The problem with the Panthers is that the person who needs to be fired CAN'T be fired. David Tepper is too involved with football decisions. No GM or HC will ever be able to come in and do what they need to do for the team to be successful.
I'm not a panthers fan, but i agree with you %100. we all saw how the commanders was with former owner Dan Snyder did with that team. i also disagree with the idea of firing a guy in just 6 months, that's what you call zero patience. Andy Reid went 5-11 in his first year and after that he started winning. if the panthers have an owner that keeps making decision on football personnel then they will struggle every year.
@texasmade2719 you can't be serious lol. The Cowboys are at the very least competitive and usually a playoff team. Since Tepper took the reigns, the Panthers are the worst they've ever been. Literally
Bryce needs to be in the Shanahan system to excel. CJ is in the Shanahan system and that system provides a lot of max protection type of route combinations and easy reads coming off of play action.
@joelchambers3087 Exactly! He is very accurate and needs to be in an offense like that which provides easy answer for any quarterback, much less a young rookie! (see CJ Stroud)
If you fire Frank, after year one good luck getting another coach. Plus the main problem is David Tepper. Until he goes we won't have a winning season. Shit ownership is the reason we're struggling.
I am an Indianapolis fan and this season in Carolina is going exactly the way I knew it would. If you keep Reich, next year you will be having this same conversation at this point of the season, Bryce Young will not improve under him.
Steve is right. If you bring in another head coach unless it's Bill Belichick then it won't do anything but hurt the team. We need stability and a foundation. We just drafted Bryce now it is time to build around him. If you want to be honest, David Tepper is the real problem.
A part of me wants Frank and Fitt to stay through next year, just cause they fu$ked us by trading our picks. Then fire everybody. The other part of me wants to just say blow it all up this year. Either way, I don't trust Tepper to hire anyone good anyways, so I guess it doesn't really matter either way.
I agree tepper is a dope when it comes to anything football related he will just make a dumb choice in gm and the shitty gm will more than likely find a under whelming guy to be the coach that tepper will approve of
I'd say fired fitterer to make sure he can't mess up the draft picks further. Give Reich a additional year which allows the new gm to find a good head coach and not just who is left over after everyone has had their top picks.
Im very disappointed in Steve Smith comment of Frank Reich! I disagree with his views 100 percent and here is why... Jacksonville Jaguars fired two Head Coaches after one season which was Mike Mularkey and Urban Meyer. Doug Marrone took Jaguars to AFC Championship in 2017 and Doug Pederson took them to 2nd round of playoffs. So to say its not good to fire a Head Coach after one season ridiculous, ESPECIALLY, if they are experienced Head Coach in NFL. Houston Texans fired two Head Coaches (David Culley and Lovie Smith) back to back years to hire DeMeco Ryans and look at their season so far..... The David Culley hire was a joke cause GM Nick Caserio was gonna hire Josh McDaniels as Texans new HC but he chose the Las Vegas Raiders with another New England Patriot GM. Caserio then tried to hire Josh McCown (Carolina Panthers QB Coach and Asst) with no NFL Head Coaching experience which lead them to promote Lovie Smith cause Brian Flores lawsuit had Texans as one of the teams discriminating of not hiring Black Head Coaches. Frank Reich is NOT a ROOKIE NFL HEAD COACH, he was in a worse situation with Indianapolis Colts when they hired JOSH MCDANIELS as HC and MCDANIELS DECLINED the position the COLTS hurried and hired Frank Reich as their new Head Coach with all staff already hired and players already signed and drafted. Frank Reich started the season as his first year at HC at 1-5 then he coached them back to finishing the season at 10-6 defeating the Texans in first round of playoffs making it to 2nd round. Keep in mind the offensive coordinator (Nick Siriani Eagles HC) and defensive coordinator (Matt Eberflus Bears HC) were already hired before Frank Reich. Although Andrew Luck retired, Frank Reich still was successful in AFC South with the following QBs Matt Hasselbeck, Jacoby Brissett, Matt Ryan, Carson Wentz, Phillip Rivers and Sam Ehlinger and Reich was fired after a 3-5-1 start in middle of season. Frank Reich is no rookie HC, he was an NFL QB, Offensive Coordinator , QB Coach, Head Coach and was on a Superbowl winning team. He should NOT get the same leway as Matt Rhule who has never been an NFL Player, nor an NFL Head Coach yet Matt Rhule first season as Carolina Panthers Head Coach was better than Frank Reich and Frank Reich chose his own staff and had a say in who he draft who he sign and what offensive and defensive scheme he wants to use. A rookie Head Coach may deserve another year for progress but not a first year Head Coach starting 1-9 with all the NFL experience at QB and Coaching that comes with Frank Reich resume. Rookie Head Coaches from Texans , Cardinals and Colts are expected to have bad seasons their first season, not an experienced Head Coach his first year with full control of his staff and roster.
