As a geologist, I see little wrong with Graham's suggestion to consider these facts. A nice line of evidence and thought if you ask me. The censorship of this talk is, well frankly, pretty shame full.
Lol you'd think Graham was proposing that greek myths are historical fact based on the lengths to which TED goes to diminish/separate themselves from him and his views. I feel like people have made much more outlandish assertions with much more welcome from TED.
Adam was the 1st person in TIME, because he came up with the plan to map The Stars, & hence create time. You know this is the 'Papyrus of Hunefer', but they called it the inception & completion of the marriage of time & light. Basically the invention of time. Have more if interested. @Nephthy14216684 Osiris could not sit on his throne until it was complete
Yes, this "falls outside TEDx's curatorial guidelines" but talks about the Universe being a giant computer simulation are within those "guidelines"? **
Should probably remove the disclaimer now that NASA and National Geographic have located the 12 mile wide impact crater, that's 12,000 years old in Greenland. The likely source of the impact proxies he's speaking of.
@@blznft9513 Yes, you are right on the money. It has been proven, and still, the 'requiem' academics are trying to fuzzy this into the bad-science hall of blame. I literally had one back and forth with me about 6-7 times trying to dissuade me of my faith in Graham Hancock and Randal Carlson.
And Randal Carlson at GeoCosmicRex classes has found several other sites that fit the time, place, and geology of those meteor impacts. North East of the tip of Vancouver Island on the mainland you will see that the mountains show where a huge impact on the ice-sheet took place. It is one of those things that jumps out at you, once you know why it is, as it is. But, yes... that disclaimer is the least that they should do for the man that saw the writing on the megalithic polygonal stone walls. Peace,
@@selwynr ever heard of following your gut, but you probably don’t believe that human beings can have hunches, unexplainable thoughts and feeling that guide you towards awnsers.
Hows about we give him nothing. FFS you've already made him stinking rich from book sales - why does he need more?! He certainly hasn't spent any of that on excavations. He only takes from archaeologists, he gives nothing back.
Galileo's work was scientifically and mathematically based. it wasnt rejected by scientists. It was rejected by the Church because it was inconsistent with their views that the Earth is the centre of the universe. The Church utterly rejected anything based on actual measurements because they considered the Earth to be a fallen realm and that therefore any earthly measurements wre meaningless. There is no parallel between Galileo and modern-day crackpots like this guy and his speculations.
Graham may not be a traditionally educated scientist of any kind, but he does work with plenty of tenured and level-headed scientists, because he knows it is necessary to explaining these hypothesis. I am glad to see your comment and those of other scientists that can find no fault in what he represents. Graham definitely has some hypothesis that do not agree with modern science, but he only presents them as his own fantasy. This talk was purely data.
I agree but I think alligators are more related to Dinosaurs instead of chickens but I also see his perspective because we've been lied to for a millennium that dinosaurs didn't have feathers until that information got leaked to the media at a far later date.
@@yourdaddy.956 crocodiles had reptile ancestors who were very similar before the dinosaurs and haven't change much since. Birds are definitely dinosaurs they have the same adaption for hollow bones we see in dinosaurs, we find some extremely well feathered small dinosaurs that could glide well and we have the missing links in early birds that looked much like dinosaurs. Birds being dinosaurs is pretty indisputable if you look at the evidence with educated eyes. We have known some dinosaurs had feathers for a long time we just didn't realize most dinosaurs had feathers.
how do you explain the lack of genetic evidence, migration of food stuff, and complete lack of any archaeological record of an apparent metallurgic and sea bearing civilization?
If you really are open minded you’ll probably come out the other end of this. Don’t feel too bad when you realize he’s full of bs. Anyone can be fooled. Nobody realizes what cults they are in till they leave them. I used to believe in ancient aliens. Embarrassing I know, but it makes me appreciate how silly we are as humans.
@@davef00te If you presuppose that there was a great advanced civilisation, this talk would seem convincing to a regular person who has never spent much thought on the subject. That's not how science works, you dont presuppose the answer 12 steps down the road. He isnt letting the asteroid lead him to atlantis he is trying to connect Atlantis to the asteroid. Even if you dont beleive this, you cant deny in the very least it looks like this. Any thing he said about the meteor/asteroid is fine. I think its healthy that scientists research this and understand why there are those that doubt it. But he does sneaky things throughout. He frames it as if there was almost a cover up to the Alvarez hypothosis. What happened was, Alvarez had a theory. This theory did not have enough evidence or crater to support it to be unanimously supported by wider science community. Some scientists had vehemet oppositions to this theory based on their evidence. The crater was discovered and so the theory picked up more traction as a plausible theory and is more widely supported in the scientific community. Sounds pretty much how any scientific discovery occurs. this is not the impression Hancock gives. He uses language to evoke a sense of a conspiracy. Instead of saying that scientists were not convinced of the evidence prior to the craters discovery he says they "refused to accept the evidence". now it almost sounds the same except that the later evokes a sense of denial. He doesnt say that Alvarez proved his theory but rather "revealed the truth". The second sentance makes it sound like his discovery was a self evident fact only held back by something nefarious. he also states that the Asteroid impact "turned Shrews into Humans and Dinosaurs into Chickens" and beleives this statement is satisfactory because of the weak disclaimer "At risk of oversimplification". Its not and oversimplication, its a purposeful emotive description to put the idea into the audience that asteroids that something mighty might have come before the asteroid he will later describe. he is trying to make the mental for the audience between mighty dinosaurs and advanced civilistaions. Its very clever the way he tries to position himself to place where he is implying that if an ancient advanced civ existed it had to be wiped out by asteroid, therefore if this impact exists, civilisation is real. Its a cool idea but its not based on any evidence. The best he can do is claim that Atlantis is real because of a singular story by Plato who was told this sory by his grandfather, who was told by Solon (300 years before Plato apparently) who was told by a preist, who said it was inscribd on a temple that was 9000 years old. This one story he is trying to connect to this asteroid. if that doesnt feel like a huuuugggeee stretch, you will not be able to doscern between what seems ture or plausible and what you want to be true.
@@darlingimscared Actually, they are pretty sure it's recent. A jagged base found by ice-penetrating radar has determined it is much more recent, as ice would have eroded that over time. Sediment has also matched the discoveries.
@Rupprecht Kurt Hasselbuttelmann-Fitzmeisterjaeger this research is in accurate. Unless you invite Armenoligsts to research Gopeke humanity will NEVER understand the treasure they find. Never.
Graham Hancock has always struck me as a man devoted to seeking the truth unlike many in the establishment scholars who are more interested in protecting their ivory tower and their overblown ego.
TED, this disclaimer makes you part of the problem many professionals face when trying to inform others of the facts of history. If you like this talk, also look for talks by Randell Carlson, his talks are not on TED and are not subject to this kind of censorship. Great talk Graham Hancock, thank you
So patronizing with this joke disclaimer. Thank you Graham Hancock for this talk and all of your work. TED...you lost me as a fan when you tried to sensor Rupert Sheldrake and Graham.
Gilmaris: What are you so worked up about? Are you aware of any specific "counterfactual" statements made in this talk? I'm legitimately interested. Enlighten us, por favor.
Did you just accuse me of being "worked up" to pre-empt any accusation of you of being just that? Sure, ignore Hancock's ignoble track record. I'm not going to re-watch this video to dig up specifics, but he speaks of a cataclysmic extinction event some 10,000 years ago, doesn't he? And as I recall he doesn't present it as his hypothesis, but rather he presents it as fact. Not only is he in error for doing so, but there really is no evidence which points to an extinction event the way he presents it. Extinction events simply do not take place the way he claims. Even sudden extinction events take several thousand years. The Jurassic extinction event was sudden because it "only" lasted 10,000 years. Why, we are currently in an extinction event right now. What Hancock mistakes for a cataclysm is the simple fact that the glaciers - which started melting some 10,000 years ago - have wreaked havoc with the archaeological record _prior_ to that point in time. But if there were some grand civilization way back when, we would still expect to see the signs of their construction - and also their pollution. But ever wishing to present fantasy as fact, Hancock instead accuses the mainstream scholars of dishonesty.
Perhaps you make the mistake of thinking "advanced civilization" must mean technological advancement to our current level with airplanes and stuff... All Hancock posited was there is evidence for civilization on par with Sumerian or Egyptian tech some 4-5000 years before they're supposed to be there. This shouldn't be so hard to wrap your head around, especially with the unearthing of Gopleki Tepi.
I came to the comments to complain about the disclaimer in the video and description but it seems like everyone else has done it lmao. Glad to see that everyone is with Graham and his brilliant research.
Luckily... we still prefer to think for ourselves.... pretty much all of the world's informal dissemination is controlled by a left leaning, global elite group of dictstors. The truth about our history is hidden from everyone deliberately.. so we can be controlled and doing only the things we are instructed to do. The problem is... we are the majority and we refuse to be ruled by deception.
Why do you think they are? Surely you cant say that you have experienced this personally. I am happy to be corrected but what makes you say this and apart from saying something like "its just a known fact" or "I wont waste my time with sheep like you" tell me what makes you say this apart from hearing it from Hancock.
Yeah I like he is so inquisitive and disasstified by our neatly packaged histories. He predicted we will find older than Sumer, he wasn't wrong, I think more will be revealed with time
Graham Hancock does have a short fuse, however, when he is put in the same room with skeptics like Michael Shermer. He gets irritable easily too; probably because he no longer smokes weed all day long anymore.
@@crazycutz8072 Absolutely agree, just because Hancock comes up with a cockamamie hypotheses with nothing to support the claims does not mean it's true or has any basis in reality.
AD Drage maybe you didn't listen to.... there are several archeological and geological evidence that show civilazed culture before the typical Sumerian Egyptian Incas etc...
@@giakon1Maybe you missed the part where he discussed Gobleki Tepe, which is now proven to predate the typical Sumerian, Egyptian, Inca, etc. Do try to catch up.
@Nick Nack This is false. Everyone, don't take this guy's word at face value. There are quite a few scientific papers, that show the opposite is true, including a much earlier year being possible. There have been a series of papers released by diehard critics in the academic community that are not based on sound science and cannot be reproduced. Just like Monsanto and Cantox collaborated successfully to get glyphosate labeled as non-cancerous with ghostwritten papers based on junk science (we have their internal emails to prove this), so too are these papers expressly written for the purpose of demolishing evidence supporting this theory, published by those whose whole careers would fall apart if they were wrong.
@Nick Nack - Too much ancient use of Roundup in the Sahara, maybe? No need to be too dogmatic on either side. Studies and evolution are proceeding apace. Patience, Grasshoppa.
Ted talks is as well about money, if they allow what the elite doesn't want, they won't get the funds anymore and therefore are silencing Graham just for the money
NOTE TO TED: Please be aware that this talk does NOT contain outdated and counterfactual assertions, and should be understood as a representation of modern scholarship on ancient civilizations.
It seems as if the good people at TED do not approve of our desire that they respect the theories of Graham Hancock. Wonder what they think of Randal Carlson over at GeoCosmicRex, and his classes showing the impact sites that resulted from the meteors hitting the 2-3 mile thick ice-sheet?
Richard van you hit the nail right on the head..........come on TEDx you still haven't taken your disclaimer down......don't you think it's about time!
Science disproves itself constantly that's is how science works. But only based on solid evidence. Even Stephen hawking now disproves a lot of his earlier work with no embarrassment, that proves his credentials. There is no such thing as status quo in science just evidence based theories peer reviewed and debated. This one failed countless debates so gets a disclaimer not censorship. You make your own mind up.
@@fukmybut So you say the statement, that slaves built the Pyramids with hammer and meisel so they could bury fancy people in them, is "evidence based theories peer reviewd and debated"? Because thats what they teach in school till today. Lets debate on that bro go ahead.
Note to TED: It is obvious through the disclaimer and previous sensoring of alternative thinking guests, you are truly part of an old paradigm of thinking.
The note from Ted in the description makes me believe Graham more and now I'm searching for more of his work. Anytime the "establishment" tries to dissuade someone, you know you're over the target on something they don't want you to know.
I love the old WW2 bomber quote that goes ‘You know you’re over the target when you start taking flack!’ You know you’re onto something when the establishment comes after you, and they’re definitely after Graham.
