A Look at the Lyman Brass Smith powder measure - Detailed! Pros and Cons.
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- #Lyman After using the Lyman Brass Smith powder measure for around a year, its time to share my observations, thoughts and tips. Its a little long but hopefully informative. Thanks for watching!
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This is the template that all equipment reviews should follow and aspire to be. Awesome video
What a nice comment, thank you!
Good thorough review, I like how he used for a year before reviewing
Wow! Another great video from TTF!! Excellent job, Flyer. I did a video on mine back in the day, but basically just cleaning the factory oil out. You’re amazing! Attention to detail unsurpassed. Thanks Brother!
What a nice thing to say sir, thank you! I really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment. Its been a while now but Im pretty sure you were one of the guys that made me want this PM from your video. Thanks again for watching.
Great video thanks. With the brass thumb screw instead of jacking it down with pliers install a O ring on the thread and just tighten by hand. The O ring will act like a spring washer.
The issues are solvable, Teflon tape on the threads works too. I raise issues like this on reviews so viewers are aware of short comings in products. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the awesome detailed review. I now throw the most accurate loads with my Brass Smith thanks to your tips. Well done, great job.
Hey that's great to hear, glad I could be of help.
Excellent! The most thorough review that I have seen in a long while. You got into all the nooks and crannies, literally. New subscriber today. Now I am looking forward to exploring your other videos :-)
Welcome aboard! Thanks for the sub. I hope you find more that's useful. Check out the channel o Rumble too.
One of the best reviews l've
ever seen . One thing i like to with most of my reloading tools is polish. I would polish with 1000 grit sand paper the internals where the 0 ring rides. May need to break the edges on the metering tube and where it meets in the drum. Same with the internal of the drop tube . No catch points for powder allowed. Powders like IMR 3031 WILL BRIDGE OR LOG JAM in 22 cal drop tubes.
Its a good idea to use some 500-1000 grit to polish the inside of the tube for smooth operation. To be clear, one of the problems in this is the inside mating corners of the cylinder and the extension tube have the corner edges broken leaves a v shaped notch that catches powder and the plunger O ring. It would be better if the corners were never broken then honed to match. Glad you liked the review and thanks for commenting.
TTF: Thank you for this awesome review. This was thorough, detailed, and was full of "this is how it really is" compared to a theory. I would have gladly paid $$ to view this one. You have convinced me as I was wavering on the purchase trigger. Bang.
So glad you liked it. It got longer than I intended. Lol
Great review, glad I found you! Recently purchased and had a few issues. Think I’ve figured it out with your help. Thanks for the tip on the graphic lube!
Glad you got some use from it. Thanks for watching!
I just got one for Xmas and this video cleared up all the questions I had. Thanks
Glad I could help!
Great review as usual Treetop! That's the exact powder measure I selected after getting your custom rack for my turret press. It's done a great job so far loading .45 acp, .223 and soon .357/38 Special for my new Henry Big Boy! Thanks for all you do for the reloading community.
That's awesome, I hope you like using the powder stand too. Thanks for the kind words and thanks for watching.
I prefer reviews where people actually wait a year to review the product, everything else I consider a presentation, great video and review 👍👍
There is really nothing like taking the time to explore a product. My initial impressions changed quite a bit over time. I really like GavinTube Ultimate reloader because he shows so much cool stuff. Seems like a nice guy, but Ive never heard him point out problems with a product and I dont find that to be very credible.
@@TreeTopFlier I agree 100%, that why i watch those with grain of salt, but give much more credibility to guys like you good sir, you seem to just put the facts and truth out there and I really appreciate that
@@deadhorse3389 I dont make a lot of these but when I do, I try to be honest, fair but still positive. I am aware that I am an amateur and I am talking about a product that may represent peoples lively hood. Thanks for your kind words.
I subscribed to your channel because of the great detail you display. Thank you
Thank you, very kind of you to say. Its funny doing this stuff and finding balance. The next commenter will say "You talk too much" LOL. Thanks for watching.
