This Infestor Drop Strategy Is AMAZING (Ling Infestor to GM #3)
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The infestor you dropped at 23:13 actually did survive! You mentioned that you lost your "infestor that I had at the front" 24:35, but it acutally joined your units by heroically tunneling while burrowed all the way :D you can see it entering the frame from the top at 24:17 happily obeying your orders and joining the flock of infestors, haha!
Why not do this against the AI instead of against low mmr players? same effect and people can play their ladder games without getting griefed
@@stefanfrank7426 This is a strategy game. It is also competitive. Consider chess. If you play vs a grandmaster will you complain that you are getting griefed or should you try to take the game, analyze it and see how you can improve. Of course you cannot win, but you can still get better in strategy, execution and overall learn things from a loss. I have been wanting to play vs Uthermal for a while. I would totally get obliterated, but it would at least be in a cool way :)
@@stefanfrank7426 dude calm down, it's just a game. Everyone can play it as they wishes as long as they are not hacking or cheating in any ways
@@stefanfrank7426 Low MMR? That's Diamond league, lol. They are much stronger than AI and most of them reached Masters in the past and play the game for many years.
@@Ayrinth but sc2 isnt chess, if the diamond leaguer goes to analyze the replay he will see that he lost because his opponent played 30.000 games more and as a result is two times as fast with their actions. thats not a factor in chess.
ZvZ - Drop 4 infestors in his mineral line, and neural a drone to make it into a spine crawler inside his base !
you could even block his ramp if you made enough spines / buildings
I love this! 4 infestor drop, 4 spines in the mineral line!!!!
Dang, you beat me to it.
love how playing against an opponent that isn't playing meta "bores him to death" lmao
Here's an idea for stealing a probe to make a Nexus. Burrow an infester at your opponents third base, wait for the probe to show up and nurl it, then build the nexus at his third. Once you build your own probe from it you can just go back and make another nexus on your side of the map, but you would only need 1 infestor, and you delay their third forever. Also i just wanna see what a protoss does when he goes to his third and see's a nexus that isn't his.
having a Protoss opponent on 2 bases whilst you already have an Infestor + neural is extremely unlikely. but denying their 4th or 5th this way is pretty much an option, yeah
does stealing the probe spend the opponents reasources aswell?
@@MrUSAFMatt it doesn't, the opp just loses this worker
11:16 the moment when the Zerg has a higher nexus count than than the protoss
"you mean base count?"
"NO, the NEXUS count!"
I found this to be VERY entertaining! I've been playing SC since 1998, and I love your creative builds and flowery commentary. Keep it up!!
21:52 the shadow of the viking 😳
That's called foreshadowing :)
If you get the probe steal off again, you could always build a mothership and then mass recall some lings and infestors into your opponent's base. or just use it's passive cloaking on a ling army
if you built a nexus in their base could you recall to it?
@@trenthansen3950 if it was still standing, probably
@@tromedlovdrolmai I guess my idea isn't that great because nydus and dropper lords are probably better
Use a mothership to cloak lurkers.
cloak is not passive anymore!
This is 2024 version of Destiny's 4-festor hit squad
First thing I thought of too, Destiny was ahead of his time Kappa
Was looking for this exact comment
@@LetalisLatrodectuscan you guys believe Destiny went from a SC2 pro on 2013 to a global L debater on the internet , he’s been around for a while
BAWLERS!
We got it Kyle, we're winning the war!
Yo Marc, regarding the probe steal, I think the easiest method would be to wall the scouting probe in your main base and go for a quick lair/queens in the natural. Then just neural the probe at your convivence. You'll have to out up with some worker/mineral harass micro for a few minutes if your opponent is feeling cheeky, But I'm confident in your ability to out-micro most players. I'd also suggest going for some light ling harass so your opponent would not feel safe using their recall on the probe.
This is so absurd I think there is a way to make it work.