Ah the Classic “everyone says I’m wrong so they must be hiding a global conspiracy” argument. The note from Ted is just letting you know this guy blatantly ignores evidence that detracts from his hypothesis. He doesn’t follow any standard of historiographical practices, that’s why he’s ignored and why there is a disclaimer. Because he LIES.
pretty sure the idea of a preflood civilisation is worth exploring further. underwater ruins will be what new achaelogists of 21st centuries need to be exploring.
I don't know how many hours / days I've spent watching you speak on a whole variety of subjects Mr. Hancock. Every second was worth it. Thank you for your dedication and incredible attention to detail involved in your research.
NOTE to TED: I disagree with your notice, your notice is erroneous and not scientific, we must not stand in the way of historical, archaeological and scientific research and evidence. When science breaks ground we have no choice but to follow the science and not TEDx's opinions. Thank you.
There's a sucker born every minute" was a saying in the 19th century about P.T Barnum being able to trick people into believing in nonsense.....and the ability continues into the internet age. The “alternative history” videos on RUclips by Graham Hancock, Brien Foerster, UnchartedX and others like them are the proof. 1. The "q" cult people got scammed using the internet because they had faith in what they were being told. 2. Mega-churches and televangelists scam people out of their money using their faith as the main tool. 3. Politicians lie and scam the public over and over and over...and yet they keep getting voted back into office. 4. In the movie The Wizard of Oz, the traveling elixir salesman that Dorothy meets just before the tornado hits her house becomes the wizard in her dream, scamming the people of Oz to maintain his power over them. 5. Back in the mid to late 1800s, scammers were selling fake medicinal elixirs to inexperienced people. There is one of them portrayed in the movie The Outlaw Josey Wales. 6. Fake Indian call centers scam inexperienced people on the phone every day. 7. Scammers from Nigeria scam old people using phone calls also. >>>>The world is full of scammers…and inexperienced people getting scammed by them. My advice: Get yourself a passport, travel to see the sites in person...and watch what actual educated scholars have to say about ancient history and ancient sites such as in Egypt. If you still have an open mind and the intellectual courage & curiosity to challenge yourself and what you think you already know...you might surprise yourself by listening to them. Most of you guys who fall for the "mystery mongers" on RUclips are simply more interested in the feeling of excitement you get out of believing in the "unsolved mysteries" and "lost civilizations" you are told about. You can't bring yourselves to watch anything that might spoil the fun...and so you will look away or attack me. However, for those who actually want to know more and still have your ability to open your mind intact...on my own RUclips page is an ongoing list of lectures on ancient Egypt... right now it's at 117 lectures...weeks worth of listening, learning and watching....and each one delivered by educated scholars who have actually studied Egypt's history in universities for many years...which is more than I can say for the people like Graham who survive financially off of inexperienced people who buy their books...most of whom don't even own a passport. >Believers in Santa Claus have faith in the words of their parents. >Those who follow the Abrahamic religions have faith in ancient texts. >Mormons have faith in the written words of an American scam artist, Joseph Smith. >Scientologists have faith in the written words of L. Ron Hubbard. >Charlie Manson’s cult had faith in Charlie Manson. >Those who believe what Graham Hancock tells them have faith in Graham Hancock. >Those who believe what Brien Foerster tells them have faith in Brien Foerster. >Those who believe what the guy on Uncharted X tells them have faith in what he tells them. >Those who believe in Edward Casey’s miracles have faith in the words of those who claim those miracles happened. >Those who believe in "advanced ancient technology" and a “worldwide pre-flood culture” have faith in the book authors they heard that information from…whether it was on RUclips, Facebook, TV or in a book. >Ancient Astronaut theorists have faith in the words of people like Zecharia Sitchin and the words of TV personalities like Giorgio A. Tsoukalos. >Those who believe in an ancient race of giants have faith in the people claiming they once existed. >Those who believe in the things being said on the RUclips channel known as "Mudfossil University" have faith in the words of Roger Spurr. “Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt.” ― Richard Feynman Science actually claims very little. Science is simply a method of discovery that uses peer reviewed experiments and evidence to examine theories and determine truths. When new experiments produce new found truths, science moves to support those new truths. That’s all science really does. I rely on the method of science, because I am a rational human being. Good Luck.
@@davidleomorley889 - What does ancient *HISTORY* have to do with the Younger Dryas? History begins with *written* texts. Your rant is one that does not directly address the topics described here and attempts to attack the people asking questions. It is an Ad-Hominem attack. That is *not* the "method of science."
@@CARPB147 Today, there are two basic ways to come to "believe" in things. One is by being rational and the other is by acting simply on faith in someone. >Being rational means examining the available evidence about the subject and listening to the educated professionals in the specific field of study who have examined it in detail and who have conducted experiments on it. Theories are usually presented first by writing a paper explaining their theory and the specific experiments they used to make it. Once the paper has been presented, their peers examine it and replicate the experiments which were used. New experiments are conducted and sometimes people disagree about issues for long periods of time. However, if a theory does survive everyone’s scrutiny, it eventually moves forward and is accepted by more and more of the rational people in that society. This process is called science. This is how Einstein's theory of relativity was presented…and how it survives yet today. >Acting on faith requires no real evidence, only the belief in one person’s idea or the beliefs and ideas of a small group of people, who are making a specific claim. Their claims can’t stand up to their peer's scrutiny or experiments, but it doesn't matter to those of faith who still believe and defend them.....because that IS the essence of what faith is. Like the opinions spoken by the ancient oracles, the words they are speaking are seen as being unquestionably true by the faithful. Again, that’s how faith works. The people who believe what Graham Hancock tells them...have faith in Graham Hancock.
@@CARPB147 You: "What does ancient HISTORY have to do with the Younger Dryas? " Me: The Younger Dryas is a scientifically recorded period in the earth's history in which the northern hemisphere suddenly became cold again, like the ice ages that preceded it, lasting for about 1000 years before quickly warming back up again.
@@davidleomorley889 - Does anyone need any more "truisms" here? Platitudes and banal rants are uninteresting and not particularly compelling. Anything *specific* about the *content* (rather than Ad-Hominem attacks and innuendos) that you have an issue with?
holy shit TED you are doing a major disservice with your nonsense disclaimers. Graham says nothing over-speculative and cites his facts with inquisitiveness and true spirit of what I thought your institution stood for. Thanks nonetheless for hosting this but consider removing the information-suppressing spin of doubt that your annotations cause for all those entering this video page.
That's not true I have read several of his books, his massively long books that spend five pages describing his journey, and they are highly speculative non academic works.
“Science in the twenty-first century does NOT encourage scientists to take risks in their pursuit of “the facts”-particularly when those facts call into question long-established notions” ― Graham Hancock
Graham has a really good argument about this subject. Most of all, it would explain the extinction of all of the North American mega fauna, the disappearance of the Clovis culture, the extinction of Flores Man, and many sunken cities around the world. It also would explain the 'Great Flood' stories from cultures around the world. The lack of archaeological sites would easily be explained by the sea level rise of the 2nd melting event, since most human cultures settle along waterways. When you get down to it, it just makes sense. At least 4 species of humans have had somewhat significant populations around the world for at least 25 thousand years, on every continent. After about 10 thousand years, natural forces would erase almost any trace of a civilization. Why is it so hard to believe that humans had to start over a few times?
@Derone Cerrone can you provide an example please, sir? Many of his arguments pertaining to the younger dryas impact hypothesis and its implications are based almost solely on available scientific evidence. Also, his arguments pretaining to ancient maps and sea levels are very valid, study some of the ancient maps yourself and I imagine you would come to similar conclusions. If not, explain how certain sites and islands that have been underwater for tens of thousands of years, are depicted above water on ancient maps? A certain level of advanced knowledge and the ability to traverse vast oceans and is required to perform accurate cartography. How were the ancient cartographers able to use incorporate accurate longitude into ancient maps , long before the 1800s when we were first able to measure accurate longitude? The maps speak for themselves and the implications they pose are yet to be explained scholarly. - I too, do not agree with everything Mr Hancock claims, but he is certainly asking the right questions and following a noble line of inquiry. Are we just supposed to exist in an echo chamber of agreement and not question anything that the archeologists tasked with interpreting our mysterious ancient past present to us as fact? Considering the all the megalithic sites that display precise stone cutting methods and astrological alignments, along with a myriad of other advanced and unusual feats, Is it really that preposterous to insinuate that an advanced civilisation may have existed at some point in time?
@Derone Cerrone that was such an unbelievably lazy response, you brought up nothing that strengthens your point and we’re not able to explain or even discuss any of the unusual ancient feats I brought up. You could even just say “I don’t know” and that would be a perfectly reasonable response. Because the truth is, you do not know, nor do I, nor does Graham Hancock, nor does mainstream archaeology. Archeology itself is only the act of interpretation. But at least I am using what real evidence that the ancients have left behind as a guide to what might’ve been thousands of years ago, you’re just claiming I’m wrong and providing 0 evidence or sources to back up your claim. I asked many questions, you Weren’t able to answer any. Just say you don’t know if you don’t know, theirs no shame. My claim holds more weight than yours, i am directly referencing multiple real things that back up and strengthen it. You’re just saying “you’re wrong” People like you do not do a very good job of making others believe what you claim to be true. I provided a myriad of examples and that point to what im claiming to be true, all you did was essentially say “you’re wrong and I’m right because I say so” If you’re going to debate me, at least bring some legs to stand on.
Since crater was discovered in Greenland, TED's note contains outdated and counterfactual assertions, and should not be understood as a representation of modern scholarship.
Come and check out a theory I've lain put in a recent video on my channel: 'STONE AGE COMMON SENSE: DEFINING PRINCIPLES of the MEGALITHIC CRAFT', which may go some way to shed light on those lost memories Graham touches upon here. I propose the house of history is indeed built on foundations of sand but in an unexpectedly literal sense. Be pleased for a chance to share these thoughts.
Nothing wrong with new ideas if they are presented as just that. Hancock doesn’t do this though. He implie that it is more than an idea. He has made a career of getting offended when you point out that it that his ideas are flimsy.
@Derone Cerrone lol. totally. He tries to have it both ways also. If you brush him off, you're a dogmatic sheep of some cabal of mainstream scientists who are trying to silence him. But, if you ask pointed questions about the "evidence" he provides then suddenly he's "just a journalist/writer".
Hancock has made several major predictions that were later proven to be true. He thinks outside the box and challenges the stagnation and pretentious, rigid framework that runs rampant through archeology as a whole. He’s a pioneer and an amazing mind. I love listening to this man speak.
make vague claims, then claim anything that sounds like what you said. Avoids dealing with evidence or having theories fully disproved when they aren't completed to begin with. Charlatan 101
This man is a treasure to humanity, it breaks my heart how cruel the academic community treats him. We owe it to ourselves as a species to always ask questions, embrace being open to being wrong like we once did with a universal Earth centric orbit, and to welcome any knowledge about where we came from. The Yunger Dryas impact is in the great lakes and the icebergs it ejected in a circle from the Carolinas to Utah created thousands of secondary craters. It 100% happened. The lesson should be that a globalized civilization was lost and it could happen again. We should embrace with open arms discovery and exploration into this lost historical civilization for it is part of the story of us as a species. They seemed like truly incredible people.
The recently discovered Hiawatha impact crater in Greenland contains ice dating back 12,000 years...making it the youngest impact crater on Earth. Is that enough evidence TED?
@@falconrebgo3 i don't think that was his conclusion his conclusion was that provided these findings, it's possible everything we know about the start of civilization could be wrong this may, or may not, include Atlantis but if there were massive structures and agriculture, it's not crazy to hypothesize that there was at least some civilization of some level of sophistication higher than what we'd expect 12,000 years ago and that's not nothing
@@falconrebgo3 yeah but you ask yourself why there are so many tales of huge floods from civilizations all over the world If a comet hit Greenland huge amounts of ice would melt within seconds and that would roughly be a flood of up to 12 ft
Chuck Norris . Flood stories are the only universal story with two constant ingredients; complete inundation and somebody saved. The specifics and morals vary from Gilgamesh to India and America. Water levels are much higher now than in pre-flood times so evidence of an earlier advanced civilization may well be off the coasts under water.
