validate your own book.
Jay didn't know the difference between attributes within an entity and parts. He accepted the fact that the bible has been corrupted. He also accepted the fact that christian scholars have different views about Jesus. He also admitted that Jesus submits to the father which means the father is superior to Jesus. Jay threw christianity under the bus when he accepted this because the entire polytheistic religion of Christianity depends on the corrupt bible and the Jesus. This is the reason why churches are being sold off to muslims for chump change.@@Omar12831
This Lantern guy is so good, he should be a lawyer. He turned Jay; who is a respectable scholar, into a babbling kid, this was embarrassing. Imagine losing so bad that you have to resort to making fun of someone’s accent.
Your muslim scholar doesn't even understand basic english. Asking what is the meaning of a fallacy in the middle of the debate? You muslims should try investing in basic philosophy and understanding basic philosophical terminology.
Lantern was embarrassing. He made multiple logical fallacies, relied on strawman and circular reasoning without knowing it. He couldn’t even steelman Jay position and lied multiple times during the debate. The clown couldn’t even track an argument… lantern was literally “uhhh what did you say? can you repeat that? That was too much” 💀 😭😭😭
I watched the whole debate and can 1000% say Jay won. Lol what are you on about. What I noticed about the muslim kids that they still support their fellow brother even if he got cooked😂
@@sixnine3414 it's spelt "baby" mensa member, I can only pray for poor Muslim lantern, the huge gulps of water he was taking all night after back to back debate losses was sad to see, after he admitted his prophet was a p e d o
@@sixnine3414 Lol Even After a Biased Moderator and using fallacious arguments Your mohammad ali got cooked, fried and roasted.. Couldn't answer a single question kept Deflecting if that's what you call a debate then you are simply stupid.
@@johnsey2625 yeah because Andrew was there and jay shared the link with his fans and uploaded the vedio it would ony make sense for him to have more votes
This young guy Lantern is actually really intelligent. I’m impressed with his ability to debate and his manners even when this other guy continued to interrupt him
Sadly it was the already debunked Muslim Lantern who fell apart so quickly that he resorted to childish tactics to try and frustrate Jay to give the impression he was winning. But he failed. ML looked ridiculous here. Dawah is busted.
@@loledssdafd3429 I feel for you Christians. Your only sense of victory is by spamming chats and making polls directly aimed at your audience to decide who has won. It's embarrassing that your representatives do not present good enough arguments for you to rely on your victories.
Muslim lantern literally started his OPENER with questions which you dont do if you know anything about debating and then tried to strawman jay lol. How are you blaming this on jay
I don’t know what you heard but ML refused to answer the question Jay asked. It’s simple are Allahs attributes and body parts part of Him or not? If they are, then your god is a composite, that exists in time and space because body parts MUST be contained within a space: If they are not part of him then they are independent and you have many gods. The point is Muslims even today do not exegete the Quran , they will say of those verses and allahuaalim. In the past they went to war over these differences.
@@kichki777 Jay dyer basically said he doesn't believe the main stream trinity which is the actual idea of trinity and he also said Jesus is not God because he is subordinate to the father.
@@Salio_MendesYeah that’s the problem. You guys don’t understand our terminology and I don’t want to sound disrespectful. He said that there is no difference in ontology and thus no difference in essence.
@@mudaaa1015your boy jay got frustrated af when Muslim lantern asked where they unified in the trinity and the man started crying about fuck all 😂😂, answer the question jay , we’re they unified or not ? Clown shit
Notice how almost none of these Muhammedans are actually addressing Jay's arguments, they're just complaining that he kept interrupting lol. That tells you that they didn't even listen what Jay was saying; it just went in one ear and out the other. And the ones that actually do mention Jay's arguments completely miss his points. Muhammedans are just slow.
I mean ML doesn't even understand what fallacy means? Like Muslims if you want to get someone to debate in English, at least get someone who can speak english to college level.
@@szuvibes9474 Not only was ML NOT understanding what Jay's arguments even were, he kept misrepresenting what he was saying. Then when pressed about his attributes, he kept referring to creatures to describe how Allah is nothing like us, which tells us absolutely nothing.
By reading the comments I thought: How could they think Jay won this? Then I reminded myself that they believe in the Trinity of course they can think Jay won this. Allahu Akbar.
@@cramax4871 Don‘t write nonsene if you’re not able to read. You believe in things Jesus didn’t believe. You think you know the faith better than Jesus. 1 Samuel 15:3, 1 Timothy 2:5, Mark 11:12-14, John 11:34, the famous Mark 13:32.
@@cramax4871 No I actually watch both sides. I am Albanian from Kosova and Christians and Muslims live together. 5 meters away from the mosque there is a church and they live peacefully. As a Muslim with many Christian friends I actually feel sad and cannot comprehend what Christians will tell Jesus when Jesus returns and he tells them „I didn’t tell you to worship me“. Without interpretation, Christianity dies. Just look at the explanation of the Trinity. Jay did it in 5 minutes. And in Deuteronomy 6:4 it took literally 3-4 seconds to explain God.
@@mikaelson5248 16] Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. [17] And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted. [18] And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. [19] Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [20] teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age And you think God can be explain in 3 seconds? God is more complex than anything on earth. We can only explain what he showed us. Your Allah showed you he has 2 rights hands, a shin. Attributes etc etc. Yet you say he is simple. So weird
hahaha I think that your Jay Dyer is cooked steamed, he does not let Muslim Lantern to speak at all he spoke without any interruption, the sign of a loser in a debate is yelling, screaming and being nervous.
Becuase its important that he established a clear definitition of what the trinity is since jay did not define the actual topic of the debate it in his opening.
I wonder what Muslims think after ML likened their Allah to creation TWICE when it came to his attributes: 1st he likened him to a human and then (watch this) to a SHIRT with black colour! Common dawah L
You are posing these question to a people that are genetically predisposed to have lower IQs bc of massive inbreeding, and if that isn't enough, their religion permits them to lie and obfuscate, as long as it allows Islam to take root wherever. The only thing good faith behavior does (and this is not trying to devalue it) is helping them see our courtesy because of what Jesus had done during His earthly ministry. But Muslims see that as a weakness, anyway. ´They're worse than J-ws in their spiritual deceit (which is saying something, considering the rabbis completely wiped out any trace of the 'Two YHWH figures' theology, which was prevalent during the 2nd temple period). The latter are at least honest enough to tell you they hate Jesus in their books.
@shaheenmiah1783 he literally responded to that, did you watch the whole debate, or even the first 5 minutes? Jay said they are equal in nature, divine nature. And in his opening statement he clarified the Orthodox stance about Monarchical Trinitarianism which flew over ML's head.
No? Like this is an example dude just think it like that, Allah isn't like his creation but we can give examples, like the t shirt is yours but not you and so the essense and attributes. This is an example think about that, he didn't compared Allah with his creation rather he compared how it works with example
@@E_bandit01 This is why we say kissing the black stone makes you dumber. You have to be philosophically illiterate to keep missing the point after Jay explained this 50 times already. Are you less human than your father because you're subordinate to him? Answer the question without running like ML did.
@@AveChristusRex789 What nonsense? Even in part 2 of the debate once ML raised points that Jay Dyer couldn't answer, he literally shouted and started screaming like a baby and interrupting and Christians take that as a win smh
@@lintoppthomas Internet is the best thing that happened to Islam, Millions are leaving Christianity whilst Islam is the fastest growing religion. Even your own American Pew Institute agrees with this
if you can delude yourself into believing the romans didnt pervert the teachings of jesus and embalm it all in roman paganism, tricking you to believing the creator of the universe came back as a helpless baby that was breastfed, then overpowered by some jews who then killed him so you can eat him on sundays, then im sure you can convince yourself jay wasnt handed his ass here
@@szuvibes9474 yea sure abfoool. Allah attribute is like the black on a t shirt but not like creations 🤡. Lantern got no grasp of logic. Koran confirms Koran 🤦 😂 😂
@@MCXM111 Really, what did you do when you read this? Narrated Abu Dharr I was sitting behind the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets ? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water (Hamiyah). Sunan Abi Dawud 4002 Book 32, Hadith 34 Grade Sahih
For those people saying sneako muted jay, no , just look at the green line even after jay was supposedly muted, it only appears while you are speaking and unmuted. So it was Audio problem in stream
Not a good start to the debate. Is this Jay guy ok? 😀 The monarchical trinity conflicts with the doctrine of co-equality within the trinity, which asserts that all three persons are fully god and equally divine. If the father is the source, it implies a dependency of the son and the spirit on the father which challenges the idea of their co-equal divinity. The inherent implication of dependency is also troubling (from a trinitarian viewpoint). This is not a trinitarian, but a subordinationist unitarian view
@@devourthepower007make a counterargument then. At least to this: How can they be coequal if the son doesn't know everything the father knows? that's not coequal, father is more knowledge than the son
@@Murad_313 Nope the Son knows the same as the father, as Jay says and St. Basil, Jesus uses rhetoric and exagerations to assert the monarchy of the Father over all creation even the created HUMAN Nature of Christ. The divine Son shares all with the Father. The Son and Father are co-equal in Essence or being, however in Role the father is the source and fountain of divinity, so in sense of role the father is greater, not in sense of Godhood or nature.
Nope, the Father cannot be the Father without the Son (this is literally demonstrated in their names) and vice versa, and the Father and the Son cannot be who they are without their Spirit (the Holy Spirit), so there is only dependency in the internal life of the Trinity insofar as it's counterfactual (meaning they all depend on each other and depend on nothing external to their shared nature). The Father being the source of the divinity does not suggest any ontological superiority any more than your father being the source of your nature does not imply that he is superior or not equal to you in essence. Now if we put this same question back at you and ask whether or not allah's attributes are dependent on his essence I wonder if you're gonna run from the question like ML did or give an actual answer?
@@humanity247-80m he asked Jay what the Trinity is, then rejected his definition. Then why ask dummy?🤣🤣🤣 He just yaps, without answering the question but expects you to give a one word answer to his question. He's the definition of bad faith.
@@rooksatwarwhich question he did not answer? If it doesn’t suit the corrupt beliefs of Jay it doesn’t mean he should shout. Jay agreed that early church father did not believe in trinity.
@@rooksatwar he rejects Jay's interpretation, because Jay's interpretation contradicts the Bible. When the Bible explicity mentions, the Father is the one true God, you create a theology against that to suggest the son is the one true god too. The Quran doesn't say Allah SWT has distinct parts. Jay used his christian theology to suggest He does. It's the clear verses of the Scriptures vs christian theology for trinity.
@@kakarote100 In the Bible it is clear that Jesus identifies Himself as the Son of God, who came down from heaven, and in the Quran Allah agrees that the Son of God is God and equal to the Father, so is Allah wrong?
Nature of Faith: Faith in Christianity is described as a total involvement in life, grounded in the proclamation of the Gospel. It is not an illusion or mere sentimentality but a profound encounter with God, who desires a personal relationship with humanity. This relationship is characterized by love and the transformative power of God's grace, which invites believers to trust in Him amidst life's challenges. Revelation and Understanding: The Church teaches that God's revelation is a gift that allows individuals to understand the divine mystery. While the mystery of God remains beyond full human comprehension, faith enables believers to grasp the truth of God's existence and His plans for humanity. This understanding is facilitated through the Holy Spirit, who helps believers recognize and accept God's Word. Challenges of Acceptance: The message of Christianity can be difficult to accept, as it often challenges societal norms and personal beliefs. The teachings of Jesus, particularly regarding moral and ethical issues, require a change of heart and a commitment to living according to God's will. This struggle is a common experience for Christians, who are called to embody their faith with love and conviction. The Role of the Church: The Church serves as a mediator of God's self-communication, offering support and guidance to believers. It is through the Church that the message of salvation is proclaimed, helping individuals navigate their spiritual journeys and find meaning in their lives. The Church's teachings aim to address the deep human longing for connection with the divine.
