The POWER CLAW of warhammer 40k and more! Pop-culture weapons analysed
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Let's look at the POWER CLAW from Warhammer 40k and many other science fiction and fantasy properties, like werewolf's claws, and see how effective they would really be.
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The power claw is such a fantastic 40k weapon. Like the Chainsword, it is a perfect encapsulation of the core idea behind Warhammer. "Cool, brutal, and over the top".
Yup, it's like lightsabers for claws
you left out HORRIFYING, bleek and the sound track of DOOM
The Galactic Empire is stronger than the Imperium of Man.
@@spiffygonzales5899 The galactic empire was overthrown by a few dozen humans and teddy bears.....
@@spiffygonzales5899 the galactic empire will miss even when shooting itself in the mouth. Somehow. I'm sure they'll manage
"In 40k lore can these claws get through armor?"
Yes. You actually guessed correctly that they do contain anti-grav elements but they also have some kind of field emitter that weakens the molecular bonds of the material they are trying to cut.
Love the video and all the depth you get into the subject!
Is that in a codex? Because I can not remember any novel that talks about that detail.
@@boooster101 Check the fandom wiki for "Power Klaw". Any "power" weapon has a similar effect (swords hammers fists).
@@boooster101 The weapons of the Sicarian Rust Stalker explains in detail the use of such weapons a bit more in detail of how the "cutting" version would actually work. And it is pretty brutal yet very effective.
Power weapons also do some sort of additional implied 'energy' damage do they not? Like a power sword has a higher flat damage bonus than a chainsword. So their is that to consider
@@drizzt102 Quite correct! And they can even be variable on the energy output. There is an instance from a Ciaphas Cain novel where Cain has sparring practice with a Techmarine wielding a power sword. The Techmarine states that the power level of the sword has been reduced to "non-lethal" levels. Cain himself described that being struck even a glancing blow (obviously the Techmarine was not using their full strength in the strikes, as it was a training match), even when he deflected or otherwise mitigated the physical blow of the blade, he received "a rather nasty shock" from the energy field, and he states that the energy field could even give him a bit of a numbing jolt if the actual physical blade did not come into contact but got close enough for the field emitted by the blade to interact with him.
I think Ork Klaws function more like shears than claws really.
They’re like a set of hydraulic scissors used by an oversized hooligan who makes his LARP gear out of washing machines and engine blocks.
Commissar yarrick
best description of orks I've ever seen
All Ork "technology" literally functions on space magic and the fact that Orks are physically too stupid to think it won't, trying to apply any form of "reason" to how that shit works is about as productive as trying to teach a red about economics.
Theres also the factor that all ork shit basicly functions by power of imagination. A hammer can be a gun if enough orks believe it.
@@_NutcasE_
Myes.
Red wunz go fasta.
Yellow makes da biggest boom.
Purple is da sneaky one, neva seen a purple ork ave ya?
Blue iz lucky.
Black is dead ‘ard
But ya gotz to remembah.
Green iz best!
WAAAGH!
Look at the claws on Eagles and other diving birds, once they get ahold of something they don't drop it because there's an internal ratchet system they actually have to pull another muscle to release their grip. A claw with an auto ratchet could probably rip away Shields weapons and armor as well as added stickiness
I would argue that they don't drop it once grabbed, I dang near got brained when a hawk or eagle almost dropped a groundhog on my head.
@@frednonethey do that on purpose because it’s easier to just drip the animal from really high than to kill it themselves
That’s how they manage to kill turtles
@@janetmontalvo6944 maybe, but what ever it was never came back and was complaining a lot as it flew off.
@@frednone hmmm the evidence seems clear… birds are government drones ! It’s all coming together now! The answer it was so clear!
I can’t believe that OZ didn’t tell him that many of the power claws in 40k have a power field that energizes the claw to aid in the piercing/slicing of the claw. Also most of the people/ monsters that have them also have super strength. So they don’t need a anti gravity field.
Not sure the ork ones have a power field. I think orks are just strong. Edit - nope, they do have a power field.
Yeah that's kind of a super relevant point since even the ork power klaws have an energy field same as lightning claws
Aid as in "disrupting the molecular bonds of matter when it strikes"
@@ManSubhu Nah Ork strong, they just believe their power field is part of their strength.
@@ManSubhu Thze Ork onez hev WAAAAAAAAAH fildz!
Pik yur flaver uf paint fur exxtra iffektz!
Me bbudy likez poiple on iz; nobudy seez it comin!
Knowing how the 40k power weapons actually work, a claw might actually be the ideal iteration of it. A claw in nature is there to grab and hold something to keep it from getting away, you don't want it to cut, just hold. The power field weakens the molecular bonds in the stuff around it, allowing you to get through armour and tough flesh with ease. A power claw is a claw encased in a power field. You hold them in place with it and then the power field turns their armour and flesh into paper. I don't think the 40k writers did this deliberately, but that would be the ideal way to keep the enemy stuck in the power field, much better than the hammer or sword which use the power field to make the weapon more effective, in the claws case, the weapon is there to make the power field more effective.
Shad looking at the model, "I would definitely pay someone to paint this." I can only picture Jazza just sitting there somewhere all sad because he's got Warhammer figures coming out the ears and Shad is like nah I'd rather pay someone.
