Pinky and the Brain vs the Network

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  • Опубликовано: 12 фев 2021
  • Part 2 of the Vs the Network Miniseries. Today's lesson: What happens when the network doesn't understand you.

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  • @mediamementosofficial
    @mediamementosofficial  3 года назад +15

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  • @RoninCatholic
    @RoninCatholic Год назад +35

    One of the best things about Pink and the Brain was the revelation that Brain, while a bit cynical and sometimes snippy, actually wants to rule the world because he thinks the current leadership is bad and his genius would make the world a better place for everyone to live in. He wants to be an overlord, but doesn't want it just to lord it over people.

  • @CinnamonGrrlErin1
    @CinnamonGrrlErin1 3 года назад +50

    "Larry died on his way back to his home planet."

  • @georgerobertson7010
    @georgerobertson7010 3 года назад +46

    It’s heartbreaking how the network treated this show.

  • @keyanawhitely7942
    @keyanawhitely7942 3 года назад +44

    Peter Hastings, a former writer for Pinky and the Brain wrote the episode "You'll never eat food pellets in this town again" to show how he was not proud of the executive's demands of changing Pinky and the Brain. He later quit the show afterwards. Anyway, I agree with him. And I know that everyone at WB was not pleased with Pinky, Elmyra and the Brain which is why it got canceled. At least Pinky and Brain return in the reboot.

    • @SincerelyJames
      @SincerelyJames Год назад +2

      peter was so pissed off he went to abc to make one Saturday morning

  • @IsabellaCataldo
    @IsabellaCataldo 3 года назад +60

    I saw you mentioned the Real Ghostbusters, which coincidentally was another victim of being screwed over by the network.
    It's so unfortunate to hear about these show creators getting abused the way they do, even when you've never seen the show itself.

    • @mightyfilm
      @mightyfilm 3 года назад +9

      The Real Ghostbusters was tragedy. It was a BETTER sequel than the meh second movie ever was, for one thing. But the writers knew and understood the premise and heavily built up on it, giving some pretty great concepts and stories that, again, are far better than haunted painting stealing a baby. Then someone at ABC got the bright idea to get a consulting firm to "fix" the show by making the characters dumber, shoving the kid appeal character down the audience's throats, and overall just turning a show that's more sophisticated than it had any right to be into something kids supposedly wanted, but didn't.

    • @acholl980
      @acholl980 2 года назад +3

      You're of course talking about Slimer and the Real Ghostbusters taking the most annoying character (he should have stayed in the ecto-storage chamber) and given him a separate segment thus killing what made the series popular to begin with. This could be it's own subject to work on.

  • @genemelendez8157
    @genemelendez8157 3 года назад +80

    At least Pinky and the Brain have returned to their former glory in the Animaniacs reboot. So if anything, they won against network TV

    • @LovelyLivelyV
      @LovelyLivelyV 3 года назад +15

      But was it really worth screwing over the Warners so badly? I mean, I can respect if people actually like what they did to them, but to me they age worse with each passing day and it’s unfair that they’re not getting the same golden treatment Pinky and the Brain have.

    • @aaronsarchive82
      @aaronsarchive82 2 года назад +8

      But without Tom Ruegger and his original team of creators. They weren't even asked to come back, with the exception of Paul Rugg who was kind of thrown a bone only because he was on the WB lot that day. I'm glad the original voice actors are working with Spielberg on Animaniacs again, but the creator of the characters never got to revisit the show the way he wanted to.

    • @noahbossier1131
      @noahbossier1131 2 года назад +2

      It makes sense. I think they need more content.

    • @WatcherPrime
      @WatcherPrime 2 года назад +3

      They are still dead.

  • @BrendanBarney
    @BrendanBarney 3 года назад +46

    Fun fact: I got to meet the voice of Brain at C2E2. Excellent guy!

  • @abdullahibouraleh6919
    @abdullahibouraleh6919 3 года назад +32

    Wow, I heard there was some behind the scenes drama, but I never knew it was that bad. When are networks gonna learn the phrase: If It Ain't Broke, Don't Fix It!?
    Pinky and the Brain was a darn good example of that trope. The original segments were successful and so was the spinoff.
    Fortunately, the lab mice duo are back after 20 years and as beloved as ever.

