"When I die, I want my chain of command to lower me into my grave, so they can let me down one more time." How I would describe the Terminal List's plot.
I appreciated how even though there were realistic people having the realistic hand-wringing moments about what was happening, at no point did their characters' principles get illogically compromised, not even Reece's when it's pretty clear that though he's doing it to evil people, he is unequivocally doing evil and is at peace with it.
I heard those guys terminalised are working on the new punisher series title welcome back Frank And since Marvel Studios are doing more adult content TVMA/R rated.
@@Dunge0n And the beauty of it? That perspective isn't vilified, beyond the acceptance that the law is the law, and the main character is not legally absolved, still being a fugitive. The orbiting characters, and even those closest to the main character, make their opinion on the matter known, but it doesn't preach at the audience in an attempt to tell them how they should feel about it. We can have whateverthehell opinion we like without any punctuation from the writer, other than the completion of the list and the conspiracy coming to light. Doesn't attempt to make you feel bad for being 100% on board with the slaughter, or for believing the main character could have done more to expose the conspiracy and have the monsters responsible dragged through the legal system (though it's implied many are just too powerful and influential to be satisfyingly prosecuted, much less given the death penalty for the direct deaths of several servicemen).
Saw the whole thing - it's incredible !! Reece goes from a broken, confused & betrayed soldier who was scapegoated and discarded like a tool to the very incarnation of the Grim Reaper himself for the corrupt. Chris Pratt killed the role to the max.
The most refreshing thing about this show is how it's a story about vengeance but it never preaches about how "wrong" it is to seek vengeance or retribution and the "cycle of violence". Most stories dealing with these topics, for what seems like the past 15 years, devolves into "vengeance bad" or "violence bad" without any other differing point of view.
@@Dunge0n I'm not shocked that a bunch of limp-wristed pussies believes that violence is wrong. Side note, am I the only one that finds it funny that the majority of the show takes place in California?
I know a lot of people give Amazon Prime shit for Rings of Power (which was bad, admittedly), but this show is one of the best shows to come out of the streaming service, along with Reacher and Jack Ryan.
Them and Netflix both randomly grab pure gold amid the fetid excrement they dig their hands into, sometimes. I also wonder how many of these incredible projects would even have been able to see the light of day if not for them, which is why, even considering the disgusting crap they pull, I'm yet to be on the side of "burn the both of them to the ground". Figure if they tread water long enough, eventually they'll start cutting out the cancer cells perpetually sapping away profits, but that might be a bit too optimistic.
Amazon seems to nail action thrillers and fuck up on fantasy related adventure stories like wheel of time and off course…that absurd fucking show that considers itself to be part of the lord of the rings(rings of power is fanfic and I will forever consider it so)
As the critical drinker pointed out, Amazon seems to be a tale of two cities when it comes to adaptations. Military and espionage thriller adaptations are stellar, while fantasy adaptations by amazon are complete trash.
Luigi was by far my favorite character in this series aside from Mario himself and he broke my heart, he broke my heart into a thousand pieces. Now I understand that Luigi's Mansions exist because Luigi wanted to be surrounded by lost souls shackled by regret just like himself. Wallowing in his eternal misery eventually gave life to Guigi, the manifestation of all his sins in a concentrated form. They say both of them continue sucking up those coins in the bowels of hell itself to this day which will probably be explored in Luigi's Mansion 4: 30 Pieces of Silver.
For Chris Pratt coming from Parks and Recreation, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Jurassic Park he’s come a long way. This is the coldest and most hardcore character he’s ever played
As a dude in the US Army who trained with EOD and Aussie SF for a bit, Alot of the terminology and tactics used in the tunnel firefight was on point. Avalanche or Landslide(Cant remember which) was a term they used that blew my bind when they said it.
I binged this a while back as a method to help me stay awake to reset my internal clock. It was overall pretty gripping and I was impressed with Pratt's ability to subvert his typecasting. From what I recall, the harshest criticism I had was extremely minor, which had to do with some of the logistics of the mountain chase sequence late in the show. Otherwise, great action, great performances, compelling story that constantly had me guessing up to the very last moment, and a damn strong emotional core. As for why it has a low critic score, you know the reason.