@@stacyturbeville6863 Colts had bad ownership, Texans have bad ownership...A lot of teams have bad ownership and it's not easy to become a Head Coach in a league of 32 teams. He can quit but his record not good enough to get another Head Coaching job in NFL. Teams going towards successful coaches and young new coaches.
@@texasmade2719 Mann we Had Cam, CMAC, DJ Moore and Greg Olsen on the same damn team with a 2 time Coach of the year to boot! Annnd a top 5 defense We we're building something great!! Tepper F'd this team you have no idea if you're not a panthers fan!
I may be wrong but I feel that this trash of a team falls more on Scott Fitter! HE was hired because HE knew how to properly EVALUATE player talent and KNEW how to BUILD a franchise and HE has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for over 3yrs! Yes Tepper bares a lot of the blame too but Fitter still CHOSE these weak FA and made these BAD TRADE DEALS KILLING OUR DRAFT CAPITAL!!! As for Frank Reich, IMO he should’ve never even been considered just because of his coaching in Indy! He had a much better roster and HE turned it into what we are now!!! Restart by first getting rid of Fitter because he has had time and has not produced, hire a GM from Philly or San Fran and let HIM choose a HC!!!!
Can we have an episode on David Tepper. Like we want to get rid of coaches so quick we keep forgetting to hold Tepper accountable for all these stupid hires and stupid fires.
The offense has been prosaic. We have given away our best players over consecutive season’s beginning with Stephon Gilmore. Hassan Reddick, CMC, DJ Moore, and a host of draft picks as well. The culture hasn’t been adequately established. Our future draft capital has been mortgaged for an unproven QB. Demonstrably great players have been exchanged for neophytes when I don’t think that’s what the time required. Bryce is a good qb to me but also how many starters are 5th round picks or greater? Scouting is imperative
I was a fan of 89 on the field but I'm about tired of his ass talking. He don't ever want to blame anybody with the Panthers. He just ducks and deflects, never pointing the finger at anybody associated with the team because he is affiliated with the organization and sees the players, and front office people frequently. Stop asking Steve Smith ANYTHING!
I have come to not respect anything Smith says. He will bash ppl on other teams, but with Carolina, he seems, IMO, to be kissing butt to climb the ladder. I knew when Frank interviewed for the job, he would be a bad hire. I knew when Bryce was drafted, it was a huge mistake. The ppl in charge can't admit they screwed up in royal fashion. The fans can't deal with the idea of 2 more bad years. They make excuses. What part of the decisions made, did Smith have? There seems to be a lot of excuses and kissing up going on here.
The issue is gm. Lets start with cmac and dj moore. Both combined make 32 milluon a year. We got a 2nd and 3rd for cmac and a 1st basicly for dj. We trade both of them when burns gives you more capital in draft with 2 1sts and a 3nd and he wants 30 mill. Now you have a qb with no rb or wr. And a de you could have traded but now cant pay. The owner forced frank to keep the oline coach and the worst part of the team is the oline. He clearly wanted cj and instead we take bryce. This lands on owner and gm. Wilks and reich both never got a chance.