  • @daelen.cclark
    @daelen.cclark Год назад +6

    Introducing the new Hulu spin-off:
    Elmyra and Larry

  • @masterseal0418
    @masterseal0418 3 года назад +30

    Spielberg made this series special and knew that the network screwed over his masterpieces tho.

    • @gluttonousmaximus9048
      @gluttonousmaximus9048 2 года назад +11

      Should rephrase that to Tom Ruegger and the writers. Pinky Elmyra and the Brain was Spielberg's personal idea.

    • @daisyteto877
      @daisyteto877 2 года назад +7

      Actually Pinky, Elmyra, and the Brain wasn't Steven Spielberg's idea it was the Kids WB network execs' idea.Thanks a lot for executive meddling Kids WB execs. Pinky, Elmyra, and the Brain is a good example of a show being a bad show thanks to executive meddling.

  • @LeafRazorStorm
    @LeafRazorStorm 3 года назад +24

    _The TV viewers you'll delight,_
    _Unless the network puts your show on Sunday night!_

  • @beirirangu
    @beirirangu Год назад +5

    Producers: Here's a new show, how do you like it?
    Everyone: It's perfect
    Producers: OMG It's so broken! EVERYONE HATES IT! We need to change EVERYTHING!

  • @magnetoonproductions9541
    @magnetoonproductions9541 2 года назад +13

    They're still making jabs at this executive meddling in the Animaniacs revival. That's one heck of a grudge.

  • @Launchpad05
    @Launchpad05 3 года назад +49

    Warner Bros. never understands what makes something great until they muck it up beyond recognition, and they never get punished for it.

    • @magnetoonproductions9541
      @magnetoonproductions9541 Год назад +1

      You should see what Discovery is doing to the company.

    • @Launchpad05
      @Launchpad05 Год назад

      @@magnetoonproductions9541 Oh, I'm well aware of that.

    • @timbermicka
      @timbermicka Год назад

      You can't really blame super-rich 70 years old white/jewish execs for being totally disconnected from the masses

    • @Launchpad05
      @Launchpad05 Год назад

      @@timbermicka Oh yes you can.

    • @josepablomartinez-rendon9484
      @josepablomartinez-rendon9484 8 месяцев назад

      *cough* Young Justice *cough*

  • @PeterParker-ff7ub
    @PeterParker-ff7ub 2 года назад +5

    that decade had a lot of great animation and great shows

  • @VikingBoyBilly
    @VikingBoyBilly 3 года назад +18

    You know what would be a great spinoff? Pinky! That's right, just Pinky! The Pinky show with no other characters. What could possibly go wrong? Nobody has ever tried something like that before

  • @TheMagickKatt
    @TheMagickKatt 3 года назад +5

    I fell in LOVE with the reboot trailer

  • @SiRenfield
    @SiRenfield 3 года назад +18

    The DCAU/Timmverse actually survived mostly unscathed because the creative team was pretty good at knowing when to stand their ground, but it might still be interesting to talk about since it can could still be pretty baffling and confusing at times, two words: Bat Embargo

    • @jadenbryant9283
      @jadenbryant9283 10 месяцев назад +2

      late but yeah it was stupid like i could deal with the bat family not showing but batmans villains yeah that just stupifies me

    • @SiRenfield
      @SiRenfield 10 месяцев назад

      @@jadenbryant9283 Especially two of the original Legion of Doom members

    • @jadenbryant9283
      @jadenbryant9283 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@SiRenfield espiaclly scarecrow considering how awesome they made him in the new batman adventres

    • @SiRenfield
      @SiRenfield 10 месяцев назад

      @@jadenbryant9283 That I am especially bitter about

    • @jadenbryant9283
      @jadenbryant9283 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@SiRenfield right! that would have been so cool man

  • @idongesitusen5764
    @idongesitusen5764 3 года назад +7

    It's What The Network Wants, Why Bother to Complain?

  • @danielgudinojuarez6729
    @danielgudinojuarez6729 Год назад +4

    Wow, Pinky and the Brain were treated poorly on Kids WB. It's very sad how the last season went on a depressing note.