Very nice video! I bought one a few months ago and absolutely love this measure. I’ve only loaded about 500 .25-20’s and have never experienced the little brass screw loosening up. Was a little worried about it possibly becoming loose as it’s such a tiny screw. The drops are amazingly consistent even with IMR 4198 stick powder. The H110 and 2400 drop right on every time!
Hey that's great. It's a fine little measure. Tends to be my go to.
Ditto on the Lyman Brass Smith stuff. I'm new and haven't actually gotten up and running. Been collecting brass for over a year now, and reading and watching RUclips videos trying to learn all I can, and figure out what tools and equipment I like best. I've done a ton of research, cost comparisons, watched tons of video reviews. I started out really open minded... figured I probably like and get different items from several different manufacturers. But the more researching I did on the various tools, I started to realize almost everything I liked best was from Lyman...with a few Frankford Arsenal items (like their hand deprimer, hand primer, wet tumbler, maybe the Intellidropper someday, tho I think I prefer the Lyman Gen6) I got the FA Mpress coax (cuz it was on sale for a good price) but what I really want is the Brass Smith All-American 8 turret. I've gone with Lee dies...38/357, 9mm, .223 and .300blk so far. Have enjoyed your other videos on making .300blk...well done and very informative...thank you...
I have one and it makes reloading a pleasure, Your tip for emptying the measure Is fantastic. Thanks.
Hey, that's great 👍 thanks for watching!
I found a little strip of Teflon tape wrapped the brass lock nut keeps it from loosing up and backing out.
Thank you for a fabulous and thorough evaluation of the Brass Smith powder measure. I am considering buying one here in the UK, and particularly wanted to see how it was adjusted and hear your opinion on the pros and cons. Yours is the best video on this powder measure on RUclips.
Thanks for the very nice comment. I hope you get great results. I used to go to Bury St Edmunds or Newmarket with my family, almost every weekend. What a lovely country you have.
@@TreeTopFlier I guess you must've been based at one of the US airbases in East Anglia to be familiar with Bury St Edmunds and Newmarket, am I correct?
I live and shoot in Cheshire, and have been reloading rifle and pistol calibres for 40 years.
I'll watch more of you reviews now, you're attention to detail is brilliant.
Best wishes.
@@geoffcurtis3276 Thank you. I was at Mildenhall. Miss the ultra green fields and beer, but not the rain. Really enjoyed the British people.
Great video and good tips! I'll be using some of these with mine. One thing I do is throw and dump 20 charges to settle everything. Then I throw and measure 10 individual loads to get a feel for dispersion. Finally, if I'm charging straight from the measure, I throw a batch of 10 charges and weigh that to fine set the measure. That averages averages everything out around my chosen load. Trickling, I just set to the high side of the dispersion so most throw short and a few are spot on. Also, you could grind that set screw into a T so you don't need the pliers. Just a thought.
I thought about doing the 10 throw total for the video. Like use 10 grains and 10 throws and see how close you get to 100 but I thought it would confuse some folks. But your right, that is a way to get the best fine adjustment when trying to land in the mid point of the dispersion. Thanks, for watching!
Because of this review I went and got one. Loading 223 with adi ar2206 it measured accurately I did 10 drops with about .1 gn different. Measuring
Thanks
Mate!
Thats great to hear. Its still one of my go to for measures, and I have several.
Excellent review
Glad you liked it!
Thanks for the info!
Hope it was useful...thanks for watching!
@23:20 A common problem with Lyman products ---- screws working themselves loose. Used Lyman gear almost exclusively for twenty years & was pleased with low volume rifle rounds. Afterwards, high volume handgun rounds exposed a LOT of flaws with powder measure, case trimmer, handgun expander dies. And my two T-Mag presses spilled as many spent primers as they caught. The exceptions were a dial caliper, which I still use as a backup; and a magnetic scale that finally wore out. My advice concerning Lyman products is to avoid them. I use mostly Hornady gear but RCBS, etc., are probably just as good.
