It also has some similarities to the Galar Gym Theme a little bit. Same with the Paldea Gym Leader Theme. Sounds like Paldea copied Galar’s homework and asked if it could change a few things so it doesn’t look like it copied.
Makes me wonder how long opelucid was covered in ice for, considering how we never see it back to normal after it gets iced. If Drayton just grew up in a frozen wasteland then he’s definitely used to it
@@max-lee1203Not only that, going to Opelucid in between having defeated Ghetsis and beating the game shows the ice both there and on Route 11 starting to melt a bit.
This is the weirdest most complex remixes Gamefreak has done so far cause they sound like a whole different music, basically only hinting the originals. Battle themes apart, but also those have a heavily different vibe. It's very amazing. Can't imagine the work they'll do on Kalos with Legends Z-A Kirean with Iris and N seems stretchedly false though
If it's made by the same team that made Legends Arceus I'm looking forward to their soundtrack. I grew up with diamond pearl and platinum it was my first game. Hearing the remixed Dialga and Palkia theme hit my soul out of my body for a few minutes. Same faces. Same Pokemon I knew. Dawn/Lucus to Akari/Rei.
@@lonelyprplezealot1566definitely nostalgia and also depends on your taste in music. older Pokemon music had a more orchestral feel to it, while modern music seems to lean into the technological and more, well, modern options they can do now. I like both, but I'm leaning more towards newer music ^^
“Let’s set this part of the DLC in Unova, fill it with references to the Gen 5 games, and get fans totally hyped up for Black/White remakes… …then announce Legends Z-A.”
They duped johto enjoyers too, but tbh Kalos is almost hilariously perfect given we all legit thought it was at the edge of paldea before dlc was announced
I have always said that what makes black and white music special is the great variety of sounds and instruments that can make a track unique. They even have choirs in their music
@@ynk-ike my first video game ever was Pokemon Ruby. I was around 6-8 but the first Pokemon game I actually took seriously was Pokemon White. I still have that save file and I was 19 when I beat that.
@@theamazingspooderman2697Beeping was low health lmao. And even that was sick as hell in Gen 5. Victory Lies Before You is one of the best songs in Pokemon history.
I understand why some are made about getting this then Z-A but in my mind this makes perfect sense This was a nice little treat to hold over people who love Unova so they can focus on giving a region that truly does need the attention first Kalos definitely needs some revised love before we jump head first into a Gen 5 game Especially if we want them to give Unova the love it deserves
@@doctortuxito7532 Exactly, Unova is pretty close to perfect so I'd definitely want them to touch up on Kalos before messing with something we all love like they did BDSP
@@calebs3613 id prefer a updated gen 5 over kalos kalos is far to new let them make the best gen 5 and let us have the option for hard mode from the start and ofcourse make it so we can ahve the old music since the new stuff sounds like garbage
If Game Freak and Pokemon company stick to form. The Unova remakes should be coming next gen. I know a lot of people were thinking they were going to be announced. But it really wasn't time yet, we are still in Gen 9. Excluding the first Kanto remakes(and Let's go, I guess) the remakes are always on the even numbered Gen and never on the same console.
I enjoyed so much getting the hints within each of the Indigo Disk's themes, I love Gen 5 so it was really a treat. I can't believe I never homed into the Canyon Biome's Driftveil references! I mean, I heard it but couldn't pin point what was it from
You have a keen ears to recognise most of these music. As a person who was born during gen 5 and first game was scarlet with the dlc I can confirm that gen 5 is superior🗿🗿🗿
I know that the originals will never beat the remixed version of these tracks but I'm just simply happy for the fact that they're there. They also don't have to necessarily be on par either. Opelucid's portion for example is just describing a more snowy feel, which makes sense since it takes place in the Polar Biome. Same with Coastal Biome taking cues from Driftveil City's theme, especially since that's where Lacey is.
I feel gen 5 had more variation in their songs and made it noticeable whereas scarlet and violet feels hollow Like its tech based and lacks the sounds a real instrument would make. Idk how to explain but think scarlet and violet has its music as one continuous beat that has no pauses whereas black and white does even when the song is continuous every instrument takes a break for the other to shine through
@@ProtoTypeFMtrue. In the originals, you can CLEARLY hear the beat and how impactful each note was. In SV, you can barely hear the beat thanks to the instruments sounding too uniform. Plus, every song sounds the same in terms of tone.
