To be... As fair as possible, there was a... Quite bad study that was published that included that speculation, and the news ran with it briefly. Granted, 30 seconds of research will tell you that it's nonsense and the people who made the study completely screwed up, but it's... A stronger basis than a lot of the things I've seen Rogan mention...
@@blade92371 so just because he is physicist means he has no expertise in biology? Is he somehow banned from being able to educate himself in a different field?
@@rickyj1250that wasn’t condescending whatsoever 💀 He even explained how it could’ve happened and how he understands how people got to that conclusion at the start, and then he explained that it just isn’t due to their biology No matter how you listen to that explanation you shouldn’t be offended 💀💀
Brian is just one of the few non shouty leftists who dislike having other people's ideas differ from his. Joe never mentioned who the scientists were that had a different theory, but he still allowed Brian to speak over him. Brian is called out for being wrong quite regularly, but it's seldom advertised. A bit like crap doctors still allowed to practice. Brian just doesn't tend to scream at people as does Neil deGrasse Tyson.
@@rickyj1250 Your statement suggests that you have a fear of looking stupid so whenever someone is speaking of something that they’re knowledgeable about, you take offence.
They would be if you were in the Buckingham Centre for Astrobiology, yeah. At least one of the 33 scientists that co-authored the paper. The paper is "Cause of Cambrian Explosion - Terrestrial or Cosmic?", from Progress in Biophysics and Molecular Biology Volume 136 , August 2018. Saying it's 'octopi' instead of 'all life' is wrong and reductive, though. Hoyle-Wickramasinghe and cosmic biology are very niche but are not new.
@@anniemay555interesting. But those scientists are either ignoring the mountains of evidence suggesting octopus are Earth animals, or they're grifting for money
@@natehubbard5062yeah, and when he was told facts such as octopi being biologically very similar to other Earth life, he stuck to his guns of “but I think they look weird so must be an alien”
I remember watching something about this and it was "official" in the way that it was a TV Team doing a real report talking with researchers about how strange it is that the 8 arms can do their own stuff and are not really controlled by the octopus itself. They are super smart but die after like 1 year or after they had babys... that was what they claimed as the reason why they dont rule the world, because they only come together to reproduce, but after that their life kinda ends and the new babys have no teacher and have to learn anything from zero. Makes them great quick 1 year old thinkers... but no culture and tech can form like this. Now i start to wonder about the IQ of a crab, but i think they are not good enoth hunters to get the food to become smart.
That's not what he's referring to or even said. There's a big difference between something looking alien and actually being alien. He was simply referring to its looks, not it's origin.
@@blade92371 Being scientifically literate in general opens your mind to all fields of study, it's very common for the brightest minds in our societies to dabble. Smart people are curious people.
@@errvega2705I wonder how similar the heart of an octopus is compared to the heart of a human, but what do I know? I just play world of Warcraft for 16 hours Straight
Yeah conspiracy theories dont die. Even after hearing this explanation or even given evidence that the theory is wrong, it wont change peoples mind. Even Joe went "Although STILL alien". Like he heard everything this guy just said and still went "yeah that makes sense but its still an alien right?"
The stupidest thing about this theory is that either he believe that octopus like creature can survive on asteroid or that somehow they can have "DNA" that allows them to evolve into one such creature but isnt active in bacteria... Animal evolved in weird way but we it did in earth waters
@@m2abuser yes he did trying to push that cr@p he was even interrupted half way through a sentence watch it again like a child telling a lie, he got *SCHOOLED*
@@gdup1728 Ah yeah of course anyone who votes for the other guy is a conspiracy theorist down a rabbit hole and your side are all really smart. LOL democrats are wild.
Yes the shared dna with an octopus is low, but we still are using the same building blocks like dna. Its like if we'd said another language was alien because it differs even though it has verbs, nouns and such like.
Even by that metric we are still very closely related to octopus species at least a third of our DNA is the same. Things like plants and fungi are more alien in that regard.
Actually we share at least 60% of the same DNA with octopus. You can tell Rogan just made this up and the legitimate scientists are probably youtubers with Dr in their handle
@@GeorgeSmoke You're actually talking about genes not DNA overall, there's a subtle difference. We share 50% of our genes with bananas, but the actual genome or identical sequences are a much smaller fraction. We share 33% of our genome with octopus species and are much more closely related to them than to any plant species, very simply because we both belong to the animal kingdom.
The issue is that we can look at genetics and safely say that octopi are, indeed, mollusks that share ancestry with snails and clams and sea slugs and scallops. And then we can see we also share a very very distant common ancestor with them, just from the fact our DNA structures look similar. The fact we use deoxyribonucleic acid may not be a universal truth, other mediums might be the base for the carrying of genetic data. Yet octopi use DNA same as us
What’s more crazy to me is their intelligence. When you look at their intelligence out of their phylum Mollusca, they’re incredibly unique when compared with the number of Mollusc species. Squids and possibly Nautiluses are intelligent too but not to the same degree. The crazy thing is that we compare their intelligence to ours, which likely isn’t reliable, because our (most likely, not definite) Last Common Ancestor would’ve been a stubby worm-like creature that lived about 571-539 million years ago. And yet despite that separation, they managed to divergently evolve a staggeringly impressive level of intelligence. That’s definitely the craziest thing to me, and implies that if Earth had a different history, had a different set of catastrophes and extinctions, it’s entirely possible that another species would’ve evolved to our level of intelligence or higher and become the dominant species.
I feel like even in the hypothetical in which alien microbes were transported here millions of years ago , and eventually evolved to what is the modern octopus, do you still call that alien? to me that feels like still calling a 1000th plus generation immigrant from Poland Polish. Like whatever separates them from the rest makes up such an infinitesimally small part of them now.