So powered claws with gauntlets would work really well in Dune, where ranged weapons are nullified by personal shields. As long as the claws close slow enough to go through the shields, block a short sword with one arm, then grab the arm or neck with the other. Fight Over. Fatality.
I was think exactly this as he said "if ranged weapons are nullified"
I personally favor the thunder hammer. It is a more elegant weapon for a more civilized age.
Tyranids = Best weapon
LOL!
"When you have hammer, all problems begin to look like a nail." Ordo Malleus inquisitor, probably
😆 lol
Thunder hammer is a teleport device that lets it's weilder escape the most dangerous circumstances. But as Conrad Curze found out. It's also a hammer.
Funny thing about the Jaws of Life being mentioned, the infamous Hyneman on Mythbusters actually made a "weaponized" version of those. He built an exoskeleton frame that he could wear to keep the weight of all of the equipment from being directly on his body. This allowed him to walk around with the claw in one hand and operate it with only that hand. The power supply for the thing was in a large pack that was bolted to the metal skeleton's back. And that was done with only current tech and some metal tubing.
I've seen what hydraulic scissors can do. Having multiple, portable, relatively light and possibly reinforced blades along with the right kind of armor for grappling and genuine defense
One thing I love about 40K is that in universe a tone of strange things are justified.
With the tech available to use a sword would be better than the claw and the gun would be better than the sword, but in 40K you get things like Orks.
Orks are highly aggressive, numerous and favor rushing their foes down to get up close. So a potent melee weapon is needed, but also one that can account for their numerous biological redundancies. Orks can easily survive wounds that would fatally injure a human, so using several blades radically increases your odds of putting your foe down which is a viable tactic when using power weapons which negate the force dispersion with energy fields that exponentially increase the cutting power of the blades.
when it comes to dealing with orks you dont have to kill the orks to win, you can overwhelm them with shock and awe
for exsample bolter rounds can explode inside or on contact, lighting claws can leave horrendous wounds even if you only scratch them, thunder hammers blow things away, flamers are more like super napalm throwers
everything is brutal to effect the moral of the orks cause as soon as orks think they will lose it will be a domino effect as all there things start to fall apart as the power of the WAAAAAAGH will no longer be able to keep there tech running, the orks collective will is there greatest strength and weakness
That’s one of the big advantages of 40k’s design. No individual pieces are unique, not in the slightest. That’s pretty obvious. However the individual pieces are unique enough to stand on their own and there’s such a diversity of options available due to the cobbled together nature of it.
So you can have a power armored space wizard fighting a giant Ork wielding a claw that runs on the same principles as the jaws of life and that’s a relatively tame example. There are very few stories that can claim to have that much range and still have it be believable enough allow for suspension of disbelief, while still remaining comprehensible.
One of the many, possibly retconned reasons why melee became more and more part of Imperium warfare was because the increased firepower (such as bolters and 'modern' lasguns) came with reduced range, not to mention they had few millenias to fight against all kinds of minor and major races that rip and tear someting vicious
@@voomvoom4522
Melee can be so powerful against demons because demons regenerate at a rapid rate. More than fast enough to recover from most forms of ranged weaponry. However anything that deals continuous damage or deals a death blow in one strike will nullify that advantage and sever their connection to the mortal plane.
Melee attacks from a skilled combatant are more likely to deliver the powerful death blow that the second criteria demands. The first criteria is why fire is so effective as it keeps the demons from regenerating as being set on fire is continuous damage.
Now... What if we merged the technology of the Nekrons with the biomass capability of the Tyranids?... A robotic legion to exceed what the Iron Men failed to become.
Re: powered claw. In a tv show Robot Wars was one bot that kept consistently winning. It was called Razer and it was essentially a power claw (or rather a scorpion-like power spike, but close enough) on wheels. The claw was slow, but very powerful since it was hydraulic. The body of that bot was a wedge, so their tactic was to 'scoop up' an opponent so they can no longer move to get away, then crush. Their claw would often penetrate top side of the other robot and damage internals like electronics or pneumatics, disabling the bot without having to deal with entire armour panels.
Razor was a beast, they even took on the House Robots, putting Matilda out of action.
Razer! I thought exactly the same!
The thing is a literal pneumatic claw, wasn't flashy as a flipper or spinning weapon, but man... the horror of the grappling and slow crushing and piercing power was a show itself, and the thing was already intimidating.
Something even more powerful that you can wear, and have 5 per hand? Obscenely destructive, i would love to carve out a car with it, super fun!
@@Dondolini94 go to your local fire department and ask to play with their jaws of life. It is literally a handheld power claw made to chew through cars :D
(or at least watch some videos of how it works. Impressive stuff!)
This comment is gold
17:00 actually Eldar striking Scorpions Exarchs do that. They have something called a Scorpion's claw on thier off hand while they have a biting blade chainsword in the main hand. They'll use the claw as a defensive tool to grapple or deflect blows while They'll make the kill with thier sword or helmet mounted lasers. Their armor is also nearly impervious to Astartes Bolters and since they're space elves they're really fucking fast.
Every time i hear striking scorpion i immediately remember that they got ambushed by a dreadnought
@@hungcuong606 If we're talking about the same thing, those were howling banshees and that dreadnought was in a wall.