Is it me or were there only 1 noticeable instrument being used in the gen 9 versions of half the songs? I know not all the songs were 1 to 1 remakes or remasters but gen 9 sounds more empty
I mean, Blueberry Academy is in Unova, and all the BB elite four are from Unova, with Lacey being Clay’s daughter, and Drayton being the grandson of Drayden.
I have a theory it's because most of Japanese society currently thinks Americans are crazy, and they don't wanna do a full remake based on games in America.
It def seems strange, tho I'm relieved because I wanna see game freak make better games before soiling my beloved Gen 5. Kalos really does deserve it more, considering Gen 6 didn't get an enhanced release so that sun/moon could be out in time for the anniversary
No I get exactly what you're saying. The newer ones sound kinda muddled and not as crisp. It's easier to pick out the different parts with the older renditions.
I still believe the backlash from gen4remake made them scrap the gen5remake, and we got saved by the new legenda annoucement. When it does come out it will be glorious
1:50 i think the lore for Relic song is during BW time, Meloetta forgot about song, so the musician playing the song for it and during indigodisk DLC, Meloetta finally can sing the song by itself
I prefer the Black and White OST more, it was nice the DLC to pay homage but some aren't as good as the original, some were even hard to listen to for me at least.
I’d have to agree, while yes I do like some more than the originals. I prefer the new trainer battle theme, Relic song, and Kieran’s decisive battle. But pound for pound black and white is just better music wise
I like the references, but bw music just feels so much more full, not sure how else to describe it. I find the older music a lot more satisfying to listen to, but that's probably also partially due to nostalgia.
I'm just amazed how much detail and optimization Gamefreak put into Pokemon Black and White, but then couldn't even optimize FPS for Pokemon Violet and Scarlet
Ok never once did i think id agree with those people that say the ogs were better but here i am... the og themes are way better than these remastered ones, they just dont seem like the same song anymore to me.
I think the new themes are not even close to being as a good as the originals, they lack personality and feel like an amalgamation of way too many stuff, just listen to the wild Pokémon themes, they sound more like a ultra beast theme more than a wild Pokémon, I’m just not a fan at all of the new themes
I think it’s mostly (but not entirely) due to the punch and impact of the choice in instrumentation. The OG’s choice in instruments leave more of an impression
TPC: "For part 2 of the DLC, let's throw a bunch of references to Unova in there. Possibly hint that Gen. 5 remakes are coming." Also TPC: "Surprise! All those Unova hints were a ruse. We're actually announcing a new 'Legends' title, and this time, you're going back to Kalos!".
I'm going to be honest, I really love more the original gen 5 music and that never change, it's more cool to be honest 😊 and that's because I have a lot of love for the gen 5 games
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I didn't even NOTICE that Kieran's Champion theme shared similarities to N's and Iris's theme until now. It's subtle, but it's there.
It also has some similarities to the Galar Gym Theme a little bit. Same with the Paldea Gym Leader Theme. Sounds like Paldea copied Galar’s homework and asked if it could change a few things so it doesn’t look like it copied.
Right? No wonder bro is so edgy
Am I the only guy who got PTSD when Drayton said he loves the Polar Biome's temperature? His grandpa got literally turned into an ice statue.
Makes me wonder how long opelucid was covered in ice for, considering how we never see it back to normal after it gets iced. If Drayton just grew up in a frozen wasteland then he’s definitely used to it
@@variumiYes we do see go back to normal. In the credits of Black 2, we see the process of them working on it and by post-game it's gone
@@variumidid you… did you play the game
@@axeltheking4157 I kinda just forgot that happened and said it with my whole chest, sorry
@@max-lee1203Not only that, going to Opelucid in between having defeated Ghetsis and beating the game shows the ice both there and on Route 11 starting to melt a bit.
They just keep walking in circles in Castelia Park
yes
They're having a stair down.
I'm only 20 years old. But this makes me feel like an old man, for some reason.
I'm 16 and yeah me too
Pokémon games evolve fast
I'm 19 and I feel the same feeling
same
Welcome to the future, old man
-a fellow old man
This is the weirdest most complex remixes Gamefreak has done so far cause they sound like a whole different music, basically only hinting the originals. Battle themes apart, but also those have a heavily different vibe.