1. If CJ Stroud failed, Frank would still be coaching Carolina. 2. Tepper is treating this team like a poorly ran fantasy football team. 3. The GM should have been fired first.
The Panthers are gonna have to do like the Eagles back in the day and hold like a open tryout to see if there’s anybody in the fucking city of Charlotte they can play football with some guts and brains
Mann we Had Cam, CMAC, DJ Moore and Greg Olsen on the same damn team with a 2 time Coach of the year to boot! Annnd a top 5 defense! We we're building something great!! Tepper F'd this team you have no idea if you're not a panthers fan!
Why blame Coach Reich for the entire collapse of the offensive line. GM Scott Fittier signed and drafted these players. Coach Reich kept offensive line coach campen to keep the process. I believe Coach Campen and GM Scott Fittier should be fired
I’m under the assumption our micro managing owner maybe a bit racist, anytime he spoke about wilks or was mentioned he looked in disgust, this owner is all about him he doesn’t give a damn what’s best for the team as long as that check clears
Your points are fairly flawed but it's a hot take era. Meyer and Lawrence are a terrible comp. Meyer was a total disaster as a coach and a person. Bryce Young is no TrevorLawrence. That situation was easy to fix. One could make the same point about the Dolphins and Brian Flores who was a disaster even though he had a .509 record. McDaniel is kind of a genius and they aren't common. Who are the Panthers going to get next? And if a team just blows through coaches like the Raiders, eventually word gets out and no one wants to coach your team.
Both of you have flawed points about this. I agree people like to pick and choose the comparisons of scenarios involving team building such as Manning’s early career, or the Meyer/Jags fiasco, but in reality, this is its own tricky situation, not in the sense that it’s more difficult than those in years past, just different qualities about it. “Bryce is no TLaw” Ummm ok, imo Burrow, TLaw, and Cam are in their own tier of college prospects. But Bryce is an immense talent in his own right, the consensus of knowledgeable draft folk having him as the clear no. 1 prospect and having the film to prove it. “That situation was easy to fix.” Uhhh not really. The 2022 Jags struggled heavily in the early to mid stages of that season, but did end up finding that magic and letting TLaw with his immense talent cut loose on the league. Even now, obviously the Jags are a force to be reckoned with, but still questionable whether they can take down a top tier team in the playoffs (not Brandon Staley lol) I agree the McDaniel level of genius isn’t common, but let’s not act like there aren’t UPCOMING candidates on other teams that are projected to have HC opportunities come their way. Ben Johnson (Lions), Bobby Slowik (Texans) just to name a couple. “Word gets out that no one wants to coach your team” It depends. Let’s not forget that the Texans (the team that everyone is raving about nowadays) just came off back to back different coaches in David Culley and Lovie Smith. The opportunity came up for Demeco and Slowik once they could build their team how they want, Slowik coaching up the no. 2 pick (Stroud) and Demeco being the pack leader to his former team and defensive mind. I can’t lie a Ben Johnson would be a great candidate for this team, but overall there just has to be a cultural change here in Carolina. The problem with Frank is not that he doesn’t understand the ins and outs of the game or being a POS like Meyer, but that his approach to the game is like trying to fit triangular blocks in a square hole. The O-line issue is the most glaring example as they try to implement a zone-style scheme, with a personnel (even tho they’ve had their share of injuries) particularly only succeeded when they embraced power options and had a strong dose of run attacks with Wilks. I’m all for letting guys finish out and give it their all tho, but I can tell this is just not going to work. The way this team is ran currently is not a Tee Higgins or Chris Olave away from being a playoff team, they haven’t even cracked mediocrity with this guy at the helm. The porous draft classes don’t help the Panthers case either.
What system? A boring offence? Spent thanksgiving and Friday watching some great offensive minds. Frank ain’t that if panthers want to stop being mid or worse he needs to be fired.
