based on the thumbnail, Gen is going to go on a rampage and destroy everyone. before watching the video, I already know Chikurin's characters. It's gotta be Leroy, Fahkumram, or Geese (at least 2 of them).
I don't know why it matters but he used non-DLC characters against Knee several times, and won some. The best DLC characters aren't better than Steve or Julia or arguably even Devil Jin and Zafina among others. Inform yourself.
@@mazin9193 Fakumram is still broken.I haven't seen Chikurin winning against Knee with non DLC characters in recent time.Everytime Chikurin was demoted.
@@thebeyonder77777 You said he never used non DLC which is false. "Fahkumram is broken.", "Feng is trash." and yet Nobi's Feng destroyed Knee's Fahkumram 3-0 then 10-3 even though Knee > Nobi. These tier excuses gotta go. Playstyles, knowledge, and adaptation are far more important. Chikurin never mained Fahkumram when he was easily the best character in the game unlike many other top players (including Knee and Ulsan). But yeah, his chances of winning against Knee are on average less than 50% regardless of the character he's using. Knee is simply the GOAT. Chikurin did actually beat Knee's Kazumi using Jin the other day, ending the deathmatch with 6 consecutive wins and promoting on him (downloading him). Naturally, his chances with Jin, Geese, and Leroy are typically higher than with the other characters because he happens to main them and excell at using them. That they're high/toptier obviously helps but they aren't the only strong characters in town. Season 4 is fairly balanced.
@@mazin9193 i mostly agree with you, nishant argument is heavilly flawed but saying season 4 is balanced is pretty much a joke right now especially when obviously its NOT. this whole "tournament/event" is pretty much S tier battle gatherings, these two countries dont shy away from using S tiers to win tournaments.. Fahkumram, Steve, Leroy, Feng, Geese, Marduk.. if its balanced why do we keep seeing these particular 6 characters? Sure, lets be fair and add more, theres also julia, bryan,kazuya that we see barely sometimes.. even more rare? Jin, maybe nina and king but thats a far stretch.. how many is that in total?? 12... yea.. fuckin 12.. do you know how many characters there is on tekken? Let me remind you theres 52! 40 characters left out, and we're seeing the highest level of online tournament RIGHT HERE, best players with best connection, these are the TWTs top placing players who have dominated tekken scene, and all of them are fighting it out with these particular 6 S tier characters?? Cmon.. sure, at the end we saw gen using shaheen, i use shaheen too, he sucks bad because of his nerfs, look at what it did to gen.. 3:0ed, you're not winning events with lackluster characters thats just the reality.
@R Krawyu A slight gap in tier levels can be more than enough to encourage top competitive players into maining the stronger character, particularly in tournaments. So for example; if Steve is universally viewed to "barely" be above Devil Jin's level, the majority of pro player who excell at using both characters will opt to go for Steve in serious events because they're more confident in the character; it's the safer bet. This confidence in turn will make them put more hours trying to perfect their skill at using Steve. This gives the illusion of Steve (or THEIR Steve) being "much stronger" than Devil Jin when it isn't necessarily true at all. Character tournament representations are misleading. You gotta remember that Akuma was perceived by many Koreans including Knee as a weak C-tier character. Then Pakistan showed up and made everyone complain about how broken and unfair he was lol. It goes without saying, there is still a lot of room to improve balance by buffing low tiers. But from mid to