ASOIAF Theories: The Terrible Secret | The Blood of Weirwoods
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Just sharing my ideas one of my favorite book series, A Song of Ice and Fire by George RR Martin. This video may contain spoilers for those of you who are not up to date with the series. That goes for the HBO show and the books.
I'm just speculating and guessing on some ideas that I have on how future events will transpire in the series. Keep in mind however, I know nothing.
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Fun fact. There exists similer connections between real trees. Mostly through intertwined roots that send elektrik signals... However its nothing intelligent.
It's more like "pass the food m8"
Best. Comment. Ever.
Anewlevel if only people could do that instead of passing their nasty Weiner diseases around to everybody else. 🙂👌👍
They are also connected by mushroom root systems, maybe a little bit more similar to how weirwoods work.
i have heard that some tree kinds preferred to "pass the food" as you put it, to their own kind.
tree nepotism.....
Legend say that the Grey King of the Iron Islands built the first longship of the pale wood of Ygg, an evil tree that feed on human flesh...
Wait, could this evil tree be the great other but I don’t really think the pale wood came from the Ygg but from some common Weirwoods
I thought something similar but it's "The Forest". As in "The children of the forest" isn't a short joke made by the first men, It's one living "many faced" being. And not the only one. "The forest" An Earth god. "The heart of winter" An Ice god behind the others. "R'hllor" A fire god of dragons, and "The drowned god" An ocean god. I think it's all Lovecraft style cosmic horror hidden in plane sight (edit: Oh pretty much the same thing you pointed to in "They who move the pieces" already, just with my take on who's who)
Does anyone remember how in the show, the others were taking human babies, and then their eyes turned blue, others blue. They never touched on any of that as to, what happens or anything. But were they taking them to the tree to sacrifice ?????
Lexa they weren’t just taking human babies, they were claiming their brothers. Craster’s been sacrificing his sons to the Others for decades in order to appease them.
Oh my god, what if the War of the Five Kings was orchestrated as a giant blood sacrifice to the Weirwoods? The Riverlands saw the most fighting, meaning that the lands about the God's Eye and the Isle of Faces was awash in blood. And that blood would seep into the earth the feed the roots that extended out from the Isle of Faces.
I am loving this theory. Everyone says the children are evil but i have never felt that way, they just don't seem that sinister towards humans. I mean blood sacrifice is one thing but there are a lot of interesting traditions involving sacrifice to the gods throughout history.
Took me 2 days to watch this because of children (not THE children, just MY children, which definitely are evil.).
I personally think that some children on the forest or evil somewhere, not somewhere more in the middle, same thing with humans
I was watering my Japanese maple trees while listening to your video. It was so akward feeding my trees I had to break the silence,. So I said "TINA! YOU FAT LARD! COME GET SOME HAM"
Be careful. It's not a ham tree! It's a hambush!
Your theory vids are mind-blowing. It’s awesome to be reminded of basic ASoIaF elements (like weirwoods) that we simply accept “because magic”, but need to be examined and questioned further.
The narration is so creepily good I can’t watch these at night-makes me too jumpy.
Say _"The Others are coming to feed the trees"_ to someone who doesn't know anything about ASOIAF and watch their reaction... :D
"Feed me, Bran! FEEEEEEED ME!"
I really like this theory. What if the Great Other is tied to the weirwood net. Maybe the conscious weirwood net is the Great Other or the sacrifices to the trees are how he gets his power. We never are told the name of the Great Other. Perhaps that is because its name would reveal what the he is.
Kyle Kolbye the Great Other may never be named in any language
Kyle Kolbye trees wouldn’t want an eternal darkness or winter tho, they need light to photosynthesize lmao
3,4- Methylenedioxy These are blood trees. They may only need blood sacrifice to survive. If their power is linked to the great other than they could survive the long night. There is a war between fire and ice, Rhollor and Great Other, I'm just trying to figure out where the weirwoods place is in all this.
Kyle Kolbye yea, and you know the three eyed crow knows all about this. that fucker his hiding way too much shit.