you're absolutely right about that punisher part , there was only two stories that had this disemboweling scene one was Berserk and the other was the punisher max the Slavers Arc
Y'know, the more I watch your "Spec Ops: The Line vs ThE lAsT oF uS tWo" video, the more I think this is basically a mirror of Spec Ops The Line, or at the very least has a similar plot to it with similar characters: • James Reece and Martin Walker both start out as confident military guys (a Navy SEAL and a Delta Force operative, respectively) ready to finish the mission and go home. • Both stories tell about how fucked up war is and about how fucked up the government is. • They both end in similar ways: Walker and Reece lose their friends and go insane, determined to find the characters who fucked them over (Konrad and the SecDef, respectively), but while Walker fails to physically kill Konrad cuz he killed himself before Walker even arrived (although you can choose to kill him), Reece succeeds in his mission, first killing an NCIS agent in his own bedroom, then finding a corporate VP and torturing him into getting what he wants before drugging him with a methadone cocktail, disemboweling the cartel leader who murdered his family and then forcing him to walk around a pipe, killing a man on the literal steps of his own building, then running from the military and blowing up his two commanders after drowning another one in the Pacific and finally murdering his way to the SecDef before she kills herself to avoid responsibility. Walker, meanwhile, either succeeds or fails in killing Konrad after so much bullshit happens to him. While Walker can choose to accept responsibility for his actions by shooting himself in the head or having Konrad cap him, Reece absolutely does NOT regret his actions, not cuz he's delusional but cuz he genuinely understands that these are truly horrible people who've done terrible things. • Walker, at first, wants to be a hero but soon loses his shit, refusing to hold himself accountable for accidentally dropping Willy Pete on almost 50 civilians; after Lugo is lynched by civilians, Walker can choose to let them go or murder them in a fit of rage. Reece starts out as a hero with a happy family and a clean reputation, but he slowly loses his cool and eventually (in a way) disregards human life altogether, blatantly telling his friend Liz that he can't just stop to help anyone caught in the blast that fucks up Steve Horn and his men; eventually, he viciously guns down hordes of less-than-shit contractors who are "jUsT dOiNg ThEiR jObS" (which under almost no circumstances justifies killing people), smashing one guy in the face with a tomahawk and then putting a bullet in the last guy after he voluntarily drops his Glock and opens the safe room door for him. • Walker, despite losing his shit and then becoming an active sadist, can choose to do honorable things, such as choosing civilians over a CIA agent and saving a man who simply wanted to feed his family and was so desperate to do so that a soldier had to step in and murder them all. He also tried to save Dubai but indirectly fucks over their water supply and then has the choice of shooting the fucker who was responsible or letting him burn alive. Meanwhile, Reece's actions are less than honorable; he shoots an NCIS agent in the head and then guns down hordes of contractors. To make it simple: both are absolute lunatics, but one can choose to do good things while the other is an absolute psycho by the end of his story. • The game and show end in similar ways; like I mentioned above, Walker can either take accountability for his actions or refuse to accept it, and if he kills Konrad and then relinquishes his gun when the convoy shows up, he leaves and presumably returns home a broken soul who lost his mind. Meanwhile, Reece succeeds in fucking over the people who ruined his life, but unlike Walker who goes home a broken man or dies in a desperate attempt to redeem himself, Reece is able to accept his losses and move on with his life, satisfied that he could avenge them
The thing I liked so much about Terminal List is that Reece isn’t always right morally or factually, be he is a righteous man, and is ultimately hunting down and exterminating evil. Its always nice to see shades of grey and complexity for both the good guys and bad guys. I also really liked the psychological thriller elements that were added to the show, which were largely absent from the original novel.
What surprised me about this show was how good Chris Pratt’s brutal acting abilities were when he’s not acting in kid’s movies. Didn’t think he could fit but boy am I glad to be wrong.
After the first episode I remember saying out loud, "damn Chris Pratt can really play a Navy SEAL, who would've thought." Then the next day I realized, oh no duh, he'd played a SEAL in Zero Dark Thirty ten years ago
"Critics" hate this series because it shows a man being masculine, strong, and resilient, who takes vengeance for his family. For the record, Reece disemboweled the sicario because he was the one who actually pulled the trigger on Reece's family.
Man this show is peak perfection in storytelling which never holds your hands or directly talks to the audience as if they were stupid. That first episode does so much to set up the entire series than whatever trash media has lately been able to do. It’s also a perfect example between the disconnection of so called “professional” critics and the audience in its score.
This review got me to watch the series and I was pleasantly surprised. Every episode got me excited for the next one, every target eliminated feels satisfying. Very nice, I say.
To all those who wanted to know about the book. Season 1 of the Amazon series blends elements from the first four books, from what I've noticed. You'll see them once you've seen both the books and the show. I've come to appreciate elements from the series and the books, as both are great in their own right. I'd recommend watching the show first, then reading the books.
I've read all the books, minus the one coming out later this month, but haven't watched the show yet. From what I saw here it looks like this covers mostly the first book with pieces of the others, but you mentioned it does more, so that's cool. I was hoping maybe it would be one season per book, minus the second book with all the boat stuff. Seems a bit difficult to make into entertaining television I suppose. Either way, I'm looking forward to checking this out after I finish that last book.
@@matthiasthulman4058 Raife gets mentioned in the first season but doesn’t quite add the intrigue that the book had for it. It also didn’t have the section where Reeces family was killed by a drug cartel
@@GigaChadh976 yeah I've just finished the first few episodes and I don't like it. I feel like they left out a lot in an attempt to streamline the story, or probably just to shorten it up for tv. I don't know if they'll continue the series but hopefully it'll get better. The action is cool, acting is good, all that is fine. Just missed the call with mangling the story
decided to watch this before you went full in on the spoilers and im glad i did. this was an action/drama done right and Pratt's performance was great. the ending was not what i was expecting, good mystery in the conspiracy
4:10 Nobody pays attention to nor takes the critics seriously anymore. They’ve become a joke when they started giving movies higher scores just for being diverse and pandering to the radical left. Instead of the films merits. Which is how it should be done. And the majority of the audience didn’t enjoy. And they give movies and shows that depict strong American men with morals, bad scores. In this case, The Terminal List. Which was loved by the audience. I watched the show back to back when it first came out. And honestly one of thee best show I’ve seen in the last 5 years
Would love to see Almighty Loli just make a list of series he'd like to recommend in different genres and mediums (like, Horror Manga, Revenge TV Shows, etc)
It's why I prefer the Thomas Jane performance of Frank Castle. A brutal vigilante, yet a serious, stoic action anti-hero who rarely yells. Jane is the closest portrayal of how The Punisher is depicted in the comics.
Very satisfying thriller. Mostly very accurate to the book. The few changes from the book I could identify were actually improvements. Didn't love the second book and never read the third so not sure how it might go if the series progresses on Amazon. Season 1 is good ol revenge television though.
