AUSTRALIAN HERE - and we've talked about this before. THIS IS NOT AN AMERICAN ISSUE. Our Navy is being just as stupid with their procurement. They are drunk on spending being egged on by an army of corrupt consultants and corrupt politicians who don't give a damn except getting re-elected. A while back you talked bout the contracts to re-build the American Dry Docks. We have a ridiculous project to spend AU$8 Billion on a new dry dock in Perth. I'm 100% all in that we should have good (if not the best) facilities going forward. BUT WE ARE NOT GETTING VALUE FOR MONEY. You are describing exactly the same thing. America is NOT getting value for money. I would love to talk further with you on this. FYI - I did my degree in aerospace at U. of Illinois. I have spent 30+ years doing industrial control systems across a variety of industries where I am seeing EXACTLY the same thing again and again. This isn't just a military thing its now rampant across the entire engineering space. Its come through to us via the economics where its more profitable to NOT deliver value than it is to deliver value and the KEY WORD is *VALUE.* I'm certain from your background you know the term *Root Cause Analysis (RCA).* When you dig far enough into these issues of not delivering value in a timely manner. You do get to a common issue and once you realise what's driving this issue you can explain why military spending and many other issues are out of control and nobody gets what they want delivered. When i started to look into why certain things are being manged the way they are I wasn't even looking into military spending. I was looking into electricity generation, but found the same reasons I was seeing in both manufacturing and mining where I was doing most of my work. Everywhere you go there are these consultants on huge pay packets for no apparent reason *AND all they do is interfere with getting the job done.* This worries me because we do live in uncertain times and as the Houthis are showing it doesn't take billions and billions of dollars to throw things into chaos. All of our countries have issues we are trying to deal with like health care, education, infrastructure, security (as in military spending), employment, housing and the environment to name a few. *Look anywhere on any of these issues and there's consultants interfering with anything and everything and when you dig deeper they all studied the same things at college.*
Our shipyard capability and lack of vendors/vendor competition is really biting us in the ass. Also why can't FMM just pay these guys more lol. What cheapos.
@@ZeCroiSSanT950 It's almost like snuffing out capitalism/competition and replacing it with pseudo socialism/croynism/allowing all those defense mergers to then just have a ton of subcontractors under them with an increasingly stupid population leads to this.
@@rh906 Lol what? America is one of the most capitalist countries in the world. How extremist do you have to be to think America is going socialist lol? Also companies caring more about profits than quality output is literally in tune with capitalism.
@@termitreter6545 it's a right wing talking point and a silly one at that, there are genuine cases of those things in America, but there hasn't been a "snuffing out of capitalism" in the defense industry, it's definitely become less competitive though.
It's not that easy because we don't have that many shipyards these days. And then there's the matter of the design belonging to the winning shipyard, good luck convincing them to give up the plans to another shipyard. It's not like the old days where the military had their own designers in uniform and then the plans were given out to contractors to build. These days the military get the contractors to submit their designs and then they (the military) pick the design they like the best and the winning contractor builds it. I'm sure that there also might be some legal issues involved in taking a design from a contractor and giving it to another.
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The USA's military budget may seem massive but there are many factors where the US is losing capability due to high costs. US labor is expensive people forget that roughly one-quarter of the Department of Defense's budget is for military personnel The US over pays for many weapons for example a stinger missile that cost $25,000 in 1991, now costs more than $400,000 a 600% increase in just 3 decades. The US navy is decommissioning more subs than they are receiving even though they only have 49 nuclear attack subs today when the requirement is 66 (set in 2016) and projected to decline to 43 by 2030, If the US wanted to ramp up the Sub building to 2.5 per year they can't without building new shipyards and that process is underway but it may be too late if a conflict happens with another great power in short the US needs massive oversight and new competition in the defence industry, Turns out consolidation did not make a stronger defence base only a more expensive one.
Closing all those ports over the last couple decades are really coming back to bite us in the ass now. Sounds like the contracts being worked out across all of government these days is really dickin the tax payer now too.
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We could build a new shipyard from scratch or at it previous location and have a long-term shipbuilding strategy that would allow defense contractors to plan and make it economically feasible for people to learn trades useful for shipbuilding. We could also work with the state that the shipyards are into promote people going to trade school for these skills. We should have done this a decade ago.
When my brothers went through high school in the 90's they had 2 auto shops, a wood shop, a machine shop, and a drafting class. When I got there in the early 2000's they were down to one auto shop and the wood shop but the auto shop teacher retired my senior year. The plan was "America is going to be the office of the world!" and they emphasized "People with a college degree make $1 million more in their lifetime on average!". They offered us off campus trade skill classes but only if you had a 3.5 GPA or better... so basically nobody who actually needed them could go. You combine all of this with the backdrop of China joining the WTO and immediately violating its terms to launch a trade war on the US, followed by the great recession. Fast Forward 20~ years and the government has a surprise pikachu face as if this wasn't inevitable. Those shipyards will not hire anyone without both former military experience and trade experience. These few they hire wake up every morning and are bombarded by Amerika Bad rhetoric from both sides, get a steaming pile of culture war dumped on them, then realize they can make an extra $5 an hour on the other side of town or an extra $50k a year by opening their own business.