Your comment made me wonder since Euron is called "the crows eye" and blood Raven the three eyed crow, in life was always said to have "a thousand eyes and one"
What if Euron is the "one" eye. You know cause of the whole "the crowd eye" moniker and since he is talks about some dark god he serves. What if he serves the great other and was recruited by the three eyed crow to do the work of the Great Other on planetos, as if to be the Three Eyed Crows legs persay and do things the three eyed crow cannot since he is in a way physically trapped in his layer.
Hmm...
Johnlocked the impala I do think there is symbolism with the crow. Crow symbolises death and we know Euron isn't a good guy. Makes you wonder why in the show he is the three eyed raven instead of crow like in the book. I think there is a good reason for him being a crow in the book.
Plz do more videos like these rather than discussion videos.
Aziel Daly New video material is hard to come by since there hasn't been any new books or information out in a long time sadly
Yeah, I'd love to get more videos like these too. But as Simbai said, it's pretty hard to come up with stuff.
He can do more vids like about Dunes. There are tons of material. I'd rather not see the discussion videos either, turns me off.
This is one of your best theories yet! (I've been wondering for a long time whether the Weirwoods are actually trees...Or just something that looks like "trees".)
I love this theory! I definitely think that this is what's going on. It would line up with the Others killing Waymar Royce in the prologue by hacking at him so that his blood would soak into the soil. I always thought it was strange that his death was was referred to as "cold butchery".
Poor Waymar got screwed so hard by the show. He goes down like a boss, but the show made him look like a whiny bitch.
So true. "Dance with me then" was iconic! I don't know why the show left it out.
Whitley Purnell indeed! I hated that the show put him off to be snooty and whiney when in the book he was pretty hard and faced his death with honor and cold determination.
whatever guys, he was a prologue character nobody gives two shits about. You're just looking for an excuse to hate on the show even more
Whaaa? I love the show, like desperately! If the show were a person, I'd totally put out. Then, maybe get caught cheating, by getting discovered "in the act" (reading ;) with the book. Then the show would get upset, and it would be a hyper complex love triangle... What were we talking about again?
"Never fear the darkness, Bran." The lord's words were accompanied by a faint rustling of wood and leaf, a slight twisting of his head. "The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong."( A Dance with Dragons, Chapter 34, Bran II)
I still come back to your videos years later, Quinn. I listened to these when they were release, again at the start of covid, and I’m listening to them still. Thanks for all the work and research you did to make these.
I've also always beel suspicious about the wall. What if it was built to lull the humans into a false sense of security? The fist of the first men sounds like a more fitting name for a place to guard against the undead. What if the Others built the wall in a previous winter to either guard against the humans or deceive them in this way. And after countless generations the humans forgot.
I really like this channel. It really helps add a better understanding and fortifies what I’m reading (currently halfway through ADWD).
Very good, I think you nailed it here...The "Order of the Green hand" has a large series of vids on this, and its ties to the faceless men and their temple in Bravos.
Crackpot theory. Could The Silence be made from Weirwood trees? With the red paint to cover blood stains being just blood stains from sacrifices and battles? I don't think Euron would care to hide his blood soaked deck, I feel like he'd wear it as a badge of honor. If true, it would give Euron a direct line to Bloodraven.
cylar8 Three Eyed Crow most likely, Euron talks about flying too like Bran. And TEC is different from Bloodraven.
I didn't realize that BR and the Three eyed Crow were different characters. There is no established "Night King" leader of the WW, Euron did say something in AFFC about making an heir worthy of "him". I'm thinking he has an ally.
I don't think BR is trying to help anyone but himself. He wasn't exactly a good person when he was "normal". Now he's all powerful, I can't see him just going away quietly. I think his agenda is self preservation
Probably, That goes well with his Shade of the Evening drinking from the blue leaved, black barked Ironwood trees in Esso's
The Euron story is shrouded in mystery and questions, it's become the chapters I'm looking forward to most in WOW.
