THE FOURTH ELEMENT: F1 Mercedes W15 with Scarbs by Peter Windsor
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- After two years in the doldrums have the Mercedes design team finally found a sweet spot? Craig Scarborough's first impressions of the new W15 are positive - and he's intrigued, too, by the "0.1" fourth element on the front wing (which may or may not be legal).
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I love how peter asks specific questions and then just lets scarbs answer without interruption. Brilliant interviewer
specific and open!
I got a feeling this mercedes will be really fast....... James Alisson knows his stuff
Nope he said it looks promising but Rb will show teams how its done this & next year
Scarbs should be a regular on this channel.
He should have his own channel and move away from Mr. Windsor imo
@@patteyhhe does, @theracebay
Sam and Scarbs on F1 Tech Talk is good. Collins and Collins is also good.
He is and he regularly gets things wrong
@@patteyhwhy do you say that?
Great to see you and Scarbs back
Scarbs and Peter . The F1 Dynamic's Duo
😀I love hearing Scarbs' commentary - No one seems quite so well informed and experienced. Thank you Scarbs and Peter!
There are many, really.
There are channels made by ex Mercedes aerodynamic engineers that go much more in details (Kyle Engineers).
Nowadays there are even AI voice channels that actually bring legit news and info (in the midst of all the clickbait ones, which are prevalent even outside of AI made stuff)
Essential viewing. Thank you so much Peter for bringing Scarbs on the show.
Hi Peter, hope you make much more in 24 with scarbs. Thanks by the way for all you do 👍👍
So by any chance if Newey makes the zero pods work, the last person who was technical head of design was almost rigut all along?
Great stuff, lads. Would be great to hear Scarbs's insight during the season too.
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As Scarbs said, James Allison is back as Technical Director so the 2024 F1 car is 'his'.
Also, good to know that this seat position is comfortable for Lewis.
(By comparison, if I recall correctly, the design of the 2022 and 2023 cars was led by A N Other. And although cautious of what I read, I'm led to believe that some of Lewis's input to the layout/design of those cars was over-ruled. Apologies if I'm wrong).
No the seat position can ONLY be changed in the chassis….before the season not during. And… any change of weight distribution creates issues throughout the whole car… that’s what James Allison has explained. You can’t JUST set the seat more to the back… you need to change stuff all over the car cos of it…. LH thinks he knows abt the technical stuff, but he doesn’t….WORDS BY ALLISON
Hi Peter, Excellent commentary as usual. The combo of you and scarbs is the very best at explaining all things F1. Thank you for all you do for our better understanding.
Question: If the Mercedes is able to compete with Red Bull, and is better than the Ferrari (and possibly even wins the championship this year), do you think it's possible for Hamilton to reverse his decision and stay with Merc for 2025?
Peter Windsor x Scarbs video means the F1 season is truly starting
Scarbs: Lots of technical insight.
Me: Looks a lot like the West McLaren Mercedes liveries.
Amazing how much we don't know as fans, therefore, thank you for bringing this content to us!
I like how openly they shared the idea it's like a competitive way to allow brainstorming across the grid which can benefit all teams in terms of creativity
Top marks. As always, thank you for your insight 🌞
Conventional aka similar to RB for this generation is not boring if it completely reverses Mercedes abysmal previous two seasons performance. Continuing down the same zero pod path and expecting a different result after exhausting all solution sets is defined as insanity.
And making mistakes is part of engineering. NASA blew up how many rockets trying to get John Glenn into space to orbit the earth. They fell behind the Russians in the space race then blew them off the map and never looked back.
I am not a Mercedes fan but I am a believer in engineers getting it right eventually. And lest the critics forget there is no great reward without great risk. I do applaud Mercedes for their daring approach even if it failed.
I could listen to you and Scarbs all day.
All facts no waffle on this channel.
We should really appreciate Scarbs content. He should be on serious money at any F1 team
He just analyses cars. F1 engineers are a lot smarter than him. Don’t get me wrong Scarbs is a smart technical analyst but there are people who are a lot better than him.
I can only imagine what you would say when you’ll find out channels like “Kyle Engineers”
@@tommasoannoni4836 mate he’s an ex engineer. He worked for merc for 3 years. I know who he is
@@tommasoannoni4836 Scarb is a technical analyst
@@mrdiscombobulated7230 Does he work for a racing team?
I don’t know if he’s like a journalist or an actual engineer
That front wing thing is a bit cheeky but clever!