This will rarely - if ever - work for multiple reasons. You cannot wall your ramp as zerg because there's no creep there, you'd need like 2 hatchs to wall the probe in. Walling your own ramp means no units or workers can leave your main and the opponent knows this, losing per default on any level higher than plat or diamond. The queen in the main will auto-attack the probe whenever she's not moving, you cannot even stop her from attacking without issuing move commands. Lastly, you'd need like 6 minutes or so to finally get neural out AND you will have to put up with the probe potentially attacking workers or even just your hatch or queen and killing them in the process and no amount of micro can prevent that, because you cannot kill the probe in order to stop it.
So nice idea, but that won't work.
Idea: Late proxy nexus into recall
Imagine neuraling a probe, building a late proxy nexus in their base, and then recalling the zerg army into their main.
That would have to be a world's first
Fungal disruptor would be wild
Opponent splits would be in slowmo.
23:18 The burrowed infestor will make its way all the way back to base, underground, if you look at the minimap.
Am surprised it even managed to get back unscathed when it literally run through the entire terran base.
Can you neural a probe and load it to your drop enabled overlord? And carry it back to your base and unload it… then neural again to build nexus?
I was thinking this exact thing
Funny.
dropperlords don't seem to be able to pick up probes
You stole my question! Lol
Nydus?
This is peak inspiration for how I should control my investor’s in my own games.
even mined some salt with that last one
It’s really cool finding a channel in Diamond league! I feel like every channel is run by GMs, so it’s a bit refreshing to find someone down here with the common folk. I’m struggling in Diamond league as well, so this is awesome to watch.
Uthermal approaching the impossible challenge? If he can do it kinda conistently he has to be the serral of a own secret category, no? Crazy dude, loving it!
LOVE that we are getting daily SC content again!
My lunch break without Uthermal is 😔
I mean, that Terran was “bored” because he was not winning
Yep, he didnt get to play that 10+ planetary BC and mine out all minerals in a map "not boring" usual game
Honestly The funniest thing would be to just steal a probe, make a nexus nearby, then from there apply pressure with cannons for max memes
A: What's up, why are you feeling down today?
B: I got cannon-rushed by a Zerg on ladder.
A: You mean spine crawler rushed?
B: Nope...
zerg cannon rush. now that’s content
what if you neural your opponent's drones and use them to build spore crawlers? will they be yours or theirs once they finish morphing?
They will be yours
Regarding the strategizing at 13:35 about building CCs and such, you need way fewer infestors than calculated, and you would've needed like half the infestors you needed in that game to transport the probe across if you abused the full 22 range the infestor has with neural (8 to neural, 14 to break neural). A CC building for 71 sec means you need 7 neurals to build it and you can leave it on for full duration because the SCV does not move.
Golden did such strats in the past repeatedly; your opponent knows exactly what you are doing though, because they get vision of their SCV each time the neural runs out (neural has a tiny cast time when the neural thingy flies towards the unit and you cannot re-neural while the previous neural still is active).
Got some himalayan pink salt in that second game 🤣
Marc, you should be careful with the probe making building. After Parasite is gone the probe will give vision on the buildings and will remain on mini map. The best is to avoid it.
He knows the probe was giving vision; he mentioned it in the vid :)
The best protoss zerg army is Infestor, Disruptor and Immortal with your choice of Corruptor, Void ray or Tempest in the skies so long as you dont mind heavy micro. With Infestors to lock the enemy in place for either disruptors (ground enemies) or long range tempest shots or the void rays closing in preventing kiting (air enemies) and the immortals to tank for your infestors and disruptors you can take out just about anything.
I lost it when you neuraled the viking and just sent it to sit in time out in the corner
Imagine if you found a way to neural the widow mines to fire on his own mineral line that would be so sick
The infection-strategy would probably get more views than the Nukes b/c of the meme quality of the idea. 10/10.
I hope you read this. I know building a CC with a controlled SCV is too much, but maybe you could build a bunker and put Adepts or stalkers in it. Another option is making Medivacs and using them to heal your units. There must be a shorter build building you could do with a controlled SCV, that could work with your build.
The commentary on the terran infestor strategy overlooked one big detail: Terran buildings can fly. No need to walk the SCV all the way home, just to a hidden corner to build. Then fly the building back to a better spot.