Charlie AnC, a 2 year old comment with 210 thumbs up (at this point) and not 1 comment on your comment....?!?! I’m thinking BS tampering. I just wanted to say that I wholeheartedly agree with your claim above. Kudos to you. 👍🏻
Gerald Hartman, You’re right. That is quite odd to see so many👍 and no comments. Weird as the video being 2 years old and we are not the only ones cruising the comments. Mind this is the first time I’ve done so ;).
The scientific method: Breakthroughs and advances come from outsiders only after they are first ridiculed, and shamed, for long enough. Credit is then attributed to insiders.
Stunned and amazed. Stunned by the"please be aware" labelling by TED, Amazed at the profound implications brought forward fearlessly by a most impressive individual.
Should TED ever have a disclaimer? Would you want a disclaimer like that for a Flat Earth theory? Is it important that big groups like TED differentiate between agreed science and non scientific speculation? and before you accuse me of being close minded, Hancock himself states that he is NOT a scientist or scholar rather just a journalist and writer.
@@AIenSmithee What is the point for Hancock to become a scholar by going through the study and reading of the many theories and materials that he himself is proving to be wrong?
@@raul.tortosa.murcia what are you even talking about? Are you trying to say that nothing can be found by doing science. That every single history book is wrong and that the only real knowledge comes from shamans. Get a grip dude. Youre being silly.
@@AIenSmithee Science can't become an religion built on indisputable dogmas. When that happens, the purpose of science is corrupted and prevents from further progress. Hancock is doing science by not letting long-established previous assumptions override the facts. True science, after all. You understood nothing, my die-hard dogmatic friend 😘
@@raul.tortosa.murcia what indisputable dogmas? You are just repeating things you’ve heard others say. Nobody is stopping Hancock, they’re just rightfully pointing out that he is not doing science. What is dogma by the way. According to Hancock it’s anyone in any field that doesn’t instantly believe his claims with no evidence. You are not a scientist and if you were you would understand why. I gaurantee you are not open minded enough to read anything pointing Hancock’s lies or ignorance with real effort. Remember buddy, nobody knows they’re in a cult till they leave it. Be honest with yourself you know it’s got all the trappings of a regular conspiracy theory. You are not open minded. You have your mind made up. My mind can be changed I bet you confirm that yours can’t be.
Wild how Plato is one of, if not the most widely respected and accredited philosophers of all time, but then when he talks about Atlantis, the explanation is “he made it up.”
Just because you respected doesn't mean you are 100% reliable 100% of the time. The use of what *only* Plato wrote about a lost island are tenuous and convenient at best.
Wilder still how you take a format which has remained consistent across his output INCLUDING the Atlantis containing Dialogues and assume that it could not possibly be just another philosophical work. Pro tip - Herodotus was a contemporary of Plato. Why would Plato have written about Atlantis as a REAL historical place while maintaining the exact same philosophical dialogue format of this earlier works when he already had a format from Herodotus to write about a separate subject matter to philosophy? The answer is simply that he didn't. Atlantis is 1 part fabrication, 1 part Greek legend/myth, and 1 part philosophical parable rolled into one and transmitted through the medium of a dialogue to obscure his hand in sparking any debate from it. Atlantis is a utopian ideal created by Plato to make a point to the Athenian elite - the perfect place for Socrates to have lived and practiced undisturbed by judgement. The Athenian army discussed in the story is basically the representation of that Athenian elite of Plato's era. This army attacks the Atlanteans and BEATS them - only for the gods to turn around and destroy them both. This is Plato outlining the trial of Socrates and his being forced to die by poison - the gods judgement is Plato trying to make the Athenian elite see that their hubris and decadence will come back to bite them.
So in other words TED promotes a morbidly obese lady to lecture everyone about how fatphobia is the real problem with being obese and not the unhealthiness of it... but this man's thesis, which he supports with scientific studies from multiple research branches, is to be dismissed and laughed at... got it. Thanks TED!
Hancock doesn't support his "thesis" with scientific studies, but _misrepresentations_ thereof. Hancock is a charlatan, as has been well known for decades.
@@dazgreensmoker669 mainstream archeaology agrees our species has been around 200k years. I do not believe we laid around all that time without any civilization just waiting for today so we could get started.
Come and check out a theory I've lain put in a recent video on my channel: 'STONE AGE COMMON SENSE: DEFINING PRINCIPLES of the MEGALITHIC CRAFT', which may go some way to shed light on those lost memories Graham touches upon here. I propose the house of history is indeed built on foundations of sand but in an unexpectedly literal sense. Be pleased for a chance to share these thoughts.
@Nick Nack I'm no archaeologist but a lot of what is said on the Joe Rogan show with Hancock and Randall Carlson is some very compelling stuff. If nothing else the underwater gallery section of hancock's website should open your mind up to possibilities. Rigid thinking authoritarians have dragged other people into their wrongness at every level from warring nations, medical science, and even academia, all trying to make people OBEY so the top dog gets theirs at the cost of everyone else. Mainstream Archaeology: no civilisation before ancient egypt, sumer? never heard of it, anyone who disagrees is insane and getting no funding. Gobekli tepe discovered: no civilisation at all before the hunter gatherers who didnt build gobekli tepe because hunter gatherers by definition dont do stonework like that. Gunung Padang discovered, possibly 30,000 years old, struggling to get it checked out. The gaffes of mainstream archaeology does not = ancient aliens or reptilians or the most unlikely of cryptids that people believe in with no evidence whatsoever
It's hard to take TED serious anymore or have any respect for them. Oh and I don't mean for having Hancock on but for their ignorant censorship. They're the opposite of what they portray themselves to be.
Great talk, Graham. You've been unjustly attacked for twenty-five years, so this talk (impossible for me to hear without headphones at 100% volume) went great in spite of the best attempts to discredit you. Recent evidence backs you up, and an overwhelming majority of commenters esteem your research FAR ABOVE those who oppose you. Big fan, Sir.
@Derone Cerrone he has the formula down right. Claim to be "just asking questions." When you don't like the answers start screaming about the conspiracy by dogmatic academics to suppress the truth. When one piece of evidence that you try to use gets de bunked then piggyback on something else in order to wave something shiny and keep people buying books. All while claiming academics are in it for the money. 1000 years ago he would have been selling splinters from the True Cross in the marketplace.
It is so refreshing that there are those out there that are making inquiries on what we can plainly see. A world wide civilization that was very similar in building techniques and was wiped out by cataclysm.
When open minded scientific enquiry threatens a so-called scientific institution, you can be sure that it's foundations are very shaky indeed... Let's celebrate the true scientific spirit of people like Graham Hancock and Rupert Sheldrake.
Having an ancient pre-Egyptian civilization which collapsed would interfere with the current progress narrative, where we move as a civilization in straight line from the cavemen to the stars. It is the progress narrative which needs revising more than anything else.
This excellent, smart and intellectual human being has been voicing this for years. It must be such a extraordinary feeling for him to see the evidence recently about a crater in Greenland. So many write him off, yet every year new evidence comes out to prove what he is saying is right. I hope he sees the day when the dogma shifts and he is truely recognised for his brilliant work as a researcher
I came to this TEDtalk by accident immediately after watching a video about NASA's dicovery of the 30km diameter impact crater under the Greenland ice sheet.
Wouldn't it make more sense for TED to include links to the alleged material that proves Hancock "outdated" and "counterfactual"? Because the more I dig into these "cataclysmic theories" of history, the more it seems like there's something to it. How about a debate between the two alleged planet histories' experts? This is fascinating stuff and I don't have a strongly formed opinion either way yet. But I sure would like to know more.
Looks like TEDx owes Graham Hancock an apology after the Greenland meteor impact site discovery. I've followed people like Graham for years now and find the information factual and interesting. Randall Carlson is another great information source on this subject.
@@CraaaaaabPeople Ah, so you are saying you don't accept evidence scientists all agree on? It's just conspiracy? What things do you accept as fact, only what you want to?
@@McShag420 no I am not, and I actually quite like Grahams work and don't hold an opinion either way. When someone mentions him in quick succession with Randal Carlson my mind immediately goes back to the JRE specials. That was all. Stop being so defensive and go back to watching Joe.
@@McShag420 I "thumbs upped" the comment before making that observation. Which would indicate I tend to agree. Perhaps you should look at things with an eye for detail instead of flying off the handle and posting at strangers.
We should never think that the knowledge that we've been taught is the absolute truth, but rather a springboard where we can change our minds when new information comes along.
There must be no barriers to freedom of inquiry ... There is no place for dogma in science. The scientist is free, and must be free to ask any question, to doubt any assertion, to seek for any evidence, to correct any errors.
Open minds open doors to knowledge, exercising wisdom to see through them. Closed minds close doors to knowledge, with the foolish keys of arrogance & ignorance blindly locking them tight. Thankyou for your knowledge & wisdom Graham.
Your pseudo-philosophical rhetoric shines a light (although, not willingly) upon the one thing that is clearly missing from both your post and the whole subject of Graham Hancock, generally: WISDOM.
Well, it's obvious where you got your dime-store wisdom from, I mean, you claim that "open minds open doors" but then go on to say "exercising wisdom to see through them." Care to explain why you would need to see through an open door? Your second sentence implies that Hancock is somehow "open minded and a seeker after knowledge" but if that was true he'd take a little time out of his globe-hopping and tropical scuba-adventures to return to college and actually learn something about the subjects he preaches on... I find it remarkable that the flaws of ignorance, foolishness and arrogance that are so often pointed out by Hancock and his sycophants when whining about mainstream researchers and Academia are precisely the attributes Hancock displays every-time he opens his mouth. Shame on you for putting financial gain above the pursuit of knowledge, Graham Hancock.
His humility and confidence in the face of ignorance are proof of the authority of his information. Thank you Graham for stepping into the lion’s den to educate the world.
"NOTE for TED: Please be aware that this talk contains modern and factual informations, and should be understood as a representation of modern scholarship coverup upon ancient civilizations." ..but thanks for sharing so many truths!
Well put! I think it's really cool how you called them out without aggression, and acknowledged the good they've done. Many need to learn that style of being, please keep it up 🙂
Note to TED: Please be aware you are censoring scientific theories. The very thing that launched ted talks, Informed sharing of knowledge, and new theories is now taboo......you lost me and my audience of Tedtalks.....and my respect, attention. Unsubscribed.
I love the way u phrased this. I am also unsubscribing- there are lots of things I would rather give my attention to than this obvious effort at censorship.
You think Graham is a scientist? WTF! the crater could be as old as a million years go and read the original research by the actual scientists who did it not Graham's cherry picking
Best explanation? Possibly Actually fact? Less so There is evidence of an impact, but not of the advanced civilization Hancock often brings up. There may be more information in the future, but we aren't in a new paradigm. We are in the interregnum.
Motor Dreadz as much as I love Graham (and do in fact agree with him), 1) it’s impossible to prove a negative, and 2) the burden of proof is on the claimant, not the skeptic.
Given the recent announcement of the discovery of the Hiawatha meteorite crater in Greenland, isn't it time that patronising disclaimer was removed from the details above?
@@cybervigilante If people weren't commenting about it, they might have removed the statement without anyone noticing, but now they would have to admit that they were wrong, and we can't have that now can we.
@Final Boss Luckily science is more resiliant because its not about being trendy and arguing for the sake of arguing, you have to put up or shut up and get your theories verified, Graham's have still failed to do so.
my favourite part is ted states "If ancient civilizations interest you, TEDx Talks contain many fascinating and well-researched talks such as:" and then offers 3 examples that have very little to do with the topic. first is an autobiographical talk by a "space archaeologist." next is a talk about ancient cave art that offers no thought about the culture that created them. and finally a talk about museums of the future for Christs sake. i'm certain in about half an hour i could find better examples to support TEDs narrow minded and slanderous preface.
I only tuned in to listen to Graham and see what else he's come up with. From the Great Pyramid to Gobekli Tepi I'm up for all of it. I know there's a great many others doing this exact same thing, but I prefer listening to Graham. He's like a favorite old professor and I'll always be a good student. 👍
He doesn’t even tell Plato’s story correctly. In Plato’s story Atlantis was at war with Athens. Athens continued and Atlantis was wiped out. That’s not civilization starting again like “children”. Also, it’s obvious the story is just an allegory. Hancock contends that Plato said the story was true, so does he believe the literal god if the sea created a continent. 🤦♂️
@@TexasTimelapse are you actually saying that in the story of Atlantis it doesn't say that is was created by Poseidon. The Criteas iterally says tha things i am saying so if thats the "wrong" book what other reference do you have to Atlantis...bud.