Presumably a truly alien microbe would be so different from other organisms here on earth that exchange of genetic information between them would be impossible. Unless the alien species is exchanging information with other organisms somehow, it's roots should be visible today. But in spirit, it would still descendents be an animal in the ecosystem like any other. Just maybe not in fundamental biochemistry. Like, if they have mitochondria. Or generate atp the same way. Which I think is towards your point.
Well, It's not so much about how long it lived there, like one would think of an introduced species. Its more that if it were in fact alien, it would have no genetic commonality with any other living thing, or to consider that if it were alien in origin, may not even have genes at all.
Here is a scary thought, I think it is far more likely that we stumble across fossilized records of life before we ever find live examples. Considerring how easy it is for a planet to become Mars or Venus while still being in the "goldilocks zone", or even a planet like Earth to undergo multiple mass extinction events, what are the odds that something like one of those happens vs not happening in the universe. From the looks of things, we may be a lot more lucky than we realize.
I understand that this is a discussion, but some things need to be clarified here 1. Material is not regularly transferred from planet to planet naturally that is entirely incorrect. The reason that there is earth material on the moon is because the moon and the earth collided so there are parts of the moon which made up of earth and there are parts of earth, which are made up of the moon. There is no other evidence at all on any other planet or solar body of other planets material being on them. 2. The octopus is from earth we know it’s genetic lineage and it’s relatives. It’s not from space there is no evidence whatsoever of any kind that the octopus is an alien effect. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence that it is not. 3. We’re mentioning microbes. It is important for everyone to know that there has been no microbes whatsoever of any kind that have been found on anything outside earth unless it comes from earth not even a bacteria not even virus. Our solar system is lifeless outside of earth. And there is no evidence or shred of evidence that points to alien life forms the entire universe at all. In fact, our universe is so lifeless that some scientist have stated we are either the last creatures to have life in this universe or the first.
exactly we found evidence of eukaryotes that lack mitochondria and we even found a unique set of organism that have experience a third instance of endosymbiosis resulting in an organelle that can fix nitrogen
We share around 60% of our DNA with Octopi, so there are common ancestors. However there is a creature on Earth that with DNA testing we are unable to find a common ancestor, it's the comb jelly fish.
It's to protect against copyright flagging. The bottom video is easy enough for a human to ignore, but the algo can only view the short holistically, so it doesn't identify that the top part is a copyright protected podcast. This was (and still largely is) the point of the "ADHD edits" with subway surfer, it's just that admitting you're doing something to circumvent YT's policies is a bad idea. EDIT: It also helps with screen resolution differences, eg the podcast being filmed for wide and shorts being tall. By cutting out the bottom you can get a 'wider' view of the top - so why not fill it with something that ALSO protects against flagging, instead of a black box or something?
Idk man, but what I do know is that my phone's battery is losing more and more health and this will be my last smart phone I'm going back to cell phones with physical buttons, I don't need this brain rot in my life
Every group of living being is put into a class of earth beings and they share key differences but alot of similarities Eg - Octopus is a part of the Mollusca Class in the Invertebrates Class which is in the Kingdom Animalia And Mushrooms are part of the Kingdom Fungi so not that alien
@@StantionJeremybecause all organisms of a certain type (species, genus, class, family, kingdom, etc) share some common ancestor; the larger group you look at, the further back the common ancestor was. For example, humans and chimpanzees (like cousins) split from a type of ape that looks similar to today's gibbons (like a grandmother giving birth to multiple lineages). Similar to how you will always be related to your biological family, an organism can't become part of a new class, making all humans still a type of ape and all birds still types of dinosaurs.
@@StantionJeremy yes, that is one of the adaptations we made and chimpanzees didn't. The reason is that we had clothing and fire to protect from the cold when needed, so a coat of fur would prevent us from migrating into hotter regions and is therefore not evolutionarily beneficial to have (except for around the extremities like the head and genitals, which are colder because they are further from the heart). Chimpanzees only populate the rainforests of Africa so fur is not a problem for them
@@TheMissiIe He's the sort of impressionable guy that believes a lot of what he hears. He's so successful because he's so good at picking out the most interesting people in society. Brian Cox, Elon Must, Niel Tyson, hell even Terrance Howard. Joe's a sponge, and he's kinda loveable for it.
@@winters4147 he's lovable to people who don't understand reality. People will listen to Joe without questioning anything, unless Joe questions something. He has millions of worshippers who act like his word is gospel. Joe is too dumb to question Graham Hancock, so people think Graham is absolutely correct about Atlantis. When in reality, Graham is laughed at by geologists because he's an idiot. Joe's podcast is dangerous because it teaches his zealots that it's ok to not trust science. Not trusting science has literally led to the deaths of millions of people over the last 100 years. Just look at covid, people didn't take the vaccine because Joe's idiot guests told them not to, and people died
It’s like someone thinking the number 34 is very different from the number 17645. When really they are basically the same number compared to the number 97728472818372
If i remember correctly, the idea wasnt that Octopi 'eggs' came from space. It was microscopic organisms like Brian was saying had travelled, most likely by asteroid impact, and the various species of Octopus(and other similar species) evolved from that. Pretty sure that idea went out when the Octopus DNA was mapped back in 2015 and confirmed a split from squids(which we also know are from earth) 135 million years ago, give or take.
All the comments on here talking about, whatever those two guys are saying. I'm here wondering how they compensated for the thermal contraction of the metal when they used an actual phone to make their drag. That casting is going to be smaller than the phone they're trying to make cases for.
When will someone devise a TV show where actual geniuses just debunk stupid conspiracy theories, over and over? The Idiocracy is getting stronger every day.
So they’re a something called economics, and RUclips provides all these types of videos a show would likely never happen on tv, if you do anything stem for at least 2 years you have a bs detector
Probably won't happen. Conspiracy theories sell far better. Much easier to sell too. People don't want to know facts; people want to feel like they're special and smarter than everyone else by knowing the 'real' 'facts.'