Religious axiomatic truths can be simplified but the simplicity of a view doesn’t make it true. Islam is not simple and never has been, and if you look into the philosophical history of Islam and the environment that gave rise to the modern hanbalite paradigm. It’s not that Islam is simple, it’s that your school of thought since medieval times, has simply just refused to engage in clear theological issues plaguing your religion.
the christian made an opening statement lying about the Old testament which NEVER mentions the Trinity, then he lied about the Quran Like: - ,,The Quran says Christian worship monks which is not true'' well but what he leaves out is when the Prophet was asked about that verse by a former Christian explained that verse and said taking the ruling of your Teachers/Monks over Gods law is an act of worship in fact but Jay claims its a mistake which is clearly not. - Then he said ,,The Quran confirms the previous scripture'' yeah it does but this doesnt refer to your canonization you made out of it, which Bible does the Quran allegely confirm Mr. Jay? The Protestant Bible with 66 books in it? The Catholic Bible with 73 books in it? or the Orthodox Bibles with, depending on the church, having 79.83 books in it. Which one is the true Mr Jay? but see, even though muslim lantern clearly knows these fake arguments from his own videos, he did not interrupt his lies, but then when it was the muslims turn jay had to interrupt him over 15 times and didnt let him speak even though he clearly said that he wants to make his opening statement and wants to ask some questions while doing it, but Mr Jay took that as a chance to interrupt him after every few words he spoke, what a clown
Its just a matter of whos sincere, Muslim clearly defined attributes are not same as parts , im am loving ,im caring ,im sincere doesn't mean im 3. , this a such a basic point , I invite all Christians to truth , you can see the level of insecurity that the Christian has , didn't let the muslim even speak , You can clearly see the difference in knowledge if you are a seeker of truth
@@alonzoharris9049 it's really not. It's 3 separate entities that interacted with humans but it all is a part of 1 god. it's like, if you were god and you're interacting with ants: -one entity being your left hand, -another entity being your right hand, -another entity being your your mouth To the ants, they experienced each of your body parts as separate entities but it all still makes up one person. Now explain to me the contradiction there.
Throughout history, numerous people have presented their own analogies to explain the Trinity. All analogies are imperfect, but the point of using them is to capture a general idea. The problem is, the Trinity is so convoluted as a concept, that not even this general idea can be communicated. Every analogy creates a new heresy, sometimes cascading into full-blown schisms. Modalism, Partialism, Arianism - every time you think you've understood the trinity, you actually realise you were entrenched in a heresy. The fact that nobody across history has been able to articulate the Trinity is not evidence that it's logically incoherent. Rather, because the Trinity is logically incoherent, nobody across history has ever been able to articulate it.
@@skooma103 >>>>>Jay was too impatient or too slow to understand. ====================== True. Most Christians are like that. Too slow to grasp the idea. Islamic theology is too deep for them.
For those saying muslim lantern lost il say one thing ..watch full debate this is 20 minutes but even in these 20 mins muslim lantern smoked jay dyer and it gets worser for jay he ran away i heard at end abruptly
People just read both sides and be honest. If you need information from islam seek a muslim with knowledge. If you need information from christianity seek a christian with knowledge and then see if scripture agrees. You be the judge and see what makes sense. verify the truth. And importantyl pray God Guides you. Dont just go based on debates and be biased.
Bruh, it was audio problem in stream if he was muted what's the green line surrounding his cam? As Far as I know it only happens when you are unmuted and speaking,that phrase has nothing to do with what is happening according to you I can say, "without lies christianity dies" because jay interrupted lantern so he wouldn't get a exposed,
The best part was Jay Dyer posting the surah that the Muslim Lantern was intent intentionally misquoting, not realizing that we could all see it on Jay's page. Of course, the Muslim Lantern didn't want Jay to address the lie and ran off
@@wahidriyas8241 Jay kept interrupting him because ML would say something stupid every other sentence. It was honestly hard to listen to ML speak with all the lies, misrepresentations, fallacies and empty rhetoric being vomitted out of his mouth so I don't blame Jay for interrupting him so frequently.
@@bgk-jo7yg Nope, he interrupted because he got caught out on his points, when Jay quoted John for the trinity, ML pointed out that the verse doesn't explain how the 3 are co-equal. Jay started losing it and crying like a girl, you can't behind saying every single point against Christianity saying its a fallacy lmaoo
Christians are raiding the comments without even watching the full video: Here's what happened: Jay in his opening statement claimed that even before early chruch and Paul and Jesus the doctrine of trinity existed and he did argument from silence because he just said something without any evedience, but in last he started criticizing while questioning the same thing " Allah has hands ans shin" which daniel perfectly responded then proceeded to strawman muslim beliefs that the divine essence are equal to divine attributes, which is lie and strawman. Mulsim lantern: Now mulsim lantern explicitly said he wants to question for clarification 11:46 , accusing him for commiting strawman and other fallacies is illogical . As he was questioning The clarification thing could have been done within 2 minute and jay just would have said "no" "yes" or say " you are strawmaning me , I never Said that" but instead just because of one misunderstanding, jay just interrupted him over 4-5 minutes , even though lantern could have took his small response and corrected himself or either said he was talking about another point. But no jay just completely started intrurrupting right after he accused lantern for strawmanning , he just because of that wasted almost 5 minutes and didn't let lantern talk. And yet jay was trying to victimize himself. I dislike sneako's moderating as he was not trying to handle the situation, what type of moderator does that? Jay wasn't even letting lantern speak properly while lantern listened to him throughly. Finally after waste of time jay did he didn't interrupted and lantern showed the problems within early chruch opinions and debunked jay's view on tawheed again. So that was it, remember when jay was accusing him for strawman lantern was questioning him for clarification, even if there's a starwman in his question, he questioned for clarification so he wouldn't misunderstand and strawman jay. That's what question for clarification is. So accusing for being fallacious is non sense. To be honest jay already cooked himself and L moderator.
no the Muslim apologist’s arguments often involve misunderstanding or misrepresenting the opponent's position. There is frequent use of irrelevant points and personal attacks rather than engaging with the core arguments. The debates frequently shift focus from the main issues to side topics or mischaracterized arguments.
Lets list SOME of logical fallacies MUSLIM LANTERN made: Misrepresentation (Strawman Fallacy): - The Muslim apologist suggests that the Quran's criticism of some previous scriptures means all previous scriptures are corrupt, which might not be the actual claim of the opponent. - This misrepresentation shifts the debate from the specifics of the opponent's argument to a mischaracterized position. You said logic is Haram nobody said anything about logic is Haram again coming back to 17 uh uh chapter John 17 verse uh 3 where it explicitly says the only true God is the Father." Fallacy: Misattribution Lantern incurately accuse Jay for incorrectly saying that attributes a claim (that logic is forbidden) to the opponent, which distracts from addressing the actual argument being made. Cherry-Picking: - Using specific Bible verses (John 20:17) to argue that Jesus is subordinate without considering other verses or theological interpretations. - This selectively uses evidence to support the argument while ignoring conflicting evidence. False Dichotomy: - Suggesting that if Jesus has a God, then he cannot be God himself, presenting it as an either-or situation. -This ignores alternative theological explanations and oversimplifies the argument. Appeal to Authority (Misuse): - Relying on atheist scholars to reject the Bible and then claiming that this proves the Quran’s position, without addressing the actual arguments or evidence. - This misuses the authority of scholars to support a position without providing substantive evidence. Red Herring: - Shifting the focus to the alleged corruption of the Bible instead of addressing the consistency of the Quran with previous revelations. - Impact: This diverts attention from the main issue and confuses the debate. Begging the Question: - Claiming the Quran is true because it says so, which assumes the Quran’s truth without providing an independent standard for verification. -This assumes the conclusion within the argument and does not address the question of how to verify the Quran’s truth. Ad Hominem: - Attacking the opponent personally (e.g., suggesting they are lying or misrepresenting their position) rather than addressing the actual arguments. -This undermines the debate by focusing on personal attacks rather than substantive issues. Mischaracterization: - Simplifying the opponent’s theological position on the nature of Jesus and his relationship to the Father, leading to a flawed critique. - This misrepresents the opponent's views and weakens the debate by addressing a distorted version of their position. Misinterpretation: - Incorrectly understanding or representing the opponent's position on theological issues, such as subordination and equality within the Trinity. - This leads to incorrect conclusions and arguments that do not accurately reflect the opponent's views.
Overall the Muslim apologist’s arguments often involve misunderstanding or misrepresenting the opponent's position. There is frequent use of irrelevant points and personal attacks rather than engaging with the core arguments. The debates frequently shift focus from the main issues to side topics or mischaracterized arguments.
Muslim lantern made himself look absolutely ridiculous here and he got exposed just as Godlogic exposed him…and so did I. I debated ML in London on child marriages and his arguments were shockingly bad. He lied about what Islamic law says on it & ended up a stuttering mess. He has never released the video. I went to debate him a second time and his “team” tried to intimidate me. ML refused to debate. Islam is losing. Well done Jay
Your whole RUclips is about Islam🤣🤣 damn people really have no lives other than talk about A religion which they think is false. Instead of calling people towards Christianity yall make vids about Islam and trying to expose it lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Christian’s so obsessed with islam and that’s coming from someone who’s not religious. All Christians do is talk about islam lol never will Christian’s talk about the Jewish faith or other faiths the same they talk about Islam. Imagine having so much hatred towards a religion you dedicate your whole love trying to expose it toner then call people towards your religion.. Christianity is a joke and is dying lol look at the west all atheist.
Islam losing? Isn’t Christianity dying in the west lol🤣🤣 for thousands of years Christian’s have tried to stop islam but hear we are again I see islam still standing and unfazed while on the other hand Christianity is dying.. yall had 600 year head start and lost 🤣
@@fimz bros so obsessed with Islam that his name is debunking islam🤣🤣 these Christians instead of calling people towards there gospels they talk about islam day and night. Not suprised since Christianity is dying
Absolutely cooked him he threw away the prophet and Allah, Quran said it came to confirm the scriptures yet you say its corrupt AL-Baqarah 2:41 "And believe in what I have sent down confirming that which is [already] with you, and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And do not exchange My signs for a small price, and fear [only] Me." And he sat there and lied the whole time crazy.
>>>> it came to confirm the scriptures ================ When you are clueless you are like one of the ten blind men with an elephant. Read the parable. When Quran talks about Tawrat (Torah) or Injeel (Gospel), it refers to revelations given directly to the prophets. Quran does not recognize Mark,, Matthew, Luke or John nor does it recognize Paul. My question: Which version of Bible approved by Yahweh or Jesus? Or Which Church corrupted the Bible? The Catholic Church (Canon: 73 books) The Protestant Church (Canon: 66 books) Greek Orthodox Church (Canon: 77 books) The Coptic Church(Canon: 29 books in NT) The Ethiopic Church (Canon: 81 books) Give me the answer and we shall probe further whether it is the one mentioned by Quran.
Lets list SOME of logical fallacies MUSLIM LANTERN made: Misrepresentation (Strawman Fallacy): - The Muslim apologist suggests that the Quran's criticism of some previous scriptures means all previous scriptures are corrupt, which might not be the actual claim of the opponent. - This misrepresentation shifts the debate from the specifics of the opponent's argument to a mischaracterized position. Misattribution: - Claiming the opponent said "logic is Haram" (forbidden), which is not supported by evidence. - This distracts from the actual debate and inaccurately frames the opponent's position. Cherry-Picking: - Using specific Bible verses (John 20:17) to argue that Jesus is subordinate without considering other verses or theological interpretations. - This selectively uses evidence to support the argument while ignoring conflicting evidence. False Dichotomy: - Suggesting that if Jesus has a God, then he cannot be God himself, presenting it as an either-or situation. -This ignores alternative theological explanations and oversimplifies the argument. Appeal to Authority (Misuse): - Relying on atheist scholars to reject the Bible and then claiming that this proves the Quran’s position, without addressing the actual arguments or evidence. - This misuses the authority of scholars to support a position without providing substantive evidence. Red Herring: - Shifting the focus to the alleged corruption of the Bible instead of addressing the consistency of the Quran with previous revelations. - Impact: This diverts attention from the main issue and confuses the debate. Begging the Question: - Claiming the Quran is true because it says so, which assumes the Quran’s truth without providing an independent standard for verification. -This assumes the conclusion within the argument and does not address the question of how to verify the Quran’s truth. Ad Hominem: - Attacking the opponent personally (e.g., suggesting they are lying or misrepresenting their position) rather than addressing the actual arguments. -This undermines the debate by focusing on personal attacks rather than substantive issues. Mischaracterization: - Simplifying the opponent’s theological position on the nature of Jesus and his relationship to the Father, leading to a flawed critique. - This misrepresents the opponent's views and weakens the debate by addressing a distorted version of their position. Misinterpretation: - Incorrectly understanding or representing the opponent's position on theological issues, such as subordination and equality within the Trinity. - This leads to incorrect conclusions and arguments that do not accurately reflect the opponent's views.