@@AIenSmithee this is another misconception: thinking that ancient myths and stories are allegories. In fact most of them aren't. It's just the level of interpretation of modern people (historians etc.) that is wrong
Well, they are part of the thought police, then there are "Google and Facebook" plus a few other "twitters" that don't want us underlings to anything but pay taxes and buy toys to play with. I can hardly wait for the 5G cook out that's coming for us next.
But... The video is still here. Under the official TED logo. They could have just deleted it? Could be politics being played out? Officially a 'Disclaimer'. Un-officially 'Hey look at this video everyone' (??)
@@natrelacoustix When it comes to science, presenting someone as the carrier of "outdated info" is just as bad as deleting. We are in the age where any idea that counters the consensus is automatically labelled as conspiracy theory. Look what happens to scientists who DARE to contest the theory of Anthropogenic Climate Change, they are ridiculed by the media as Conspiracy Theorist or Climate Change Denier when in fact they don't deny the climate change, just it's causes.
TED, you seriously screwed up. First, it is standard practice of "modern scholarship" to treat all involved with respect and dignity. In the video and comments above you have violated that for both the presenter and us, his audience. Plastering a warning to us across the presenter's face is an incredibly demeaning thing to do to someone who sharing his ideas and research. You also infantilize the audience, telling us what to think, or not rather not think, about the presenter's scholarship. I do not recognize you as an authority to tell me what "represents modern scholarship of ancient civilizations." And speaking of schooling us on scholarship, it's pretty hilarious (and quite unscholarly) that in the same sentence you claim the talk "contains outdated and counterfactual assertions" and offer no further details or supporting evidence to that assertion. This is a forum of ideas after all; or is that in fact a farce and we and your presenters are to kneel and kiss TED's ring?
You lost me already at your second sentence. Treat all involved with respect and dignity? You mean like Hancock's thinly veiled insinuations towards the mainstream scholarship?
Firstly two wrongs don't make a right so if you're saying that it's okay for TED to treat Graham like this just because he may have treated others badly then you've lost me too. Secondly, Graham doesn't veil or insinuate anything, he comes right out and says it. Mainstream scholarship has become quite insular and resistant to new ideas and fundamental shifts. Graham openly criticizes this.
This comment doesn't make any sense to me.. What are you trying to say? TED screwing up..(?) I've read it several times now and I just don't understand what you're trying to say.. 🙈 Is this written by a bot or something? Or is the video cut after this comment was made and now it comments something that isn't longer there? And why is this the top comment exactly?
But you don't know anything, you're just being told something you like to hear and immediately going with it. Yes, they treat you as a child, your comment above is proof they should.
So they recently discovered a crater over the arctic that measured 31 kilometers in diameter and landed around 12000 years ago, which was probably the reason to the mass extinction of life in North America and many coastal cities around the world. So this guy was right about almost everything in this video. Take the disclaimer out ted, you are doing us a disservice...
This is an absolutely fascinating TED Talk and I only hope TED doesn't misunderstand the content of this one the way they did with its predecessor... I really hope to see Graham Hancock back on JRE soon!
Trying to make Plato out as a fantasizer is a fools errand. You just need to read his other works. I have and I'm very grateful to know these writings.
How TED handled this matter made me lose all the respect I had for the event and I had tremendous respect for them for trying to reach as many as possible with varied and diverse subjects. Shame on you TED, may something greater rise from the ashes of your undoing.
here again 4 years later to fully absorbt this and listen again... 2012 and 2020 have past two years with significant meaning in the world of numbers... Congrats for Teds for keeping the faith , respecting free speech and keeping this up.
Gilmaris you again? The Hiawatha creator dates from EXACTLY when Graham suggested it would. The more recent one found is definitely older, maybe you got confused while reading with that crazy thick bias you have?!
As a geologist, I see little wrong with Graham's suggestion to consider these facts. A nice line of evidence and thought if you ask me. The censorship of this talk is, well frankly, pretty shame full.
Thanks for speaking out!
look up his seminars with Randall Carlson, i think you'll find them very intriguing as a geologist
Mohammad Levy, the video was presented, ergo, not censored but they *did* disavow any connection or association with him or his hypotheses.
@@L98fiero Although It is arrogantly targeting credibility of objective facts dude
@@lewisj.9903 The problem is that many of Hancock's facts aren't objectively correct, some are wrong and some are taken out of context.
Lol you'd think Graham was proposing that greek myths are historical fact based on the lengths to which TED goes to diminish/separate themselves from him and his views. I feel like people have made much more outlandish assertions with much more welcome from TED.
Interestingly enough ... the myths of yore are probably more truth than fever dreams or magic mushroom induced visions.
Like excusing paedophilia.
Well, until the digs on the site of ancient Troy, scholars though that Homer was mere fantasy.
Adam was the 1st person in TIME, because he came up with the plan to map The Stars, & hence create time. You know this is the 'Papyrus of Hunefer', but they called it the inception & completion of the marriage of time & light. Basically the invention of time. Have more if interested. @Nephthy14216684 Osiris could not sit on his throne until it was complete
Yes, this "falls outside TEDx's curatorial guidelines" but talks about the Universe being a giant computer simulation are within those "guidelines"? **
Should probably remove the disclaimer now that NASA and National Geographic have located the 12 mile wide impact crater, that's 12,000 years old in Greenland.
The likely source of the impact proxies he's speaking of.
It has yet to be proven to be 12,000 years old. You're just as bad as TED.
@@lawrenceworrell591 Already been proven
@@blznft9513 Yes, you are right on the money. It has been proven, and still, the 'requiem' academics are trying to fuzzy this into the bad-science hall of blame. I literally had one back and forth with me about 6-7 times trying to dissuade me of my faith in Graham Hancock and Randal Carlson.
And Randal Carlson at GeoCosmicRex classes has found several other sites that fit the time, place, and geology of those meteor impacts. North East of the tip of Vancouver Island on the mainland you will see that the mountains show where a huge impact on the ice-sheet took place. It is one of those things that jumps out at you, once you know why it is, as it is. But, yes... that disclaimer is the least that they should do for the man that saw the writing on the megalithic polygonal stone walls. Peace,
@@blznft9513 Proven to be of an age possibly as high as 3 million years. So doesn't really help Hancock's case.
Give this man 100 mil, 5 large boats, 5 teams of experts, top equipment, 5 mini subs and let’s rap this thing up shall we.
not to mention a team to explore under the pyramids and sphinx in Egypt, and then Antarctica.... I'd trust his opinions on those too
the name that comes to mind is Elon musk ;)
@@bunch_o_racket Science is not based on trust. OMG, that's the most unintelligent statement I've seen on this video full of unscientific BS.
@@selwynr ever heard of following your gut, but you probably don’t believe that human beings can have hunches, unexplainable thoughts and feeling that guide you towards awnsers.
Hows about we give him nothing.
FFS you've already made him stinking rich from book sales - why does he need more?!
He certainly hasn't spent any of that on excavations.
He only takes from archaeologists, he gives nothing back.
I always think of Galileo Galilei when I hear Graham Hancock.
Keep up the good work Graham
Galileo's work was scientifically and mathematically based. it wasnt rejected by scientists. It was rejected by the Church because it was inconsistent with their views that the Earth is the centre of the universe. The Church utterly rejected anything based on actual measurements because they considered the Earth to be a fallen realm and that therefore any earthly measurements wre meaningless. There is no parallel between Galileo and modern-day crackpots like this guy and his speculations.
I almost didn't watch this due to the TEDx note. I'm glad I watched. As a geologist I found his research and presentation credible.
Graham may not be a traditionally educated scientist of any kind, but he does work with plenty of tenured and level-headed scientists, because he knows it is necessary to explaining these hypothesis. I am glad to see your comment and those of other scientists that can find no fault in what he represents. Graham definitely has some hypothesis that do not agree with modern science, but he only presents them as his own fantasy. This talk was purely data.
Try reading his books, they are more than you could imagine.
You are not a geologist. Nobody believes you
@@elohellol8481 When you say "Nobody." You mean, yourself. You cannot know the minds of others.
@@elohellol8481 I must be "nobody". Lol!
The work of Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson, John Anthony West (RIP) and Robert Schoch has opened my eyes to fantastic worlds of knowledge.
Watch the Joe rogan podcast with Graham and Randall. It's awesome
I agree but I think alligators are more related to Dinosaurs instead of chickens but I also see his perspective because we've been lied to for a millennium that dinosaurs didn't have feathers until that information got leaked to the media at a far later date.
@@yourdaddy.956 crocodiles had reptile ancestors who were very similar before the dinosaurs and haven't change much since.
Birds are definitely dinosaurs they have the same adaption for hollow bones we see in dinosaurs, we find some extremely well feathered small dinosaurs that could glide well and we have the missing links in early birds that looked much like dinosaurs. Birds being dinosaurs is pretty indisputable if you look at the evidence with educated eyes.
We have known some dinosaurs had feathers for a long time we just didn't realize most dinosaurs had feathers.
those are the modern heroes of Mankind
Robert Schoch willingly and knowingly appears on Ancient Aliens...how does this not hurt his credibility in your eyes?
Ted: “Ideas worth spreading”
Also Ted: “unless your ideas don’t align with ours, we’ll limit the spread”.
perfectly put!
Example: corona virus origin and interests within
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LOL!!!!
how do you explain the lack of genetic evidence, migration of food stuff, and complete lack of any archaeological record of an apparent metallurgic and sea bearing civilization?
We’re not here for TED. We’re here for Graham.
Sucker.
If you really are open minded you’ll probably come out the other end of this. Don’t feel too bad when you realize he’s full of bs. Anyone can be fooled. Nobody realizes what cults they are in till they leave them. I used to believe in ancient aliens. Embarrassing I know, but it makes me appreciate how silly we are as humans.
@@AIenSmithee Exactly.
@@AIenSmitheeokay, so elaborate. What did Graham say that you disagree with. I feel he made excellent points to contemplate.
@@davef00te If you presuppose that there was a great advanced civilisation, this talk would seem convincing to a regular person who has never spent much thought on the subject. That's not how science works, you dont presuppose the answer 12 steps down the road. He isnt letting the asteroid lead him to atlantis he is trying to connect Atlantis to the asteroid. Even if you dont beleive this, you cant deny in the very least it looks like this.
Any thing he said about the meteor/asteroid is fine. I think its healthy that scientists research this and understand why there are those that doubt it. But he does sneaky things throughout. He frames it as if there was almost a cover up to the Alvarez hypothosis. What happened was, Alvarez had a theory. This theory did not have enough evidence or crater to support it to be unanimously supported by wider science community. Some scientists had vehemet oppositions to this theory based on their evidence. The crater was discovered and so the theory picked up more traction as a plausible theory and is more widely supported in the scientific community. Sounds pretty much how any scientific discovery occurs. this is not the impression Hancock gives. He uses language to evoke a sense of a conspiracy. Instead of saying that scientists were not convinced of the evidence prior to the craters discovery he says they "refused to accept the evidence". now it almost sounds the same except that the later evokes a sense of denial. He doesnt say that Alvarez proved his theory but rather "revealed the truth". The second sentance makes it sound like his discovery was a self evident fact only held back by something nefarious. he also states that the Asteroid impact "turned Shrews into Humans and Dinosaurs into Chickens" and beleives this statement is satisfactory because of the weak disclaimer "At risk of oversimplification". Its not and oversimplication, its a purposeful emotive description to put the idea into the audience that asteroids that something mighty might have come before the asteroid he will later describe. he is trying to make the mental for the audience between mighty dinosaurs and advanced civilistaions. Its very clever the way he tries to position himself to place where he is implying that if an ancient advanced civ existed it had to be wiped out by asteroid, therefore if this impact exists, civilisation is real. Its a cool idea but its not based on any evidence. The best he can do is claim that Atlantis is real because of a singular story by Plato who was told this sory by his grandfather, who was told by Solon (300 years before Plato apparently) who was told by a preist, who said it was inscribd on a temple that was 9000 years old. This one story he is trying to connect to this asteroid. if that doesnt feel like a huuuugggeee stretch, you will not be able to doscern between what seems ture or plausible and what you want to be true.