The third book was great. Much more local an for the most part taking place in Montana when compared to the globe trotting in the second. The fourth and fifth book are awesome.
Definitely read the rest of the books, the last one comes out this month. I agree that the second one was a bit of a drag, but I promise it gets way better.
@@jaffarebellion292 It's between books 1/3/4 for top book. The Devil's Hand is very reminiscent of early Mitch Rapp books with all the politician characters getting involved in dangerous activities.
Dude, I freaking love Anton Fuqua! Olympus has Fallen, Tears of the Sun, and Shooter are some of my favorite films! I will definitely have to give this show a watch sometime!
Terminal List really highlights just how far Hollywood has fallen over the past 20 years. Honestly the show doesn't do anything special that we haven't seen before, but since everything else is woke feminist trash and the same shallow super hero bullshit that we've been bashed over the head with for nigh on 20 years it's practically gold by comparison. The adage, "what's old is new again" comes to mind. If this show came out as a movie in the late 80's or early 90's with films like Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Robo Cop, Terminator I think it'd be regarded as highly as those movies are today (at least by anyone older than 25 who remembers them). It has the same type of spirit. The same goes for Reacher (the one with Alan Ritchson).
Terminal List has the "perfect ratio" on Rotten Tomatoes because of extremely gay sociopolitical reasons. Positive audience score because.. well, it's actually "good TV" if you're onboard for its kind of revenge. Negative critic score because there are a myriad of people with an axe to grind with Pratt's religious and political views, as well as *anything* glorifying any aspect of the military, along with the reveal of what really was the catalyst for everything that went wrong in the story. If anything it's an endorsement, though it is far and away not perfect. I'm onboard with the flashbacks, but there were stretches where they were *really* ploddingly drawn out. Still gripped me for an entire impromptu binge watch I was not expecting.
I stopped watching at the spoiler warning 10 months ago. Now after watching it very slowly due to life getting involved, i gotta say this show really struck a chord. Very good watch, even over the course of 10 months. Good recommendation
I’m so glad you brought up the comparison with Netflix Punisher because that’s how it felt to me very quickly when I watched Terminal List, the latter was so much better than the former. Netflix Punisher felt woefully unnecessary with how it wasted its time with the “oh the military did it the whole time” shtick. And the build up for seeing Frank go do full blown punishing after Daredevil season 2 left off with him fully donning the skull? Nope, completely shelved within the first 2 minutes of episode one (we got robbed I tell you). Whereas Terminal List had basically the same setup, but it worked because it used that plot setup and built it up from the start instead of piggybacking off of something else that had nothing to do with it, on top of the fact it was paced much better and was not nearly as much of a snore fest.
This point only really CLICKED with me on my third replay of the series[SPOILER]; Why all the weird hallucinogenic editing involving his family's memory? Why does it keep showing the whole "bird hit window" moment as something that's extremely fragmented and very dreamlike? Because the experimental drug is actually doing it's job. The drug works by blocking out if, not aggressively obfuscates, memories with strong, stressful or negative emotional attachment/association. So what does that say about James Reece? That for him, the most unforgettably frightening moment in his life is not the physical risk that comes with his job, nor his capabilities for efficient, cold violence...it's the realization that he has to confront his wife and daughter about those.--The reason the whole "bird hit window" scene kinds of always cut off seemingly in a very specific part is because that very specific point is where it dawned on him that he, somehow, have to walk them through his experiences, his mindset, and his expectation towards his job's risks, in faint hope of put them at ease. And at that moment he felt overwhelmed. The moment we could finally see the rest of that scene is actually the indication that he's finally able to make peace with that for himself. Therefore, the drug no longer attempts to "block" that memory out. Also goddamn; Chris Pratt and Taylor Kitsch's journey and bro-chemistry reminds me of Y0 Kiryu and Nishiki.
Holy shit...how did I not realize that. That's actually brilliant. It could also explain why he keeps on thinking that one of the local YPG guys panicked instead of one of his fellow SEALs. The drug is editing his memories so that it shows him something he wants to see.
@@echelon1020 yeah, so in a way, that's one additional layer of tragedy; the drug COULD be useful and successful. But company and government fast-tracking (human tests; they didn't even start with just one) pretty much set the whole thing in flames.
I fully believe Critical Drinker's theory on why "professional reviewers" give it such a low score: It's a show about men being men. A simple, "You wronged me. I'm coming for you." No pushing progressive ideals, that would make no sense being in this kind of show. Plus, it's star, Chris Pratt has been the target of being called an "evil alt righter" because he attends Church and is most likely conservative.
The show was what introduced me to the books (which I’ve read them all and even have a signed edition). The book of terminal list I will say is similar in structure but there are differences, characters are changed like Ben and Katie, there are different scenes that aren’t in the film, or retelling of events. But the elements of what made the show great are there, and it only continues through the series. But I’ll admit it does gradually get bigger and bigger to the point it sometimes feels like the books are jumping the shark while explaining itself to stay grounded. (Book 5 for instance), but I highly recommend it if you want more Reece! (Also sorry this is a comment on an old vid. Just found your channel)
I'm about to start book 5 and I can't imagine how you could jump the shark by going any bigger than what just happened in book 4. I mean, holy fuck, talk about upping the stakes.
Im reading the books right now and theres a surprising amount of changes in the show. Multiple major characters are very different people, and the way a lot of people on the List are murdered and in what order is changed around, in addition to a variety of smaller details.
