Anti-Racism and Anti-Semitism Collide: Glenn Loury in Conversation with Bari Weiss
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Over the past year, racism-as well as the attempt to root it out from every corner of society-has become national obsessions. From police departments to school systems to corporations, the hunt for systemic racism and its perpetrators has led to significant policy changes. Anti-racism, built on the foundation of critical race theory, spurred efforts to mandate racial representation in everything from elementary school plays to corporate board membership.
At the same time, anti-Semitism has been on a multi-year rise, manifested most brutally in deadly attacks on synagogues and Jewish gatherings. Jews have been increasingly scapegoated and demonized on the political left and right, accused of perpetuating the pandemic, secretly subjugating non-whites, and controlling world finance to hoard wealth away from whites. Chants, posters, and t-shirts denouncing Jews-and their proxy, Israel-could be found at both Black Lives Matter and QAnon protests. And trendy anti-Semitism was felt keenly on campuses in 2020, with a reported 33% rise in accounts of campus harassment-in a year when most schools did not even have in-person classes.
These two driving forces have each gained enormous cache in politics, academia, and media, and with significant overlap. Is anti-Semitism an inevitable byproduct of anti-racism, which tends to blame high-achieving ethnicities for the circumstances of their less prosperous counterparts? How do we best champion black advancement without unintentionally fueling other discrimination? Can we reframe our national debate about race, culture, and group achievement in a way that does not condemn or promote one group over the other but rather fosters opportunity for all individuals regardless of color and creed? Join us as two of America's foremost freethinkers discuss these questions and more.
Glenn's steel-man kills me. I always find myself almost wondering if he believes it. Then he gets mad and I realize, "nope." But the fact that he can present the other side's arguments that well is a sign of a very serious thinker.
He starts as a true believer of position x, and ends up raining fire and brimstone down on it. We don't get to hear too many Old Testament prophets anymore, and it's an awesome delight.
The first time I heard him speak, I was so lost. I told my friend that I didn't think I agreed with him on a number of facets of the topic. I suppose I hadn't heard someone do that so much ever. He's a beast.
Ye! He is too great at it?
Americans of African descent have to make America work again. As Glenn said, and as Richard Wright before him pointed out, we are Westerners. We have nowhere else to go. This is our rightful home.
The Abolitionists are literally saying we should destroy America.
It’s not really. Africans on the American continent were traded by their ancestral peers to Arabs and Europeans. In the process you lost your roots/true identity. Now you’re just used as a battering ram by sociopathic political operators & you’re never allowed to heal fully because your suffering = huge political capital. Look at Bidens Tulsa nonsense, it’s insane. It’s too late to “go back” and despite the claims of racism you know you’re better off around white people than your African cousins. Now you have added issue of “POC” immigration piggybacking on affirmative action designed to compensate AAs. It’s a mess. All that said there’s no reason why AAs can’t carve out strong communities but will never happen so long as you allow cynical politicians to exploit “police brutality “ and the Floyd situation.
@@cannibalholocaust3015 Thanks, white ladee, for explaining a topic I've forgot more about than you could ever learn and for making assumptions about how I vote, what kind of neighborhood I live in (hint: you can't afford it) and what "roots" I do or do not have. I don't know how I've managed without you. Could you reply with your phone number so that I may call you any time I have a question?
@@Ferdinand314 Apart from not liking that "ladee," did anything he post look incorrect to you? Given that you have forgotten more than the "ladee" knows, I would surely benefit from any light you can shed on any mistakes he posted, in that post that appears to have offended you.
@@carriersailor2474 Everyone could potentially benefit from light I can shed. Alas, I have nothing further to add. Conversations begun by such presumptuous ladees are not enjoyable, so I've said what I have to say here.
I’m baffled at the idea that some think that Trump going away would suddenly make racism
Go away. The racism problem started getting worse when Obama was in office ..identity politics has only added fuel to the fire
Exactly. I remember people saying that Trump was dividing America or causing division and I’m like where?
Bravo Prof. Glenn Loury! You ARE a MAN of the WEST! Great conversation from both Glenn and the inimitable Bari Weiss. I can't thank you enough for having these thoughtful conversations. These ideas can have a good effect on our future interactions with people who have lost their connection to our country.
The more we highlight the differences amongst ourselves, the more divisive and divided we become.
funny thing is woke people love to highlight Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, but they always forget one important value that trumps all those three:
*UNITY*
@@anyanyanyanyanyany3551 I don’t think the left wants unity at all anymore
I do not feel this discussion 'highlights the differences amongst us' if that that what was implied in Harisch Sood's comment. Voices speaking out against the disingenuous use of immutable characteristics as a weapon and pathway to power & control are the only solution. The clarity of Glenn Loury's speech (even much more than Bari's) is the elixir that might just suave the painful wound inflicted by the false prophett's hate & division.
This should be required watching/listening for every American
Thank you to all of you bringing a "light" into the shadows.
What happened in France with the murder of Sarah Halimi and the blindfolded psy who declared the perpetrator as not criminally responsible because he smoked weed (tha fuck !!!?) is a blatant disgrace to my country. I do understand that the law should not put crazy ppl behind bars but common I am a huge smoker and never killed anyone. And if i killed someone because of being high I will certainly plead guilty, not that I was in a state of delirium. Especially knowing that he killed her in the name of allah >_
Thank-you for an important and thoughtful conversation.