Good real world feedback!
I'm here for the PM review.. but man i want one of those arms.. something slightly different.. you got me trying to design one in my head so I can use the same PM over different presses mounted to the same place lol...
Good day my name Uynes Gysman of South Africa I am a reloader myself for 35y year's I do like your VIDEOS it's better than most other reloading VIDEOS your explaining to details very good from what part of the world are you let me know and keep up the good reloading VIDEOS
Im born and raised in the United States of America
I have the same one and all the same annoyances. I can't get SW tactical rifle to meter accurate. I've had as much as .4 of grain difference, which is a big deal when load at the top end of the load data. I find it sucks with extruded powder,cutting N 140 and Varget. I went back to the Lee perfect powder measure .it handles extruded powder better than anything on the market and does great with fine powder also always within a .1 . It does leak a very small amount on fine powder but I'll take that over inaccurate drops. Thank you for the great video
I have lots of drum powder measures. The Lyman is as good as the others with a wider range in one drum. The Lee perfect powder measure is awesome and reliably accurate with stick powders. Best money in reloading by far...
I overcame the small hopper capacity by buying an additional hopper ($4 from Lyman, I actually did all 4 of these that I use) and gel superglued the hoppers together for double capacity. No leaks and works great.
That'll work! $4 is cheap enough. they should probably just make a larger one as an accessory.
Thanks for the comprehensive review, I am looking for another powder dispenser dedicated to handguns. This Lyman may fill the bill, I like Lyman products.
Its a great measure. I have 4 and this is the one I tend to grab every time for all jobs.
@@TreeTopFlier I think the Lyman moved to the top of my list. Thanks
**SENT YOU a PM** Have made that little cut-off saw adjustable.
Ok , I bought the all steel Uniflow 3 from RCBS , it is in shipment at the moment because of that beveled edge machined in the Drum on the Brass Smith.
Glad this video seemed to help you make a decision on which way to go. Cant go wrong with a Uniflow.
@TreeTopFlier I'm still going to get the Lyman Brass Smith. I'm thinking of a way to correct the bevel in the drum. It is the same basic design as the RCBS , Redding, and Hornady. Maybe a Brass lapping rod or square ended drill. Can't damage the threads and bore of the drum. A seamless transition that does not trap powder is what is needed.
Great video 👍👍, you mentioned this was your favorite at the moment. What qualities does this measure have that put it above the Lee product? Thanks.
Hi, just saw your comment. In general, I like this powder measure for fine powders, ball powders etc. I like the Lee Perfect powder measure for "stick" powders. It has neoprene wiper to wipe off the metering chamber and never cuts grains. I dont think PMs are one size fits all.
Thank you for the great review TTF! I've had one now for a few months but haven't used it yet. Do you think pre-treating the locking screw with some Loctite, will give it that little extra to stay in place?
Putting some non permanent, locktite might help. Honestly, I dont mind using a pair of pliers since I have been a mechanic my whole life and have a pretty good "feel" in my hands for things like that. I just made a point of it in the video because not everyone is measured and I didnt want someone to damage their measure because of what I pointed out in a video. Thanks for watching.
Sniper Bill I just put a little plumbers white Teflon tread tape on the brass screw threads and it seems to stay in place for me. Awesome powder measure.👍
Great, great review and pretty timely for me. Right now my Lee Auto Drum works amazing with Titegroup for my pistol loads. But looking for a powder drop that can come close for rifle loads that I can then quickly trickle up on a balance scale. I know. But that's how I roll. So have been going back and forth between the Lee Deluxe Perfect Powder Measure and this Lyman number. For my use close is all I need... but consistently close. The H4350 and IMR 4064 I'm currently using are definitely sticks. Do you have a suggestion? As always thanks for all these incredibly useful posts.