Don't disagree with the list of issues that Scarb's mentions about he W14, but the key issue for me was that it was draggy in a straight line. It wasn't easy to drive but it was competitive in mid-speed corners. It just didn't have the flat out straight line speed of its rivals. Hopefully the sidepod changes and the floor will cure some of this, along with the rear changes to fix its problems in the low-speed corners.
Thanks for clearing up the 4th element legality and that it is legal according to the regulations. No doubt it will be on every car for 2025 and well done to Mercedes for locking in the advantage for this year.
Not necessarily. If it becomes problematic for the racing, it will get banned before then. Also, others will have to compromise their suspension designs to accommodate this and would they really be willing? I am not too sure. Maybe just Ferrari and Aston can implement this kind of thing.
Part of rhe reason they showed it now vs when testing started next week is to get the teams protesting it to see if it will be banned that way they can add the tweaked but less desirable front wing design implemented.
Actually hamilton said why simple when a new reg comes in one team luck out and chosses the winning formula and then have an advanced on the others that they keep because everybody gets to develope at the same speed ,slightly less wind tunnel only works iff the others can throw the fence at their extra time but they can’t,budgets so the guy with the head start keeps it untill the next really big change .either het ride of big changes or do them more often .
Great as always , cheers!
Would be fantastic to see Lewis win an 8th championship with Merc this year, and another with Ferrari in the future.
😂😂 you are still in your dreamworld
All he needs is a near equal car to Max. He beat him to the title in an overall slower Mercedes...until Masi stepped in at the flag of course.
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about the front wing, i think FIA can't really stop the teams from innovating within the rules, what they can do is monitor how much dirty air a car produces (idk if they can measure that) but i think thats the only sure-fire way to ensure the regulations work as intended, i did hear last year that redbull was the most dirty-air producing car because of how their diffusor was working i think it could be the same with aston and mercedes this year producing a lot more dirty air because now they must have changed their diffusors as well
James Allison said that both the W13 and the W14 were born wrong. They were wrong from front to back.
They were wrong, clearly, and yet still the 2nd best car for most of both seasons. Imagine how good this car might be, if they've got it right.
@@bipolarminddroppings Well now they're starting from scratch so they have to come back some way compared to other teams. Also, I think it's debatable that they were 2nd best, I'd argue they were 3rd best for 22 and between 2nd and 4th best in 23, depending on the circuit, weekend or time of year.
Exactly@@bipolarminddroppings
@@bipolarminddroppingsyou could say the same to the Ferrari tbh
@@bipolarminddroppings They were never the second best car. Maybe the third or fourth best in most races. Just because they finished second doesn't mean the car was second best.
I love how Merc always has the nads to try something radical 👍
I agree with Scarbs that Merc just didn't know how to approach the '22 regulations. Also part of the reason for that was to run bigger wheels to cope with the weight/torque and make the cars stiffer and require more driver input to the overall lap time. Merc couldn't rely on mountains of tyre data - because the tyres were completely different. And as Allison said 'philosophy' is not about the specifics parts you design, but what your priorities are and mindset is.
Nothing is known until the cars hit the track , you can all keep guessing
He knows more about F1 regs than anyone I’ve ever seen.
Beautiful
Your splash screen outro is way to loud compared to the volume of your video.z
Glad Scarb mentioned the “onboard suspension” because ppl forget how Mercedes was nerfed repeatedly in this area over Lewis’ dominant period
I love watch your channel! Greetings from Bavaria 🙋🏼♂️
If that front wing is bringing back the issue again why the FIA introduced this rule then this front wing solution can be within the rules but it will ignore the why this rule was introduced. So I think the FIA will not allow it.
Observation: It appears that Adrian Newey has master the art of reducing the cross sectional profile of suspension arms and air inlets to minimize drag (maximizing top end speed). Compare the RB's to Mercedes cars and it appears the RB's have a much smaller component drag profile (or thinner components to minimize drag). I hope someone confirms (or not).
The biggest issue was the 2022 car had Mike Elliott in charge. Ellison was the pioneer of the
thanks Peter, cheers mate
I love Scarbs!!!💚💚💚
To be fair EVERYONE *except for Redbull got it so wrong. The entire field has been miles behind until just recently and the jury is still out on who's figured it out for this season.
Who is this guy? He’s a genius.
Interesting especially taking away Mercs tools that they excelled at of course that's same for everyone else. But when you are that good in 1 sets that gives you a big advantage your the team that in a way gets hobbled cause you haven't needed other areas
Thank you Scarbs!
It would be good go understand what Mercedes did at the rear of the car and whether they'll get any DRS and straight line gains.
Just waiting for Christian Horner to protest that front wing.