@@wilfchapman-gandy8120 i am talking about the scene from hammer and bolter where a group of striking scorpion got ambushed by a dreadnought
@@hungcuong606 Ah, nevermind then.
The Aeldari are the Security Chief Worf of Warhammer 40k, like, they're the guys that get messed up to make everyone else look cool.
Scorpion's claw is also a power weapon that is able to smack armored vehicle into oblivion.
As someone who has read the lore, i am unsure if you have Shad, but each claw in a powerklaw is powered by its own hydraulic and other ork tech that i can't explain because i don't understand it but the weapon is able to crunch through armor like an axe through wood and the orks use them in more ways then crushing like slashing, smacking and punching.
Also sufficiently advanced power claws, like other “power” weapons in 40k, are shrouded in a Disruptor Field, which can annihilate molecular bonds. Making the argument of dispersed force a lot less applicable
Shad ist for entertainment. Of course he does not know the details...
There are even claws for cutting trees today.
Ork technology follows the same basic principle Todd Howard has when developing games: It just works.
@@tyrusdalet if they don’t have the field they’re not power weapons. the field is what makes them a power weapon
Lol, Ork tech is explained like this: "It works because the ork thinks it works."
Power claws are the only feasible use of claws in close combat.
Being able to crush and cut a mofo with one hand is not only horrifically demoralising to his mates but it’s brutally bad ass.
Power claws are definitely by far the best.
I was say the gauntlet claws work as a defensive weapon.
And natural claws are... claws you natural have? Minimal upgrade from nothing.
Actually, Shad, depending by the strength of the model and the dice roll, with "da klaw" an ork (especially a warchief) can even open a medium-heavy tank. Game verified. Thanks to bring to us this topics.
In the game I've been designing, I've generally reserved 'claw gauntlets' for races that already have sizeable natural claws, such as an avian race with over half-foot long talons, and a salamander-like race with similarly sized claws. I've also included 'bladed gloves' as a type of ritual/spellcasting implement, not really intended for hand to hand combat, but still functional in a pinch, or a grapple in this case.
That seem like a loot of metal for thing that has to fly.
@@MouldMadeMind That's why they have a 12 foot wingspan. They are very strong natural fliers. An extra pound or two of metal isn't going to make much difference, certainly not when compared with other adventuring gear they are liable to carry.
@Random Platypus with Internet Yes, firstly, there are real world birds that are heavier and have a bigger wingspan than my avian race. And secondly, my world has a thicker atmosphere which is more energy dense than ours. And thirdly, inherent wind magic.
The raptors in Jurassic park are based on Deinonychus. Now, deinonychus has an alternative classification as Velociraptor Antirrhopus. This creature was the size shown in the movies, though of course it would have had feathers. Even Mongoliensis wasn't chicken sized, though. At three feet tall and six feet long, it was comparable to a wolf. Still a formidable predator.
Common misconception that Jurassic park got raptors wrong. It didn't. People think they were attempting to show Velociraptor mongoliensis which is small. But they were actually depicting Velociraptor antirrhopus aka Deinonychus.
Deinonycus, the beaky feathered creature that weighed about 70 kg?
I mean, they're still too big. Just not as much too big.
26:03: "If someone is desperate to latch onto you, there's very little you can do to prevent them, apart from killing them or moving back."
And moving back is a pretty bad idea in a fight, unless you have a ranged weapon.
I have long legs and I'm pretty limber. When sparring at the dojo, one of my best tricks is to snap a head-height kick at someone. The implied threat of "I could kick you in the face" is a very good way to intimidate someone and make them instinctively want to stay back, and then I'm in control of the bout because they have to get past my kick range before they can close to attack me. (Reach!)
The ones who tend to do well are the ones who aren't intimidated and charge in to close quickly.
ok but in this case the guys are wearing armor your kick wont do anything other than give them shaky cam vision for a second.
@@TrenchCoatDingo In an armored, armed conflict, that second of disorientation can be all it takes to get a lethal blow in.
@@masonwheeler6536 possibly though trying to kill somebody in plate armor is difficult.
How do you deal with someone like me, someone who likes to fight defensively. Someone who conserves their energy while making you expend yours?
They would have as much range with their power claw as with such a kick they could just run forward going strait for a claw strike so any kick conecting will do little and fully open themsleves to being skewered, if their wearning terminater armour a kick wront do anything
"100 Newtons of Claws" my new favorite math measurement. Love ya Shad, keep up the amazing videos :)
Luckily for Orks in 40k, actual effectiveness of the weapon is kinda irrelevant. If they believe hard enough the weapon to be effective, it WILL be effective. Ork tech is entirely based on their ability to wish beliefs into existence lol. Thank the Ancient Ones for that one.
so it's just wishfull thinking?
Thankfully it also work against them if they believe something can kill them it will kill them like if you make a bolter firing sound they will believe that you shot them and die even though you are firing blank
Nah their tech functions the way it's intended to work. The belief thing is the waahg energy doing it's magic but you can't have a Steel tube that shoots rockets just because they believe it shoots rockets.
"Ork tech is entirely based on their ability to wish beliefs" is just a meme.
