Thanks for a really useful video. I got a Kona myself just before Xmas last year and have been really impressed. As my first EV the steepest learning curve has been figuring out the complexity of the charging border (south of the border at least) but after that it’s been really straightforward to tackle long journeys. Kona facebook forum is full of posts of people getting efficiencies of 5mi/kWh so it’s reassuring to see another Kona driver getting 3.5-4 mi/kWh on motorway journeys which is spot on what I get (drops to around 3.2 kWh in winter). Thing that impressed me most was you getting the family and all their luggage in the Kona as it’s the lack of boot space which is one of the few issues of frustration at times.
The more I drive the Kona the more it surprises me. Yes 5 mi/kWh if you drive slow. I've taken the fake floor and all the storage out of the boot. It make it much deeper so manage to stack more in the boot.
Great stuff James. "bladder range" is a very important consideration that separates your reviews from the rest. Lol. Thanks for the info. I get my kona in August and look forward to it.
I love the ioniq but the Kona seems convincing. I've test driven electric kona too and it was very impressive. Great video, hope you enjoyed your holiday. Subscribed!
Really impressive, love the fact you did that journey like you would in any other car, no range anxiety or stress about overheating batteries, this is the future! Now if Hyundai could put that battery pack and motor in their i800 I would be knocking on their door! Nicely done
@@LemonTeaLeaf I think that will be my next car, the ID Buzz with the 300+ mile range. Unless someone else comes out with something better and cheaper. But unlikely. Still a couple of years away but worth the wait I hope.
brilliant I am going to get one of these cars from work but have been worried traveling to Wales for holidays from Birmingham, manly not the range but charging it.
You'll find that all the new rapid chargers in the UK now have contactless, apple/android pay. I dont think you'll have as much trouble as me with RFID cards, but still worth getting some of the free ones. Also look into 'Charge My Hyundai' RFID card which has a one stop solution and can be used across a lot of networks.
Hi James, I’m so glad you are driving a Kona Electric now. I also had a 40 kWh Leaf but I had to trade it in for a Niro EV after a year struggling with all the Rapidgate issues. I learned a lot about the Leaf watching your videos but I guess we both felt we needed something better.
Rapidgate is an issue but I would have kept the Leaf if my folks weren't so keen on going EV. I would by another Leaf 40 kWh but only as a second car due to long-range throttling.
I’ve used the Sandbach Co-Op services just of the M6, but I used it for a return journey from Chatsworth back to Whitchurch. So easy to use and fast. Like the Greg’s too
Great video. I get mine today! I hope to get similar mileage as you. I currently have an Ioniq plug in because nothing had the range I needed until except a Tesla which wasn’t an option. I’m in Canada so we’ll see how winter goes but the heat pump should help. Doesn’t have anything to do with the car but I love your accent.
Hope you're enjoying the new car? it's got a bit more of a kick than the Ioniq plugin for sure. As for my accent, thank you 😄, I do forget that I have at times 😀
Merci pour cette vidéo, qui nous permet de voir l’utilisation d'un véhcule électrique en Angleterre 🇬🇧 et plus particulièrement le Kona, en espérant que vous avez passé de bonnes vacances en France 🇫🇷
I never thought about people using my video to get into and around the UK for their holiday, I was expecting people to watch it too get out and into the EU :D great that you found it useful and our trip to France was as amazing as ever the kids love going for our summer break.
Thanks for the great video, my only problem with the Kona is the leg room in the back but I haven't been in one the test myself, as I an 6 feet tall LOL
The Kona is more cramped for leg room in the back than the e-Niro. If you are 6' or more with long legs the e-Niro is robably the better option. They are both really good cars.
the rear seats are for the kids so for us it's perfect. would be interesting to see the space available. but looking at the cabin size it's a little wider than the Nissan Leaf and it doesn't seem that much smaller than it also. Just a smaller boot size.
The only card I use was the NewMotion . Think there's another RFID, but in northern France NewMotion one seemed more popular at the time. Also, Ionity is a good place to charge with just your credit card on the motorways if a tat expensive. newmotion.com/nl-nl/klantenservice/faq/laadpas
I love communication technology. Here I am on my way from the north of Montréal to my home 245 Km north of Québec City a journey of 555 km. I’ve stopped at a 50 kwh chargeur rapide at the same time as I'm having a sandwich, coffee, toilet break and watching you. This will be the only stop with my Kona E and the usage is so far is 6.1Km per kwh, as near as dam it, 3.8 mls per kwh my average speed is 108Kmh ( 68 mph ).
Lemon-Tea Leaf . Yes I’m amazed as well. After I wrote the comment, I set off for the last leg of the journey up into the mountains of the Jacques- Cartier national park, where the temperatures fall from 21c to 16c in conjunction with the km per kHw. On the steep descent down the other side it’s fascinating to see the efficiency of the regeneration system bringing the average back up again.