May want to update this TED. Scientists found the crater in Greenland for the Younger Dryas Impact.
Yup!
It's nog been dated yet but yeah probably
@@darlingimscared Actually, they are pretty sure it's recent. A jagged base found by ice-penetrating radar has determined it is much more recent, as ice would have eroded that over time. Sediment has also matched the discoveries.
@@Carolevw cool, was wondering about that
PROTECT THIS MAN.
From extinction by comet?
Dinosaurs, then we know Armenians came after. Perhaps Armenians invented dinosaurs just to hunt them lol ;) jk
Google things Armenians invented.
@Rupprecht Kurt Hasselbuttelmann-Fitzmeisterjaeger this research is in accurate. Unless you invite Armenoligsts to research Gopeke humanity will NEVER understand the treasure they find. Never.
From chickens. Now they know they cant be stopped
…said his disciples.
Graham Hancock has always struck me as a man devoted to seeking the truth unlike many in the establishment scholars who are more interested in protecting their ivory tower and their overblown ego.
TED, this disclaimer makes you part of the problem many professionals face when trying to inform others of the facts of history. If you like this talk, also look for talks by Randell Carlson, his talks are not on TED and are not subject to this kind of censorship. Great talk Graham Hancock, thank you
They still haven't changed the disclaimer and it's been a year.
Hancock and Carlson both have some great podcast appearances on the Joe Rogan Experience...several in fact. Very good.
So patronizing with this joke disclaimer. Thank you Graham Hancock for this talk and all of your work. TED...you lost me as a fan when you tried to sensor Rupert Sheldrake and Graham.
TED doesn't need your kind of fans. Graham is a fraud.
Can you point to some fraudulent information for us?
Gilmaris:
What are you so worked up about? Are you aware of any specific "counterfactual" statements made in this talk?
I'm legitimately interested. Enlighten us, por favor.
Did you just accuse me of being "worked up" to pre-empt any accusation of you of being just that?
Sure, ignore Hancock's ignoble track record. I'm not going to re-watch this video to dig up specifics, but he speaks of a cataclysmic extinction event some 10,000 years ago, doesn't he? And as I recall he doesn't present it as his hypothesis, but rather he presents it as fact. Not only is he in error for doing so, but there really is no evidence which points to an extinction event the way he presents it. Extinction events simply do not take place the way he claims. Even sudden extinction events take several thousand years. The Jurassic extinction event was sudden because it "only" lasted 10,000 years. Why, we are currently in an extinction event right now.
What Hancock mistakes for a cataclysm is the simple fact that the glaciers - which started melting some 10,000 years ago - have wreaked havoc with the archaeological record _prior_ to that point in time. But if there were some grand civilization way back when, we would still expect to see the signs of their construction - and also their pollution. But ever wishing to present fantasy as fact, Hancock instead accuses the mainstream scholars of dishonesty.
Perhaps you make the mistake of thinking "advanced civilization" must mean technological advancement to our current level with airplanes and stuff...
All Hancock posited was there is evidence for civilization on par with Sumerian or Egyptian tech some 4-5000 years before they're supposed to be there. This shouldn't be so hard to wrap your head around, especially with the unearthing of Gopleki Tepi.
I came to the comments to complain about the disclaimer in the video and description but it seems like everyone else has done it lmao. Glad to see that everyone is with Graham and his brilliant research.
I'm not.
He's a threat to status quo. He's getting us closer to our true history.
@@deanwest2076 god forbid people think for themselves. Having your own brain and opinions seem to be witchcraft in this day in age.
RUclips is a safe haven for nuttos for sure, science takes a back seat to your entertainment here so hancock survives, far outside any scientifc work.
Luckily... we still prefer to think for ourselves.... pretty much all of the world's informal dissemination is controlled by a left leaning, global elite group of dictstors. The truth about our history is hidden from everyone deliberately.. so we can be controlled and doing only the things we are instructed to do. The problem is... we are the majority and we refuse to be ruled by deception.
I wish professors where like this. Intelligent yet remains open. Doesn't bully people with their intellectual politics
Our supposed intellectual class have been programmed ..
@@chrisdeason4904 were^
Why do you think they are? Surely you cant say that you have experienced this personally. I am happy to be corrected but what makes you say this and apart from saying something like "its just a known fact" or "I wont waste my time with sheep like you" tell me what makes you say this apart from hearing it from Hancock.
Yeah I like he is so inquisitive and disasstified by our neatly packaged histories. He predicted we will find older than Sumer, he wasn't wrong, I think more will be revealed with time
Graham Hancock does have a short fuse, however, when he is put in the same room with skeptics like Michael Shermer. He gets irritable easily too; probably because he no longer smokes weed all day long anymore.
TED: you should be impartial on every talk presented. As sponsor, you shouldn’t give opinions and let the listeners judge by themselves.
I agree with this
How do I upvote Graham and down-vote Ted
But buying his books so he can continue his research
Great, I will order Graham’s books.
you nailed it!
GO WATCH IT GHRAMS CHANNEL
Follow Graham's channel I guess
Outdated? More like cutting edge
The only person who can out date Graham Hancock's great information is Graham Hancock.
Yes Nick Nack but no name provided has 217 thumbs up.
@@dellingson4833 argumentum ad populum, just because many people believe something doesn't mean it's true.
@@L98fiero and just because one man belive in his own theories does not make it truth
@@crazycutz8072 Absolutely agree, just because Hancock comes up with a cockamamie hypotheses with nothing to support the claims does not mean it's true or has any basis in reality.
I only came here because TED took this talk down and due to public pressure had to take it back. Thanks Graham for your service.
They didn't take this one down. The one they took down was the talk called "The war on consciousness"
This talk does NOT contain outdated and counterfactual assertions.
AD Drage maybe you didn't listen to....
there are several archeological and geological evidence that show civilazed culture before the typical Sumerian Egyptian Incas etc...
@@giakon1Maybe you missed the part where he discussed Gobleki Tepe, which is now proven to predate the typical Sumerian, Egyptian, Inca, etc. Do try to catch up.
Roy Lavecchia ?
I said so...
the question is how far we can put forward human civilazation?
Ted Note can kiss it.
The like I left is for Graham NOT TED AND IT'S CENSORSHIP
HEY TED! HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE GREENLAND CRATER YET?
Yup! *Bright Insight* channel has great videos on the topic and others.
@Nick Nack This is false. Everyone, don't take this guy's word at face value. There are quite a few scientific papers, that show the opposite is true, including a much earlier year being possible. There have been a series of papers released by diehard critics in the academic community that are not based on sound science and cannot be reproduced. Just like Monsanto and Cantox collaborated successfully to get glyphosate labeled as non-cancerous with ghostwritten papers based on junk science (we have their internal emails to prove this), so too are these papers expressly written for the purpose of demolishing evidence supporting this theory, published by those whose whole careers would fall apart if they were wrong.
Have you heard of the crater which created the Sahara and the Himalayas?
Its included - go to the credits under the title.
@Nick Nack - Too much ancient use of Roundup in the Sahara, maybe? No need to be too dogmatic on either side. Studies and evolution are proceeding apace. Patience, Grasshoppa.
As an academic myself,
I find The cencorship from TED embarrasing and unsientific...
Ted talks is as well about money, if they allow what the elite doesn't want, they won't get the funds anymore and therefore are silencing Graham just for the money
@HanCock your pfp is graham and so is your channel name. Wtf is wrong w you dude?
@Jonnhy vanzwevezele you must be a worldwide archaeology/geologist legend . Whats your side of the story you genius?
NOTE TO TED: Please be aware that this talk does NOT contain outdated and counterfactual assertions, and should be understood as a representation of modern scholarship on ancient civilizations.
It seems as if the good people at TED do not approve of our desire that they respect the theories of Graham Hancock. Wonder what they think of Randal Carlson over at GeoCosmicRex, and his classes showing the impact sites that resulted from the meteors hitting the 2-3 mile thick ice-sheet?
Richard van you hit the nail right on the head..........come on TEDx you still haven't taken your disclaimer down......don't you think it's about time!
A representation of modern scholarship on ancient civilizations? According to whom?
@@Gilmaris to the many scholars who have now done the research at multiple sites around the globe, proving what Graham is saying here.
@@morts3451 gotta feel for those guys still not having any evidence.
Hey TED! I can make up my own mind on what I think is factual. Hancock does excellent work. Mainstream science wants to maintain the status quo.
Science disproves itself constantly that's is how science works. But only based on solid evidence. Even Stephen hawking now disproves a lot of his earlier work with no embarrassment, that proves his credentials. There is no such thing as status quo in science just evidence based theories peer reviewed and debated. This one failed countless debates so gets a disclaimer not censorship. You make your own mind up.
AVIAN ACADEMY awards and
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@@fukmybut So you say the statement, that slaves built the Pyramids with hammer and meisel so they could bury fancy people in them, is "evidence based theories peer reviewd and debated"? Because thats what they teach in school till today. Lets debate on that bro go ahead.
@@fukmybut Lets just put a disclaimer on all schoolbooks then
Note to TED: It is obvious through the disclaimer and previous sensoring of alternative thinking guests, you are truly part of an old paradigm of thinking.
The note from Ted in the description makes me believe Graham more and now I'm searching for more of his work.
Anytime the "establishment" tries to dissuade someone, you know you're over the target on something they don't want you to know.
I love the old WW2 bomber quote that goes ‘You know you’re over the target when you start taking flack!’ You know you’re onto something when the establishment comes after you, and they’re definitely after Graham.
Same! The more I see "them" go out of the way to discredit certain narratives, the more i dig in to learn more.
you should see graham hancocks talk with joe rogan . its excellent
Ah the Classic “everyone says I’m wrong so they must be hiding a global conspiracy” argument. The note from Ted is just letting you know this guy blatantly ignores evidence that detracts from his hypothesis. He doesn’t follow any standard of historiographical practices, that’s why he’s ignored and why there is a disclaimer. Because he LIES.
@@georgeson1161 trust me, hes not ignored.
pretty sure the idea of a preflood civilisation is worth exploring further. underwater ruins will be what new achaelogists of 21st centuries need to be exploring.
Satellites could do the majority of the pinpointing of sites to explore too. We have the technology ... we just need the will to use it.
Sadly, the best underwater ruins are in India, where discovery was begun and mysteriously ended quickly.
See the late December 2018 news story google: 80 pyramids Pico Azores
I don't know how many hours / days I've spent watching you speak on a whole variety of subjects Mr. Hancock. Every second was worth it. Thank you for your dedication and incredible attention to detail involved in your research.
@Skinny, young and attractive 82 to 2 here, brother...and 1 of those might be you
"THOSE WHO ARE ABLE TO SEE BEYOND THE SHADOWS AND LIES OF THEIR CULTURE WILL NEVER BE UNDERSTOOD, LET ALONE BELIEVED, BY THE MASSES."
PLATO 427-347 BC
NOTE to TED: I disagree with your notice, your notice is erroneous and not scientific, we must not stand in the way of historical, archaeological and scientific research and evidence. When science breaks ground we have no choice but to follow the science and not TEDx's opinions. Thank you.
There's a sucker born every minute" was a saying in the 19th century about P.T Barnum being able to trick people into believing in nonsense.....and the ability continues into the internet age. The “alternative history” videos on RUclips by Graham Hancock, Brien Foerster, UnchartedX and others like them are the proof.
1. The "q" cult people got scammed using the internet because they had faith in what they were being told.
2. Mega-churches and televangelists scam people out of their money using their faith as the main tool.
3. Politicians lie and scam the public over and over and over...and yet they keep getting voted back into office.
4. In the movie The Wizard of Oz, the traveling elixir salesman that Dorothy meets just before the tornado hits her house becomes the wizard in her dream, scamming the people of Oz to maintain his power over them.
5. Back in the mid to late 1800s, scammers were selling fake medicinal elixirs to inexperienced people. There is one of them portrayed in the movie The Outlaw Josey Wales.
6. Fake Indian call centers scam inexperienced people on the phone every day.
7. Scammers from Nigeria scam old people using phone calls also.
>>>>The world is full of scammers…and inexperienced people getting scammed by them.