@@nanoblast5748 pretty much if they believe that how it work then that how it work if they believe they invisible by painting purple on them then they are invisible when they are painted purple
They can even make themselves invulnerable if they believe it
Oddly enough there stupidity help make their power work if they were smart than they wouldn’t believe that how thing work
Depends on writer, in the Octarius wars High Marshal Helbrecht managed to sever hydraulic thingy in Orc warboss's power claw rendering it useless.
The little "raptor claw" aside is especially interesting when you look at deinonychus- nature got there!
(Maybe an idea for another video - naturally evolved "weapons" from dinosaurs etc).
The traditional sickle claw was more likely used as climbing tools in Paravians (Dromaesaurs, Troodontids and Birds). You can even see the claw morphology change in Deinonychus. Babies had more curved ones for climbing trees while adults had more straight ones for climbing prey, anchoring themselves while flapping their wings and tearing chunks out of the poor fella with their jaw. Now modern birds are a different story, they have an enlarged and reversed hallux (the backwards facing toe, raptors had a dewclaw) so they can actually grip and they don't normally walk a lot so they can afford to have four large sharp claws instead of just one
I like that you bring Horus Lupercal into the video because recently on the official warhammer yt channel showed him piercing an imperial fist with his claws
I appreciate the fact that whenever he explains the effectiveness of adding blades to gauntlets to increases lethality, and utility, in combination with daggers and or swords, he shows photos of chaos ladz.
We Chaos Ladz have the right idea, this is why I keep trying to convert my friends to chaos.
The Truth will prevail.
@@SonsOfLorgar indeed my fellow chaos lad.
I really enjoyed the back-and-forth banter and near stream of consciousness of this analysis.
Discussions like this (and the book in the background) remind me every time, that I need the next entry in the Shadow of the Conqueror in my life :)
With the rushing in and trying to latch onto anything statement you described the concept of terminators in a nutshell
On top of practicality in grappling, the power claw also have a very great intimidating effect. Especially if that user is a certain commissar that killed an Ork war boss in single combat and pried his power claw off his corpse, since all Orks learned about the tale and believe that you are some sort of undefeatable rampaging force of nature.
6:04 I have actually, multiple times even. In my job I have to always use cranes to move workpieces and I have tried to stop them from swinging and it's really hard. Since they were hanging from the crane it is kind of similar to weightlessness. At some point you don't even bother and just move it slowly/let it swing/drive the crane in the direction of the swinging
29:52 You really don't want to know the stories I've heard from work. I work in the metal industry, we have mills and lathes and people have had all kinds of injuries. Last year we even had a death... ironically from falling downstairs and not the deadly machinery or partially tons of steel workpieces, further proving how fragile humans can be.
You could use the claw to destroy your oponents weapon, taking away their reach btw.
I am pretty sure jaws of life could be made incredible fast nowadays already. For its intended purpose it is just better that it is a very slow process. You dont want to endanger the injured people in the car anymore. Having the claw rip open the door faster could result in glass shards or metal debrit flying into the car and causing serious injuries.
Which consequently would be another advantage for the claw as a weapon, as well as a disadvantage. Having small shards of the armor of your opponent flying in every direction sounds incredibly dangerous for the person holding the claw as well.
tbf most of the beings that use this style of claw are heavily armored, so having bits flying about at subsonic speeds isn't going to present much of a problem for the user.
@@leadpaintchips9461 If they weren't armoured to that extent, they'd probably be easily shot down before getting into melee range. Unless they have some kind of shields that for some reason weren't effective against self-inflicted shrapnel.
@@AnotherDuck Well there's orks that are not easy to drop but the shrapnel can do bad things to them, and some Eldar units whose defense is "I can dodge light".
But you're right in that most things that use claws are armored enough to deal with 'small arms' fire.
Shad, LOVE it when you talk about Warhammer 40k
40k is my favourite setting and you are one of my favourite content creators
@Shad with Space Marine and Ork Power claws there's usually 1. A blade inside the claws and 2. At least with Space Marine Power claws there's usually a forcefield around the already monomolecular blade edge which forces matter apart letting it slice though Armour like butter. You should watch the newest Horus Heresy trailer to see how a power claw is used to pierce
I'm curious to hear if you think it would be easier to get into the gaps in somebody's armour with either a bladed gauntlet or a dagger, especially the eye slits.
I've come up with my own implementation of weapons with magical properties. I've called it cold steel. Cold steel is a technique of forging a weapon with the use of a special magic ice found only in the far north of the frost realm (known as Ymir) and this gives the weapon properties that make it close to indestructeable and very light. however, if kept above the temprature of 0 degrees celcious, the material becomes very heavy and brittle after about 10 minutes in this temprature. The smiths of Ymir managed to take metal formed from a volcano and as this metal holds a low temprature for several days before it starts heating up and make this into the scabards so that the weapons could be transported outside of -0 degree temprature.
Neat
You might wanna change it's name though, the weapon company Cold Steel may not like you using their name
Why am I reminded of stalhrim
@@kurotamashi8138 Sucks to be them then, because 'cold steel' has been a phrase long before they even existed.