James, this is the type of video I have been waiting for......real Scottish weather as well. I've never went that far south in my Zoe Q90....but your first stop at Killington Lake is only something I can dream of. My first stop when going to Derby is Southwaite and then Knutsford. I only cruise at 60 mph as at 70mph in the Zoe would give me roughly 2.8 mpkwh. Good to see CCS working for you at Killington. I've only seen Ioniqs working there. Audi e-tron doesn't. Do you know how available kWh you have in the Kona? My Zoe states I've only got 37kwh after 24k miles.......so I'd never make it Killington from Barrhead.
Thank David, the Kona definitely has 64 kWh useable as I once had 10% left on the battery gauge and after a full charge it took in 65 kWh of energy. I heard it could actually be 71 kWh pack in total but don't quote me no that. The efficiency of the Kona at 70mph is something all other car manufacturers need to aim for 3.5 mi/kWh in the downpour isn't bad is it.
@@LemonTeaLeaf that is excellent. It may be the Michelin EV tyres on my Zoe but any rain tears off at least 0.5 mpkwh on my efficiency. I should also mention that,like all good Dads, your best way to drive on a family holiday is without them 🤣
you should have done a top gear race you in car vs plane and all the travel from home and waiting and costs so for each of you you could see price and time
Great video James! Hey buddy, it looks like this car is much better suited for your family than the 40kWh Leaf. Is the 62kWh Leaf more expensive than the Kona? Even if it isn’t you are better off with the active battery cooling system. That is, if the Kona has that. I honestly don’t know too much about it and it’s a shame it doesn’t get more attention from the EV nerds out there on RUclips. It looks like an awesome car, but all you hear about on RUclips is Tesla this and Tesla that or sometimes Leaf and iPace as well. Looking forward to all your Kona videos coming in the future. I really wish I had that car for an option over here. 🙂
Hey James, The Leaf 40kWh was perfect for commuting to work but the Kona is definitely the family car for us. The battery is liquid cool for sure and it shows when charging on long trips. Also, it's around £3k (3.7k USD) less expensive than the Leaf 62 kWh. The boot/trunk is smaller but it's perfectly fine in size, basically between a Nissan Juke and Leaf in size. As much as I would have liked a Tesla Model 3 the Kona is more unique as I've not seen another on the road since we got it and the efficiency is absolutely crazy! Nissan has a lot of catching up that's for sure.
I'm a bit surprised the Route Planner doesn't pick up the weather details automatically from the web? It should be automated rather than asking you to put them in yourself.
They have that option now but I think it's part of the monthly subscription package, it'll also connect to your car info via the OBD2 dongle do it even figures out on the fly your range left.
I did see you on our trip down to see friends and I looked at your car charging. My wife and I walked passed the car with our dog when you were at Killington lake. Very informative video as I’m looking at the Kona or e-Niro for my company car. How did you find out about the various cards do you need them to use the charging station?
The Kona and the e-Niro would make great company cars, good to hear that's an option. As for the cards If you're in England you'll only need ether CYC+New Motion or Polar+New Motion, I had to do a bit of research to figure out all the cards/apps I might need for the trip, not the best solution. But fear not there is a law in place saying that EV charge points need to be contactless by 2020. www.energylivenews.com/2019/07/15/all-new-rapid-ev-charging-points-must-offer-card-payments-by-2020/
Lemon-Tea Leaf hi thanks for the heads up, I live near Coatbridge so I travel a bit to Yorkshire every week, what cards will I need for Scotland? Thanks for your help
Great video, which service did you stop at for your first charge and used the Ecotricity charger as it is always good to know which Ecotricity chargers actually work on the Kona.
I stopped at Killington as its was the only one with good CCS review with a Kona on the comments that had charged before me. Here it is on plugshare: www.plugshare.com/location/46256
I’m thinking of getting an EV for my next car in Feb/Mar, the Kona looks to be the front runner so thank you for this real world review. Can you or anyone tell me what the cost of charging the car is both at home on my drive and at the public charging points? That would be very useful in my attempts to decipher the total cost/saving of switching to an EV. My normal week is a 30 mile commute to and then 30 mile from work with a fair amount of Town driving in between. How would that fayre in an EV?
If you multiply the kWh by the cost you'll get the answer you're after. so if at home it's 20p kWh that would mean 0.20p x 64kWh = £12.80p most public charge points are around 35-45p so you're looking at 45p x 64kWh = £28.80p, it'll most likely only cost £20 outside as you would never run it down to 0% or charge above 80-90%
How easy is it to adjust to losing the pro pilot? Is the Kona equivalent as good/helpful? 2018 leaf owner here, wishing I had the best of both worlds! Great video!
Hiya. I moved from a 2018 leaf 40kWh to Kona 64 kWh this year. I honestly do not miss the pro pilot at all. Now I must be honest and say I thought it was a bit gimmicky anyway but still no probs with the Kona. I tell you what really surprised me was the Kona’s regen system. It’s terrific. You can alter the amount of regen and its lovely and very smooth in all settings even the most aggressive mode. There’s an auto hold fuction too allowing you to hold the cat at traffic lights or hills. It puts the e pedal to shame. If you get a chance try one for yourself and you’ll see. Range wise I drove 360km the other day of which over 300 was on the motorway. Got home with 22% SOC remaining.
