Rare L88 427 Corvette vs Olds 442 W30 - 1/4 Mile Drag Race - Old School - Road Test TV ®
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- www.RoadTestTV.com 1/4 mile drag race between an ultra rare 1969 L88 Corvette which powered by a 430 Horsepower 427 solid lifter big block and a 1972 Oldsmobile 442 powered by the factory blue-printed W30 455 rated at 300 horsepower in 1972. The L88 Corvette is 1 of only 116 produced in 1969. The 442 W30 is also rare as it is 1 of only 772 built.
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I had a 442,I also worked at Olds Experimental. Yes the W30 was fast, no it didn't have 300 hp - it had much more. Not many real W30's out there. What a great package that was. My 442 (not W30) beat Mopars, GTOs, Vettes - only ever beat once - by another 442, the one that won the Winter Nationals. Long time ago.
@markrapacki5855Exactly Bull Sh.t
I owned at least 25 cuttlass's when I was younger and I loved all of them, they were very powerful machines and had a great body style and very reliable 😎👍
The 70 442 W-30 4sp was a the factory race car.
It had the 328 cam that is bigger than the LS6 cam.
WOW the value of these two cars and they are still willing to put them on the strip...simply beautiful.
442 gave that Vette all he can handle! Great race ,2 great cars!
Agree. Thanks for watching !
Had a 69 427 mystery white roadster/blue int. hood like this one but white like my vette an all time favorite of mine. I was seen enjoying it all over Athens, GA. back in the 70s. Great times. I think everyone should have one some time.
That was one HELL of a burnout by the Corvette!
jet052673 He was just power braking it. Big deal !
it's a 4 speed, einstein.
@@applemusclecar1301 how do you power brake with a manual?
@@XploreAz Once you pop the clutch you start riding the brake.
@@XploreAz Lmao. His brake lights are even on.
Considering weight, aerodynamics and rated HP, that Olds was pretty impressive.
Considering the olds was 8.5 to 1 and the chevy was 11 to 1 compression.
Damn right I was kind of shocked
Good race. I suspect the Vette was a bit low on torque in that matchup...
1972 was when they started using Net HP ratings so 300 net HP would be 360-375 gross HP. A lot of GM 455s put out 300 or more Net HP with 8.1 to 1 -8.4 to 1 compression
@@markperry2827 NOT 11:1. Try 12.5:1.
No matter how you look at it, that was a drag race ! Two great gladiators fighting it out, very cool, Thanks.
Agree ! Thanks for watching !!
the 442 was quicker than I thought.
Especially considering it’s a 72
442s were some of the baddest, most underrated muscle cars in history
The 442 would pin you into the back of the seat.
dogshit compared to the L88. I've seen nothing on YT beat the Duntov L88. Ultimate muscle car of the late '60's
My father had one, his would leave 5.0 (literally cops) with crown vics scratching their heads, asking theirselves, "what the fuck just happened? Why can't my Ford keep up with a forgotten muscle car? I should be fired."
Loved my old brown 72 442. It had a built 70 model 350 rocket with a big cam. It was 575 hp. Smoked a few Mustangs and Cameros up and down M'boro Rd.
Fiberglass didn't make them much lighter. They were still over 3k lbs.
closer than I thought it would be!
Something about those Olds 442💪
We use to call them "lead sleds".!
Love to see these old monsters still on the road, so many are long gone.
The Corvette engine is most likely stock. The 427 L88 was severely underrated. It was a high compression solid lifter cam factory race engine.
THIS COMPETITION IS THE PURE STOCK DRAGS HELD EACH YEAR ...IN ORDER TO COMPETE ALL THE CARS MUST BE COMPLETELY STOCK AS THEY ORIGINALLY LEFT THE FACTORY. SO ALL THE CARS ARE STOCK .