@@WJS774 Hope you have a good lawyer because Cold Steel has an unforgiving legal team
A good video overall Shad, liked how you went into specifics of it. What is your opinion on Lightning Claws though? As Astartes never use Power Klaws as you went over here. Whereas Lightning Claws are inset fixed blades/sometimes flexible finger claws that are sheathed in warp energy to massively increase their killing effectiveness and can shear through ship hull. Would recommend looking them up mate. Looking forward to seeing you cover more 40k goodness!
Yay, these types of videos are some of my favorite on this channel. Anyway Shad, please consider this type of video on the new Anniversary Edition Skyrim content. As well as Kingdoms of Amalur Reckoning.
Additionally on your second channel, can you please resume the D & D playthrough or other roleplaying board game like that.
This is actually super insightful to a character I have which large gauntlets that stick out past his elbows,that turn into a kind of shield when he blocks, and one clawed hand to rip off any armor and weighty punches with the other. thanks shad
25:22 dont think like that, the tiger style is actualy very dangerous if who do it is a true master. Half of the training are focused on strengthen your fingers; They will attack weak points like your face or neck and they can actualy kill you if they get a good grab on your throat
Also, the power claws would be The WEAPON in the Dune universe
In dune, grappling weapons are the way to go. A lethal man catcher could be used as human shears.
The way claws are used in 40k is much like how animals use claws, they're not cutting weapons, they're for grappling. You grab onto someone with your clawed left hand and then hack them apart with the sword in your right hand,shoot them point blank or just beat the shit out of them with or without a power fist.
Also while there is grav tech associated with a lot of claw weapons most people using them can just lift them,like Space marines and Orks are superhumanly strong to a stupid decree and then wear power armour that amplifies it even more.
"...its punching force would be just as high."
mass and weight is different, however the effort to move something is a function of mass. that means that a high mass glove would inhibit your ability to punch. if you could still punch then it would punch hard. the issue is that a punch is applied force to a target at speed, and mass decreases that speed. the design of the glove inhibit (not prevent) the snap that helps make punches effective. so the extra mass of the glove is not a good thing, and the power that fights gravitational pull is probably either not anti-gravity or not just anti-gravity. there is some sort of motion assist with the gloves, hence why they are still effective.
So like a massive armored exoskeleton?
Yeah, if it's only anti-gravity then a balance of weight, strength, and mass needs to be kept in balance.
The formula is mv², and slower attacks are harder to hit. Plus you'd want something to attack by turning off the anti-gravity. Punching weapons are honestly pretty bad. Even adding a Spike significantly increases lethality.
"Hands are grabby things." Proper video as always! I love warhammer related videos how about a warhammer video on armor maybe all the races? Thatd be neat! Also are you working on shadow of the conqueror 2 electric boogaloo or possibly any other books?
in nature claws allow a predator to hold their prey more than just doing damage, any predatory feature is not meant to only deal damage then let the prey disengage, teeth and claws are meant to hold and restrain whether the prey is larger or bite size...
A note to be made about ''claw'' gauntlets (with or without power assist) is the extra grip you can get once you get your hands on someone. Your opponent will have a hard time to dodge or parry if you grab them and just fling em around so they turn their back on you more or less,as you push a short sword or a rapier thrue the side of the rib cage. Also to simply rip off a shield out of their hand the way you do with an axe.
Alternatively just rip someone's face off. You can be very precise with such a weapon due to the low range and the fact that its quite literally your hand and not an object you are holding. (which brings the case of you being extremely hard to be disarmed as well).
Talking about Wolverine's claws, remember the whole 'equal and opposite reaction' thing. You need less structural reinforcement for three claws each doing 100 newtons than one claw doing 300 newtons.
Well, you need less structural reinforcement for each claw. Same in total. But that's from a mathematical standpoint, since in practice you're probably not going to spread the force evenly on those three claws, so you need some extra to account for uneven force.
Wolverine himself is a bit special, though.
@@AnotherDuck Yeah, but it is easier to reinforce for, say, 130 newtons than it is 360. This also applies to things like the lightning claws Space Marines have.
@@severdonwan Not sure I agree with that, since you need to reinforce each part either separately, in which case you have multiple parts which means higher risk of failure, or you reinforce them together in which case you just have the same thing anyway. I also think the asymmetrical force you have to account for is more than just 8%.
If you have lightning you have a different type of force, which is a whole other ballgame with different advantages and disadvantages.
@@AnotherDuck Except that the force is better distributed when you're doing three claws instead of one. For the same reason that the single claw has more raw power, the impact on three claws is less. Equal and opposite reactions, and all. Spreading the load means you need less strength at any one point. Picture the difference between a typical seatbelt (three-point harness) and one-point harness, with a collar or lasso (one-point harness). Which is more effective at distributing an equal amount of force without injury?
@@severdonwan That goes both ways, though. If it's effective at distributing the force, it means you need more force to injure your opponent.
Dang i just wanted to rewatch some old shad vids... and i got pulled into the Xu Xioadoung rabbithole. What a tragic legend!
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More fist weapon videos would be great! Like a fist weapon a ninja uses
Shad, I am a former EMT here in the US. While in training we saw photos of the result of a farm hand falling into a disking machine and it was positively brutal and quite fatal. So imagine the claws on a power claw operating in much the same way as far as the end result. The results would in game vernacular "end in chunky salsa"
In 40K, a lot of the high tech stuff as "suspensors" (basic anti-grav tech) so as to make handling easier.
