Wild that there's plans to demolish a 20 year old stadium in order to replace it with a stadium with the exact same seating. Whatever happened to the phrase "if it ain't broke don't fix it"? Wouldn't replacing the stadium just present the exact same problem 20 years down the road?
Not exactly as the stadium is used very differently now to how it was built. There are no oval sports played there, so if it was a permanent rectangular stadium with closer, better seating that would be quite different to what they have now.
The advantage Melbourne has is you can spend time in the bars and restaurants in the CBD before and after games, the day becomes a whole of day entertainment event. The city comes alive as tens of thousands of sporting fans move around the town. Sydney needs to bite the bullet and find space near the city and CBD and see it come alive.
@@Buddy89538 Mini is accurate. The entire CBD is within 15 mins of public transport to all stadiums and all stadiums are within 15 min walk of primary entertainment hubs outside the designated precincts around the stadiums.
Difference between Optus/MCG and Stadium Australia is that the AFL draws big crowds weekly as its the dominant sport. Sydney likes a bit of everything so the crowds will always be spread thin. Unless a dominant sport emerges that wont change
@@cl9925 I would disagree on the basis that it can't seem to sell out or draw big crowds on a weekly basis like the AFL in Vic/WA. Probably the most popular at this point in time but not by much
@@ThatK1dTom People don't go out in Sydney to watch games generally, much less for Rugby League, which is better to watch on TV. Television audiences and revenue often are on par or surpass AFL numbers. From a cultural and monetary standpoint, it's the NRL, then daylight. NRL crowds are better than they've ever been, despite the sporting market in Sydney being more saturated than ever. It's flat out incorrect to suggest otherwise.
You could argue that Sydney likes a bit of “nothing” rather than “everything”. Unfortunately as an entertainment city, Sydney has been on the decline since the mid 2000s. In Melbourne people can go to the footy at the MCG, a show in the city or South Bank, a late dinner or bar in the CBD, all in the same evening and within walking distance. Nothing is open after 10pm in Sydney and everywhere is so far from anywhere else. It has the bones to be a brilliant cultural draw for people but continues to fail in its delivery.
One of the problems is that the Govt built Commbank/Parramata/WSS. Its essentially in the same catchment (geograohic centre of Sydney) and pulled away half the tenants. Ive never liked the half baked renovations. The big issue with the stadoum is unless you are on the lower level that moves in you are a long way from the pitch, and a roof doesnt fix that. I wonder if a cheaper option might be to demolish only one grandstand and rebuild it 20-30m closer, with the pitch moved towards the remaining grandstand and lower deck retracted
This or at the very least, just bring the ends in. You can also reshape the roof like Man City are doing and add another tier if needed. A new stadium would be nice but surely this is a better solution than nothing at all
With the SCG at capacity again over the weekend for the Swans v Cats match, there'll be pressure from both the Swans and the AFL for a refurbishment of the SCG. Tom Harley flagged this on an SEN interview back in 2022; he would expect a refurbishment of one of the stands to be the next major infrastructure project in Sydney. Depending on how big of a job they commit to, it could see the Swans needing to play a portion of games elsewhere for one or more years and Stadium Australia makes the most sense while they can still, as you pointed out, configure the ground to an oval shape.
Good idea. Use it for a bit, takes pressure off getting the SCG done. Also gives the government some extra time to plan what to do with accor. If the swans play how they have been recently, they could be getting 50k at some big games at accor. Furthermore, the new years test at accor could get attendance similar to the MCG (in terms of how full a ground of similar magnitude gets).
@@mikespearwood3914 The Bill O'Reilly, Clive Churchill and Brewongle stands were all constructed in the 80's. It's the premier cricket and aussie rules stadium in Sydney, it's fair to have these talks now seeing as nothing would likely be finished for 3-8 years even if they got gov approval tomorrow.
Is it needed? SFS is a great rectangular stadium. Parramatta stadium services the west. You've got two round stadiums with the SCG and Showgrounds. NRL prefering suburban grounds. Its a shame the just did up SFS to only 40k. That could have been a prime spot for 80k stadium
I think my nostalgic side would crumble if i ever see Stadium Australia bulldozed simply because of my childhood memories of the Sydney 2000 Olympics. But like everything these days, out with the old in with the new and no questions asked. Hope they find a good use for it before turning the literal history piece into dust.
Yep, I feel the same. It's holds very special memories for me, and I'm sorry, but that rebuild proposal stadium looked so stock standard. Everytime I go to Stadium Australia, it still feels modern to me. It's a clean stadium with great facilities. They just need to bring us closer to the action and possibly add a roof.
Done my sum... Big crowd events. Matildas. Socceroos. Wallabies. NRL Finals / double header. 2 AFL games. 2 EPL games. A League final, State of Origin, 6 cricket... that's 17 events. 3 concerts... The problem is that NRL doesn't get enough crowds for a stadium so big. So that is the critical thing needing rectification. A new stadium won't fix that.
I can tell you from experience that I don't go to Accor because its: - Hard to get to ( The new metro should help with this) - Just a terrible viewing experience, you feel so far away from everything. If it was rebuilt to a proper rectangular stadium built for Rugby League and Soccer, id go there a lot more often.
@@B-tr9kz Yes but soccer gets no crowds apart from EPL practice matches. NRL gets no crowds apart from finals and origin. Rugby they reckon gets no crowds. But I reckon you'd get some to see the All black. So having a stadium just for soccer and rugby is pointless. It needs to be a stadium thats least 60% full every week of the season. But soccer and NRL just won't do it. It needs AFL and cricket and to get those bigger crowds week in and week out.
@@BDub2024 Sydney isn't Melbourne. You don't need to fill it up every week to get use out of it. Do you think England fill Wembley up every week? Ill tell you this, if the AFL somehow got its way and Accor was redeveloped into a permanent oval stadium with retractable seating, the NRL would start moving games away from there. Eventually the only games played there would be AFL and Cricket, exactly the opposite of what the government would have wanted. They would also risk losing the NRL Grand Final to Brisbane. The Swans have a perfectly good stadium in the SCG to use, upgrade that and let Rugby League and Soccer have a major rectangular stadium.
@@B-tr9kz I was just quoting the guy re crowd size and empty stadium. MCG can get 25000 (quarter full) for matches between some sides and non Victorian teams if they're struggling. Often less than half full.
@@B-tr9kz London is another interesting one. No shared stadiums. You have Wembley, Spurs ground, Arsenal, Twickenham, West Ham Olympic stadium... All big sizes and used just by one soccer team. Optus Stadium is on average 3/4 full for footy games. At least half full for BBL. Full houses for NRL and Soccer.
As an AFL and NRL fan living in Adelaide the problem I find with Accor Stadium is Sydney is spoiled for choice of entertainment and pubs/bars/hotels that unlike the AFL which capitalises on the NFL tailgate atmosphere, the NRL the aleague or rugby Australia will never be able to sustainably attract enough foot traffic towards a centralised location like Homebush. Honestly Allianz Stadium should have been renovated at 75,000 to resemble Manchester United Old Trafford stadium. That way you can capitalise on people travelling into the Sydney CBD and taking the short trip to Moore Park and Randwick. That didn’t happen so unfortunately the drab that Accor Stadium has become simply can’t be abandoned like how Brazil, Beijing and Athens abandoned their Olympic stadiums
That's because the "city centre" of Sydney is about 90% of the way to the east of the city, while Melbourne's centre is almost central. Homebush is probably slightly east of the demographic centre.
All it needs is the roof, which it's structurally designed for. Use the same lightweight plastic as the Tassie stadium and it's only $200m. It's primarily a concert venue now, so a roof is most important. I also wouldn't discount the AFL returning in the future.
If the current teams don't draw big crowds what makes you think a new stadium would improve that situation. I went to Comm Bank stadium when it was built just to have a look & I thought it was a great stadium. I've never been back. I did go the Accor in 2018 to see the Wanderers play Sydney FC that got 60,000+ spectators but that was a one off. Really I don't understand how a multi million $ stadiums have such a short life span.
The problem with Stadium Australia is the location its in the middle of nowhere pretty much. As a souths fan i prefer the SFS better atmosphere then accor. But accor is a great stadium for special attractions. I would love to see a WWE PLE event i see that filling the stadium with the modern the new video screen will be good for the set. I wish they do on the other side as well to even it out.