Going into 2023, the Panthers were suspect at a lot of positions anyway but really what's burned them is what has burned a lot of organizations---terrible, horrible, frankly blown drafts. Outside of their first rounders (you can bunch in Burns, CMC, and DJ Moore) you have a ton of blown mid-round to late picks that aren't even on the roster anymore. Heck CMC was traded for pennies on the dollar. Player personnel (outside of free agency which is always a crap shoot) has to be on point otherwise whatever QB you bring in (first round or otherwise) has got nothing--you don't even know what you have in Bryce because the roster is built like a house of cards. Quarterback extremely important yes but look to the 49ers or Eagles as far as how to built a team in today's NFL. Built on the O and D line inside out (like HOF John Lynch, Parcells, or Howie Roseman)---and EVEN though Trey Lance was a bust for San Fran guess what? They turned to a talent Purdy (biggest story in the league and steal in the draft as Mr. Irrelevant---didn't matter that Trey Lance didn't work out BECAUSE the 49ers have the skill position talent on both the lines---stars at tight end and receiver and depth at running back (A star in Mr. CMC himself). They have an identity. The Panthers have none of that---a ton of wasted draft capital though! As far as Reich, I agree with you JM. All due respect to Frank--he's an excellent football man and STILL I believe a good coach but he was put into a bad position by this owner and the way this Panthers team was constructed. It's obvious there was no plan to support Bryce. Still time for Bryce but ultimately here's what needs to happen. The owner needs to hire a great personnel guy or gm--let that guy hire the coach then let those "football guys" build this team (and if Tepper wants a winner he needs to get his thumb off the scale and back off). You have to be patient and have a firm plan in place---live with some lean times but see some progress that's how winners are built in the NFL. There is no instant way to get to be a playoff or Super Bowl contender. You can't take short cuts.
This channel’s take is as clueless as Tepper. The QB situations cited - Peyton Manning, Trevor Lawrence - leave out the fact that both of those guys had weapons on offense & defense.
Giving Bryce and this turd roster all the excuses in the world but not cutting Frank any slack? Bryce’s limitation is the reason for bland playbook and also you said Frank was responsible for bringing players in free agency? I’m really questioning you knowledge of NFL football
Look this is a crummy organization the Jets of the South. Who wants that job? Some unknown untried guy? Some Offensive guru 28 yrs old ? 5ft 9 rookie QB they gave up 2 yrs picks for no receivers roughed up defense about to get worse. The only good thing they are in a weak division. Given the division they play in this is a really really bad team they have coaches everywhere and are 1and 9 WOW. It’s the Organization not the coach
It is funny that Bryce is getting just as much time has the other 31 QB. If Frank needs to go then we got to admit the Bryce is a bust. Guess you cannot admit this or will ever admit this. To say that a OC has no hands on the development of a QB is stupid. I just think Bryce isn’t as good has hyped.
The problem with the Panthers is that the person who needs to be fired CAN'T be fired. David Tepper is too involved with football decisions. No GM or HC will ever be able to come in and do what they need to do for the team to be successful.
I'm not a panthers fan, but i agree with you %100. we all saw how the commanders was with former owner Dan Snyder did with that team. i also disagree with the idea of firing a guy in just 6 months, that's what you call zero patience. Andy Reid went 5-11 in his first year and after that he started winning. if the panthers have an owner that keeps making decision on football personnel then they will struggle every year.
Exactly right 🎯
1 million percent Tepper has got to go.. but can't. Gosh we in bad shape
How is he any different then Jerry Jones being too much involved with Dallas Cowboys?
@texasmade2719 you can't be serious lol. The Cowboys are at the very least competitive and usually a playoff team. Since Tepper took the reigns, the Panthers are the worst they've ever been. Literally
Dude you are a natural! Nothing ever flat or boring. Keep going!!!
Exactly how I see it… start your GM search immediately. Let him bring in a new coach.