I have a friend who was in the Navy and is a big Stargate SG-1 fan and for his last and final reenlistment he got one of the lead actors on the show, Amanda Tapping, to do the ceremony.
The silly LCS trouble told me that the US Navy was lost and blind in it's plans. If we need Frigates and support ships it my be better to let other country's build them for us.
Doesn’t hurt that FMM has a retired admiral working for them, which helped them land the contract in the first place, over HII which already had the infrastructure in place to build the new class of frigate. HII’s design was basically an up-armored version of the NSC, painted gray. DOH!
The Navy did not want a jerry rigged NSC. FREMM has been around for a while. Also, the FFG project allows the Wisconsin shipyard to stay in business. With all of the contracts HHI has.. it is also putting things out late, like the USS JFK and the midlife refit and refuel of the USS Washington at Newport.
It wasn’t a Jerry-rigged NSC. Carriers have nothing to do with it, since the MS shipyard would be building the frigates, they have the capacity since the NSC’s are no longer being built, and the workforce was already in place. But yet again, the Navy chose to take a chance, and this is what they get.
@@tomwilson1006 Treating your sailors well helps a ton though. Especially for multi-mission ships like this which will likely end up seeing long endurance patrols. Seventh fleet and their ramming of tankers has shown conclusively that, among other things, a lack of creature comforts and a long deployment can be disastrous to crew performance. The best crews in the Navy are the ones with the best morale, and while good leadership is the main portion of that, not feeling like where you are is the last place on earth you want to be helps.
@@MillionFoul great leadership can make up for a lack of creature comforts significantly, whereas being extremely comfortable with bad leadership can end with very bad results. I don’t care how comfortable or good I have it, if my leadership is horrible and morale is in the dumps, you’re so miserable that it distracts from the mission and can cause deadly consequences.
I mean who’s gonna hold them accountable when no other branch is held to it? Imagine what the budget would be if everything was on budget and on time…or heck just even audit fraud waste and abuse
You need yards at home for maintenance and stuff. But yes, doing some shipbuilding at foreign partners would be a good warning shot across the bow of american industry.
Welcome to the world Australia is in. Why do you think one of the reason the attack class got cancelled and why things cost so much to build here. Lack of labor is a huge issue here and this will probably also result in the cancellation of the Aukus sub and buying the virginia's. Our universities are good at educating chinese but not interested in training Australian's.
Aaron has been saying for YEARS now we need much more ship building capability and boy does this story scream he is right beyond money to capability. Until we take a serious look at production and logistics realistically we are vulnerable in ways we never have been before, at least in the WW2 era we had the capability industrially to create and sustain a global "near peer" war fighting force for 2 sides of the planet, today we dont even have the base to begin to transform into what we would need, we need to start from scratch. My fear is in a near peer fight we shoot our load of smart munitions in the first 2/4 weeks and suddenly we are in a WW1 trench war, dumb bullets are cheap and flesh is still weak, i sight the slog that is the Ukraine ground war which now resembles the western front with similar casualties just worse weather.
We also had a moral and evenly educated population. Now it is largely immoral and education is lopsided into useless social "sciences" degrees and "diversity" hiring of people unqualified, unable to learn from experienced people as they are yeeted to make room, or worse: both.
... and this isn't even counting the recruiting and retention aspect, forward thinking, to crew all these projected planned vessels that are hard to get built.
So saddened by our own shipyards inability to turn out ships at the same cadence as even WW2. I can only wish/hope that the ships made by China in numbers are inferior. Really hope we can maintain a tech advantage even though our own private tech companies have sold out to get cheap labor from China to make iPhones and being naïve that the Chinese govt wouldn't steal all the tech they can.
They are, but Pandaland's main problem is cultural and their people. They have more tonnage, but they are massively incompetent. Though the US military is rapidly going in that direction with its leadership and the types of people enlisting into it. In about 10-20 years, I don't think there will be much of a difference between the two.
Might be time to look into adding more contractors into the mix. The navy should look to see if they can do anything with the Philly shipbuilding company in Philadelphia. They have made half of the Jones Act complaint shipbuilding since 2000. And they have a good reputation in the civilian ship-building Industry
I got out of the Army just before my battalion deployed for “Deep Freeze.” Yes, you heard right--Army! The 7th Trans, stationed out of Ft. Eustus, Va. did all the port functions. They had the lighters and air cushioned craft, the stevedores, truckers, etc. for getting the ground units and cargo ashore from Merchant Marine ships. Every year, a battalion would be assigned to [I guess] resupply McMurdo, and this unit was deployed for six months, with a two or three day pass to Christchurch, New Zealand sandwiched in the middle for R & R. You actually got a ribbon for that deployment. And I missed it, because I ETS ‘d out about six months before they went 😢.
