Trans Bodies In Historical Costume - Choosing Styles & Historical Accuracy (Pride in Costume 22)

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  • Опубликовано: 22 ноя 2024

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  • @Mongoly8
    @Mongoly8 2 года назад +21

    Describing gender as "not a woman but a monster, a werewolf, or a cat" sometimes it just be like that. While I do identify as a woman this statement is a lovely reminder that no mater ones gender identity there is always more to it than just a single word.

  • @mxheathcliff
    @mxheathcliff 2 года назад +8

    The body policing has to stop. It's such a barrier to access! I think more people would be interested in trying out historical costuming or historybounding if there wasn't such a culture of replicating certain "historical proportions". Almost every time I go to make something, I have to worry about making the choice whether to try to make a pattern fit my body or whether to make myself fit the pattern, and it just brings up so many body issues and dysphoria! Sometimes "just pad" is actually the worst advice you can give to a trans/nonbinary person, and I'm so glad you've spoken up about that.

  • @thehumblespinster
    @thehumblespinster 2 года назад +17

    thank you for making this video. as a very feminine non binary amab who is struggling to get into her style and struggling with making my own clothing, it means a lot to see someone, even though they are very different from me also going through some of the same experiences and feeling. xx

  • @jackiejames4551
    @jackiejames4551 2 года назад +20

    Thank you for being so honest about how you feel. Not many people would be willing to put themselves out there like that. I always enjoy seeing what you wear, no matter what it is. I hope you can continue to be your genuine self, because I think you are amazing.

  • @deborahwager5883
    @deborahwager5883 2 года назад +15

    This is super helpful! I'm currently sewing for a trans woman who is at the beginning of the journey of trying to figure out what she wants her wardrobe to look like. I really like the idea of creating a board of looks and finding trends. I'll definitely read the book you recommended, too.

  • @corasgrove3474
    @corasgrove3474 2 года назад +10

    Thanks for bringing up there is a classist aspect to vintage fashion. I've tried to find other people speaking about it but failed. I really like 1920s clothes but struggle to wear them in normal life because I don't like the classist perception it can give. Still trying to figure out the right balance. I'm a cis woman but a lot of what you said about masculine/feminine clothing resonated as my style is somewhere in the middle trying to blend the two. Which is why the 1920s appeals.

  • @InThisEssayIWill...
    @InThisEssayIWill... 2 года назад +12

    Elder millennial here.. I identify as someone who "would be non-binary if I was 12 today but feels it would be a shame to waste those 18 years of social conditioning to present female".
    As someone on the autism spectrum.. like... Man I had to work so hard to learn all those rules and I just can't quite stomach the thought of throwing them all out the window, add to that a whole lot of internalized misogyny that I'm still unpacking to this day and I just feel like it's easier to ignore gender most days.
    I did my best to rebel and bend what rules I could to be comfortable but ultimately it just felt like the world I grew up in wasn't shaped in a way that I could ever be. (Add a strict religious setting on top of the 90's/00's cultural hodge podge)
    I'm so grateful and excited to see the world that the youth today get to grow up in. It makes my heart happy to think that there's a weird little girl out there like me, getting the diagnosis they deserve with the access to a wealth of knowledge about other people like them and examples like you.
    It was so lonely sometimes and I retrospectively want to thank you for sharing your perspective.
    Much love from across the pond 💚

    • @draconra
      @draconra 2 года назад +4

      I’m Gen X and probably also on the autism spectrum.
      For the longest time, I fought to unpack what I believed to be internalized misogyny. It made me miserable and I felt like a bad person because of it.
      But at age 38, I realized I am non-binary and a lot of the discomfort doesn’t come from misogyny, but dysphoria.
      I am now much more at ease with myself and stuff that is perceived as feminine, since I can just accept that is not for me and that doesn’t make me a bad person.

    • @InThisEssayIWill...
      @InThisEssayIWill... 2 года назад +3

      @@draconra my issues with femininity mostly stem from the outward pressure and perceptions placed on me when I present that way not so much internal feelings. I HATED the thought that people would treat me as less than when I was literally doing the thing they were telling me to do. I very quickly became disillusioned to the fact that I was going to be treated poorly one way or the other. Conform, cool we'll treat you like a stupid girl. Don't confirm, cool we'll treat you like a freakish outcast. It was a no win scenario. Much like Ash I simply don't have the figure to pull off androgyny so it's always pretty clear what kind of flesh prison I'm stuck in. I literally refused to wear skirts or dresses for nearly a decade.(which was a big deal in my parents super conservative church)
      My parents loved me but were I'll equipped to deal. I honestly attribute most of my childhood trauma to religion and the constraints it placed on my growth and exploration.