Nah, Arya just jumps 50 feet and ends the threat instantly... She had training sweeping floors and washing dead bodies. Then a waif beat her with a stick. That's pretty much all it takes to thwart the dark magic of the old gods.
Poisonedblade
*150 feet, actually.
Then the Night King grabs her by the neck and nothing happends.
@@jonshadewalker1105 Yeah, the Night King can scar Bran in a dream, but Arya is 100% resistant.
Poisonedblade
He can scar Bran in a vision, transform a human baby into a WW(?) just by touching him, kill Viserion with an ice spear, survives when he falls from the sky in the Dragon VS Dragon sky battle, survives Dracarys.
But then, Arya stabs him in 5 seconds and THE END :(
@@jonshadewalker1105 Yeah. Game of Thrones becomes the story about how the Lannisters were killed by falling bricks and Arya casually kills the Night King before her vacation, told through the perspectives of other characters.
Poisonedblade
Yeah, the “valonqar” prophecy was just Bricks killing Cersei, so dissapointing...
8 years wondering if Jaime or Tyrion would kill Cersei, but no, Bricks... :(
He has such a great voice for narration.
lilj4818 I think he sounds stupid when he puts that dumb voice on.
I think his voice is awesome, I feel I'm in a super intense movie. Plus, I happen to think his voice is so damn sexy.
Dude, that was dark as fuck. I loved it!
I absolutely adore the artworks you used in this video!
I love these videos. Your voice is great. Please do more.
I recently subscribed to your channel after seeing your Dune videos, and now I'm going through your ASOIAF series. You've got an impressive writing talent, excellent literary analysis skills, and the sexiest voice ever :)
Love your videos Quinn!
Maybe that's the reason Melissandre thinks of Bran that he's a servant of The Great Other. In the books he is trained to be the next One Eyed Raven, who lives as a symbiosis between a weirwood tree and a man. To do the bidding of "the old gods". As of now, only two of the religions of Martin's world have some meaning. The Old Gods and R'hllor, manifesting through their accolites. I like very much the lovecraftian things he put in his writings, but I don't think he will extend them in his story. Unfortunely, they are just easter-eggs. I hope I'm wrong, but...
The already pubilshed chapter of Winds of Winter portrays Euron Greyjoy as Cthulhu, so the Drowned God probably isn't to be ignored...
@@songbird7450 I hope so. But for now, we see these portrayals just in dreams.
Damn this was a good video. This is a theory rivaling your theory that the Children created the others. And that one was proven to be true. A lot of things make sense suddenly. The weirwood trees want the blood of men, and so they summon "The Others" periodically to shed blood. They make sure to keep just enough humans alive for the next cycle, and even help the humans beat the Others if they need to. They want a periodic struggle forever.
To feed the trees...Oh spooky,I love It!!!!
Awesome! As always. Please make more like this. Everyone loves it
If you want more info on GRRM feeling on the “hive mind” of the weirwood net - read or listen to “A Song for Lya”
I like the theory of of all the natural disasters were aftershock from creating the Wightwalkers, beings not bound by the laws mortality to turn mans own death & destruction against themselves. The pact was made probably because the Wightwalkers saw no difference between man & the children of the forest, killing indiscriminately. If dragons are fire made flesh, then one could say Wightwalkers are weirwood or the old gods made flesh, all immortal if undisturbed.
Wait, that's pretty similar to what Secrets of the Citadel uploaded today.
Actually it's not really similar at all.
Lucifer means Lightbringer Love you LmL!!!
JustJay I agree with LML I've seen both videos and I thought they were different but even then a lot of discoveries in the history of mankind were and are made independently of each other without contact of investigators.
Like Leibnitz and Newton
I thought they were similar too at first, but this one was more concise, and the theory at the end about how the others are really just coming down to"feed the trees" is brilliant, so I give props to who ever thought of that.