@@belchy94if it’s in the middle of nowhere then why does Engie stadium thrive with GWS and Sydney thunder ?!? Its in the same complex Kevin campion ya swim champion 😝😝😝🤦🏼♂️
It was full to the brim at the women's world cup, that was amazing. Surely the problem is the events aren't bringing in the crowds, rather than the stadium being the problem?
Noticed the decay and failures of Stadium Australia so much during the Women's World Cup. Went to every game in Sydney and all the ones at the SFS really highlighted what a modern stadium needs to be, and (despite controversy) why you rebuild a stadium. Any visit to Stadium Australia is painful due to its ridiculous design and lack of amenities. Great video.
Knock down and make it residential. Buy up the waste of space that is Moore Park Golf Course (limited public use and function), and build a massive stadium there with associated Metro train station.
A simple solution is, for all those people unable to afford housing to emigrate elsewhere which will begin to occur more and more. It's a disgrace with our landmass there are so many impediments to home ownership.
I don't see anything majorly wrong with this stadium. Just configure it for a rectangular field and keep capacity over 80 thousand. With Sydney's population growing, why do we keep wanting to build a new stadium that hosts less people?? SMH. Aussie's rebuild should have brought it up to 50 - 60 thousand, not stay at 40. Unless Stadium Aus is going to collapse in the next 30 years, why do we need to keep knocking down and rebuilding?? Crazy waste of money just so some corporate wankers can go hang out somewhere twice a year. The punters don't care about corporate boxes and in-stadium "venues". Some of the money the state govt saves can be used to subsidise tickets and for food and drink. How about, for every $50 voucher you get $100 value?? Everything becomes half-price, families can go to the footy for a fair price. That'll fill the seats more often. Stop buying and promoting the BS from those who simply want to bulldoze so they can profit, while we the public pay like mugs for billions of dollars of unnecessary rebuilds. Get the seats closer to the field, some minor upgrades and that's it.
Missed opportunity I feel was for Sydney Olympic Park to be set up as a proper nightlife precinct around the stadiums. Plenty of people around before and after events, public transport, and more centrally located than the cbd so it isn’t such a trek for people out west.
Sydney being a world class city.... deserves a world class stadium. Something on the likes of Sofi Stadium, Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. A brand new 7 star state of art boutique stadium with a capacity of around 70/75000.
Have you seen the price tag behind those stadiums you just mentioned? Our government’s don’t have that type of cash to throw around and private corporations aren’t willing to invest in that type of infrastructure. For example SoFi stadium is over 5 billion. Our newest stadium Allianz Stadium was $800 million. You want a 7 star stadium at a 2 star price? Not happening.
@@kovaci0000007 Also don't forget our Wallabies play their Rugby Union games especially the Bledisloe Cup against the New Zealand All Blacks & also the Rugby Championships against the South African Springboks & the Argentinian Pumas, New Zealand All Blacks & the Rugby (7 Sevens) Tournament Competitions all with big crowds of 10k or more per game as well too of course.
It is useful to remember that Athletics may be looking to lay a track inside Stadium Australia as World Athletics and World Para Athletics (Paralympic Athletics) look to host big events in Australia and New Zealand. It will allow Sydney to bring major events to the Olympic Park with steady crowd numbers at events plus big broadcast deals with 7+.
@@Buddy89538 But DON'T bet your cotton pickin life about both of Rugby League & the Australian Rules been bigger in Australia because there are (2 Two) OTHER Football Sporting Codes which are NOT Only bigger in Australia but also both Globally Internationally Worldwide as well too being played in Number of other Countries both of our Football as in our Soccer Code is being played in (200) Countries & while our Rugby Union Football Code is being played in (133) Countries which are (115) who are Fulltime Rugby Union Football Members & just only (18) Associate Rugby Union Football Members & for our Rugby League Football Code is only being played in at least over (70 Seventy) Countries which is Globally Worldwide Internationally in which most of them who are the New Rugby League Football Developing Countries who actually do have the Rugby League Football Code itself. Papua New Guinea is the only country to have Rugby League Football as its National Sport. (4 Four) Countries - Australia, England, France, and New Zealand - have teams that play at a Professional Level, of course.
Zero point in spending hundreds of millions on this stadium when it’s main tenants are the Bulldogs (who will sell max 18K tickets anyway) and big events there (e.g. a state of origin or a Taylor Swift concert) will sell out the venue at the current capacity.
Considering it's the Olympics at the time I am writing this, looking back at the Sydney Olympics we got at least 20 or so years out of this stadium and only used for NRL final towards the end of the season.
The Stadium is alright. I've been there probably 7-8 times for both AFL and NRL. and seen concerts there. Problem is the location - way out of town. I was surprised how far out it was. Not near anything of interest at all. Reminds me of ancient VFL Park in Melbourne, and Football Park in Adelaide - rotten locations. Both now demolished. They need to bulldoze this joint and have a world class Stadium close to Sydney CBD.. Thats the future. Perth and Adelaide have done it -stadiums very close to CBD. Melbournes got 2 AFL stadiums on CBD doorstep, short walk, plus Melb Storm's ground on CBD fringe too, plus other entertainments precincts.. Sydney needs to do it. Revitalises the city too around big events..
When I heard this line “If this stadium is allowed to rot for another 10 years, it’ll get to the point where you can t renovate.”, I could have sworn he was talking about the Gabba
No need to knock it down and rebuild it, Stadium is so as modern as it is, stadium needs a massive refurb to bring the Southern and northern ends closer, and increase the capacity by adding 5k on each end.
I don't know wether a knock down or upgrade is better but what I don't understand is why wasn't Commbank or the SFS re built as a 80-100k stadium that could of been our marquee stadium instead we have 2 mid capacity stadiums that can't host high attendance major events.
The size of the footprint needed made it impossible for Moore Park. There is a bit more space around Parramatta Park but horrible infrastructure for moving spectators there.
@@almango873 yeah you're probably right with Moore park, I do believe homebush is the best location for our biggest stadium being centrally located and situated within a entertainment/sports precinct.
An interesting topic would be a historical what if? The stadium landscape look like had Sydney not got the 2000 Olympic Games? Apparently it was only one or two votes difference.
They really need to knock it down and build a state of the art RECTANGULAR stadium in its place. Anything 70k+ will do. Add a retractable roof and now you have the perfect venue for big events. Another idea is you can insert curtains for the upper decks for lower drawing games to help with the atmosphere.
I can go on about the issues with this stadium but I think we all agree. This needs to be treated as a Wembley used for some internationals and good Friday and finals games. The Bulldogs, Tigers and Souths need to be moved to CommBank and Allianz respectively. They are the 3 teams that don't get a home ground advantage. Plus noone wants to go to Homebush noone likes it.
All the stadium needs is an upgrade for closer seating and a roof which was meant to happen until covid happened. Then that money went to building penrith a new stadium
Let's be honest, Olympic Park is a faaaaaaarking trek and a half. It's not like it sits on a regular Western Sydney train line. You have to change trains at Lidcombe and go to a dedicated entertainment precinct. This also means that any surrounding entertainment is all part of the same complex. It's not nice bars and restaurants surrounding the stadium, but tacky, expensive, subpar venues owned by the stadium. This means at the end of big events, you have 40 - 80,000 patrons all trying to cram into the same dedicated train station because no one wants to hang around. It's a f*cking nightmare going out there.
This is very said, Accor stadium will need a massive upgrade especially when the Gabba getting upgraded for the Brisbane olympics and Optus stadium being upgraded around 2030 to around 100,000 capacity Sydney needs to have great state of the art stadium
It’s still a good stadium. If a rebuild costs say only 25% more than a renovation than better off doing a rebuild but it’s just not necessary at the moment. I recon just keep it as is for say another 10 -12 years & then do a knock down rebuild. That’s a win win, we get the best possible new stadium without the compromises that come with renovation & we get decent life out of the stadium we have.