I recall from your earlier videos about USS Connecticut waiting for repairs. It's a shame that the ship yards were closed reducing the capability to repair and maintain ships.
I’m curious if FMM will start trying to draw workers from their other yard just across the bay from them at Bay Shipbuilding. While the Great Lakes freighters get most of their major work done over the winter, it’s not impossible for them to start transferring employees back to MM for the rest of the season to boost construction forward. That, or maybe having BayShip prefabricate portions to try and speed it up that way
There's always a lot of work to do at sea and in port... unless you work in the ship's office. Those guys constantly complain about having nothing to do, and they make a point of complaining in front of people who are working.
I think a primary reason for the abuse of the bid system stems from the abundance of black book projects. Companies taking these bids are taking their sweet time with these projects to leech off the system. Crazy places charge you more just because you are government and I've seen this with my own eyes.
@@rh906 That's the problem. Discrimitory pricing. The Pentagon fails every financial audit since the history of them being audited. If they were a private company, they'd be in prison. Exactly like Tim Buchett says.
Build them outside of the US. There are many countries that have surplus ship building capacity and most of them are Western allied. They won't need to install the high tech electronics and weapon systems, but that is less the issue than the hulls themselves.
Short sited. Say we do this and it goes well so we outsource more and more US Navy shipbuilding overseas. A decade or 2 from now we would be over relying on other countries building our ships. This would have the effect of hurting our own shipbuilding capabilities down the road.
@@cjoin83 Not to mention you get the same thing that happened in China when you outsourced your industries. You make faux juggernauts that will dominate you because you are not going to cut off the source of their power (money) as it guaranteed massive pain for you as well.
@@cjoin83 Main reason you'd do this is to create competition and scare the american industrials that are trying to rip off the military/taxpayers. Also mind that the contracts are there, they yards are just not actually building capacity to save money.
So is the Navy delaying it's retirement of Ticonderoga-class cruisers since the Constellation-class vessels will be delayed? If not, we're going to be in an even worse world of hurt.
Army here. In my humble opinion - large surface combatants in huge quantities doesnt make alot of sense in our force design for the future. 1. Submarines, Multi role frigates, logistic aresenal C4SIR ships, 'smarter amphibious assault ships' - are better alternative force designs 2. The above forementioned ships can supplement existing missions whilst enabling better utilization of autonomous UUV, Drone ships etc. A stealth frigate with fewer crew can mount the Aegis system and forefill the Arleigh Burke especially when operating with drone arsenal ships 3. Fewer ships means lesser spent on maintaining sustainment and operating expenses, freeing up funds for more economic alternatives of similar capabilities. For reference Seawolf vs Virginia Class of SSN
I did a rough calculation of how many ships the Navy could have built based off the average price for all ships. I found that we lost 43 ships to the Ukraine War. I wasn’t too scientific, you’re welcome to check!
We will gladly build them in Bath Maine. Even though we have 1/5 the population of Wisconsin! Here we are teaching the high school kids welding and the trades. I think It’s working.
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There’s no accountability in government. How can we expect accountability with government contracts? Imagine fucking up multi-$billion deals and not losing your job. Thats how government works.
I believe the Philippines has the capability to build some ships as they built a Littoral Combat Ship or two in the past. France also has some capabilities to build ships. I know we want American built ships, but if we're going to make goals, then spread the work out.
The FFG was a rushed program and a lot of design revisions were being done while the steel was being cut. I doubt anyone expected it to come in on time. The nature of the bid also allowed the Wisconsin ship yard to bid, so it was a done deal before the formal bid. They probably won the contract due to the design and not due to the ability to meet schedule. The flu things probably also put them behind. The USS JFK was supposed to be out this year, but it got pushed back to next year. Such is life. BTW, I'm available to work in the ship yard, but they would need to train me and get a security clearance for me, which they probably do not want to do.
I'm astounded that the contracts for shipbuilding doesn't seem to include penalty clauses for bad performance/missed targets! Also, you get $5000 just for keeping your job 12mths??? There's something seriously wrong with procurement in the US military.
Well, the US gov could bankrupt the shipyard or make it so the shipyard does not want to do the contract anymore. Seems like that would cause more problems. All of the USA's surface ship constructions are behind schedule. All but shutdown the ship yards for 2 years, then cry about being 1 year behind schedule.
I think that the US Navy needs to bring back at least one all up shipyard, complete with design department, to prototype, build and test ship designs before turning those designs over to civilian shipyards for serial production. Having its own yard and officers with shipbuilding experience may also allow the USN to keep closer tabs on the civilian yards with respect to wastage and poor management. As for USNS Comfort and Mercy, when those hulls come up for replacement the US government could do a lot worse than to look at designs for panamax cruise liners and adapt an existing design to fit. For instance, take off a deck or two and add more davits to create a second boat deck if possible.