Really great recommendation. Aside from some sloppy dialog now a handful of times and perhaps just a bit too much flashback/ ptsd stuff in some episodes, this was absolutely solid. I can't put my finger on what it is but the show reminds me a lot of the 2000s. You can definitely tell it's the same guy who made Shooter. This is a good thing of course.
There's two things that really jumped out at me in this show. For one, every time Pratt had that "confused-but-putting-the-pieces together" look I was physically incapable of not seeing the buffoon from Parks and Rec. It's not anyone's fault, but I could never get past it either. For another, this show had what I like to call Shock Delight. You know how shock humor gets a laugh because somebody is saying something horrible and you can't believe it? If you'll pardon the spoilers, this show has a corrupt old lady politician desperate to secure her legacy who experiments on people using an untested drug through the use of an Emergency Use Authorization and causes massive side effects, and at one point uses big tech to censor a reporter trying to expose her. This show is not subtle, and every time it would say something like this I would be unable to believe that they were being allowed to say it. They even reference China being what China is, which is something I did not expect Amazon to sign off on.
It is said that when you seek revenge, dig two graves. Well, what would the end be if the seeker of revenge already has nothing to lose? I think Terminal List is a good answer to that question.
I read the book before watching the show, and while there are several parts that are very different, overall it stays vary faithful to the original work. Can definitely recommend the book to anyone who enjoyed the series.
I also heavily think you should review Combat Obscura, it was a whole uncensored documentary on Afghanistan which the US government literally tried to shut down due to it exposing some dark stuff the soldiers did!
You should definitely read the books, it really shows the skill of Carrs writings. The show did depart drastically from the book in some parts but was still true to the core of the story and it's themes. There are also some things in the books that Amazon would never touch with a 1,000 ft pole (the decapitation of a muslim clergy leader who was secretly funding terrorists, specifically Al Queda) so some of the changes make sense. I definitely like the books more but the show is still excellent and I don't think it's departures from the book make the show worse. TLDR read the books (yes there are multiple, and the 7th is coming out may 2024) because they are SUPREME political/espionage action-thrillers!
Show is great. I've read the book, and I think the show is much better than the book. They made a lot of changes that were all big improvements over the novel.
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Mario really is a man of many talents, fighting thanos, soldier, a Dino trainer, a lego man and a plumber
He's the one you send to kill the fucking Donkey Kong...
And he’s a cowboy too
And obviously Andy
"When I die, I want my chain of command to lower me into my grave, so they can let me down one more time."
How I would describe the Terminal List's plot.
Damn.
Cool. Where's that from?
@@farahahmedkarim377It’s a rephrased meme that old “When I die, I want my friends to lower my casket so they can let me down one last time”
This show was something else. 👌 Anime protagonists should learn from him instead of debating morality over killing those who wronged them.
I appreciated how even though there were realistic people having the realistic hand-wringing moments about what was happening, at no point did their characters' principles get illogically compromised, not even Reece's when it's pretty clear that though he's doing it to evil people, he is unequivocally doing evil and is at peace with it.
I heard those guys terminalised are working on the new punisher series title welcome back Frank And since Marvel Studios are doing more adult content TVMA/R rated.
@@thant0s I don't really consider a reckoning evil.
@@Dunge0n And the beauty of it? That perspective isn't vilified, beyond the acceptance that the law is the law, and the main character is not legally absolved, still being a fugitive.
The orbiting characters, and even those closest to the main character, make their opinion on the matter known, but it doesn't preach at the audience in an attempt to tell them how they should feel about it.
We can have whateverthehell opinion we like without any punctuation from the writer, other than the completion of the list and the conspiracy coming to light. Doesn't attempt to make you feel bad for being 100% on board with the slaughter, or for believing the main character could have done more to expose the conspiracy and have the monsters responsible dragged through the legal system (though it's implied many are just too powerful and influential to be satisfyingly prosecuted, much less given the death penalty for the direct deaths of several servicemen).
you must not have been raised on Duke Togo aka Gogo13
Who doesn't enjoy watching cartel members getting gutted?
They're one of the few criminals I feel nothing but contempt for. There's no justification for the atrocities they commit.
@@GUILLE832 hell is an open book you just have to open it and those cartels did
Cartel members sure do, as long as it's not them or their side.
Peace-loving, wine-sipping, liberal dick suckers.
You can bet your ass I do. They sure are some sick fucks
Saw the whole thing - it's incredible !!
Reece goes from a broken, confused & betrayed soldier who was scapegoated and discarded like a tool to the very incarnation of the Grim Reaper himself for the corrupt.
Chris Pratt killed the role to the max.
The most refreshing thing about this show is how it's a story about vengeance but it never preaches about how "wrong" it is to seek vengeance or retribution and the "cycle of violence". Most stories dealing with these topics, for what seems like the past 15 years, devolves into "vengeance bad" or "violence bad" without any other differing point of view.
Critics reeeee'd it was a ''right wing vengeance fantasy'' for that very reason.
@@Dunge0n I'm not shocked that a bunch of limp-wristed pussies believes that violence is wrong. Side note, am I the only one that finds it funny that the majority of the show takes place in California?
Revenge good and based
@@Dunge0n oh so no revanchism or esoteric beliefs allowed. Got it
@@GigaChadh976 Agreed, sometimes there's overlap between justice and revenge, and that is based AF. 😁
i can't believe Mario was in Terminal list
Seeing the chubby doofus from “Parks and Rec” cutting the guts out of a cartel member was spectacular.