Wow, a great discussion, gives listeners much to think about...
This was truly eye opening!
Great discussion! Thanks Manhattan Institute for making this possible.
Glenn is a nation treasure.
Absolutely correct Bari. GL is the best voice to articulate reasoned thought against this identity insanity.
Thank you for the brilliant discussion, I learned so much.
Incredible conversation. Thank you both so much. True American patriots.
Bari blows it when she claimed that Trump is at fault, for those like her who wished then, and now, to blame him for the bad behavior of others. Then claiming that any of his statements were anti-Semitic - or somehow "close enough" to that in her mind? To have her say that his policies were good, but after saying that, say: "Set them aside! Lets just all accept that he disordered our minds, and lets blame him for a rise in anti-Semitic feeling." - Oy! Bari, wise up, and try some meditation or something to try to order your apparently still TDS-disordered mind whenever the name "Trump" crosses that otherwise fine mind of yours.
Bari Weiss & many others have a chronic case of TDS that prevents them from thinking clearly.
She never said that Trump was an anti-Semite. She said that he removed the common boundaries of civil discussion. And the big point here that you seem to be missing is that we don't all have to march in lock-step. You can hate Trump or love him but you should try to think for yourself on all the issues and perhaps you will find that on some things you agree and some you don't. Unfortunately right now on both the left (AOC's shaming of Jamal Bowen when he expressed sympathy for both Israelis and Palestinians) and on the right with Liz Cheny. Too much group think going on.
Trump said, “The only people I want handling my money are little guys with yarmulkes.” If I were Jewish I wouldn’t find that very nice.
you really need to review that part again without your own bias leading your ears.
Great conversation. Glenn would make Fredrick Douglas proud.
So insightful. Thank you very much
What’s truly interesting is how all these post colonial, anti imperialism, slavery bad types have nothing to say about the turkic and arabic empires thriving this very day.
Arabic empires ?????? And what is your definition of "empire"??
Well Arabs control 22 countries, Muslims 50, and Jews 1 very tiny country. So there’s that.
@@Nevila-v7n 7th century Arab conquests perhaps?
@@jimbodriver1015 Ottoman , is the now Turkey, but “Arabic empires” is NOT like saying Ottoman Empire …
Two of my very favorite people. Agreed, in my experience, Jews aren’t (don’t ever really feel) secure, regardless of their “success”.
Indeed, their succes may attract more anti-semitism.
Amy Chau has written about a concept she calls Market Dominant Minority. There is something broader that calls into question Indian, Chinese and Cuban American success through the same suspicion that is applied to Jewish success. If only the new left understood the broader tribal resentments that they are normalizing.
Thank you both for speaking about these issues. The main issue here appears to be the woke and anti-racism movement and the specific aspects affecting Jews are a another symptom of this foul ideology. It doesn’t appear to be the primary target, so encourage those young Jewish folks to hang in there and fight back. We need their courage and participation to defeat these bad ideas. Running away and hiding only embolden and empowers them.
Yeah, well, you have to stand up for us so we can stand up for you.
Looking forward to this.
Glenn Loury, like Thomas Sowell, will be sorely missed when we no longer have his wisdom and perspective available to us. Hopefully, of course, not for a very long time.
Unlike almost all other “popular” commentators, he is both able and willing to describe the opposition case fairly and neutrally, before demolishing it.
If you like, he is the total antithesis of Michael Eric Dyson, who could not forensically and truthfully assess the opposing position, if his very life depended on doing so.
Despite the many well-documented negative effects of social media, I am so grateful to live in an age where RUclips and other sources can make so many of these fascinating insights available to us. How many of these wise words and thoughts would ever be available to us through the old editorialised print or TV media??
The Blacks who were sent west as slaves where captured, enslaved and sold to Europeans by Blacks. The kingdoms that did this did not sell their own people, they sold their African foes and received things such as guns and gunpowder that made their own people more secure. The Whites who purchased them did so not because they were Black but because they were available and solved manpower shortages and made their nations richer and more secure. I can not blame either group because there was no conception that slavery, a world wide thing, was in anyway wrong at this time. Therefor I reject the original sin of racism for the United States. Blaming the Whites for buying the slaves while not blaming the Blacks who sold them is a double standard that only makes sense if it is believed that Blacks are not capable of acting in a moral manner.
Glenn is ON FIRE, FIRE I SAY!
Why is he? give some examples ? why is he on fire and yet you acknowledge absolutely no contribution by the other speaker ?
A very respectfull conversation!! The Palestinians and the Western media should get a Nobel Price for their constant PR achievements in their "propaganda war" for the Palestinians, no matter what. Most of the news during the war was with a lot of footage from the suffering in Gaza, which is sad by itself. Almost non from what happened in Israel, with its citizens, wich were bombed with 4000 rockets!!!. A bom is a bom is a bom!!!! If you are dead or still a life!!!
Excellent conversation. As Bari brings up the "western caste system" it is important to also recognize where the expression "caste" comes from: the eastern division within Hindus. So this is not a "western" problem but a human problem wherein North Africans enslaved Nubian, sub Saharan Africans...somebody might mention this to Beyonce when she dresses as Queen Nefertiti, a slave holder!!