There’s a cord stadium just needs a roof on it right over the whole ground so they can have concerts and a whole lot of other stuff the thing doesn’t need to be demolished God it’s not that old just needs a roof that’s all right over the whole ground so everyone can be dry the players at all the people
Why include Olympic Park in the Sydney West Metro and build a Parramatta-Olympic Park light rail if the stadium is of no use? If the nearby Rosehill Racecourse is to be closed down why not put a new racetrack inside Stadium Australia? 😂😂 Seriously I would keep the stadium as is; small refresh every few years; Australian rugby may become good again, the Swans or Giants may rethink their own home grounds ten years down the track; there will still be a Taylor Swift superstar in 5 or 10 years time. The government should not be wasting money on knocking down and rebuilding stadiums when we can't build housing quick enough.
Sydney will need at least an 85k (preferably 90k or almost meet to MCG capacity). I don't think 70-75k will can it.... Yes even tho grand final, stage of origin, some soccer games and random concerts is only packed out, but 70-75k for this venue won't cut the mustard. I think purely relying on SFS for our big games is going to be a disaster and sydney won't be able to host any finals (or if world cup finals stages) in tournaments. Edit: I think since technology has gotten a lot better, I think we can do retractable seating pretty well. If i purely wanted my way, i would have crown and the corpos go and jump and build an 120k+ (or even beat Pyongang Stadium of 150k) in Baranagroo
The biggest issue with the stadium is the bottom tier is too flat you can't see jack and it's quite far from the action for Rectangle sports like NRL and the Soccer. Also in the Hotter months the stadium becomes an oven because there is no opening on the sides so it traps the air making it hot asf, 2023 GF felt like it was nearly 50 degrees.
The challenge is that the stadium is just too big for the type of year in year out usage that Sydney provides. One or two mega events isn't enough, but the flip of that is to host any major tournament you really need a 60-70k seat stadium to make it worth while. The GWS Giants are another 20-30yrs away from needing a 50k seat stadium, and that is best case. As pointed out in the video, NRL games just don't fill this type of stadium. It's not like AFL where the big 4 teams in Melbourne regularly get 70-80k for standard season games. Soccer is in a terrible state in the country, and while the Matildas could fill it, the Socceroos would struggle against 95% of opponents to get it half full. 1-2 Origin games isn't enough, and relying on a Taylor Swift style event each year isn't realistic. Having been to the stadium when it launched and again last year for the Womens World Cup Final, the stadium feels incredibly aged. It's amazing how a stadium barely 30yrs old feels so tired, but expectations for fans experiences these days are much higher. I think a full state of the art stadium of 50-60k could work, but there is still plenty of chances it would be a partial failure.
Very very few olympic stadiums have ever been levelled (the original London one I think is it). Stadium Australia deserves better than the crap it cops. i don't see it changing anytime soon. Would love to see us host another olympics/world athletics championships. Then to claim only a few events a year is bullshit multiple taylor swift, Coldplay, league x 2, womens football, premier league tours, Lions tour etc..... Rome has never torn down their olympic stadium despite football being the main sport there as well. Just usual BS from league fans who never paid for the Stadium but expect another rectangle ground which will suit its needs twice a year.
Kicking the stone down the road was the right thing to do. A state of the art stadium in 2019 will no longer be state of the art in 2035. Hopefully it will be replaced with something that can be continually refurbished rather than knock down rebuild but maybe that’s wishful thinking
It was an absurd decision to turn it into a fixed rugby soccer ground. Its amazing that it can be AFL, cricket and any other sport or activity. The issue is that the Stadium doesn't offer enough to AFL, cricket, EPL teams... Sydney vs Giants during year. Especially at the moment they'd get almost 60,000 maybe more. Why wouldn't Sydney in the BBL play 5 games minimum there? (25k plus double for finals). Then surely Rugby would get 50k for an international. Double headers for NRL games? Finals NRL... NFL game would sell out. EPL practice matchs would sell out. After all Roma vs ACMilan got 60k in Perth last week. Baseball from US... and it goes on. Surely it gets more than one concern. So I think the Stadium needs to produce a better deal for the sporting codes.
@@brianp5344 AFL got a crowd of 72k at the stadium. But the problem is that the SCG is a small circular playing space. Unique in AFL. Whereas Olympic stadium is long and narrow. So, while Sydney is getting big crowds at the Olympic Stadium they lose their home ground advantage. So Sydney not playing there is a blow. In reality Sydney will outgrow the SCG, so the government and cricket authorities need to increase capacity for cricket and football. Likewise cricket needs an 80k stadium in Sydney with all the Indian and Pakistan fans there. Blockbuster series between the two countries need to be held each year. People go on about needing rectangular only. But NRL crowds are only big enough at finals and Origin for the venue anyway. Soccer only has the odd international, mayb one a year. Is that whre the Bleddisloe cup played. Maybe one a year at best. etc.. It needs cricket and AFL to fill it.
@@chalkandcheese1868 I think it would depend on where you live. But if you want a 60k plus crowd then that's the alternative. Swans don't need it yet, but it would grow the game and increase AFL tourism into Sydney. If you held a Paki vs India one day series or T20 series it would need to be olympic stadium.
WSS is a better stadium and SFS has a better location (although still to far from the CBD). SA is a pointless stadium that only made sense for the Olympics. WSS may have way less capacity but it is a far, far superior stadium for rectangular sports. Not only was it purpose built, but they also used steeper stands like Europe which generates a great atmosphere. I actually wish they rebuilt the SFS in the same way. So yeh unless they rebuild SA the same way into a stadium that suits rectangular sports but with 80k capacity (similar to Twickenham) what's the point. I agree that a renovation is absolutely pointless.
The best thing that could happen is the stadium being bulldozed and rebuilt. Based on NSW projects it would guarantee we wouldn't have to go to Homebush for 4/5 years 😅
Stadium Australia makes the same kind of design floors that the Waverly stadium in Melbourne had. As a Melbournian, it was obvious from the beginning the stadium was going to suck.
It’s a good venue, is it time for the NRL to pull the plug on suburban grounds and utilise this more? Look at the AFL, having 9 teams sharing 2 grounds works well 90% of the time. I do think the location in Melbourne works better than Sydney. The gabba and adelaide oval are also way better located. This is too far from the CBD.
All teams that play at marvel hate it. Im a st kilda supporter and games at marvel feel souless most of the time. However, there is obviously an attendance issue with NRL. IDK why that is I don't pay enough attention to it. The 2 things I love most about NRL are Origin and suburban grounds.
The problem with this venue is it’s just shit to watch games at. They stuffed it up trying to accommodate the AFL when they should have just made it rectangular. Once they fix it up, make it rectangular, and add the metro, the venue will get bigger weekly crowds
@@benjaminrowley Essendon and Carlton would be top 5 for members and they play majority of their home games as marvel. For smaller teams like north or st kilda (saints attendance isn't always low but they suck rn so no one cares), it probably would've been better if they stayed suburban and get 25k at their own grounds
If anything it needs to be downgraded to a capacity similar to Suncorp, and instead renovate the Canberra stadium so it can become the new “Stadium Australia”.
It’s less than 20 k from the dead centre of Sydney , it’s just that it takes 50m + by road at most times of the day to get to due to Sydney’s shit road infrastructure
Too far yet only takes like 20 minutes to get there by train... You can get to Olympic Park faster than you can walk through half of the CBD from central to circular Quay.
@@JayJayGamerOfficial 20 mins? Porkies. The bottom line is that Sydney olympic park doesn’t have its own version of caxton street and the night life after the games is dead. Footy is always going to be better at Suncorp
Don’t renovate or knock down, waste of money. Everyone hates going out there for a game. They should’ve properly built up Moore park and the scg when they had the chance and scrapped Homebush but they have their claws in the brass
The problem with the olympic stadium is that it needs a big event with big crowds to get an atmosphere. It is useless for oval sports like cricket and AFL and it is no good for small crowd events.
Just leave it as it is, no stadium in sydney could ever draw a 80,000 person crowd weekly, but they do need it for big events like Taylor Swift, Matildas and Origin. While it might not have the same "amenities" as a new stadium, who cares, it can sit empty for most of the year and still work for major events. Also there are more than 5 events per year that can fill it, and the giant screen they added down one end reduced the capacity to 75, 000 or something. We shouldn't be building stadiums that need renovating every 20 years, leave it as it is until at least 2050.