  • @galacticglamourgirl
    @galacticglamourgirl 3 года назад +16

    After watching the Animaniacs reboot, even though I prefer the Warners (both the characters and their segments), I'm glad Pinky and the Brain have been given another chance to shine like they used to.
    Also, is anyone else expecting the reboot to eventually make a joke that disses Pinky, Elmyra and the Brain? It did make fun of Loonatics Unleashed after all.

    • @pooolB
      @pooolB 2 года назад +4

      They have already with Egwind, a third mouse that shows up randomly and they treat like he's their friend that's been with them the whole time, only to immediately get killed before doing actually doing anything

    • @galacticglamourgirl
      @galacticglamourgirl 2 года назад +1

      @@pooolB Oh yeah, I guess that could be seen as a more subtle dig at Pinky Elmyra and the Brain. Although I always saw him as more of a reference to Larry.

    • @noahbossier1131
      @noahbossier1131 2 года назад +1

      Yes

    • @samanthasantiago6265
      @samanthasantiago6265 2 года назад

      There was a reference in Gift Rapper

    • @galacticglamourgirl
      @galacticglamourgirl 2 года назад

      @@samanthasantiago6265 Well, that was more a mention of Elmyra herself, not specifically towards Pinky, Elmyra and the Brain as a show.

  • @mightyfilm
    @mightyfilm 3 года назад +18

    I'm going to completely disagree about Snowball. In incapable hands, sure, the character would have fell flat and been completely pointless, but the writers knew how to deal with the character. Sure, give Brain a rival is an obvious choice, but taking that character and making him an evil counterpoint of malicious intent to Brain's supposed good intentions and ego gave the show stakes. By that point, the show was just about to go from funny comedy formula to repetitive and stale. Gently mixing it up by having Brain work to save the world from Snowball instead of just trying to take it over. There are times when he did come dangerously close, too. As for the Elmyra spinoff? It didn't need to exist at all. The show had a good run of 3 seasons, not to mention some new shorts folded into new Animaniacs episodes, which also was about to end. Pinky and the Brain had a great 3 part series finale, and even ignoring that, a very good series faux-nale where they stage a fake reunion show. The show didn't need to continue, and it was clear the end of the wacky cartoons on Kid's WB was over and action oriented shows, mostly off the success of Pokemon, became the network's new thing. Elmyra does work in her own element of Tiny Toons, and maybe one episode of Pinky and the Brain with her would have worked, but rewatching that show basically reiterated my point. Pinky and the Brain was great while it lasted, it didn't need to continue, leave the audience wanting more.

    • @Ethan-ey4jx
      @Ethan-ey4jx 2 года назад

      Then why did the Animaniacs reboot made them continue to dominate the world?

    • @mightyfilm
      @mightyfilm 2 года назад

      The show didn't need to continue past the three seasons at the point of the original airing. The network somehow wanted to keep the series around, but change it, but then cancel it. I don't see a 4th season of the original series. As for the new series, 20 something years of inactivity plus new writers giving the concept new blood worked wonders for Pinky and the Brain. Also, 20 plus years worth of pop culture and changing times gave the characters more to work with. Plus, if they were going to reboot Animaniacs, of COURSE they would go with the most popular headliner act with the Warner Siblings. I didn't get to see the new series until more recently, and they did indeed re-invigorate the characters, even though they kind of made Brain a little more sinister in a couple episodes. The parody of 1950's McCarthyism especially.

    • @Ethan-ey4jx
      @Ethan-ey4jx 2 года назад

      @@mightyfilm And what would happen if any Ruegger cartoon similar to Animaniacs or Tiny Toons made a new cartoon series or a new episode of a cartoon series like Histeria or Road Rovers after the year 2000? Like 2001, 2002 or 2003? Even if it wasn’t on Kids WB?
      Would their animation and music change drastically and not be like how it was meant to be from the 90’s? What difference would it make for transitioning into the next decade? The early Y2K is supposed to share things in common with the late 90’s y’know.