The LKA is the same as the ProPilot and in some ways better than the Leaf like when I was in the heavy rain in the video it kept on working. the downside for me is that fact that once it can't read the lines on the road it just switches off, unlike the Leaf that beeps at you. The thing I miss the most is the ePedal it's like the easy mode for driving in heavy traffic. The Kona has the Left padel auto-hold but doesn't take long to get used to.
so from 10-80% that is roughly 45kWh of energy most charging rapid station charge between 25-45p a kWh which works out to be £11.25p-£20.25p also that 70% charge should see the kona for another 180-225 miles. but if you're charging from home prices can be, with special off peak EV rate 5p all the way upto around 17p with general electric suppliers.
Lemon-Tea Leaf thank you so much for that advice, I'm thinking of getting the kona or the ID3 Volkswagen wagon as my lease is up for renewal in December. I've just watched your video from Scotland to Newcastle. Fantastic in depth video of that travelling distance that helps me out big time. So i think my mind has been made up by that video, I'm now off to watch you do the Nissan Leaf and the kona. Thanks again
Dank have you seen the price of the new zoe 50kWh? It's a little bit of a step up from the 40...yeah 16k vs 25k...when will we start getting affordable bevs? My predication is 2025 :(
This is the car we lean towards to replace our Prius. That would have taken 11 gallons of petrol or even a little more in the atrocious conditions in the first part of your journey. Did you say how much the total charging cost please?
The first charge cost around £12 on Ecotricity 2nd polar should have cost £8 (not been billed yet) 3rd polar was on free vend but should have cost £10 7kW charger at Euro Tunnel was free Actual cost = £12 Should have cost if billed for all charges around £30
Thanks James. The Kona seems to be what people have been waiting for; a (slightly) less expensive car which has sufficient range that it can be driven normally without having to worry too much about range. It's shameful that Hyundai are essentially price-fixing them by restricting seriously their availability. It's unacceptable for manufacturers to make customers wait for ridiculously long periods, in the hope that they might cave in and buy an inferior product from them.
Definitely the car that is needed to making people convert from fossil fuel, the lack of vehicles for sale and the increase in price since we got ours won't help adoption for sure. At the current price of £37.5k I'm not sure we would have bought it as its a large premium.
Totally agree. In Scotland we only need the one RFID card (Charge Place Scotland) the rest of the UK is a bit of a mess. I should have mentioned that all chargers need to be contactless by end of 2020 in the UK and a they are starting to roll this out.
If we leave without a deal then our passports would need to have at least 6 months left until it expires and be less than 10 years old. We would also likely loose our EHIC (European wide health insurance) which would mean getting private travel insurance. In terms of taking vehicles over we will need an international driving permit and a green card (which takes 1 month to get). We also won't be able to take our pets with us with the EU pet passport. At border conrol we will need to show we have money to spend for our stay and can no longer use the EU, EEA and swiss citizen lanes. The EU also has EU wide free data roaming on mobile phones, which will also come to an end and we would need to check with our provider. All this information is from the Gov.uk website.
main checks at the border from the EuroTunnel so I'll need my passport if we leave the EU. Also, I'll need to buy medical insurance if that is the case.
@@tziganeofwales It all sucks. Glad we went to the Cotswolds this summer for our holiday and had a briljant time there. But it will have some effects with a no deal. We love to go to the UK but if it will take so much planning we might skip it for Scandinavia for example.
It's a free web browser page when I first used it. They have a mobile phone app now called "A Better Routeplanner (ABRP)" not sure if it works with apple car play or Android Auto might be worth a try to see. No subscription from what i could tell, but you can sign in to save routes if i remember.
@@johnbunford2719 Doesn't look like it currently supports this feature. Hopefully they'll add this in future. forum.abetterrouteplanner.com/topic/1127-feature-request-androidauto/?tab=comments#comment-3371
Concerned that the CCS charger didn't work at full capacity for you. Is this common or what is your other experience of public charging? Thinking of going electric but hesitant about reliability as well as availability of public chargers.
in the UK Electrichighway chargers can be an issue but there are lots of alternatives including the Polar chargers I was using. as for full capacity, it would have been good to have a faster charger and only charging at 47 kW instead of the 77 kW max charge speed is hopefully changing as the ultra chargers are starting to show up around UK/Europe now.
You seemed to be being very conservative with your charging. Not getting below 100 miles or 40%. Fair enough but your losing all the advantages over the 40kwh leaf by not using any of that 40%. Guess it's good for battery life.
If i remember correctly I think I got tired before the car did so needed the break. On my return trip video i tried to go the distance of the battery and ended up needing to stop before then for a bathroom break.