That moment you dropped the Viking to the ground 😂😂😂 I imagined myself as the terran just watching that play out, hands off the keyboard like "wtf?" 🤣🤣🤣
You lose vision from neuraled units
@@ten8468 do you really? I had no idea
@@scottbruce7423 yeah I use that often to try and neural probes and build a nexus in the corner of their base without them even getting vision on it. If you distract them by attacking at the front at the same time and send the probe back in the middle of their mineral line after, it sometimes works depending on their level and how far ahead you are. You can then bring a chronoboosted probe back to your base using a droperlord.
One time when I got take out late at night the cashier said 'Have a Night' and that feels a lot like 'GG in life'
Sooo, did you have a night? This is the real question we should be asking.
I've been having a night for a long time now... @@RehPetr
In a ZvT something you could do is neural a raven and use it to drop a bunch of auto turrets. The turrets remain yours after the neural ends and oppo is left with an empty raven, or you can force attack the raven with the turrets while it's still yours.
When harstem did the building a CC with zerg, he waiting until they expanded a bit so the walk was not as far then he built out front of his area and flew it back
I really don't like the "coming up" segment, it really doesn't fit your videos and is a step backwards, in my opinion. It just spoils things, you can't just show highlights, it diminishes it when the video actually gets to that point because the build-up would have been for nothing because we already saw it at the beginning, plus the annoyance of just having to watch it again. Your videos have been perfectly fine as-is without such a gimmick.
I’m torn about that with all the sc videos where the main moment is the thumbnail and title so you may know who wins and what the climax is. But it’s hard to say cause it’s better without provided you were going to watch it anyway. It may actually boost viewership though for people who weren’t necessarily going to just watch them all. It may be a necessary evil to advertise the video.
Agreed. I hate all these 'game the algorithm' tricks, in part because they make videos actively worse, and in part because there is enough stupid people who get tricked to make it worth it doing.
Same thing with ads - I don't remember the last time when an ad influenced me to buy anything, and I actively try to avoid wasting my life watching them, yet it's one of the biggest industries in the world.
Skip it if you don’t like it. If it helps get more views and keeps those views longer that’s all that matters. He’ll have the metrics on the backend to make that determination.
You really can just skip ahead and you won’t have anything spoiled.
Making the $$ and keeping the videos flowing is what truly matters.
I like it, If you are new to SC I can see how it helps you understand whats going on draw you in. Plus he only spends a few seconds on it which is great
@@JA-in3hw This is also why I block thumbnails. :P
You do not have to bring an scv the whole way home to build the command center, you just need to build it somewhere you can defend and then lift and float it home.
This video was hilarious. Players are probably flabbergasted 😂
11:00 Style ranking B - Baddass!
'talks about experimenting with protoss/zerg build, proceeds to show no mercy and finishes the game before doing anything'
It was like watching someone get an old school MK finisher opening and instead of a cool execution, ya just kicked them.
24:25 campaign vibes :D
If you have vipers you can yoink the probe to neural
You need : (length of the map ÷ range of neural parasite) + (time to build command center ÷ duration of neural parasite)
That should give you the amount of infestors needed to steal the terran tech. Idk the raw values but if some other nerd out there does they can plug them in and figure it out
in a tournament a long time ago (harte of the swarm I think) there was a parasited command centre that got built in a main stage match. don't remember who did it though but it was really cool.
I’d like to see 2v2 where you control both races. Zerg + Terran. Fun combos
So what cross-race unit interactions work if you neural a probe/SCV to build?
- Mothership cloaks zerg units (pretty sure this works)
- Worker units can return minerals/gas to off-race base?
- Warp prism / medivac can carry zerg units?
- Medivac can heal zerg units?
- Queen can heal terran bio units?
- Terran/Protos units immune to baneling splash?
- Sentry guardian shield reduces damage?
- Sentry can hallucinate zerg units?
- Viper can consume terran/protoss buildings?