You are absolutely correct on it being basically a factory race engine! Definitely had close to 600 hp! If I remember the ZL1 had aluminum heads! 427 and 454 share the same block! Back then they had to keep the insurance companies happy! Really didn’t have to do much to a L-88 but put some good gripping shoes on it! I did witness a 70 Buick GSX smoke one before. That L-88 couldn’t stick! And that GSX stood straight up and the rear bit down. And it was a time to come to Jesus moment for the Vette! GSX was a torque monster as well. Not to mention the Stage 2 version. Good God
Look at the suspension and the front lifting due to the acceleration... dang
Back in 1969 a train pulled into the train station for the night. One of the cargo items was a 1969 Vet with an L88. The next day all that was left was the body. The L88 and the muncie 4spd were gone.
Wow I believe you
I didn't think the olds would beat the vette, I used to drive 427 vette, stick shift and when you slammed gears in that thing, it would not stay on the road, it would bounce from side to side, had a damn lot of fun with that car, in actuality they say 425 HP because of standards back then but they really had 480 HP.
A L88 vette..in silver too! It must be worth close to million dollars!
Unless you're in a 427 Cobra, don't mess with the L-88. The Olds held it's own, but without the 1.5 compression ratio allowance, it wouldn't be close. The Vette was very likely bone stock.
Agree
What do you mean bone stock an L88 has 550 hp stock the w30 at the most had 400 hp ive owned both.
@@marklincoln9982
Can you please reread my post? Slowly this time.
@@johntempest267🤣🤣🤣🤣
Blame the politicians for ruining American cars and America in general
Orderd a new 72 cutlass S w/ the 455 engine, Ram Air hood, W6 suspension, in Little Rock, Ark. White w/ black hood stripes. It was my dream car.Got married, my wife had two kids, and traded it in for a 76 Olds station wagon Hope it survived!
Shit I'm so sorry brother.
How did the marriage survive. I did it twice and still kicking my own ass over all the cool stuff I lost.
Win or lose, nothing sounds as good as a cammy Olds 455. Good stuff
Interesting that no water in burn out box. Heard those tires are just like slicks. Incredible.
Agree. Incredible how they get those tires to hook. Thanks for watching !!
Old school all day!!!! It don't get any better than that period!!
That 442 has definitely had work done to it.
Stock. Blueprinted and tuned. This is what those cars were capable of if you spent the time making them perfect. People don't understand how much power is left on the table when the factory just slaps the parts together. That's why you could have identical cars and one would be a lot faster....manufacturing tolerances came together just right on one, and "just wrong" on the other, even though the parts were technically "identical"
You don't see these cars out on the prowl anymore. In 87, I was a senior in high school in Indy. Our parking lot was full of them.
The Olds did well against the L88 powered Vette. I'd like to see what a 1970 W30 would have done. 😉
Yes...much higher compression ratio...real muscle!!
Damn that was close good race for that corvette was pulling some power getting light on the front end man oh man
Wow, a real L88 and he's out there flogging it. Great to see.
People think these cars aren't stock...they ARE. They've been blueprinted and tuned perfectly. This is what they were truly capable of, once you took the slop of manufacturing tolerances out of them. Folks don't understand how much that affects actual showroom cars that are basically just slapped together.
Make the deck height perfect. Head CC at the minimum spec. Cam at perfect high end of the spec. Crank indexed to high end of spec. And so on.
Once in awhile you'd get an engine that had all that from the factory, and that would be the "guy whose identical car was just faster than everyone else's" But it was just luck that his motor came together like that. Most didn't, so the actual power levels of production cars really varied a good bit. You could take 3 absolutely identical cars off the showroom floor and one would be significantly faster than the other 2, and none of them would run exactly the same.
Blueprinting eliminates the manufacturing slop, and that's what you see here. Tuning eliminates the factory's "make it so the average person can drive it" and that's also what you see here.
@Mark rapacki Yeah, like the ones I detailed. But making one "perfect" within the specs is still stock.
There's no aftermarket can, intake, carb, heads, no porting, etc.
Both those cars are amazing and haven't been stock in a long time!
L88, the baddest engine built besides the ZL1. My dad had a 67 L88 Vette and won the 69 Summer Nationals at Norwalk.