It's very amazing. Can't imagine the work they'll do on Kalos with Legends Z-A
Kirean with Iris and N seems stretchedly false though
I honestly prefer the old music, though that might just be nostalgia. Pokemon music in general are all bangers.
If it's made by the same team that made Legends Arceus I'm looking forward to their soundtrack. I grew up with diamond pearl and platinum it was my first game. Hearing the remixed Dialga and Palkia theme hit my soul out of my body for a few minutes. Same faces. Same Pokemon I knew. Dawn/Lucus to Akari/Rei.
That's how you remake OST's. You don't just remix the music and call it a day (ORAS and BDSP).
@@lonelyprplezealot1566definitely nostalgia and also depends on your taste in music. older Pokemon music had a more orchestral feel to it, while modern music seems to lean into the technological and more, well, modern options they can do now. I like both, but I'm leaning more towards newer music ^^
@@thighgraine yeah, I'm more of an orchestral enjoyer, but the new music is still good. Love the area zero themes.
Oh. Oh god. Am i a boomer?
In Pokémon years we all are.
Me too
Same for me
depends... in pokemon years, those of us who started in gen1 might even be ancient compared to boomers 👴
Arceus help us all, we where there for the release 💀
“Let’s set this part of the DLC in Unova, fill it with references to the Gen 5 games, and get fans totally hyped up for Black/White remakes…
…then announce Legends Z-A.”
Kalos have statues of reshiram and zekrom
No one said anything about white/black remakes yet
@@Oreca2005 Not in Lumiose though.
They duped johto enjoyers too, but tbh Kalos is almost hilariously perfect given we all legit thought it was at the edge of paldea before dlc was announced
Is the better
I have always said that what makes black and white music special is the great variety of sounds and instruments that can make a track unique. They even have choirs in their music
i can still hear audino's beep beep with the strong wild pokemon theme
Zamn, I'm getting old. I was 8 years old when Gen5 came out.
I was 10
@@Rose-yx6jqI was 4 and gen 5 is still nostalgic to me
@@Rose-yx6jq Me too
@@ynk-ike my first video game ever was Pokemon Ruby. I was around 6-8 but the first Pokemon game I actually took seriously was Pokemon White. I still have that save file and I was 19 when I beat that.
I was 3 and I played pokemon black and white as my first pokemon game. In above 2021( I know I am very late)
The fact that “Victory before your eyes” didn’t come back is CRIMINAL
(That was the theme for the gym leader’s last Pokemon)
I heavily disagree. This theme was more of a nuisance than anything and tbh I never liked it
That theme was my top
@@Horystar lost colress quote potential
"However... I DISAGREE!"
that was trash anyway, constant beeping
@@theamazingspooderman2697Beeping was low health lmao. And even that was sick as hell in Gen 5. Victory Lies Before You is one of the best songs in Pokemon history.
I didn't notice the legendary pokemon and e4 theme being in the elite four theme!!😮
I think is not
I'm amazed to learn that the Terarium theme is a mashup of different Unova themes.
Dude! I didn't even notice some of those references to other themes from Gen 5.
I’m just curious behind the decision to use Nate and Rosa instead of Hilda and Hilbert
ngl it was just because it was easier to cut the head out
@@The_Mammalizer Fair enough
I am flabbergasted that you've remembered Nate's name.
His... Everything is so forgettable.
HOW IS NATE FORGETTABLE
@@eeveeonticgamingRosa become the de facto mascot of Unova tbh
I understand why some are made about getting this then Z-A but in my mind this makes perfect sense
This was a nice little treat to hold over people who love Unova so they can focus on giving a region that truly does need the attention first
Kalos definitely needs some revised love before we jump head first into a Gen 5 game
Especially if we want them to give Unova the love it deserves
Fair as much as I love Unova Kalos had probably the most missed potential, so I'm down for a legends game in Kalos
@@doctortuxito7532 Exactly, Unova is pretty close to perfect so I'd definitely want them to touch up on Kalos before messing with something we all love like they did BDSP
@@calebs3613 id prefer a updated gen 5 over kalos kalos is far to new let them make the best gen 5 and let us have the option for hard mode from the start and ofcourse make it so we can ahve the old music since the new stuff sounds like garbage
Cant they just make a good pokemon game again. Its just shitty remakes
I was just wondering what my favorite gen's music would sound like remastered... and it was under my nose the entire time...
... Oh god...