He was owed two candies
I know a lot of people give Amazon Prime shit for Rings of Power (which was bad, admittedly), but this show is one of the best shows to come out of the streaming service, along with Reacher and Jack Ryan.
They realized how badly they fucked up, and supposedly season 2 will be a reboot
@@tadpolegaming4510 supposedly but let's remain skeptical here.
Them and Netflix both randomly grab pure gold amid the fetid excrement they dig their hands into, sometimes. I also wonder how many of these incredible projects would even have been able to see the light of day if not for them, which is why, even considering the disgusting crap they pull, I'm yet to be on the side of "burn the both of them to the ground".
Figure if they tread water long enough, eventually they'll start cutting out the cancer cells perpetually sapping away profits, but that might be a bit too optimistic.
Amazon seems to nail action thrillers and fuck up on fantasy related adventure stories like wheel of time and off course…that absurd fucking show that considers itself to be part of the lord of the rings(rings of power is fanfic and I will forever consider it so)
As the critical drinker pointed out, Amazon seems to be a tale of two cities when it comes to adaptations. Military and espionage thriller adaptations are stellar, while fantasy adaptations by amazon are complete trash.
You did the first book justice, it also starts with the sniping scene
Binged this show with my dad in 1 day. It was pretty good. Chris was very believable in the role.
Same here, I was surprised by my dad finishing it in one sitting but I think it was the whole wife situation that pushed him to do it.
It's a solid show, I look forward to more of it and Chris Pratt showed he has some range.
Luigi was by far my favorite character in this series aside from Mario himself and he broke my heart, he broke my heart into a thousand pieces. Now I understand that Luigi's Mansions exist because Luigi wanted to be surrounded by lost souls shackled by regret just like himself. Wallowing in his eternal misery eventually gave life to Guigi, the manifestation of all his sins in a concentrated form. They say both of them continue sucking up those coins in the bowels of hell itself to this day which will probably be explored in
Luigi's Mansion 4: 30 Pieces of Silver.
For Chris Pratt coming from Parks and Recreation, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Jurassic Park he’s come a long way. This is the coldest and most hardcore character he’s ever played
Hearing ram ranch play just floored me
As a dude in the US Army who trained with EOD and Aussie SF for a bit, Alot of the terminology and tactics used in the tunnel firefight was on point. Avalanche or Landslide(Cant remember which) was a term they used that blew my bind when they said it.
the tasteful decision to put Ram Ranch as the intro elevates the video to an artistic masterpiece
I love how you put a Spec Ops: The Line soundtrack as you bring up "losing touch with reality".
If it's deliberate, props to you ;)
I binged this a while back as a method to help me stay awake to reset my internal clock. It was overall pretty gripping and I was impressed with Pratt's ability to subvert his typecasting. From what I recall, the harshest criticism I had was extremely minor, which had to do with some of the logistics of the mountain chase sequence late in the show. Otherwise, great action, great performances, compelling story that constantly had me guessing up to the very last moment, and a damn strong emotional core.
As for why it has a low critic score, you know the reason.
you're absolutely right about that punisher part , there was only two stories that had this disemboweling scene one was Berserk and the other was the punisher max the Slavers Arc
You know, it's been 3+ years since i've saw this channel and subbed. Glad to see you're keeping up good work, despite everything.
Ram Ranch 7 was my Jam for the 247th USMC birthday.
Ram Ranch is under Siege
Y'know, the more I watch your "Spec Ops: The Line vs ThE lAsT oF uS tWo" video, the more I think this is basically a mirror of Spec Ops The Line, or at the very least has a similar plot to it with similar characters:
• James Reece and Martin Walker both start out as confident military guys (a Navy SEAL and a Delta Force operative, respectively) ready to finish the mission and go home.
• Both stories tell about how fucked up war is and about how fucked up the government is.
• They both end in similar ways: Walker and Reece lose their friends and go insane, determined to find the characters who fucked them over (Konrad and the SecDef, respectively), but while Walker fails to physically kill Konrad cuz he killed himself before Walker even arrived (although you can choose to kill him), Reece succeeds in his mission, first killing an NCIS agent in his own bedroom, then finding a corporate VP and torturing him into getting what he wants before drugging him with a methadone cocktail, disemboweling the cartel leader who murdered his family and then forcing him to walk around a pipe, killing a man on the literal steps of his own building, then running from the military and blowing up his two commanders after drowning another one in the Pacific and finally murdering his way to the SecDef before she kills herself to avoid responsibility. Walker, meanwhile, either succeeds or fails in killing Konrad after so much bullshit happens to him. While Walker can choose to accept responsibility for his actions by shooting himself in the head or having Konrad cap him, Reece absolutely does NOT regret his actions, not cuz he's delusional but cuz he genuinely understands that these are truly horrible people who've done terrible things.
• Walker, at first, wants to be a hero but soon loses his shit, refusing to hold himself accountable for accidentally dropping Willy Pete on almost 50 civilians; after Lugo is lynched by civilians, Walker can choose to let them go or murder them in a fit of rage. Reece starts out as a hero with a happy family and a clean reputation, but he slowly loses his cool and eventually (in a way) disregards human life altogether, blatantly telling his friend Liz that he can't just stop to help anyone caught in the blast that fucks up Steve Horn and his men; eventually, he viciously guns down hordes of less-than-shit contractors who are "jUsT dOiNg ThEiR jObS" (which under almost no circumstances justifies killing people), smashing one guy in the face with a tomahawk and then putting a bullet in the last guy after he voluntarily drops his Glock and opens the safe room door for him.