If memory serves me correctly they only made 20 L 88 in 1967
@@acts2211 thats what my dad said. There were 2 in Cleveland at the time. My dads and one on the other side of the city.
I have pics and his trophies he won during that time.
acts2211 actually it might be 7
Love that c3 showing that the hp is all at the rear tires
That l88 is FAST 😳
11 sec run on Goodyear Wide Oval tires. Both of these cars are badass. Look at the Vettes MPH with 456 gears.123 MPH. Wow just wow..
That Olds was no slouch either.
Indeed they are both bad ass cars. The Vette doing it with the independent rear and a four speed is a bit more impressive to me though. The Olds I think actually has the advantage with auto trans and torgue in that 455
Agreed.
im mow gear head but i know cars and i had heard about the power of That L 88. but its the first time i ever heard of an oldsmobile with that engine. i was taken away by both. and to see them well this is the first time ive seeen the power at work and to quote you wow just wow!!!! clear it up for me the vette dosent have positive traction??? did the olds does did it come out the factory like that???? thanks
Both cars had posi - traction. ALL corvettes came standard with it and it was optional on the Olds.
AWESOME!!! NO COMPUTERS. NO TWIN CLUTCH TRANNY. JUST PURE OLD HORSEPOWER.
Actually the L88 corvettes came standard with a twin disc heavy duty clutch and the heavy duty M22 "rock crusher" 4 speed. Oddly enough though, you could order one with a beefed up 400 automatic.
You could get a twin clutch on a 442 W30 in 1971 and also a M22rockcrusher!
no superchargers, no turbos, no traction controls, no problems
Love them olds!!!!!!
We agree, Jose. The 442 W30 is one of our favorite muscle cars. Thanks for watching.
My family had a 442W 30 it out ran Corvettes 455 Trans Am HD GTO Camaro anything factory and some that wasn’t that W 30 442 would slam it and it was all factory and a girl driving most of the time 😂 lol
I agree. Most of the awesome cars on these "Pure Stock Drag" videos have obviously had some tuning done to the motors, exhaust, gearing, suspension, etc. They are still great fun to watch on Polyglas-GT, Wide-O oval, and Red Line tires (!) and I'm glad their owners enjoy running them! One of my buddies just bought a very nice, 1965 Olds 442 with factory 400 V8 and Jetaway 2-speed Auto trans. with 3.23 rear gears. That thing will still snap your neck off with 440 ft.lbs of torque. Yeah, newer muscle like my SRT8 Charger are fun, but these old cars are just "Alive" with motor and you feel it in your gut. People who have never experienced it (the torque hit), just don't know.......
@Jim H. - Re:"Yeah, newer muscle like my SRT8 Charger are fun, but these old cars are just "Alive" with motor and you feel it in your gut. People who have never experienced it (the torque hit), just don't know......."
I'll always remember being in high school in the 1970s, and there was a guy in my home town who had a 1970 Olds 4-4-2 W30 ... black with gold pinstripes and numbering on it. The glass in the windows would rattle when that monster drove by. The ground would vibrate. I don't know if I have ever heard a more-lethal sounding exhaust note. That year, the 455 cubic inch mill made an honest 500 pound-feet of torque. I still want one, but I'll have to hit the Lotto to get it, since they go upwards of $80,000 now.
My very first car was a 1979 442. The lightest tap on the gas would still jerk your neck backwards. My brother would always complain about his neck after we took a drive somewhere.😂😂😂
Loved that car.
Those Oldsmobile had some serious torque
I doubt either of those cars were stock. I can't believe a stock L88 is hitting 123mph or the Olds hitting 115.
I drove 442 in 1966!! Comfort, luxury and unlimited top end!