There is NO caste system that was imported as a religious hierarchy to the US. Why confuse a hemisphere with enough authentic and a growing of migrating slew of Holy Hate issues? Many film and music lovers should watch, Timbuktu (on RUclips) and, by contrast, "The Forgotten Refugees" (on Vimeo).
@@wescolumbus621 Agreed. Calling what the US has a caste system is hyperbolic. If she’s talking about now or the last 3 or 4 decades, we have a hierarchy of competence with some degree of corruption.
@@wescolumbus621 How about Presbyterians vs Catholics?
I don’t agree that a ethnic group that views some of their culture or origin makes them special in their way is dangerous. You can value your group without harm to others. Most groups do feel that there’s something special about them and their heritage. We should each be allowed that research and knowledge without limits from other groups who also view themselves as special or not.
It becomes dangerous when you don't have to prove that specialness in an open market evaluation.
Her point was that standing out in terms of visible success can be dangerous in certain political climates, not that being special is dangerous. I agree with thee rest of what you said.
Excellent! Thank you
Thank you so much for it!
where does this idea come from that African Americans and Palestinians are both "brown" people???? I highly doubt that if you ask a Palestinian if they are "black/brown" the answer would be a resounding "no". In whose eyes are they the same color?
I think I hear this from the UK. People of color is another, more inclusive label.
The universities
It’s a ridiculous unification of American and Israeli history that doesn’t exist. Many Israeli Jews are also Middle Eastern.
@26 mins, at 26 minutes I'm not sure who Bari is representing. I'm Jewish and I certainly do not recognize what Trump said as an inadvertent anti-Jewish slur. I called my Mom and she also said it was not a slur at all. Everyone knows that Bari is an anti-Trumper and her hatred of Trump is clouding her analysis. All of Trump's grandchildren are Jewish and Trump is beloved in Israel. They named the Jerusalem soccer team after Trump, they named a part of a city after him and roads. If anybody can detect Jew-hatred it's the Israelis and they love him. Funny that Bari does not bring that up simply because she doesn't want her audience to realize that any insinuation that Trump is an antisemite is absolutely absurd. For the love of God, he moved the embassy to Jerusalem. It's ridiculous that have to even go defend Trump against Bari's uninformed comments. I've visited numerous shulim for shabbos over the four years that Trump was president and every community I visited seemed to love Trump. There's something very deep about Bari's hatred of Trump and I believe it's absolutely irrational because all of the evidence demonstrates that Trump is pro-Jewish. Bari is not the spokesperson for the Jewish people merely because she is Jewish and has a platform. The Jewish people are the spokesmen for the Jews and I think Jewish communities across America and the Israelis have far more credibility than Bari's unsubstantiated anti-Trump hatred.
I thought "divided loyalties" rhetoric was something historically aimed at Catholics (and their loyalty to the Vatican)?
Bari seems to acknowledge that some of the worst of Trump's utterances were inadvertent. He's no Cicero, he's just pushing a bunch of rhetorical hot buttons hoping they deliver the desired result.
The moral guardrails she references were actually -- accepted corporate media narratives.
Trump was extraordinary for Jewish communities around the world. He stood firm for Israel. Thank you president Trump. Progressive journalists and politicians could not abide him, because at their core they are the the most antisemitic and divisive people on the planet.
Thank you. That was a fascinating discussion.
Bravo to both of you
Thanks for this. Great way to end off the work week.
these two such valuable sane voices encourage others to face truth with a clear eye
Thank you both for clarifying so many issues, especially Anti-Semitism versus anti-Zionism.
What she said was the squad could not be coitized harshly. She almost always disagrees with them but we can't tell them if they like America get the hell out! Yes, we can tell that. Know why this is America and we have freedom of speech.
As a CIS gendered, white guy, please allow me the freedom of expressing a potential micro-aggression; specifically, both speakers are pleasantly articulate. Oddly enough, the term "articulate", in particular, is being shunned by certain groups who do their damnedest to avoid being characterized as being "articulate".
@@jimbodriver1015 kuow.org/stories/youre-so-articulate-why-microaggressions-wear-people-down/
Glens volume is too low. Bari is blowing out my speakers if I listen to glen at a normal level.
I disagree with Bari. The US was not born in original sin. It was a country built by whites for whites. One treats their family better than they do others.
More discussions between these two please
When two of your favorites collide 🤗🤗🤗
Bari referred in passing to a book which details how, even in societies where Jews have flourished, their status is precarious and can easily be lost. Can anyone tell me the title and author of the book? Thanks in advance.
The Pity of it All by Amos Elon
@@mirisalivingstar Thank you Mirisa!
Such a necessary conversation!! I am in my late 50's and grew up as a lower middle class Jew in what was once a Jewish neighborhood in Buffalo, NY. My parents pushed all of us to work hard, get educated etc....and tobe aware of yet not allow the antisemitism that surrounded us to define us. Now, when I hear Jews supporting BDS it is more frightening than ever. Jews have always been the proverbial canary in the coal mine. Thanks for this talk. I hope there are more
BDS is against a State and a government not against an ethnic group. Now maybe people who defend it are wrong (honestly I think they are wrong) but that doesn’t make them antisemitic. Either Israel is a democratic modern State where government and ethnicity are 2 different concepts, or it is a backward ethnocratic/tribalistic state. Your choice
@@esthyewody947 No; every State has its national identity, history, laws, culture & values, holidays, language, etc. It is wrong to think that we should all merge into one unspecified common nothingness of a “culture” and that this will cure all ills. Judaism is a complete culture like France is. An attack such as BDS is a declaration of war on its people.