Okay in I believe 2019 finals gws vs sydney got 60,000 people and this year at the scg it got 40,000 so if you move that 40,000 plus the probably 10,000 gws would get you could advertise the match or what I think they should do is play an anzac day night game there. There was once a proposal for Collingwood vs sydney to be an anzac night game and in that very year they played each other in like round 22 or something and it got 75,000 for reference that is what they get for state of origan.
Stadium Australia would've definitely come in handy in the 2022 Swans vs. Collingwood AFL preliminary finals.. The SCG sold out quickly..Soo many Swans & Collingwood fans without tickets. I reckon the game would've sold out, it would've been a good look for AFL in rugby league heartland.. As the second largest oval configured stadium (after MCG), It could still serve as a back up AFL stadium, should Swans need a backup stadium with more capacity, although I highly doubt this given the Swans dissatisfaction with the ground conditions. The pitch would need a massive upgrade to bring it up to standards of what the Swans enjoy at the SCG..
What a disgusting waste of money to even contemplate rebuilding any sporting arena, let along 3. The Stadium has to offer better deals to the sporting codes to play there. Maybe the govt can assist in getting deals done and to attract events to venue too.
@@thebuilder2018 Look, you have Eddie wanting to do the same with MCG replace all one side of the ground thats about 20 years old. Then he's talked about knocking down Docklands (Marvel Stadium) and so on. Developing a stronger precinct. Its ridiculous. Anywhere else in Australia, with a more balanced and sensible government they would never consider it.
Feels a bit stupid for Sydney to put all that money into rebuilding the SFS and then having to do the same for Stadium Australia, surely Docklands or the Gabba could use the federal money for that instead
If you want a 80k stadium then it needs to be a lot more than soccer and rugby. So rectangular is foolhardy. I don't know where you're from but had to chuckle at your comment about Sydney's stature, calling it the entertainment capital and the biggest city in Australia. You're wrong all fronts. And I'm not Victorian. I'm not sure that going forward you'll fill it for just rugby. So unless it accommodates AFL and cricket that the fans actually go, then what's the point. My. comment re cricket is derived from the massive immigration from cricket loving countries to Sydney and to the west.
@@jacobc590 If NSW govt is smart they will put in a big bid for a gatherround in Sydney (maybe joint with another location). Double headers would fill the Olympic Stadium. The stadium owners and NSW govt need to get creative to bring big sporting codes there and to fill it. Even EPL practice matches or even double headers.
Modify it to only hold 70-75k capacity. NRL is the major user. Sydney has 8 other NRL teams with their own stadiums. No one wants to travel over an hour just to watch one game of footy when there’s closer stadiums to the CBD with better atmosphere in a smaller layout. Suburban grounds are much better than this hunk of junk. Just modify it to a 70-75k capacity stadium for major events and concerts.
Bulldoze it and build 65-70k Multipurpose indoor stadium. 83k stadium just isnt viable in Sydney when you so many local stadiums already accomdating the NRL, A league, Super rugby games.
Do you think that maybe just maybe it’s occupancy or lack there of is due to management?!? You do realise that the Sydney Thunder and GWS both use Engie Stadium as their home respective home grounds . Can I ask where exactly that is in relation to the fabled stadium Australia or Accor Stadium? For those that don’t know it’s about 300m away So saying that it’s not feasible for clubs due to its location is utter dross , having been to afl and early big bash games out at stadium Australia I can tell you for free it was 100 percent the cost of tickets there that killed clubs wanting to go there. You also go on to say Sydney needs a modern stadium to compete with Melbourne yet how old is the MCG ? I think it’s time Sydney Siders face the fact every thing is Sydney isn’t worth what they think it is. It’s 100% the management of it not the location
It is an absolutely awful stadium. The atmosphere even when full is garbage. All the seating is a mile away from the ground. Getting to the upper levels is a nightmare. I’m sure a quick evacuation in the event of an emergency would be impossible. It is empty for almost all games played there as it is so bad.
Super rugby isn’t as popular as the wallabies for many reasons. But they did pretty much sell out the MCG last year and pretty much sell out most games in NSW and around the country. Also the British and Irish lions are coming and the rugby World Cup. So they will all be sellout. You clearly havnt done your research either
Not at all I don’t need to do research just talking to people nobody knows union plays anymore, me an avid sports fan can only name like 2 or 3 players, no one gives a fuck anymore. British expats and Kiwis going to the games won’t change that
Bro I love how you call this stadium of Australia. sorry are you living under a rock. The mighty MCG is the biggest. cricket , afl so much more. No more said ahhhah
Bulshit it doesn’t get good crowds for union the wallabies get massive crowds there and why reduce the capacity for the nrl grand final because the nrl needs a big stadium or you may aswell move it out of Sydney to Melbourne or Brisbane
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Wild that there's plans to demolish a 20 year old stadium in order to replace it with a stadium with the exact same seating. Whatever happened to the phrase "if it ain't broke don't fix it"? Wouldn't replacing the stadium just present the exact same problem 20 years down the road?
Not exactly as the stadium is used very differently now to how it was built. There are no oval sports played there, so if it was a permanent rectangular stadium with closer, better seating that would be quite different to what they have now.
The advantage Melbourne has is you can spend time in the bars and restaurants in the CBD before and after games, the day becomes a whole of day entertainment event. The city comes alive as tens of thousands of sporting fans move around the town. Sydney needs to bite the bullet and find space near the city and CBD and see it come alive.
Moore Park???
@@53af00done stadium 5km away from the cbd, melb is 1 trains stop from the cbd with trains every minute
Yeah that’s the Moore park precinct. 2 huge stadiums and entertainment quarter. Essentially a mini version of what Melb has
@@Buddy89538 Mini is accurate. The entire CBD is within 15 mins of public transport to all stadiums and all stadiums are within 15 min walk of primary entertainment hubs outside the designated precincts around the stadiums.
@@Buddy89538 The entertainment quarter is tacky and lifeless, don't compare it to Melbourne
Difference between Optus/MCG and Stadium Australia is that the AFL draws big crowds weekly as its the dominant sport. Sydney likes a bit of everything so the crowds will always be spread thin. Unless a dominant sport emerges that wont change
That's true, a full stadium will always look better, but this stadium has held the legendary events. In less than 25 years as well.
Rugby League is pretty clearly the dominant sport in Sydney.
@@cl9925 I would disagree on the basis that it can't seem to sell out or draw big crowds on a weekly basis like the AFL in Vic/WA. Probably the most popular at this point in time but not by much
@@ThatK1dTom People don't go out in Sydney to watch games generally, much less for Rugby League, which is better to watch on TV. Television audiences and revenue often are on par or surpass AFL numbers. From a cultural and monetary standpoint, it's the NRL, then daylight. NRL crowds are better than they've ever been, despite the sporting market in Sydney being more saturated than ever. It's flat out incorrect to suggest otherwise.
You could argue that Sydney likes a bit of “nothing” rather than “everything”. Unfortunately as an entertainment city, Sydney has been on the decline since the mid 2000s.
In Melbourne people can go to the footy at the MCG, a show in the city or South Bank, a late dinner or bar in the CBD, all in the same evening and within walking distance.
Nothing is open after 10pm in Sydney and everywhere is so far from anywhere else. It has the bones to be a brilliant cultural draw for people but continues to fail in its delivery.
Tony. Jimmy and Rhonda from Utopia are discussing this issue right now.
link please?
fun fact there was a tv show that was basically that en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Games_(Australian_TV_series)
One of the problems is that the Govt built Commbank/Parramata/WSS. Its essentially in the same catchment (geograohic centre of Sydney) and pulled away half the tenants.
Ive never liked the half baked renovations. The big issue with the stadoum is unless you are on the lower level that moves in you are a long way from the pitch, and a roof doesnt fix that.
I wonder if a cheaper option might be to demolish only one grandstand and rebuild it 20-30m closer, with the pitch moved towards the remaining grandstand and lower deck retracted
That's the only wise option. Couldn't agree more with you.