high tier, Tekken 7 has never been more balanced than its current state. Gigas - Hazure Metal is one of the most consistent tournament players in Japan, having made the top 8 or barely missed it in countless events. Youjin Boy is self explanatory. Both of them made top 8 every single time they participated in ICFC, and have met at the losers finals once, finishing at 2nd and 3rd. (Breaking: Youjin Boy just had his revenge on Hazure Metal and won ICFC week 8! The faced off THREE times at the top 8! I guess it takes a Gigas to beat a Gigas 👍) Raven - GoAttack is a long set monster typically chilling at TGO, and Pinya has been dominant to the point of having Double and Ao agree on Master Raven being one of the top 5 characters in the game. Nina - Umashika and especially Tribal (who's been more active lately) are killing it online. Umashika just placed 5th at ICFC minutes ago, eliminating Chanel. Chloe - Hamachan placed 4th at the extremely stacked Chikurin Cup, only outranked by Rangchu (mainly Panda), Karei (Ganryu), and the champion Furumizu (Lei). Notice NONE of these characters are considered top tier. Nobi. Double, Take, Gen, Noroma, and Ao failed to make top 8 IIRC. Habu (Hamachan's master) also had an excellent run at another stacked event that I forgot. Ganryu - Karei placed 2nd and 3rd in two consecutive VERY stacked tournaments. And he's a consistent TGO in Korean/Japanese servers to boot. Kazuya - Keisuke recently more often than not makes the top 8 in stacked tournaments. His last notable placement is 2nd at Mastercup Try, only losing to G's Bob (another overlooked strong character). And iKari is doing quite well too. Leo - Masa (and Gen) are absolute monsters. Masa recently won an ICFC and typically goes toe to toe with some of the absolute best. The top 3 players at Mastercup Try were: 1. G (Bob) 2. Keisuke (Kazuya) 3. Taris Cutter (Kunimitsu) The list goes on and on but I'll stop. The truth of the matter is, there is no such thing as "characters carrying the player". The game is fairly balanced; any top player can win tournaments with mid-tier characters if they had the guts to commit. Steves and Fahks aren't dominating Korea because they're broken; they're dominating because the players themselves are broken 😂. Knee, LowHigh and Ulsan are phenomenal players. JDCR as well although he doesn't seem as focused or as motivated as he used to be. In the end, I agree that tiers play their role, but that role is massively exaggerated.
@@adamusso_tk oh shoot, i checked out Chikurin's upload and they were analyzing/coaching each other during the matches. they asked things like if they are doing anything wrong, etc.
3:11 진짜 카운터 한방에 실화냐 와 ㅋㅋㅋ
붕권보다 약하네요!!
상단 회피 + 하단 + 카운터시 바닥 파괴인걸 감안하면 엄청 쌘거
34:54 무나리오+레아딜캐
소름 돋네요 특히 하단막고 바로 레아 쓴거 ㄹㅇ...
@@noble3138 저 짧은 순간에 저런 판단을 어떻게 하지
@@manhong1478 상대 입장에선 가볍게 로우킥 견제하다가 레아맞음 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
0:10 맨 왼쪽은 한동안 이제 없는사람...
논산 ㅠㅠ
아.... 논산으로 가셨나요ㅜ
에퀴녹스 논산..
헐... 군대갔나요?
@@KK-bw1hv 2월22일입대..
09:38 치쿠린 6잽 콤보 죽이네요 ㅎㄷㄷ
6잽은 어케하는거여 ㅋㅋㅋ
무로울 진짜 드림팀이네요 서로 플레이스타일이나 장점이 다달라서 일본선수들 대처하기 어려워하는게 초보입장에서도 보일정도
진짜 3명 다 다름 ㅋㅋ 무릎님은 수비적인 육각형 스타일 로하이님은 공격적인 스타일 울산님은 기본기를통한 밸런스 스타일
무로울하면 지구방위대임
16:48 Knee is cold blooded he even hit the taunt 🤣
21:03 하단지옥 ㅋㅋㅋ
무멘 표정이 너무 사악해요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
치쿠린이 느꼈을 답답함을 노로마도 맛보라는 무멘ㅎㅎㅎ
이건 체어샷 나가겠는데 ㅋㅋ
Most disrespectful play I have ever seen hahaha
@@BandaiSCUM It works
이 안에서 행복 철권하는 당신은...... ㅋㅋㅋ 두 선수도 잘했지만 울산 선수의 강력함이 많이 느껴진 원정 시리즈 였습니다.
이제 머리밀고 더 강해질 예정ㅜ
떡볶이 만들면서 시청하고
먹으면서 시청하고
설거지하면서 시청했네요
성시경 - 잘자요
무릎 - 잘가요
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
'무자비'
최준 - 커피한잔할래요
39:50 당신은 탈모 빔을 맞았습니다
니가 탈모네 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
gen이 요즘 일본최강이라던데.. 한국팀에게 0:3당했 ㄷㄷ 근데 내용은 사실 박빙이긴했네요 ㅋㅋ 다음에 더욱 강해진모습으로 돌아오길!