My bet is they are building more LCS's. Just have the Italian build the frigate. Its their design. I remember in 2020 we could not wait for our own design, so we took a preexisting one.
Actually, the reason our debt is increasing so much is that our car-centric development pattern doesn’t generate enough tax revenue to pay for the amount of road infrastructure it requires.
If you want a real eye opener, look into Raytheon’s shenanigans regarding the GPS OCX update. Despite being hauled before Congress twice they are still milking the contact.
Because they are ultimately not going to do anything and the MIC knows it. So long as the uniparty gets its kickbacks and stocks go brrrr, who cares about the rest. If somehow the PLA overcomes its corrupts nature and actually wins in a fight, they know they will be fine as they just need to pay off CCP officials and maybe kowtow once a year.
It already kind of is. The major companies are all in the pockets of key politicians (make them rich) that allow them to do what they want. All nationalization would do it make it official, not like money that goes into the national treasury goes to the "people".
The issue American has is the managerial class. Everyone believes universities are the way but its actually trades that can make you a fortune. America needs more trades people
Maybe they could make the pay worthwhile to attract more people to join the US's *volunteer* military. Or maybe the US could go Starship Troopers? *Service guarantees Citizenship!* People who don't enlist are just civilians with minimal rights who can't vote and don't get any Federal benefits.
Its not the pay that is the problem. It is much much bigger than that. As a third gen Vet I will not let my children or grand children enlist. I cant say why without being deleted@@Teabahgeue but woke and DEI sums it up.
the US Navy needs to scrap it's entire fleet of non-functioning mothballed auxiliary vessels . . . this will save the navy billions per year . . . cost cutting is the first step of regaining lost capital . . . repayment of debts in installments from time to time . . .
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Once again. The Navy should repurchase and nationalize the Philadelphia NSY for both maintenance and New build. Past time to get serious about the massive errors made during the 90s.
That's why you don't decommission these things refurbish them you can get another 20 years out of these aircraft carriers and some of these ships better to have something than nothing
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And my employer Huntington Ingalls got butthurt bcuz they didn’t get the contract, which was basically an up-armored NSC cutter painted gray…..smh
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AUSTRALIAN HERE - and we've talked about this before.
THIS IS NOT AN AMERICAN ISSUE.
Our Navy is being just as stupid with their procurement. They are drunk on spending being egged on by an army of corrupt consultants and corrupt politicians who don't give a damn except getting re-elected.
A while back you talked bout the contracts to re-build the American Dry Docks. We have a ridiculous project to spend AU$8 Billion on a new dry dock in Perth. I'm 100% all in that we should have good (if not the best) facilities going forward. BUT WE ARE NOT GETTING VALUE FOR MONEY.
You are describing exactly the same thing. America is NOT getting value for money.
I would love to talk further with you on this.
FYI - I did my degree in aerospace at U. of Illinois. I have spent 30+ years doing industrial control systems across a variety of industries where I am seeing EXACTLY the same thing again and again. This isn't just a military thing its now rampant across the entire engineering space. Its come through to us via the economics where its more profitable to NOT deliver value than it is to deliver value and the KEY WORD is *VALUE.*
I'm certain from your background you know the term *Root Cause Analysis (RCA).* When you dig far enough into these issues of not delivering value in a timely manner. You do get to a common issue and once you realise what's driving this issue you can explain why military spending and many other issues are out of control and nobody gets what they want delivered.
When i started to look into why certain things are being manged the way they are I wasn't even looking into military spending. I was looking into electricity generation, but found the same reasons I was seeing in both manufacturing and mining where I was doing most of my work. Everywhere you go there are these consultants on huge pay packets for no apparent reason *AND all they do is interfere with getting the job done.*
This worries me because we do live in uncertain times and as the Houthis are showing it doesn't take billions and billions of dollars to throw things into chaos. All of our countries have issues we are trying to deal with like health care, education, infrastructure, security (as in military spending), employment, housing and the environment to name a few. *Look anywhere on any of these issues and there's consultants interfering with anything and everything and when you dig deeper they all studied the same things at college.*
When we can't build just frigates..... In a timely fashion..
Good grief
Our shipyard capability and lack of vendors/vendor competition is really biting us in the ass.
Also why can't FMM just pay these guys more lol. What cheapos.
@@ZeCroiSSanT950 It's almost like snuffing out capitalism/competition and replacing it with pseudo socialism/croynism/allowing all those defense mergers to then just have a ton of subcontractors under them with an increasingly stupid population leads to this.
@@rh906 Lol what? America is one of the most capitalist countries in the world. How extremist do you have to be to think America is going socialist lol?
Also companies caring more about profits than quality output is literally in tune with capitalism.
@@termitreter6545 it's a right wing talking point and a silly one at that, there are genuine cases of those things in America, but there hasn't been a "snuffing out of capitalism" in the defense industry, it's definitely become less competitive though.