This or at the very least, just bring the ends in. You can also reshape the roof like Man City are doing and add another tier if needed. A new stadium would be nice but surely this is a better solution than nothing at all
With the SCG at capacity again over the weekend for the Swans v Cats match, there'll be pressure from both the Swans and the AFL for a refurbishment of the SCG. Tom Harley flagged this on an SEN interview back in 2022; he would expect a refurbishment of one of the stands to be the next major infrastructure project in Sydney. Depending on how big of a job they commit to, it could see the Swans needing to play a portion of games elsewhere for one or more years and Stadium Australia makes the most sense while they can still, as you pointed out, configure the ground to an oval shape.
Good idea. Use it for a bit, takes pressure off getting the SCG done. Also gives the government some extra time to plan what to do with accor. If the swans play how they have been recently, they could be getting 50k at some big games at accor. Furthermore, the new years test at accor could get attendance similar to the MCG (in terms of how full a ground of similar magnitude gets).
The SCG is fine. Why do people keep demanding stadiums are refurbished every 20 years?!
@@mikespearwood3914 The Bill O'Reilly, Clive Churchill and Brewongle stands were all constructed in the 80's. It's the premier cricket and aussie rules stadium in Sydney, it's fair to have these talks now seeing as nothing would likely be finished for 3-8 years even if they got gov approval tomorrow.
@@joshmott1368 Who's paying for all this stuff josh??? People can't afford a home or rent but we need to worry about an SCG makeover??!!
Noone likes afl in nsw, they can have the run down cricket ground
Is it needed?
SFS is a great rectangular stadium. Parramatta stadium services the west. You've got two round stadiums with the SCG and Showgrounds. NRL prefering suburban grounds.
Its a shame the just did up SFS to only 40k. That could have been a prime spot for 80k stadium
Environmental and infrastructure factors around Moore Park would've made it impossible to build it to 80k
I think my nostalgic side would crumble if i ever see Stadium Australia bulldozed simply because of my childhood memories of the Sydney 2000 Olympics. But like everything these days, out with the old in with the new and no questions asked. Hope they find a good use for it before turning the literal history piece into dust.
Yep, I feel the same. It's holds very special memories for me, and I'm sorry, but that rebuild proposal stadium looked so stock standard.
Everytime I go to Stadium Australia, it still feels modern to me. It's a clean stadium with great facilities. They just need to bring us closer to the action and possibly add a roof.
Funny this came out yesterday - we were there for the Bulldogs v Eels game just over half capacity but was almost as loud as a Grand Final.
go get your ears checked
@@thebuilder2018haha was so quiet, I could yell and the players and refs could hear 😂
Done my sum... Big crowd events. Matildas. Socceroos. Wallabies. NRL Finals / double header. 2 AFL games. 2 EPL games. A League final, State of Origin, 6 cricket... that's 17 events. 3 concerts... The problem is that NRL doesn't get enough crowds for a stadium so big. So that is the critical thing needing rectification. A new stadium won't fix that.
I can tell you from experience that I don't go to Accor because its:
- Hard to get to ( The new metro should help with this)
- Just a terrible viewing experience, you feel so far away from everything. If it was rebuilt to a proper rectangular stadium built for Rugby League and Soccer, id go there a lot more often.
@@B-tr9kz Yes but soccer gets no crowds apart from EPL practice matches. NRL gets no crowds apart from finals and origin. Rugby they reckon gets no crowds. But I reckon you'd get some to see the All black. So having a stadium just for soccer and rugby is pointless. It needs to be a stadium thats least 60% full every week of the season. But soccer and NRL just won't do it. It needs AFL and cricket and to get those bigger crowds week in and week out.
@@BDub2024 Sydney isn't Melbourne. You don't need to fill it up every week to get use out of it. Do you think England fill Wembley up every week?
Ill tell you this, if the AFL somehow got its way and Accor was redeveloped into a permanent oval stadium with retractable seating, the NRL would start moving games away from there. Eventually the only games played there would be AFL and Cricket, exactly the opposite of what the government would have wanted. They would also risk losing the NRL Grand Final to Brisbane. The Swans have a perfectly good stadium in the SCG to use, upgrade that and let Rugby League and Soccer have a major rectangular stadium.
@@B-tr9kz I was just quoting the guy re crowd size and empty stadium. MCG can get 25000 (quarter full) for matches between some sides and non Victorian teams if they're struggling. Often less than half full.
@@B-tr9kz London is another interesting one. No shared stadiums. You have Wembley, Spurs ground, Arsenal, Twickenham, West Ham Olympic stadium... All big sizes and used just by one soccer team. Optus Stadium is on average 3/4 full for footy games. At least half full for BBL. Full houses for NRL and Soccer.
As an AFL and NRL fan living in Adelaide the problem I find with Accor Stadium is Sydney is spoiled for choice of entertainment and pubs/bars/hotels that unlike the AFL which capitalises on the NFL tailgate atmosphere, the NRL the aleague or rugby Australia will never be able to sustainably attract enough foot traffic towards a centralised location like Homebush. Honestly Allianz Stadium should have been renovated at 75,000 to resemble Manchester United Old Trafford stadium. That way you can capitalise on people travelling into the Sydney CBD and taking the short trip to Moore Park and Randwick. That didn’t happen so unfortunately the drab that Accor Stadium has become simply can’t be abandoned like how Brazil, Beijing and Athens abandoned their Olympic stadiums
As someone from Melbourne,I was surprised at just how far from the city it is.
As SoMeOnE fRoM MeLbOuRnE
@@JohnSmith-qi6pmas someone who is a dumass
That's because the "city centre" of Sydney is about 90% of the way to the east of the city, while Melbourne's centre is almost central. Homebush is probably slightly east of the demographic centre.
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@@JohnSmith-qi6pmcheers for permanently marking yourself as a flog
All it needs is the roof, which it's structurally designed for. Use the same lightweight plastic as the Tassie stadium and it's only $200m.
It's primarily a concert venue now, so a roof is most important.
I also wouldn't discount the AFL returning in the future.
If the current teams don't draw big crowds what makes you think a new stadium would improve that situation. I went to Comm Bank stadium when it was built just to have a look & I thought it was a great stadium. I've never been back. I did go the Accor in 2018 to see the Wanderers play Sydney FC that got 60,000+ spectators but that was a one off. Really I don't understand how a multi million $ stadiums have such a short life span.
The problem with Stadium Australia is the location its in the middle of nowhere pretty much. As a souths fan i prefer the SFS better atmosphere then accor. But accor is a great stadium for special attractions. I would love to see a WWE PLE event i see that filling the stadium with the modern the new video screen will be good for the set. I wish they do on the other side as well to even it out.
It's not the middle of no where it's close to the geographic centre of sydney, SFS is only convient for people in the eastern or southern suburbs.
@@davidpickford. getting to it is a nightmare unlike the SFS
@@belchy94if it’s in the middle of nowhere then why does Engie stadium thrive with GWS and Sydney thunder ?!? Its in the same complex Kevin campion ya swim champion 😝😝😝🤦🏼♂️
You do realise parramatta is geographically the centre of Sydney 😂 do you think it’s easy for someone to get to SFS from Penrith or Campbelltown?
It was full to the brim at the women's world cup, that was amazing. Surely the problem is the events aren't bringing in the crowds, rather than the stadium being the problem?
Noticed the decay and failures of Stadium Australia so much during the Women's World Cup. Went to every game in Sydney and all the ones at the SFS really highlighted what a modern stadium needs to be, and (despite controversy) why you rebuild a stadium. Any visit to Stadium Australia is painful due to its ridiculous design and lack of amenities.
Great video.
Might be in the minority but the original layout of 115k is pretty awesome, that era from 1999-2002 would have been epic
I was in one of those nose bleed seats for the opening in 99, it was like looking down on ants running around.
Knock down and make it residential.
Buy up the waste of space that is Moore Park Golf Course (limited public use and function), and build a massive stadium there with associated Metro train station.
Australia needs affordable housing now… it does not need stadiums…
A simple solution is, for all those people unable to afford housing to emigrate elsewhere which will begin to occur more and more. It's a disgrace with our landmass there are so many impediments to home ownership.
You should run for prime minister
@@VelvetRiot-hz5mpfrl
You do realise what investments are and how said investments make more money.
Work harder
Very interesting to listen to, well done.