겐인지 젠인지.. 아무튼 저친구 잘하긴하네요ㅋㅋ
그 동안 이 원정 게임 시리즈 업로드 해주시냐고 수고 많으셨습니다 잘 봤습니다
38:09 본인도 무티브라 말함 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
한국팀에서 울산,로하이,무릎 이렇게 3명 나오는데 왜케 든든하냐 ㅋㅋ
절대 안질거같은 팀..
궁금한게 있는데 일본은 팀이 여러팀이있는데 한국은 무릎님 울산님 로하이님 이렇게 세분 팀 밖에없나요? 아니면 한국도 다른팀이있나요? 아 물론 오피셜팀이 아닌 친선팀인건 알고있어요
저 세분도 팀 다 다름. 무릎은 록스 로하이 uyu 울산은 eqnx
국내 탑3이라 일본 팀전체랑 돌아가며 붙는 듯
저희가 일본에 원정가서 도는 느낌이라 한국팀은 고정이고 일본팀은 계속 바뀌는거에요
일단 한국이 원정 뛰는 느낌이라 젤 대표격인 무로울이 묶인거고 일본쪽은 말 그대로 도장깨기 느낌으로 여기저기 만나는듯
그냥 한국 3대장이 일본 각 지역 또는 일본 소속팀들 도장깨기 하는겁니다
JDCR 랑츄 전띵등 잘하는선수 많아요
전띵님은 주캐인 에디가 너프를 심하게 먹어서 폼이좀 많이하락되었지만..
탑티어입니다.
크 무덕 너무 좋네요 코스튬도 완벽하고
굿
멋있어 무로울~~!! 이런 이벤트 감사합니다~~
3대3 컨텐츠 ogn에서 허준님이 아이디어제시 한걸 반영하신건가요? 넘 재밌어요 ㅎㅎ
39:31 로로마 오타요ㅋㅋㅋ
ㄴoroma ㄷㄷㄷ
와 무티브 진짜 자비없다... 개잘해
17:13 ???: 주먹감자 주먹감자 주먹감자
I love the fact that hes pretty much a marduk main lol
Hello my Korean friends! do you know where we can watch the full video on these matches? thanks in advance
afreeca tv
Or chikurin's youtube
Chikurins youtube would be the perfect option for you, its full and on youtube
15:19
스티브 상대로 펭 선택하신거 보자마자 싱글벙글했음 ㅋㅋ
작년 ATL선 스티브 카운터가 머덕이었는데 최근엔 펭으로ㅎㅎㅎ
초반에 무릎님이 플레이한 캐릭터가 머독 맞나요?
무릎형 영상은 못참지 ㅋㅋ
상금걸고 하는건가요? 아님 걍 친목전..??
한번 보니까 계속 보게 되내요ㅋㅋ
based on the thumbnail, Gen is going to go on a rampage and destroy everyone.
before watching the video, I already know Chikurin's characters. It's gotta be Leroy, Fahkumram, or Geese (at least 2 of them).
도장깨기 후기같은건 안나오나요?? 나오면 재밌을거 같은데ㅔ
세상에 가장 쓸데없는 걱정이
무릎님 걱정
잘봤어용~
초 고수들이네요. 보는 내내 숨을 쉴수가 없어요.
무려 40분짜리 ㄷㄷ 꿀잠 자겠습니다 감사합니다^^
저 무에타이하는 케릭 브루스 인가요? 짱쌔네요
They all played on Chikurin's account? I guess they all were in the same room.
겐은 파쿰아니면 못비빌듯싶은데 플레이스타일이 공격모션빨라서 보기힘든거아니면 다잡히는거같네
겐이 다른거하는데 지금라인업정도 이기는영상 있으신분?
19:35 씨익...--+
무릎님 머덕 진짜 좋아하네 ㅋㅋㅋ
3대장 후덜덜하다
21:18 하단 안 막음?ㅋㅋㅋ
진짜 무티브는 아무리봐도 저 퀵훅카운터타이밍이 어떻게나오는건지 이해할수가없음 ㄷㄷ
가끔 프레임이 살~짝 끊겨서 보이는데 방송할때 같아요 컴퓨터 사양 올릴생각없나요?
회선문제지 컴터사양 문제가 아님 일본선수분들이랑 겜하면 종종 이렇게됨
이 경기를 마지막으로 울산은 그만....