My advice: Get yourself a passport, travel to see the sites in person...and watch what actual educated scholars have to say about ancient history and ancient sites such as in Egypt.
If you still have an open mind and the intellectual courage & curiosity to challenge yourself and what you think you already know...you might surprise yourself by listening to them.
Most of you guys who fall for the "mystery mongers" on RUclips are simply more interested in the feeling of excitement you get out of believing in the "unsolved mysteries" and "lost civilizations" you are told about. You can't bring yourselves to watch anything that might spoil the fun...and so you will look away or attack me.
However, for those who actually want to know more and still have your ability to open your mind intact...on my own RUclips page is an ongoing list of lectures on ancient Egypt... right now it's at 117 lectures...weeks worth of listening, learning and watching....and each one delivered by educated scholars who have actually studied Egypt's history in universities for many years...which is more than I can say for the people like Graham who survive financially off of inexperienced people who buy their books...most of whom don't even own a passport.
>Believers in Santa Claus have faith in the words of their parents.
>Those who follow the Abrahamic religions have faith in ancient texts.
>Mormons have faith in the written words of an American scam artist, Joseph Smith.
>Scientologists have faith in the written words of L. Ron Hubbard.
>Charlie Manson’s cult had faith in Charlie Manson.
>Those who believe what Graham Hancock tells them have faith in Graham Hancock.
>Those who believe what Brien Foerster tells them have faith in Brien Foerster.
>Those who believe what the guy on Uncharted X tells them have faith in what he tells them.
>Those who believe in Edward Casey’s miracles have faith in the words of those who claim those miracles happened.
>Those who believe in "advanced ancient technology" and a “worldwide pre-flood culture” have faith in the book authors they heard that information from…whether it was on RUclips, Facebook, TV or in a book.
>Ancient Astronaut theorists have faith in the words of people like Zecharia Sitchin and the words of TV personalities like Giorgio A. Tsoukalos.
>Those who believe in an ancient race of giants have faith in the people claiming they once existed.
>Those who believe in the things being said on the RUclips channel known as "Mudfossil University" have faith in the words of Roger Spurr.
“Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt.”
― Richard Feynman
Science actually claims very little. Science is simply a method of discovery that uses peer reviewed experiments and evidence to examine theories and determine truths.
When new experiments produce new found truths, science moves to support those new truths. That’s all science really does.
I rely on the method of science, because I am a rational human being.
Good Luck.
@@davidleomorley889 - What does ancient *HISTORY* have to do with the Younger Dryas? History begins with *written* texts. Your rant is one that does not directly address the topics described here and attempts to attack the people asking questions. It is an Ad-Hominem attack. That is *not* the "method of science."
@@CARPB147
Today, there are two basic ways to come to "believe" in things. One is by being rational and the other is by acting simply on faith in someone.
>Being rational means examining the available evidence about the subject and listening to the educated professionals in the specific field of study who have examined it in detail and who have conducted experiments on it.
Theories are usually presented first by writing a paper explaining their theory and the specific experiments they used to make it. Once the paper has been presented, their peers examine it and replicate the experiments which were used. New experiments are conducted and sometimes people disagree about issues for long periods of time. However, if a theory does survive everyone’s scrutiny, it eventually moves forward and is accepted by more and more of the rational people in that society.
This process is called science.
This is how Einstein's theory of relativity was presented…and how it survives yet today.
>Acting on faith requires no real evidence, only the belief in one person’s idea or the beliefs and ideas of a small group of people, who are making a specific claim. Their claims can’t stand up to their peer's scrutiny or experiments, but it doesn't matter to those of faith who still believe and defend them.....because that IS the essence of what faith is.
Like the opinions spoken by the ancient oracles, the words they are speaking are seen as being unquestionably true by the faithful.
Again, that’s how faith works.
The people who believe what Graham Hancock tells them...have faith in Graham Hancock.
@@CARPB147
You: "What does ancient HISTORY have to do with the Younger Dryas? "
Me: The Younger Dryas is a scientifically recorded period in the earth's history in which the northern hemisphere suddenly became cold again, like the ice ages that preceded it, lasting for about 1000 years before quickly warming back up again.
@@davidleomorley889 - Does anyone need any more "truisms" here? Platitudes and banal rants are uninteresting and not particularly compelling. Anything *specific* about the *content* (rather than Ad-Hominem attacks and innuendos) that you have an issue with?
holy shit TED you are doing a major disservice with your nonsense disclaimers. Graham says nothing over-speculative and cites his facts with inquisitiveness and true spirit of what I thought your institution stood for. Thanks nonetheless for hosting this but consider removing the information-suppressing spin of doubt that your annotations cause for all those entering this video page.
Ted doesn't understand the Streisand Effect.
TedX has to disclaim Ghram’s lectures or they would pay the price to the establishment .
C o n s c i o u s n e s s
That's not true I have read several of his books, his massively long books that spend five pages describing his journey, and they are highly speculative non academic works.
John H
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“Science in the twenty-first century does NOT encourage scientists to take risks in their pursuit of “the facts”-particularly when those facts call into question long-established notions”
― Graham Hancock
Try Robert Sepehr channel and his Atlantean Gardens channel -you will not be disappoinTED
Graham has a really good argument about this subject. Most of all, it would explain the extinction of all of the North American mega fauna, the disappearance of the Clovis culture, the extinction of Flores Man, and many sunken cities around the world. It also would explain the 'Great Flood' stories from cultures around the world. The lack of archaeological sites would easily be explained by the sea level rise of the 2nd melting event, since most human cultures settle along waterways. When you get down to it, it just makes sense. At least 4 species of humans have had somewhat significant populations around the world for at least 25 thousand years, on every continent. After about 10 thousand years, natural forces would erase almost any trace of a civilization. Why is it so hard to believe that humans had to start over a few times?
Because then we would have to consider the possibility that we might have a reset button aswell
@@zerorez420 I put my cousin on to Graham the other day and he said the same thing lol
@Derone Cerrone quite the contrary, that would be the job of mainstream archeology.
@Derone Cerrone can you provide an example please, sir?
Many of his arguments pertaining to the younger dryas impact hypothesis and its implications are based almost solely on available scientific evidence.
Also, his arguments pretaining to ancient maps and sea levels are very valid, study some of the ancient maps yourself and I imagine you would come to similar conclusions.
If not, explain how certain sites and islands that have been underwater for tens of thousands of years, are depicted above water on ancient maps? A certain level of advanced knowledge and the ability to traverse vast oceans and is required to perform accurate cartography. How were the ancient cartographers able to use incorporate accurate longitude into ancient maps , long before the 1800s when we were first able to measure accurate longitude?
The maps speak for themselves and the implications they pose are yet to be explained scholarly.
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I too, do not agree with everything Mr Hancock claims, but he is certainly asking the right questions and following a noble line of inquiry.
Are we just supposed to exist in an echo chamber of agreement and not question anything that the archeologists tasked with interpreting our mysterious ancient past present to us as fact?
Considering the all the megalithic sites that display precise stone cutting methods and astrological alignments, along with a myriad of other advanced and unusual feats, Is it really that preposterous to insinuate that an advanced civilisation may have existed at some point in time?
@Derone Cerrone that was such an unbelievably lazy response, you brought up nothing that strengthens your point and we’re not able to explain or even discuss any of the unusual ancient feats I brought up. You could even just say “I don’t know” and that would be a perfectly reasonable response. Because the truth is, you do not know, nor do I, nor does Graham Hancock, nor does mainstream archaeology.
Archeology itself is only the act of interpretation.
But at least I am using what real evidence that the ancients have left behind as a guide to what might’ve been thousands of years ago, you’re just claiming I’m wrong and providing 0 evidence or sources to back up your claim. I asked many questions, you Weren’t able to answer any. Just say you don’t know if you don’t know, theirs no shame.
My claim holds more weight than yours, i am directly referencing multiple real things that back up and strengthen it. You’re just saying “you’re wrong”
People like you do not do a very good job of making others believe what you claim to be true. I provided a myriad of examples and that point to what im claiming to be true, all you did was essentially say “you’re wrong and I’m right because I say so”
If you’re going to debate me, at least bring some legs to stand on.
When I watch and hear things like this it makes me feel so much more connected to Who We Are, and how we got here
It's the gut feeling, because inside yourself you feel and perceive this as a truth. And it's the right way.
WHOO! MYSTERIOUS!
Bravo, Graham Hancock. 👏🏼👏🏼
Thank you for sharing your work with the People. TedX, delete your senseless disclaimers. People are waking up.
If people were waking up, they'd get an education and not be taken in by con-artsts.
@@granthurlburt4062 hopefully will wake up. Best regards.
Not in your house, they aren't.
Since crater was discovered in Greenland, TED's note contains outdated and counterfactual assertions, and should not be understood as a representation of modern scholarship.
Roger Furer YES!!! 😂
Indeed!! :-D
Roger Furer: ha ha, Amen, Roger. Maybe TED will remove that silly “WARNING” now. When “America Before” comes out, please have Hancock back, TED!!!
Yup. If people want some great videos on it, *Bright Insight* channel has some with cited sources.
Alien Ami I love Bright Insight!
Graham back on TED? About goddamn time.
Now more than ever
What a closed-minded note from Ted. If new ideas are not seriously considered, how are we to expand?
Come and check out a theory I've lain put in a recent video on my channel: 'STONE AGE COMMON SENSE: DEFINING PRINCIPLES of the MEGALITHIC CRAFT', which may go some way to shed light on those lost memories Graham touches upon here. I propose the house of history is indeed built on foundations of sand but in an unexpectedly literal sense.
Be pleased for a chance to share these thoughts.
Nothing wrong with new ideas if they are presented as just that. Hancock doesn’t do this though. He implie that it is more than an idea. He has made a career of getting offended when you point out that it that his ideas are flimsy.
@Derone Cerrone lol. totally. He tries to have it both ways also. If you brush him off, you're a dogmatic sheep of some cabal of mainstream scientists who are trying to silence him. But, if you ask pointed questions about the "evidence" he provides then suddenly he's "just a journalist/writer".
@Derone Cerrone which theories? I would like to check It out.
@@AIenSmithee Then what parts are the truth and how do you know? I'm trying to learn more about ancient history.
Hancock has made several major predictions that were later proven to be true. He thinks outside the box and challenges the stagnation and pretentious, rigid framework that runs rampant through archeology as a whole. He’s a pioneer and an amazing mind. I love listening to this man speak.
Completely agree!
make vague claims, then claim anything that sounds like what you said. Avoids dealing with evidence or having theories fully disproved when they aren't completed to begin with. Charlatan 101
Wrong about the end of the world in 2012 tho 😂
No he hasn't. He has never proven anything at all.
Emma are you scared ?
You might want to take back your disclaimer now that the Greenland crater has been confirmed. Correlating all this evidence Hancock presented XD
Pretty hilarious. Anything with disclaimers like this makes me more interested in the info though, because it must be good! haha.
So true they cant keep hiding the truth from the general public
Yup!
Someone needs to get a date on that crater asap
It is a mark of true science that it can predict future findings like this.
He’s not only an excellent speaker, he’s an equally excellent writer!
@A damn smart guy you can't find one thing he says that is false
This man is a treasure to humanity, it breaks my heart how cruel the academic community treats him. We owe it to ourselves as a species to always ask questions, embrace being open to being wrong like we once did with a universal Earth centric orbit, and to welcome any knowledge about where we came from.
The Yunger Dryas impact is in the great lakes and the icebergs it ejected in a circle from the Carolinas to Utah created thousands of secondary craters. It 100% happened. The lesson should be that a globalized civilization was lost and it could happen again.
We should embrace with open arms discovery and exploration into this lost historical civilization for it is part of the story of us as a species. They seemed like truly incredible people.
we do not need a warning TED Hancock is a writer not a pack of cigarettes
Love your reply!
This is number one comment
This was so perfect.
you lost Us at "we"
The recently discovered Hiawatha impact crater in Greenland contains ice dating back 12,000 years...making it the youngest impact crater on Earth. Is that enough evidence TED?