Although the Power Klaw as used by the Orks definitely doesn't have something so sophisticated. But Orks have superhuman strength, so they just brute force the excessive weight of their weapons.
Also of note, orks that use them also use some sort of powered armor which also helps with moving it around.
Also-also of note: All Orks are latent psykers. Ork "tech" works almost entirely because Orks THINK it SHOULD.
There's actually an Imperium officer who has become immortal because he survived so many Ork attacks the y became convinced he couldn't die. And because enough Orks believed it, it became true.
I do appreciate the amount of Commissar Yarric images that go with the video.
A good example of inertia only pushing is a boat. The weight of the boat is irrelevant because the water provides close to no friction, but the inertia is still large enough to make it hard to stop/get moving.
Imagine a glove/gauntlet with sort of shark’s teeth/thorn like blades on the inside of each finger segment, letting a grapple grip work almost like a pipe cutter, or even just rounded cutters like pizza cutter edges, or hooked blades if you dont want them to get away
Ok that thing about Raptors is actually correct they had a dedicated “killing toe” that was larger
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No, it wouldn't be more efficient because animal claws are not meant to slash their prey but rather grab and immobilize. By having multiple claws you get a better grip than with just one claw per hand. If the opposite were true most predators would convergently evolve into bizzarro praying mantises due to the supposed higher effectiveness.
Nature is very good at finding efficient solutions, dont be arrogant as to assume you know better than billion of years of evolution.
I shared your sentiments in my comment after yours. Claws puncture and hold, teeth are for cutting and ripping. You don’t want claws to cut because the grip will be lost
There are limts on what nature can and does.
If A creature looses a complex feature it is extremly unlikly ever to get it back.
It is extremly unlikely to ever to improve by getting worse. The human eye may not evolve to get rid of the blind spot as it would have to get dramaticaly worse first in order to overcome the deficency.
Good enough is good enough. Evolution rarely wastes energy promotiong traits better than you need to suscesfuly reproduce.
its especially wrong because raptors DO have a single enlarged claw. like deinonychos.
not sure what the current scientific explanation for that is. either its actually for ripping open the belly of its prey, or maybe for additional penetration when scaling a thick hided dinosaur
While that may be true for large animals, animals don't wear metal armor nor use metal weapons. The reduced force per claw and greater area of damage is effective when dealing with flesh and keeping the concentrated force per claw lower to keep from breaking your claw off. However, if you can put in more force without hurting yourself and need more force to crack through an armored shell around a creature, then the praying mantis style of weapon against a type of exoskeleton is very, very useful.
You don't need nor want a warpick to fight a shirtless dude. A knife or two is good enough. However, when you are dealing with a walking tin can, something with more concentrated force to puncture through is neccessary.
TBH nature isn't good at finding efficient solutions, nature's good at finding 'good enough' solutions. There's a lot of biology out there that are highly ineffective but are 'good enough' to let something survive.
I'm imagining those industrial crushers with rotating wheels that grab on to what they're chewing through. With that as your claws, you could grab any kind of bladed weapon and not let go.
I am reminded of some of the issues that Shad brought up with super strength (or it may have been giant weapons) in a previous video and that a major issue is that it doesn't matter how strong you are you are sill dealing with you own limitations of mass.
In short, if you were to punch a tank with super strength you would be the one going flying, not the tank. I could see claw weapons being a favored weapon of those with super strength. If you just need to grab and crush with your 30 ton grip strength, it does matter if you weigh a buck fifty, you're not relying on your mass or momentum to back up a blow.
With power claws and general fantasy gauntlet weopans, one of the ways they are used against weopans with greater reach is catching them and breaking or trapping them then whatever is in the other hand can finish them off. The other thing is in 40k, their used in 2 ways dual wielded where on side is used defensively and the other side a one hit kill offensive. Or with a pistol where for lightly armored enemies they need to close the distance with you or you can finish them off with the pistol so you can use the claw defensively or if the target is medium armoured you can shoot the pistol forcing them to block their face giving you the opportunity to get in close with the claw and with something heavily armoured the claw is one of the only things other than a giant laser that can hurt it anyway, run in and rip the tracks off the tank.
There's a claw weapon in Gundam Unicorn called the Armed Armour VN. It has the ability to grapple and crush enemy suits but also closes up to be an armoured blunt force weapon. And I think the hand can be used like normal when the claw part is opened
Patrick Rothfuss front and center on your library, I LOVE that!
4:46 Hey man, physicist here. I know this is all sci fi bullshitting, but no. Gravity is THE elemental force resulting from the existence of mass. They are intrinsically coupled. Disable gravity and you disable mass itself. Also, the idea that mass and weight are different things is only technically correct. The concept of weight is just a description of how a massive body behaves inside of a gravitational field, or to be precise, the gravitational force that the massive body propagates with divided by the acceleration constant of said field, or for the concept to be useful, the constant of earth's field g=9.81m/s^2. So in the edge case of there not being a gravitational field, there is no weight.