I’ve never even played BW, but when I played the dlc, I immediately felt like vibing
I really like this type of comparison video! Honestly incredibly entertaining 💪🏾👍🏾
And the 5 gen remake?
Gamefreak with the indigo disk: Bro this is the 5 gen remake
They tease us I hope
If Game Freak and Pokemon company stick to form. The Unova remakes should be coming next gen. I know a lot of people were thinking they were going to be announced. But it really wasn't time yet, we are still in Gen 9. Excluding the first Kanto remakes(and Let's go, I guess) the remakes are always on the even numbered Gen and never on the same console.
Thankyou for creating this, this comparison brings both nostalgia for the old theme and excitement for the new theme
The old ones sound varied, clear and unique. The new one just sound like the same crowded, electronic
WHY IS NOBODY MENTIONING THE DELFOX LOGO LMAOo
nvm i found one. thanks @cancerstinks1
This is the exact definition of "Old is Gold"
The DLC was so peak omfg
I enjoyed so much getting the hints within each of the Indigo Disk's themes, I love Gen 5 so it was really a treat. I can't believe I never homed into the Canyon Biome's Driftveil references! I mean, I heard it but couldn't pin point what was it from
i played indigo disk much longer than bw but hearing the bw soundtracks makes me remember more of the games that the indigo disk ones
You can't perfect what's already perfected!
I’m going with the old one every single time
You have a keen ears to recognise most of these music. As a person who was born during gen 5 and first game was scarlet with the dlc I can confirm that gen 5 is superior🗿🗿🗿
I know that the originals will never beat the remixed version of these tracks but I'm just simply happy for the fact that they're there. They also don't have to necessarily be on par either. Opelucid's portion for example is just describing a more snowy feel, which makes sense since it takes place in the Polar Biome. Same with Coastal Biome taking cues from Driftveil City's theme, especially since that's where Lacey is.
I can only imagine it was fun for music team to come back and play with those babies around
Black and White/2 was my childhood all the references in the DLC were so awesome
I feel gen 5 had more variation in their songs and made it noticeable whereas scarlet and violet feels hollow
Like its tech based and lacks the sounds a real instrument would make.
Idk how to explain but think scarlet and violet has its music as one continuous beat that has no pauses whereas black and white does even when the song is continuous every instrument takes a break for the other to shine through
It feels like it was forced tbh
Both, both are good
This brings me back
Gen5 just hit different
Conclusion we need a Masuda🫠
the og ones sound grander idk why but they just do.
better, more striking soundfont tbh
@@ProtoTypeFMtrue. In the originals, you can CLEARLY hear the beat and how impactful each note was. In SV, you can barely hear the beat thanks to the instruments sounding too uniform. Plus, every song sounds the same in terms of tone.
The older games had better music. 100%
Its no wonder we all thought we were gonna get legit Gen 5 remakes for so longer.
Please Make Mario and Luigi OST hits hard
Yoko Shimomura is the goat and she should compose for Pokémon
Is it me or were there only 1 noticeable instrument being used in the gen 9 versions of half the songs? I know not all the songs were 1 to 1 remakes or remasters but gen 9 sounds more empty
Played my last pokemon game at 14 years old, it was pokemon ruby for the gameboy advance. You are ALL young.
But I still can name all 251 from the first 2 generations!
The old themes slap so much harder than the remixes
I can't believe these similarities to a DLC. And NO Gen 5 is coming.
They threw remixes on purpose ..
I mean, Blueberry Academy is in Unova, and all the BB elite four are from Unova, with Lacey being Clay’s daughter, and Drayton being the grandson of Drayden.
I have a theory it's because most of Japanese society currently thinks Americans are crazy, and they don't wanna do a full remake based on games in America.
@@phonicrose8395I totally buy that
It def seems strange, tho I'm relieved because I wanna see game freak make better games before soiling my beloved Gen 5.
Kalos really does deserve it more, considering Gen 6 didn't get an enhanced release so that sun/moon could be out in time for the anniversary
The old ones kinda sound cleaner?? Or it is just me?
No I get exactly what you're saying. The newer ones sound kinda muddled and not as crisp. It's easier to pick out the different parts with the older renditions.
Not just you, new ones also sounded super busy to me too.
Honestly the old version still rocks hard
Sorry but the older versions have more charm to them IMO. Sure the new ones have better sound but the older versions just hit much better.