Screw the shipyard. They can’t fulfill the bid give it to someone else and fine them for wasting peoples time.
Who? Their "sister" corporation who is likely ran by the same people? Capitalism hasn't been a thing in the Defense Industry since at least the 60s.
It's not that easy because we don't have that many shipyards these days. And then there's the matter of the design belonging to the winning shipyard, good luck convincing them to give up the plans to another shipyard. It's not like the old days where the military had their own designers in uniform and then the plans were given out to contractors to build. These days the military get the contractors to submit their designs and then they (the military) pick the design they like the best and the winning contractor builds it. I'm sure that there also might be some legal issues involved in taking a design from a contractor and giving it to another.
It would definitely have to be an act of Congress. @@Riceball01
Only a handful of private ones, and they have work coming out of their ears. They have the leverage not the navy unfortunately
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Thanks for your insights. They are very valuable
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The USA's military budget may seem massive but there are many factors where the US is losing capability due to high costs.
US labor is expensive people forget that roughly one-quarter of the Department of Defense's budget is for military personnel
The US over pays for many weapons for example a stinger missile that cost $25,000 in 1991, now costs more than $400,000 a 600% increase in just 3 decades.
The US navy is decommissioning more subs than they are receiving even though they only have 49 nuclear attack subs today when the requirement is 66 (set in 2016) and projected to decline to 43 by 2030, If the US wanted to ramp up the Sub building to 2.5 per year they can't without building new shipyards and that process is underway but it may be too late if a conflict happens with another great power
in short the US needs massive oversight and new competition in the defence industry, Turns out consolidation did not make a stronger defence base only a more expensive one.
Of course you will never get that oversight since the cultural rot is too deep to just "change".
Closing all those ports over the last couple decades are really coming back to bite us in the ass now. Sounds like the contracts being worked out across all of government these days is really dickin the tax payer now too.
Almost like the US is transforming into what they were supposedly fighting in the Cold War.
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We could build a new shipyard from scratch or at it previous location and have a long-term shipbuilding strategy that would allow defense contractors to plan and make it economically feasible for people to learn trades useful for shipbuilding. We could also work with the state that the shipyards are into promote people going to trade school for these skills. We should have done this a decade ago.
Fr! It’s already too late!
When my brothers went through high school in the 90's they had 2 auto shops, a wood shop, a machine shop, and a drafting class. When I got there in the early 2000's they were down to one auto shop and the wood shop but the auto shop teacher retired my senior year. The plan was "America is going to be the office of the world!" and they emphasized "People with a college degree make $1 million more in their lifetime on average!". They offered us off campus trade skill classes but only if you had a 3.5 GPA or better... so basically nobody who actually needed them could go. You combine all of this with the backdrop of China joining the WTO and immediately violating its terms to launch a trade war on the US, followed by the great recession.
Fast Forward 20~ years and the government has a surprise pikachu face as if this wasn't inevitable. Those shipyards will not hire anyone without both former military experience and trade experience. These few they hire wake up every morning and are bombarded by Amerika Bad rhetoric from both sides, get a steaming pile of culture war dumped on them, then realize they can make an extra $5 an hour on the other side of town or an extra $50k a year by opening their own business.
I have a friend who was in the Navy and is a big Stargate SG-1 fan and for his last and final reenlistment he got one of the lead actors on the show, Amanda Tapping, to do the ceremony.
The silly LCS trouble told me that the US Navy was lost and blind in it's plans. If we need Frigates and support ships it my be better to let other country's build them for us.
Doesn’t hurt that FMM has a retired admiral working for them, which helped them land the contract in the first place, over HII which already had the infrastructure in place to build the new class of frigate. HII’s design was basically an up-armored version of the NSC, painted gray. DOH!
The Navy did not want a jerry rigged NSC. FREMM has been around for a while. Also, the FFG project allows the Wisconsin shipyard to stay in business.
With all of the contracts HHI has.. it is also putting things out late, like the USS JFK and the midlife refit and refuel of the USS Washington at Newport.
It wasn’t a Jerry-rigged NSC. Carriers have nothing to do with it, since the MS shipyard would be building the frigates, they have the capacity since the NSC’s are no longer being built, and the workforce was already in place. But yet again, the Navy chose to take a chance, and this is what they get.
The Navy saw the fancy smancy birthing areas that FMM designed, and they fell for it. Luxury over functionality is NOT what wins naval battles.
@@tomwilson1006 Treating your sailors well helps a ton though. Especially for multi-mission ships like this which will likely end up seeing long endurance patrols. Seventh fleet and their ramming of tankers has shown conclusively that, among other things, a lack of creature comforts and a long deployment can be disastrous to crew performance. The best crews in the Navy are the ones with the best morale, and while good leadership is the main portion of that, not feeling like where you are is the last place on earth you want to be helps.