When the protoss dies before you can get to your bread and butter ling-infestor-immortal-disruptor-carrier :c
Examples where it actually worked to neural a SCV and use it to build a command center:
LowKo & Winter: ruclips.net/video/6te_KpATRzc/видео.htmlsi=Q7cSuhScL8eNJRhB&t=810
Harstem: ruclips.net/video/AWe2cdRNjHE/видео.htmlsi=5xn7ZUDSoXS2sAWq&t=794
Third example: ruclips.net/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/видео.htmlsi=mVymlE3_zQUiDKC7
Ibwould love to see uthermal do something with mass overseers, where he poops on their buildings all game
I tried this strategy a while back and it took me 10 games to win one. The reason is that overseers are actually very expensive - you just don't realize it when you only build one.
But eventually I managed to defend a protoss push and then perma blocked the 2 robos while I was pushing back with roaches and wo immortals he couldn't defend.
@@ten8468 I feel certain uthermal could make this happen hehe
0:14 heck yeah!!
20:10 that's actually crazy, new zerg "storm drop" meta!
you could try taking a mining spot closer-by before bringing a drone all the way back?
what if you neural a probe in the mineral line and immediately use it to spam a bunch of photon cannons right in the way?
He needs a forge to be able to make cannons.
@@tamazerd damn, you're so right. my plan foiled.
There was a match, I think was scarlet agains somebody else, in which she captures his prove, and make a protos army and win the protos with his own tools.
I remember Catz doing it in a pro tournament, don't remember against who it was
is everyone referencing that one tweet every time they say "tools"?
I know Lowko did a Zerg Tactical Nuke game, so that might help with determining how many neurals you need for the Zerglot.
Or harstem with beating Grandmasters wth stupid stuff. Both good to get some ideas
When you neural a probe and build a nexus is your 200 supply maxed shared with both races or do you get a fresh set of 200 supply in addition? I imagine they share
In brood war with dark archon it gave you a new supply count, but I don't think that's the case now
@@chrisbyrd1349 Yeah, same supply cap.
Would be cool to have
-recall large hydra army to enemy behind wall
-bunkers, just engage with them
You can neural and use scans still I think ? Maybe even lift building in wall, eh ? :) Evil smurf-troll eh
Yeah when marc talked about getting an enemy drone it would just grant him another hatchery if he morphed into it instead of adding more supply. I'm curious if you can pick up a captured probe in an OL and transport?
You can't. @@melonfarmer5290
@@melonfarmer5290 Captured enemies can't be loaded into transports.
Years ago, I saw Flash do this against a Terran. Built a bunch of tanks and pinned him in his base. His opponent accused him of cheating.
Thanks for the fun creativity! ^^
Watching those triple nyduses get planted made me wonder what if nyduses were used as a Zerg "force field" to trap so lings can surround or infestors can fungal easier
Is it possible to build a fast Nexus in youre opponents bace - then recall a big zerg army?
Neural the SCV, make a CC nearby, then fly the CC to wherever.
Really cool strat :-)
Could it be a viable strat to perma-block opponent upgrades via Overseer contamination while rushing upgrades yourself to win via big tech lead? Or alternatively use perma-contamination on opponent production and rush out cheap units to win via supply lead? Trades wouldn't have to be very good to win if opponent can't produce anything I guess?
A couple ideas- Can you recall Zerg units to your proxy nexus? Instant mode nydus! Also could heal up your festors with medivacs!
that was freakin' fun as hell! I also had no idea you could make more than one nydus... going to go try it now. Please consider doing a a series with Swarm Hosts. I surprise people a lot with them behind a wall of ranches
this is my new favorite series 😄
Another idea is to camp their 3rd or 4th base with a couple infestors to kidnap the probe when they go to expand
I LOVE YOUR CONTENT UTHERMAL KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK HOPE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY IS DOING WELL! SENDING LOVE
You did that already! Building a CC with a neuraled SCV! I remember a video where you did exactly that!
Are you sure? Harstem did it a year ago is that what you're thinking about?
If you neural parasite an enemy zerg and make a hatch, wouldnt it be the enemies hatch since you lose control when it dies to make a building?
Neural, uild a nexus close to them and build a new probe.
That one comes back to your base.
Yeah, I came here to write the same. Even if the close nexus dies, it is surely still cheaper than building 6+ infesters for the task. Not to mention the APM cost...