The comments from people that did not come from the 60-70-80's street racing era is kinda funny. A stock L88 1969 Corvette with a 4:56 rear end can run those numbers at Michigan. Those drivers are both very good. My L88 stock closed chamber 427 was 12.9:1 compression with 230lbs average of tested pressure across all cylinders. Two were 225lbs and one was 234 lbs when cranked. Obviously it needs a blueprint. I had a W30 Olds 442, 455 cubic inch. I still have a set of Venolia pistons for it. It never ran the numbers that this one in the video is running but it was OK. 13's, the same numbers that my 1970 1/2 Z28 LT1 would crank out like a tractor. Nothing feels like an L88 427 for me though. I still have that car. It is not an Original L88 1967 Corvette. It is a 427 Corvette that I took the Original engine out and put in a 1967 Closed Chamber L88 engine for SCCA auto cross racing because the rules said I had to run an engine that came in my body style. Fun car. Good video
We love the old school muscle. Thanks for sharing
All of us old guys can only wish these two gems could pull those numbers stock. They couldn't. Nice video however!
That 442 put out the torque and power. Horse power no,problem one mean. Machine. Also really nice interior.
72 Olds 442 with a turbo400 most likely ok that I would believe. Now the 4.10 gear being stock,if you say so. Before even commenting further I'm going to do some research. I'm not positive right now but if memory serves me correct the tallest/lowest gear optioned on automatic transmission cars was 3.40 . Not that you couldn't do it,that's the problem. The factory didnt offer that ratio on automatic equipped cars from GM,only on the stick cars. Its like all the 100% matching # cars that are every where in the thousands of for sale. I was a mechanic all over the west coast for probably most if the early 70"S into the 80'S removing all manner of broken parts on all different makes and of every stock lo po vehicle to the most wicked hot rod factory cars along with thousands of other mechanics of all skill levels and many with 0 levels of anything. Like it is in any skilled trade. So that's what I think about factory original matching # he haw stuff you see today. Gotta love Barret Jackson, pioneer in the art of the decline in average kids ever owning a real classic csr from the hot rod days I caught the very end of. My first 67 camaro I bought in reno nevada in 1980 for 500bucks in running condition. I had owned several other different types of muscle cars prior to this camaro,so it wasn't my first. Kept that one the longest though. Don't know why, it just turned out that way. Scariest one I owned possibly a Mach1 Mustang 4.10gear,locker 428 cobra jet 4sp very dangerous even if you were paying attention that car was a butterfly effect to the whole body sometimes. Got rid of it one day just because of shit that would happen that shouldn't. Like blowing through a very familiar neighborhood and hitting some water were someone was watering the grass and left it on. Thats always fun and exciting. Not to mention saving the csr and not getting killed to. Girlfriends would leave you forever in a histerical crying event exiting at mom and dads. Don't miss that car at all. Never broke it to bad either. Just like that camaro. Owned a 70 firebird formula 400 too,very good car. Also on the danger be careful list of toys. Lotta my friend's died in them. They say I was a lucky survivor of that era. Today I wonder about that . Still have a 76 kz900 kawasaki. 3rd one I have owned. Except thats not really a hot rod is it? Probably what Jackson Varmint would say. Unless he owned it.Im done
There's no way the Olds 455 was only 300 hp...I'll guarantee it was a lot more than that...
Great to watch these cars. The balls these guys have to run flat out on these types of tires is insane. Have you ever ripped a vette with wide oval or F70 might as well be driving with bubble gum.
amazing!
Agree 100%. Thanks for watching !!
Cutlass 442s were low on compression in 1972 the best 442 was 1970 for high output motors. Night and day with compression, coming from a guy who has a 1971 cutlass 442.
Actually, in 70 and 71 the 442 was not a Cutlass, and was a model by itself. In 72, the 442 was just an option on a Cutlass.
Makes me wonder how different this would have been if the Olds was a year or two older
I had a '72 442 looked just like it. 'Hugger orange'. Had Protecto-Plate. Had the cut-out bumper - which is very rare. Blew it up drag racing - sold it for 400 bucks back in the day.
"On your mark"
"Get set"
"Gooooooo"
I think the 442 had the vette right up to the middle of the race and then the vette must've pulled away afterwards.
I agree. For a second, I was like....the Olds is slightly ahead! Can he hold on?
That Vette must have been pulling incredibly hard right about then.