He got this one from a scientific based background. I'm honestly surprised this theory is news to anyone, a while ago it was front page news. It's a fringe theory few subscribe too, but very real.
@@stTrooper-nf9dhit absolutely isn’t real at all. It’s just non zoologist speculating in an “article” to get clicks for ad revenue. And uneducated people eat it up and spread it. A legit theory requires actual evidence, not just “it looks so strange”
Octopi have 10,000 more genes than humans do. Their DNA is so different than any other life on Earth that they could well be extraterrestrial. Their genetics are very different than even other mollusks. They can edit their genes in ways no other life form can. They have hundreds of genes that don't appear in any other animal. Their genetic map is totally unlike any other animal. They are unique among life on Earth. Cox is intelligent for sure, but he's a physicist and a musician, not a biologist or geneticist.
their genetics is closely shared with other cephalopods and cephalopods have been around fare longer than any terrestrial life on earth, and well much of the marine life as well. So if you want to argue that octopi had an alien ancestor, then said alien has evolved to live life on earth for so long its basically has more claim to call earth its home than we do.
@@rendratvandonkereschrijver2912 Not saying they are extraterrestrial for sure, just that the genetics are so different that it is not out of the question. And if they are, well I wouldn't say they have more claim but just as much of a claim. But yes, after enough time passes, it doesn't really matter. And for all we know, other life, or even all life on Earth could have origins somewhere else. Life has been around for so long, how would we really know?
10k more genes doesnt sound like alot, espicially when plants can have millions more genes. i think we have roughly 20k genes so 30k genes isnt anything unusual amongst water species. Biologist just need headlines for funding so saying shit like this gets funding but has very little truth to it. As we sequence more species these rare genes will probably become more common.
The fact that they are similar to us is a fair point but if the planet we live on now is a life sustaining planet does that mean that other planets with the same properties of our own planet have similar beings to us? And maybe they could be a bit different in looks and dna due to changes in ecosystem, climate or habitat?
I thought I’ve heard that like 90% of octopus dna is very different from anything on earth and that’s why the theories of them being from space started. If so, they’re not very similar to us at all lmao
The problem with panspermia is that it doesn't answer the question of how life started it just moves it somewhere else. As such for serious consideration is kind of irrelevant
On a genetic level. Technically, 60% of the human genome is identical to that of a Banana. The biological processes that keep an Octopus alive are the same that keep just about any other creature alive. Sure, Octopi are amazing, and are highly specialized and adapted in a spectacular, and breathtaking way, but the fundamental building blocks are the same as any other creature.
I watched a video where an octopus was expressing gratitude for saving its life to a family walking along the beach the day after they saved it. Gratitude. They're not so different from us
So... just to clarify something, given the origins of the moon, yes, we've found Earth Rocks on the Moon. That's because something smacked into the early Earth, and a lot of material got launched and formed the moon. The moon IS AN EARTH ROCK.
Only a chap with a truly scientific brain would say octopus with their 9 brains and 8 arms are very similar to us. But as he says biologically technically they are.
Some scientists speculate that octopuses might have originated from another planet due to their highly complex nervous system, distributed intelligence across their arms, rapid evolutionary adaptations, and unique genetic makeup which appears quite different from other Earth creatures, leading to theories that they could be a result of "panspermia" - the idea that life on Earth could have been seeded by extraterrestrial organisms arriving via meteorites or comets.
Grammatically speaking, the plural for octopus is ‘Octopuses’. Octopus is Greek derivative and using ‘Pi’ is Latin plural, there for making it incorrect
It would be a good idea for a movie But obviously its very unlikely.... It might "look weird" but that does not mean its an alien There are many species that look weird especially in the ocean
Why am I watching a discussion about octopusses being aliens and some mobile phone case manufacture at the same time? What's the point of this video again?!
Some ppl dont seem to understand the part about the similarities. Its like a painting. If you would give totally different artists the task to draw a lion, you would have many lions, but some in comic style, some realistic, some more expressive. But you could see their are different creators. So even if one picture shows a lion and one an octopus, you would recognize the artist by his style. 8arms, long eyes, wings and so on might look very different but in the end they all follow the same construction. Whatever e creator from out of this would would create, you always see that he uses totally different tecniques and methods.
They wont survive and meteor or meteor impact great survivors can survive in space but were talking about somethinv hitting the earth with mire force than 100s of nuclear bombs .
@@theangrygamer1232 true they might burn up in the explosion. But water bears have been proven to survive both in the vacuum of space and re-entry with relative ease. Nasa sent a couple test tubes of them into space to see what happens. But yeah the explosion would probably kill them.
i get why somebody would think this at first glance but life on another planet is completely built up from the ground, basic things in all animals on earth like cell structure and the organelles therein would look and work entirely different, even if the climate is identical to earth thanks to the sheer randomness of evolution
The conundrum is that they have evolved in ways that are shocking. Though they have eyes, they only see in black and white. The colors and textures they take on when camouflaging themselves is "registered" and then copied, by one of their three distinct and amazing layers of skin. I heard one disturbing observation about them. Because they are solitary creatures, they don't raise and teach their young. But, with their intelligence, if they did, they would have quickly become the planet's apex predator and might have even managed to leave the water, a long, long, long time ago, like before there were trees, birds or mammals.
My brain tells me. When the world was smaller, maybe all of the original earth was from out of space, graverty pulled it all in, but as it got bigger, graverty got weaker. Maybe
"We found Earth rock on the Moon." Hmm... might have something to do with the fact that Moon and Earth are from same material. XD For those who don't know: Billions of years ago, when Earth was still red hot, a little planet about the size of Mars colided with Earth. The material the impact threw into the orbit created a ring around Earth and then united a single Moon. So quite literally, Moon is made from same material as Earth.