@@joshuat005 if throughout old testament and jesus himself says they ONLY ONE TRUE GOD....means Jesus cannot be God and also God cannot have a God. Case closed!
@@cmccall84cm The Bible affirms one true God but reveals this one God as a Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. When Jesus speaks of the "one true God," He emphasizes His humanity and the relationship between the Father and the Son. The doctrine of the Trinity maintains that there is one divine essence shared by three persons. Thus, Jesus being God does not contradict the oneness of God. Instead, it reflects the complex nature of the Trinity where the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct yet united in essence. Jesus' reference to having a God pertains to His incarnate role and submission.
@@joshuat005 nowhere does old testament or new testament suggests the trinity! If Jesus says the ONLY ONE TRUE GOD...is the YHWH and YHWH sent jesus, just like all prophets, then Jesus is not God. How can God be stripped, whipped, humiliated, stabbed and nailed to a cross to be murdered by his own creation???
@@cmccall84cm The Old Testament hints at God’s plurality (e.g., Genesis 1:26), and the New Testament makes it clearer in passages like Matthew 28:19, which speaks of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. When Jesus refers to the "only one true God," He speaks from His human nature, not denying His divinity but rather expressing the unique relationship within the Trinity. The crucifixion of Jesus, far from being a contradiction, is central to Christian belief, demonstrating God’s love and justice. God, in the person of Jesus, chose to suffer and die to redeem humanity, fulfilling a divine plan of salvation. This act is seen as the ultimate expression of humility and sacrifice, not a denial of Jesus’ divinity.
Now go and ask a JEWISH Rabbi and they will also tell you that God has no literal son. Tell me how a greek new testament, written by a bunch of men, 3 of them never met Jesus once. They supposed to be Hebrew diciples, yet never mentioned YHWH once?
Jay was talking for nearly 10 minutes in a speed of 100 km per hour, but one question only has shaked him - are the church fathers UNITED regarding the trinity 🙂 It was very clear, Jay was very afraid to lose the argument - did the church fathers agree upon the definition of God i.e. christian or pauline trinity 🙂
I need to watch this entire debate. My audio cut out a few times for some reason, anyone else have this issue? Where’s the full debate? Also, this should have been moderated better.
Debate hasn’t even started and lantern is getting cussed at. Christains (apologetics/islamaphobes) don’t seem to have etiquette and seem to have a lot of preconceived built up hate and anger 😅
lol go check ur pdf file defender apologist latest short. he just edited this debate to make Jay sound misinformed. why would someone secure in their religion (islam) misguid people with INTENT to make people come to islam? when its the "real" religion
That is why Christianity is the religion that lost the most number of followers? apparently the Jesus that you are talking about doesn't know how to cook
Well the truth is lantern refused to address the issues around the unity of Allah and his attributes. He flat out ran from the question over and over again.
@@ISRAEL_IRAN_LOVE_BEEF you didn't make an argument, what did you expect him to respond with? Jesus created Muhammad and will condemn him to the hellfire on the last day
Consensus on the Trinity: The Church Fathers collectively affirmed the belief in one God in three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. This understanding is rooted in the early councils and the theological work of the Fathers, who sought to clarify the nature of God and the relationships among the divine Persons. They emphasized that each Person fully possesses the divine essence, yet they are distinct in their relations-where the Father generates the Son, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son12. This consensus is reflected in the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed, which articulates the Church's faith in the Trinity as one in essence but multiple in Persons. Debate and Development: Despite this agreement on the core tenets of Trinitarian doctrine, the Church Fathers engaged in significant theological debates regarding the nature of the relationships within the Trinity and the implications of these relationships for understanding salvation and revelation. For instance, discussions about the eternal generation of the Son and the procession of the Holy Spirit led to various interpretations and theological positions, which were often influenced by the cultural and philosophical contexts of the time. The debates were not merely academic; they were essential for addressing heresies that arose, such as Arianism, which questioned the divinity of the Son. Role of Tradition: The Fathers' debates were grounded in the Apostolic Tradition, which they sought to preserve and elucidate. Their writings and teachings were seen as vital for the faithful transmission of revealed truth, and their consensus was often used as a benchmark for orthodoxy. The councils of the early Church, such as those at Nicaea and Constantinople, were instrumental in formalizing these debates into doctrine, demonstrating how the Church navigated the complexities of theological discourse while maintaining a unified belief in the Trinity.
Quick question to the Moslems. Allah has a foot and a hand. Can you explain the difference between them? Is the difference functional? Anatomical? What is it? What can Allahs hand do that Allahs foot can’t? If your answer is nothing then….what’s the difference between Allahs hand & his foot? What property makes Allahs hand a hand and what property makes Allahs foot a foot???
@@debunking_izlam We know they are distinct attributes. Even if we have no knowledge of how they’re distinct, this simply has no creed disproving implications. What we know from the Quran is that they have done different things; the Hands created Adam, the Foot subdued hellfire Here’s my question; what is the attribute that makes the father the father (distinct from the son)?
@@andreaspapapap7737 yup. You don’t like it? We know you don’t have the cognitive faculties to critique it, so you’ll do what you’ve been doing all your life; coping
These are allegorical verses in the Quran. In short, Yadd is an attribute of Allah, it is not a body part and the exact meaning of these allegorical verses pertaining to the divine attributes are known only by Allah. Did you Christian’s just recently come across these mutashabihaat (allegorical) verses? Losers
@@idrea43 *We know they are distinct attributes. Even if we have no knowledge of how they’re distinct* That doesn't make any sense. If you have NO KNOWLEDGE on how two things are distinct then you can't say they're distinct because.... You have NO KNOWLEDGE on how they're distinct You cannot say Red and Blue are distinct if you have no Knowledge on what "Red" and "Blue" means. They could just be synonyms for the same thing. (The same way Water and H2O are synonyms for the same thing) Knowledge is a prerequisite to compare two things and find differences. You can't say you have NO KNOWLEDGE and at the same time Implicitly claim to have KNOWLEDGE Also The fact that they did different things doesn't change anything because one attribute can do different things under different names. H2O can be used to cook Water can be used to quench fire. That doesn't mean that they are distinct because one text says one attribute was used for something that the other wasn't used for. It could be the same attribute doing different things under different names. You can assert that they're distinct but you don't KNOW that and you CANNOT know that according to your theology
Unity and Distinction: The Trinity is described as one God in essence, yet three Persons. Each Person is fully God, sharing the same divine nature, but they are distinct in their relations: the Father generates the Son, the Son is generated by the Father, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son. This relationship does not imply any division in the divine essence, which remains undivided and simple. Revelation of God: The Trinity is not merely a theological concept but a revelation of God's very self. It encompasses God's self-manifestation, inviting believers into a deeper understanding of His life and love. The Church's communion is modeled after the unity of the Trinity, emphasizing that this divine relationship is the source of the Church's unity. Mystery Beyond Comprehension: The mystery of the Trinity surpasses human understanding. It is acknowledged that the depths of this mystery can only be grasped through the Holy Spirit, who reveals the inner life of God to believers. This understanding is not achieved through human wisdom but through faith and the guidance of the Spirit. Historical Affirmation: The doctrine has been affirmed throughout Church history, including significant councils such as the Fourth Lateran Council, which articulated the belief in one true God in three Persons, emphasizing their co-equal and co-eternal nature27. The Athanasian Creed further encapsulates this belief, stating that while the Persons are distinct, they are united in their divine essence and glory. Done.
Losing what are you or normal or abnormal ,,who is yahwe and who is father who is Jesus and who is son what the hell and at sametime they are all only one If its me I will never talk about this nonsense really wasting time
It's one thing to get absolutely mopped by Jay in the debate, but to go and create a poll for your own viewers to help piece back together your fragile ego, only for it to backfire and the polls say you lost too. A whole different type of L, Lord have mercy.
7:18 Claim: problem Muslims accuse Christian’s of (polytheism) is the same problems Muslims have Claim isn’t true. Allah has real distinct attributes that are inseparable from each other and from the essence. This is who God is, essential attributes that are necessary that if removed makes the entity no longer god. Having attributes doesn’t imply multiplicity in persons or entities lol nobody counts this way. You aren’t multiple entities because you have many attributes. And it is inaccurate to describe Allah as having “parts” bc parts entail physicality but Allah is metaphysical so the word can’t be used with the entirety of the meaning of the word. There is no dependence between the essence and attributes, they are all real distinct and inseparable. The human attribute of anger isn’t dependent on your attribute of sadness, in the same way that no attribute of Allah is dependent on another and no attribute is dependent on the essence, they are all Necessary inseparable qualities of Allah. In conclusion, Allah has no parts and is not dependent and is not multiple entities so no problem of polytheism like Christian’s have. In contrast Christian’s admit that your god is 3 persons who are DIFFERENT yet all individually fully God. So 3 different entities are all god, this is 3 different gods and you are polytheists. In Islam we don’t say each attribute is fully god (but rather they are who Allah is and can not be separated or it is no longer God), whereas you do and that’s where the problem is. So Jay is making a false comparison Christian’s suffer from polytheism, Muslims do not
How exactly does this work? If the attributes are all distinct and eternal and distinct from allah, then how can they be inseparable from allah? The only explanation that would work would be that the attributes all share in one nature that unites this multiplicity while maintaining that they are all distinct.
@@Nox-mb7iu hahaha no, I never said attributes are “distinct from Allah”. The attributes and the essence are who Allah is. These attributes and the essence are distinct but inseparable. An entity is what their essence and attributes are. A weak analogy to get you closer to understanding: To try and separate the entity from their attributes is like saying a car is distinct from its chassis. No, the chassis is a necessary attribute for a thing to be a car. Without it there is no car. Similarly, The attributes are necessary for Allah to be Allah. Without them, He wouldn’t be God. You get it? And it is not multiple entities because attributes and an essence are never considered multiple entities logically. Otherwise I could say that your anger is a person distinct from you, it’s incoherent. Nor does it make sense to say that the car chassis is a different entity to the car bc the car is only a car BECAUSE of the chassis, they’re not separate So all of Allah’s attributes make Him Allah
@@idrea43 The attributes being distinct doesn't mean that they can't be allah. You see, if allah is his attributes and the attributes are not each other, this would lead to an absurdity where allah is 99 things that aren't each other. There simply has to be a distinction with allah and his attributes. The mistake you're making is assuming that distinction means separation, but that doesn't have to be the case if they all share one nature. I am also not disputing that the attributes are allah. I am merely pointing out that for that to be the case, they would have to share one nature that makes them one while maintaining this multiplicity.
@@Nox-mb7iu yes, Allah is 99+ attributes that aren’t each other, distinct, necessary, yet inseparable. A thing is only what its essential attributes are. 1 attribute of Allah isnt Allah so I suppose you could say they are “distinct” Whether or not they are United by some nature has no entailment, I don’t have any reason to believe this. Rather, I simply believe that Allah is who He is and these distinct attributes are who Allah is. The thing that makes this multiplicity of attributes 1 entity is that they are a) essential attributes of 1 entity and attributes are not considered multiple entities b) inseparable so are not separated by time and space and Allah can only be counted by division (bc He is concrete, meaning in a causal relation), subsequently only 1 God. On the other hand, Christian’s identify 3 entities (persons) who are inseparable (although the bible demonstrates otherwise, but I’ll take Christian belief at face value for now. Despite how anti bible it is). These 3 entities are said to have 1 mind and share an essence (God) and essential attributes. Problem is the father is not the son, son is not the father etc etc yet they all are fully god. What makes them multiple is them being different entities and all fully god. It’s a logical contradiction, like saying the attribute of power is fully Allah, the attribute of mercy is fully Allah, but there is only 1 Allah. Incoherent. If that was what Muslims believed then that would be polytheism
@@idrea43 I think we agree as by nature I mean that which unites things in one being. If the attributes are distinct but one entity, then that's them sharing in one nature. Likewise, if we count by division, then the Trinity too would be one God as three distinct persons share one nature. Jake Brancatella responded to one of my comments and said that the whole objection is that muslims count by identity while Christians count by division. However if we both count by division, then there is no problem that you can apeal to. Now, your objection seems to be that the three persons are three entities, but the word entities assumes different natures. They are one being existing in three persons. When we say that each is fully God, we mean that they all have the nature fully, which we call God. It's like the attributes all share in one nature and thus all of them fully has the nature that unites them. The attributes are not each other and yet they are all one entity that is allah and all of them have the nature that unites them fully. Likewise, there are three persons and one nature which they all have. Your analogy is that saying that one attribute being fully allah would mean that one attribute is every attribute, but this is a flawed analogy. When we say that the Father, Jesus and the Spirit are all fully God, we aren't saying that the persons are all fully each other, but instead, that they all fully have the nature which unites them.
