@@marriedwithsmallengines Unfortunately, the cylinder was kind of scored and bad crank seal, it could be that overheating caused the crank seal to leak or the leak caused too lean A/F ratio which caused overheating..
@@NicolasSANTOS-u2b Today's chainsaws are running very close to the edge of their performance envelope with 50:1 fuel-air mixtures. This is to 'save the environment', my dealer tells me. My older saws are running on 32:1 mixtures, are therefore well-lubricated, and are pretty much indestructible. My oldest saw is an early 1970s Homelite XL-12 and no matter how hard I work it I can't break it. Today's saws are lighter and probably burn a tiny bit less fuel, but are meant to be somewhat disposable.
Wow! I've never seen such a filthy fuel tank! Yet the carb was clean as a whistle. That just shows the importance of the clunk filter in the tank. Great diagnostics!
I tell people time and time again. The best thing you can get for saving you problems with a saw is a paint brush. Use it to clean around the caps when you fuel/oil up so stuff doesn't get into the tanks.
It's been many years ago that I worked in a small engine shop, but I remember having to try to convince many people that it was not cost effective to fix their Poulan Wild Things!!! 😁
Wow! Thank un,Erica. I realized that i dont know nearly as much as i thought.This mechanic was schooled by an awesome technician.Gosh, im humbled. Thanks for the knowledge.
So, put every part in a box and ship it to me. I'll pay for the shipping. It seems such a waste just using it for parts especially since it's all diagnosed. You can easily get another 15 years out of it. Also, thanks for supporting "The Greasy Shop Rag", I have one of his stands too and it makes a difference.
DO YOU SELL REBIULDABLE CHAINSAW FOR THE GEARHEAR THAT HAS NO PROBLEM TEARING DOWN A CHAINSAE REPLACING THE BEARINGS AND SEALS REBILDING THE CARBURETOR, RAPLACING THE RINGS, PISTON, CLINDER
Thank you for posting this excellent video! I enjoyed watching it. You have really superb diagnostic skills and years of experience. You also have a great tool collection. I like the carburetor stands.
Erica- I just rewatched this video and the racing go carts intrigue me! Is there any link as to rules? Looks like a hoot and winter racing would be even more exciting 😊. Thanks for your input!
I'd like an overview for these racing mowers. Just some high level stuff. Like what is the displacement limit? What are the engine modification limitations? Same goes for the transmission side. Is there a ratio limit, or pulley limits? What about brakes?
Nice Video as always.Step by Step you figured out whats going wrong. This ist the right way. its the choice of the owner not to repair that thing, and you can sell a new one.Thats your busines! In Germany you can get an MS251 for 500Euro, thats the cheapest price you can get.The normal Price is 669 Euro Thanks for the entertainment, i like it. Have a good week.
I'd be cautious about putting the camera in the tank unless you know the lens will be unaffected by fuel, could end up with a foggy lens. Also depending on where the light source is located (lens end or camera end) you could be putting an electrical item into an explosive atmosphere.
STIHL has some that has a blue hue but the most blue one I have seen is that crappy one in the pouch Opti-2 or whatever. The one that is supposed to work for 40:1 and 50:1
Great videos Erica, I'm learning a lot watching your videos. Getting more confident in my ability to troubleshoot small engines. I have a husqvarna in my shop that my neighbor gave me and, after watching all your videos, I'm eager to shake the dust off of it and get it running again. How long have you been doing this?
I love the chainsaws, but in my life I bought a snwoblower and it came in box dissasembled. Yikes! 5 cables I don't know how to hook up even though I've read the manual thoroughly and looked at the corresponding figures. So, I'll be calling technical support. Need to see a snowblower video, lol.
Just out of curiosity, did the customer have to pay for the diagnosis? If so, how much more would the seal replacement have been, since the saw was already torn down? I guess I’m asking, how much would the repair have cost vs. $450 CA for a replacement. FYI, the MS250 is my saw. Mine is 11 years old and still runs like a champ. Drains the bar oil out on the workbench, but runs great.