@@leeroberts4850 might be they copied from Africa but it's clear that Quinn didn't copy her
Thank You for making this, loving the content
Another great video narrated with emotion and expression expertly. Personally I really enjoy these type of videos as opposed to your live streams. The live streams come across as all over the place when discussing topics. Sometimes on your livestreams your guest can take over the narration and they may have opinions and theories that are totally whack. We prefer to listen to you, not some other dude who shows up and takes control of your channel sharing crazy ideas that literally are fucking insane. I mean dont get me wrong, you have some crazy ideas that seem crazy sometimes as well, but for whatever reason your crazy shit is more palatable than your guests.
I think that your content comes sourced primarily from the books? That is good becauseI have to say that while season 7 of the tv show had some truly amazing moments, but at the same time it felt like season 7 was also lacking in something. What that something is, is hard to pin down exactly, but I think it may be lore related? Keep up the good work!
I realize that there is only so much content and available information on some of my favourite topics like Ashai, Stygai, the 5 Forts, Valeria, the greasy black stone, the true north beyond the veil of light, White Walker culture etc. For me I have practically memorized all of the available written content on these subjects, so we can only enter the realm of speculation when it comes to ne video content on these subjects. I am sure that this is a reality that you have also come to grips with yourself, likely on a regular basis; as such, please continue to pump out more content even if it is clearly speculation at this point.
I would love to see more videos on the following topics even though you hav3 already done videos on these topics, sometimes in multiples already:
Ashai
Stygai - I can’t get enough information on Stygai. What is it, how old is it, what resides there now, has anyone visited and returned alive?
The Lengii and the underworld beneath their feet inhabited by a fallen deity
The greasy black stone cities in the jungle that are abandoned
The Crypts beneath Winterfell
Ice Dragons and the Shivering Sea stories
The hidden Vale north of the Wall
The True North beyond the curtain of light that shows what is so important up there
City of the Winged Men
City of the Bloodless Men
The Grey Waste
The Giants of Essos, or lack thereof these days
The Great Emporer of the Dawn that ruled for 10k years
The Bloodstone Emporer
These are all topics you have covered in the past, but I would like to hear them again, perhaps with some new speculation? Your channel is great even if the tv show has lost its way a bit, I can still count on this channel to be based mainly off the book, which is never off the rails like the show.
This was amazing! I loved it!
quite honestly I really do believe this is the closest any of us has ever come to understanding the relationship between the children and the others as well as to why men and the children came to an agreement and created the pact. Now we know why the others left and waited so long to return to westerns.
Beautifully done ser! Please do more videos like this. This has most definitely cemented me in being a loyal subscriber. Do you have a patreon?
Haven't watched your videos in a long time. Awesome job!
I'm a new subscriber to your channel. Your narration and the artwork used are simply impeccable! I'm going to binge watch episodes asap. Thanks for your artistic content! Love QOT.🌹 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
there's few other GRRM books, Song for Lya and Way of Cross and Dragon for example, which have many ideas deeply connected to children of the forest and old gods
Great video. Cool to hear new theories or at least new to me.
Brilliant vid Quinn! Very interesting theory. It would explain why the Children gave up so much for seemingly getting so little in return.
diggin it man love your theories they give me new perspective
That artwork at 22 seconds is dopeeeeeeee.
This must be what that whole cut down the Asherah tree is about
Or tree can mean family tree like cut down your family tree
The trees form the Great Other or are a conduit of his power? Could be why Melissandre is so keen about burning Godswoods when she only burnt the Seven once, and symbolically, in Stannis "fire coronation".
Yeah, smart idea: total darkness is so ideal for the trees!...
If really the weirwoods are like a sentient being I don't think they'd have the white walkers bring forth a night long a generation; you know trees need light to live, chlorophyll photosynthesis and all that stuff!...
It seems the Long Night would be really, really bad for all vegetal life!
Weirwoods aren't ordinary trees by any means, so it can't just be assumed that they necessarily need sunlight.
When you start to 'assume' facts everything become possible! If you propose a theory about trees acting opposite to the laws of nature it should be supported by evidence. Then Martin is renowned for his realism, even magic works into plausible limits...
Weirwoods are clearly stated to be eternal unless cut down. So, no, they don't need sunlight. They wouldn't be eternal if they could simply die from bad weather.