• Walker, despite losing his shit and then becoming an active sadist, can choose to do honorable things, such as choosing civilians over a CIA agent and saving a man who simply wanted to feed his family and was so desperate to do so that a soldier had to step in and murder them all. He also tried to save Dubai but indirectly fucks over their water supply and then has the choice of shooting the fucker who was responsible or letting him burn alive. Meanwhile, Reece's actions are less than honorable; he shoots an NCIS agent in the head and then guns down hordes of contractors. To make it simple: both are absolute lunatics, but one can choose to do good things while the other is an absolute psycho by the end of his story.
• The game and show end in similar ways; like I mentioned above, Walker can either take accountability for his actions or refuse to accept it, and if he kills Konrad and then relinquishes his gun when the convoy shows up, he leaves and presumably returns home a broken soul who lost his mind. Meanwhile, Reece succeeds in fucking over the people who ruined his life, but unlike Walker who goes home a broken man or dies in a desperate attempt to redeem himself, Reece is able to accept his losses and move on with his life, satisfied that he could avenge them
Man I love to see all the content you've been putting out!
The thing I liked so much about Terminal List is that Reece isn’t always right morally or factually, be he is a righteous man, and is ultimately hunting down and exterminating evil. Its always nice to see shades of grey and complexity for both the good guys and bad guys.
I also really liked the psychological thriller elements that were added to the show, which were largely absent from the original novel.
What surprised me about this show was how good Chris Pratt’s brutal acting abilities were when he’s not acting in kid’s movies. Didn’t think he could fit but boy am I glad to be wrong.
He sold it perfectly
After the first episode I remember saying out loud, "damn Chris Pratt can really play a Navy SEAL, who would've thought." Then the next day I realized, oh no duh, he'd played a SEAL in Zero Dark Thirty ten years ago
"Critics" hate this series because it shows a man being masculine, strong, and resilient, who takes vengeance for his family. For the record, Reece disemboweled the sicario because he was the one who actually pulled the trigger on Reece's family.
Damn, Mario is badass
he came and killed bowser just like thatwith just a two tap
Man this show is peak perfection in storytelling which never holds your hands or directly talks to the audience as if they were stupid. That first episode does so much to set up the entire series than whatever trash media has lately been able to do. It’s also a perfect example between the disconnection of so called “professional” critics and the audience in its score.
Operator operating operationally opposed by opponent operators. I really liked the gaslighting arc in the first episode.
This review got me to watch the series and I was pleasantly surprised. Every episode got me excited for the next one, every target eliminated feels satisfying. Very nice, I say.
I like to think that comedic actor can be very good in portrait dramatic roles too!
Great video, Loli man!
To all those who wanted to know about the book. Season 1 of the Amazon series blends elements from the first four books, from what I've noticed. You'll see them once you've seen both the books and the show. I've come to appreciate elements from the series and the books, as both are great in their own right. I'd recommend watching the show first, then reading the books.
I've read all the books, minus the one coming out later this month, but haven't watched the show yet.
From what I saw here it looks like this covers mostly the first book with pieces of the others, but you mentioned it does more, so that's cool.
I was hoping maybe it would be one season per book, minus the second book with all the boat stuff. Seems a bit difficult to make into entertaining television I suppose.
Either way, I'm looking forward to checking this out after I finish that last book.
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Raife gets mentioned in the first season but doesn’t quite add the intrigue that the book had for it. It also didn’t have the section where Reeces family was killed by a drug cartel
@@GigaChadh976 yeah I've just finished the first few episodes and I don't like it.
I feel like they left out a lot in an attempt to streamline the story, or probably just to shorten it up for tv.
I don't know if they'll continue the series but hopefully it'll get better.
The action is cool, acting is good, all that is fine. Just missed the call with mangling the story
Just watched this recently. The best acting I've ever seen from Pratt. I really hope he continues to do more stuff like this.
Sometimes,
Bad men need to be put down.
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This show looks awesome I’ll have to check it out
I swear to god ur videos hit the perfect balance of vibe and info.
decided to watch this before you went full in on the spoilers and im glad i did. this was an action/drama done right and Pratt's performance was great. the ending was not what i was expecting, good mystery in the conspiracy
Just keep making videos about these films and shows, they are thrill inducing, I'm very engaged.
*It's Always Sunny theme* "Andy destroys the US government"
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Nobody pays attention to nor takes the critics seriously anymore. They’ve become a joke when they started giving movies higher scores just for being diverse and pandering to the radical left. Instead of the films merits. Which is how it should be done. And the majority of the audience didn’t enjoy.
And they give movies and shows that depict strong American men with morals, bad scores. In this case, The Terminal List. Which was loved by the audience. I watched the show back to back when it first came out. And honestly one of thee best show I’ve seen in the last 5 years
Would love to see Almighty Loli just make a list of series he'd like to recommend in different genres and mediums (like, Horror Manga, Revenge TV Shows, etc)
You answered why critics hate it, it's cause it's a better punisher than the Netflix punisher
Netflix punisher was terrible. The neanderthal actor is over-used
It's why I prefer the Thomas Jane performance of Frank Castle. A brutal vigilante, yet a serious, stoic action anti-hero who rarely yells. Jane is the closest portrayal of how The Punisher is depicted in the comics.
Loli you are a great critic keep doing live action stuff man 😁👍
Training Day is my favorite Fuqua film. Great action-thriller with a palpable sense of suspense and moral ambiguity.