But that impact is not evidence of a lost advance civilization
@@falconrebgo3 i don't think that was his conclusion
his conclusion was that provided these findings, it's possible everything we know about the start of civilization could be wrong
this may, or may not, include Atlantis
but if there were massive structures and agriculture, it's not crazy to hypothesize that there was at least some civilization of some level of sophistication higher than what we'd expect 12,000 years ago
and that's not nothing
@@nafisdelacruz9703 Nice
@@falconrebgo3 yeah but you ask yourself why there are so many tales of huge floods from civilizations all over the world
If a comet hit Greenland huge amounts of ice would melt within seconds and that would roughly be a flood of up to 12 ft
Chuck Norris . Flood stories are the only universal story with two constant ingredients; complete inundation and somebody saved. The specifics and morals vary from Gilgamesh to India and America. Water levels are much higher now than in pre-flood times so evidence of an earlier advanced civilization may well be off the coasts under water.
Graham is an absolute treasure. More and more evidence is coming forward every year in support of what he and others are finding to be true.
Try Robert Sepehr channel and his Atlantean Gardens channel -you will not be disappoinTED
@A damn smart guy Theres plenty of science. Check out his podcast episodes with Joe Rogan and his overlap with Randall Carlson.
@Higher understanding He's a writer. He's presenting the findings and theories of others.
TED only discredits themselves with that non sense disclaimer...
Charlie AnC, a 2 year old comment with 210 thumbs up (at this point) and not 1 comment on your comment....?!?!
I’m thinking BS tampering.
I just wanted to say that I wholeheartedly agree with your claim above. Kudos to you. 👍🏻
Gerald Hartman, You’re right. That is quite odd to see so many👍 and no comments. Weird as the video being 2 years old and we are not the only ones cruising the comments. Mind this is the first time I’ve done so ;).
The scientific method: Breakthroughs and advances come from outsiders only after they are first ridiculed, and shamed, for long enough. Credit is then attributed to insiders.
Stunned and amazed. Stunned by the"please be aware" labelling by TED, Amazed at the profound implications brought forward fearlessly by a most impressive individual.
Should TED ever have a disclaimer? Would you want a disclaimer like that for a Flat Earth theory? Is it important that big groups like TED differentiate between agreed science and non scientific speculation? and before you accuse me of being close minded, Hancock himself states that he is NOT a scientist or scholar rather just a journalist and writer.
@@AIenSmithee What is the point for Hancock to become a scholar by going through the study and reading of the many theories and materials that he himself is proving to be wrong?
@@raul.tortosa.murcia what are you even talking about? Are you trying to say that nothing can be found by doing science. That every single history book is wrong and that the only real knowledge comes from shamans. Get a grip dude. Youre being silly.
@@AIenSmithee Science can't become an religion built on indisputable dogmas. When that happens, the purpose of science is corrupted and prevents from further progress. Hancock is doing science by not letting long-established previous assumptions override the facts. True science, after all. You understood nothing, my die-hard dogmatic friend 😘
@@raul.tortosa.murcia what indisputable dogmas? You are just repeating things you’ve heard others say. Nobody is stopping Hancock, they’re just rightfully pointing out that he is not doing science. What is dogma by the way. According to Hancock it’s anyone in any field that doesn’t instantly believe his claims with no evidence. You are not a scientist and if you were you would understand why. I gaurantee you are not open minded enough to read anything pointing Hancock’s lies or ignorance with real effort. Remember buddy, nobody knows they’re in a cult till they leave it. Be honest with yourself you know it’s got all the trappings of a regular conspiracy theory. You are not open minded. You have your mind made up. My mind can be changed I bet you confirm that yours can’t be.
Wild how Plato is one of, if not the most widely respected and accredited philosophers of all time, but then when he talks about Atlantis, the explanation is “he made it up.”
Just because you respected doesn't mean you are 100% reliable 100% of the time. The use of what *only* Plato wrote about a lost island are tenuous and convenient at best.
@@Mogwai786 Yes because Plato is the only one who had the idea of an ancient civilization being lost in a great deluge..
Wilder still how you take a format which has remained consistent across his output INCLUDING the Atlantis containing Dialogues and assume that it could not possibly be just another philosophical work.
Pro tip - Herodotus was a contemporary of Plato.
Why would Plato have written about Atlantis as a REAL historical place while maintaining the exact same philosophical dialogue format of this earlier works when he already had a format from Herodotus to write about a separate subject matter to philosophy?
The answer is simply that he didn't.
Atlantis is 1 part fabrication, 1 part Greek legend/myth, and 1 part philosophical parable rolled into one and transmitted through the medium of a dialogue to obscure his hand in sparking any debate from it.
Atlantis is a utopian ideal created by Plato to make a point to the Athenian elite - the perfect place for Socrates to have lived and practiced undisturbed by judgement.
The Athenian army discussed in the story is basically the representation of that Athenian elite of Plato's era.
This army attacks the Atlanteans and BEATS them - only for the gods to turn around and destroy them both.
This is Plato outlining the trial of Socrates and his being forced to die by poison - the gods judgement is Plato trying to make the Athenian elite see that their hubris and decadence will come back to bite them.
@@dallasclark3973 just like there isn't "only one" person who believes the earth is flat. Fallacy of popular opinion.
@@Mogwai786 My comment wasn't directed toward you. fallacy of being a jackals.
This man has made more sense to me since the 1990's than all the experts have all my life.
Thanks, Ted, but I can think for myself.
Jeremy Kirkpatrick wtf is a tube parrot?
So in other words TED promotes a morbidly obese lady to lecture everyone about how fatphobia is the real problem with being obese and not the unhealthiness of it... but this man's thesis, which he supports with scientific studies from multiple research branches, is to be dismissed and laughed at... got it. Thanks TED!
Brick Top classic observstion
Also nuclear power huzzah
Lol. Link please.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Hancock doesn't support his "thesis" with scientific studies, but _misrepresentations_ thereof. Hancock is a charlatan, as has been well known for decades.
Love this guy even if u don't believe his theory he at least pushes for investigation which is what science is all about
Best comment.
True but you should believe his theory as well because it as also true.
@@lostpony4885 oh I'm pretty certain his theory is sound I wouldn't be surprised if civilisation is much older
@@dazgreensmoker669 mainstream archeaology agrees our species has been around 200k years. I do not believe we laid around all that time without any civilization just waiting for today so we could get started.
Come and check out a theory I've lain put in a recent video on my channel: 'STONE AGE COMMON SENSE: DEFINING PRINCIPLES of the MEGALITHIC CRAFT', which may go some way to shed light on those lost memories Graham touches upon here. I propose the house of history is indeed built on foundations of sand but in an unexpectedly literal sense.
Be pleased for a chance to share these thoughts.
It's 2020 - I see the smug Ted disclaimer didn't age well.
you can almost touch TED's smugnes
@Nick Nack what are you talking about? U didn't watch the video did you? There's evidence throughout the whole thing.
@Nick Nack I'm no archaeologist but a lot of what is said on the Joe Rogan show with Hancock and Randall Carlson is some very compelling stuff. If nothing else the underwater gallery section of hancock's website should open your mind up to possibilities. Rigid thinking authoritarians have dragged other people into their wrongness at every level from warring nations, medical science, and even academia, all trying to make people OBEY so the top dog gets theirs at the cost of everyone else. Mainstream Archaeology: no civilisation before ancient egypt, sumer? never heard of it, anyone who disagrees is insane and getting no funding. Gobekli tepe discovered: no civilisation at all before the hunter gatherers who didnt build gobekli tepe because hunter gatherers by definition dont do stonework like that. Gunung Padang discovered, possibly 30,000 years old, struggling to get it checked out. The gaffes of mainstream archaeology does not = ancient aliens or reptilians or the most unlikely of cryptids that people believe in with no evidence whatsoever
Right, should have said, why did we ever do this?
😂
It's hard to take TED serious anymore or have any respect for them.
Oh and I don't mean for having Hancock on but for their ignorant censorship. They're the opposite of what they portray themselves to be.
You watched it therefore it is not censored
Great talk, Graham. You've been unjustly attacked for twenty-five years, so this talk (impossible for me to hear without headphones at 100% volume) went great in spite of the best attempts to discredit you. Recent evidence backs you up, and an overwhelming majority of commenters esteem your research FAR ABOVE those who oppose you. Big fan, Sir.
@Derone Cerrone he has the formula down right. Claim to be "just asking questions." When you don't like the answers start screaming about the conspiracy by dogmatic academics to suppress the truth. When one piece of evidence that you try to use gets de bunked then piggyback on something else in order to wave something shiny and keep people buying books. All while claiming academics are in it for the money. 1000 years ago he would have been selling splinters from the True Cross in the marketplace.
Try Robert Sepehr channel and his Atlantean Gardens channel -you will not be disappoinTED
It is so refreshing that there are those out there that are making inquiries on what we can plainly see. A world wide civilization that was very similar in building techniques and was wiped out by cataclysm.
When open minded scientific enquiry threatens a so-called scientific institution, you can be sure that it's foundations are very shaky indeed...
Let's celebrate the true scientific spirit of people like Graham Hancock and Rupert Sheldrake.
Having an ancient pre-Egyptian civilization which collapsed would interfere with the current progress narrative, where we move as a civilization in straight line from the cavemen to the stars. It is the progress narrative which needs revising more than anything else.
Thank you Graham, for continuing to present the facts and ask the questions. Ultimately, the Truth will shift the paradigm.
Science is falsifiable.
This excellent, smart and intellectual human being has been voicing this for years. It must be such a extraordinary feeling for him to see the evidence recently about a crater in Greenland. So many write him off, yet every year new evidence comes out to prove what he is saying is right. I hope he sees the day when the dogma shifts and he is truely recognised for his brilliant work as a researcher
I came to this TEDtalk by accident immediately after watching a video about NASA's dicovery of the 30km diameter impact crater under the Greenland ice sheet.
Me too I hope he does too. Another under rated person
Try Robert Sepehr channel and his Atlantean Gardens channel -you will not be disappoinTED
Wouldn't it make more sense for TED to include links to the alleged material that proves Hancock "outdated" and "counterfactual"? Because the more I dig into these "cataclysmic theories" of history, the more it seems like there's something to it.
How about a debate between the two alleged planet histories' experts?
This is fascinating stuff and I don't have a strongly formed opinion either way yet. But I sure would like to know more.
Looks like TEDx owes Graham Hancock an apology after the Greenland meteor impact site discovery. I've followed people like Graham for years now and find the information factual and interesting. Randall Carlson is another great information source on this subject.
JRE
Someone has been watching too much Joe Rogan.
@@CraaaaaabPeople Ah, so you are saying you don't accept evidence scientists all agree on? It's just conspiracy? What things do you accept as fact, only what you want to?
@@McShag420 no I am not, and I actually quite like Grahams work and don't hold an opinion either way. When someone mentions him in quick succession with Randal Carlson my mind immediately goes back to the JRE specials. That was all.
Stop being so defensive and go back to watching Joe.
@@McShag420 I "thumbs upped" the comment before making that observation. Which would indicate I tend to agree. Perhaps you should look at things with an eye for detail instead of flying off the handle and posting at strangers.
powerful Graham Hancock.
Hello freak bitches.
Powerful alpha brain
Very intelligent argument. Are you a scientist, you must be an intellectual?
+SuperPurgatorio ain't nobody got time to argue when it comes to the powerful Graham.
Matt Kolb yee boys will be boys
We should never think that the knowledge that we've been taught is the absolute truth, but rather a springboard where we can change our minds when new information comes along.
There must be no barriers to freedom of inquiry ... There is no place for dogma in science. The scientist is free, and must be free to ask any question, to doubt any assertion, to seek for any evidence, to correct any errors.
WARNING: This video is has not been approved by your overlords. You will be ostracized for considering these ideas.
FidelHimself gutwrecking truth in your words 😖
Haha. Amazing
Please master, what is the correct opinion?
@@FrankKritzman follow the links in the description to the approved official truth
I for one welcome our same old boring overlord masters!
"counter factual" that's some pretty Orwellian newspeak 😏
and so typical of the establishment controlling minds
Doubleungood
Would that be.....a lie??
No, it means stronger verifiable contrary evidence.
SurfK9 No it doesn't. It is an oxymoron.
Open minds open doors to knowledge, exercising wisdom to see through them. Closed minds close doors to knowledge, with the foolish keys of arrogance & ignorance blindly locking them tight. Thankyou for your knowledge & wisdom Graham.