@@letmetalk2240 he’s literally misrepresenting what the guy jay just said 2 secs before 😂 how do you not notice?? One thing is to not believe him but damn at least understand what he’s saying 😅😅
@@DeadstockDownsouth Christians usually lost in a debate with Islam. They crap a lot. That is the reason I am not keen to listen to their rambling. You are one of them too.
How is never defending the trinity a win? You know they've made up knew random facts to make islam look bad hence the new debates. God having a hand is polytheism? Each chapter in quran so that's polytheism? That's legit braindead and same old tactics being used by all these C youtubers now and then raiding the comments with Christian bots
ML refused to answer the question Jay asked. It’s simple are Allahs attributes and body parts part of Him or not? If they are, then your god is a composite, that exists in time and space because body parts MUST be contained within a space: If they are not part of him then they are independent and you have many gods. The point is Muslims even today do not exegete the Quran , they will say of those verses and allahuaalim. In the past they went to war over these differences So like the dawaganda scene being exposed on the preservation of the Quran. Tawheed is being shown to be the emperor with no clothes.
Do the church fathers agree on the trinity or not?? That’s seems like a very straight question, you can yes they agree and here is why or no they don’t and here is why. Jay was triggered by that question. He was also triggered by LOL the definition of the trinity and he tried to superimpose his pagan believe on Islam by bringing up attributes and Allah and him having a hand. If Allah says there is nothing like him and he says he has a hand and feet then by that logic we can conclude that those features aren’t anything like we can imagine with in time or space. These Christians are getting desperate
@@ayishabehardien6310 jesus christ is GOD ☦️ he will judge the world only GOD can judge , only GOD forgives sins and jesus forgives sins jesus christ is the only true GOD and without him no one can have eternal life .
@@ayishabehardien6310 you have ur black stone that removes ur sins when u kiss it , its pagan worship . You believe in a black stone and i believe in GOD jesus christ ☦️
@@thenarrowdoor7pagan worship😂😂😂 suggest you go and educate yourself about Islam first before talking about the black stone... seems you need to understand what it means.
Wow, majority of the comments are so bias and none of them are genuine. Nothing really happened in this video, just a typical debate that didnt even take off because it was poorly managed. Muslim Lantern didn't get destroyed nor did Jay Dyer.
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No wonder people are leaving Christianity.
You mean no wonder people are leaving Islam right
I bet you didn't even watched the debate.
First watch and then comment😂
It demonstrates the weakness of Islam, and the Internet is exposing you all.
I left Sunni Islam and converted to Catholic Christianity.
@@thomasjpillno, because its rising
@@sherrymakwana3087it doesn'tChristians are raiding the comments without even watching the full video:
Here's what happened:
Jay in his opening statement claimed that even before early chruch and Paul and Jesus the doctrine of trinity existed and he did argument from silence because he just said something without any evedience, but in last he started criticizing while questioning the same thing " Allah has hands ans shin" which daniel perfectly responded then proceeded to strawman muslim beliefs that the divine essence are equal to divine attributes, which is lie and starman.
Mulsim lantern:
Now mulsim lantern explicitly said he wants to question for clarification 11:46 , accusing him for commiting strawman and other fallacies is illogical . As he was questioning
The clarification thing could have been done within 2 minute and jay just would have said "no" "yes" or say " you are strawmaning me , I never Said that" but instead just because of one misunderstanding, jay just interrupted him over 4-5 minutes , even though lantern could have took his small response and corrected himself or either said he was talking about another point. But no jay just completely started intrurrupting right after he accused lantern for strawmanning , he just because of that wasted almost 5 minutes and didn't let lantern talk. And yet jay was trying to victimize himself.
I dislike sneako's moderating as he was not trying to handle the situation, what type of moderator does that? Jay wasn't even letting lantern speak properly while lantern listened to him throughly.
Finally after waste of time jay did he didn't interrupted and lantern showed the problems within early chruch opinions and debunked jay's view on tawheed again.
So that was it, remember when jay was accusing him for strawman lantern was questioning him for clarification, even if there's a starwman in his question, he questioned for clarification so he wouldn't misunderstand and strawman jay. That's what question for clarification is. So accusing for being fallacious is non sense.
To be honest jay already cooked himself and L moderator.
Christians think raiding the comments makes them look good lol just watch the video folks
Saw the entire thing and lantern got embarrassed. He lied multiple times and committed logical fallacies like a 🤡
@@johnsey2625U Worship a Man once a Baby 😂
@@sayyidelahie9714and you worship 2 right hands and a shin
@@johnsey2625 Dear Polanity brothers grow up with charch lie.God become baby, GOD become a son, GOD have a father ,God have a mother ,GOD become Man, GOD become ignorent, GOD become week, GOD become dependent, GOD humbled, GOD need rest, GOD forget remind by rainbow, GOD become curse, GOD need human blood sacrifice like a pagans GOD, GOD can die, God become fully Man fully GOD even shemale can't do that fully Man fully women 😂. Polanity brothers if you're book says GOD become cockroach you would believe that too😂😂
Hosea 11:9 for I am GOD, and not man.
Your bible one time say 1+1=2 another time say 1+1=1 .full of contradiction all over the book. I can go on and on.
Bible is not a reliable source of information.
Clear sign of lying...
Romans 3:7
If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?”
I don't I won't and I will never worship a week GOD like that.I would rather chose hell fire.If someone killed by humans,then we can killed again if I may not someone else will.I only worship the only one highest being the highest glory highest beauty.A man as GOD doesn't satisfie me.I wood die rather believe a man is GOD.
By the way biblical GOD have a father and also a mother where is brothers and sisters as well as uncle's and so on.🤔🤣
in the beginning was the confusion, and the confusion was with confusion, and the confusion was confusion. and the confusion become confusion~ 🤭
@@devourthepower007😂
every single time christian dont allow muslims to speak, even though he was lying about Allah and the Quran before and still the muslim didnt interrupt him
Exactly. They're so emotional
What is a fallacy ?
Because all muslim do is butcher the bible you liars try to define the whole chapter by 1 verse that's what lantern was doing butchering the bible
@@DA-og5pj Christianity
@@Salio_MendesJust like Aisha was when she was being mounted by a 50 year old man
All the Christian’s saying “lantern destroyed” “internet was the worst thing for Islam”
Did you watch the debate muted and with your eyes closed?
Massive copium lol
@@Bishalysl only cope is from you muslims, who cannot accept appeals to authority and circular reasoning as being fallacious - you appeal to a book you say is corrupted to validate your own book.
Lmaoooo
you did you watch muslim lantern is a fallacy mashine why do muslims always default to simplicity as a measure of truth
Do tell me, how did Jay lose
Jay didn't know the difference between attributes within an entity and parts. He accepted the fact that the bible has been corrupted. He also accepted the fact that christian scholars have different views about Jesus. He also admitted that Jesus submits to the father which means the father is superior to Jesus. Jay threw christianity under the bus when he accepted this because the entire polytheistic religion of Christianity depends on the corrupt bible and the Jesus. This is the reason why churches are being sold off to muslims for chump change.@@Omar12831
This Lantern guy is so good, he should be a lawyer. He turned Jay; who is a respectable scholar, into a babbling kid, this was embarrassing. Imagine losing so bad that you have to resort to making fun of someone’s accent.
Your muslim scholar doesn't even understand basic english. Asking what is the meaning of a fallacy in the middle of the debate? You muslims should try investing in basic philosophy and understanding basic philosophical terminology.
😂lol keep coping Abdoooool
@@therealcoleshow Muslims have no worries.
Islam always wins in a debate with Christians .
@@wadisindhda7713 it is INSANE to say that this muslim guy won in any possible way. He gets interrupted bc he constantly commits fallacies
Yeah I don’t want a fallacy machine as my lawyer. But maybe that’s just me
I noticed Christian kids love to say they won without watching the actual debate, Jay is just rambling at the start and pushing out lie after lie
Lantern was embarrassing. He made multiple logical fallacies, relied on strawman and circular reasoning without knowing it. He couldn’t even steelman Jay position and lied multiple times during the debate. The clown couldn’t even track an argument… lantern was literally “uhhh what did you say? can you repeat that? That was too much” 💀 😭😭😭
The muslim lightbulb got destroyed. Even muslims admit it in the poll
Explicitly detailing monarchical Trinitarianism after being asked = rambling. Abdool cube worshipper IQ
name the lies please.
I watched the whole debate and can 1000% say Jay won. Lol what are you on about. What I noticed about the muslim kids that they still support their fellow brother even if he got cooked😂
MUHAMMAD ALI JUST BULLIED HIM IN THE WHOLE DEBATE JUST GO AND WATCH 😂😂
THIS IS JUST THE START OF DEBATE HE IS JUST WARMING UP ❤
Do you have a head injury?
@@rossk3482
Cry Babay😂😂
@@sixnine3414 it's spelt "baby" mensa member, I can only pray for poor Muslim lantern, the huge gulps of water he was taking all night after back to back debate losses was sad to see, after he admitted his prophet was a p e d o
@@sixnine3414 Lol Even After a Biased Moderator and using fallacious arguments Your mohammad ali got cooked, fried and roasted.. Couldn't answer a single question kept Deflecting if that's what you call a debate then you are simply stupid.
can you send me the whole video because i know this is a christian channel and will cut the video like cowards lol
If ur wondering why the comments are sayin jay won just look at who’s channel this is 😂😂
Even Sneako poll showed Jay won 😂 😂
@@johnsey2625 yeah because Andrew was there and jay shared the link with his fans and uploaded the vedio it would ony make sense for him to have more votes
@@johnsey2625 he literally posted the link to his live stream and told his fans to go and vote lmao
@@mohamedadnane2386 bro Sneako has over 10k on his stream. Jay only had around 1k 😂 😂 😂
@@mohamedadnane2386w excuse keep crying like Muhammad did when he ran out the cave
This young guy Lantern is actually really intelligent. I’m impressed with his ability to debate and his manners even when this other guy continued to interrupt him
@@romeosantiago8263 where is his answer on the attributes issue ?
Go and watch full conversation in jay dyer channel
But in his opening statement he asked a question, he didn't even give his position he just attacked
Does every "knowledgeable" Christian have zero composure when debating?
Sadly it was the already debunked Muslim Lantern who fell apart so quickly that he resorted to childish tactics to try and frustrate Jay to give the impression he was winning. But he failed. ML looked ridiculous here. Dawah is busted.
Hard to go against constant lie´s
@@loledssdafd3429 I feel for you Christians. Your only sense of victory is by spamming chats and making polls directly aimed at your audience to decide who has won.
It's embarrassing that your representatives do not present good enough arguments for you to rely on your victories.
@@loledssdafd3429coming from the pagan 😂
Muslim lantern literally started his OPENER with questions which you dont do if you know anything about debating and then tried to strawman jay lol. How are you blaming this on jay
Does this christian know how debates work?
Interrupting, interrupting, interrupting......lol
Lmao he is a pro debater moron
muslim latern should not have open the statement with a question an breaking the rules, sneako tbf didnt do a good job as well and jay was relentless🤣
Does this Muslim know how debates work? Fallacies, Fallacies, Fallacies……lol
@@michaelbeach7988he asked for clarification but jay
Interrupt..Interrupt...Interrupt...Interrupt....Interrupt...Interrupt 🥴
Childish christian always interrup... that's all christians can do
Dyer is taking L after L lately. Bro needs to take a break.
Cope kid
@@MCXM111 do you have any place we could discuss that. I don’t think I have disagreed with someone more than that like the last two years
Allah converted to Christianity after this
In what way can any sincere Christian say that we won this debate. ML destroyed him
I don’t know what you heard but ML refused to answer the question Jay asked. It’s simple are Allahs attributes and body parts part of Him or not?
If they are, then your god is a composite, that exists in time and space because body parts MUST be contained within a space:
If they are not part of him then they are independent and you have many gods.