    • @mightyfilm
      @mightyfilm 2 года назад

      I don't entirely get your point, but I'll say this. Pinky and the Brain is one of my absolute favorites. The Elmyra series isn't as terrible as everyone says it is, but it's FAR more repetitive and formulaic than the original series was. I'd be afraid that would have been the fate of the original series if it continued onward past 3 seasons. I get the feeling we'd get two options of how the show would pan out. The show would just keep getting more meta over time about how they're running out of ideas on how Brain wants to take over the world (indeed a few episodes had hints of that), and then it would get meta about being meta, Simpsons style. Or option two, they'd have to entirely change the concept of the show, which was gradually happening with Snowball anyway. Inevitable Flanderization would befall the characters no matter what. Besides, even if somehow a fourth season of the show was greenlit, the third season didn't end with the satisfying series conclusion, there was no guarantee Kid's WB would have had use for comedy series at that point. For that's when the network took the shift to action shows like Pokemon and DC Comics properties. We'd most likely see an abrupt, unsatisfying ending, and it would have been buried in "The Big Cartoony Show," like Sylverster and Tweety Mysteries was in its final season.

    • @Ethan-ey4jx
      @Ethan-ey4jx 2 года назад

      @@mightyfilm I might be a bit off topic. But I’m not talking about the writing or formula. I’m talking about any Ruegger cartoon from WB in general. Even when it’s not on Kids WB.
      What would the animation style and music be like after the year 2000? Particularly Histeria? Should it be upgraded to digital ink since Wakko’s Wish? And I’m talking about something like this. Here’s a clip from 2002 featuring Pinky and Speedy Gonzales. ruclips.net/video/MxXEReAcKAA/видео.html

  • @eatatjoes6751
    @eatatjoes6751 2 года назад +4

    A network that doesn't understand why characters are popular and meddles to see why?
    Hmmmmm...that seems to soak up a memory...

  • @GraveUypo
    @GraveUypo Год назад +3

    even as a kid i always found weird how warner bros shows had an unsettling amount of fourth wall breaking, complaining about censors and the network, but i had no idea they were actual fourth wall breaking (i was a kid after all). i thought "won't the actual censors find this offensive?". seeing stuff from an adult perspective changes stuff so much...

  • @Nonjola
    @Nonjola Год назад +3

    I think Elmyra is a character that can work in small doses. But not as a recurring character.

  • @liladefarge9125
    @liladefarge9125 3 года назад +4

    I had a feeling this one was coming!

  • @omoowo9331
    @omoowo9331 10 месяцев назад

    Another example of being mistreated by the network is the 1981 Smurfs series.

  • @CartoonTriper
    @CartoonTriper 2 года назад +3

    I like the creators knows is gonna be bad, but still commited to make the best possible
    is weird this phrase of "Wakka Wakka Doo" they used too in Barnyard?, is some kind of punchline for bad catchprhase like the "Electric Boogaloo"

  • @ritaandrunt5767
    @ritaandrunt5767 2 года назад +2

    This goes to show you that when you have or are given a good show like pinky and the brain halfway it's run time on TV stations across the world those meddling tv executives will try and make the show completely different from what it once was thats especially true when it comes to this show

  • @joshhacker8503
    @joshhacker8503 3 года назад +4

    Edited: Second thought. Anyone else remember Histeria? I never hear anyone talk about it anymore. I remember liking it myself, but that doesn't sat much.
    Original thought: As a kid, I had a very split perception of Animaniacs. I loved tge Warners, P&B, Slappy Squirrel and Chicken Boo. However, I only "liked" Good Feathers and basically didn't care about anything else. Rita and Rut were the most boring to me, possibly tied with the Hippos.

    • @bedsidearts
      @bedsidearts 2 года назад

      I actually was just falling down that hole

  • @nekonekopanicnekonekopanic7335

    That Mindy and buttons joke is so true I hated those segments definitely the worst out of the lot. I don't know why they got so many more segments when compared to Rita.

  • @Kittenfox_55
    @Kittenfox_55 Год назад

    I remember watching Pinky and the Brain on Jetix.