I dont think there is one size fits all in powder measures. I like the Lee design, including the Lee Perfect Powder measure, for stick powders. I haven't used the classic (fortune cookie 45LC did a review) but they are similar in design. The Lee offerings leak fine powders. The drum powder measures are champs with fine powders but cut grains making them jerky and sometimes inaccurate. If you want to charge rifle stick powder and trickle up to the desired load, a plain old Lee Perfect Powder measure would surprise you, its the best $25 in reloading. Im rambling, but to answer your original question, for the powder you mentioned I might give the edge to the Lee Classic because of the design. Again, I havent used it. My guess is you could set it for the desired load, go with the spot on's, pitch the highs and trickle the lows. Thanks for watching and thanks for staying with me on this journey.
@@TreeTopFlier Hey thanks so much for the detailed response. Perfect Powder Measure sounds perfect for what I'm looking for.... and the price is right !
@240FP Thanks... I use the Auto Drum Powder Measure on my turret press for my pistol loads and I agree it really is amazing, especially with the Titegroup and CFE I tend to use. But I want to dump into a pan I can place on my beam scale and be close enough to just trickle a little to the weight. So while I understand the Perfect Powder Measure is probably not as accurate, I think it will do what I want. And I love that 20 dollar price.... ok 30 with shipping.
Very well done video, but why don't you make the adjustments while the drum is in the throw position ? It would then have no pressure on it.
Thanks! As for the position when adjusting... Mostly I'm doing what is most comfortable... raising to the throw position to adjust isn't wrong and may have some utility but its also awkward. Understanding your going to toss several of the first throws after and adjustment anyway, not sure its that useful. What is important, is to be consistent with your technic for consistency in your throws. Thanks for watching!
Could you make a comparison video with the RCBS COMPETITION POWDER MEASURE, test which works best, price, economic, etc
Sorry, I would have to buy the RCBS to make a comparison but I may still be able to help. First, these style powder measures work very similarly so the accuracy is also very similar. They all have a powder baffle that keeps downward pressure on the filling chamber constant. They all use a rotary drum with an adjustable metering rod to set the throw and change the volume of the metering chamber. The RCBS is a very nice tool but if you do your part with the Lyman, I doubt you will get much better accuracy. As stated in the video, the Lyman has an innovative metering style that lets one drum do the full range of powder throws, while the RCBS has to have two drums to cover the same range (pistol & rifle) So the cost of the RCBS for the same range is greater. Now, the RCBS comes with a micrometer style adjustment which theoretically makes it easy to return to an adjustment from a previous load session. Very nice option. The Lyman adjustment is much more crude. Once they are both set and locked in the results would likely be the same. If you get the RCBS as a combo (ships with both pistol and rifle drums) its about 3 times as much. Finally if your goal is to get great powder throws on a budget I would go with the Lyman. If you want great throws with the enjoyment and feel of fine machining and aesthetics where price is less of a concern then the RCBS may be a great choice. Using finely crafted tools has an enjoyment value all to itself even if the end results are similar. Hope this helps.
That black swivel stand......where did you get that? That is so handy for moving the powder measure out of the way and still keeping it on the bench.
It's home made, I sold a few years ago but it got way out of hand. And I had to stop. They are pretty awesome.
At 8:03 do you lubricate the outside parts of the hornady if so what did you use?. Some people use graphite on the inside. Wondering if you could use that on outside as well. Thanks!
I do lubricate them. I have been using Hornady oneshot gun cleaner (not case lube) It's a dry film that reduces friction but also prevents rust. I use it on the outer drum, adjusting screws and knurled parts to prevent surface rust. Hornady recommends it for internals as well but I had horrible luck with it. I use only graphite on the internal parts that come in contact with the powder. I wouldnt use graphite for the externals because it looks sloppy. Thanks for watching
@@TreeTopFlier Thanks keep it up!
Harrell powder measures are the best but cost 5x more..... but they cut stick powder so much easier....