Bryce needs to be in the Shanahan system to excel. CJ is in the Shanahan system and that system provides a lot of max protection type of route combinations and easy reads coming off of play action.
can ya imagine him in place of purdy? you'd have a very accurate passer that you would have a hard time spying because of the run game being so strong
@joelchambers3087 Exactly! He is very accurate and needs to be in an offense like that which provides easy answer for any quarterback, much less a young rookie! (see CJ Stroud)
Frank never got to pick his quarterback makes all the difference in the world
Amen to Steve Smith.
If you fire Frank, after year one good luck getting another coach. Plus the main problem is David Tepper. Until he goes we won't have a winning season. Shit ownership is the reason we're struggling.
I am an Indianapolis fan and this season in Carolina is going exactly the way I knew it would. If you keep Reich, next year you will be having this same conversation at this point of the season, Bryce Young will not improve under him.
Love the content!!!
Steve is right. If you bring in another head coach unless it's Bill Belichick then it won't do anything but hurt the team. We need stability and a foundation. We just drafted Bryce now it is time to build around him. If you want to be honest, David Tepper is the real problem.
A part of me wants Frank and Fitt to stay through next year, just cause they fu$ked us by trading our picks. Then fire everybody. The other part of me wants to just say blow it all up this year. Either way, I don't trust Tepper to hire anyone good anyways, so I guess it doesn't really matter either way.
I agree tepper is a dope when it comes to anything football related he will just make a dumb choice in gm and the shitty gm will more than likely find a under whelming guy to be the coach that tepper will approve of
I'd say fired fitterer to make sure he can't mess up the draft picks further. Give Reich a additional year which allows the new gm to find a good head coach and not just who is left over after everyone has had their top picks.
Steve Smith was a great receiver. Full stop.
Im very disappointed in Steve Smith comment of Frank Reich! I disagree with his views 100 percent and here is why...
Jacksonville Jaguars fired two Head Coaches after one season which was Mike Mularkey and Urban Meyer. Doug Marrone took Jaguars to AFC Championship in 2017 and Doug Pederson took them to 2nd round of playoffs. So to say its not good to fire a Head Coach after one season ridiculous, ESPECIALLY, if they are experienced Head Coach in NFL.
Houston Texans fired two Head Coaches (David Culley and Lovie Smith) back to back years to hire DeMeco Ryans and look at their season so far..... The David Culley hire was a joke cause GM Nick Caserio was gonna hire Josh McDaniels as Texans new HC but he chose the Las Vegas Raiders with another New England Patriot GM. Caserio then tried to hire Josh McCown (Carolina Panthers QB Coach and Asst) with no NFL Head Coaching experience which lead them to promote Lovie Smith cause Brian Flores lawsuit had Texans as one of the teams discriminating of not hiring Black Head Coaches.
Frank Reich is NOT a ROOKIE NFL HEAD COACH, he was in a worse situation with Indianapolis Colts when they hired JOSH MCDANIELS as HC and MCDANIELS DECLINED the position the COLTS hurried and hired Frank Reich as their new Head Coach with all staff already hired and players already signed and drafted.
Frank Reich started the season as his first year at HC at 1-5 then he coached them back to finishing the season at 10-6 defeating the Texans in first round of playoffs making it to 2nd round.
Keep in mind the offensive coordinator (Nick Siriani Eagles HC) and defensive coordinator (Matt Eberflus Bears HC) were already hired before Frank Reich.
Although Andrew Luck retired, Frank Reich still was successful in AFC South with the following QBs Matt Hasselbeck, Jacoby Brissett, Matt Ryan, Carson Wentz, Phillip Rivers and Sam Ehlinger and Reich was fired after a 3-5-1 start in middle of season.
Frank Reich is no rookie HC, he was an NFL QB, Offensive Coordinator , QB Coach, Head Coach and was on a Superbowl winning team.
He should NOT get the same leway as Matt Rhule who has never been an NFL Player, nor an NFL Head Coach yet Matt Rhule first season as Carolina Panthers Head Coach was better than Frank Reich and Frank Reich chose his own staff and had a say in who he draft who he sign and what offensive and defensive scheme he wants to use.