I got my degree in Buffalo in 1980.
@@esthyewody947
You don't seem to have the soul of Christ in your heart. Sounds more like the vermin of Satan. Israel has the right to exist. But Palestine opposed it!
It is so so sad , this idiocy that's captured so so many of our citizens , bad and good ... ( tears of sadness tears of sadness my dear dear countrymen , my dear dear countrywomen )
There is an absolutely foolproof strategy that Hamas could use to ensure zero civilian casualties in Gaza: don't indiscriminately launch rockets that target Israeli civilians. Unfortunately, a civilian death in Gaza is a p.r. victory for Hamas.
yep, Hamas's iron dome is not attacking, yet they choose to ignore it and fire rockets anyway
In "The Israel Test" George Gilder correctly notes that there are two possible reactions to the amazing success of Israel and of Jews in general. The first possible reaction is resentment and hate. The second one is admiration and a desire to emulate that success. It seems to me that the anti-racist movement is firmly in the first camp.
A cynical observer might argue, that the anti-racist movement is trying to emulate without the admiration, given that an argument could be made about the horrible oppression of Jews being part of the reason Israel exists. Had anti-semitism ceased to exist in the late 1800s, would there be a state of Isreal now?
Exactly. You could also use this as a “Jew-hater test”. Even the inestimable dear Glen seems to think that the fact that some Jews owned businesses and real estate is a good reason to hate Jews. It’s not unlike the way people react to israel by wanting Israeli casualties to equal in number (with no thought even if percentages) those of Palestinians… even though it is the Palestinians who attack and they outnumber Jews by many times over.
@@Der_Thrombozyt Yes, because Zionism is part of Judaism. While modern Zionism did spurn from antisemitism, the will to rebuild a Jewish nation in Israel and return to Jerusalem is in almost all Jewish holidays and Jewish history. You can find 2,000 year old "Free Zion" coins from Judea and Samaria (West Bank), Hanukah, Shavuot and Passover are Zionist holidays, the prayer and breaking the glass you see in Jewish weddings are Zionist acts, the agriculture Jewish laws from the bible are specific to Israel and the climate there, Tisha B'Av is amongst other things also a Zionist annual fast day. There are many other examples but it just goes to show that even without antisemitism, the urge for Jews to return to their ancestral and indigenous homeland would have never died out.
It’s never going to be written in the American press, Bari Weiss, precisely because of what you, yourself, said: “It’s a small number of people.” Talk about making mountains out of molehills.
Yes but I would like to hear more about how many university attacks there are .. who is committing them and what do they consist of exactly?
Bari wants Americans to not make ethnicity important when she herself constantly talks about her ethnicity and views the world through an ethnic lens. Just look at how many times she refers to her ethnicity in this interview.
The premise of original sin is flawed. The percentages don’t have enough weight to taint the entire county’s “birth”. Neither of these individuals address personal responsibility and often confuse correlation with causation regarding disparate oppression or representation. The caste systems in America are entirely economic, which may have racial disparity due to residual discrimination, but as there are no laws since the 60’s which actively discriminate, to claim anything “systemic” is simply untrue. Further, the media narrative of conservatives since Trump was so disingenuous, misleading, or outright false, as to irreparably damage any relations between the camps of sane, logical, center/right Americans, and the emotional, ignorant leftist zealots.
"Neither of these individuals address personal responsibility"
You don't know Glenn Loury at all, do you?
@@newmediarules not personally, but in the context of this discussion, point to where I’m wrong.
@@kedrickswain6509 I don't know them personally either. But Loury's body of work--books, articles, essays, podcasts spanning some 40 years--fly directly in the face of your accusations.
But in this particular ultra-narrow slice of him, you have a somewhat of a point.
I could say something similar about Bari, too.
@@newmediarules my comment was specific to this discussion. Everything becomes irrelevant if you widen the lens enough.
thanks v much for this.
Actually, not all Ashkenazi Jews can trace their origins to Eastern Europe. Some can trace their origins to Central/Western Europe (think German or Bohemian or Alsatian or Dutch Jews), and indeed, Ashkenazi Jews of Eastern European descent are descended from Jews who were expelled from various parts of Germany, France, etc. hundreds of years ago.
Ashkenaz means Germanic, just as the Roman “Germanici” referred to that entire region of Germanic tribes. All Jews anywhere in Europe had to pass through the franco/Germanic lands.
please enable subtitles, thanks
I have a hard time taking Bari Weiss seriously ever since her "toadie" incident on Joe Rogan's show. Even now, her TDS still prevents her from thinking clearly.
I know I'm a little late to this video but I have an honest question here. If someone is from another country originally and then goes to another country for whatever reason and becomes a citizen and their public stated position is that their new country is a terrible place full off the worst kinds of systems and people why is a term like "well leave then" so out of bounds? Anathema? There is no parallel between what immigrants were told in the 19th and 20th century (which of course was terrible) when they came to America and what someone would say to Omar today. Those immigrants from the past did not act like or say the things she does. They integrated. They bought in. It is not the same at all. I think it is one of the most valid arguments and it has been completely taken off the table as far as I can see just because. I of course don't want her or anyone else to leave personally. She and most of the people who say the worst things about this place seem to be doing pretty well. But if you hate it as much as she and other public figures like her say they do then bail man. You got options. If you came to my house and said the things to my face that they say about the country, you would be out the door. I honestly don't get it.