It's amazing how people get dirt in their fuel tanks. Whether it's from filling in the woods and not being careful or having a dirt problem in the fuel can or fuel source. Yup, with that much wrong with it, best to buy a new one. I'm sure you had to charge him a diagnostic fee but you did have to tear it down to find the issue. John from MI
do you share with your customers the video featuring their saw? This one is wild... did the cap come off in the woods somewhere and just threw it back in place?
I was looking all up and down these comments for the answer to do you get paid for that well executed diagnosis. I could see how the customer might stiff you for a good hour of your day. Please comment! Thanks for the video!
But you could fix that saw, for less than $50 and sell it as is no warranty for $150 or $200 bucks and the customer could come out ahead that you sold it to, and you could make some money, that is if the customer that currently owns the saw will donate it to you no charge.
All my chain saw is factory rebuilt now I do look for old saw that are still able to run, why the old ones are made with a different kind of metal they will last and have last longer than any new saw
That's normal to have that much dirt on 'air' side of the carb?!? I'm surprised the customer didn't go for the replacement crank seal and just have the saw as a backup...
They‘re an excellent value saw with great power to weight ratio. The fact that they‘re still available for sale is a testament to how good of a saw it is.
They are hard to pull over. They should've had a decompressor. If you're strong and don't mind pulling over a saw that's hard to pull, they seem to be a good saw. Mine has pretty good power, but it is hard to pull over. God bless you!
Stihl sells (2) different seals for the MS250, one style you do NOT disassemble the clamshell, just press in (9638 003 1581 vs 9639 003 1585). About $12 USD each versus the style that requires engine disassembly at $6 each.. Wonder if that would have made a more affordable repair. I did that once on an MS390. Cheap repair hours-wise.
In my opinion the seals that can be pressed the case without having to split the case is a waste of money and time. They are not as durable as the original seals that come from the factory. I see OEM seals that are 25 years old and still work. 😮
Your absolutely right. One of our head guys at Stihl here in Canada told us during a training session....no. If I don't feel good about the repair or have confidence in it, I just don't offer it. Plain and simple.
MS250's are discontinued in Australia and has been replaced with MS251 for AU$999.00 each. Or that is CA$920.16. You can buy two over there for the price of one here.
I wonder if your customers watch the video of their saw repair - and what they say about your findings as you perform the repair... How did all that crap get inside my fuel tank?!
To me that fuel looked like windscreen washer fluid. The colour and the way it behaved, and it kind of smell a bit like gasoline. That is also why the top of the piston was completely free of sooth. Dump the old fuel out and new fuel in, and you have a runner.
Good informative video! Where’s your shop located? I’ve been doing some land clearing work in the Halliburton and Barry’s Bay Area and it would be nice to know where a good shop is. I’m from Quebec so I’m not familiar with the area
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@@marriedwithsmallengines Unfortunately, the cylinder was kind of scored and bad crank seal, it could be that overheating caused the crank seal to leak or the leak caused too lean A/F ratio which caused overheating..
could you explain how a chainsaw can overheat please?
@@NicolasSANTOS-u2b
If the engine is running on lean mixture under load it well be a BBQ party.
@@NicolasSANTOS-u2b Today's chainsaws are running very close to the edge of their performance envelope with 50:1 fuel-air mixtures. This is to 'save the environment', my dealer tells me. My older saws are running on 32:1 mixtures, are therefore well-lubricated, and are pretty much indestructible. My oldest saw is an early 1970s Homelite XL-12 and no matter how hard I work it I can't break it.
Today's saws are lighter and probably burn a tiny bit less fuel, but are meant to be somewhat disposable.
Great video,thumbs up, agreed buying a new saw is the better choice, but finding all the issues and listing them is great, it did earn its retirement
Wow! I've never seen such a filthy fuel tank! Yet the carb was clean as a whistle. That just shows the importance of the clunk filter in the tank. Great diagnostics!
I tell people time and time again. The best thing you can get for saving you problems with a saw is a paint brush. Use it to clean around the caps when you fuel/oil up so stuff doesn't get into the tanks.
That's not rubbish on the floor Adam, those are a selection of gems!😉
You’re quite thorough, great job and video! 👍👍
Good job....Very informative....Thanks.....