A rookie Head Coach may deserve another year for progress but not a first year Head Coach starting 1-9 with all the NFL experience at QB and Coaching that comes with Frank Reich resume. Rookie Head Coaches from Texans , Cardinals and Colts are expected to have bad seasons their first season, not an experienced Head Coach his first year with full control of his staff and roster.
Reich has no chance because Tepper is picking bad players. The problem is ownership. Reich should quit on his own.
@@stacyturbeville6863 Colts had bad ownership, Texans have bad ownership...A lot of teams have bad ownership and it's not easy to become a Head Coach in a league of 32 teams. He can quit but his record not good enough to get another Head Coaching job in NFL. Teams going towards successful coaches and young new coaches.
@@texasmade2719 Mann we Had Cam, CMAC, DJ Moore and Greg Olsen on the same damn team with a 2 time Coach of the year to boot! Annnd a top 5 defense We we're building something great!! Tepper F'd this team you have no idea if you're not a panthers fan!
Well spoken brother. I subscribed. Very sapid perspective.
1000% Agree. Keep up the great content!
I may be wrong but I feel that this trash of a team falls more on Scott Fitter! HE was hired because HE knew how to properly EVALUATE player talent and KNEW how to BUILD a franchise and HE has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for over 3yrs! Yes Tepper bares a lot of the blame too but Fitter still CHOSE these weak FA and made these BAD TRADE DEALS KILLING OUR DRAFT CAPITAL!!! As for Frank Reich, IMO he should’ve never even been considered just because of his coaching in Indy! He had a much better roster and HE turned it into what we are now!!! Restart by first getting rid of Fitter because he has had time and has not produced, hire a GM from Philly or San Fran and let HIM choose a HC!!!!
Can we have an episode on David Tepper. Like we want to get rid of coaches so quick we keep forgetting to hold Tepper accountable for all these stupid hires and stupid fires.
I grew up watching teams being patient now cause joe did good your guy has to be joe that don’t work in real life
Take the Duke Jersey down and put a UNC Jersey up!!
We absolutely should have kept Steve Wilks
The offense has been prosaic. We have given away our best players over consecutive season’s beginning with Stephon Gilmore. Hassan Reddick, CMC, DJ Moore, and a host of draft picks as well. The culture hasn’t been adequately established. Our future draft capital has been mortgaged for an unproven QB. Demonstrably great players have been exchanged for neophytes when I don’t think that’s what the time required. Bryce is a good qb to me but also how many starters are 5th round picks or greater? Scouting is imperative
I was a fan of 89 on the field but I'm about tired of his ass talking. He don't ever want to blame anybody with the Panthers. He just ducks and deflects, never pointing the finger at anybody associated with the team because he is affiliated with the organization and sees the players, and front office people frequently. Stop asking Steve Smith ANYTHING!
I have come to not respect anything Smith says. He will bash ppl on other teams, but with Carolina, he seems, IMO, to be kissing butt to climb the ladder. I knew when Frank interviewed for the job, he would be a bad hire. I knew when Bryce was drafted, it was a huge mistake. The ppl in charge can't admit they screwed up in royal fashion. The fans can't deal with the idea of 2 more bad years. They make excuses. What part of the decisions made, did Smith have? There seems to be a lot of excuses and kissing up going on here.
The issue is gm. Lets start with cmac and dj moore. Both combined make 32 milluon a year. We got a 2nd and 3rd for cmac and a 1st basicly for dj. We trade both of them when burns gives you more capital in draft with 2 1sts and a 3nd and he wants 30 mill. Now you have a qb with no rb or wr. And a de you could have traded but now cant pay. The owner forced frank to keep the oline coach and the worst part of the team is the oline. He clearly wanted cj and instead we take bryce. This lands on owner and gm. Wilks and reich both never got a chance.
1. If CJ Stroud failed, Frank would still be coaching Carolina. 2. Tepper is treating this team like a poorly ran fantasy football team. 3. The GM should have been fired first.