Edit: Great discussion by the way. The two of you are doing great work and I feel quite privileged to be able to hear what you have to say.
God bless this man; he did good work; God bless him thank God for him
Glenn Loury and Bari Weiss are heroes, and I love them both.
bari weiss is a zionist which is literally like being a nazi sympathiser. it dosent get much worse.
@@serenitee1139 lol right because every Zionist is not only fully against naziism, but they also treat Palestinians better than Palestinians treat Palestinians. I’m a proud Zionist, and I respect people of all walks more than Hamas would ever respect any Jew. Get it straight, dumb dumb.
@@serenitee1139 nothing much worse than comparing Jews to Nazis, but I wouldn’t expect much better from a supporter of Hamas. Do I have that right? Or do you think you can be against Israel without being pro-Hamas? Wouldn’t make much sense, now would it?
Bari is a hero. No I'm not Jewish.
Bari Weiss is from Pittsburgh
I reject the idea of "original sin". Practically all countries ever have been "founded on slavery" and I very much doubt she would make the same charge toward them.Not least of all Israel, in that it enshired its slavery in its own "holy" book and that was used to justify slavery in Christian countries all over the world.
Sorry, you could use a little more info on slavery. Not only Leviticus in which, contrary to what you say, one of the writers of the Hebrew Bible has tried to modify slavery (with the concept of Jubilee). Mainly watch a well researched, insightful Thomas Sowell on the subject: ruclips.net/video/VWrfjUzYvPo/видео.html
@@wescolumbus621 No, I couldn't.
The texts explicitly say to take and sell slaves, the NT does not repudiate it and the Bible was the chief underwriter for slaves and slave owners. There is no refuting that.
@@bertrandrussell894 You sound very flexible. All the best. It's never too late to learn.
@@bertrandrussell894 you think slavery started with the Bible?
@@Individual_Lives_Matter Not at all. It just says god approves of it. Jesus too.
Bari makes me proud to be a Jew. Brilliant woman!
Hey, John, where can we get a "There's Israel, but there is no Wakanda?" Or, "Wakanda, or Timbuktu which is real?" What an Important, painful conversation for Orwellian/Huxleyian times. But the conversation bags an urgent Q and warm-hearted suggestion: Why, why are people still using the idiotic "anti-Semitic" term as if it were some sophisticate term? The fact is "anti-Semitism" is a reference to the shallow, vicious and tragic Arian-Semitic Race Theory (ASRT). Keeping that term in usage only seems to amuse anti-Jew haters like Farrakhan and holocaust denier, Mahmud Abbas. Indeed, Bari, naturally, you don't say that the attack was at your "Semite" synagogue, nobody talks about the annihilation of the "Semite" State, No one is chanting "Kill the Semites."
Not only that, unlike in the 19th century, when ASRT was concocted, today many of 350M Semitic Arab Muslims have migrated to the West, but already in the 1930's many Arab Muslims (and Persia, changing its name to a more "noble," Arian, Iran), supported the National Socialist (NAZI) party. And today's European Holy Hate chants like "Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas!" or Khaybar Khaybar Hey Jews..." (which you can watch in the "Never Again Is Now" RUclips documentary) are specifically anti-Jew, not anti-Semites.
Like multi-racial, multi-ethnic Arab Semitic muslims, unlike 100M Semitic Ethiopians who are Black, the mere 15M Semitic Jews are also a multi-racial, multi ethnic People (due to their forced spread in the diaspora). Ironically, many Jews don't even speak their Semitic language, Hebrew, because of anti-Jew hater, bigotry and violence, not because of "Semitism." Keeping any form of "Semitism" in circulation helps it spread. No one has to use this term anymore. Like the N word and other unspeakable words, it should be reserved for history books only.
And yes, John, (though, perhaps from a slave-owner muslim family), Obama, a non-slave, successful, privileged, bi-racial America has made a dreadful mistake and has helped open the flood gates to the new dogma of a German school Critical Race Theory (CRT), which is as hazardous to the human race as ASRT. Despite the Loony faux Liberal waves, keep trying to make sense more common! Let's hope the Obama's listen carefully to Thomas Sowell's thorough, factual, insightful "The Real History of Slavery:" ruclips.net/video/VWrfjUzYvPo/видео.html
Antisemitism refers to hate towards Jews alone. Words shouldn't always be taken as they are. Homophobia does not mean fear of homosexuals even though that is technically what phobia means, and same goes for Islamophobia. Yes, technically it is not the correct term that should be used but it is what's being used today and has become mainstreamed. The world understands that antisemitism = hate or prejudice of Jews and that's just how it is. I agree that it's a stupid term but so is the word "Jew". People think of Jews as just a religion due to the term "Jew" ( There is no "Christianish", or "Muslimish", but Jews are "Jewish", as if not fully a Jew) even though in Hebrew, Japanese, Arabic, Portuguese and other languages the word for "Jew" is "Judean" since Jews come from Judea. But again, that's just how it turned out. Also, Jews are an ethno-religion already so they are not multi ethnic people. Just because they were dispersed across the world doesn't mean they have suddenly become a different ethnic group, it just means that they have experienced the diaspora in different lands, big difference.