Please it's pronounced sand batch (samdbach). Thank I know many people struggle with this but if your from England, Bach when part of a word is pronounced batch.
I'm so glad I have NOT taken the plunge into full EV's yet. The last thing that needs to happen with a new EV Adopter is issues with charging infrastructure, or lack thereof, plus a whole host of stupid cards and apps just for the privilege of having some company take your money. When WORKING chargers become ubiquitous and companies finally figure out that they could just accept a common charge card such as Visa or MasterCard for payment, (you know, like the gas stations do), that will be a day for celebration. Also, these issues with charging compatibility standards need to get worked out sooner than later. On virtually every RUclips video I've watched about EV's, there has been some kind of charging issue, either the charging stall is out of order, or it shuts down some time during the charging session, or it's blocked by an ICE vehicle, or it's located off the beaten path therefore requiring a detour just to get there. My wife and I will soon be living in an apartment building so there will be no opportunity to charge overnight using cheap rates, which would make us totally dependent on EXPENSIVE fast chargers. Currently, we drive a Kia Niro Hybrid Touring in Canada and couldn't be happier. With a range on a fill-up of over 900 km (562 miles) and mileage approaching 60 Imperial mpg, there's NEVER any anxiety. I did look at a similarly equipped Kia E-Niro and it carries a 60% Price Premium over our Hybrid. Yikes!!!! Yeah, it can accelerate to 60 mph a little quicker than ours but I can already light the tires on our Hybrid at will in Sport Mode, so Whoop-Dee-Do! In a climate where vehicles typically rust out in 12 years, there's virtually no shot at a return on investment for an EV at this stage. Higher fuel prices in Europe will definitely change the financial equation to be more in favour of EV's.
Its changing fast as the UK government has put a deadline that all chargers will have to adopt contactless card payment by end of 2020. But I agree it is silly the number of cards/apps needed.
Its changing fast as the UK government has put a deadline that all chargers will have to adopt contactless card payment by end of 2020. But I agree it is silly the number of cards/apps needed. I did put the Telsa Model 3 on the list of long-range car for Jen to decide on but she opted for the Kona.
depends on where you are, and what you want to accept in roaming fees. It's right now still a bit of a cowboy market. And Teslas have that as well, unless you want to be limited to using their superchargers which in many places aren't broadly available. Newmotion and Plugsurfing are working hard on creating a common platform, you can use their cards at most charging points (though you may pay a bit of a surcharge). Main reason for all the different cards right now is to avoid those surcharges. In that regard EV charging is pretty much where cellphone coverage was 10-15 years ago, where you could connect to other networks than the one you were subscribed to but it'd cost you an arm and a leg to do so. At least with EV charge cards you don't need to have separate hardware for each network, just an app or card.
I don't know how i got here, i don't know why i watched. But i watched it to the end and was gripped lol, loved it!
Thanks for sticking till the end you're a legend :D
Fantastic and very informative, many thanks
Love the road trip - real world experience review . Thanks !!
Thanks for a really useful video. I got a Kona myself just before Xmas last year and have been really impressed. As my first EV the steepest learning curve has been figuring out the complexity of the charging border (south of the border at least) but after that it’s been really straightforward to tackle long journeys. Kona facebook forum is full of posts of people getting efficiencies of 5mi/kWh so it’s reassuring to see another Kona driver getting 3.5-4 mi/kWh on motorway journeys which is spot on what I get (drops to around 3.2 kWh in winter). Thing that impressed me most was you getting the family and all their luggage in the Kona as it’s the lack of boot space which is one of the few issues of frustration at times.
The more I drive the Kona the more it surprises me. Yes 5 mi/kWh if you drive slow. I've taken the fake floor and all the storage out of the boot. It make it much deeper so manage to stack more in the boot.
Great stuff James. "bladder range" is a very important consideration that separates your reviews from the rest. Lol. Thanks for the info. I get my kona in August and look forward to it.
thanks, Oh you're going to love the car I'm still amazed at the effiency of the Kona compared to all the new cars that are coming out.
I love the ioniq but the Kona seems convincing. I've test driven electric kona too and it was very impressive. Great video, hope you enjoyed your holiday. Subscribed!
The holiday was great lots of food and beaches. Thanks for the subscription it's much appreciated 😃
Really impressive, love the fact you did that journey like you would in any other car, no range anxiety or stress about overheating batteries, this is the future! Now if Hyundai could put that battery pack and motor in their i800 I would be knocking on their door! Nicely done
people carrier is the way forward! hopefully the VW Buzz will come out soon, that'll put Nissan ENV200 on the back foot.
@@LemonTeaLeaf I think that will be my next car, the ID Buzz with the 300+ mile range. Unless someone else comes out with something better and cheaper. But unlikely. Still a couple of years away but worth the wait I hope.
And if they can drop the price significantly enough to allow most people to buy one. Which doesn't seem likely in the next decade :(
brilliant I am going to get one of these cars from work but have been worried traveling to Wales for holidays from Birmingham, manly not the range but charging it.