    • @draconra
      @draconra 2 года назад +2

      @@InThisEssayIWill... Yeah, similar position as I am well aware, people will always perceive my curvy body as “female”. Which sucks.
      But I am lucky that I don’t come from a religious background and there was very little pressure to look more feminine and I dialed that down a lot over the last few years.
      And being more comfortable in my skin is worth the occasional look, for being a weird, ugly “woman” who doesn’t dress or look right.
      I was always too weird for most people anyhow, so I made my peace with it and just try to be myself.
      I’m sorry you had to go through so much trauma and I wish for you to find your own peace of mind.

    • @mx.noname4710
      @mx.noname4710 2 года назад

      hello you are an absolute Mood. Currently I'm feeling the "I already learned one set of rules and now I have to learn a whole new set to pass?? you've gotta be kidding me" sort of thing. Thank you :)

  • @astitchatatime8195
    @astitchatatime8195 2 года назад +9

    I mean I love the textures and colours of dark academy and cottage core but OH BOY do the aesthetics feel to me like a costume when I wear it. I love it for special occasions (like say if there is a fancy event and I wanna wear a suit I'd love it to be tweed) but for everyday life I prefer to come across as fem lad art student who just learned the basics of colour theory and wants everyone to know that by way of their self expression.
    Let's show more of that aesthetic diversity in the costume community and, more importantly let's all recognise people like Vico Ortiz & James Acaster for the fashion icons they so obviously are!!!

  • @azteclady
    @azteclady 2 года назад +10

    I'm cis, employed, earn enough to keep myself and two cats housed and fed. I dress, most of the time, like a trash panda. The policing of "appropriate" clothing has haunted me most of my life.
    "saying it's all padding and support garments does not make it okay" --it's worth noting that a lot of the people using this excuse to go on ENDLESSLY about the "correct" silhouette for whatever the time period, are very much also going on about how current (fast) fashion and today's emphasis on "impossible standards of beauty" are bad--for individuals, for society, for the planet. How they don't make the leap to, "it was also bad BACK WHENEVER", is beyond me. Are they really that disconnected, or is it a choice?

    • @mx.noname4710
      @mx.noname4710 2 года назад +2

      huh. Thanks for phrasing it that way, your penultimate sentence. I guess I'd never focused on that, and it's a really good point

  • @robintheparttimesewer6798
    @robintheparttimesewer6798 2 года назад +8

    I'm trying to learn but darn it's hard. All the crap about genders that I've been taught over the years is wrong but it's hard to get rid of the conditioning. Some of which I didn't even realize I was still listening to. Considering that I've also always been of the opinion if you want to do whatever have fun. Gendered beliefs should never keep you from your dreams. I guess I'm a work in progress. So thank you for your videos and explanations.

  • @JoannaPiancastelli
    @JoannaPiancastelli 2 года назад +18

    Ugh, yes, I definitely wish there was better acceptance for and more examples of different body types wearing clothing that was traditionally (or currently) gendered in a particular way. I would like some androgynous style icons who are short and have hips, please!

  • @catherinejustcatherine1778
    @catherinejustcatherine1778 2 года назад +5

    I appreciate your saying the important things that need to be said/heard.

  • @lotta_kannfastalles
    @lotta_kannfastalles 2 года назад +23

    This is a really important struggle to talk about! I also have "aspirational" styles that look more feminine, but I'm so introverted that I sometimes have to wash my dishes in my own sink just so I don't encounter my nice dorm room mates in the kitchen. So many styles that I like also remain aspirational, because I'm just uncomfortable to explore some gendered expressions that would attract attention on how "wrong" I do it and thus invote advice/comments similar to the ideal figure ones you talked about..

  • @KathleenStidham
    @KathleenStidham 2 года назад +14

    Thank you. I imagine being so open can be scary, and I appreciate your willingness to teach. I am learning so much. Keep being your wonderful, authentic self!

  • @JustIsold
    @JustIsold 2 года назад +8

    Holy shit ash this is exactly what I struggle with, I want to do historical costuming but my breasts are a major source of dysphoria for me and they're almost always emphasised in historic clothing. I have a lot of edwardian inspired skirts, but the idea of wearing a pigeon breasted blouse is horror to me. Do I know how to handle this? Nope, because apart from you I don't think Ive ever heard a costuber talk about this stuff.