He should focus on protesting that investigation he caused
😂😂😂 Horner living rent free in your head 😂 I think you should know by now that Ferrari, AM and McLaren and even Alpine will be talking to FIA abt this too.
@@johnjohnrice585Horner didn’t cause anything. And McLaren, Ferrari, AM, even Alpine will ask FIA questions abt this sting on that nose, don’t worry. F1 has 10 teams, not just RBR 😂 Your hate towards RBR is taking over again
Be interested to hear Scarbs commentary on the McLaren
It wasn't too enjoyable, when Mercedes won almost every race. And, it wasn't enjoyable to watch RB last year. Let's hope the teams were able to close the gap. Except the Haas. They are clear favorites for 10 place again! They will never be a real threat. These new cars look incredible. Can't wait till Lights out!
The out wash or dirty air from the Merc was one of the things that made it so dominate before the 2022 changes. I think Merc has and is trying to get as much dirty air coming off their car to make it difficult to follow/overtake. Just wondering if FIA and F1 are keeping an eye out for this issue as it was one of the reasons for the aero changes.
Every car has done and is still trying to do this. Hence last year thr drivers were complaining about dirty air still.
The changes for 2026 where there will be a forced in wash design should correct most of these issues hopefully.
@@BNOVAuntil the teams circumvent those rules yet again
That’s exactly what the other teams will complain abt to FIA, cos the regs say as little dirty air as possible…
Hi! A suggestion to make the videos easier to follow: can you point at which area of the car Scarbs is talking about? It's hard to know what exactly he's talking about by just looking at the picture. Would be great if you could draw a red circle or a line or an arrow pointing to the part. Thanks!
If I were Mercedes that wing wouldn’t have seen daylight until P1 of the first race.
It looks like the Mclaren 2007 the sidepods and the frontwings Check it out
Well, we'll see if they made progress. Even more important if they made more progress then other teams. They should become WCD and not the third team. If they keep the same level as last year I'll be impressed.
9:19 Because engineering and design is hard. Even for the best
Does designing in outwash mean floor design and ground effect isn't optimal?
One comment to the Merc front wing, cheeky......
The W thirteen and the W fourteen were always going to be cursed.
(The Fourteen A version averaged nearly a point higher per Grand Prix than the Fourteen B version, for the parts of the season when they were run. So the curse equalled an apologizing update/upgrade which actually returned fewer points.)
A few comments praising James Alisson, and overlooking that he led the W13 'zero pod' project...
Mike Elliott was just the fall guy - talented, but disposable...like the character Eric Dale in the movie 'Margin Call'...
One can imagine Toto Wolf in the John Tuld role...reeling off the list of dominant teams and the dog of a car that ended their runs:
- The McLaren in 1992
- The Williams in 1998
- The Ferrari in 2005
- The Red Bull in 2014
- The Mercedes-Benz in 2022
Wrong...but continue
@j.s3300 OK, please go and update the W13 Wikipedia page and the wider internet, all of which list one James Allison as the lead designer...
@@MuhammadImHardBruceLee or you can just listen to toto and james themselves but what would they know. Clown
@j.s3300 Ah, the immature name calling when someone disagree with your opinion (with no sources or logic).
The W13 was launched in February 2022...Alisson stopped leading the technical team seven months earlier (July 2021)...but he didn't lead the technical team on the 2022 car???
OK...
@@MuhammadImHardBruceLee its half term? It shows
Great analysis
Mercedes got away with designing draggy cars because of their huge power unit advantage during their championship run. This is the main reason behind their struggles imo.
Can't wait to see some undersides of these cars.
You will have to wait for Sergio to put it in the wall.
I like how Peter includes at least one "redbul" in every sentence he utters in life.
Cos THATS the car to beat…. Peter is a LH fan as you well know
from the thumbnail I thought he was going to talk about the w15 having aura
Very intriguing. I hope they weren't mislead...
Any power plant improvement? I believed small part of Red bull dominance last year was Mercedes W14 power plant having HP deficit to Red-bull .
The deficit was the idiots holding the steering wheel.
@@therealquaid1694🤡🤡
Problem was Allison wasn’t in charge.
I agree, when he got back things started improving
Elliott was mediocre engineer
@gtr485 Allison led the W13 project...
Led the W13 you know
@backupdancer3720 , not true. Allison came back April 21, 2023, to the F1 team
Only moved the cockpit 10cms, hope that is enough!
Looks like an actual race car for once in these regs... usually a good looking car is a fast car... doesn't have that engine cover centered weight
😂😂😂 they, the Merc fans, said the 2023 Merc was the best looking car ever…. Looked fast and furious…. LOOKS WILL DECIEVE you
My question was made in hate. Do you have an opinion of either Shane van gensburger or Kyle Larson?