You'll find that all the new rapid chargers in the UK now have contactless, apple/android pay. I dont think you'll have as much trouble as me with RFID cards, but still worth getting some of the free ones. Also look into 'Charge My Hyundai' RFID card which has a one stop solution and can be used across a lot of networks.
Great review of a real world journey.
Thanks :)
Hi James,
I’m so glad you are driving a Kona Electric now. I also had a 40 kWh Leaf but I had to trade it in for a Niro EV after a year struggling with all the Rapidgate issues. I learned a lot about the Leaf watching your videos but I guess we both felt we needed something better.
Rapidgate is an issue but I would have kept the Leaf if my folks weren't so keen on going EV. I would by another Leaf 40 kWh but only as a second car due to long-range throttling.
Nice one James, long time no see.
Great video James your right polar chargers are great use them all the time for my BMW i3 in a year never had one problem with them
very good demonstration many thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Similar experience in Kona 64 kW on trip from Paisley to London (M6 + M40) 2 days ago. Top up's at Killington Lake and Norton Canes.
The trip was effortless, hope you had better weather than me :)
Great video - hope the trip was good fun!
It was really good fun and from an EV perspective very interesting driving around France.
I’ve used the Sandbach Co-Op services just of the M6, but I used it for a return journey from Chatsworth back to Whitchurch.
So easy to use and fast. Like the Greg’s too
Definitely better than pay for over price service station food and electrons. and it's just off the motorway which is great.
Great video. I get mine today!
I hope to get similar mileage as you.
I currently have an Ioniq plug in because nothing had the range I needed until except a Tesla which wasn’t an option.
I’m in Canada so we’ll see how winter goes but the heat pump should help.
Doesn’t have anything to do with the car but I love your accent.
Hope you're enjoying the new car? it's got a bit more of a kick than the Ioniq plugin for sure. As for my accent, thank you 😄, I do forget that I have at times 😀
Good video James. Not surprised the Eurotunnel rapids didnt work with the Kona they are the same ones as on Electric Highway.
Yes they did looks suspiciously like the DBT EH charger but with different decals... I honestly didn't have much faith when I saw them.
Great video James! Like the video in video shot. 👍
Merci pour cette vidéo, qui nous permet de voir l’utilisation d'un véhcule électrique en Angleterre 🇬🇧 et plus particulièrement le Kona, en espérant que vous avez passé de bonnes vacances en France 🇫🇷
I never thought about people using my video to get into and around the UK for their holiday, I was expecting people to watch it too get out and into the EU :D great that you found it useful and our trip to France was as amazing as ever the kids love going for our summer break.
@@LemonTeaLeaf J'attends mon Kona pour juin peut-être ferais-je le voyage en sens inverse 😊
Thanks for the great video, my only problem with the Kona is the leg room in the back but I haven't been in one the test myself, as I an 6 feet tall LOL
The Kona is more cramped for leg room in the back than the e-Niro. If you are 6' or more with long legs the e-Niro is robably the better option. They are both really good cars.
If the seat in front is not right back it is not that bad.
the rear seats are for the kids so for us it's perfect. would be interesting to see the space available. but looking at the cabin size it's a little wider than the Nissan Leaf and it doesn't seem that much smaller than it also. Just a smaller boot size.
@@benjaminford9932 yeah, or the e-Soul. Both are roomier than the Kona.
Really good and informative video 👍 we are going to Northern France in 2022. Do do recommend some kind of RFID card for France? Thanks
The only card I use was the NewMotion . Think there's another RFID, but in northern France NewMotion one seemed more popular at the time. Also, Ionity is a good place to charge with just your credit card on the motorways if a tat expensive.
newmotion.com/nl-nl/klantenservice/faq/laadpas
I love communication technology. Here I am on my way from the north of Montréal to my home 245 Km north of Québec City a journey of 555 km. I’ve stopped at a 50 kwh chargeur rapide at the same time as I'm having a sandwich, coffee, toilet break and watching you. This will be the only stop with my Kona E and the usage is so far is 6.1Km per kwh, as near as dam it, 3.8 mls per kwh my average speed is 108Kmh ( 68 mph ).
Good to hear you got the same sort of results as I did on our similar trip. I’m still amazing at the efficiency of the car at high speeds.
Lemon-Tea Leaf . Yes I’m amazed as well. After I wrote the comment, I set off for the last leg of the journey up into the mountains of the Jacques- Cartier national park, where the temperatures fall from 21c to 16c in conjunction with the km per kHw. On the steep descent down the other side it’s fascinating to see the efficiency of the regeneration system bringing the average back up again.
Easy peasy lemon tea leaf squeezy
That's my new catchphrase :D
James, this is the type of video I have been waiting for......real Scottish weather as well. I've never went that far south in my Zoe Q90....but your first stop at Killington Lake is only something I can dream of. My first stop when going to Derby is Southwaite and then Knutsford. I only cruise at 60 mph as at 70mph in the Zoe would give me roughly 2.8 mpkwh. Good to see CCS working for you at Killington. I've only seen Ioniqs working there. Audi e-tron doesn't.