Glenn is a jenious!
"Caste system"... is not glib. It's old tribal thinking. Our "enlightened betters" are truly ruled by their id.
Bari undermines her argument by having an unreasonably expansive definition of "anti-Semitism". She states it is "anti-Semitic" to describe Zionism (in Israel) as a European colonial movement, even though the historical record indicates that is the case. She equates the criticism of Zionism with anti-Semitism by arguing that the real goal of BDS is to "marginalize Zionism as an ideology, _and therefore to marginalize Jews."_ Why can't an ideology be criticized? It also seems immoral and illogical to blame Israel's killing of children in Gaza on Hamas, which the Palestinians in Gaza presumably elected because they believe it is their best choice to resist Israel's aggression and the deprivations they face under occupation. Why are Israelis entitled to have a state, choose their representatives and defend themselves, but not Palestinians? There's a term for discriminating according to ethnicity that may fit here.
Because antisemitism, much like every other -ism, has been redefined so broadly as to be meaningless.
In 1947, the United Nations proposed a plan to partition the area called Palestine into two sections: an independent Jewish state and an independent Arab state. Jewish leaders accepted the plan but the Palestinian Arabs vehemently opposed it. In 1948 the Brits pulled out and Israel announced itself as a separate state. Almost immediately, neighboring Arab armies moved in to prevent it. The Arab-Israeli war that erupted involved Israel and 5 Arab nations of Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Lebanon. By the time the war ended, Israel ended up with almost 2/3s of the British Mandate and the Jordan controlled the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. In 1967, Israel, Syria and Egypt fought the Six-Day War out of which Israel captured the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, the Sinai Peninsula and the Golan Heights. In the early 1990s Israel and the Arabs, led by Yasser Arafat, entered the Oslo Accords. It also set a schedule for Palestinian Legislative Council elections. By 2005 Israel gave up the Gaza Strip and parts of the West Bank so a Palestinian state could be formed. Part of the deal was that the PLO would recognize Israel. The PLO refused. It would be helpful if people knew their history.
Israel completely left Gaza in 2005. That’s when Hamas was elected. They created a terror network instead of a home for their people. Why do you blame Israel when you don’t know the history?
@@ag5174 Because I do know the history, and Gaza is a concentration camp where civilians are forced to live in appalling conditions and are subject to regular sickening violence by IDF. That is your cue to repeat "Israel has the right to defend itself" and to try use the election of Hammas as a cudgel to beat the Palestinians, which leads back to my original comment.
@@biker92629 great synopsis, thank you. Nice to see historical accuracy once in awhile
the far right says jews are communists.. the far left says jews are capitalists.. no matter what you do there always will be theses kinds of opinions... the question then becomes what can we do..??
Protect individual rights. Support Israel.
It seems whatever position Jews take they are fulfilling a stereotype. It must be very difficult.
Dear lady , distortions of bigotry is NOT a exclusive feature of western societies , matter of fact these bigotry injustices are a feature everywhere now or/and at one and another time in every society throughout the whole world ... The truth of this runs counter to the 'group identity' political intolerance of it's adherents ...
Are people not aware of Dier Yassin and Nakba?
White colonizers (Romans) nearly destroyed Israël.
Love her!
I would like to see Bari Weiss and Mark Lamont Hill discuss these same topics.
What would also help, Bari (and John) is less sensorial public platforms, which modify, obfuscate, or delete some important content.
She's is confusing: no caste systems, no race, but she argues (only) Jews should be allowed to settle in "their ancestral homeland".
Arabs control 22 countries. Muslims 50. Jews have 1 tiny country in the Middle East. Palestine is a geographical term originating from the Romans after their suppression of a Jews in Judea during the Bar Kochba revolt. As a geographical term, Jews were Palestinians pre-1948. Jews accepted statehood, Arabs rejected statehood and started a war against Israel. They could not accept even one Jewish state in the region. Jordan occupied the West Bank until 1967 and kicked out every Jew that lived there. 2 million Arab Israelis have equal civil liberties, greater freedom than ANYWHERE in the Middle East. How many Jews enjoy a free life in Gaza? Zero.
I think your reply offers caste and race-based solutions. I think you should be clear that the "leaders" of middle eastern countries did or didn't do such and such. It's less clear to me that races of people are a monolithic decision machine.
Bari is against cancel culture and hypersensitivity except when it comes to Jews
That statement is false.
When Glen says Afroamericans should see themselves as solely Americans and Bari agrees, do they not both realise that much of what Bari had to say demonstrated that she herself very much identifies with her Jewish identity and with Israel?
I think its easy to understand that depending on your ethnicity, relligion, and even color within different momments in history, one can feel different degrees of connection or estrangement to America.
It seems easy to see how Bari ecemplifies the sort of expanded multilayered identification that Glen scolds American Blacks for having.
Being Christian gets in the way of feeling more American? I don’t think so! So why single out Judaism? And no one is arguing that blacks cannot feel a certain unique cultural identity in the United States. The point is that those layered identities should still all be American at its core, and most certainly Western. I feel deeply American despite being a happy Zionist Jew living in the greatest place on earth.