I feel like an octopus being so similar to us makes it more alien because its not only a different species but a different class of species being an aquatic thing
Octopi share DNA with humans and all other known animal species and therefore come from the same place we all all the others do. If Octopi are from another planet then we are all from that same other planet. Fun fact, an ancient relative of the Octopi known as ammonites sometimes grew to enormous sizes and likely were far more intelligent than humans today being that they were more than 50% by mass brains. Some had brains that weighed over fifty pounds. The octopus is quite intelligent as I have learned from personal experience. They will recognize your face, communicate, solve problems and play. And, they will go to war on occasion. The only thing I have not seen octopi do is cooperate with each other. If they ever did that we are all in trouble.
For talking about planets and the universe Brian cox second to non he knows alot i have all his dvds. And for wildlife no one better than David Attenborough.
If you tell this to chatgpt, it will say, excellent point, although it's important to consider alternative possibilities, the established scientific consensus will not be changed.
That was the most polite way to say ur wrong I've ever heard
To be... As fair as possible, there was a... Quite bad study that was published that included that speculation, and the news ran with it briefly. Granted, 30 seconds of research will tell you that it's nonsense and the people who made the study completely screwed up, but it's... A stronger basis than a lot of the things I've seen Rogan mention...
I swear I've seen an exact video like this with this same comment.
@@thaddeusgenhelm8979 but... but... they called themselves scientists so it must be legit!!!1
Rogan means well. Bless his heart.
Well he’s not an a hole like Dr. Tyson. Homie is way more down to Earth and polite. I love this dude.
'They're not though' 😂 Brian Cox doesn't tolerate such nonsense.
What like him saying we found an earth rock on the moon ,yea? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah because he's totally a biologist and not a physicist
@@blade92371 so just because he is physicist means he has no expertise in biology? Is he somehow banned from being able to educate himself in a different field?
Did yall ever watch the whole interview or do you just listen for key words.
@@blade92371well physics explains how everything interacts and works while biology just names the components.
I love how Brian can dismantle an argument in a very polite way without you feeling stupid for saying it. Such an incredible teacher
It was definitely condescending, but Joe is too dense to understand, which is why he's not offended
@@rickyj1250that wasn’t condescending whatsoever 💀
He even explained how it could’ve happened and how he understands how people got to that conclusion at the start, and then he explained that it just isn’t due to their biology
No matter how you listen to that explanation you shouldn’t be offended 💀💀
@@rickyj1250you gotta be incredibly dense to understand that wasn’t condescending and he was being extremely polite
Brian is just one of the few non shouty leftists who dislike having other people's ideas differ from his. Joe never mentioned who the scientists were that had a different theory, but he still allowed Brian to speak over him. Brian is called out for being wrong quite regularly, but it's seldom advertised. A bit like crap doctors still allowed to practice. Brian just doesn't tend to scream at people as does Neil deGrasse Tyson.
@@rickyj1250 Your statement suggests that you have a fear of looking stupid so whenever someone is speaking of something that they’re knowledgeable about, you take offence.
“…aNd ThEsE aRe LiKe LeGiTiMaTe ScIeNtIsTs…”
“Ok Joe…and these scientists…are they in the room with us right now?!?”
They would be if you were in the Buckingham Centre for Astrobiology, yeah. At least one of the 33 scientists that co-authored the paper.
The paper is "Cause of Cambrian Explosion - Terrestrial or Cosmic?", from Progress in Biophysics and Molecular Biology
Volume 136
, August 2018. Saying it's 'octopi' instead of 'all life' is wrong and reductive, though.
Hoyle-Wickramasinghe and cosmic biology are very niche but are not new.
@@anniemay555 my comment, like many other comments under this video, is meant to be a joke. I promise it’s not that serious 😂
@@anniemay555interesting. But those scientists are either ignoring the mountains of evidence suggesting octopus are Earth animals, or they're grifting for money
If I need to bring out a Ouiji board and some candles to talk to scientists, I will.
Are you the legitmate scientists joe?
I just love the simple "you're not wrong because its impossible or far fetched, you're just wrong cause its not true"
Rogan missing the point as much as he misses a punchline
Basically, Rogan isn't smart.
@@WootTootZoot well done you understood the subtext of my comment!
He also believed in Terrence Howard, the guy who thinks that 1 x 1 = 2
No one cares
Howard has some crazy ideas about geometry though. You cant deny that@@jm_r245
Joe thinks he is onto something, but he just thinks that a octopus looks like what an alien in his mind would like.
no, joe heard a theory he wanted to bring up and was asking questions about it
@@natehubbard5062yeah, and when he was told facts such as octopi being biologically very similar to other Earth life, he stuck to his guns of “but I think they look weird so must be an alien”
Every person who's ever drawn an alien had seen an octopus before that.
@@jjanglesandfriendshe said looks very alien at the end, not is very alien. Yall always find stupid stuff to nitpick at. How boring is your life. 😂
@@coachtaewherbalife8817 not exactly an “alien” but good example is Hive from Marvel, dude’s head basically looks like an octopus on a human body
"Octupus are alien, because tentacles are alieny"
- Joe Rogan, Maybe
Also, the head looks like aliens 👽 shown in the movies
I remember watching something about this and it was "official" in the way that it was a TV Team doing a real report talking with researchers about how strange it is that the 8 arms can do their own stuff and are not really controlled by the octopus itself. They are super smart but die after like 1 year or after they had babys... that was what they claimed as the reason why they dont rule the world, because they only come together to reproduce, but after that their life kinda ends and the new babys have no teacher and have to learn anything from zero. Makes them great quick 1 year old thinkers... but no culture and tech can form like this. Now i start to wonder about the IQ of a crab, but i think they are not good enoth hunters to get the food to become smart.
Octopi and squids are quite alien like in many regards… when compared to mammals atleast. In the sea there are many things as odd as squids are.