So in this alternate timeline star Lord didn’t join the guardians of the Galaxy but instead become a black ops soldier.
Starlord is black now?
No, it's black-ops, but he's a Navy SEALs. Does that make it better.
knew this was gonna turn up eventually
Very satisfying thriller. Mostly very accurate to the book. The few changes from the book I could identify were actually improvements. Didn't love the second book and never read the third so not sure how it might go if the series progresses on Amazon. Season 1 is good ol revenge television though.
The third book was great. Much more local an for the most part taking place in Montana when compared to the globe trotting in the second. The fourth and fifth book are awesome.
Definitely read the rest of the books, the last one comes out this month.
I agree that the second one was a bit of a drag, but I promise it gets way better.
@@TheHatersarebad The fourth was my favorite. It read like one of the better seasons of 24.
@@jaffarebellion292 It's between books 1/3/4 for top book. The Devil's Hand is very reminiscent of early Mitch Rapp books with all the politician characters getting involved in dangerous activities.
Hearing Brigador OST in this hit all the happy chemicals
Dude, I freaking love Anton Fuqua! Olympus has Fallen, Tears of the Sun, and Shooter are some of my favorite films! I will definitely have to give this show a watch sometime!
Terminal List really highlights just how far Hollywood has fallen over the past 20 years. Honestly the show doesn't do anything special that we haven't seen before, but since everything else is woke feminist trash and the same shallow super hero bullshit that we've been bashed over the head with for nigh on 20 years it's practically gold by comparison. The adage, "what's old is new again" comes to mind. If this show came out as a movie in the late 80's or early 90's with films like Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Robo Cop, Terminator I think it'd be regarded as highly as those movies are today (at least by anyone older than 25 who remembers them). It has the same type of spirit. The same goes for Reacher (the one with Alan Ritchson).
Terminal List has the "perfect ratio" on Rotten Tomatoes because of extremely gay sociopolitical reasons. Positive audience score because.. well, it's actually "good TV" if you're onboard for its kind of revenge. Negative critic score because there are a myriad of people with an axe to grind with Pratt's religious and political views, as well as *anything* glorifying any aspect of the military, along with the reveal of what really was the catalyst for everything that went wrong in the story.
If anything it's an endorsement, though it is far and away not perfect. I'm onboard with the flashbacks, but there were stretches where they were *really* ploddingly drawn out. Still gripped me for an entire impromptu binge watch I was not expecting.
I stopped watching at the spoiler warning 10 months ago. Now after watching it very slowly due to life getting involved, i gotta say this show really struck a chord. Very good watch, even over the course of 10 months. Good recommendation
I’m so glad you brought up the comparison with Netflix Punisher because that’s how it felt to me very quickly when I watched Terminal List, the latter was so much better than the former. Netflix Punisher felt woefully unnecessary with how it wasted its time with the “oh the military did it the whole time” shtick. And the build up for seeing Frank go do full blown punishing after Daredevil season 2 left off with him fully donning the skull? Nope, completely shelved within the first 2 minutes of episode one (we got robbed I tell you). Whereas Terminal List had basically the same setup, but it worked because it used that plot setup and built it up from the start instead of piggybacking off of something else that had nothing to do with it, on top of the fact it was paced much better and was not nearly as much of a snore fest.
This point only really CLICKED with me on my third replay of the series[SPOILER];
Why all the weird hallucinogenic editing involving his family's memory? Why does it keep showing the whole "bird hit window" moment as something that's extremely fragmented and very dreamlike? Because the experimental drug is actually doing it's job. The drug works by blocking out if, not aggressively obfuscates, memories with strong, stressful or negative emotional attachment/association.
So what does that say about James Reece? That for him, the most unforgettably frightening moment in his life is not the physical risk that comes with his job, nor his capabilities for efficient, cold violence...it's the realization that he has to confront his wife and daughter about those.--The reason the whole "bird hit window" scene kinds of always cut off seemingly in a very specific part is because that very specific point is where it dawned on him that he, somehow, have to walk them through his experiences, his mindset, and his expectation towards his job's risks, in faint hope of put them at ease. And at that moment he felt overwhelmed.
The moment we could finally see the rest of that scene is actually the indication that he's finally able to make peace with that for himself. Therefore, the drug no longer attempts to "block" that memory out.
Also goddamn; Chris Pratt and Taylor Kitsch's journey and bro-chemistry reminds me of Y0 Kiryu and Nishiki.
Holy shit...how did I not realize that. That's actually brilliant.
It could also explain why he keeps on thinking that one of the local YPG guys panicked instead of one of his fellow SEALs. The drug is editing his memories so that it shows him something he wants to see.
@@echelon1020 yeah, so in a way, that's one additional layer of tragedy; the drug COULD be useful and successful. But company and government fast-tracking (human tests; they didn't even start with just one) pretty much set the whole thing in flames.
Good review, dude. I’ll definitely check out this show. Also, rip Kevin conroy. He was only 66, so it seemed really sudden.
Haven't heard of the show before, looks cool straight to the list with this one
19:24 The way you bring up vengeance is exactly how it works.
It's not about what you *gain* it's about what your enemies *lose!*
the show accurately shows leadership and suits as out for themselves. coming from a veteran.
I know some other guy who Capstone gave a brain tumor to -- Civvie 11. It all makes sence now...
Capstone?... CAPSTONE!!!!