Do you know how available kWh you have in the Kona? My Zoe states I've only got 37kwh after 24k miles.......so I'd never make it Killington from Barrhead.
Thank David, the Kona definitely has 64 kWh useable as I once had 10% left on the battery gauge and after a full charge it took in 65 kWh of energy. I heard it could actually be 71 kWh pack in total but don't quote me no that. The efficiency of the Kona at 70mph is something all other car manufacturers need to aim for 3.5 mi/kWh in the downpour isn't bad is it.
@@LemonTeaLeaf that is excellent. It may be the Michelin EV tyres on my Zoe but any rain tears off at least 0.5 mpkwh on my efficiency. I should also mention that,like all good Dads, your best way to drive on a family holiday is without them 🤣
Haha it was rather relaxing listening to the lashing rain.
you should have done a top gear race you in car vs plane and all the travel from home and waiting and costs
so for each of you you could see price and time
I’m getting 5.2 miles per kw on mixed driving so I suspect after your car has run in you’ll get a lot better mileage
Its hard not to put your foot down :)
John
Not during the winter months though, then it drops to around 3-8 to 4-1 depending on how cold it is.
@@wobby1516 don’t you have the heat pump?
I’ve been told that pretty much solves that issue.
Sandbach service now has working charging station .
Great video James! Hey buddy, it looks like this car is much better suited for your family than the 40kWh Leaf. Is the 62kWh Leaf more expensive than the Kona? Even if it isn’t you are better off with the active battery cooling system. That is, if the Kona has that. I honestly don’t know too much about it and it’s a shame it doesn’t get more attention from the EV nerds out there on RUclips. It looks like an awesome car, but all you hear about on RUclips is Tesla this and Tesla that or sometimes Leaf and iPace as well.
Looking forward to all your Kona videos coming in the future. I really wish I had that car for an option over here. 🙂
Hey James, The Leaf 40kWh was perfect for commuting to work but the Kona is definitely the family car for us. The battery is liquid cool for sure and it shows when charging on long trips. Also, it's around £3k (3.7k USD) less expensive than the Leaf 62 kWh. The boot/trunk is smaller but it's perfectly fine in size, basically between a Nissan Juke and Leaf in size. As much as I would have liked a Tesla Model 3 the Kona is more unique as I've not seen another on the road since we got it and the efficiency is absolutely crazy! Nissan has a lot of catching up that's for sure.
I'm a bit surprised the Route Planner doesn't pick up the weather details automatically from the web? It should be automated rather than asking you to put them in yourself.
They have that option now but I think it's part of the monthly subscription package, it'll also connect to your car info via the OBD2 dongle do it even figures out on the fly your range left.
I did see you on our trip down to see friends and I looked at your car charging. My wife and I walked passed the car with our dog when you were at Killington lake. Very informative video as I’m looking at the Kona or e-Niro for my company car. How did you find out about the various cards do you need them to use the charging station?
The Kona and the e-Niro would make great company cars, good to hear that's an option. As for the cards If you're in England you'll only need ether CYC+New Motion or Polar+New Motion, I had to do a bit of research to figure out all the cards/apps I might need for the trip, not the best solution. But fear not there is a law in place saying that EV charge points need to be contactless by 2020.
www.energylivenews.com/2019/07/15/all-new-rapid-ev-charging-points-must-offer-card-payments-by-2020/
Lemon-Tea Leaf hi thanks for the heads up, I live near Coatbridge so I travel a bit to Yorkshire every week, what cards will I need for Scotland? Thanks for your help
great video
Great video, which service did you stop at for your first charge and used the Ecotricity charger as it is always good to know which Ecotricity chargers actually work on the Kona.
I stopped at Killington as its was the only one with good CCS review with a Kona on the comments that had charged before me.
Here it is on plugshare:
www.plugshare.com/location/46256
Hello James!
Hey Andrew!!! CSGO +1
I’m thinking of getting an EV for my next car in Feb/Mar, the Kona looks to be the front runner so thank you for this real world review.
Can you or anyone tell me what the cost of charging the car is both at home on my drive and at the public charging points?
That would be very useful in my attempts to decipher the total cost/saving of switching to an EV.
My normal week is a 30 mile commute to and then 30 mile from work with a fair amount of Town driving in between.
How would that fayre in an EV?
If you multiply the kWh by the cost you'll get the answer you're after. so if at home it's 20p kWh that would mean 0.20p x 64kWh = £12.80p most public charge points are around 35-45p so you're looking at 45p x 64kWh = £28.80p, it'll most likely only cost £20 outside as you would never run it down to 0% or charge above 80-90%
How easy is it to adjust to losing the pro pilot? Is the Kona equivalent as good/helpful?