  • @BeTheHero905
    @BeTheHero905 2 года назад

    Didn’t know this, very interesting

  • @Iliekdeers
    @Iliekdeers 3 года назад +8

    Great review ! I’m always love Pinky and The Brain since I was a kid and of course Animaniacs but my number one favourite is i”m a huge fan of Pinky and The Brain more than the others characters . 2:05 , Yeah so true , lot of people did falling in love of does two characters , they are fascinating and also is a great story , my favourite is The Brain 😄.
    Well you should dislike Snowball , he’s evil , cruel and he’s a sick f🤬k . Now the new snowball is Julia who’s coming up soon to the second season reboot . Oh yeah right ! Larry , that was bizarre .
    Oh God ! Pinky , Elmyra and The Brain ? yak ! 🤢🤮terrible ! Honestly I never watch that another spin off version show but it suddenly looks bad 😠and is completely ruined .
    Pinky and The Brain show (1995 to 1998 ) it’s a classic and a masterpiece .
    I was really enjoy to watch the new Animaniacs 2020 reboot season one and of course Pinky and The Brain , awwwwwwww 🤩I love it ! It was excellent 👏😃.
    Anyway ! I’m looking forward to watch the second season Animaniacs reboot in specially Pinky and The Brain , hell yeah ! 🤟😎🤟

  • @petranpetran7863
    @petranpetran7863 Месяц назад

    adding Merry Melodie instead of Elmyra would have been better

  • @baliyae
    @baliyae Год назад +1

    I actually liked Pinky, Elmyra and the Brain. It was pretty good, in my opinion.

  • @mintykittyplays7808
    @mintykittyplays7808 3 года назад +5

    *sees thumbnail*
    Me: oh wow THAT episode... wait a moment...
    My danganronpa side: A BODY HAS BEEN DISCOVERED AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME WHICH YOU MAY USE HOWEVER YOU LIKE, THE CLASS TRAIL WILL BEGIN!

  • @megamike15
    @megamike15 2 года назад

    and then when they brought it back with the 2020 reboot the new writers kind of forgot brain actually does care about pinkey so toned up his abuse towards him.

  • @jeremygaal5127
    @jeremygaal5127 24 дня назад

    The WB is stupid and shortsighted, not for giving Pinky and the Brain their own show, but for giving them their show yet still finding ways to screw it over for no absolute reason other than just "revenue". People like that piss me off to no end! I love Animaniacs and Pinky and the Brain (plus Freakazoid) and the network messed them up in the end! Just ask Peter Hastings, he'll tell you.

  • @Bluey
    @Bluey 3 года назад

    the peta of cartoons

  • @kevinwollenweber340
    @kevinwollenweber340 2 года назад +1

    You know, listening to this video in the comments about “Pinky in the brain“, I have to say that my complaints go back to when the networks really controlled Saturday morning. This happened when the networks intervened at all, and we were no longer getting theatrical cartoons totally uncut! When cartoons were being created specifically for Saturday morning kids entertainment, you kind of knew that the entertainment was going to be rated as to how kid friendly the things were! So when they aired a classic Tom and Jerry cartoon, you know the first thing that people would complain about was the excess violence! No one understood exactly why people watch Tom and Jerry cartoons to begin with! Then, even when the Tom and Jerry cartoons showed up in syndication, they were edited down so nothing would “offend” anybody. Nobody realized, once again, why people go to the theaters to see these things! When they were Saturday matinees at your local theater, those were theatrical cartoons from another era, another time in another place, and you kids got to see what’s your parents like to see between classic films, or rather than brand new films. So the adults were getting entertained, even with the animation. Of course it had to be something kid friendly about the cartoons, so some of the characters were cute and cuddly, or they tried to emulate Walt Disney, or are they just plain marked everything that Walt Disney was trying to do. Of course, this was not the case, but it felt like it sometimes. Some animators kind of understood what Walt Disney was doing, and they wanted to do something like it, but the adult content remained so adults would not get bored. That to me was Looney Tunes and merry melodies in the beginning. Even when you had a sniffles cartoon, look at the first one, his adversaries The cat was defeated by white? A drunken electric razor! It was so absurd it was funny! If a network cartoon was made of that, you know the network with immediately start punching holes in the whole concept, and anything entertaining about it would be taken away! Mind you, folks, this is my opinion and not necessarily fact. I’m sure if you talk to animators, they were happy with what they did. I am happy with most of what they did, except for a few examples which I’ve mentioned above. The first time I saw a theatrical Tom and Jerry cartoon, edits were already made, so I didn’t realize that there was stuff that certain people didn’t want us to see. Then, years and years later, we got these wonderful DVDs and Blu-rays of uncut cartoons, and we realize what fun was Hidden within the cartoons, references to adult films and adult radio shows, things like that. Do you enjoy these cartoons, you have to understand entertainment history. If you don’t, you will find some things unsettling! This does not mean that everything invented specifically for television animation was awful. Far from it; I liked the very early Hanna-Barbera cartoons. Those were interesting, sometimes written by the same people who wrote those theatrical Tom and Jerry cartoons. The only difference, or so it seemed, is that all animal characters had to talk. What I loved, when I saw my first theatrical Tom and Jerry cartoon, was that the cat and mouse mostly did not even talk! Their emotions and the comedy was all pantomime! I loved it! So my long meandering point here is that this sort of stuff was happening long before the invention of “pinky and the brain“. You kind of know that if you approach a network with a television show that is sophisticated in any way, you’ll have to deal with the networks, because they will not get it! It has to appeal to the general audiences or it doesn’t see the light of day. This is what eventually turned me off of Saturday morning altogether! I knew that if I was going to see anything worthwhile, it would be in syndication; and even then, once the sensors got their hands on it, you knew you were gonna be missing the point of some of the gags with the cartoon. And, of course, the main studios wanted to make money. So they would go along with the network sensors, no matter how much it hurt all the talent within the studio.