Your pseudo-philosophical rhetoric shines a light (although, not willingly) upon the one thing that is clearly missing from both your post and the whole subject of Graham Hancock, generally: WISDOM.
Well, it's obvious where you got your dime-store wisdom from, I mean, you claim that "open minds open doors" but then go on to say "exercising wisdom to see through them." Care to explain why you would need to see through an open door? Your second sentence implies that Hancock is somehow "open minded and a seeker after knowledge" but if that was true he'd take a little time out of his globe-hopping and tropical scuba-adventures to return to college and actually learn something about the subjects he preaches on...
I find it remarkable that the flaws of ignorance, foolishness and arrogance that are so often pointed out by Hancock and his sycophants when whining about mainstream researchers and Academia are precisely the attributes Hancock displays every-time he opens his mouth.
Shame on you for putting financial gain above the pursuit of knowledge, Graham Hancock.
TED has become such garbage. Hancock is honoring them with this presentation.
Exactly what I was thinking, he's a legend in my book.
His humility and confidence in the face of ignorance are proof of the authority of his information. Thank you Graham for stepping into the lion’s den to educate the world.
"NOTE for TED: Please be aware that this talk contains modern and factual informations, and should be understood as a representation of modern scholarship coverup upon ancient civilizations." ..but thanks for sharing so many truths!
Profound , fearless thinker !
Well put! I think it's really cool how you called them out without aggression, and acknowledged the good they've done. Many need to learn that style of being, please keep it up 🙂
When your science convictions are all about supporting your book clubs purchases... You are exemplars in fad science and supporting charlatans.
@@theendoftheline perhaps you believed the fairy tales in the books you read in school. Fangirl
Try Robert Sepehr channel and his Atlantean Gardens channel -you will not be disappoinTED
TED - says who? Im a PHD Geologist and I think this guy is SPOT ON! TED you ought to be ashamed of yourselves for this BS
@Nick Nack peer reviewed science is nonsense? Why are people afraid of potentially different timelines of our history?
@Nick Nack so ur proving his point? U seek to attack the man to discredit his speculation? There seems to be some validity to his statements
@Nick Nack I take it you disregard the Gobekli Tempe site in Turkey then?
@Nick Nack are you bitter that this fraud Hancock is getting so much attention compared to the real archaeologist?
@Nick Nack Yeah but as a Hancock troll you would say that, wouldn't you?
So compressed, so much vital information in 18 minutes!
Love you Graham, truly!
Actually it was all lies.
@@adammchugh5456 Wrong. None of it was. Give me a timestamp of ONE single lie. Take as much time as you need. You won't find 1. Not 1.
Note to TED: Please be aware you are censoring scientific theories. The very thing that launched ted talks, Informed sharing of knowledge, and new theories is now taboo......you lost me and my audience of Tedtalks.....and my respect, attention. Unsubscribed.
I love the way u phrased this. I am also unsubscribing- there are lots of things I would rather give my attention to than this obvious effort at censorship.
What is being censored?
You think Graham is a scientist? WTF! the crater could be as old as a million years go and read the original research by the actual scientists who did it not Graham's cherry picking
Yes. TED is just a brand name these days that is slowly becoming political.
Unsubscribed also
Just for a update to everyone new.
This is actually fact now.
This is the best explanation for Earth.
Best explanation? Possibly
Actually fact? Less so
There is evidence of an impact, but not of the advanced civilization Hancock often brings up. There may be more information in the future, but we aren't in a new paradigm.
We are in the interregnum.
Also interesting the new info on soft tissue blood vessels etc found in dinosaur horns or bones.
@@thomaswillard6267well it really looks like if your not a expert on the topic like Graham is you can't disprove what he's saying either.
Thomas Willard research into what nephillim are in the bible. I believe that the civilizations that he describes match what the bible says perfectly
Motor Dreadz as much as I love Graham (and do in fact agree with him), 1) it’s impossible to prove a negative, and 2) the burden of proof is on the claimant, not the skeptic.
Given the recent announcement of the discovery of the Hiawatha meteorite crater in Greenland, isn't it time that patronising disclaimer was removed from the details above?
Nope. Liars never retract a lie. They just hide and pretend they weren't exposed.
@@cybervigilante If people weren't commenting about it, they might have removed the statement without anyone noticing, but now they would have to admit that they were wrong, and we can't have that now can we.
Graham Hancock is one of the MOST BRILLIANT MEN & a TIRELESS scientist‼️ FABULOUS man! Thank you, Graham!!
When Ted censors. You are ON the right track.
... to dogma.
Yup
Absolutely *Stellar Presentation Reading* -
*Graham Hancock!*
I admire your ethics, integrity, and Fortitude.
The fastest 18 minutes of my life. Thanks Graham.
GH totally make sense. Thanks GH for enlightening those who wish to be enlightened.
Or like to be lied to …
I'm loving the TED hate in the comment section!
The harder they argue...the more threatened they are!
It is heartwarming
@Final Boss Luckily science is more resiliant because its not about being trendy and arguing for the sake of arguing, you have to put up or shut up and get your theories verified, Graham's have still failed to do so.
More Ted's minimisation of Graham Hancock's findings, and the presented backup data.
my favourite part is ted states "If ancient civilizations interest you,
TEDx Talks contain many fascinating and well-researched talks such as:"
and then offers 3 examples that have very little to do with the topic.
first is an autobiographical talk by a "space archaeologist." next is a
talk about ancient cave art that offers no thought about the culture
that created them. and finally a talk about museums of the future for
Christs sake. i'm certain in about half an hour i could find better
examples to support TEDs narrow minded and slanderous preface.
Who is here from the Bright Insight video?
Hey, girl, hey! High fives to Bright Insiders!
Hi 👋🏽 i’m looking back at it from Bright’s video again... this is something :) exciting !
Me! Love this stuff! Been obsessed for months now, it all started with Bright Insight!
so excited that the crater has been found. really hoping for a reset button on our understanding on ancient history
Woot woot! I had heard about this infamous TED talk but never ran across it until I saw it in the sidebar as I was watching Jimmy's latest. 😊
I only tuned in to listen to Graham and see what else he's come up with. From the Great Pyramid to Gobekli Tepi I'm up for all of it. I know there's a great many others doing this exact same thing, but I prefer listening to Graham. He's like a favorite old professor and I'll always be a good student. 👍
He doesn’t even tell Plato’s story correctly. In Plato’s story Atlantis was at war with Athens. Athens continued and Atlantis was wiped out. That’s not civilization starting again like “children”. Also, it’s obvious the story is just an allegory. Hancock contends that Plato said the story was true, so does he believe the literal god if the sea created a continent. 🤦♂️
you sound like a brainwashed cultist.
@@AIenSmithee
You bought the wrong books bud
@@TexasTimelapse are you actually saying that in the story of Atlantis it doesn't say that is was created by Poseidon. The Criteas iterally says tha things i am saying so if thats the "wrong" book what other reference do you have to Atlantis...bud.
@@AIenSmithee this is another misconception: thinking that ancient myths and stories are allegories. In fact most of them aren't. It's just the level of interpretation of modern people (historians etc.) that is wrong
I didn't realize TED was the thought police. What a joke.
Well, they are part of the thought police, then there are "Google and Facebook" plus a few other "twitters" that don't want us underlings to anything but pay taxes and buy toys to play with. I can hardly wait for the 5G cook out that's coming for us next.
I didn't either. Very disappointing.
But... The video is still here. Under the official TED logo. They could have just deleted it? Could be politics being played out? Officially a 'Disclaimer'. Un-officially 'Hey look at this video everyone' (??)
That does seem noteworthily ironic.@@natrelacoustix
@@natrelacoustix When it comes to science, presenting someone as the carrier of "outdated info" is just as bad as deleting.
We are in the age where any idea that counters the consensus is automatically labelled as conspiracy theory.
Look what happens to scientists who DARE to contest the theory of Anthropogenic Climate Change, they are ridiculed by the media as Conspiracy Theorist or Climate Change Denier when in fact they don't deny the climate change, just it's causes.
TED, you seriously screwed up. First, it is standard practice of "modern scholarship" to treat all involved with respect and dignity. In the video and comments above you have violated that for both the presenter and us, his audience. Plastering a warning to us across the presenter's face is an incredibly demeaning thing to do to someone who sharing his ideas and research. You also infantilize the audience, telling us what to think, or not rather not think, about the presenter's scholarship. I do not recognize you as an authority to tell me what "represents modern scholarship of ancient civilizations." And speaking of schooling us on scholarship, it's pretty hilarious (and quite unscholarly) that in the same sentence you claim the talk "contains outdated and counterfactual assertions" and offer no further details or supporting evidence to that assertion. This is a forum of ideas after all; or is that in fact a farce and we and your presenters are to kneel and kiss TED's ring?
You lost me already at your second sentence. Treat all involved with respect and dignity? You mean like Hancock's thinly veiled insinuations towards the mainstream scholarship?
Firstly two wrongs don't make a right so if you're saying that it's okay for TED to treat Graham like this just because he may have treated others badly then you've lost me too. Secondly, Graham doesn't veil or insinuate anything, he comes right out and says it. Mainstream scholarship has become quite insular and resistant to new ideas and fundamental shifts. Graham openly criticizes this.
Gilmaris it's Tedx that should be treating their speakers with respect. Graham Hancock is under no obligation to do so.
This comment doesn't make any sense to me.. What are you trying to say? TED screwing up..(?) I've read it several times now and I just don't understand what you're trying to say.. 🙈 Is this written by a bot or something? Or is the video cut after this comment was made and now it comments something that isn't longer there? And why is this the top comment exactly?
But you don't know anything, you're just being told something you like to hear and immediately going with it.
Yes, they treat you as a child, your comment above is proof they should.
So they recently discovered a crater over the arctic that measured 31 kilometers in diameter and landed around 12000 years ago, which was probably the reason to the mass extinction of life in North America and many coastal cities around the world. So this guy was right about almost everything in this video. Take the disclaimer out ted, you are doing us a disservice...
Supervolcano there also
As a expert on Egyptian pyramids, the sphinx, and a leading geologist i fully agree with Mr Hancock
As the foremost expert of ancient Egyptian geology I thoroughly disagree.
You know, you should put an not a before expert
Ah, yes of course; "Vinny". Your work is well known!
Try Robert Sepehr channel and his Atlantean Gardens channel -you will not be disappoinTED
Who does TED think they are with this "warning?" Pathetic.
One day 20000 years from now somebody will be arguing over whether or not we existed on this planet with advanced technology
And they will be radioactive
@@lallen4999 awesome, they'll have super powers
And one day 200 000 000 years from now the octopuses will be asking the same question
Do you really believe there will be people here 20000 years from now?
Most probably, because all of our metal will most likely have corroded to dust, as could easily have been the case in ancient Egypt.
This is an absolutely fascinating TED Talk and I only hope TED doesn't misunderstand the content of this one the way they did with its predecessor...
I really hope to see Graham Hancock back on JRE soon!
Trying to make Plato out as a fantasizer is a fools errand. You just need to read his other works. I have and I'm very grateful to know these writings.
Yes, myths are the history of our ancestors. To dismiss them as fantasy stories is pure arrogance & ignorance. There is a core of truth to them.
How TED handled this matter made me lose all the respect I had for the event and I had tremendous respect for them for trying to reach as many as possible with varied and diverse subjects. Shame on you TED, may something greater rise from the ashes of your undoing.
Note to TED: maybe time to remove the warning notice, now that the Hiawatha crater has been discovered in Greenland, and dated to ~~12,000 years ago?
curatorial guidelines is this what George orwell meant with 1984????
Good that there are people like Graham Hancock waking us up
here again 4 years later to fully absorbt this and listen again... 2012 and 2020 have past two years with significant meaning in the world of numbers... Congrats for Teds for keeping the faith , respecting free speech and keeping this up.
Now that an impact crater has been found in Greenland, will you be removing the disclaimer?
That would be the correct thing to do.
Richard Warsin where is this disclaimer?
@@langworldtm8260 It's right below the video.
Why? The dating of the crater does not fit with Hancock's theory at all.
Gilmaris you again? The Hiawatha creator dates from EXACTLY when Graham suggested it would. The more recent one found is definitely older, maybe you got confused while reading with that crazy thick bias you have?!