  • @_MiGuo
    @_MiGuo 2 года назад +11

    thank you thank you thank you for making this vid! i had (and have) struggled to identify as non binary because i just don't see enough super femme nonbinary people. thank you for the representation, and making it clear that how we present ourselves has nothing to do with how we identify.

  • @daseineschaf
    @daseineschaf 2 года назад +4

    That really resonates with me! Costuming and sewing here on yt is mostly done by cis-women, and I’ve experienced discomfort too when some of them talk openly about their bodies, as in comparing the shapes of their breasts... I think we should talk about our bodies and how we feel about them, but maybe in a less gendered way and less focused on beauty standards.

  • @TheIntuitiveArtificer
    @TheIntuitiveArtificer 2 года назад +10

    Wow another great video! Great points about the classist nature of many of the popular aesthetics styles. Where is the common working person in history aesthetic? I am way more interested in the common everyday wear as the idea of combining historical functional clothing into something that is functional in the present day is really appealing to me. If anyone has recommendations of RUclipsrs who do this please let me know!

    • @GaraksApprentice
      @GaraksApprentice 2 года назад +1

      I thought I was the only one! I love historical fashion but yikes, I am *never* going to wear a pearl-and-gilt covered *anything*. Even when I’m re-enacting I go for the closest thing to working class I can get away with (we’re a company of knights so even then I’m still Fancy. Just not *FANCY*).

    • @TheIntuitiveArtificer
      @TheIntuitiveArtificer 2 года назад +1

      @@GaraksApprentice I’m sure there are more of us somewhere…

  • @animperfectscience7336
    @animperfectscience7336 2 года назад +6

    Thank you for such a great video, and one I felt in my bones. The word "professional" and all the weight, connotation, and close association with "classy" is the bane of my existence when looking for work clothes that fit some kind of nondysphoric style. (And K-pop street fashion is also very popular at my house, for similar reasons. :) )
    I definitely agree with some of the other comments about aspirational styles, too -- I love the idea of dresses, but that assumption of woman if I'm wearing anything remotely in the ballpark, and often when I'm not, halts those plans very quickly.
    Thank you again for such a personal video. Looking forward to the rest of the series.

  • @haakdraakje
    @haakdraakje 2 года назад +3

    I love your larp video's but am just as eager to educate myself. When i grew up even "gay" was hushed so i have a lot of catching up to do.

  • @juliemeanor6531
    @juliemeanor6531 2 года назад +3

    Yes.

  • @kcthehermit
    @kcthehermit 2 года назад +4

    I love your entertaining videos, but I think I love your videos more when you're educational and turn serious. Thank you for creating the videos that you do. It shouldn't be your responsibility to educate those of us that aren't trans, but you do it so well. I appreciate every video you make whether it's educational or entertainment.

  • @BYBabbra
    @BYBabbra 2 года назад +2

    Love this series of videos that you are doing. It does bring lots of questions to my mind but no real answers. I question myself each day about how I present myself but without ending up being the target of others prejudices. I need to think about this, a lot I fear.
    I know what my gender bias is, but how I present me; changes a lot.

  • @AmbroseMakes
    @AmbroseMakes 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for this video. Navigating historical styles as a non binary person is a challenge.
    I'm still trying to figure out my style, and avoiding being seen as a woman is something that makes me shy away from anything femme.
    Also, I am definitely one of the people who LOVES the "not a woman, but a monster, a werewolf or a cat" quote. It me.
    I also really appreciate the commentary on the classism that can be part of dark academia style.

  • @RobinT346
    @RobinT346 2 года назад +1

    "I am not a woman but a monster, a werewolf, a cat" YES SIB!!
    on another note I really want to figure out how to make historic men's clothing in a way that fits my more curvy shape but doesn't accentuate it or make it look like i'm in a pantomime playing Best Boy. Both for LARP reasons and for everyday wardrobe reasons.