I disagree. America has a certain relationship with other nations, culures, and quite possibly groups marked by color (this last point at least historically) These relationships impact how much one feels estranged or embraced by America. Say, for example, America took a completley 180 degree different position on the Palestine Israel problem than what has been the status quo, the way american Arabs and american Jews relate to their American identity would change dramatically.
Also. You picked Christian for your opening illustration. If you had picked being Muslim, I think the answer to your rhetorical question would be different, at least for a significant amount of Americans who are Muslims.
@@bryanmurray2723 I can see why you disagree and you pose a rather pointed and salient question, one often debated among Jewish families and groups in America. I would respond in two ways, one directly and one more generally. Directly speaking, it would depend on what that reversal or shift in policy looked like and what effect it had on the life of the average practicing Jew in this country. If the United States wants to play the role of clumsy broker for a mediated settlement between Israelis and Palestinians, then this would not impact me as being less embraced by America, to borrow your imagery. That has been going on and in some instances the broker relationship we have played here has been to scold Israel and sometimes be hostile to it (see Barack Hussein Obama) while coddling the Palestinians. There is plenty of opposition to that way of acting amongst Americans, many of them who are devout Christians or just fair minded people. But I would say this, if the United States were to become openly hostile to Israel and advocate directly for Hamas, as many of its Congressmembers are already doing so, it would be a tell tale sign that the United States itself has eschewed all moral authority as a country and is likely on a path to disintegration. Believe me in that instance Jews would not remain here to be pummeled by rabid mobs in the streets and their Woke religionist allies. And many others too who have the means would be getting the hell out. As this video segment discusses the marriage of the Woke religion and anti Zionism which is just disguised Jew Hatred, will have deleterious consequences for all, the Jew would simply be playing the historical role of Canary in Coal Mine. Your question about How Muslims would feel about the United States’ approach to Israel Palestine is interesting and worth studying. I don’t know the answer and I suspect you may be right, it will have an impact. But there are legions of Muslims in this country who did not hit the streets in recent weeks to attack Jews. Many have in the past defended Jews from violence. I hope you would agree with me that if we keep the Woke religion away from these folks they will be just fine in America
I don’t identify as an American based on the stupidity of the federal government. I identify as an American based on the principles of individualism and natural rights. Our government has been lost for some time.
Please do not try to weld opposition to critical race theory to support for Israel or Zionism
Adding factors can only decrease the amount of supporters you can reach
It is possible to oppose critical race theory and be on the side of Palestine
you can't have a side if you want peace. I am against the whole concept of being anti/pro anyone. you should want peace for both people, not one over the other.
Damn…glen is so good at steelmanning his opponents
Is he really ? why do you come to that conclusion? whre do you think he steelmanned her in this argument ?
Good times for people with common sence and an ability to communicate. Gleen and Bari are superstars of the new rebellion.
I don't think this guy gets it,I don't think he gets antisemetism and how it plays out and talking about Weimar Germany and interwar period and how that somehow was exceptional in laying down the circumstances for antisemetism and the holocaust,maybe he needs to read more bout the history of antismemetism.
I do not have a problems as a Jewish person and not even as a particular supporter of Israel or Zionism,but in understanding the deep systemic and structural roots of racism and white supremacy in America and globally but also how antisemetism has played itself out throughout history.I agree with the woman speaking,I think many Jews have an insitinct for this and the rise of the conditions that can spawn another antismetism.
Its sad that this guy doesn't get it but he really doesn't it seems and that is really really sad because as a Jew since I was very young I could always see the alinace between antisemetism and racism towards black people or any other race or group for that matter
It is a false notion that African-Americans are stuck with this place, these conditions, etc. There have been movements of return for over a hundred years, as even now you can find RUclips videos of such people living their best lives returning to Africa just as there are European Jews that have moved themselves to Israel. Ironically neither speakers spoke on Black Jews, Jews of color, mixed race Jews, or the experiences of Beta Israel, Mizrahi, Yemeni within the context of their conversation...
She did though, she said Israel is majority people of color, that's the whole point. Jews of color who are Zionist are treated that same way by the BDS movement. There is no POC card that gets Jews or POCs that disagree out of the firing line. After all these are ideological war being masked by color, not color wars masked by ideology.
Also no one is stuck in ANY place, not really. But his point still stands, either you are American or you aren't. If you are dumb enough to hate the US as a black American, then that's your choice, Freetown welcomes you.
@@Tryingtofindmyway I wouldn't say that per say, as "color" obviously has been playing a major factor in these ideological wars from the start. Western expansionism and all that goes with it has been and still is highly based in color. Whether you are Jew or gentile, "color" has a lot to do with your social, political, economic, academic, and even religious reality. It is an inescapable part of reality in society. If it didn't we wouldn't need to have these types of panels or discussions?
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"Skin folk not kin folk"
Translation: skin/race/identity/ ethnicity do not trump ideology, but the reverse is true. If you don't agree with my ideas you aren't my people.
But I agree race is a major factor, but ultimately meaningless if your ideology doesn't fall in line. Ask the countless black American scholars that have been sidelined and marginalized.
@@Tryingtofindmyway Wow, so let it be said so let it be done... I don't really care for people, regardless of color, that can't or won't support their so-called "ideologies" with scholarship, research, logic, and reason. I don't know what African-American scholars that you are speaking about, but that too has been made irrelevant at this point. FYI: MLK, W.E.B. Dubois, James Baldwin, Min. Malcolm X, etc. are among those "countless black American scholars that have been sidelined and marginalized", so now we know which side that you butter your bread? smh :/
@@negistdakkar7407 You still aren't proving my main point wrong.