The Panthers are gonna have to do like the Eagles back in the day and hold like a open tryout to see if there’s anybody in the fucking city of Charlotte they can play football with some guts and brains
The coaches are not holding the players responsible for their crap
The fact that frank is being so arrogant when he’s not putting Andy dalton him even they have him as a QB when Bryce young is playing scared is crazy
I see your point, but I think it either way has its pros and cons. Bryce needs the snaps but, will it ruin his confidence moving forward?
The Panthers ever had 2 winning years in a row? Is it the coaches or the front office? Great post, brother!
They certainly have we are the only team in NFC south that have won our division 3 years in a row.
Ok we are the first to win 3 years in a row,I forgot bout dem saints 😂they have won four years in a row but anyways.
@@zackellson683 Thank you for the reply. II listen to a lot of Chicago radio and they mention the Panthers every day.
@@zackellson683we never had back to back winning seasons, but we did win the division 3 yrs n a row
Mann we Had Cam, CMAC, DJ Moore and Greg Olsen on the same damn team with a 2 time Coach of the year to boot! Annnd a top 5 defense! We we're building something great!! Tepper F'd this team you have no idea if you're not a panthers fan!
Why blame Coach Reich for the entire collapse of the offensive line. GM Scott Fittier signed and drafted these players. Coach Reich kept offensive line coach campen to keep the process. I believe Coach Campen and GM Scott Fittier should be fired
I’m under the assumption our micro managing owner maybe a bit racist, anytime he spoke about wilks or was mentioned he looked in disgust, this owner is all about him he doesn’t give a damn what’s best for the team as long as that check clears
Your points are fairly flawed but it's a hot take era. Meyer and Lawrence are a terrible comp. Meyer was a total disaster as a coach and a person. Bryce Young is no TrevorLawrence. That situation was easy to fix. One could make the same point about the Dolphins and Brian Flores who was a disaster even though he had a .509 record. McDaniel is kind of a genius and they aren't common.
Who are the Panthers going to get next?
And if a team just blows through coaches like the Raiders, eventually word gets out and no one wants to coach your team.
Both of you have flawed points about this.
I agree people like to pick and choose the comparisons of scenarios involving team building such as Manning’s early career, or the Meyer/Jags fiasco, but in reality, this is its own tricky situation, not in the sense that it’s more difficult than those in years past, just different qualities about it.
“Bryce is no TLaw”
Ummm ok, imo Burrow, TLaw, and Cam are in their own tier of college prospects. But Bryce is an immense talent in his own right, the consensus of knowledgeable draft folk having him as the clear no. 1 prospect and having the film to prove it.
“That situation was easy to fix.”
Uhhh not really. The 2022 Jags struggled heavily in the early to mid stages of that season, but did end up finding that magic and letting TLaw with his immense talent cut loose on the league. Even now, obviously the Jags are a force to be reckoned with, but still questionable whether they can take down a top tier team in the playoffs (not Brandon Staley lol)
I agree the McDaniel level of genius isn’t common, but let’s not act like there aren’t UPCOMING candidates on other teams that are projected to have HC opportunities come their way. Ben Johnson (Lions), Bobby Slowik (Texans) just to name a couple.
“Word gets out that no one wants to coach your team”
It depends. Let’s not forget that the Texans (the team that everyone is raving about nowadays) just came off back to back different coaches in David Culley and Lovie Smith. The opportunity came up for Demeco and Slowik once they could build their team how they want, Slowik coaching up the no. 2 pick (Stroud) and Demeco being the pack leader to his former team and defensive mind.
I can’t lie a Ben Johnson would be a great candidate for this team, but overall there just has to be a cultural change here in Carolina. The problem with Frank is not that he doesn’t understand the ins and outs of the game or being a POS like Meyer, but that his approach to the game is like trying to fit triangular blocks in a square hole. The O-line issue is the most glaring example as they try to implement a zone-style scheme, with a personnel (even tho they’ve had their share of injuries) particularly only succeeded when they embraced power options and had a strong dose of run attacks with Wilks.