@@MillionFoul great leadership can make up for a lack of creature comforts significantly, whereas being extremely comfortable with bad leadership can end with very bad results. I don’t care how comfortable or good I have it, if my leadership is horrible and morale is in the dumps, you’re so miserable that it distracts from the mission and can cause deadly consequences.
I just want a new epic cruiser we can all rally around.
I mean who’s gonna hold them accountable when no other branch is held to it? Imagine what the budget would be if everything was on budget and on time…or heck just even audit fraud waste and abuse
The UK may be mothballing a few ships due to a lack of navy personnel (recruitment)
Robotics.
I've been in the Navy for close to 12 years where's my $5,000 a year
Aaron I check everyday for your updates, just love what your doing. A big thank you from the UK
Damn... The efficiency of our ship builders is reminiscent of Russian shipyards.
Much worse!
@@brianboye8025 that is downright terrifying
Russia launched more Subs in recent times than we did, many Yasens and Boreis...
If your reenlistment doesnt require a brief and ORM assessment its not worth it.
you get what you pay for, its not always better to go for the cheapest quote.
Thanks again for breaking down your topic for us land dwellers.
Coincidentally the menu on that Icebreaker later was "unspecified meat, fresh"
Contract them out to Korean and Japanese shipbuilders. I personally have no problems with this.
I’m cool with that that.
You need yards at home for maintenance and stuff. But yes, doing some shipbuilding at foreign partners would be a good warning shot across the bow of american industry.
No, but maybe the USN should try to buy some mine warfare ships or SSK from Japan.
The frigate (FREMM) is a european design, so if anything, it would be build there.
Welcome to the world Australia is in. Why do you think one of the reason the attack class got cancelled and why things cost so much to build here. Lack of labor is a huge issue here and this will probably also result in the cancellation of the Aukus sub and buying the virginia's. Our universities are good at educating chinese but not interested in training Australian's.
Aaron has been saying for YEARS now we need much more ship building capability and boy does this story scream he is right beyond money to capability.
Until we take a serious look at production and logistics realistically we are vulnerable in ways we never have been before, at least in the WW2 era we had the capability industrially to create and sustain a global "near peer" war fighting force for 2 sides of the planet, today we dont even have the base to begin to transform into what we would need, we need to start from scratch.
My fear is in a near peer fight we shoot our load of smart munitions in the first 2/4 weeks and suddenly we are in a WW1 trench war, dumb bullets are cheap and flesh is still weak, i sight the slog that is the Ukraine ground war which now resembles the western front with similar casualties just worse weather.
We also had a moral and evenly educated population. Now it is largely immoral and education is lopsided into useless social "sciences" degrees and "diversity" hiring of people unqualified, unable to learn from experienced people as they are yeeted to make room, or worse: both.
Retired USCG GMC appreciates showing some love for the sister service. We are a unique force.
Great video, Jive! Nice to see someone covering these topics. Would love to see your take on the CO of the USS Georgia being relieved.
Thanks! Will do! He got a DUI and is relieved.
Thank you!
... and this isn't even counting the recruiting and retention aspect, forward thinking, to crew all these projected planned vessels that are hard to get built.
Winning the hearts and minds of the penguins! Thanks for great info, as usual.
So saddened by our own shipyards inability to turn out ships at the same cadence as even WW2. I can only wish/hope that the ships made by China in numbers are inferior. Really hope we can maintain a tech advantage even though our own private tech companies have sold out to get cheap labor from China to make iPhones and being naïve that the Chinese govt wouldn't steal all the tech they can.
They are, but Pandaland's main problem is cultural and their people. They have more tonnage, but they are massively incompetent. Though the US military is rapidly going in that direction with its leadership and the types of people enlisting into it. In about 10-20 years, I don't think there will be much of a difference between the two.
The US Navy needs to outsource some of its functions to our allies like S Korea, Japan, and Singapore.
Things like periodic overhaul and maintenance.
Might be time to look into adding more contractors into the mix. The navy should look to see if they can do anything with the Philly shipbuilding company in Philadelphia. They have made half of the Jones Act complaint shipbuilding since 2000. And they have a good reputation in the civilian ship-building Industry
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Because of its hull designation (WAGB-10), the Polar Star is sometimes lovingly referred to as the Wandering Arctic Garbage Barge
That would be in this case the “Wandering Antarctic Garbage Patch”
Better get the USS Enterprise CVAN-80 built as fast as we can - we can't win a war without an Enterprise.
I got out of the Army just before my battalion deployed for “Deep Freeze.” Yes, you heard right--Army! The 7th Trans, stationed out of Ft. Eustus, Va. did all the port functions. They had the lighters and air cushioned craft, the stevedores, truckers, etc. for getting the ground units and cargo ashore from Merchant Marine ships. Every year, a battalion would be assigned to [I guess] resupply McMurdo, and this unit was deployed for six months, with a two or three day pass to Christchurch, New Zealand sandwiched in the middle for R & R. You actually got a ribbon for that deployment.