That's not what he's referring to or even said. There's a big difference between something looking alien and actually being alien. He was simply referring to its looks, not it's origin.
@@brandoncruise6398 Are you kidding? He very literally was talking about them having an alien origin, watch the video again, its 1 minute.
Finally he is sitting with somone who knows what there talking about and can call him on it respectfully 😅
How does this brilliant physicis claim to be a biologist he's not he's really good at physics that's it
@@blade92371 Being scientifically literate in general opens your mind to all fields of study, it's very common for the brightest minds in our societies to dabble. Smart people are curious people.
@@blade92371 sorry what?
@@blade92371 Just because someones specialty is in one subject doesnt mean theyre incompetent in every other subject lmao
If he's the only one who knows what's he's talking about whybdobtou still watch his podcast.
Instead of discovering new things, they're overthinking simple things
Theyre not even similar. One is an escape and happy place to hide from the other. Npcs
@@errvega2705I wonder how similar the heart of an octopus is compared to the heart of a human, but what do I know? I just play world of Warcraft for 16 hours Straight
Hilarious. Another conspiracy theory bites the dust.
by your logic everything ever conceptualised was a conspiracy theory until the second it was proven correct
Not a conspiracy theory, just a theory
@@seegui1971 Is flat-earthism just a theory? Yes, a hyped FALLACIOUS theory, just like alien octopi.
By your logic everything is a conspiracy theory until it is proven, it’s not a ‘conspiracy’ it’s just a theory, theories are the basis of science
Yeah conspiracy theories dont die. Even after hearing this explanation or even given evidence that the theory is wrong, it wont change peoples mind. Even Joe went "Although STILL alien". Like he heard everything this guy just said and still went "yeah that makes sense but its still an alien right?"
Imagine having a fossil record going back 330 million years and some goofy primate whose lineage is maybe 55 million years old, calling you the alien?
Yeah bro, but now, imagine an octopus fighting a bear😂
@@eddyram4932😂😂😂😂 or, or an octopus fighting a hyena
Its a scientific paper from 2018 by people who are way more versatile in this topic than brian cox tho
The stupidest thing about this theory is that either he believe that octopus like creature can survive on asteroid or that somehow they can have "DNA" that allows them to evolve into one such creature but isnt active in bacteria... Animal evolved in weird way but we it did in earth waters
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Rogan gets schooled, should be the title
he just told him about something he heard he didn't get schooled ??
@@m2abuser yes he did
trying to push that cr@p
he was even interrupted half way through a sentence
watch it again
like a child telling a lie, he got *SCHOOLED*
well they have 9 brains..
@@m2abuser he was pushing a lie most people understand as a lie
and he was busted
to his face
and *SCHOOLED*
@@julesbower762Jesus you’re dumb lmao
There’s a difference between self proclaimed and actually qualified.
Don’t get them confused.
Brian trying to be as polite about it is so funny
His whole schtick is “sPeCuLaTiOn” 🙄
yeah, thats what science is. all starts with a speculation
yup. and now it has lead him down the right wing conspiracy rabbit hole. can’t say I’m surprised.
@@gdup1728 this wasn’t about politics. it was about science.
@@gdup1728 Ah yeah of course anyone who votes for the other guy is a conspiracy theorist down a rabbit hole and your side are all really smart. LOL democrats are wild.
@@yshyaaa a lot of right wingers are science deniers and conspiracy theorists.
Yes the shared dna with an octopus is low, but we still are using the same building blocks like dna. Its like if we'd said another language was alien because it differs even though it has verbs, nouns and such like.
Even by that metric we are still very closely related to octopus species at least a third of our DNA is the same. Things like plants and fungi are more alien in that regard.
Actually we share at least 60% of the same DNA with octopus. You can tell Rogan just made this up and the legitimate scientists are probably youtubers with Dr in their handle
@@alfredotiznado773 At least third? We have 50% same DNA with banana
@@GeorgeSmoke You're actually talking about genes not DNA overall, there's a subtle difference. We share 50% of our genes with bananas, but the actual genome or identical sequences are a much smaller fraction. We share 33% of our genome with octopus species and are much more closely related to them than to any plant species, very simply because we both belong to the animal kingdom.
@@alfredotiznado773 Interesting, didnt know that
But they were legit scientists from Mickey Mouse university
The issue is that we can look at genetics and safely say that octopi are, indeed, mollusks that share ancestry with snails and clams and sea slugs and scallops. And then we can see we also share a very very distant common ancestor with them, just from the fact our DNA structures look similar. The fact we use deoxyribonucleic acid may not be a universal truth, other mediums might be the base for the carrying of genetic data. Yet octopi use DNA same as us
What’s more crazy to me is their intelligence. When you look at their intelligence out of their phylum Mollusca, they’re incredibly unique when compared with the number of Mollusc species. Squids and possibly Nautiluses are intelligent too but not to the same degree.
The crazy thing is that we compare their intelligence to ours, which likely isn’t reliable, because our (most likely, not definite) Last Common Ancestor would’ve been a stubby worm-like creature that lived about 571-539 million years ago. And yet despite that separation, they managed to divergently evolve a staggeringly impressive level of intelligence. That’s definitely the craziest thing to me, and implies that if Earth had a different history, had a different set of catastrophes and extinctions, it’s entirely possible that another species would’ve evolved to our level of intelligence or higher and become the dominant species.
I feel like even in the hypothetical in which alien microbes were transported here millions of years ago , and eventually evolved to what is the modern octopus, do you still call that alien? to me that feels like still calling a 1000th plus generation immigrant from Poland Polish. Like whatever separates them from the rest makes up such an infinitesimally small part of them now.
Presumably a truly alien microbe would be so different from other organisms here on earth that exchange of genetic information between them would be impossible. Unless the alien species is exchanging information with other organisms somehow, it's roots should be visible today. But in spirit, it would still descendents be an animal in the ecosystem like any other. Just maybe not in fundamental biochemistry. Like, if they have mitochondria. Or generate atp the same way. Which I think is towards your point.