The point is Muslims even today do not exegete the Quran , they will say of those verses and allahuaalim.
In the past they went to war over these differences.
Give an example
@@kichki777 Jay dyer basically said he doesn't believe the main stream trinity which is the actual idea of trinity and he also said Jesus is not God because he is subordinate to the father.
@@Salio_MendesYeah that’s the problem. You guys don’t understand our terminology and I don’t want to sound disrespectful. He said that there is no difference in ontology and thus no difference in essence.
Muhammad was stumbling the whole time 😂
Here comes the Christian raid trolls that don’t even watch these videos. Muslim lantern cooked easily
what part bring the argument u think lantern won
He says whilst tearing up
@@mudaaa1015your boy jay got frustrated af when Muslim lantern asked where they unified in the trinity and the man started crying about fuck all 😂😂, answer the question jay , we’re they unified or not ? Clown shit
You don’t know anything about theology son
@@rossk3482you are spamming the same thing you said to others, so he is right, you guys are coping
How anyone thinks Muslim Lantern won is beyond me. He was getting absolutely rocked on the attributes.
Yeah because they are not in delusion and elaborate how he got destroyed
Notice how almost none of these Muhammedans are actually addressing Jay's arguments, they're just complaining that he kept interrupting lol. That tells you that they didn't even listen what Jay was saying; it just went in one ear and out the other.
And the ones that actually do mention Jay's arguments completely miss his points. Muhammedans are just slow.
I mean ML doesn't even understand what fallacy means? Like Muslims if you want to get someone to debate in English, at least get someone who can speak english to college level.
@@evalsam7575 bruh what?
@@szuvibes9474 Not only was ML NOT understanding what Jay's arguments even were, he kept misrepresenting what he was saying. Then when pressed about his attributes, he kept referring to creatures to describe how Allah is nothing like us, which tells us absolutely nothing.
Muslim lantern is a heavyweight at this
Why yalll coping in the comments muhammed cooked lil bro😭
Little mo doesn't know what a debate is. He asks what Jay thinks the Trinity is and then rejects his answer... Then why ask dummy? 😂😂😂
so u think alahs attributes can be compared to creation? T shirt?
Either you are just really dumb or dishonest or both if you really think lantern did good at all. Even the polls showed lantern getting whipped 😂😂😂
You can't be that stupid dude. It's clear as day that Lantern got demolished despite his dirty tactics. He also has Snako to help and still failed.
So you think the father and the son are equal, but the son is subordinate to the father 😂😂😂
ML Pretending to not know what an Akidah is 😂😂
Lantern dude so dishonest, he got absolutely exposed and embarrassed here
I see logic is not your strong point.
it’s ok to leave christianity bro😂😂😂🤦🏽♂️
By reading the comments I thought: How could they think Jay won this?
Then I reminded myself that they believe in the Trinity of course they can think Jay won this.
Allahu Akbar.
You belive Allah has two right hands, and a shin. 😂😂 And you believe he picked the biggest sinner on Earth to be his final prophet
@@cramax4871 Don‘t write nonsene if you’re not able to read.
You believe in things Jesus didn’t believe. You think you know the faith better than Jesus.
1 Samuel 15:3, 1 Timothy 2:5, Mark 11:12-14, John 11:34, the famous Mark 13:32.
@@mikaelson5248 Dont write nonsense if you are unable to read lil bro
@@cramax4871 No I actually watch both sides. I am Albanian from Kosova and Christians and Muslims live together. 5 meters away from the mosque there is a church and they live peacefully.
As a Muslim with many Christian friends I actually feel sad and cannot comprehend what Christians will tell Jesus when Jesus returns and he tells them „I didn’t tell you to worship me“.
Without interpretation, Christianity dies.
Just look at the explanation of the Trinity. Jay did it in 5 minutes. And in Deuteronomy 6:4 it took literally 3-4 seconds to explain God.
@@mikaelson5248 16] Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. [17] And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted. [18] And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. [19] Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [20] teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age
And you think God can be explain in 3 seconds? God is more complex than anything on earth. We can only explain what he showed us.
Your Allah showed you he has 2 rights hands, a shin. Attributes etc etc. Yet you say he is simple. So weird
UPLOAD THE WHOLE DEBATE 😂😂
Why? To watch Muslim lantern humiliate himself and Islam some more? 🤷♂️
@@debunking_izlam ML broke your boy so bad that he was crying like a girl for 20 mins straight in front of thousands of people, your coping lmaooo
@@wahidriyas8241how old are you? 😂 you don’t even know when to use the right “you’re"
@@ililillill8719 You know I'm speaking facts so you decide to grammar check on RUclips comments. Lmaoo cope harder
@@wahidriyas8241
W For you bro 😂😂🤝🤝
Islam got cooked again 😮
hahaha I think that your Jay Dyer is cooked steamed, he does not let Muslim Lantern to speak at all he spoke without any interruption, the sign of a loser in a debate is yelling, screaming and being nervous.
@@PhoneClinic-q4j Lantern did not answer any question clearly, like at all. so you cant blame jay
@@223cw7jay another big joke... Beats bushes around...
Your god was circumcised by jews
@@MAM0102 i have watched many of muslim lantern's discussions and debates on his lives, the guy never answer's a question clearly
Has lantern debated before? why is he responding to jay’s arguments in open statement ?
There's nothing called opener in debate man Jay lied so why not point out his lies and also sneako asked him to respond to what jah was saying.
Becuase its important that he established a clear definitition of what the trinity is since jay did not define the actual topic of the debate it in his opening.
why are you crying that he won?
I wonder what Muslims think after ML likened their Allah to creation TWICE when it came to his attributes: 1st he likened him to a human and then (watch this) to a SHIRT with black colour! Common dawah L
You are posing these question to a people that are genetically predisposed to have lower IQs bc of massive inbreeding, and if that isn't enough, their religion permits them to lie and obfuscate, as long as it allows Islam to take root wherever.
The only thing good faith behavior does (and this is not trying to devalue it) is helping them see our courtesy because of what Jesus had done during His earthly ministry. But Muslims see that as a weakness, anyway.
´They're worse than J-ws in their spiritual deceit (which is saying something, considering the rabbis completely wiped out any trace of the 'Two YHWH figures' theology, which was prevalent during the 2nd temple period). The latter are at least honest enough to tell you they hate Jesus in their books.
I wonder why jay said the son and farther are equal and then said the son is subordinate to the father 😂😂😂😂
@shaheenmiah1783 he literally responded to that, did you watch the whole debate, or even the first 5 minutes? Jay said they are equal in nature, divine nature. And in his opening statement he clarified the Orthodox stance about Monarchical Trinitarianism which flew over ML's head.
No? Like this is an example dude just think it like that, Allah isn't like his creation but we can give examples, like the t shirt is yours but not you and so the essense and attributes. This is an example think about that, he didn't compared Allah with his creation rather he compared how it works with example
@@E_bandit01 This is why we say kissing the black stone makes you dumber. You have to be philosophically illiterate to keep missing the point after Jay explained this 50 times already.
Are you less human than your father because you're subordinate to him? Answer the question without running like ML did.
This Jay guy was so adamant on not letting Muslim Lantern speak, he was doing anything possible, just wait for your turn 🤣🤣
Because lantern was spewing nonsense the whole debate. What kind of debater asks questions in what is supposed to be their opening statement??
Internet is the worst thing happened to Islam
@@AveChristusRex789 What nonsense? Even in part 2 of the debate once ML raised points that Jay Dyer couldn't answer, he literally shouted and started screaming like a baby and interrupting and Christians take that as a win smh
@@lintoppthomas Internet is the best thing that happened to Islam, Millions are leaving Christianity whilst Islam is the fastest growing religion. Even your own American Pew Institute agrees with this
So you agree allah is like your shirt according to Muslim lantern yeah he cooked
Muslims stay taking Ls 😂
Churches turn into mosques not the way around my man
You are coping.
@@NotoriousKnives you believe in 3 persons who are fully god. They are 3 gods, polytheism
My gee, you try explaining the trinity to yourself without getting confused then chat to us 😂😂
if you can delude yourself into believing the romans didnt pervert the teachings of jesus and embalm it all in roman paganism, tricking you to believing the creator of the universe came back as a helpless baby that was breastfed, then overpowered by some jews who then killed him so you can eat him on sundays, then im sure you can convince yourself jay wasnt handed his ass here
MUHAMMAD ALI JUST ROASTED THIS LIL GUY
AND LATER JAY WAS JUST CRYING 😂😂😂
Keep coping abdoool. Lantern got embarrassed 😂😂😂
@@johnsey2625 cope, keep crying
@@szuvibes9474 yea sure abfoool. Allah attribute is like the black on a t shirt but not like creations 🤡. Lantern got no grasp of logic. Koran confirms Koran 🤦 😂 😂
Lol only terrorists are saying he won. Sam shouman, Jay Dyer have all been smoking muslims lately
This young guy Lantern is actually really intelligent. I’m impressed with his ability to debate and his manners
💯 You should watch his channel (muslim lantern), he's truly on a different level
Internet is the worst thing happened to Islam
@@lintoppthomas Christianity is build on lies,Jesus a baby and they made him a god,what a joke.islam is the only truth.
Lol keep copy pasting the same thing, internet was the best thing for Islam as more people embraced it and it's the fastest growing religion
I've left Christianity for Islam many years ago. Internet helped me a lot to get the basic info on Islam I couldn't get anywhere else at the time.
@@MCXM111 Really, what did you do when you read this?
Narrated Abu Dharr I was sitting behind the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets ? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water (Hamiyah). Sunan Abi Dawud 4002 Book 32, Hadith 34 Grade Sahih
@@lintoppthomas christians only knows how to waffle,don't u have a church for the Muslims to buy,u're religion is dead.
Even my Muslim friend agrees Muslim Latern got toasted 😬
Sure, that Muslim friend believes your mom got toast by the plumber. So you are true. Say hi to that Muslim friend. Lol
Lolol y’all suck at lying even through comments. You know it’s a sin to lie 😂
Jesus is son of Mary and God of Mary at the same time makes sense to you? 😂
"Even my muslim friend agrees" source: trust me bro, it's almost the the well known line "ex muslim here" line😂😂😅
@@yusifhuseini Now that Muslims know that they can’t cook Christian debaters they go after their past 🤣🤣🤣 all praise to the lord Jesus Christ!!!
For those people saying sneako muted jay, no , just look at the green line even after jay was supposedly muted, it only appears while you are speaking and unmuted. So it was Audio problem in stream
Not a good start to the debate. Is this Jay guy ok? 😀 The monarchical trinity conflicts with the doctrine of co-equality within the trinity, which asserts that all three persons are fully god and equally divine. If the father is the source, it implies a dependency of the son and the spirit on the father which challenges the idea of their co-equal divinity. The inherent implication of dependency is also troubling (from a trinitarian viewpoint). This is not a trinitarian, but a subordinationist unitarian view
no it doesn't conflict anything lmao. Stop pretending to be smart and using intelligent words lmao
you're confusing essential and hypostatic properties, sharing the essential properties is the equality
@@devourthepower007make a counterargument then. At least to this:
How can they be coequal if the son doesn't know everything the father knows? that's not coequal, father is more knowledge than the son
@@Murad_313 Nope the Son knows the same as the father, as Jay says and St. Basil, Jesus uses rhetoric and exagerations to assert the monarchy of the Father over all creation even the created HUMAN Nature of Christ. The divine Son shares all with the Father. The Son and Father are co-equal in Essence or being, however in Role the father is the source and fountain of divinity, so in sense of role the father is greater, not in sense of Godhood or nature.
Nope, the Father cannot be the Father without the Son (this is literally demonstrated in their names) and vice versa, and the Father and the Son cannot be who they are without their Spirit (the Holy Spirit), so there is only dependency in the internal life of the Trinity insofar as it's counterfactual (meaning they all depend on each other and depend on nothing external to their shared nature).
The Father being the source of the divinity does not suggest any ontological superiority any more than your father being the source of your nature does not imply that he is superior or not equal to you in essence.
Now if we put this same question back at you and ask whether or not allah's attributes are dependent on his essence I wonder if you're gonna run from the question like ML did or give an actual answer?
Jay Dyer's tactics were interrupting and making fun of Lantern's accent
People like Jay just strengthens my deen
ML literally doesn't know how to debate...