And I missed it, because I ETS ‘d out about six months before they went 😢.
I recall from your earlier videos about USS Connecticut waiting for repairs. It's a shame that the ship yards were closed reducing the capability to repair and maintain ships.
I’m curious if FMM will start trying to draw workers from their other yard just across the bay from them at Bay Shipbuilding. While the Great Lakes freighters get most of their major work done over the winter, it’s not impossible for them to start transferring employees back to MM for the rest of the season to boost construction forward. That, or maybe having BayShip prefabricate portions to try and speed it up that way
There's always a lot of work to do at sea and in port... unless you work in the ship's office. Those guys constantly complain about having nothing to do, and they make a point of complaining in front of people who are working.
It's nice to be on a new ship.
I think a primary reason for the abuse of the bid system stems from the abundance of black book projects. Companies taking these bids are taking their sweet time with these projects to leech off the system. Crazy places charge you more just because you are government and I've seen this with my own eyes.
If the system won't say anything, then why not keep jacking up prices. Universities do the same thing.
@@rh906 That's the problem. Discrimitory pricing. The Pentagon fails every financial audit since the history of them being audited. If they were a private company, they'd be in prison. Exactly like Tim Buchett says.
I feel like I had an aneurysm trying to figure out this video's thumbnail.
great video
Thanks!
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Build them outside of the US. There are many countries that have surplus ship building capacity and most of them are Western allied. They won't need to install the high tech electronics and weapon systems, but that is less the issue than the hulls themselves.
Short sited. Say we do this and it goes well so we outsource more and more US Navy shipbuilding overseas. A decade or 2 from now we would be over relying on other countries building our ships. This would have the effect of hurting our own shipbuilding capabilities down the road.
@@cjoin83 Not to mention you get the same thing that happened in China when you outsourced your industries. You make faux juggernauts that will dominate you because you are not going to cut off the source of their power (money) as it guaranteed massive pain for you as well.
@@cjoin83 Main reason you'd do this is to create competition and scare the american industrials that are trying to rip off the military/taxpayers.
Also mind that the contracts are there, they yards are just not actually building capacity to save money.
USA also seem to add unnecessary cost to military hardware like a special cup for crew on planes.
So is the Navy delaying it's retirement of Ticonderoga-class cruisers since the Constellation-class vessels will be delayed? If not, we're going to be in an even worse world of hurt.
Army here. In my humble opinion - large surface combatants in huge quantities doesnt make alot of sense in our force design for the future.
1. Submarines, Multi role frigates, logistic aresenal C4SIR ships, 'smarter amphibious assault ships' - are better alternative force designs
2. The above forementioned ships can supplement existing missions whilst enabling better utilization of autonomous UUV, Drone ships etc. A stealth frigate with fewer crew can mount the Aegis system and forefill the Arleigh Burke especially when operating with drone arsenal ships
3. Fewer ships means lesser spent on maintaining sustainment and operating expenses, freeing up funds for more economic alternatives of similar capabilities. For reference Seawolf vs Virginia Class of SSN
I did a rough calculation of how many ships the Navy could have built based off the average price for all ships. I found that we lost 43 ships to the Ukraine War. I wasn’t too scientific, you’re welcome to check!
We will gladly build them in Bath Maine. Even though we have 1/5 the population of Wisconsin! Here we are teaching the high school kids welding and the trades. I think It’s working.
Its being held up while the rest of the appropriate ships are fitted with the AN/SEQ-3 Laser Weapon System :)
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Not everyone pushing gold. Especially ones from the daily wire. Seems suspicious
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Pork Barrel much?
Could you not use AI images, especially for the thumbnail? It makes you look like a low quality, low informative random channel instead of the well research and experienced back channel that this really is.
There’s no accountability in government. How can we expect accountability with government contracts? Imagine fucking up multi-$billion deals and not losing your job. Thats how government works.
I believe the Philippines has the capability to build some ships as they built a Littoral Combat Ship or two in the past. France also has some capabilities to build ships. I know we want American built ships, but if we're going to make goals, then spread the work out.
Japan and South Korea are far and away our most effective allies when it comes to shipbuilding.
Its like waste fraud and abuse doesnt even exist.
Maybe we can build some navy ships out of LEGO.
Would still be more combat ready than a LCS!!!!
I am curious if the ladies at 5:34 were intending to do "ILU" instead of the rock & roll horns.
The FFG was a rushed program and a lot of design revisions were being done while the steel was being cut. I doubt anyone expected it to come in on time. The nature of the bid also allowed the Wisconsin ship yard to bid, so it was a done deal before the formal bid.
They probably won the contract due to the design and not due to the ability to meet schedule. The flu things probably also put them behind. The USS JFK was supposed to be out this year, but it got pushed back to next year. Such is life. BTW, I'm available to work in the ship yard, but they would need to train me and get a security clearance for me, which they probably do not want to do.
So….who is going to man the ships if and when they get built ?