Capstone. The pinnacle of Its always fucking something. -Civvie
I fully believe Critical Drinker's theory on why "professional reviewers" give it such a low score: It's a show about men being men. A simple, "You wronged me. I'm coming for you." No pushing progressive ideals, that would make no sense being in this kind of show. Plus, it's star, Chris Pratt has been the target of being called an "evil alt righter" because he attends Church and is most likely conservative.
The show was what introduced me to the books (which I’ve read them all and even have a signed edition). The book of terminal list I will say is similar in structure but there are differences, characters are changed like Ben and Katie, there are different scenes that aren’t in the film, or retelling of events. But the elements of what made the show great are there, and it only continues through the series. But I’ll admit it does gradually get bigger and bigger to the point it sometimes feels like the books are jumping the shark while explaining itself to stay grounded. (Book 5 for instance), but I highly recommend it if you want more Reece! (Also sorry this is a comment on an old vid. Just found your channel)
I'm about to start book 5 and I can't imagine how you could jump the shark by going any bigger than what just happened in book 4. I mean, holy fuck, talk about upping the stakes.
@@travelingspartan2035 oh just keep going. Trust me, it gets bigger
13:15 - Jacob Ladder have the same plot ...!! That was a great movi btw!!
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1:42 also Shooter by Steven Hunter.
Analyzing evil: Captain Martin Walker from SpecOps the line.
Im reading the books right now and theres a surprising amount of changes in the show. Multiple major characters are very different people, and the way a lot of people on the List are murdered and in what order is changed around, in addition to a variety of smaller details.
Mini series? I don't think so. Fairly certain that it got the green light to do a second season
Is it just me, or does Chris Pratt look more like Joel than Pedro Pascal?
you should make a review on generation kill
Stay frosty
He did, youtube deleted it.
Alright I'm sold, I'll be back in 8 hours. 👍
Thanks for the recommendation, Loli.
Really great recommendation.
Aside from some sloppy dialog now a handful of times and perhaps just a bit too much flashback/ ptsd stuff in some episodes, this was absolutely solid.
I can't put my finger on what it is but the show reminds me a lot of the 2000s. You can definitely tell it's the same guy who made Shooter. This is a good thing of course.
There's two things that really jumped out at me in this show.
For one, every time Pratt had that "confused-but-putting-the-pieces together" look I was physically incapable of not seeing the buffoon from Parks and Rec. It's not anyone's fault, but I could never get past it either.
For another, this show had what I like to call Shock Delight. You know how shock humor gets a laugh because somebody is saying something horrible and you can't believe it? If you'll pardon the spoilers, this show has a corrupt old lady politician desperate to secure her legacy who experiments on people using an untested drug through the use of an Emergency Use Authorization and causes massive side effects, and at one point uses big tech to censor a reporter trying to expose her. This show is not subtle, and every time it would say something like this I would be unable to believe that they were being allowed to say it. They even reference China being what China is, which is something I did not expect Amazon to sign off on.
Havana smooth, good shit
This series was AWESOME. yo crimson, if you're out there buddy you have to check this out.
I loved the part where Mario said “it’s terminal time” and listed all the bad guys to the ground
Great vid bro.😺
Holy crap I just binge watch this because I was sick. I was blown away how good it was.
Could you cover person of interest at some point? Bit of a long series tbh
Show is only rated "mid" critics score wise, i generally ignore that. Audience score is where its at.
The show switches how some people die and in the book it goes in to a lot more detail about greed and why they did this to the SEALs
It is said that when you seek revenge, dig two graves. Well, what would the end be if the seeker of revenge already has nothing to lose? I think Terminal List is a good answer to that question.
Watched it when it came out, pretty good.
I read the book before watching the show, and while there are several parts that are very different, overall it stays vary faithful to the original work. Can definitely recommend the book to anyone who enjoyed the series.
Is that mask from COD Ghost?
Do Vinland saga or kingdom mangas
Watched it twice when it came out, will now watch a third time.
Pratt did such a good job in the role i didnt even realize it was chris pratt
7:15 Phillip Graves.... got quite the nerve showing up here after what you did in Mexico...
“Your men have been…” *sucks teeth* *hocks a loogie* *scratches nuts* *licks Cheeto dust off fingers* *takes Hit of zaza* “…Detained.”
Hey are you ever gonna cover Legacy of Kain like you did Berserk. That'd be dope
I also heavily think you should review Combat Obscura, it was a whole uncensored documentary on Afghanistan which the US government literally tried to shut down due to it exposing some dark stuff the soldiers did!
Its one of my favorite shows honestly
Fun fact, the sig226 mk25 is standard issue but guys can use whatever they want. I hear most prefer to run glocks.
The show is good(maybe because I watched it all in one day) it's just that the episodes kinda drag a lil, not much of a binge watch imo
You should definitely read the books, it really shows the skill of Carrs writings. The show did depart drastically from the book in some parts but was still true to the core of the story and it's themes. There are also some things in the books that Amazon would never touch with a 1,000 ft pole (the decapitation of a muslim clergy leader who was secretly funding terrorists, specifically Al Queda) so some of the changes make sense. I definitely like the books more but the show is still excellent and I don't think it's departures from the book make the show worse. TLDR read the books (yes there are multiple, and the 7th is coming out may 2024) because they are SUPREME political/espionage action-thrillers!
Guess what buddy, you're on my list and its terminal
Show is great. I've read the book, and I think the show is much better than the book. They made a lot of changes that were all big improvements over the novel.
This is the lost Mario game.
Can you make a video or tier list about agent orange type of shit
Honestly one of the better shows in these last few years, i enjoyed it very much.