14:47 심리 쩔었다는데 뭐가 쩔었는지 아무리 봐도 모르겠는 지나가던 철린이
저기서 약간 늦게 하단쓸수도있는데 심리로 중단날리는거죠
@@Tony-jr7cr ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 개소리 홀드심리 얘기하는거구만 로하이가 파쿨람 홀드예측해서 기술 내밀었는데 파쿨람이 역으로 홀드안해서 기술맞춘 거임
아 꿀잼
고딩시절 동전 세로로 놓고 건너편 토너식으로 계속 시작 ㅋㅋ
버스시간다되가서 13연승중 하다말고 동전챙겨나감 ㅋ 폴피닉스랑 화랑 진짜 많이했었는데 그때가즐거웠조 ㅎ
아 겜 진짜 얄밉게 잘히네 철권 안하는데도 상대한테 감정이입됨
Does anyone know how many TGO has Knee?
He has 14 tgo, maybe
와 빨리들어오셨네 ㅋ 즐감할게요 3빠
무릎님의 무서움이 이거네...
다운로드 하면서 시스템 체인지..
미쳤다...
한국팀 일본팀 전체보는곳은 없나요?
무프리카서 보세용
아 역시 잘해..
든든하구만ㅋ
일본인들인데도 아이디밑에 프로필이 한글로 많이되있던데 자동번역이에요?
네, 미국에서는 영어로 나와요
무릎님은 시체 때리는 기준이 있나요? 이때까지 일본선수들과 하며 노로마만 서로 때리네요
@@뒹굴-i9z 답변 감사합니다.
철권 잘모르는 데도 무릎경기는 감탄사 연발
무릎 웃는거 왤케 통쾌하냐ㅋㅋ
무티브에 엔딩까지 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
무티브 올만에 봐서 너무 반가웠음 이때
한일전 5전(5일) 전승 ㄷㄷㄷ
최근 무릎님 주캐릭은 스티브라 보면 되나요?
브라이언이요
대회용으로는 스티브 주로 쓰시죠
요즘은 머덕을 많이 쓰심
원래 대회용 1티어 주캐릭은 스티브 파쿰람 최근 재미들이신 주캐는 머덕 네간 애정캐는 브라 정도인듯요
무조건 이겨야할땐 폴 하실걸요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Is chikurin so afraid of Knee that he never uses non DLC characters against him?LOL.
I don't know why it matters but he used non-DLC characters against Knee several times, and won some. The best DLC characters aren't better than Steve or Julia or arguably even Devil Jin and Zafina among others.
Inform yourself.
@@mazin9193 Fakumram is still broken.I haven't seen Chikurin winning against Knee with non DLC characters in recent time.Everytime Chikurin was demoted.
@@thebeyonder77777
You said he never used non DLC which is false.
"Fahkumram is broken.", "Feng is trash." and yet Nobi's Feng destroyed Knee's Fahkumram 3-0 then 10-3 even though Knee > Nobi. These tier excuses gotta go. Playstyles, knowledge, and adaptation are far more important.
Chikurin never mained Fahkumram when he was easily the best character in the game unlike many other top players (including Knee and Ulsan). But yeah, his chances of winning against Knee are on average less than 50% regardless of the character he's using. Knee is simply the GOAT.
Chikurin did actually beat Knee's Kazumi using Jin the other day, ending the deathmatch with 6 consecutive wins and promoting on him (downloading him). Naturally, his chances with Jin, Geese, and Leroy are typically higher than with the other characters because he happens to main them and excell at using them. That they're high/toptier obviously helps but they aren't the only strong characters in town. Season 4 is fairly balanced.
@@mazin9193 i mostly agree with you, nishant argument is heavilly flawed but saying season 4 is balanced is pretty much a joke right now especially when obviously its NOT. this whole "tournament/event" is pretty much S tier battle gatherings, these two countries dont shy away from using S tiers to win tournaments.. Fahkumram, Steve, Leroy, Feng, Geese, Marduk.. if its balanced why do we keep seeing these particular 6 characters? Sure, lets be fair and add more, theres also julia, bryan,kazuya that we see barely sometimes.. even more rare? Jin, maybe nina and king but thats a far stretch.. how many is that in total?? 12... yea.. fuckin 12.. do you know how many characters there is on tekken? Let me remind you theres 52! 40 characters left out, and we're seeing the highest level of online tournament RIGHT HERE, best players with best connection, these are the TWTs top placing players who have dominated tekken scene, and all of them are fighting it out with these particular 6 S tier characters?? Cmon.. sure, at the end we saw gen using shaheen, i use shaheen too, he sucks bad because of his nerfs, look at what it did to gen.. 3:0ed, you're not winning events with lackluster characters thats just the reality.