This is GRRM we are talking about. Of course blood trees are going to act similar to their real equivalents. Martin loves intertwining reality with fantasy and showing that things don't exist could exist just as easily. With that being said, WWTs need mankind to survive because they need mankind to die and give up their blood. Obviously they want to control their food source and not let it run rampant and conquer the world and cut down all the trees, but they want to keep mankind as a stable supply. I think mankind has gotten a little out of hand and sacrifices to the trees have been forgotten and need to be remembered. My biggest questions have to do with, what types of interactions have White Walkers ever had with WWTs... They have never burned them down or used them, they possibly laid out some dead body parts in a sacrificial pattern and let the blood soak into the ground, but idk what that connection may be beyond that.
I Don't think the first war was between the first men and the wierwoods. I think it was between the weirwoods and the black oily stone. the children are the thralls of the weirwoods, and when the first men showed up they started fighting a battle on both sides. The pact the children made with men is when they finally made them realize the bigger picture and they are all on the same side (alive). The weirwoods have been crippled ever since and have been losing the war against the black oily stone. The stone was clever and waited quietly, while the memories of men grew old and forgot about the true threat. Now, he sees the time has come to strike at an unprepared foe, can men figure out what is going on in time to prevent calamity?
You are an amazing storyteller. I would gladly listen to audiobooks with you as a lector.
This is the best god damned theory
All these ideas of weirwood trees connection remind me of other GRRM writings such as A Song for Lya and Tuf Voyaging.
This is why they need R'hllor and to burn those creepy ass trees
These weirDwood trees sure are creepy as fuck, and need to be chopped down. But so is R'hllor. We must not forget that R'hllor too demands sacrifices and King's blood and whatnot. If I were to be sacrificed to some batshit crazy "god", I'd prefer a swift beheading like the one Bran saw in his visions of the past rather than the Inquisition-style burnings Melisandre dishes out. Point is, ALL gods in Planetos need to die.
Y'all motherfuckers need R'hllor.
KhukuriGod you are right religious fundamentalism is never healthy for anyone
Planetos needs technology, like right away. Whatever is keeping those people stupid, is seriously fucking humanity. Though, I am willing to believe that they did have technology at some point. I wouldn't be surprised to find out The Wall is filled with machines pumping seawater to be frozen. Isn't it a fact, The Wall is bigger now then it used to be?
Bluemilk92 I think they had magic to do that shit in the empire of the dawn
i need more videos like these
yes, these woods are a parasitic organism. it is a common theme in GRR martin stories - A song for Lya - for example
Fantastic vid dude!
Quinn my friend. I think you’ve cracked code of ASOIAF
Excellent video. I really love this theory.
Great stuff bro 👌👍🏿👌👍🏿
Mind blown! I love it!!!
Fungus must be part of this net somehow. They are everywhere. And GRRM likes mushrooms.
If David Lynch directed The Lorax then I think it'd be a lot like this.
Does anyone remember how in the show, the others were taking human babies, and then their eyes turned blue, others blue. They never touched on any of that as to, what happens or anything. But were they taking them to the tree to sacrifice ?????
Maybe they needed to feed the trees to keep the others at bay somehow?
Personally I don't trust the Weirwood, there are some parallels to be made between them and the Others.
Mind blown by this theory!
I love ur videos so much.
This was really good
The Weirwood trees and the Children of the Forest all sounds very, very similar to the Pequeninos ("Little Ones") and their relationship with the Mother/Father/Brother Trees from the Ender's Game book series. So many similarities, that I wonder if GRRM was inspired by that series. The Pequeninos are even mutated by a virus-carrying asteroid that a more powerful alien species sent out to reform/terraform planets, that sort of ties back into some of the Oily Black Stone theories. And I vaguely recall GRRM having praised Orson Scott Card way back in the 90's. Though clearly OSC has very negative views on the GOT show itself (Hence that whole "Cousin Orson" story).