Haste not 'hate'
Did you mean, SVG, Shane Van Gisbergen, V8 SuperCar legend? If so - Hopefully, he smashes 2024 in the US.
This is completely irrelevant, but I can't see Peter's face without remembering his sponsor bit for Raid Shadow Legends 😂.
Sky F1 have not contracted Scarbs for the broadcast team. He'd be great for the fans.
Someone at the broadcaster is out of synch with the audience need.
What I as well will never get a grip on is how Mercedes with all the money and what not could have gotten it so wrong. For so long.....
2024, one of the best f1 journalists, still recording video with a potato. it's unwatchable...
Thump thump thump thump ello Lewis is going to win this year
I believe Mercs won’t be fast in the first half. Second half of the season they will be the fastest..
Silver/black works here.
is there a reason for this?
March the second we will know the answer. Until then it's all speculation.
Looks can be deceptive but to me it looks swifter than the Ferrari. I wonder what Hamilton thinks 🤔
Mercedes have told him that it's not capable of winning the championship this year hence why he left.
We won't know how quick any of the cars are until the first race.
@@MrCeegeezy Who says that? Even if it’s true how would they know without knowing how fast their competitors are going to be?! Anyway we will know much more in a few days time. Greetings from Denmark
What is the McLaren cooking Peter? They're cooking something different.
Basically Mercedes was buying titles by spending 100 million a year on suspension and dampners.
But if the suspensions doesn’t matter why no other team was able the keep up with Red Bull except McLaren last year?
Nothing wrong with the wing unless it affects the car behind. If Mercedes starts doing well watch the crying start.
Somebody get Scarbs a decent mic and camera 😂
Very Sad how Peter tries to denigrate Mercedes by claiming they're building a RedBull copy 👎Refreshing how Scarbs diplomatically points out the obvious, that the whole grid will be rightly taking mere ques from the record breaking RedBulls.👍
This guys cant stop s.king mercedes, i mean so far they down played all other teams, but the merc is great and nice and lovely. What a bias bs.
Couldn't spend their way out of their issues due to cost cap.
very good tittle🤣
Now over to scarbs on a potato
I know the guy has a wealth of knowledge but scarabs has a definite bias toward some team. I don’t mean Mercedes
Brit ones
He is British. People expecting people to completely rule out all bias is unrealistic. Scarbs is actually one of the good guys, hardly ever biased. Go after someone else.@@fqeagles21
@@ab8jeh I watch him too but in the last three years It was a bit too harsh on Ferraris
I have to concur. He absolutely demolishes Ferrari day in and day out and was salivating at the first mention of the Merc. 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️😬😬
@@ab8jehcalm down bud. I wasn’t going after him. I just started he was sometimes biased. He has a right to give his opinion, biased or not. Just like I have the right to give my opinion.
I don't think the arrogance of the mercs will help them despite having the problem for the drivers sitting in front of the car they've only managed to get it by 10cm I don't think that helps them. I hope it works out.
I aslo think that the sitting position continues to be compromised. I don't know what Lewis thinks about it but if I had to choose I would preffer to have it matching Red Bull.
9:25 mike elliot with his shit concept not only ruined the aerodynamics, they re packaged the power unit for these terrible aero which ruined the best PU on the grid where development is now frozen. All of this also seems to have sent the statistically best driver of all time which brand reach well outside of Motorsport away from their team. It will be interesting to see how the team can recover over the next 3 years.
😂😂😂😂 oh boy….
They are back with a flat rake
McLaren pls
Could Kyle Larson win a F1 seat?
So let me get this straight…A plain looking Ferrari is lacking innovation but a plain looking merc is radical on a closer look. Bias much.
"The Mercedes is not a conventional car," says Scarbs. Only to then emphasize completely conventional things with downwash sidepods and undercut.
How did they get it so wrong for 2 years?? They finally no longer had an engine advantage and they where never better than Red Bull with Newey in the aero department..
I actually dont understand how this keeps being neglected...
Cause take away the engine advantage and they would maybe only have 3 of their 8 championships/ constructors
@@b29ak2007 I know even 2014-16 at their peak u could argue RB had best chassis. Maybe not 2015 but the point stands..
@@b29ak2007why didn't all the other cars with Mercedes engine win then? Morons.
If it was just their engine, then why didn't all the teams they sell engines to win? Derp.
@@joshn1678Williams started the era off as second best car due to Mercedes engine. And then their aero was so bad eventually they were last lol.