I bought the carb tool because of your videos. Best money I've spent in a while for a specialty tool.
It's been many years ago that I worked in a small engine shop, but I remember having to try to convince many people that it was not cost effective to fix their Poulan Wild Things!!! 😁
I always have a old paint brush in my tool bag. Brush off all the dirt around the fuel cap before opening up. Oil fill as well.
I do the same
Another excellent diagnostic workup Erica. Thanks for doing such a great job on these videos.
I've never seen a carburetor stand before. Looks handy, I think I'm going to make one for myself.
The Greasy shop rag has one……He’s good too!💪💪💥🤘🤘
That is an impressive diagnosis. Thank you for sharing the information with us.
WoooHooo! The greasy shop rag carb stand! Lets Gooooo! Like they said in the good old days " Now your cooking with gas".
Coffee time, Thanks for great content. One day I gotta buy a Stihl. 😂.
Thank you!!! You are so good to me!!
Another awesome video Erica!!! I enjoy watching them. Thanks ❤️
Amazing work & a 5* video tutorial/insight.. thanks you for all you do helping & educating us.. Blessings from England👌.
Wow! Thank un,Erica. I realized that i dont know nearly as much as i thought.This mechanic was schooled by an awesome technician.Gosh, im humbled. Thanks for the knowledge.
Love those low riding racing mowers The fun Job ahead of you to me is the Cub cadet blower dirt in the gas tank 😮
Appreciate your thorough diagnosis ma'am♥ Enjoyed watching☺
I’d like to buy that nice broke ms250. They are great saws
Love the mower racing!
So, put every part in a box and ship it to me. I'll pay for the shipping. It seems such a waste just using it for parts especially since it's all diagnosed. You can easily get another 15 years out of it. Also, thanks for supporting "The Greasy Shop Rag", I have one of his stands too and it makes a difference.
I’ve saved worse!
DO YOU SELL REBIULDABLE CHAINSAW FOR THE GEARHEAR THAT HAS NO PROBLEM TEARING DOWN A CHAINSAE REPLACING THE BEARINGS AND SEALS REBILDING THE CARBURETOR, RAPLACING THE RINGS, PISTON, CLINDER
Another great video.
Glad to see the carb stand worked with the carriage bolts for this carb.
Great video.
Thank you for posting this excellent video! I enjoyed watching it. You have really superb diagnostic skills and years of experience. You also have a great tool collection. I like the carburetor stands.
Awesome video!! Thank you ma'am!
Good morning 🌞
Good morning!
I think my ms250 is from 2002. There is a label with this year on it. Runs still good.
She eased in on the dogging but she got it in! Makes me feel at home
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Erica- I just rewatched this video and the racing go carts intrigue me! Is there any link as to rules? Looks like a hoot and winter racing would be even more exciting 😊. Thanks for your input!
You can look at the Grass Hogs Lawn Mower Racing website! They are located in Eastern Ontario.
I'd like an overview for these racing mowers. Just some high level stuff. Like what is the displacement limit? What are the engine modification limitations? Same goes for the transmission side. Is there a ratio limit, or pulley limits? What about brakes?
Racing lawn tractors is awesome! 😎
Great troubleshooting video! Can the crank seal be replaced without separating the cylinder jug from the engine base? Thanks
Yes it can, there are 2 different Versions for that, you have to pick the right one.
@@Allesschrauberhow much work is it to replace both seals?
Thanks and God bless you!
Nice touch with the bagpipes to commemorate the end of an old friend!
Nice video, interesting teardown.
Nice Video as always.Step by Step you figured out whats going wrong. This ist the right way.
its the choice of the owner not to repair that thing, and you can sell a new one.Thats your busines!
In Germany you can get an MS251 for 500Euro, thats the cheapest price you can get.The normal Price is 669 Euro
Thanks for the entertainment, i like it.
Have a good week.
Would you also check the intake boot
What a good informative video, nice job.
Great video, I look at this in the context of dollars and sense. If it cost too many dollars, it doesn't make sense!
Awesome video, great work. Thank you Erica
Running Lean: could you richen the carb with a screw adjustment to correct lean condition temporarily.