Right, we should build a wall around the earth. Let's keep those literal illegal aliens out.
Yes... If we're going by abiogenesis, and frankly complex evolution
@@chainedrails8696like some sort of chimerism
Well, It's not so much about how long it lived there, like one would think of an introduced species.
Its more that if it were in fact alien, it would have no genetic commonality with any other living thing, or to consider that if it were alien in origin, may not even have genes at all.
Here is a scary thought, I think it is far more likely that we stumble across fossilized records of life before we ever find live examples. Considerring how easy it is for a planet to become Mars or Venus while still being in the "goldilocks zone", or even a planet like Earth to undergo multiple mass extinction events, what are the odds that something like one of those happens vs not happening in the universe. From the looks of things, we may be a lot more lucky than we realize.
joe rogan missed the part where we never found aliens yet
Rogan: ITS A FUCKN ALIEN, SAY IT, SAY ITS AN ALIEN
I understand that this is a discussion, but some things need to be clarified here
1. Material is not regularly transferred from planet to planet naturally that is entirely incorrect. The reason that there is earth material on the moon is because the moon and the earth collided so there are parts of the moon which made up of earth and there are parts of earth, which are made up of the moon. There is no other evidence at all on any other planet or solar body of other planets material being on them.
2. The octopus is from earth we know it’s genetic lineage and it’s relatives. It’s not from space there is no evidence whatsoever of any kind that the octopus is an alien effect. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence that it is not.
3. We’re mentioning microbes. It is important for everyone to know that there has been no microbes whatsoever of any kind that have been found on anything outside earth unless it comes from earth not even a bacteria not even virus. Our solar system is lifeless outside of earth. And there is no evidence or shred of evidence that points to alien life forms the entire universe at all. In fact, our universe is so lifeless that some scientist have stated we are either the last creatures to have life in this universe or the first.
Wish I could communicate like Brian.
They have dopaminergic and serotonergic systems. Still though, they could have evolved with us and have survived predation by adaptation.
Even if you find complex life without mitochondria, it still doesn't make it alien.
exactly we found evidence of eukaryotes that lack mitochondria and we even found a unique set of organism that have experience a third instance of endosymbiosis resulting in an organelle that can fix nitrogen
he aught to have pointed out how fragile and sensitive octopus eggs are, they need constant attention and care from their mothers.
We share around 60% of our DNA with Octopi, so there are common ancestors. However there is a creature on Earth that with DNA testing we are unable to find a common ancestor, it's the comb jelly fish.
What do you mean, "legitimate"?
"Octopi are not Allen" Sounds like something an alien would say
Someone please tell me why you put two videos in one that have no context with each other?
Please tell me your ADHD culture has not gotten THIS bad.
I thought I was the only person questioning that.
It's to protect against copyright flagging. The bottom video is easy enough for a human to ignore, but the algo can only view the short holistically, so it doesn't identify that the top part is a copyright protected podcast.
This was (and still largely is) the point of the "ADHD edits" with subway surfer, it's just that admitting you're doing something to circumvent YT's policies is a bad idea.
EDIT: It also helps with screen resolution differences, eg the podcast being filmed for wide and shorts being tall. By cutting out the bottom you can get a 'wider' view of the top - so why not fill it with something that ALSO protects against flagging, instead of a black box or something?
Because it's stolen content.
Idk man, but what I do know is that my phone's battery is losing more and more health and this will be my last smart phone
I'm going back to cell phones with physical buttons, I don't need this brain rot in my life
i love how happy brian seems to discuss science
Every group of living being is put into a class of earth beings and they share key differences but alot of similarities
Eg - Octopus is a part of the Mollusca Class in the Invertebrates Class which is in the Kingdom Animalia
And Mushrooms are part of the Kingdom Fungi so not that alien
How does that correlate to their origin then
@@StantionJeremybecause all organisms of a certain type (species, genus, class, family, kingdom, etc) share some common ancestor; the larger group you look at, the further back the common ancestor was. For example, humans and chimpanzees (like cousins) split from a type of ape that looks similar to today's gibbons (like a grandmother giving birth to multiple lineages). Similar to how you will always be related to your biological family, an organism can't become part of a new class, making all humans still a type of ape and all birds still types of dinosaurs.
@@wyattk300 here's the problem with that humans lost fur
@@StantionJeremy yes, that is one of the adaptations we made and chimpanzees didn't. The reason is that we had clothing and fire to protect from the cold when needed, so a coat of fur would prevent us from migrating into hotter regions and is therefore not evolutionarily beneficial to have (except for around the extremities like the head and genitals, which are colder because they are further from the heart). Chimpanzees only populate the rainforests of Africa so fur is not a problem for them
@@wyattk300 would that mean global warming is naturally occurring then?
Honestly Joe rogan has to be the most gullible person I've ever seen kinda person who believes the moon is made from cheese
Wait untill you hear his thoughts on the pyramids lmao
@@markserncrazy how he genuinely believes psychedelics gave people access to advanced gravity altering technology.
@@TheMissiIe He's the sort of impressionable guy that believes a lot of what he hears. He's so successful because he's so good at picking out the most interesting people in society. Brian Cox, Elon Must, Niel Tyson, hell even Terrance Howard. Joe's a sponge, and he's kinda loveable for it.
@@winters4147 he's lovable to people who don't understand reality.
People will listen to Joe without questioning anything, unless Joe questions something. He has millions of worshippers who act like his word is gospel.
Joe is too dumb to question Graham Hancock, so people think Graham is absolutely correct about Atlantis. When in reality, Graham is laughed at by geologists because he's an idiot.