I don't see anything majorly wrong with this stadium. Just configure it for a rectangular field and keep capacity over 80 thousand. With Sydney's population growing, why do we keep wanting to build a new stadium that hosts less people?? SMH. Aussie's rebuild should have brought it up to 50 - 60 thousand, not stay at 40. Unless Stadium Aus is going to collapse in the next 30 years, why do we need to keep knocking down and rebuilding?? Crazy waste of money just so some corporate wankers can go hang out somewhere twice a year. The punters don't care about corporate boxes and in-stadium "venues". Some of the money the state govt saves can be used to subsidise tickets and for food and drink. How about, for every $50 voucher you get $100 value?? Everything becomes half-price, families can go to the footy for a fair price. That'll fill the seats more often. Stop buying and promoting the BS from those who simply want to bulldoze so they can profit, while we the public pay like mugs for billions of dollars of unnecessary rebuilds. Get the seats closer to the field, some minor upgrades and that's it.
Missed opportunity I feel was for Sydney Olympic Park to be set up as a proper nightlife precinct around the stadiums. Plenty of people around before and after events, public transport, and more centrally located than the cbd so it isn’t such a trek for people out west.
Sydney being a world class city.... deserves a world class stadium. Something on the likes of Sofi Stadium, Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. A brand new 7 star state of art boutique stadium with a capacity of around 70/75000.
I don't think even 75k will be enough..... its will need almost to MCG style capacity.....
The difference being they weren't tax payer funded.
what for? NRL averages 10k per game, Socceroos/Tillys play there once a year. Literally no point in building a new stadium
Have you seen the price tag behind those stadiums you just mentioned? Our government’s don’t have that type of cash to throw around and private corporations aren’t willing to invest in that type of infrastructure. For example SoFi stadium is over 5 billion. Our newest stadium Allianz Stadium was $800 million. You want a 7 star stadium at a 2 star price? Not happening.
@@kovaci0000007 Also don't forget our Wallabies play their Rugby Union games especially the Bledisloe Cup against the New Zealand All Blacks & also the Rugby Championships against the South African Springboks & the Argentinian Pumas, New Zealand All Blacks & the Rugby (7 Sevens) Tournament Competitions all with big crowds of 10k or more per game as well too of course.
It is useful to remember that Athletics may be looking to lay a track inside Stadium Australia as World Athletics and World Para Athletics (Paralympic Athletics) look to host big events in Australia and New Zealand. It will allow Sydney to bring major events to the Olympic Park with steady crowd numbers at events plus big broadcast deals with 7+.
That will never happen. Athletics and Track and Field aren’t Australia’s number 1 sports. Nothing is bigger than Rugby League and AFL in Australia.
@@Buddy89538 But DON'T bet your cotton pickin life about both of Rugby League & the Australian Rules been bigger in Australia because there are (2 Two) OTHER Football Sporting Codes which are NOT Only bigger in Australia but also both Globally Internationally Worldwide as well too being played in Number of other Countries both of our Football as in our Soccer Code is being played in (200) Countries & while our Rugby Union Football Code is being played in (133) Countries which are (115) who are Fulltime Rugby Union Football Members & just only (18) Associate Rugby Union Football Members & for our Rugby League Football Code is only being played in at least over (70 Seventy) Countries which is Globally Worldwide Internationally in which most of them who are the New Rugby League Football Developing Countries who actually do have the Rugby League Football Code itself.
Papua New Guinea is the only country to have Rugby League Football as its National Sport.
(4 Four) Countries - Australia, England, France, and New Zealand - have teams that play at a Professional Level, of course.
Zero point in spending hundreds of millions on this stadium when it’s main tenants are the Bulldogs (who will sell max 18K tickets anyway) and big events there (e.g. a state of origin or a Taylor Swift concert) will sell out the venue at the current capacity.
Considering it's the Olympics at the time I am writing this, looking back at the Sydney Olympics we got at least 20 or so years out of this stadium and only used for NRL final towards the end of the season.
The Stadium is alright. I've been there probably 7-8 times for both AFL and NRL. and seen concerts there. Problem is the location - way out of town. I was surprised how far out it was. Not near anything of interest at all. Reminds me of ancient VFL Park in Melbourne, and Football Park in Adelaide - rotten locations. Both now demolished. They need to bulldoze this joint and have a world class Stadium close to Sydney CBD.. Thats the future. Perth and Adelaide have done it -stadiums very close to CBD. Melbournes got 2 AFL stadiums on CBD doorstep, short walk, plus Melb Storm's ground on CBD fringe too, plus other entertainments precincts.. Sydney needs to do it. Revitalises the city too around big events..
When I heard this line “If this stadium is allowed to rot for another 10 years, it’ll get to the point where you can t renovate.”, I could have sworn he was talking about the Gabba
No need to knock it down and rebuild it, Stadium is so as modern as it is, stadium needs a massive refurb to bring the Southern and northern ends closer, and increase the capacity by adding 5k on each end.
I don't know wether a knock down or upgrade is better but what I don't understand is why wasn't Commbank or the SFS re built as a 80-100k stadium that could of been our marquee stadium instead we have 2 mid capacity stadiums that can't host high attendance major events.
The size of the footprint needed made it impossible for Moore Park. There is a bit more space around Parramatta Park but horrible infrastructure for moving spectators there.
@@almango873 yeah you're probably right with Moore park, I do believe homebush is the best location for our biggest stadium being centrally located and situated within a entertainment/sports precinct.
An interesting topic would be a historical what if? The stadium landscape look like had Sydney not got the 2000 Olympic Games? Apparently it was only one or two votes difference.
They really need to knock it down and build a state of the art RECTANGULAR stadium in its place. Anything 70k+ will do. Add a retractable roof and now you have the perfect venue for big events.
Another idea is you can insert curtains for the upper decks for lower drawing games to help with the atmosphere.
Like Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta. They open it up for the NFL’s Falcons but close it up for Atlanta Utd’s in the MLS.
thats shit
@@thebuilder2018 by curtains the’d be massive screens, could use some surreal game graphics make the experience more engaging.
@@robbiebalboa They were supposed to do that for SFS, but scrapped it because they are too cheap.
@@g.e.889 yeh that’s right I thought I’d seen concept sketches For that in the SFS rebuild
I can go on about the issues with this stadium but I think we all agree.
This needs to be treated as a Wembley used for some internationals and good Friday and finals games.
The Bulldogs, Tigers and Souths need to be moved to CommBank and Allianz respectively. They are the 3 teams that don't get a home ground advantage. Plus noone wants to go to Homebush noone likes it.
Needs to be 90,000 plus for the NRL Grand Final and major touring artists
So your going to upgrade its capacity by 10k for just one game every year and a couple artists? Not worth jt
Champion, they pulled a bigger crowd at the MCG than league did a year or two ago for a Bledisloe 🙈
All the stadium needs is an upgrade for closer seating and a roof which was meant to happen until covid happened. Then that money went to building penrith a new stadium
Let's be honest, Olympic Park is a faaaaaaarking trek and a half. It's not like it sits on a regular Western Sydney train line. You have to change trains at Lidcombe and go to a dedicated entertainment precinct. This also means that any surrounding entertainment is all part of the same complex. It's not nice bars and restaurants surrounding the stadium, but tacky, expensive, subpar venues owned by the stadium. This means at the end of big events, you have 40 - 80,000 patrons all trying to cram into the same dedicated train station because no one wants to hang around. It's a f*cking nightmare going out there.
This is very said, Accor stadium will need a massive upgrade especially when the Gabba getting upgraded for the Brisbane olympics and Optus stadium being upgraded around 2030 to around 100,000 capacity Sydney needs to have great state of the art stadium
Where on earth are you hearing about a 100,000 capacity Optus Stadium??!
It’s still a good stadium. If a rebuild costs say only 25% more than a renovation than better off doing a rebuild but it’s just not necessary at the moment. I recon just keep it as is for say another 10 -12 years & then do a knock down rebuild. That’s a win win, we get the best possible new stadium without the compromises that come with renovation & we get decent life out of the stadium we have.