  • @littleyoyo8480
    @littleyoyo8480 3 года назад

    nice earthbund music

  • @kidfil0947
    @kidfil0947 6 месяцев назад

    You know what this spin-off with Elmyra reminds me of? It reminds me of those really... REALLY bizarre Looney Tunes shorts from the 60s with Daffy Duck and Speedy González. Just like this spin-off, these cartoons sucked because... Well, obviously, a duck and a mouse don't fit together as enemies in the same cartoon. Pinky, Elmyra and the Brain did basically the same thing BUT WORSE! Because not only they don't fit, but also... What are you gonna do with this 3? Have Pinky and the Brain trying to take over the world but Elmyra is preventing them from doing it? This won't work. Maybe it could work if it was only suppose to be ONE episode of the ORIGINAL Pinky and the Brain show crossovering them, not an entire series. And this show is so nonsense that, when I see the intro, I can easily imagine this being a joke from an Animaniacs short, but no, it isn't! This actually exists. It's just ridiculous how far executives can go just because of a few more points.

  • @katherinebarnes6374
    @katherinebarnes6374 3 года назад +2

    Did You Do Any VS. The Network Videos Before[and if you haven't do animaniacs next]

    • @mediamementosofficial
      @mediamementosofficial  3 года назад +3

      I haven't yet. That's this month's miniseries. And sorry, I don't take requests. We've actually recorded February's videos back in December. We always record two months ahead.

    • @orangeslash1667
      @orangeslash1667 2 года назад

      @@mediamementosofficial I wonder if Pinky and the Brain is a parody of the Secret of Nimh?????? Since Steven Spielberg worked with Don Bluth.

  • @Dinosaurprince
    @Dinosaurprince 11 месяцев назад

    Please the 80s and 90s were ripe with smart cartoons that didn’t treat kids like idiots. Mighty Mouse sure as hell wasn’t one. Tiny Toon was far from the first. It wasn’t even the first out of Warner Bros to do so during the era.

  • @LikaLaruku
    @LikaLaruku Год назад +2

    Animaniacs was great because of the variety. Not too much of anything & nothing was too long.
    The Pinky & the Brain series & the Animaniacs revivals sucked because they couldn't grasp this simple concept.

  • @SincerelyJames
    @SincerelyJames Год назад

    this show was what the network wanted. why bother to complain?

  • @wallowlight
    @wallowlight 3 года назад +3

    hey i like buttons and mindy

  • @RaidenKaiser
    @RaidenKaiser Год назад

    vs the network basically sums up alot of problems with entertainment. Replace the term network with publishers and you get the game industry being screwed with by rich out of touch morons ruining everything they touch because they think they know better lol.

  • @bedsidearts
    @bedsidearts 2 года назад

    I would argue from the weirdo of the weirdo perspective we love Elmira