Can this guy answer a straight question?
just because he is not shouting doesn't mean he doesn't know how to debate
@@humanity247-80m he asked Jay what the Trinity is, then rejected his definition. Then why ask dummy?🤣🤣🤣
He just yaps, without answering the question but expects you to give a one word answer to his question. He's the definition of bad faith.
@@rooksatwarwhich question he did not answer?
If it doesn’t suit the corrupt beliefs of Jay it doesn’t mean he should shout.
Jay agreed that early church father did not believe in trinity.
@@rooksatwar he rejects Jay's interpretation, because Jay's interpretation contradicts the Bible. When the Bible explicity mentions, the Father is the one true God, you create a theology against that to suggest the son is the one true god too.
The Quran doesn't say Allah SWT has distinct parts. Jay used his christian theology to suggest He does.
It's the clear verses of the Scriptures vs christian theology for trinity.
@@kakarote100 In the Bible it is clear that Jesus identifies Himself as the Son of God, who came down from heaven, and in the Quran Allah agrees that the Son of God is God and equal to the Father, so is Allah wrong?
Why did he mute him
Prove Trinity.
Jay: Jesus said I am the son of God. The Quran says Allah doesn't have a son. Boom Trinity is proven 😂🤣😆. Christians logic.
So you want to debate him. Feel free to say, we can arrange a debate with him
Lantern got destroyed 2 times that day. He needs a vacation and some rest.
Cope lil bro
COPIUM
@@faceplants599 I challenge you to a formal debate
@@AquaBabyYT do you not see how Christianity is getting destroyed left and right
@@faceplants599 why are you running
Christianity is the most confusing unrealistic faith ive come accross.
Nature of Faith: Faith in Christianity is described as a total involvement in life, grounded in the proclamation of the Gospel. It is not an illusion or mere sentimentality but a profound encounter with God, who desires a personal relationship with humanity. This relationship is characterized by love and the transformative power of God's grace, which invites believers to trust in Him amidst life's challenges.
Revelation and Understanding: The Church teaches that God's revelation is a gift that allows individuals to understand the divine mystery. While the mystery of God remains beyond full human comprehension, faith enables believers to grasp the truth of God's existence and His plans for humanity. This understanding is facilitated through the Holy Spirit, who helps believers recognize and accept God's Word.
Challenges of Acceptance: The message of Christianity can be difficult to accept, as it often challenges societal norms and personal beliefs. The teachings of Jesus, particularly regarding moral and ethical issues, require a change of heart and a commitment to living according to God's will. This struggle is a common experience for Christians, who are called to embody their faith with love and conviction.
The Role of the Church: The Church serves as a mediator of God's self-communication, offering support and guidance to believers. It is through the Church that the message of salvation is proclaimed, helping individuals navigate their spiritual journeys and find meaning in their lives. The Church's teachings aim to address the deep human longing for connection with the divine.
Are the attributes of Allah uncreated or created do they get in the creation ?
Religious axiomatic truths can be simplified but the simplicity of a view doesn’t make it true. Islam is not simple and never has been, and if you look into the philosophical history of Islam and the environment that gave rise to the modern hanbalite paradigm. It’s not that Islam is simple, it’s that your school of thought since medieval times, has simply just refused to engage in clear theological issues plaguing your religion.
You are ignorant
@@ΓραικοςΕλληνας what are you trying to ask? I honestly can not understand your question.
the christian made an opening statement lying about the Old testament which NEVER mentions the Trinity, then he lied about the Quran Like: - ,,The Quran says Christian worship monks which is not true'' well but what he leaves out is when the Prophet was asked about that verse by a former Christian explained that verse and said taking the ruling of your Teachers/Monks over Gods law is an act of worship in fact but Jay claims its a mistake which is clearly not.
- Then he said ,,The Quran confirms the previous scripture'' yeah it does but this doesnt refer to your canonization you made out of it, which Bible does the Quran allegely confirm Mr. Jay? The Protestant Bible with 66 books in it? The Catholic Bible with 73 books in it? or the Orthodox Bibles with, depending on the church, having 79.83 books in it. Which one is the true Mr Jay?
but see, even though muslim lantern clearly knows these fake arguments from his own videos, he did not interrupt his lies, but then when it was the muslims turn jay had to interrupt him over 15 times and didnt let him speak even though he clearly said that he wants to make his opening statement and wants to ask some questions while doing it, but Mr Jay took that as a chance to interrupt him after every few words he spoke, what a clown
🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Its just a matter of whos sincere,
Muslim clearly defined attributes are not same as parts , im am loving ,im caring ,im sincere doesn't mean im 3. , this a such a basic point ,
I invite all Christians to truth , you can see the level of insecurity that the Christian has , didn't let the muslim even speak ,
You can clearly see the difference in knowledge if you are a seeker of truth
Jay Dyer believes in three gods.
Isa, Allah and Mary ?
@@falkenauge4.0ace8those 3 then their 99 others 😂😂😂
The semantics of whether or not god can appear as three separate entities is a significantly less important issue than a belief that molests children
@@dustin3596
The trinity is a logical contradiction.
Your bible teaches your accusation.
All Christians in history agree with that.
@@alonzoharris9049 it's really not. It's 3 separate entities that interacted with humans but it all is a part of 1 god. it's like, if you were god and you're interacting with ants:
-one entity being your left hand,
-another entity being your right hand,
-another entity being your your mouth
To the ants, they experienced each of your body parts as separate entities but it all still makes up one person.
Now explain to me the contradiction there.
The 3 in 1 shampoo got cooked 😂😂
Lantern easy clap without lies Christianity dies
Throughout history, numerous people have presented their own analogies to explain the Trinity. All analogies are imperfect, but the point of using them is to capture a general idea. The problem is, the Trinity is so convoluted as a concept, that not even this general idea can be communicated. Every analogy creates a new heresy, sometimes cascading into full-blown schisms. Modalism, Partialism, Arianism - every time you think you've understood the trinity, you actually realise you were entrenched in a heresy.
The fact that nobody across history has been able to articulate the Trinity is not evidence that it's logically incoherent. Rather, because the Trinity is logically incoherent, nobody across history has ever been able to articulate it.
What heresy did Muslim Lantern create in Islam by comparing Allah to his shirt?
@@diego1590 He didn't, he was explaining what an attribute was. Jay was too impatient or too slow to understand.
@@skooma103 >>>>>Jay was too impatient or too slow to understand.
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True. Most Christians are like that.
Too slow to grasp the idea.
Islamic theology is too deep for them.
For those saying muslim lantern lost il say one thing ..watch full debate this is 20 minutes but even in these 20 mins muslim lantern smoked jay dyer and it gets worser for jay he ran away i heard at end abruptly
Huh? Watch the full video, ML literally refused one last statement while Jay was willing and ready to continue. Only one running was Abdul.
Jay dyer won the debate with the polls☠️☠️ poor habibis cope in the comments lol
easy islam W
Just like the whooping I gave deenresponds on child marriages - Muslim Lantern exposed himself here as an ignorant fool.
He says whilst crying
Keep coping abdoool 😂 😂
There is no way Lantern won that. You're just lying.
You got cooooked
People just read both sides and be honest. If you need information from islam seek a muslim with knowledge. If you need information from christianity seek a christian with knowledge and then see if scripture agrees.
You be the judge and see what makes sense. verify the truth. And importantyl pray God Guides you. Dont just go based on debates and be biased.
Sneako muted Jay mid debate. Without Lies Islam Dies
Bruh, it was audio problem in stream if he was muted what's the green line surrounding his cam? As Far as I know it only happens when you are unmuted and speaking,that phrase has nothing to do with what is happening according to you I can say, "without lies christianity dies" because jay interrupted lantern so he wouldn't get a exposed,
In your dreams. Your Islamophobia is showing
Lol he wasn’t muted by Sneako on discord he had the green border up the whole time the audio cut out. You need to relax
This is literally edited in favour of the Muslim. Watch the real debate on the Christian’s channel
Our brother in Christ Jay dyer needs to upgrade his debate skills, this was embarrassing. We should be better.
The best part was Jay Dyer posting the surah that the Muslim Lantern was intent intentionally misquoting, not realizing that we could all see it on Jay's page. Of course, the Muslim Lantern didn't want Jay to address the lie and ran off
Muslim Lantern has been extinguished by Jay Dyer.
Jay was so scared of him, he didn't even let him speak. Look how Jay is panicking and interrupting cuz he knows he's lost whilst ML is just chilling🤣🤣
BSSS!!! Dyer is one of the least educated person to debate on these topics
He won every single point, take the fat L muslim
@@wahidriyas8241 Jay kept interrupting him because ML would say something stupid every other sentence. It was honestly hard to listen to ML speak with all the lies, misrepresentations, fallacies and empty rhetoric being vomitted out of his mouth so I don't blame Jay for interrupting him so frequently.
@@bgk-jo7yg Nope, he interrupted because he got caught out on his points, when Jay quoted John for the trinity, ML pointed out that the verse doesn't explain how the 3 are co-equal. Jay started losing it and crying like a girl, you can't behind saying every single point against Christianity saying its a fallacy lmaoo
What the hell was jay dyer saying? Why was he allowed to waffle constantly
Christians are raiding the comments without even watching the full video:
Here's what happened:
Jay in his opening statement claimed that even before early chruch and Paul and Jesus the doctrine of trinity existed and he did argument from silence because he just said something without any evedience, but in last he started criticizing while questioning the same thing " Allah has hands ans shin" which daniel perfectly responded then proceeded to strawman muslim beliefs that the divine essence are equal to divine attributes, which is lie and strawman.
Mulsim lantern:
Now mulsim lantern explicitly said he wants to question for clarification 11:46 , accusing him for commiting strawman and other fallacies is illogical . As he was questioning
The clarification thing could have been done within 2 minute and jay just would have said "no" "yes" or say " you are strawmaning me , I never Said that" but instead just because of one misunderstanding, jay just interrupted him over 4-5 minutes , even though lantern could have took his small response and corrected himself or either said he was talking about another point. But no jay just completely started intrurrupting right after he accused lantern for strawmanning , he just because of that wasted almost 5 minutes and didn't let lantern talk. And yet jay was trying to victimize himself.
I dislike sneako's moderating as he was not trying to handle the situation, what type of moderator does that? Jay wasn't even letting lantern speak properly while lantern listened to him throughly.
Finally after waste of time jay did he didn't interrupted and lantern showed the problems within early chruch opinions and debunked jay's view on tawheed again.
So that was it, remember when jay was accusing him for strawman lantern was questioning him for clarification, even if there's a starwman in his question, he questioned for clarification so he wouldn't misunderstand and strawman jay. That's what question for clarification is. So accusing for being fallacious is non sense.
To be honest jay already cooked himself and L moderator.
no the Muslim apologist’s arguments often involve misunderstanding or misrepresenting the opponent's position.
There is frequent use of irrelevant points and personal attacks rather than engaging with the core arguments.
The debates frequently shift focus from the main issues to side topics or mischaracterized arguments.
Lets list SOME of logical fallacies MUSLIM LANTERN made:
Misrepresentation (Strawman Fallacy):
- The Muslim apologist suggests that the Quran's criticism of some previous scriptures means all previous scriptures are corrupt, which might not be the actual claim of the opponent.
- This misrepresentation shifts the debate from the specifics of the opponent's argument to a mischaracterized position.
You said logic is Haram nobody said anything about logic is Haram again coming back to 17 uh uh chapter John 17 verse uh 3 where it explicitly says the only true God is the Father."
Fallacy: Misattribution
Lantern incurately accuse Jay for incorrectly saying that attributes a claim (that logic is forbidden) to the opponent, which distracts from addressing the actual argument being made.
Cherry-Picking:
- Using specific Bible verses (John 20:17) to argue that Jesus is subordinate without considering other verses or theological interpretations.
- This selectively uses evidence to support the argument while ignoring conflicting evidence.
False Dichotomy:
- Suggesting that if Jesus has a God, then he cannot be God himself, presenting it as an either-or situation.
-This ignores alternative theological explanations and oversimplifies the argument.
Appeal to Authority (Misuse):
- Relying on atheist scholars to reject the Bible and then claiming that this proves the Quran’s position, without addressing the actual arguments or evidence.
- This misuses the authority of scholars to support a position without providing substantive evidence.