Hey treetop does this unit leak with fine powders such as AA#9 or W296/H110? The price point is what's grabbing me but can't justify replacing my leaking lee if it leaks.
I replaced a lee Perfect powder measure with a hornady several years ago. The Hornady looks very similar to this lyman. I have not had any leaks with AA5, 7, 9 or H110. It does cut stick sometimes. Dispenses consistently within +/-.1 of grain. For the hornady i would recommend the addition of a pistol drum for cases smaller than 44 magnum, and the drain insert to easily empty the hopper. This lyman looks good but from what i saw the hornady might be easier to switch drums and have better metering inserts. Although it is 2x the price.
Great review there big fella . I just bought myself a Lyman Brass Smith powder measure . Do you think I might be able to use Hornady One Shot to flush out and clean this powder measure? I note that in Hornady’s instructional video they recommend and use the Hornady One Shot spray lube on their powder measure. Greetings from Australia.
I'm sorry, I thought I replied to you. I do not like Hornady One shot for any area that comes in contact with powder. I have found that fine powders stick to One Shot so its a hard pass for me. I like spray on liquid graphite. It dries static free and really improves performance. I apply it to everything from the metering chamber to the case, including the powder through/expanding die. Sorry again for the late reply.
@@TreeTopFlier No worries man . Copy that , Great advice. . Thanks.
I can't trust a powder measure, be it a manual one or press mounted. I always trickle up. Then again, I'm not mass loading lots of rounds. However, hand dipping then trickling up is a bit slower than I want to go. Looking at powder measures and I think after this video, I've decided on the Lyman brass smith. I think it's pros outweigh the cons. Using the thimble to get the plunger past the machined bevel is easy enough. The brass screw coming loose can be fixed easy enough. The weight range is perfect (no need to spend extra to get more parts). It's plenty consistent enough to dial in a load at .2 less than target then trickle it up. That should speed things up a bit. I built my own vibrating trickler from scratch for about a 10th what Dandy wants for the Omega 2, so between the Lyman and that, charging cases will go much faster.
Excellent review. Do you think you will get any of the other brass Smith products?
Man thats a tough one. I already have 5 presses, but I would be lying if I didnt say I wanted the 8 hole turret. This may be an itch I will have to scratch LOL.
TreeTopFlier cool. Was asking as I am debating getting the 8 station reloading kit. If the press is good I think the kit offers a great value
@@setafavn I agree... I see a lot of guys recommending against getting kits and just hand picking exactly what you want. Initially I kinda leaned that way too...but the Lyman All-American 8 kit has everything I want anyway. I do wish it included the new Brass Smith trickler tho instead of the generic little one shown in the picture...
It's on my get list...
I am looking to get one of the power stands but cant find out how, can you help me. thankyou great video.
Here is a video that can give you more info about the stand ruclips.net/video/p9IttaJGv4Y/видео.html email me at TreeTopTube@aol.com, I can give you the run down. Also for photos, search instagram for #TTFpowderstand. Thanks for watching.
Amazon for $24 Lyman 7767788 Brass Smith Powder Measure Stand
Isn't that RCBS made by cast iron not machined ?
the biggest change is the powder holder is half the height as others and if you have say a Hornady powder holder like me you should have realized you must keep the powder more than half full to get consistent load weights. If my Hornady is never below half ways my loads are always bang on or at most + 0.01 more which I can live with that shooting a 223 @ 200 yds.
I just loaded 40 rds. and 30 were 25.2gr. and 10 were 25.3gr.That I can live with :)
The RCBS as well as others is cast AND machined. I tend to use the larger PM's for larger cartridges too. The lyman is great for smaller ones like 223 and 300 blk.
how does this one compares to the lee perfect powder measure, or lee deluxe, ( ignore the price tag )
The Lee perfect powder measure is awesome and probably at or near the best at long stick powders. I wouldnt buy the deluxe, it is functionally just the same powder measure as the PPM...maybe better adjustments but mostly just less plastic for people who are bothered by plastic parts. The Lyman is very good and kinda my go too because it just works and its easy to use. The major advantage the Lyman has over all the Lee powder measuring devices is it doesn't leak really fine powders like the Lee measures do. Fine powders migrate out of the cone shaped drum on Lee, a design flaw for only these type powders. The vast majority work just fine. Hope this helps.