There’s a cord stadium just needs a roof on it right over the whole ground so they can have concerts and a whole lot of other stuff the thing doesn’t need to be demolished God it’s not that old just needs a roof that’s all right over the whole ground so everyone can be dry the players at all the people
Why include Olympic Park in the Sydney West Metro and build a Parramatta-Olympic Park light rail if the stadium is of no use? If the nearby Rosehill Racecourse is to be closed down why not put a new racetrack inside Stadium Australia? 😂😂
Seriously I would keep the stadium as is; small refresh every few years; Australian rugby may become good again, the Swans or Giants may rethink their own home grounds ten years down the track; there will still be a Taylor Swift superstar in 5 or 10 years time.
The government should not be wasting money on knocking down and rebuilding stadiums when we can't build housing quick enough.
I missed the old Accor stadium
Sydney has been the second largest city for over a year now.
Sydney will need at least an 85k (preferably 90k or almost meet to MCG capacity). I don't think 70-75k will can it.... Yes even tho grand final, stage of origin, some soccer games and random concerts is only packed out, but 70-75k for this venue won't cut the mustard.
I think purely relying on SFS for our big games is going to be a disaster and sydney won't be able to host any finals (or if world cup finals stages) in tournaments.
Edit: I think since technology has gotten a lot better, I think we can do retractable seating pretty well.
If i purely wanted my way, i would have crown and the corpos go and jump and build an 120k+ (or even beat Pyongang Stadium of 150k) in Baranagroo
Most modern stadiums around the world get by with 60 or 70,000
More public transport. It was a nightmare for the Bledislow cup this year.
Imo id keep ANZ cuz NRL needs a ground for origin & the GF where do you propose that goes to ?
It's not the stadium that we hate. It's the location and the logistics of getting there.
The biggest issue with the stadium is the bottom tier is too flat you can't see jack and it's quite far from the action for Rectangle sports like NRL and the Soccer.
Also in the Hotter months the stadium becomes an oven because there is no opening on the sides so it traps the air making it hot asf, 2023 GF felt like it was nearly 50 degrees.
I hope they demolish it and build a larger Combank Stadium 🏟 with step stands.
The challenge is that the stadium is just too big for the type of year in year out usage that Sydney provides. One or two mega events isn't enough, but the flip of that is to host any major tournament you really need a 60-70k seat stadium to make it worth while.
The GWS Giants are another 20-30yrs away from needing a 50k seat stadium, and that is best case. As pointed out in the video, NRL games just don't fill this type of stadium. It's not like AFL where the big 4 teams in Melbourne regularly get 70-80k for standard season games.
Soccer is in a terrible state in the country, and while the Matildas could fill it, the Socceroos would struggle against 95% of opponents to get it half full.
1-2 Origin games isn't enough, and relying on a Taylor Swift style event each year isn't realistic.
Having been to the stadium when it launched and again last year for the Womens World Cup Final, the stadium feels incredibly aged. It's amazing how a stadium barely 30yrs old feels so tired, but expectations for fans experiences these days are much higher.
I think a full state of the art stadium of 50-60k could work, but there is still plenty of chances it would be a partial failure.
Very very few olympic stadiums have ever been levelled (the original London one I think is it). Stadium Australia deserves better than the crap it cops. i don't see it changing anytime soon. Would love to see us host another olympics/world athletics championships. Then to claim only a few events a year is bullshit multiple taylor swift, Coldplay, league x 2, womens football, premier league tours, Lions tour etc..... Rome has never torn down their olympic stadium despite football being the main sport there as well. Just usual BS from league fans who never paid for the Stadium but expect another rectangle ground which will suit its needs twice a year.
Kicking the stone down the road was the right thing to do. A state of the art stadium in 2019 will no longer be state of the art in 2035. Hopefully it will be replaced with something that can be continually refurbished rather than knock down rebuild but maybe that’s wishful thinking
Bledsoe last year at 88k at the MCG so rugby ain’t dead mate
dying*
Way back? It was just a few years ago
It was an absurd decision to turn it into a fixed rugby soccer ground. Its amazing that it can be AFL, cricket and any other sport or activity. The issue is that the Stadium doesn't offer enough to AFL, cricket, EPL teams... Sydney vs Giants during year. Especially at the moment they'd get almost 60,000 maybe more. Why wouldn't Sydney in the BBL play 5 games minimum there? (25k plus double for finals). Then surely Rugby would get 50k for an international. Double headers for NRL games? Finals NRL... NFL game would sell out. EPL practice matchs would sell out. After all Roma vs ACMilan got 60k in Perth last week. Baseball from US... and it goes on. Surely it gets more than one concern. So I think the Stadium needs to produce a better deal for the sporting codes.
Noone in sydney wants to watch afl
@@brianp5344 AFL got a crowd of 72k at the stadium. But the problem is that the SCG is a small circular playing space. Unique in AFL. Whereas Olympic stadium is long and narrow. So, while Sydney is getting big crowds at the Olympic Stadium they lose their home ground advantage. So Sydney not playing there is a blow. In reality Sydney will outgrow the SCG, so the government and cricket authorities need to increase capacity for cricket and football. Likewise cricket needs an 80k stadium in Sydney with all the Indian and Pakistan fans there. Blockbuster series between the two countries need to be held each year. People go on about needing rectangular only. But NRL crowds are only big enough at finals and Origin for the venue anyway. Soccer only has the odd international, mayb one a year. Is that whre the Bleddisloe cup played. Maybe one a year at best. etc.. It needs cricket and AFL to fill it.
AFL and cricket fans hate it, ask any Swans fan whether they'd rather go to the SCG or out to Homebush
@@chalkandcheese1868 I think it would depend on where you live. But if you want a 60k plus crowd then that's the alternative. Swans don't need it yet, but it would grow the game and increase AFL tourism into Sydney. If you held a Paki vs India one day series or T20 series it would need to be olympic stadium.
@@chalkandcheese1868 swans fans hate it cause it means they have to travel out west which they despise
You guys are lucky, if you were in Brisbane they would just say let it rot😂
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Make it a rectangle!!! Look at yesterday's Bulldogs game, the fans deserve a better stadium
err no, no they don't! they'd destroy it :)
@AussieBronco that's why we need a new one, Dogs keep wrecking it for the Bunnies
@@realeststeps5271 they should be playing at the SFS?
WSS is a better stadium and SFS has a better location (although still to far from the CBD). SA is a pointless stadium that only made sense for the Olympics. WSS may have way less capacity but it is a far, far superior stadium for rectangular sports. Not only was it purpose built, but they also used steeper stands like Europe which generates a great atmosphere. I actually wish they rebuilt the SFS in the same way. So yeh unless they rebuild SA the same way into a stadium that suits rectangular sports but with 80k capacity (similar to Twickenham) what's the point. I agree that a renovation is absolutely pointless.
NRL should start doing double headers there again.
It would get like 5,000 - 10,000 maximum
They don't even want to watch one game lol
"obsolete"? how? what does it matter if its only holding 20,000 people during normal season?...
Sydney Olympics still feel it’s got a future
The best thing that could happen is the stadium being bulldozed and rebuilt. Based on NSW projects it would guarantee we wouldn't have to go to Homebush for 4/5 years 😅
Stadium Australia makes the same kind of design floors that the Waverly stadium in Melbourne had. As a Melbournian, it was obvious from the beginning the stadium was going to suck.
It is only 25 years old…
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It’s a good venue, is it time for the NRL to pull the plug on suburban grounds and utilise this more? Look at the AFL, having 9 teams sharing 2 grounds works well 90% of the time. I do think the location in Melbourne works better than Sydney. The gabba and adelaide oval are also way better located. This is too far from the CBD.
All teams that play at marvel hate it. Im a st kilda supporter and games at marvel feel souless most of the time. However, there is obviously an attendance issue with NRL. IDK why that is I don't pay enough attention to it. The 2 things I love most about NRL are Origin and suburban grounds.
@@harejam9528that’s cause saints along with dogs north are small clubs compared to the juggernauts that play at the mcg
The problem with this venue is it’s just shit to watch games at. They stuffed it up trying to accommodate the AFL when they should have just made it rectangular.
Once they fix it up, make it rectangular, and add the metro, the venue will get bigger weekly crowds
They tried that in the 00s and it was an abject failure.
@@benjaminrowley Essendon and Carlton would be top 5 for members and they play majority of their home games as marvel. For smaller teams like north or st kilda (saints attendance isn't always low but they suck rn so no one cares), it probably would've been better if they stayed suburban and get 25k at their own grounds
If anything it needs to be downgraded to a capacity similar to Suncorp, and instead renovate the Canberra stadium so it can become the new “Stadium Australia”.