Joe's podcast is dangerous because it teaches his zealots that it's ok to not trust science. Not trusting science has literally led to the deaths of millions of people over the last 100 years. Just look at covid, people didn't take the vaccine because Joe's idiot guests told them not to, and people died
It’s like someone thinking the number 34 is very different from the number 17645. When really they are basically the same number compared to the number 97728472818372
But really those are all from the same building blocks. More like the difference in 34 and ♬💥👽
If i remember correctly, the idea wasnt that Octopi 'eggs' came from space. It was microscopic organisms like Brian was saying had travelled, most likely by asteroid impact, and the various species of Octopus(and other similar species) evolved from that. Pretty sure that idea went out when the Octopus DNA was mapped back in 2015 and confirmed a split from squids(which we also know are from earth) 135 million years ago, give or take.
All the comments on here talking about, whatever those two guys are saying. I'm here wondering how they compensated for the thermal contraction of the metal when they used an actual phone to make their drag. That casting is going to be smaller than the phone they're trying to make cases for.
When will someone devise a TV show where actual geniuses just debunk stupid conspiracy theories, over and over? The Idiocracy is getting stronger every day.
So they’re a something called economics, and RUclips provides all these types of videos a show would likely never happen on tv, if you do anything stem for at least 2 years you have a bs detector
The why files
Because someone would be in charge of selecting these "geniuses" and it'd be biased af.
Probably won't happen. Conspiracy theories sell far better. Much easier to sell too. People don't want to know facts; people want to feel like they're special and smarter than everyone else by knowing the 'real' 'facts.'
Brian cox looks like the happy mask salesman from zelda..
Joe doesn't get his sources fr9m scientific based backgrounds 😂😂😂
He got this one from a scientific based background. I'm honestly surprised this theory is news to anyone, a while ago it was front page news. It's a fringe theory few subscribe too, but very real.
@@stTrooper-nf9dhit absolutely isn’t real at all. It’s just non zoologist speculating in an “article” to get clicks for ad revenue. And uneducated people eat it up and spread it.
A legit theory requires actual evidence, not just “it looks so strange”
Brian cox: you’re wrong
Joe rogan: but maybe?
I love Brian cox.. wish he was our teacher/ professor when we were in school or college
Octopi have 10,000 more genes than humans do. Their DNA is so different than any other life on Earth that they could well be extraterrestrial. Their genetics are very different than even other mollusks. They can edit their genes in ways no other life form can. They have hundreds of genes that don't appear in any other animal. Their genetic map is totally unlike any other animal. They are unique among life on Earth. Cox is intelligent for sure, but he's a physicist and a musician, not a biologist or geneticist.
their genetics is closely shared with other cephalopods and cephalopods have been around fare longer than any terrestrial life on earth, and well much of the marine life as well. So if you want to argue that octopi had an alien ancestor, then said alien has evolved to live life on earth for so long its basically has more claim to call earth its home than we do.
@@rendratvandonkereschrijver2912 Not saying they are extraterrestrial for sure, just that the genetics are so different that it is not out of the question.
And if they are, well I wouldn't say they have more claim but just as much of a claim. But yes, after enough time passes, it doesn't really matter. And for all we know, other life, or even all life on Earth could have origins somewhere else. Life has been around for so long, how would we really know?
10k more genes doesnt sound like alot, espicially when plants can have millions more genes. i think we have roughly 20k genes so 30k genes isnt anything unusual amongst water species. Biologist just need headlines for funding so saying shit like this gets funding but has very little truth to it. As we sequence more species these rare genes will probably become more common.
The fact that they are similar to us is a fair point but if the planet we live on now is a life sustaining planet does that mean that other planets with the same properties of our own planet have similar beings to us? And maybe they could be a bit different in looks and dna due to changes in ecosystem, climate or habitat?
yeah i’d think they evolved in an efficient way like crabs but didn’t develop a skeleton due to feeding and hiding habits
Well than what did they evolve from? Didn't octopi just mysteriously appear on the fissil record randomly or something?
I thought I’ve heard that like 90% of octopus dna is very different from anything on earth and that’s why the theories of them being from space started. If so, they’re not very similar to us at all lmao
The problem with panspermia is that it doesn't answer the question of how life started it just moves it somewhere else. As such for serious consideration is kind of irrelevant
Octopi? wtf... It's octopuses. It's from Greek (octopodes) and not from Latin (in which case it would have been octopus/octopi)
"The differences are negligible" my brother in christ... Do you not see the tentacles? 😂😂😂
We love Brian, always excited to talk about cool stuff
Genetically the differences are negligible
On a genetic level. Technically, 60% of the human genome is identical to that of a Banana. The biological processes that keep an Octopus alive are the same that keep just about any other creature alive. Sure, Octopi are amazing, and are highly specialized and adapted in a spectacular, and breathtaking way, but the fundamental building blocks are the same as any other creature.
he knows bro
I watched a video where an octopus was expressing gratitude for saving its life to a family walking along the beach the day after they saved it. Gratitude. They're not so different from us
I love the "They're not tho" just straight up not playing his game lmao
Remember when he sung “Things Can Only Get Better" with D:Ream back in the Day
So... just to clarify something, given the origins of the moon, yes, we've found Earth Rocks on the Moon.
That's because something smacked into the early Earth, and a lot of material got launched and formed the moon. The moon IS AN EARTH ROCK.
We're all technically aliens if you really want to go that far
Only a chap with a truly scientific brain would say octopus with their 9 brains and 8 arms are very similar to us. But as he says biologically technically they are.
How do we dumb this down for you…ok ever heard of never judge a book by its cover?
I think he was confusing octopus with “water bears” which are the coolest things ever
Tell me you're a polite genius, without telling me you're a polite genius.