That's called Horse Power.
@@badass6.0powerstroke10 weight
Automatic is why..killer off the line but they put you in the shit end of your hp range in 2nd gear. A 4 speed stick kept you in the horsepower..back then at least. Today you got 5 to 10 speed automatics. They keep you in the power and and are faster than a stick
@@netrioter Todays automatics might have more gears, but they won't hold up to 500 ft/lbs of torque, and a set of sticky tires. Give me a clutch...anyday.
Guy in the Olds was sleeping at the light but damn I love those cars!
I had a 71 Cutlass SX with the 455. It was cammed, long tube headers, edelbrock intake and Holley carb. I know what a cammed 455 sounds like. On its best day it was high 13’s in So FL (sea level). While I love that 442, it’s not stock.
0:33 I don't care which year it was planned and constructed but its still one of the most beautiful cars ever designed and created!
Your telling the truth on that one 🇺🇸👍
123 MPH trap speed for the Vette is all you need to know here...wow.
My 67 L88 Corvette did a bunch of 12:00 passes at 4000msl. Could not get into the 11's but I was shifting at 6500 rpms. 4.11 and close ration 4sp. I bet if I put in a wide ratio Muncie I would get it.
Had 2 442 in the past a 68 and 69 they were vers good and strong cars Nice exhaust rumble
beautiful
Newer cars may have better performance but boy do those 60s & 70s cars look good
Pretty dam good time for a car that was heavier and 130 horsepower less than a Corvette.👍 🇨🇦
Both cars are incredibly quick!!
Bro vaya buen duelo entre el Chevrolet Corvette C3 L88 427 Cl de 1969 Bro VS Oldsmobile 442 W-30-Bro de 1972
I don't know shit about cars but, that was awesome...
That's a great comment !! Thanks for watching !!
I had one of those olds back in 72 or 73. Don't remember. I think mine was a 68. It had the 455, fiberglass hood and other stuff. Blew it up when I overreved racing some guy in a Chevy. Didn't realize what had happened until the engine started making funny noises. I was used to higher reving Chevy motors. Nuff said. 🤗
Factory ratings for GT cars from this era were underrated, sometimes greatly underrated. That 442 actually had a good bit more horsepower and torque, but so did that 427 'Vette. They were ALL underrated for insurance purposes, which I'm sure that you have heard of. Nice race. The 442 got the jump, but the Vette's weight transfer put it's power to the rear wheels better. Great video! Thanks!
I had a 1970 W30, paint code delete, Sebring Yellow with black stripes. I ran a lot of Big Block Vettes, never lost once. It was way underrated in the HP dept!!!
You can't really tell what a motor can do by just listening to it unless it's a full-blown dragster or something like that
I love old classic cars
That olds suprised the hell out of me.#Badass
Both beautiful cars... I'll take the Vette
Those Stingrays are awesome looking cars. Gotta have side pipes.
Great recording!!! I love it!!!! Thank you:-)
Rare cars to be dragging. Good for them!
My uncles friends brothers cousins father had a 442 from Mississippi and it ran 14's all day and it was orange.
My wife's brothers cousins dads nephews friends neighbors daughter boyfriends uncles friend had one too.
yawl catch that,lol incest is best
i know the car. i think it had the 442 cubic inch hemi.
@@dougburg3210 Ooooohhhh Now I see what 442 stands for, thanks for clearing that up.
I think it takes 442 liters of oil.
Open headers and slicks on that L-88. Then you have a rocket.
I used to drag race my 71 small block Corvette and I always loved the way the back end would squat down at launch. Those are both truly bad ass rides!
Like the squat? Go drive a z car. Your looking at the sky when you launch....
The GOOD old days, I miss my 340 Challenger. Giant killer.
Beauty And The Beast!
The Olds gave him a race. I believe those were factory rated at 375 hp but in reality pushed better than 400 hp with 500 foot pounds of torque. Knowing how to throttle it before punching it was the key factor. If that was a 427 Chevelle the Olds would've smoked it.