Just renovate it! That's all we need.
It's too far from the CBD unlike suncorp and MCG.
It’s less than 20 k from the dead centre of Sydney , it’s just that it takes 50m + by road at most times of the day to get to due to Sydney’s shit road infrastructure
Too far yet only takes like 20 minutes to get there by train... You can get to Olympic Park faster than you can walk through half of the CBD from central to circular Quay.
@@JayJayGamerOfficial 20 mins? Porkies. The bottom line is that Sydney olympic park doesn’t have its own version of caxton street and the night life after the games is dead. Footy is always going to be better at Suncorp
Don’t renovate or knock down, waste of money. Everyone hates going out there for a game. They should’ve properly built up Moore park and the scg when they had the chance and scrapped Homebush but they have their claws in the brass
International rugby and World Cup make it not irrelevant mate
Soccer can’t out a crowd in there either….
Just wait for the next rugby world cip
The problem with the olympic stadium is that it needs a big event with big crowds to get an atmosphere. It is useless for oval sports like cricket and AFL and it is no good for small crowd events.
Just leave it as it is, no stadium in sydney could ever draw a 80,000 person crowd weekly, but they do need it for big events like Taylor Swift, Matildas and Origin. While it might not have the same "amenities" as a new stadium, who cares, it can sit empty for most of the year and still work for major events. Also there are more than 5 events per year that can fill it, and the giant screen they added down one end reduced the capacity to 75, 000 or something.
We shouldn't be building stadiums that need renovating every 20 years, leave it as it is until at least 2050.
Swans vs gws should play there rivalry matches
They used to and barely got 40,000 to attend.
Okay in I believe 2019 finals gws vs sydney got 60,000 people and this year at the scg it got 40,000 so if you move that 40,000 plus the probably 10,000 gws would get you could advertise the match or what I think they should do is play an anzac day night game there. There was once a proposal for Collingwood vs sydney to be an anzac night game and in that very year they played each other in like round 22 or something and it got 75,000 for reference that is what they get for state of origan.
should play once a year Swans v Collingwood
Stadium Australia would've definitely come in handy in the 2022 Swans vs. Collingwood AFL preliminary finals.. The SCG sold out quickly..Soo many Swans & Collingwood fans without tickets. I reckon the game would've sold out, it would've been a good look for AFL in rugby league heartland.. As the second largest oval configured stadium (after MCG), It could still serve as a back up AFL stadium, should Swans need a backup stadium with more capacity, although I highly doubt this given the Swans dissatisfaction with the ground conditions. The pitch would need a massive upgrade to bring it up to standards of what the Swans enjoy at the SCG..
Swans and gws should be deported to victoria, noone in nsw likes afl
Leave it as is. It's still state of the art and is required for the huge events.
Women's world cup was fantastic there.
No need to waste $
This stadium actually has hosted the most memorable sporting events in Australia in the last 70 years, yeah let's bulldoze it.
Bro sounds like Gerard whateley 😭😭😭
Sounds nothing like him.
What a disgusting waste of money to even contemplate rebuilding any sporting arena, let along 3. The Stadium has to offer better deals to the sporting codes to play there. Maybe the govt can assist in getting deals done and to attract events to venue too.
thats why theyre doing it they enjoy wasting money
@@thebuilder2018 Look, you have Eddie wanting to do the same with MCG replace all one side of the ground thats about 20 years old. Then he's talked about knocking down Docklands (Marvel Stadium) and so on. Developing a stronger precinct. Its ridiculous. Anywhere else in Australia, with a more balanced and sensible government they would never consider it.
Feels a bit stupid for Sydney to put all that money into rebuilding the SFS and then having to do the same for Stadium Australia, surely Docklands or the Gabba could use the federal money for that instead
...or put it into our crap train system rather than sports vanity projects, we are in a climate crisis afterall.
They should lobby the AFL to come back and the surface itself to be renovated as it was deemed dangerous at time is why the afl left
AFL games were horrible there. I attended a swans v pies game and it just felt wrong.
Pfft afl is down the bottom of what nsw people want to watch, they can have their run down cricket ground
The new SFS should have been 70,000+ and then the Olympic stadium could have eventually been retired.
If you want a 80k stadium then it needs to be a lot more than soccer and rugby. So rectangular is foolhardy. I don't know where you're from but had to chuckle at your comment about Sydney's stature, calling it the entertainment capital and the biggest city in Australia. You're wrong all fronts. And I'm not Victorian. I'm not sure that going forward you'll fill it for just rugby. So unless it accommodates AFL and cricket that the fans actually go, then what's the point. My. comment re cricket is derived from the massive immigration from cricket loving countries to Sydney and to the west.
When you refer to rugby league, it's rugby league, not rugby.
@@jacobc590 i was talking about the rugby codes. I was surprised that the internationals weren't getting good crowds in Rugby union.
@@jacobc590 If NSW govt is smart they will put in a big bid for a gatherround in Sydney (maybe joint with another location). Double headers would fill the Olympic Stadium. The stadium owners and NSW govt need to get creative to bring big sporting codes there and to fill it. Even EPL practice matches or even double headers.
Stuck out of the middle of nowhere tho
Modify it to only hold 70-75k capacity. NRL is the major user. Sydney has 8 other NRL teams with their own stadiums. No one wants to travel over an hour just to watch one game of footy when there’s closer stadiums to the CBD with better atmosphere in a smaller layout. Suburban grounds are much better than this hunk of junk. Just modify it to a 70-75k capacity stadium for major events and concerts.
Bulldoze it and build 65-70k Multipurpose indoor stadium. 83k stadium just isnt viable in Sydney when you so many local stadiums already accomdating the NRL, A league, Super rugby games.
government really find great ways to waste our money. keep it how it is, no need to change
It’s made of concrete it won’t “rot” 😂
Do you think that maybe just maybe it’s occupancy or lack there of is due to management?!?
You do realise that the Sydney Thunder and GWS both use Engie Stadium as their home respective home grounds .
Can I ask where exactly that is in relation to the fabled stadium Australia or Accor Stadium?
For those that don’t know it’s about 300m away
So saying that it’s not feasible for clubs due to its location is utter dross , having been to afl and early big bash games out at stadium Australia I can tell you for free it was 100 percent the cost of tickets there that killed clubs wanting to go there.
You also go on to say Sydney needs a modern stadium to compete with Melbourne yet how old is the MCG ?
I think it’s time Sydney Siders face the fact every thing is Sydney isn’t worth what they think it is.
It’s 100% the management of it not the location
It is an absolutely awful stadium. The atmosphere even when full is garbage. All the seating is a mile away from the ground. Getting to the upper levels is a nightmare. I’m sure a quick evacuation in the event of an emergency would be impossible. It is empty for almost all games played there as it is so bad.
Accor is still world class
Leave the stadium alone its awsone as it is
Too many big stadiums in Australia. Suncorp is old but still the best atmosphere. Optus stadium in Perth is big with terrible atmosphere.
So rugby has fallen so much... Yet they sold out the MCG last year. C'mon dude, at least do SOME research
Look at their wc performance and their week by week attendances
Super rugby isn’t as popular as the wallabies for many reasons. But they did pretty much sell out the
MCG last year and pretty much sell out most games in NSW and around the country. Also the British and Irish lions are coming and the rugby World Cup. So they will all be sellout.
You clearly havnt done your research either
Not at all I don’t need to do research just talking to people nobody knows union plays anymore, me an avid sports fan can only name like 2 or 3 players, no one gives a fuck anymore. British expats and Kiwis going to the games won’t change that
No need for this stadium anymore, 80K to be used 3 or 4 times a year is an utter white elephant
Host everything at the G. It's much better.
Bro I love how you call this stadium of Australia. sorry are you living under a rock. The mighty MCG is the biggest. cricket , afl so much more. No more said ahhhah
Bulshit it doesn’t get good crowds for union the wallabies get massive crowds there and why reduce the capacity for the nrl grand final because the nrl needs a big stadium or you may aswell move it out of Sydney to Melbourne or Brisbane
I see it been demolished and housing will be built there