Red Herring:
- Shifting the focus to the alleged corruption of the Bible instead of addressing the consistency of the Quran with previous revelations.
- Impact: This diverts attention from the main issue and confuses the debate.
Begging the Question:
- Claiming the Quran is true because it says so, which assumes the Quran’s truth without providing an independent standard for verification.
-This assumes the conclusion within the argument and does not address the question of how to verify the Quran’s truth.
Ad Hominem:
- Attacking the opponent personally (e.g., suggesting they are lying or misrepresenting their position) rather than addressing the actual arguments.
-This undermines the debate by focusing on personal attacks rather than substantive issues.
Mischaracterization:
- Simplifying the opponent’s theological position on the nature of Jesus and his relationship to the Father, leading to a flawed critique.
- This misrepresents the opponent's views and weakens the debate by addressing a distorted version of their position.
Misinterpretation:
- Incorrectly understanding or representing the opponent's position on theological issues, such as subordination and equality within the Trinity.
- This leads to incorrect conclusions and arguments that do not accurately reflect the opponent's views.
Overall the Muslim apologist’s arguments often involve misunderstanding or misrepresenting the opponent's position.
There is frequent use of irrelevant points and personal attacks rather than engaging with the core arguments.
The debates frequently shift focus from the main issues to side topics or mischaracterized arguments.
@@joshuat005 ain't going to answer chat gpt generated answer, this is completely copy pasted from chat gpt
@@szuvibes9474 no lol i sat through the whole thing. oh well just admit muslim lantern didnt perfom well this round
Muslim lantern made himself look absolutely ridiculous here and he got exposed just as Godlogic exposed him…and so did I. I debated ML in London on child marriages and his arguments were shockingly bad. He lied about what Islamic law says on it & ended up a stuttering mess. He has never released the video. I went to debate him a second time and his “team” tried to intimidate me. ML refused to debate. Islam is losing. Well done Jay
Your whole RUclips is about Islam🤣🤣 damn people really have no lives other than talk about A religion which they think is false. Instead of calling people towards Christianity yall make vids about Islam and trying to expose it lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Christian’s so obsessed with islam and that’s coming from someone who’s not religious. All Christians do is talk about islam lol never will Christian’s talk about the Jewish faith or other faiths the same they talk about Islam. Imagine having so much hatred towards a religion you dedicate your whole love trying to expose it toner then call people towards your religion.. Christianity is a joke and is dying lol look at the west all atheist.
Islam losing? Isn’t Christianity dying in the west lol🤣🤣 for thousands of years Christian’s have tried to stop islam but hear we are again I see islam still standing and unfazed while on the other hand Christianity is dying.. yall had 600 year head start and lost 🤣
Yeah really lad? Jump on his live where we can all see and we'll see what really happened.
@@fimz bros so obsessed with Islam that his name is debunking islam🤣🤣 these Christians instead of calling people towards there gospels they talk about islam day and night. Not suprised since Christianity is dying
Mary is a child in your bible and tradition.
Absolutely cooked him he threw away the prophet and Allah, Quran said it came to confirm the scriptures yet you say its corrupt AL-Baqarah 2:41 "And believe in what I have sent down confirming that which is [already] with you, and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And do not exchange My signs for a small price, and fear [only] Me." And he sat there and lied the whole time crazy.
>>>> it came to confirm the scriptures
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When you are clueless you are like one of the ten blind men with an elephant. Read the parable.
When Quran talks about Tawrat (Torah) or Injeel (Gospel), it refers to revelations given directly to the prophets.
Quran does not recognize Mark,, Matthew, Luke or John nor does it recognize Paul.
My question: Which version of Bible approved by Yahweh or Jesus?
Or Which Church corrupted the Bible?
The Catholic Church (Canon: 73 books)
The Protestant Church (Canon: 66 books)
Greek Orthodox Church (Canon: 77 books)
The Coptic Church(Canon: 29 books in NT)
The Ethiopic Church (Canon: 81 books)
Give me the answer and we shall probe further whether it is the one mentioned by Quran.
These fickle Christians in the comments, clearly never watched it.
Lets list SOME of logical fallacies MUSLIM LANTERN made:
Misrepresentation (Strawman Fallacy):
- The Muslim apologist suggests that the Quran's criticism of some previous scriptures means all previous scriptures are corrupt, which might not be the actual claim of the opponent.
- This misrepresentation shifts the debate from the specifics of the opponent's argument to a mischaracterized position.
Misattribution:
- Claiming the opponent said "logic is Haram" (forbidden), which is not supported by evidence.
- This distracts from the actual debate and inaccurately frames the opponent's position.
Cherry-Picking:
- Using specific Bible verses (John 20:17) to argue that Jesus is subordinate without considering other verses or theological interpretations.
- This selectively uses evidence to support the argument while ignoring conflicting evidence.
False Dichotomy:
- Suggesting that if Jesus has a God, then he cannot be God himself, presenting it as an either-or situation.
-This ignores alternative theological explanations and oversimplifies the argument.
Appeal to Authority (Misuse):
- Relying on atheist scholars to reject the Bible and then claiming that this proves the Quran’s position, without addressing the actual arguments or evidence.
- This misuses the authority of scholars to support a position without providing substantive evidence.
Red Herring:
- Shifting the focus to the alleged corruption of the Bible instead of addressing the consistency of the Quran with previous revelations.
- Impact: This diverts attention from the main issue and confuses the debate.
Begging the Question:
- Claiming the Quran is true because it says so, which assumes the Quran’s truth without providing an independent standard for verification.
-This assumes the conclusion within the argument and does not address the question of how to verify the Quran’s truth.
Ad Hominem:
- Attacking the opponent personally (e.g., suggesting they are lying or misrepresenting their position) rather than addressing the actual arguments.
-This undermines the debate by focusing on personal attacks rather than substantive issues.
Mischaracterization:
- Simplifying the opponent’s theological position on the nature of Jesus and his relationship to the Father, leading to a flawed critique.
- This misrepresents the opponent's views and weakens the debate by addressing a distorted version of their position.
Misinterpretation:
- Incorrectly understanding or representing the opponent's position on theological issues, such as subordination and equality within the Trinity.
- This leads to incorrect conclusions and arguments that do not accurately reflect the opponent's views.
@@joshuat005 if throughout old testament and jesus himself says they ONLY ONE TRUE GOD....means Jesus cannot be God and also God cannot have a God.
Case closed!
@@cmccall84cm The Bible affirms one true God but reveals this one God as a Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. When Jesus speaks of the "one true God," He emphasizes His humanity and the relationship between the Father and the Son. The doctrine of the Trinity maintains that there is one divine essence shared by three persons. Thus, Jesus being God does not contradict the oneness of God. Instead, it reflects the complex nature of the Trinity where the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct yet united in essence. Jesus' reference to having a God pertains to His incarnate role and submission.
@@joshuat005 nowhere does old testament or new testament suggests the trinity!
If Jesus says the ONLY ONE TRUE GOD...is the YHWH and YHWH sent jesus, just like all prophets, then Jesus is not God.
How can God be stripped, whipped, humiliated, stabbed and nailed to a cross to be murdered by his own creation???
@@cmccall84cm The Old Testament hints at God’s plurality (e.g., Genesis 1:26), and the New Testament makes it clearer in passages like Matthew 28:19, which speaks of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. When Jesus refers to the "only one true God," He speaks from His human nature, not denying His divinity but rather expressing the unique relationship within the Trinity. The crucifixion of Jesus, far from being a contradiction, is central to Christian belief, demonstrating God’s love and justice. God, in the person of Jesus, chose to suffer and die to redeem humanity, fulfilling a divine plan of salvation. This act is seen as the ultimate expression of humility and sacrifice, not a denial of Jesus’ divinity.
They failed again to bring a chritian scholar who doesn't behave like a child. Embarassing.
Now go and ask a JEWISH Rabbi and they will also tell you that God has no literal son.
Tell me how a greek new testament, written by a bunch of men, 3 of them never met Jesus once.
They supposed to be Hebrew diciples, yet never mentioned YHWH once?
Christianity makes no sense. Big W for Muslim Lantern, Mashallah 🤲🏻💪🏻🕋
Christian bots commenting without watching or understanding anything
copium.
Muslims saying christian bots to deflect there satanic religion got exposed
@@goontz1478do you know what that word means?
@@zeeonnn you wouldn't know Allah doesn't use that word.
@@goontz1478 ?????what? u have to be a bot bro😂
Jay was talking for nearly 10 minutes in a speed of 100 km per hour, but one question only has shaked him - are the church fathers UNITED regarding the trinity 🙂
It was very clear, Jay was very afraid to lose the argument - did the church fathers agree upon the definition of God i.e. christian or pauline trinity 🙂
these christians didnt watch the whole videos😭
Yes your alllah is like the black on a T shirt 😂 😂 😂 muslim lantern is a 🤡
Incredible cope
These Muslim don’t have brain to understand jay dyer
Absolute cope. I watched the whole video and the same dishonest tactics were used throughout.
Muslims can believe what they want but you’re literally reta rded if you think Jay lost this debate. The cope is crazy.
I need to watch this entire debate. My audio cut out a few times for some reason, anyone else have this issue? Where’s the full debate?
Also, this should have been moderated better.
Jay destroyed the pagan
You mean the pagen church that has statues and a man hanging on the cross that you call God .
bro worship a human btw
@@deenobird do you kiss the black stone with that mouth?
@@ayo123do you kiss your cross and ur pagan statues of mary and humAn god jeSus also with that mouth of urs?
@@deenobird do you kiss the black stone with that mouth?
Debate hasn’t even started and lantern is getting cussed at. Christains (apologetics/islamaphobes) don’t seem to have etiquette and seem to have a lot of preconceived built up hate and anger 😅
lol go check ur pdf file defender apologist latest short. he just edited this debate to make Jay sound misinformed. why would someone secure in their religion (islam) misguid people with INTENT to make people come to islam? when its the "real" religion
ISLAM is eating Ls left and right. Jesus stays cooking 🧑🍳✝️.
That is why Christianity is the religion that lost the most number of followers? apparently the Jesus that you are talking about doesn't know how to cook
Well the truth is lantern refused to address the issues around the unity of Allah and his attributes. He flat out ran from the question over and over again.
ml got cooked
~Y A W N~
In your dreams...
This was a more embarrassing loss than Muhammed at the battle of Uhud 😂
Clown
jay dyer the most annoying christian
It must be annoying getting buried constantly
@@bac7*getting inturrupted
black stone kissers with another loss
@@Assyrian-AK lol insulting
So 😅 question is he saying that Jesus is the biological son of God? At 4:32 as I am super confused 😅
God became a baby? 🍼🍼
😂😂😂😂 and cried like bitch on the cross asking for God to save him 🤣🤣🤣
Be careful, you reap what you sow. Jesus is God. And you will bow to Him, as all men must.
@@CartoonistDave emotional christian 🙄
@@ISRAEL_IRAN_LOVE_BEEF you didn't make an argument, what did you expect him to respond with? Jesus created Muhammad and will condemn him to the hellfire on the last day
How are the church fathers agreeing on the Trinity and at the same time have a debate? 😂
Consensus on the Trinity: The Church Fathers collectively affirmed the belief in one God in three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. This understanding is rooted in the early councils and the theological work of the Fathers, who sought to clarify the nature of God and the relationships among the divine Persons. They emphasized that each Person fully possesses the divine essence, yet they are distinct in their relations-where the Father generates the Son, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son12. This consensus is reflected in the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed, which articulates the Church's faith in the Trinity as one in essence but multiple in Persons.
Debate and Development: Despite this agreement on the core tenets of Trinitarian doctrine, the Church Fathers engaged in significant theological debates regarding the nature of the relationships within the Trinity and the implications of these relationships for understanding salvation and revelation. For instance, discussions about the eternal generation of the Son and the procession of the Holy Spirit led to various interpretations and theological positions, which were often influenced by the cultural and philosophical contexts of the time. The debates were not merely academic; they were essential for addressing heresies that arose, such as Arianism, which questioned the divinity of the Son.
Role of Tradition: The Fathers' debates were grounded in the Apostolic Tradition, which they sought to preserve and elucidate. Their writings and teachings were seen as vital for the faithful transmission of revealed truth, and their consensus was often used as a benchmark for orthodoxy. The councils of the early Church, such as those at Nicaea and Constantinople, were instrumental in formalizing these debates into doctrine, demonstrating how the Church navigated the complexities of theological discourse while maintaining a unified belief in the Trinity.