@R Krawyu
A slight gap in tier levels can be more than enough to encourage top competitive players into maining the stronger character, particularly in tournaments. So for example; if Steve is universally viewed to "barely" be above Devil Jin's level, the majority of pro player who excell at using both characters will opt to go for Steve in serious events because they're more confident in the character; it's the safer bet. This confidence in turn will make them put more hours trying to perfect their skill at using Steve. This gives the illusion of Steve (or THEIR Steve) being "much stronger" than Devil Jin when it isn't necessarily true at all. Character tournament representations are misleading. You gotta remember that Akuma was perceived by many Koreans including Knee as a weak C-tier character. Then Pakistan showed up and made everyone complain about how broken and unfair he was lol.
It goes without saying, there is still a lot of room to improve balance by buffing low tiers. But from mid to high tier, Tekken 7 has never been more balanced than its current state.
Gigas - Hazure Metal is one of the most consistent tournament players in Japan, having made the top 8 or barely missed it in countless events. Youjin Boy is self explanatory. Both of them made top 8 every single time they participated in ICFC, and have met at the losers finals once, finishing at 2nd and 3rd. (Breaking: Youjin Boy just had his revenge on Hazure Metal and won ICFC week 8! The faced off THREE times at the top 8! I guess it takes a Gigas to beat a Gigas 👍)
Raven - GoAttack is a long set monster typically chilling at TGO, and Pinya has been dominant to the point of having Double and Ao agree on Master Raven being one of the top 5 characters in the game.
Nina - Umashika and especially Tribal (who's been more active lately) are killing it online. Umashika just placed 5th at ICFC minutes ago, eliminating Chanel.
Chloe - Hamachan placed 4th at the extremely stacked Chikurin Cup, only outranked by Rangchu (mainly Panda), Karei (Ganryu), and the champion Furumizu (Lei). Notice NONE of these characters are considered top tier. Nobi. Double, Take, Gen, Noroma, and Ao failed to make top 8 IIRC. Habu (Hamachan's master) also had an excellent run at another stacked event that I forgot.
Ganryu - Karei placed 2nd and 3rd in two consecutive VERY stacked tournaments. And he's a consistent TGO in Korean/Japanese servers to boot.
Kazuya - Keisuke recently more often than not makes the top 8 in stacked tournaments. His last notable placement is 2nd at Mastercup Try, only losing to G's Bob (another overlooked strong character). And iKari is doing quite well too.
Leo - Masa (and Gen) are absolute monsters. Masa recently won an ICFC and typically goes toe to toe with some of the absolute best.
The top 3 players at Mastercup Try were:
1. G (Bob)
2. Keisuke (Kazuya)
3. Taris Cutter (Kunimitsu)
The list goes on and on but I'll stop.
The truth of the matter is, there is no such thing as "characters carrying the player". The game is fairly balanced; any top player can win tournaments with mid-tier characters if they had the guts to commit. Steves and Fahks aren't dominating Korea because they're broken; they're dominating because the players themselves are broken 😂. Knee, LowHigh and Ulsan are phenomenal players. JDCR as well although he doesn't seem as focused or as motivated as he used to be.
In the end, I agree that tiers play their role, but that role is massively exaggerated.
이제무릎님 유튭 안해여?
무멘은 13년부터 아프리카만 했습니다 지금은 파비이고...
@@mmanhb552 제목이 마지막 무로울의 도장깨기라 이제 유튜브 안하시냐고 물어보신거 같은데요?
울산님이 얼마전 군입대해서 이제 당분간 무릎 로하이 울산 3명의 팀은 볼수없기에 '마지막'이라고 하신겁니다.
무티브 퀵훅은 진째 매직이다
사이좋게 2승1패씩 했네요
오케이 잘가요 ~
무야호
철권7에 기스가나오나요? 기스음악이들리네요
나와요 dlc 라 구입은 해야하지만
펭 질채 카운터 아주 감칠맛 나네요
빠직 들으려고 무릎 영상본다..