Now that's a theory I like
now this is a real theory video about ASOIAF, awesome!
what if the opposite is true? not that the men didnt feed the trees but fed them too much! If the roots are spread throughout westoros then surely they would have feasted with the crows on men. So many wars and battles have been fought in westoros! The gallons of blood spilled into the earth must be enormous at this point in the story, especially after the wars of the 5 kings. The riverlands is soaked in blood and there are still wierwoods in the riverlands. Maybe now that the wierwoods are supercharged, the children of the forest can exact there revenge on humanity!
I've read only up to the third book (cause of school and whatnot) and I've only been able to find time to watch the show, and boy am I increasingly disappointed in the show as I watch more of your videos. I kind of knew the jig was up since season 5, but I'm in too deep to not watch till the end unfortunately. But that won't stop me from finishing the books after college. Easily the best aspect of this universe is its uniquely dark and Lovecraftian fantasy. I'm no fan of Lovecraft as a person, but his writings are some of the most fascinating and macabre in history. Although I don't totally enjoy Lovecraft's cosmic nihilism (since removing the agency behind human evil and giving it to a cosmic being is sometimes cheap in my opinion, but I agree that humans are insignificant in the grand scheme of things), you can appreciate how masterful and thoughtful Lovecraftian horror can be, especially the way Martin injects it into this series. It's just depressing how much lost potential the show has. If they maybe made it an animated series instead of a high budget live action blockbuster series, I think they could pull off introducing these aspects of the story better than this current adaption.
Maybe that's why Euron Crowseye has ships full of blood, bringing it up the rivers to the Gods Eye and Isle of Faces....?
Fascinating.
Cool idea
Or you know they could just be retaliating from humanity encroaching on their land...
weirwood ships would be pretty cool
Giving men the wall is giving them a powerful weapon to be used by the others if the can manipulate ice
the CotF sacrificing their young to the Weirwood Net bears a different meaning after watching your vid with LML
Weirwood trees have faces whereas the faceless men have none.
ALL HAIL THE QUINN!
What if bran is the reason blood sacrifice to the old gods stopped? Think about it he looks at his dad through the eyes of the weirwood and says father and ned stark clearly heard him and theon heard him as well in fact bran is the one who reminds him his name is indeed theon... When bran saw that blood sacrifice through the eyes of the weirwood I think he said something about it like "no don't" something like that anyway and those people would've heard him as everyone else has (ned stark, theon and Jon)
A nice twist
Yours is one of my favorite channels on GOt - podcasts specially i give u 1000 tumbs up but i have only 1
Yeah and why ASOIF have 60 mill readers and the same time people who watch this videos with deep analytics is too few of that lot consider ASOIF made for deep diving rather than casual reading
2:02 this is the first time I heard Brandon Stark be refered to as Ice eyes are the Starks part Other?
Well i really do Believe the wall was put up for the humans to forget the white walkers while the walkers slowly build up their numbers
"feed the trees" or "cleanse the Earth" Noah style
maybe leaf is laying and the others are the weirwoods wrath
Can someone please tell me in what video he discusses Jon's parentage?
ASoIaF: The Happening done right.
cool theory
No. They feared the Others they turned. They couldn’t control them after a time and needed to have the first men to help contain them?
So at the end of the day, the real enemy was the CotF the whole time.
I really don't like the idea that the children of the forest created the others. They've always struck me as entirely different from anything in Westeros, so I find it hard to believe that they are linked that closely.
yeah that makes sense
Hmm, you do give me another take to think on, when it comes to the Others and the Children's relationship to their Gods. Hmm. . Also for some stupid reason when you were talking at 5:13, I was thinking Weirwood trees are "weir (ware)" like we use the term we're "woke" now, for awoken, lol. Weir = aware hmmm just a stupid thought.
Man could you make videos about Elric of Melniboné?
Fear the Old Gods, Laurence!
All right you got me up on the R'hllor hype train! BURN THEM ALL!!!
Wow! ❤️❤️❤️
My gods their Sentient!!
“The North remembers” to sacrifice to the weirwoods?
blood raven was hungry