I thought that Gravity and Time is the same.
hey Shad, you should take a watch of the Killteam trailer, an Ork grabbed and crushed a guardsmen's skull in about 2 seconds, later another ork grabbed, crushed and then chucked another one into a large pipe with enough force to dent the pipe.
I love Shads vids ,especially the long ones :D
10mins in and Im sleeping on my bed everytime .
If you did reduce friction on your car, as you say at 4:56, then your car would slide all over the place and be very difficult to control. Tyres actually increase the friction with their treads which we call traction, the friction between the tyres and road is what actually causes the car to accelerate or break and avoid drifting round corners. You need friction and want it on your car.
Later on at 5:35 you say that gravity is what cause friction between 2 objects but for an object on the ground it is actually the normal reaction force and the roughness of the 2 surfaces that are touching that causes this. Without any gravity you could lift it off the ground and then all you need to deal with is fluid friction (drag) but if you kept it on the ground there would still be friction between the 2 solids.
no there need to bee a force pushing it to the surfice for friction to be possible
@@hawoaliahmed6996 Yeah but It's not gravity itself that causes the friction.
The first thing I thought of when you started talking about ork claws was grab closes claw cuts off opponents hand or arm
Australian 🦘 man in armor : "Gravity pulls things down"
Earth: "Lol, still pulling you up, mate" 😂
Wait... Your brother, Jazza, Made that prop. Wow, how about that. I was there to see how Jazza Made it and granted it's a lengthy process with some... Questionable methods.
If I'm being honest, the claw weapons can have a good utility, however, it's not a good weapon. But I like it to be regular size and use it for situational purpose - plus, at least I can use my hands for other things.
@UCsT-gXgttJOsInXlaZrQwLA Think he might mean the one in the thumbnail. It's a physical full sized prop that was printed, assembled, and painted.
For space marine type characters, the claws are used a lot like cat claws for ripping though targets using their and the claws super strength.
Monocular Blades and power fields I think having strength is the secondary reason why it’s effective
Is that the power claw that your brother Jazza made in the thumbnail? Loved the video, great work!
Watching shad play with the claws brings me joy….. and some envy
I was thinking about if you considered a heavy weight suspended on a track. The track negates the effect of gravity pulling down on it, but you still have to overcome the object's inertia to get it moving or stop it
I think the effectiveness of claws in grappling is a little understated, but hey I'm happy it was included cause as a grappler (mostly BJJ) I can't tell you how devastating claws would be in a fight. I mean it would significantly help in getting someone to the ground. Plus if we're talking about werewolf claws than you can still hold a weapon and still have the claws if needed. If we're talking about the huge metal claws on that strong boi, then I imagine you could literally grab the blade and pull it away cause it had a blade on the inside and blade get caught in the bind.
There is a thing called a gravity cannon or better known as a grav gun where it increases the mass of its target so for example a seventy ton tank whenever hit by said weapon, is now a hundred and forty ton and so if the weapon is still firings at the target the mass keeps on growing until the vehicle or target is completely crushed by its own mass and weight
In For Honor the warmonger class has a claws on her gloves but they do little damage but apply bleeding d.o.t. effect on the target that dose most of the damage, this is only used during an attack combo, not the primary attack. May have changed the values of damage since last I played tho. There more like what was shone on screen, but end gust after the finger tips.
With a gauntlet you can grab a sword striking at you and it would be easy to change the direction of the blade and get inside their range
4:40 true, however it depends on the setting/tech. In something like Star Trek or Dead Space, antigravity technology is done through some kind of exotic effect, like graviton manipulation, which alters acceleration due to gravity.
But in other settings, Mass Effect in particular, antigravity tech comes from Element Zero which directly alters the mass, reducing the force of gravity while also reducing the amount of force a powered weapon would deliver if they used Element 0 to lighten it.
The things you are talking about in 18:10 of the video are actually quite similar to the Power Fists used by the Imperial Guard, or other non-Astartes humans. The Power Fist is a huge gauntlet that their regular arm fits inside, and when powered on gives the wielder a giant fist with an energy field that can and has punched holes into tanks.
Thoughts for the claw power. Precharged co2, pnumatic, or even like a combustion piston. A piston on each side. The one opposite the ignition side could be used for compression to buffer the movement.
regarding the off-handed defensive tool usage: look up clawhand shield in pathfinder. It's been done already (albeit as a magical item).
Great video Shad, love the realistic application of 40k weapons. I just had one thought though,
You said one of the problems with claws or multi bladed weapons is the force distributed instead of concentrated. But power claws are crushing with hundreds, probably thousands of pounds of force, enough to crush spacemarines armor and tanks, does distributing about 2000 pounds of force across 3 prongs make all that much difference? It seems to me at least, it gets to a point where it doesn't matter how much the force is reduced across several edges, there's simply too much force lik a few thousand pounds total.
Just my 2 cents but again I loved the video
Also something of note, if your claws have crushing ability, its possible that you can break your enemies weapon as well as disarming them.
The thing with power claws like the talon of Horus is that each blade has a energy field around it that acts as a scalpel blade. So the force exerted with the claw isn’t such an issue because the energy field is what is mainly doing the slicing and ripping. It’s why power weapons are effective against things like tank and dreadnaught armour
I’ve been waiting for the day Shad finally covers a power weapon from 40k.