2018 leaf owner here, wishing I had the best of both worlds!
Great video!
Hiya. I moved from a 2018 leaf 40kWh to Kona 64 kWh this year. I honestly do not miss the pro pilot at all. Now I must be honest and say I thought it was a bit gimmicky anyway but still no probs with the Kona. I tell you what really surprised me was the Kona’s regen system. It’s terrific. You can alter the amount of regen and its lovely and very smooth in all settings even the most aggressive mode. There’s an auto hold fuction too allowing you to hold the cat at traffic lights or hills. It puts the e pedal to shame. If you get a chance try one for yourself and you’ll see. Range wise I drove 360km the other day of which over 300 was on the motorway. Got home with 22% SOC remaining.
irishjg1 ahhh see that’s the stuff of dreams for me. Really puts it into perspective. Thanks!
The LKA is the same as the ProPilot and in some ways better than the Leaf like when I was in the heavy rain in the video it kept on working. the downside for me is that fact that once it can't read the lines on the road it just switches off, unlike the Leaf that beeps at you.
The thing I miss the most is the ePedal it's like the easy mode for driving in heavy traffic. The Kona has the Left padel auto-hold but doesn't take long to get used to.
What is the cost of charging the car up at the garage, nobody ever mentions the cost of it to a 80% charge
so from 10-80% that is roughly 45kWh of energy most charging rapid station charge between 25-45p a kWh which works out to be £11.25p-£20.25p also that 70% charge should see the kona for another 180-225 miles. but if you're charging from home prices can be, with special off peak EV rate 5p all the way upto around 17p with general electric suppliers.
Lemon-Tea Leaf thank you so much for that advice, I'm thinking of getting the kona or the ID3 Volkswagen wagon as my lease is up for renewal in December. I've just watched your video from Scotland to Newcastle. Fantastic in depth video of that travelling distance that helps me out big time. So i think my mind has been made up by that video, I'm now off to watch you do the Nissan Leaf and the kona. Thanks again
Great videos mate
Hi How much did the charging cost thanks
Think I only paid for 1 out of 4 of the charger for this trip which was about £15 if i paid for them all it would be closer to £50 for the whole trip.
@@LemonTeaLeaf Thank you for your reply we are new to EV getting a new kona next week.
Dank have you seen the price of the new zoe 50kWh? It's a little bit of a step up from the 40...yeah 16k vs 25k...when will we start getting affordable bevs? My predication is 2025 :(
The Skoda as the citigo which is rather small but says starting price of £15k
This is the car we lean towards to replace our Prius. That would have taken 11 gallons of petrol or even a little more in the atrocious conditions in the first part of your journey. Did you say how much the total charging cost please?
The first charge cost around £12 on Ecotricity
2nd polar should have cost £8 (not been billed yet)
3rd polar was on free vend but should have cost £10
7kW charger at Euro Tunnel was free
Actual cost = £12
Should have cost if billed for all charges around £30
@@LemonTeaLeaf Thank you.
Thanks James. The Kona seems to be what people have been waiting for; a (slightly) less expensive car which has sufficient range that it can be driven normally without having to worry too much about range. It's shameful that Hyundai are essentially price-fixing them by restricting seriously their availability. It's unacceptable for manufacturers to make customers wait for ridiculously long periods, in the hope that they might cave in and buy an inferior product from them.
Definitely the car that is needed to making people convert from fossil fuel, the lack of vehicles for sale and the increase in price since we got ours won't help adoption for sure. At the current price of £37.5k I'm not sure we would have bought it as its a large premium.
Great vid mate but yer you could see someone at 60plus getting so confused this is,l why we need one simple use ya bank card for simplicity
Totally agree. In Scotland we only need the one RFID card (Charge Place Scotland) the rest of the UK is a bit of a mess. I should have mentioned that all chargers need to be contactless by end of 2020 in the UK and a they are starting to roll this out.
@@LemonTeaLeaf well that's gonna be brilliant good news for all
Can you charge while on the ferry/Eurotunnel. be great if you could
What is the speed limit (at about 14:40 in)? You are doing 70 and cars are flying by you in far right lane.
The national speed limit in the UK is 70 mph if you get caught going over 100 mph its an instant ban.
I'm curious, as I'm not from the UK. What difference will Brexit make to you driving to France for your holiday?
If we leave without a deal then our passports would need to have at least 6 months left until it expires and be less than 10 years old. We would also likely loose our EHIC (European wide health insurance) which would mean getting private travel insurance. In terms of taking vehicles over we will need an international driving permit and a green card (which takes 1 month to get). We also won't be able to take our pets with us with the EU pet passport. At border conrol we will need to show we have money to spend for our stay and can no longer use the EU, EEA and swiss citizen lanes. The EU also has EU wide free data roaming on mobile phones, which will also come to an end and we would need to check with our provider. All this information is from the Gov.uk website.
main checks at the border from the EuroTunnel so I'll need my passport if we leave the EU. Also, I'll need to buy medical insurance if that is the case.