It should be possible to time building the nexus, so that the opponent doesn't see it get built when the probe reverts.
The four fester hit squad returns. You’re at step 1 of the journey to being a political talk streamer.
This strategy already has a name. It's called the "four infestor hit squad" Destiny invented it 12 years ago. 😅
Can you neuro a worker and put it in a nydus?
No
How about neuro a prob then load it in a droperlord ? Would the opponent be able to unload as the neuro run out or would you be able to fly all the way to your main ?
Once BeastyQT neuraled an SCV ~14 times in a row and built a CC, then ended up nuking his opponent.
Can you put a neutraled probe into your dropperlord? Easier transport and less energy used.
The probe steal… EPIC! 😂😂😂
Is it possible to do a 3 infestor drop, nueral a probe and command the probe to enter the overlord and then fly it back home and build the nexus?
overlord drops infestor --> neuro a probe --> put probe into overlord --> another infestor at home to neuro again to build nexus? Would this work?
I'm not sure if it's possible.
Maybe you can neural the probe and then load it into a dropper Lord.
Then carry it across the map and drop it out again. Then Neural it again.
Then finally build the base.
Then immediately kill that probe so it doesn't get a scout on you.
With an infestor drop, could you neural drones and build spines in their mineral line?
what happens if you steal a probe and put it into an drop overlord? Can you drive it home and then re-neural it at your base?
i just started the video but i loved this when i played sc2 - i would make the nexus with neural probe and produce 1 probe and send that back to make the fleet
also, I'm fairly certain you can produce structures on your own creep
@@johnsontommyg Nope, creep prevents any buildings other than zerg. Coop removed this altogether, you can place any buildings on creep in coop. In 2v2, T and Z are a pretty annoying combo on some maps because you cannot even land your buildings anymore after lifting them if your zerg partner creeped everything. And some maps make it nearly impossible not to creep everywhere if you want to move your queens or units properly.
What would you say to play zerg and winning only with static defense (spine+spore) and vipers? You could take guys 4th or 5th base and crawl to his main from there, go to uber high drone count on your side of theap, mostly minerals to spam spines and spores. And if any units outranges you, just joink them into your spines? I would delete this game if i would lose to this strategy xd
You should try to make some templars and hit them with fungal+storm, that sounds funny. They'd take so much storm damage because the slow from fungal
What if you neural an SCV right before it finishes building a CC… does it become your CC or does it just stop building?
you could imprison scouting probe in your base, keep it alive and then later neuro it
This may be a dumb idea but what if in ZvZ you drop infestors and use neural on the drones to make 2-4 spines
"we'll do another triple nydus here..."
lol marc.
I was just thinking that this strategy with all the nydus popping up from underground and the infestor fungals to slowly kill the enemy along with mindcontrol neurals, is so cool and very much Zerg like in spirit. But because its not meta its "boring". Tbh i think that guy was just a bit salty xD
can u neural a drone and build? what happens to the building? is it yours or theirs? what happens if u cancel? is the drone theirs?
Neural drones and have them make spines in the enemy main. I mean, okay it's less efficient than just fungalling all the drones, but the style points!
that is insane!! I had no idea that If you build something with an infested unit you can control them!!
Neural Parasite --> overload load --> fly home to base --> Neural Parasite
Doesn't work. You can't load temporary or neuraled units into a transport, or into a nydus for that matter. Protoss can't load hallucinated units either.
Usually I don't care about this stuff, but that first game really felt like you are toying with your food too much. It felt like BM to be honest, but WasheeWashee should have left ages ago, the game was over. Fun experiment getting a worker to your main :)
The 4festor hit squat is back
Can you use nydus to bring probe to base? If not, maybe overlord can transport it?
A strat I ahve never tried is in a co-op game, a mass infestor mind control, and hten your friend recalls the neuro parasited. I know the enemy can't recall the units but can an allied, thne you can make a defense zone taht dobules for a kill zone, lol
you mean the 4 infestor hit squad ?? I remember that from the Destiny WOL days
What would happen if you neural a probe, then load it in a dropper lord?
Wondering if the next zerg challenge you can play zerg like in brood war