Love the idle sound ; modified cam & advanced ignitiion timing ....before VVT.
Badass Olds W-30!!
Nothing is stock in this video, impressive nonetheless.
Go research "Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Races". These cars are meticulously blueprinted and are allowed to mill the block and heads to achieve higher compression. Other than that, no porting, no multi-angle valve jobs, must run stock cams, carbs, intakes, cast iron exhaust manifolds, distributors, rotating assemblies. If you'll notice both of the cars in the video were running Goodyear Polyglas bias ply tires. They can't run anything wider than G60. These cars aren't stock as in pushed off an assembly line but the do use almost 100% of the stock parts.
Man... That silver Vette looked mean when he did that burn out!
WOW.. the W30 got the jump but the L88 came up and won..!! The L88 should have around 550 HP?
Ok...that damn Olds had a hell of a lot more than 300 horses. Yes it had torque, but, it still had more than 300 horses.
james geiger hey love ypur comment im no gear head but it was fast as helll homestly its the first time ive seen it i love it positive traction wow. amd it came from the factory like that shit how did i miss that age when cars were pure muscle
Uh, horsepower is a function of torque. You can have torque without horsepower. You can't have horsepower without torque.
olds was strong off the line
@@deeremeyer1753 . Thats an oversimplification. You can have big horsepower and little torque (every Ferrari motor has WAY more HP than torque, Detroit muscle cars, then or now, usually have much more torque than HP).
There is A old Saying horsepower sales cars torque wins races !!!!!
Imagine that Corvette could have done a little better with an auto trans. My hat's off to him banging gears like that
American cars are still awsome!
Wow !! Bad start and still pulls an 11 !! Amazing what you can do with these old BB now days..
The reaction time has nothing to do with the ET the car runs
In 1967, I test drove all the fast cars-but in the end, bought the 4-4-2 because of the exhaust sound (like an inboard boat)
It’s too crazy how a 69 vette still could smoke modern muscle, america was doin somethin right!
Awesome drag race very close too
Im sure the 442 was putting out more than 300 hp to run a 12.
Heck I had a 1973 pinto sport 3 speed with the 2bbl carburetor! It ran consistent 12:30s! That’s for real! 1/4 mile in 12 minutes 30 seconds! 🤨
Lol. Thanks for watching !!
both of those cars have been breathed on
ah yes Vette won it's much lighter lol only reason why omy Mopar man here
@@tomglorius8854 vettes are not light, small yes, light no
There's no way these cars driven right off the lot were this fast in the late 60s/early 70s. After refreshing them, tuning and tweaking them with our current knowledge I think they are much quicker.
That 442 almost came off the ground!
Damn, are those both basically stock machines? Impressive times if they are!
No Way that 442 is even close to stock. No Way!
+carsbyjeff Local car Holiday Olds had NHRA record for fastest 1/4 mile C/S 442. GTO's etc it was 12.4, under that is not stock!!
Haha, hey I stick up for the Olds with its brutal torque but I know Jeff has driven more of these cars than I'll ever dream of so, gotta take his word for it :-P
I did notice in one of these videos you can clearly see it running G heads. Now I might've considered it if it were a higher compression F or H head motor but G heads running that quick bone stock. Nah. Not to take anything away from the 442 though. Still one of the most under rated muscle cars ever made
+Evan B Actually I think Big Jerry's 442 was running highly modified G heads along with a full build and got to 11.6
+Evan B Thanks Evan, I love 442's. The nicest driving muscle cars ever! Obviously this guy found out how to make them fast as hell!
carsbyjeff they both play by the same rules
Two classic greats
Roughly 3/10ths of better RT by the Vette was the only difference in the Olds not winning that race, incredible...
Don't mess with a Corvette
Looks like the Olds ruled the 1/8 mile but the 'Vette had longer legs at speed
little faster than I honestly thought they would be . that's good lol
These are 2 of the quickest you will see at these races. The Vette is amazing for a 4 speed car it really gets out of the hole quick.
I was hoping to see that black “66” 4-4-2 race as well.