Thanks for this :)
THEY ARE BOTH GOOD LETS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gods I feel old 😅
Interesante el rock del DLC, pero ese tema de Iris es tranquilizador para el momento.
This is an incredibly edited video!
Wow.... 5 smacked 9 in music to me.
the old obv the goat no comparison
Nothing will ever beat black and white elite 4 theme
I'm turning 18 this year, and I played the original games. I prefer the old music. I'm definitely gonma be called a Zoomer in the future.
I still believe the backlash from gen4remake made them scrap the gen5remake, and we got saved by the new legenda annoucement. When it does come out it will be glorious
They might've pushed the Gen. 5 remakes back so that they're actually good.
Both are goated
1:50 i think the lore for Relic song is
during BW time, Meloetta forgot about song, so the musician playing the song for it
and during indigodisk DLC, Meloetta finally can sing the song by itself
What’s this? An actually good meme anout differences between versions of a song? I’m genuinely and pleasantly surprised.
I prefer the Black and White OST more, it was nice the DLC to pay homage but some aren't as good as the original, some were even hard to listen to for me at least.
I’d have to agree, while yes I do like some more than the originals. I prefer the new trainer battle theme, Relic song, and Kieran’s decisive battle. But pound for pound black and white is just better music wise
they consistently turned it soulless...
I pray to the god Arceaus himself for a remake of Gen 5 to come to switch at some point
BW/B2W2 has more sound fidelity than S/V. How the fuck...
You had to go extra hard when you knew it was gonna be thrown through a crispy ass chip.
I love the old soundfont more, yes. But there is reasons
Honestly, I just prefer g 5s
Bot sure if it's legitimately better or just nostalgia
My fucking third eye is opening because i only caught the driftveil bit as an actual remix aside from the battle themes of course
They had us at the first not gonna lie. We had this and we got Legends Z-A. AHAHAHAHA
I like the references, but bw music just feels so much more full, not sure how else to describe it. I find the older music a lot more satisfying to listen to, but that's probably also partially due to nostalgia.
I'm just amazed how much detail and optimization Gamefreak put into Pokemon Black and White, but then couldn't even optimize FPS for Pokemon Violet and Scarlet
This isn't a contest BW slaps
"Wow they've announced Gen 5,"
(Blinks)
"Unova vs Indigo Disk, Old vs New"
Old and gold, also glorius
that’s the closest to a B&W remake that we’re gonna get
As an OG BW player, I say both are good. 👍🏽👍🏽
Ok never once did i think id agree with those people that say the ogs were better but here i am... the og themes are way better than these remastered ones, they just dont seem like the same song anymore to me.
Because only the battle and trainer themes are remastered, as far as I remember, the rest are just used in parts of songs.
I think the new themes are not even close to being as a good as the originals, they lack personality and feel like an amalgamation of way too many stuff, just listen to the wild Pokémon themes, they sound more like a ultra beast theme more than a wild Pokémon, I’m just not a fan at all of the new themes
I think it’s mostly (but not entirely) due to the punch and impact of the choice in instrumentation. The OG’s choice in instruments leave more of an impression
not going to lie i can't wait for them to make a gen 5 remake.
the old ost more impactful and HD
Nice video
In my time, the modern version improved the songs
The e4 thing is definitely a stretch considering the legends got their theme remixed…
The old ones are wayyy better
TPC: "For part 2 of the DLC, let's throw a bunch of references to Unova in there. Possibly hint that Gen. 5 remakes are coming."
Also TPC: "Surprise! All those Unova hints were a ruse. We're actually announcing a new 'Legends' title, and this time, you're going back to Kalos!".
Gen 5 is still superior
Something feels odd about calling Black and white old, like i was there when it was the newest thing.
But that was what 10 years ago?
Old Pokémon games are just better.
The Best.
Damn we old
HOORAY! All those wrong notes you played made sound more original.
no matter what game has black and white music it's going to hit hard.
I like the remixes of the battle themes much more, I feel like they have more personality
Both are good.
I'm going to be honest, I really love more the original gen 5 music and that never change, it's more cool to be honest 😊 and that's because I have a lot of love for the gen 5 games
Gen 5 best gen forever!!!
We need a Gen 7 Music Hits Real Hard
you guys forgot the rival battle
I think both are great tbh
Sounds like Unova music
Old version 100000% better