Usually the allure of gauntlet claws in fantasy combat, aside from it being intimidating, is that it's usually more versatile and convenient to use than a knife.
You can defend yourself while also hurt your enemies, or in times pick up things like a shield or weapon to help yourself further too.
And even in medieval times, many people usually prefer convenience and versatility in weapons over too much lethality, as long as it's deadly enough anyways.
When it comes to the mechanical side of things, there is at least something to mitigate the threat: you've got either speed or power, not both. A claw with a lot of crushing strength wouldn't close quickly enough to grab onto anything that easily, though you might be able to come up with some kind of spring-loaded mechanism with barbs, supported by hydraulics once the grip's been established.
know what when you said jaw of life I suddenly remembered robot wars, thanks for reminding of Sir Killalot...now I know what I'm gonna look for and marathon for a week or two LOL
One thing you might be able to do with a clawed gauntlet which you'd have a difficult time doing with say a dagger is tear off armor. Lets say you are fighting a heavily armored opponent, and you want to get past the armor completely well perhaps you can stick your hand in the right place to cut some of the presumably leather bindings that tie the armor on allowing you to remove a piece of the enemies armor. This is really just a guess I am very likely wrong about this.
Had an idea for grappling with claws, the fingers dig in like hooks and you drive in the thumb.. Would be nasty if you couple that with pressure point manipulation would be brutal (and painful) against an unarmed opponent.
From what i know, Power Claws are (like name imply) power weapon so force field edges (insane sharpness). And they are used only by power armor, or equivalent, users, so yup there is power assistance to force of grip. Or Orc claws that are just slabs of sharp metal with hydraulic muscle behind. Sorry if my engglish is bad, I hope I can be understunded:)
"Is it a clawwweerrrr, or is it a blade?"
Love you, Shad.
Good episode Shad 👏🏻
Some points that I thought of during the exposé:
* S-cry-ed had a gauntlet with a built in dagger perpendicular to the hand splitting the difference between defense and offense.
* Grewishka from Alita addresses the range issue with technological extensions.
* the batman thing was technically a training montage.
*Edit: The Maxx features a character with a single claw
* also I remembered that Aye-aye's existed.
Cheers!
I think it's worth noting that Power Claws (or Power Klaws if you're an Ork) in Warhammer 40K _do have_ those extra mechanical components to make up for the fact that normal fingers with blades on them wouldn't be able to do much against armor. There's also the case of Lightning Claws, which also use a potent energy field to make cutting into armor easier.
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Oz : *Try to explain something interesting*
Shad : *do some weird raptor shit for no reason*
x)
one point to also consider is less damage and lethality but the fear and pain of a claw as someone who was a chef and dealt with dog/cat scratches and bites, I've sliced my thumb to the knuckle joint with a sashimi knife but it didn't hurt all that much since it was like razor sharp, didn't even feel it go in it was mostly after the cut began to heal and bruising was happening that it hurt. a scratch from a cat hurts quite a bit more due to the crude nature and imperfection you get the ripping and tearing rather than a slice but after a while it doesn't really hurt all that much though a bite is the worst of both worlds were it hurts like hell to start and the pain doesn't go.
So lets say the 40K setting like shown with the ork formerly named after maggie thatcher, with the claws inside it, its in still a very melee based setting despite guns due to all the power armour and so and if you had very responsive claws of life and it grabbed your opponents blade you could crush it or make it useless due to powered grip but also say you managed to get up to a ranged opponent you could surely destroy guns relatively quickly if you could close the claw with such speed of a normal hand but have the power of a much more powerful device, but also in such a setting or hell even a based in reality movie if you could be gentle enough with the device to grip on to say a helicopter skid or moving train while fighting youd have the stability of not falling all over so put that on a giant crashing spacecraft or a place where gravity weapons are used.
but in the setting you mentioned the powered claw but its not the only version, 40k also has the powerfist, basically a giant powered fist treated like a punching weapon i assume like a caestus, the lightning claw a wolverine style claws above the knuckles of a powerfist and also chain claws which are basically a claw with a chainsword on it or the old eldar version thats like a crabclaw with chains blades on the inside.
A note about the idea of anti-grav on the fists, specifically from Arcane. She would not be able to punch more than once with those gloves, depending on how massive they are. Sure, she can lift them and "punch" with them just fine, but it would pull her along with it wherever it was going, because those gloves weigh more than she does, I guarantee it.
Have you concided power claws can sometimes have a light saber effect (I.e. lightning claws, also longer than daggers but not quite short sword length) - and would have the same “all I have to do is touch you” concept?
When you have more strength than inertia…
Aquatic creatures who float around in a viscous medium have much harder time anchoring themselves, so striking or slashing weapons are rare in the seas. (But not entirely absent. Surgeonfish, marlins and mantis shrimp have slashing, piercing and punching weapons, kinda.) Birds can go really fast but they also tend to be low weight and fragile, so they often go with talons if they need to fight.
So if you were to design weapons for underwater or zero-G, or if you have a really lightweight powered armor, or just super strength on a lightweight body for some other reason, then crushing/cutting/piercing talons would make a lot of sense.
I loved your invention of the word Klorce (8:30)