Reputedly. the Norkie shells are so out of spec that even the Russians are sick of their awful precision and quality.
Wisconsin made quality over quantity
I'm astounded that the contracts for shipbuilding doesn't seem to include penalty clauses for bad performance/missed targets! Also, you get $5000 just for keeping your job 12mths??? There's something seriously wrong with procurement in the US military.
Well, the US gov could bankrupt the shipyard or make it so the shipyard does not want to do the contract anymore. Seems like that would cause more problems.
All of the USA's surface ship constructions are behind schedule. All but shutdown the ship yards for 2 years, then cry about being 1 year behind schedule.
An old friend's dad was in the CG and told me penguins dont like RC cars at all. 😂
Its "Mari-nett" not "Marionette" lololol im from there
I think that the US Navy needs to bring back at least one all up shipyard, complete with design department, to prototype, build and test ship designs before turning those designs over to civilian shipyards for serial production. Having its own yard and officers with shipbuilding experience may also allow the USN to keep closer tabs on the civilian yards with respect to wastage and poor management.
As for USNS Comfort and Mercy, when those hulls come up for replacement the US government could do a lot worse than to look at designs for panamax cruise liners and adapt an existing design to fit. For instance, take off a deck or two and add more davits to create a second boat deck if possible.
My bet is they are building more LCS's. Just have the Italian build the frigate. Its their design. I remember in 2020 we could not wait for our own design, so we took a preexisting one.
Italy has fairly limited capacity.
@@grahamstrouse1165 Europe has a lot of capacity, its doing a lot of shipbuilding for export.
Actually, the reason our debt is increasing so much is that our car-centric development pattern doesn’t generate enough tax revenue to pay for the amount of road infrastructure it requires.
125% OF GDP not 125% OVER GDP. The latter would be GDP + (1.25xGDP). That said, sell me all the investment strategies. Vive le math.
Build Ships means one thing: WAR
Meanwhile the Chinese are building at breakneck speed.
Well who can build now?? We should seize back the money already paid and give it to a builder who can compete the projects.
Answer, foreign shipyards.
the amount of ads IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR POINT is getting ridiculous
makes me worry about AUKUS
Why, totally different ship yard. The SSN's are built at General Dynamics Electric Boat and HHI
If you want a real eye opener, look into Raytheon’s shenanigans regarding the GPS OCX update. Despite being hauled before Congress twice they are still milking the contact.
Because they are ultimately not going to do anything and the MIC knows it. So long as the uniparty gets its kickbacks and stocks go brrrr, who cares about the rest. If somehow the PLA overcomes its corrupts nature and actually wins in a fight, they know they will be fine as they just need to pay off CCP officials and maybe kowtow once a year.
Channel fever…….the memories.
how about we nationalize the shipyard?
That's crazy talk, how is anyone supposed to get filthy rich doing that?
It already kind of is. The major companies are all in the pockets of key politicians (make them rich) that allow them to do what they want. All nationalization would do it make it official, not like money that goes into the national treasury goes to the "people".
The issue American has is the managerial class. Everyone believes universities are the way but its actually trades that can make you a fortune. America needs more trades people
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Japanese shipyards are being considered to overhaul and maintain US Navy Pacific fleet ships.
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So when you get the ships built where is the Navy going to get the crew? Maybe they can get some of the new folk coming across the border?
Maybe they could make the pay worthwhile to attract more people to join the US's *volunteer* military. Or maybe the US could go Starship Troopers? *Service guarantees Citizenship!* People who don't enlist are just civilians with minimal rights who can't vote and don't get any Federal benefits.
Its not the pay that is the problem. It is much much bigger than that. As a third gen Vet I will not let my children or grand children enlist. I cant say why without being deleted@@Teabahgeue but woke and DEI sums it up.
I get the message and as a Vet myself, I can say that a closed mind is not worth my time.@@rayc.8555
The advertisements are so out of place.
the US Navy needs to scrap it's entire fleet of non-functioning mothballed auxiliary vessels . . . this will save the navy billions per year . . . cost cutting is the first step of regaining lost capital . . . repayment of debts in installments from time to time . . .
They should fire the current contractor. Re bid.
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I find it completely LAME that the U.S. has one barely functional heavy icebreaker. Piss poor planning.
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Once again. The Navy should repurchase and nationalize the Philadelphia NSY for both maintenance and New build. Past time to get serious about the massive errors made during the 90s.
We don't have enough SSNs! Fact.
No one has the workforce to build ships in the US. Anyone want a good job?
That's why you don't decommission these things refurbish them you can get another 20 years out of these aircraft carriers and some of these ships better to have something than nothing
Lightheartedness when there is so much tension afoot is appreciated.
Insider trading is why your problems will never be resolved.
We have similar problems here in blighty but can't recruit enough sailors so it doesn't really matter.
God bless.
The US debt is 125% of the GDP not 125% higher than the GDP
Thank God I'm retired!
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