@@tziganeofwales It all sucks. Glad we went to the Cotswolds this summer for our holiday and had a briljant time there. But it will have some effects with a no deal. We love to go to the UK but if it will take so much planning we might skip it for Scandinavia for example.
How does the better route planner work? Do you have to subscribe or is it already part of the Kone guidance?
It's a free web browser page when I first used it. They have a mobile phone app now called "A Better Routeplanner (ABRP)" not sure if it works with apple car play or Android Auto might be worth a try to see.
No subscription from what i could tell, but you can sign in to save routes if i remember.
@@LemonTeaLeaf so you plug in your mobile with app running?
@@johnbunford2719 Doesn't look like it currently supports this feature. Hopefully they'll add this in future.
forum.abetterrouteplanner.com/topic/1127-feature-request-androidauto/?tab=comments#comment-3371
@@LemonTeaLeaf How do you use it?
Concerned that the CCS charger didn't work at full capacity for you. Is this common or what is your other experience of public charging? Thinking of going electric but hesitant about reliability as well as availability of public chargers.
in the UK Electrichighway chargers can be an issue but there are lots of alternatives including the Polar chargers I was using. as for full capacity, it would have been good to have a faster charger and only charging at 47 kW instead of the 77 kW max charge speed is hopefully changing as the ultra chargers are starting to show up around UK/Europe now.
so how many 'rockstar' t-shirts do you actually own??? lol
I have as many R* t-shirts as my wife has handbags so a fair few 🤣
You seemed to be being very conservative with your charging. Not getting below 100 miles or 40%.
Fair enough but your losing all the advantages over the 40kwh leaf by not using any of that 40%. Guess it's good for battery life.
If i remember correctly I think I got tired before the car did so needed the break. On my return trip video i tried to go the distance of the battery and ended up needing to stop before then for a bathroom break.
Please it's pronounced sand batch (samdbach). Thank I know many people struggle with this but if your from England, Bach when part of a word is pronounced batch.
Nice R* T Shirt :P
No product placement in this video 😆
I'm so glad I have NOT taken the plunge into full EV's yet. The last thing that needs to happen with a new EV Adopter is issues with charging infrastructure, or lack thereof, plus a whole host of stupid cards and apps just for the privilege of having some company take your money. When WORKING chargers become ubiquitous and companies finally figure out that they could just accept a common charge card such as Visa or MasterCard for payment, (you know, like the gas stations do), that will be a day for celebration. Also, these issues with charging compatibility standards need to get worked out sooner than later. On virtually every RUclips video I've watched about EV's, there has been some kind of charging issue, either the charging stall is out of order, or it shuts down some time during the charging session, or it's blocked by an ICE vehicle, or it's located off the beaten path therefore requiring a detour just to get there. My wife and I will soon be living in an apartment building so there will be no opportunity to charge overnight using cheap rates, which would make us totally dependent on EXPENSIVE fast chargers.
Currently, we drive a Kia Niro Hybrid Touring in Canada and couldn't be happier. With a range on a fill-up of over 900 km (562 miles) and mileage approaching 60 Imperial mpg, there's NEVER any anxiety. I did look at a similarly equipped Kia E-Niro and it carries a 60% Price Premium over our Hybrid. Yikes!!!! Yeah, it can accelerate to 60 mph a little quicker than ours but I can already light the tires on our Hybrid at will in Sport Mode, so Whoop-Dee-Do! In a climate where vehicles typically rust out in 12 years, there's virtually no shot at a return on investment for an EV at this stage. Higher fuel prices in Europe will definitely change the financial equation to be more in favour of EV's.
Its changing fast as the UK government has put a deadline that all chargers will have to adopt contactless card payment by end of 2020. But I agree it is silly the number of cards/apps needed.
UK is way behind the rest of Europe when it comes to charging commonality and reliability from all I've heard.
No complaints about the car, but a phone full of apps and a wallet full of cards for charging puts me right off. It has to be a Tesla for me.
Its changing fast as the UK government has put a deadline that all chargers will have to adopt contactless card payment by end of 2020. But I agree it is silly the number of cards/apps needed.
I did put the Telsa Model 3 on the list of long-range car for Jen to decide on but she opted for the Kona.
depends on where you are, and what you want to accept in roaming fees. It's right now still a bit of a cowboy market. And Teslas have that as well, unless you want to be limited to using their superchargers which in many places aren't broadly available.
Newmotion and Plugsurfing are working hard on creating a common platform, you can use their cards at most charging points (though you may pay a bit of a surcharge).
Main reason for all the different cards right now is to avoid those surcharges.
In that regard EV charging is pretty much where cellphone coverage was 10-15 years ago, where you could connect to other networks than the one you were subscribed to but it'd cost you an arm and a leg to do so.
At least with EV charge cards you don't need to have separate hardware for each network, just an app or card.
afaik it's pronounced SandbaTch.
Yes I've been learned now :D