What do you use to clean your grease off the brand new powder measure?
I like acetone, brake cleaner, carb cleaner or alcohol. Careful of painted surfaces, plastic or rubber parts.
How about using silicone spray instead of graphite grease?
Havent tried it. If I was going to try it I would probably put some on a screwdriver or something like that and dip it in powder to see if a fine powder sticks via static. The graphite is good because it resists static cling.
If you have the RCBS and the hornady why thin one ?
I had the Hornady first then decided to get the Lyman. Later someone gave me an older RCBS from an estate. I dont need that many but sometimes its nice to leave them set for a certain job.
Nice video. Ball powder best to overcome the meter rod o ring jamming?
Thanks
Andrew Nz
I would say ball powder is easiest to work with but mostly it isnt a problem. I have never found a load that caused me to struggle with that area of the plunger travel.
@@TreeTopFlier Hi there,
Thankyou kindly for your reply. I believe Winchester star ball HD temp stable is the way of the future for power measure machines achieving accuracy with low grief for new bees like me.
Recoil is my next mission after buying the lyman .The Falcon strike oil recoil pad looks good for my 300 win mag 15 pound rifle with 175 grain mono lithic copper hybrid projectiles tumbled in Boron Nitride powder . Hopefully aiming for 11 pounds recoil max after medical diagnosis.
Andrew Nz
@Andrew Crawford Yea, those big boys will knock your retinas loose. I shoot for fun so I stick to smaller cartridges or reduce the loads in the ww2 guns. Thanks for commenting!
@@TreeTopFlier Ok thanks mate.
Gods speed.
so which powder measure is best Lyman Hornady or rcbs
They are really the same because for the most part they function the same way. Its my opinion that the Lyman is probably the best value in part, because you dont need to buy different drums to change volume. Some seem to work better with different powder types.
Hi, would you tell me what is the name of your digital scale,?and do you recommend it thank you
It's the Lyman 1500 micro touch. Mine is a few years old and still works great so yes I would recommend.
@@TreeTopFlier thank you
Can you mount that on the turit? Wouldn't that save a move?
The threads are the same as the turret so that part would work. There would probably be some clearance issues with the other dies, not sure. The real issue is the added weight on the turret and drive system. These are heavier than the auto drum powder measure.
@@TreeTopFlier thank you for your imfo
Do you still use this powder measure to this day? If so how has your thoughts and impressions changed?
Yes, I still use it. I leave it set up for H110 which is a very fine powder. Nothing has changed from what you see in this video for me.
Awesome to hear. Thank you very much for the reply. I have one last question as I'm looking to buy a new powder measure. In your opinion which is better, the Hornady or the Lyman powder measure? @@TreeTopFlier
Honestly, they are both great. The Hornady requires the purchase of a second drum to cover pistol charges where the lyman covers both with one drum. So, the Lyman is probably better value. If I was going to only charge large magnums I would favor the hornady. Hope that helps.
Thank you@@TreeTopFlier
@TTF how do I get one of those stands?
Im sorry, I have taken a break from making these. Not sure when I will crank back up. I never dreamed these would be so popular. Hundreds later, I just cant keep up with the demand. I have stopped before and then restarted when life settles down. I always look back to see who requested them and try to make contact. Thanks for your interest.
I was scouring the comments to see where that mount came from, great idea.. throw a patent on that bad boy! If you start back up again I hope you find my comment and hit me up!!! Great review btw
I would be a buyer for one.
Buy an O ring kit.
ok