I'd be cautious about putting the camera in the tank unless you know the lens will be unaffected by fuel, could end up with a foggy lens. Also depending on where the light source is located (lens end or camera end) you could be putting an electrical item into an explosive atmosphere.
As long as you let it air out real good I've never had a problem doing that
Why is all of your fuel blue? What brand of oil mix do you use for it to be blue when mixed? No big deal just curious from down here in Geogia, USA.
stihl 2 stroke oil is blue.
STIHL has some that has a blue hue but the most blue one I have seen is that crappy one in the pouch Opti-2 or whatever. The one that is supposed to work for 40:1 and 50:1
@@blakegrubb3091. I have heard from multiple saw builders that opti-2 is fine oil…….guess it’s in the mixing, fuel, and tune?
What kind of motors are in those carts, They sound good.
Great videos Erica, I'm learning a lot watching your videos. Getting more confident in my ability to troubleshoot small engines. I have a husqvarna in my shop that my neighbor gave me and, after watching all your videos, I'm eager to shake the dust off of it and get it running again. How long have you been doing this?
Only good thing about buying the vacuum tester from Stihl is it comes with some block off plates
Going to GYM, will watch after...
Cheers from Croatia!!
Would a bad impulse line show up in your leakage test?
Yes, if there's a leak it will show.
Do you have a vent line for ms 250
Nice video. Hey could u leave a link for the Crystal Ball I'd love to have one too. How much are they mate Erica???
The Tub of water never lies, and it's quite refreshing!!
I love the chainsaws, but in my life I bought a snwoblower and it came in box dissasembled. Yikes! 5 cables I don't know how to hook up even though I've read the manual thoroughly and looked at the corresponding figures. So, I'll be calling technical support. Need to see a snowblower video, lol.
Just out of curiosity, did the customer have to pay for the diagnosis? If so, how much more would the seal replacement have been, since the saw was already torn down? I guess I’m asking, how much would the repair have cost vs. $450 CA for a replacement. FYI, the MS250 is my saw. Mine is 11 years old and still runs like a champ. Drains the bar oil out on the workbench, but runs great.
I'd like to know that too.
God bless you all!
Hi Erica. Enjoyed you video 👍
When you get that crystal ball, can I borrow it to see when I’m gonna get my MS361 back from the shop? Lol
Did you drop out of race for mechanical issues or was that a test and tune. You were running in 3rd position.
It's amazing how people get dirt in their fuel tanks. Whether it's from filling in the woods and not being careful or having a dirt problem in the fuel can or fuel source. Yup, with that much wrong with it, best to buy a new one. I'm sure you had to charge him a diagnostic fee but you did have to tear it down to find the issue. John from MI
Thats what fuel filters are for fella
This video is awesome lawnmower racing and you thinking of a new use for the camera was amazing.
Excellent content,enjoyed your video
good morning from the UK. do you do any service/repairs on pole saws or kombi units ?? great videos
Just when you think the liquid is done flowing, give it a little shake to finish it off!
Looks like he has fuel contaminating his dirt tank.
Nice Diagnosis and off Too The Train Station That Poor Lost Soul of An MS-250 Goes 😩😩😭😭😭😭 Erica 😇
Hi Erica, would it have been that expensive to repair? Just wondering..new saw is nice tho! 🇦🇺🍺🍺
I'd like to know that too.
God bless you all!
WHAT WEBSITE DO YOU ORDER YOUR PARTS AN TOOLS FROM.THANKS
All my Stihl parts and tools come from Stihl.
You can buy all of these tools from any Stihl dealer.
do you share with your customers the video featuring their saw? This one is wild... did the cap come off in the woods somewhere and just threw it back in place?
I do hope he buys a Stihl from you😊
I was looking all up and down these comments for the answer to do you get paid for that well executed diagnosis. I could see how the customer might stiff you for a good hour of your day. Please comment! Thanks for the video!
I charged a basic bench fee for this diagnosis and typically we charge it up front.