  • @coreygilles847
    @coreygilles847 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for tackling this

  • @karinbaird2499
    @karinbaird2499 2 года назад +3

    Bravo 👏

  • @mikeymullins5305
    @mikeymullins5305 2 года назад +3

    if y’all want trans history y’all should go listen to Queer as Fact- absolutely excellent, engaging queer history podcast which has recently been taken over by trans content lol bc in the words of one of the trans hosts “it’s just better”

  • @juliabreckner2759
    @juliabreckner2759 2 года назад

    Yeah! So happy for this series.
    And Yes. Finding the correct combination of gender clothing vibes is glorious. And as someone whose gender is extremely inconsistent a considerable amount of the time, it can be very annoying to find the correct clothing vibes. Especially on days when gender is ~meh, don't care~ and everything becomes the wrong gender feel. Hope you keep finding more positive gender clothing combinations.
    And Howl is more slime? and green ooze? I don't know what clothing category that goes into other than generic description of chaotic wizard of drama.
    And we are ignoring deadnames on youtube accounts because it's linked to my school email..... and I can't change it.....

  • @MaryamBehairy
    @MaryamBehairy 3 месяца назад

    🤗 from a Texas USA nana.

  • @StarlightSovereign
    @StarlightSovereign 8 месяцев назад

    Thank you so so much for this. You have such an excellent way of saying so many things that need to be said for our community. I'm a fellow afab nonbinary person who enjoys historical costuming (I'm a Rennie) and doesn't really enjoy traditional historical silhouettes at all.
    I am trying to find ways to enby up my garb while wearing the pretty skirt or this or that that I enjoy.
    Well I'm going fae so it makes it easier to mess with it. Mine needn't be too historically accurate anyway.
    But I'm glad to hear this spoken about by you. You really said everything so well. Cheers!

  • @kafkaesqueee
    @kafkaesqueee 2 года назад

    My first thought when seeing the thumbnail was that I had to grab my friend and put her in a costume because ITS WHERE SHE BELONGS (she got a talent for cosplay she wouldn't of minded)

  • @kikidevine694
    @kikidevine694 Год назад

    Love this; I am non-binary afab,and hate being told I am not androgynous enough. Personally I don't want more body hair, enjoy my breasts and love corsets, stockings and decadent frilly underthings; I also like to wear a masculine style shirt with my Edwardian ensemble, cravat and fedora, and a silver topped walking stick as I sashay/swagger along. Androgyny, in the popular perception of the look seems to veer very much towards looking as completely masculine as possible. And I don't feel comfortable doing that.

  • @KristinaHoneyHavenFarm
    @KristinaHoneyHavenFarm 2 месяца назад

    I have been working my way through these trans education videos, but I think I am more confused than ever, so if anyone can shed more light on this, I would appreciate it. I am a cis woman girly girl, and have been described as having no fashion sense or style. I wear what I like. I have never had an "aesthetic" unless you consider traditional modesty to be an aesthetic. I apologize for crossing into "boob" territory here but I wanted to say that a large bust can be challenging to fit which may be why it is brought up in other vids. The cute girly things I see are made for small busted women. Darts in women's clothes never sit right on me, and buttons always gap. I have discovered men's shirts and shorts fit better on me, but that does not mean my aim is to create a male aesthetic. Although I have been watching a lot of historical costume videos which address the correct silhouette, the idea of padding or reshaping anything does not appeal to me (and some of those historical eras were way too revealing for my taste). That said, I do think some corsets look much more comfortable than a modern bra, and therefore I would like to try that just for something that fits rather than for a given shape. In the winter I wear vests so I don't have to wear a bra; I also want to make summer vests for that reason. All that to say, based on what I listened to in the video, if one tosses clothing preferences aside (as well as romantic preferences), what then defines a person as transgender?

  • @lynn858
    @lynn858 Год назад

    "...Monster, werewolf or cat..." sounds very in line with the way a number of Autistic people describe their (lack of) gender identity. Which is also in line with the fact that a much higher percentage of neurodivergent people identify as having gender(s) and sexualities outside of the average options than the general population.
    This is beautiful and fascinating to me.

  • @olliejones3302
    @olliejones3302 2 года назад +1

    Dark academia without the classism is just The Young Ones 😆

  • @kobanogard5701
    @kobanogard5701 Год назад

    I always liked the idea of messy dark academia. Like, cheap shirts unbuttoned and untucked. Old jumper with holes, old dark pants and second hand worn in boots. It not only makes it less uniform but its more real and relatable. Yes You're a wizard or witch but you some how have the time to make yourself look preppy while doing all nighters reading spells?

  • @pippaseaspirit4415
    @pippaseaspirit4415 Год назад

    I don’t think I have the “right” shape body for any era! I can, without effort, make good clothes look bad.