I’m all for letting guys finish out and give it their all tho, but I can tell this is just not going to work. The way this team is ran currently is not a Tee Higgins or Chris Olave away from being a playoff team, they haven’t even cracked mediocrity with this guy at the helm. The porous draft classes don’t help the Panthers case either.
These old football players, do alot of shucking and jiving. It's obvious Smitty is on Tepper payroll some how
Love agent 89 but he’s way off base. You do not deserve another year as a coach if you win 1-3 games. Tepper needs to clean house.
Need to get rid of Tepper ass
There's no justifying 1-9
Scott Fitterer is the blame for the product on the field we should have kept Wilks
GM does not put on a uniform and go play in the game nor does he coach the team from the sidelines
What system? A boring offence? Spent thanksgiving and Friday watching some great offensive minds. Frank ain’t that if panthers want to stop being mid or worse he needs to be fired.
Going into 2023, the Panthers were suspect at a lot of positions anyway but really what's burned them is what has burned a lot of organizations---terrible, horrible, frankly blown drafts. Outside of their first rounders (you can bunch in Burns, CMC, and DJ Moore) you have a ton of blown mid-round to late picks that aren't even on the roster anymore. Heck CMC was traded for pennies on the dollar. Player personnel (outside of free agency which is always a crap shoot) has to be on point otherwise whatever QB you bring in (first round or otherwise) has got nothing--you don't even know what you have in Bryce because the roster is built like a house of cards. Quarterback extremely important yes but look to the 49ers or Eagles as far as how to built a team in today's NFL. Built on the O and D line inside out (like HOF John Lynch, Parcells, or Howie Roseman)---and EVEN though Trey Lance was a bust for San Fran guess what? They turned to a talent Purdy (biggest story in the league and steal in the draft as Mr. Irrelevant---didn't matter that Trey Lance didn't work out BECAUSE the 49ers have the skill position talent on both the lines---stars at tight end and receiver and depth at running back (A star in Mr. CMC himself). They have an identity. The Panthers have none of that---a ton of wasted draft capital though!
As far as Reich, I agree with you JM. All due respect to Frank--he's an excellent football man and STILL I believe a good coach but he was put into a bad position by this owner and the way this Panthers team was constructed. It's obvious there was no plan to support Bryce. Still time for Bryce but ultimately here's what needs to happen. The owner needs to hire a great personnel guy or gm--let that guy hire the coach then let those "football guys" build this team (and if Tepper wants a winner he needs to get his thumb off the scale and back off). You have to be patient and have a firm plan in place---live with some lean times but see some progress that's how winners are built in the NFL. There is no instant way to get to be a playoff or Super Bowl contender. You can't take short cuts.
stop comparing. the point is everybody needs a real chance. Some of you fans try and justify your feelings like women.. Give him a chance
This channel’s take is as clueless as Tepper. The QB situations cited - Peyton Manning, Trevor Lawrence - leave out the fact that both of those guys had weapons on offense & defense.
Giving Bryce and this turd roster all the excuses in the world but not cutting Frank any slack? Bryce’s limitation is the reason for bland playbook and also you said Frank was responsible for bringing players in free agency? I’m really questioning you knowledge of NFL football
Look this is a crummy organization the Jets of the South.
Who wants that job? Some unknown untried guy? Some Offensive guru 28 yrs old ? 5ft 9 rookie QB they gave up 2 yrs picks for no receivers roughed up defense about to get worse. The only good thing they are in a weak division. Given the division they play in this is a really really bad team they have coaches everywhere and are 1and 9 WOW. It’s the Organization not the coach
Just an absolutely idiotic take from Steve Smith (as always). The same guy who advocated for Mingo, who’s a bust. Frank is terrible and needs to go
It is funny that Bryce is getting just as much time has the other 31 QB. If Frank needs to go then we got to admit the Bryce is a bust. Guess you cannot admit this or will ever admit this. To say that a OC has no hands on the development of a QB is stupid. I just think Bryce isn’t as good has hyped.