But you could fix that saw, for less than $50 and sell it as is no warranty for $150 or $200 bucks and the customer could come out ahead that you sold it to, and you could make some money, that is if the customer that currently owns the saw will donate it to you no charge.
All my chain saw is factory rebuilt now I do look for old saw that are still able to run, why the old ones are made with a different kind of metal they will last and have last longer than any new saw
Can you do backpack blower
28:00 that’s not the seal of approval
That's normal to have that much dirt on 'air' side of the carb?!?
I'm surprised the customer didn't go for the replacement crank seal and just have the saw as a backup...
У меня такая же есть пила
I've found some mufflers are not perfectly flat and don't seal with the rubber sheet. I need to make some block off plates!
another great video , don't bury that saw in the graveyard , send it to me , i;ll pay the shipping to central NY , LET ME KNOW
I’m surprised you aren’t checking the screens in carbs all day we these dirty gas tanks. I guess the fuel filter catches a lot of that stuff.
I do check the screen and I show it. It's clean.
@@marriedwithsmallengines yea I just made it to that part of the video lol. Was a mid video comment
Looked like a chicken foot. 😂. You know that bar oil tank is full of crud too.
Is this your bread and butter desert Island saw or would you pick a different stihl model?
They‘re an excellent value saw with great power to weight ratio. The fact that they‘re still available for sale is a testament to how good of a saw it is.
They are hard to pull over. They should've had a decompressor.
If you're strong and don't mind pulling over a saw that's hard to pull, they seem to be a good saw. Mine has pretty good power, but it is hard to pull over.
God bless you!
Off to the train station
Stihl sells (2) different seals for the MS250, one style you do NOT disassemble the clamshell, just press in (9638 003 1581 vs 9639 003 1585). About $12 USD each versus the style that requires engine disassembly at $6 each.. Wonder if that would have made a more affordable repair. I did that once on an MS390. Cheap repair hours-wise.
In my opinion the seals that can be pressed the case without having to split the case is a waste of money and time. They are not as durable as the original seals that come from the factory. I see OEM seals that are 25 years old and still work. 😮
Your absolutely right. One of our head guys at Stihl here in Canada told us during a training session....no. If I don't feel good about the repair or have confidence in it, I just don't offer it. Plain and simple.
Good to know! I always re-seal the whole clamshell! Don’t need a callback!
As I remember it, 1 set has only 1 lip & the other has 2.
Let me know where your dumpster at
These users must know they have dirt in there you would see it every time you fill it up😂😂
I'm sorry but how do people let their tools get so dirty? If I spend 5 to 6 hundred on one tool I'm going to treat that thing like a child
Them tractors dont sound like Kohlers or Onans lol
Those are mostly Briggs Vanguards..but Cub Cadet #90 has a Kohler
MS250's are discontinued in Australia and has been replaced with MS251 for AU$999.00 each. Or that is CA$920.16. You can buy two over there for the price of one here.
There 450 here
In the U.S
One place was advertising them for $349 after rebate
Sorry, that was US
Perhaps he is trying to run it on solid fuel.
Fifty bucks US and I will split the UPS😎
You should fix it and sell it yourself
Do you sell racing riders?
We don’t sell racing mowers
Intake manifold
We always say a saw that needs work is a $50 saw all day, especially above 50cc's. Curious, did you bill him 1 hour?
To the Train Station!!
Man im so sad i cant buy a 250. They sell "250"s but they are poor chinese copies.
I hope you got paid something for your time because you sure had quite a bit of time invested to find out what was wrong with it.
I wonder if your customers watch the video of their saw repair - and what they say about your findings as you perform the repair...
How did all that crap get inside my fuel tank?!
Gas can with no cap. Just the open spout .
To me that fuel looked like windscreen washer fluid. The colour and the way it behaved, and it kind of smell a bit like gasoline. That is also why the top of the piston was completely free of sooth.
Dump the old fuel out and new fuel in, and you have a runner.
I use Amsoil Sabre, it's that color. Nice oil too.
Good informative video! Where’s your shop located? I’ve been doing some land clearing work in the Halliburton and Barry’s Bay Area and it would be nice to know where a good shop is. I’m from Quebec so I’m not familiar with the area