Dude was talking to joe like how joe was talking to Terrance Howard 😂
Some scientists speculate that octopuses might have originated from another planet due to their highly complex nervous system, distributed intelligence across their arms, rapid evolutionary adaptations, and unique genetic makeup which appears quite different from other Earth creatures, leading to theories that they could be a result of "panspermia" - the idea that life on Earth could have been seeded by extraterrestrial organisms arriving via meteorites or comets.
Their genetic makeup is very similar to humans just like all other life in earth. 94%
Does anyone else think it’s wholesome that they brought the earth rock back home after so long
Grammatically speaking, the plural for octopus is ‘Octopuses’. Octopus is Greek derivative and using ‘Pi’ is Latin plural, there for making it incorrect
Microbes maybe could survive in the extremely rare 0.001% of chances. Frozen squid eggs would not….
He really let Joe down slowly 😂
Octopus are not like us.
~Kendrick
No, Joe. No legitimate scientist is proposing this.
That’s a really nice phone case
It would be a good idea for a movie
But obviously its very unlikely....
It might "look weird" but that does not mean its an alien
There are many species that look weird especially in the ocean
Why am I watching a discussion about octopusses being aliens and some mobile phone case manufacture at the same time? What's the point of this video again?!
Dunno if we need the bottom stroke inducing video
Thanks man, i almost lost hope
Brown Cox is a legend
Some ppl dont seem to understand the part about the similarities. Its like a painting. If you would give totally different artists the task to draw a lion, you would have many lions, but some in comic style, some realistic, some more expressive. But you could see their are different creators. So even if one picture shows a lion and one an octopus, you would recognize the artist by his style. 8arms, long eyes, wings and so on might look very different but in the end they all follow the same construction. Whatever e creator from out of this would would create, you always see that he uses totally different tecniques and methods.
Some people think thats scary, but i dont care. The fucks an octopus gonna do to me? Its an alien, but that thing dont stand a chance
some even f*** the octopuse
The only difference is they use copper instead of iron in their blood. They still have a digestive tract and blood, skin, a month, limbs
Figuratively speaking, the 'universe' is a cosmic ocean.. so any 'oceanic' beast would have been here prior and from any vast area of this ocean
Sir Brian one of my favorite sciantist
We could have totally been walking around like a bunch of mini Cthulhu’s
You know when someone is wrong about a topic, when they can't even identify the plural form. It's "Octopuses."
Water bears? The tardigrade I think they’re called.
They wont survive and meteor or meteor impact great survivors can survive in space but were talking about somethinv hitting the earth with mire force than 100s of nuclear bombs .
@@theangrygamer1232 true they might burn up in the explosion. But water bears have been proven to survive both in the vacuum of space and re-entry with relative ease.
Nasa sent a couple test tubes of them into space to see what happens. But yeah the explosion would probably kill them.
Octopus have all the like DNA tho
There’s a theory that the moon is just a shot off piece of the earth that got caught in our orbit.
Lunar origin theories are running wild right now. The Theia impact origin has strong evidence against it now, so it's hella open ended.
i get why somebody would think this at first glance but life on another planet is completely built up from the ground, basic things in all animals on earth like cell structure and the organelles therein would look and work entirely different, even if the climate is identical to earth thanks to the sheer randomness of evolution
Octopi is false Latin. The plural is octopodes.
The more you know.
The conundrum is that they have evolved in ways that are shocking. Though they have eyes, they only see in black and white. The colors and textures they take on when camouflaging themselves is "registered" and then copied, by one of their three distinct and amazing layers of skin.
I heard one disturbing observation about them. Because they are solitary creatures, they don't raise and teach their young. But, with their intelligence, if they did, they would have quickly become the planet's apex predator and might have even managed to leave the water, a long, long, long time ago, like before there were trees, birds or mammals.
My brain tells me. When the world was smaller, maybe all of the original earth was from out of space, graverty pulled it all in, but as it got bigger, graverty got weaker. Maybe
Rogan thought he sounded so insightful and smart and the dude just destroyed Rogan's stupid idea 🤣
Having a dad that grew up fat with a high muscle growth and a skinny mom with high metabolism and getting the best of both worlds
Of course we are similar, that's why Octodad was able to blend in so well 🐙
"We found Earth rock on the Moon."
Hmm... might have something to do with the fact that Moon and Earth are from same material. XD
For those who don't know: Billions of years ago, when Earth was still red hot, a little planet about the size of Mars colided with Earth. The material the impact threw into the orbit created a ring around Earth and then united a single Moon. So quite literally, Moon is made from same material as Earth.
The rock arrived on the moon long after it's formation. lol but of course you didn't know that, dummy.
Imagine skipping a rock that’s from the moon and you didn’t even know that’s cool af
I was wondering why he wasn‘t advising me to go gambling, then i remembered this is YT Shorts and not Instagram Reels
I love it when people say octopi are a seperate species so I know they don't know what they're talking about.
But they are aren’t they? They aren’t human I mean.
When you think about it, it's actually quite terrifying that such VIOLENCE happens on earth, a large rock can make a journey to the MOON.
Octopus are just us from the future.
I feel like an octopus being so similar to us makes it more alien because its not only a different species but a different class of species being an aquatic thing
Octopi share DNA with humans and all other known animal species and therefore come from the same place we all all the others do. If Octopi are from another planet then we are all from that same other planet. Fun fact, an ancient relative of the Octopi known as ammonites sometimes grew to enormous sizes and likely were far more intelligent than humans today being that they were more than 50% by mass brains. Some had brains that weighed over fifty pounds. The octopus is quite intelligent as I have learned from personal experience. They will recognize your face, communicate, solve problems and play. And, they will go to war on occasion. The only thing I have not seen octopi do is cooperate with each other. If they ever did that we are all in trouble.
For talking about planets and the universe Brian cox second to non he knows alot i have all his dvds. And for wildlife no one better than David Attenborough.
If you tell this to chatgpt, it will say, excellent point, although it's important to consider alternative possibilities, the established scientific consensus will not be changed.