무릎영상 보면서 진짜 무서운건 정작 본래주캐 브라이언이 아닌 다른 캐릭터들만으로 프로급을 압살하고 다니신다는점...
이사람 철권 안해본사람인듯
브라이언 이번패치로 기상13딜캐에 벽광이 생겨서 쓸만해진거지 그전까지만해도 쓰기어려웠음 타쿠마정도 제외하면..
안좋은건 아닌데.. 훨씬 강하고 좋은 딜캐 캐릭터들이 많아서 거의 중급티어정도 ..?그래서 무릎님은 상성파악하면서
리리, 데빌진, 스티브, 폴, 등 횡으로피하면서 카운터 잘내고하단 딜캐가 강한 캐릭터들을 많이해온것임.(+본인은 딜캐가 약하거나 콤보딜이 약하게들어오는 캐릭연구)
그래서 무릎님이 철권신이라 불리는거고 세계1위인거기도 하죠
@@WhatShouldIDo-e6y 엄...철린이인건 맞음 근데 그정도로 쓰기어려운캐릭터인줄은 몰랐어요. 무릎님영상보고 사실상 첫입문한거라
무릎님 주케 브라이언 아닙니다~ 스티브 파쿰람 머덕을 더 많이활용하세요
@@gryhun5194 ...? 무릎하면 브라이언 아닌가
Anyone noticed that every Japanese player used Chikurins account?
yes i did. does this mean they are in the same room?
@@Viewer13128 it looks like it , yeah
@@adamusso_tk oh shoot, i checked out Chikurin's upload and they were analyzing/coaching each other during the matches. they asked things like if they are doing anything wrong, etc.
@@Viewer13128 thats why, hey at least we know the answer 😊
와... 한일이 합치면 무적이 되지 않을까? 서로 재미지게 싸우는 형세에서 같이 박터지게 수련하는 날이 왔음 좋겄어요.
외계인이 철권으로 쳐들어오면 그렇게 될지도
무랑으로 우승하는거보고싶다~~
장담컨데 다음 시즌에 마운트 뎀지 최소 5는 너프된다
KNEE "TEKKEN GOD ALPHA"
무멘 일본유저들과 겜할때 머덕 펭으로 많이 행복철권하고 있는데 겐이 간만에 무티브를 출격하게 할 정도이니 잘하긴 잘해
시즌2부터 무티브로 성적으로 내면서 다른 프로들도 부캐로 스티브로 하게했으니...무멘 질채카운터터질때마다 사악한 미소ㅎㅎㅎ
Nice
울산님 군머 잘갔다오세요
근데 노로마란 분이랑 싸울땐 왜 시체훼손하는거임? 딴판에는 다 안그랬는데 친구라서 그런거임 아님 사이가 안좋은거임?
상대 닉은 왜 가린건가요
회선문제로 노로마, 젠선수가 치쿠린선수집으로 가서 경기함 그래서 치쿠린선수 아이디로 돌려가며 경기하니 혼동이 생길까봐 편집해놓신듯
따블기쁘게
이때였나....무덕이 활개치니 일본에서 덕구가 유행을 타게 됐던게..
역시 철권은 약한 캐릭이 없네. 사람이 못하는거 확실함.
무신이 하면 다 강캐잖아.
Knee’s feng lol
다양한케릭으로 상대하는 무멘
마지막은 무티브 마무리
I m Teeken 7 player 😁🚩
🔥#STARGAMBIT🔥
부처 꿈에 나올라 ㄷㄷㄷ
울산:잘가요ㅠ
무릎:잘가요~
최배달이 도장깨기 하는거같다
Yeah
펭은 ㄹㅇ 걍 존나 빡침 콤보부터 자세도 그렇고
Love you from Pakistan
No mercy is my name
??? : 아아 다운로드 콤플릿~~!
머덕푸싱이 리얼개사기아닌가요? 파훼를못하겠음
치쿠마 노로마 겐 이 세명이 한국의 무로울 비슷한 조합 아님?
치쿠린 노비 겐 정도가 아닐까여?? 제생각입니다만
@@이종덕-e3z 동감
@@이종덕-e3z 그렇게 생각할수도 있는데 당장 이영상에서도 성적 가장좋은건 노로마선수
겐은 3명한테 다졌네 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
5번째네!