"Skin folk not kin folk" is a succinct example of IDEOLOGY coming before color. Turning race into an issue in Israel is the American left export. That's were the power is after all.
The idea that Zionism is a white man's project is bankrupt as it's core. Israel is the ONLY place on earth Jews are free to migrate to. Full stop. It has to exist.
"Peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all of our might to protect its right to exist, its territorial integrity. I see Israel, and never mind saying it, as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land almost can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy." - Martin Luther King Jr.
Now to your point about MLK being marginalized:
1st. the main forces doing that in 2021 are people on the left, look into to it, it's a thing.
2nd. MLK day is a NATIONAL holiday, I don't know about you but the street my grandmother called Grove street was MLK way in my youth, and is to this day, and over 1000 streets across the nation in like 40 states have streets named after MLK. He's a national treasure. That's not sidelined, that's in the forefront.
Not one person I know, happens to know who Thomas Sowell is or Shelby Steele are.
Black thinkers / academics / politicians that are known uniformly are all on the left.
Of the four names you mentioned I would argue all but 1 isn't famous, people aren't super familiar with WEB Dubois, but then again in my view they are more aware of him then Booker T Washington.
"to learn who voltaires you learn criticize who you are not allloweeeeed to ruuuuuuuule over" -Macho Man Randy Savage
Scared , yes , and I'm not Jewish . Thanks Bari and Glenn , for your fairly accurate description of the most unfortunate development our nation has to deal with at the very least since Sept. 11 in the year 2001 !
I don't know why you're so surprised so many people think that way and fall into such logically flawed beliefs. What do you expect, for everyone to analyze things the way Dr. Loury does? Good luck.
This is like watching Michael Jordan play basketball against Woody Allen. Your the best Glenn!
Not fair. She is 1/2 his age and a great mind already.
there was also a "jewtown" in philadelphia
I don’t see what’s so bad or wrong about calling a Jewish neighborhood “Jew town” (& I’m Jewish). There’s Chinatown and Japantown, etc.…
Interesting video and important topics. Incidentally, I now have a massive crush on the lady that introduced the video.
Interesting and deliberate. So this new theory is based on anyone who supports or acknowledges Louis Farrakhan? Sigh I find this slightly disturbing, but I’m listening.
I don’t think so. Very few people even support Farrakhan anymore. The current racism has many different causes .. identity politics is only making it so much worse
As a near 40 year old white male living in the USA my entire life, i have literally no experience/exposure to the idea of spending time and effort or oppressing or disparaging Jewish people. Nobody I know personally has ever spoke negatively about Jews. Actually same goes for race in my life experience. It’s hard to relate to bari Weiss experience of everyone being out to get the Jews. It’s anecdotal. It’s a limited experience for sure. But nonetheless the idea of anti semitism permeating everywhere in white society just seems wildly hyperbolic
It's not hyperbolic. It's very real. You can see this even by looking at statistics. It happens to all of us on a regular basis.
I’ve yet to meet a Jewish person who thought anti-semitism was a theoretical problem.
So apparently this is supposed to be a mutually re-affirming conversation. It’s not an actual dialogue of opposing views. Understood.
It's a supply problem, not a demand one. Wokes don't debate their critics.
Does a conversation always have to be adversarial? I don’t think it was advertised as a debate.
where does it say it's a debate? it specifically said "conversation".
I'm not sorry but racism, colonialism and imperialism are far from the gravest sins in the world. Either way hypocrites are gonna hypocrite.
Go on Clubhouse and listen to ADOS fight with Pan-Africanist. It'll make your head explode.
You have to have money to make/invest money. The fear of poor white men of being replaced is hilarious (sad). All they have to do is to stay in school and avoid drugs.
I'm all for speaking against antisemitism, and the title of video has merit. But... perhaps the most appropriate title when you take this subject matter to its ultimate conclusion is "Anti-Racism and Anti-Whiteness Collide".
So you missed the point completely I see."antiwhiteness"is that your response and understanding of antisemetism? is that what you thought the holocaust and countless pogroms in Europe thorughout history are "white on white violence as Whoopi Goldberg said...wow some people really are wilfully ignorant aren't they
@@upendasana7857 Not at all. My response is about Whoopie said. Of course there is an almost unlimited diversity of tribalism, and most of it isn't about skin color. Hatred of others is damnable no matter where the dividing line is drawn. We all need to take a good hard look in the mirror and figure out how to be good to our neighbors.
Don't forget to fill out Republican next time you vote. We've had jews backs for like 20-30 years min. And as long as they're fighting Hamas we will remain on their side. It's likely Jews will never stop fighting Hamas so now you know who to vote for.
There are a lot of important issues at stake tho
Ugggghhhh the violin playing... since abandining the truth, the past has become just a story we tell ourselves to justify bad behavior. Start giving credit where it is due for this remarkable country. We aaaall hit the lottery being born here. Humility and gratitude, the rest is cream cheese bebe.
Bari describes the Jewish experience to a T. Thank you
Too much discussion about symptoms of social ills, .. need more talk about the causes
hi Hannah how are you I’m fine