Quick question to the Moslems. Allah has a foot and a hand. Can you explain the difference between them? Is the difference functional? Anatomical? What is it? What can Allahs hand do that Allahs foot can’t? If your answer is nothing then….what’s the difference between Allahs hand & his foot? What property makes Allahs hand a hand and what property makes Allahs foot a foot???
@@debunking_izlam We know they are distinct attributes. Even if we have no knowledge of how they’re distinct, this simply has no creed disproving implications. What we know from the Quran is that they have done different things; the Hands created Adam, the Foot subdued hellfire
Here’s my question; what is the attribute that makes the father the father (distinct from the son)?
@@idrea43was that supposed to be an answer? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@andreaspapapap7737 yup. You don’t like it? We know you don’t have the cognitive faculties to critique it, so you’ll do what you’ve been doing all your life; coping
These are allegorical verses in the Quran. In short, Yadd is an attribute of Allah, it is not a body part and the exact meaning of these allegorical verses pertaining to the divine attributes are known only by Allah.
Did you Christian’s just recently come across these mutashabihaat (allegorical) verses? Losers
@@idrea43 *We know they are distinct attributes. Even if we have no knowledge of how they’re distinct*
That doesn't make any sense. If you have NO KNOWLEDGE on how two things are distinct then you can't say they're distinct because....
You have NO KNOWLEDGE on how they're distinct
You cannot say Red and Blue are distinct if you have no Knowledge on what "Red" and "Blue" means. They could just be synonyms for the same thing. (The same way Water and H2O are synonyms for the same thing)
Knowledge is a prerequisite to compare two things and find differences. You can't say you have NO KNOWLEDGE and at the same time Implicitly claim to have KNOWLEDGE
Also The fact that they did different things doesn't change anything because one attribute can do different things under different names.
H2O can be used to cook
Water can be used to quench fire.
That doesn't mean that they are distinct because one text says one attribute was used for something that the other wasn't used for.
It could be the same attribute doing different things under different names.
You can assert that they're distinct but you don't KNOW that and you CANNOT know that according to your theology
The Internet is ending Islam day by day😂
You are deluded actually.
Churches have become mosques.
Easy Islam w Muslim latern cooked this guy
Nah... it was just made to appear that way.. just like Isa.. yah Muslims 😂
Even after 2000 years no one can explain the Trinity maybe in the year 4042 someone will.🙄
Unity and Distinction: The Trinity is described as one God in essence, yet three Persons. Each Person is fully God, sharing the same divine nature, but they are distinct in their relations: the Father generates the Son, the Son is generated by the Father, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son. This relationship does not imply any division in the divine essence, which remains undivided and simple.
Revelation of God: The Trinity is not merely a theological concept but a revelation of God's very self. It encompasses God's self-manifestation, inviting believers into a deeper understanding of His life and love. The Church's communion is modeled after the unity of the Trinity, emphasizing that this divine relationship is the source of the Church's unity.
Mystery Beyond Comprehension: The mystery of the Trinity surpasses human understanding. It is acknowledged that the depths of this mystery can only be grasped through the Holy Spirit, who reveals the inner life of God to believers. This understanding is not achieved through human wisdom but through faith and the guidance of the Spirit.
Historical Affirmation: The doctrine has been affirmed throughout Church history, including significant councils such as the Fourth Lateran Council, which articulated the belief in one true God in three Persons, emphasizing their co-equal and co-eternal nature27. The Athanasian Creed further encapsulates this belief, stating that while the Persons are distinct, they are united in their divine essence and glory.
Done.
That muslim deceiver got completely destroyed.
By who? Not in this debate. I actually think the Christian should come back with better arguments
Jay needs to realise that his entire belief falls under the fallacy of partialism
Islam loses again SMH
You are delusional 😂
no way, cristian always dodge question
Stop cappin 💀
Losing what are you or normal or abnormal ,,who is yahwe and who is father who is Jesus and who is son what the hell and at sametime they are all only one If its me I will never talk about this nonsense really wasting time
@@israfilangel8062 fr they dont even watch the debate lmao
It's one thing to get absolutely mopped by Jay in the debate, but to go and create a poll for your own viewers to help piece back together your fragile ego, only for it to backfire and the polls say you lost too. A whole different type of L, Lord have mercy.
7:18
Claim: problem Muslims accuse Christian’s of (polytheism) is the same problems Muslims have
Claim isn’t true. Allah has real distinct attributes that are inseparable from each other and from the essence. This is who God is, essential attributes that are necessary that if removed makes the entity no longer god. Having attributes doesn’t imply multiplicity in persons or entities lol nobody counts this way. You aren’t multiple entities because you have many attributes. And it is inaccurate to describe Allah as having “parts” bc parts entail physicality but Allah is metaphysical so the word can’t be used with the entirety of the meaning of the word. There is no dependence between the essence and attributes, they are all real distinct and inseparable. The human attribute of anger isn’t dependent on your attribute of sadness, in the same way that no attribute of Allah is dependent on another and no attribute is dependent on the essence, they are all Necessary inseparable qualities of Allah. In conclusion, Allah has no parts and is not dependent and is not multiple entities so no problem of polytheism like Christian’s have.
In contrast Christian’s admit that your god is 3 persons who are DIFFERENT yet all individually fully God. So 3 different entities are all god, this is 3 different gods and you are polytheists. In Islam we don’t say each attribute is fully god (but rather they are who Allah is and can not be separated or it is no longer God), whereas you do and that’s where the problem is. So Jay is making a false comparison
Christian’s suffer from polytheism, Muslims do not
How exactly does this work? If the attributes are all distinct and eternal and distinct from allah, then how can they be inseparable from allah? The only explanation that would work would be that the attributes all share in one nature that unites this multiplicity while maintaining that they are all distinct.
@@Nox-mb7iu hahaha no, I never said attributes are “distinct from Allah”.
The attributes and the essence are who Allah is. These attributes and the essence are distinct but inseparable. An entity is what their essence and attributes are.
A weak analogy to get you closer to understanding: To try and separate the entity from their attributes is like saying a car is distinct from its chassis. No, the chassis is a necessary attribute for a thing to be a car. Without it there is no car.
Similarly, The attributes are necessary for Allah to be Allah. Without them, He wouldn’t be God. You get it?
And it is not multiple entities because attributes and an essence are never considered multiple entities logically. Otherwise I could say that your anger is a person distinct from you, it’s incoherent. Nor does it make sense to say that the car chassis is a different entity to the car bc the car is only a car BECAUSE of the chassis, they’re not separate
So all of Allah’s attributes make Him Allah
@@idrea43 The attributes being distinct doesn't mean that they can't be allah. You see, if allah is his attributes and the attributes are not each other, this would lead to an absurdity where allah is 99 things that aren't each other. There simply has to be a distinction with allah and his attributes. The mistake you're making is assuming that distinction means separation, but that doesn't have to be the case if they all share one nature. I am also not disputing that the attributes are allah. I am merely pointing out that for that to be the case, they would have to share one nature that makes them one while maintaining this multiplicity.
@@Nox-mb7iu yes, Allah is 99+ attributes that aren’t each other, distinct, necessary, yet inseparable. A thing is only what its essential attributes are. 1 attribute of Allah isnt Allah so I suppose you could say they are “distinct”
Whether or not they are United by some nature has no entailment, I don’t have any reason to believe this. Rather, I simply believe that Allah is who He is and these distinct attributes are who Allah is. The thing that makes this multiplicity of attributes 1 entity is that they are a) essential attributes of 1 entity and attributes are not considered multiple entities b) inseparable so are not separated by time and space and Allah can only be counted by division (bc He is concrete, meaning in a causal relation), subsequently only 1 God.
On the other hand, Christian’s identify 3 entities (persons) who are inseparable (although the bible demonstrates otherwise, but I’ll take Christian belief at face value for now. Despite how anti bible it is). These 3 entities are said to have 1 mind and share an essence (God) and essential attributes. Problem is the father is not the son, son is not the father etc etc yet they all are fully god. What makes them multiple is them being different entities and all fully god. It’s a logical contradiction, like saying the attribute of power is fully Allah, the attribute of mercy is fully Allah, but there is only 1 Allah. Incoherent. If that was what Muslims believed then that would be polytheism
@@idrea43 I think we agree as by nature I mean that which unites things in one being. If the attributes are distinct but one entity, then that's them sharing in one nature. Likewise, if we count by division, then the Trinity too would be one God as three distinct persons share one nature. Jake Brancatella responded to one of my comments and said that the whole objection is that muslims count by identity while Christians count by division. However if we both count by division, then there is no problem that you can apeal to.
Now, your objection seems to be that the three persons are three entities, but the word entities assumes different natures. They are one being existing in three persons. When we say that each is fully God, we mean that they all have the nature fully, which we call God. It's like the attributes all share in one nature and thus all of them fully has the nature that unites them. The attributes are not each other and yet they are all one entity that is allah and all of them have the nature that unites them fully. Likewise, there are three persons and one nature which they all have. Your analogy is that saying that one attribute being fully allah would mean that one attribute is every attribute, but this is a flawed analogy. When we say that the Father, Jesus and the Spirit are all fully God, we aren't saying that the persons are all fully each other, but instead, that they all fully have the nature which unites them.
Islam with the L
Cooked like kosher halal
This is so painful to listen to 😂😂 Muslim is just lying from the jump what a dork
Which part is considered lying to you?
@@letmetalk2240 he’s literally misrepresenting what the guy jay just said 2 secs before 😂 how do you not notice?? One thing is to not believe him but damn at least understand what he’s saying 😅😅
@@letmetalk2240 the entire time… can’t even point out one time he actually understood what he said
@@letmetalk2240 the entire time, I can’t point out one time lantern understood him 😅
@@DeadstockDownsouth Christians usually lost in a debate with Islam.
They crap a lot. That is the reason I am not keen to listen to their rambling.
You are one of them too.
sneako is the worst host for these discussions, bro puts no rules, and just waits for chaos
Where is The muslim answer on the attributes issue? What he said?
Lantern kid was out of depth, if he had actual points he would elaborate.
Liked to listen to his own voice it seems...
17:41 That was cooking...can you hear it boil ? 😂
How is never defending the trinity a win? You know they've made up knew random facts to make islam look bad hence the new debates. God having a hand is polytheism? Each chapter in quran so that's polytheism? That's legit braindead and same old tactics being used by all these C youtubers now and then raiding the comments with Christian bots
ML refused to answer the question Jay asked. It’s simple are Allahs attributes and body parts part of Him or not?
If they are, then your god is a composite, that exists in time and space because body parts MUST be contained within a space:
If they are not part of him then they are independent and you have many gods.
The point is Muslims even today do not exegete the Quran , they will say of those verses and allahuaalim.
In the past they went to war over these differences
So like the dawaganda scene being exposed on the preservation of the Quran.
Tawheed is being shown to be the emperor with no clothes.
"I don't know what aqeedah is" such a bad faith debater
GUYS PART 2 UP NOW!!!!!!!
In this debate, ML won by landslide.
Do the church fathers agree on the trinity or not?? That’s seems like a very straight question, you can yes they agree and here is why or no they don’t and here is why. Jay was triggered by that question.
He was also triggered by LOL the definition of the trinity and he tried to superimpose his pagan believe on Islam by bringing up attributes and Allah and him having a hand. If Allah says there is nothing like him and he says he has a hand and feet then by that logic we can conclude that those features aren’t anything like we can imagine with in time or space.
These Christians are getting desperate
without lies islam dies . listen carefully jesus christ is GOD wether you like it or not
In your delusional dreams...
@@ayishabehardien6310 jesus christ is GOD ☦️ he will judge the world only GOD can judge , only GOD forgives sins and jesus forgives sins jesus christ is the only true GOD and without him no one can have eternal life .
@@ayishabehardien6310 you have ur black stone that removes ur sins when u kiss it , its pagan worship . You believe in a black stone and i believe in GOD jesus christ ☦️
@@thenarrowdoor7pagan worship😂😂😂 suggest you go and educate yourself about Islam first before talking about the black stone... seems you need to understand what it means.
Wow, majority of the comments are so bias and none of them are genuine. Nothing really happened in this video, just a typical debate that didnt even take off because it was poorly managed.
Muslim Lantern didn't get destroyed nor did Jay Dyer.