I watched it with an open mind. It was awful. Even forgetting all the lore breaking moments (and there was plenty of that), the acting and especially the writing, were terrible. You know when it's terrible when people are hoping that their favourite Star Wars characters don't make an appearance just for them to get ruined... soz.
While I agree with a lot of what you said, there are some major things you glossed over or underplayed the relevance of: 1: The reason people dislike the fact that the coven created life from the force is that Anakin was created by the force as a tool for balance (which he ultimately accomplished) and characters like Darth Plegueis had tried to do this for years. This situation not only makes Anakin's existence far less special, but also makes powerful force users like Plegueis seem incompetent (which they are not, they rival jedi masters like Yoda). These witches should not be able to do things better than these sith/jedi especially with how easily they die. 2: Mundi now knows there were Jedi dying in significant numbers and willfully hid that from the council (which is the only way the scene in the phantom menace works) which is not only corrupt, but also incredibly stupid on his part because he would have lost nothing by telling the council and would have been able to neutralize the threat before further casualties occurred. This also paints Yoda as either extremely incompetent (either forgetting to use the force to sense the deception or just ignoring it on purpose) or straight up corrupt. The corrupt angle doesn't really work because why would Mundi bother saying that if Yoda was already in on it. It doesn't matter if he knew it was Sith or not (which I would argue is a fair assessment of a rogue jedi murdering other jedi) because ultimately it was a threat that makes the whole "time of peace for the jedi" thing a complete lie. It isn't canon breaking like the force babies (making the prophecy worthless), but it does make the jedi seem incompetent and corrupt (which in this era they aren't to this degree. They are sedentary and complacent, not covering up massive jedi death.) 3: The pitch meeting video explains this point very well. The world doesn't feel real. You touched on this but it's a lot bigger deal than you made it to be, as the entire story wouldn't have happened if the story was realistic. The coven leader turning into a smoke monster instead of saying "we were going to let her become a jedi" is a huge one. The STONE building igniting at all is incredibly silly (why not just have them in a wooden structure to make that work?). Sol not just grabbing the girls instead of the bridge (which is established he can do without issue, which makes it even more frustrating). Characters like Torbin having their motives/goals change every scene (one minute he defends himself, then she brings him poison and NOW he wants to die? Why even write that. Just guilt trip him into dying the first time she comes to kill him.). The twins feel like the worst offenders of this, switching their goals and motives so much that it's kind of hard to track why they are even doing what they are doing in a given scene. All of the witches dying after the connection is broken is absurd, full stop (they are clearly powerful, dying like that is pathetic). The mind wiping trick done by Qimir in legends is far harder and takes multiple masters to do (and if it is that easy in canon, why isn't he doing that right before every fight. Do they have to be willing? It's poorly explained). There are many more examples, but I've already written a damn near essay as is. In conclusion: This show is full of plot holes and narrative beats that don't make sense if you put yourself in the shoes of the characters. Compound that with the canon breaking or canon bending situations/implications and you get an audience that is very upset and questioning why the show even exists in the first place. Personally I would have loved if this was in the old republic era, and this really was a corrupt jedi falling to the sith covering up situations while a truly noble jedi attempts to save a child and ultimately ends up putting her in a situation where she falls to the dark side. But because of the time period, the character choices, and the narrative structure, I'm left with a bad taste in my mouth similar to that of book of boba fett (I honestly can't decide which is worse). There are plenty of mediocre shows out there (MCU has more than a few examples), this one is beyond that. It's garbage.
Ehhh, I disagree that Osha and Mae's existence makes Anakin's feel worthless or insignificant. It's not a "oh-this-happens-every-Tuesday" sort of situation. It's only happened twice in canon so far. And the way the idea is presented in both the prequels and The Acolyte is so vague that I'm wary of making any definitive comparisons beyond the obvious. Yes, you can draw on external material like Legends, but from what I've seen, either fans or Legends itself can't seem to agree on how Plageuis' attempt at creating life really went down, so I'm equally wary of relying on that. I can kind of understand your second point, but Mundi wasn't really the one hiding anything, Vernestra was. If you want to label her as corrupt for that, I could understand that, but saying the Jedi as a whole are corrupt because of that feels like a stretch. Ultimately, we have yet to see how the rest of the Jedi reacted to her claims of Sol going rogue. Oh yeah, I'm not denying there's a LOT of problems with how both the plot and characters function. My bad if it seemed I was downplaying it, I just didn't want to go very deeply into it because it would take SO long to address every single illogical decision that was made across the series, and the video was already almost half an hour long 😅 Though I don't recall the twins' motives changing that much. Do you mind giving some examples?
@@imyouralibi6208 Just wanna add a couple of cents in here. The way I see it, bad writing aside, the majority of DSW material takes away, retcons, or flat out deconstructs the magic of the original films. This is what is happening in The Acolyte when placed alongside the Chosen One prophecy. This quasi-Christian fable was self-contained and needed no further explanation to maintain its adherents. The Acolyte is like someone suddenly adding a new book to the Bible, which claims someone else asked God to father their child well before Jesus and God gave that mother twins. I don't think it would go down well. The whole premise of the show was to paint the Jedi in an unkind light - attempting to deconstruct themes of colonial, cult and police power dynamics in an extremely bad faith manner. Headland literally said these are not George Lucus' Jedi, but (at least in this era - both in the show and in our world) they need to be. They need to be the best examples of the Jedi we've seen, because we really haven't had that, ever (collectively speaking).
1. I agree with your first point to an extent, except the difference is, the witches never created life. They took one conscience and split it between 2 people. Meaning that Osha and Mae will not have a different Force Signature, as they are the same person in different bodies. Plagueis created life from the ground up, which is why he was such an interesting character. He never had to cheat by means of shortcuts to create life, he was more powerful than that. 2. Mundi wasn't hiding the info. Venestra was, and she is ESTABLISHED to be a corrupt Jedi. That doesn't mean that the Jedi as a whole are corrupt. 3. Valid points!
@@imyouralibi6208No, that's not how it works. If a piece of media is in the public domain, it can be objectively evaluated. Any argument based on the relativism of individual experience is intellectual cowardice. There’s nothing wrong with enjoying a lousy movie or a silly cartoon. However, it remains a lousy movie and a silly cartoon.
@@СергейМатвеев-ш1э You're right, it can be objectively evaluated, which is what I did. Treating this review as if it's purely based in my "relativistic experience" is just a groundless assumption on your part.
@@imyouralibi6208It isn't groundless, it's pretty obvious. Any time you say: "I feel", "I think", "I *whatever*", your argument becomes completely subjective. Objective critical analysis requires logic and knowledge of star wars and basic narrative structure. Which is something this show lacks completely to an absurd level. You just like it because it fits your values and preferences, but this show is an objective abomination as a star wars and narrative product.
Respectfully…I have so many issues with what you deemed as acceptable. Can’t type it all out though, ‘cause it’s a lot. I will say, I do agree with most of your criticisms, but ultimately I feel like this is one of the worst Disney Star Wars products to date. Definitely the most pretentious. Can’t wait to watch the Skeleton Crew and be disappointed yet again this fall. But, if I had to say something nice about the Acolyte, I will say I really enjoy Lee Jung Jae as Sol, and I wish the show had just been about him, Jecki and Yord and their adventures as space detectives. Kinda like the dynamic between Obi-Wan, Ahsoka and Anakin.
As someone who was supporting the idea of the acolyte way before it came out, i will definitely say i was disappointed with what we got. Of course there were some things i liked about the show but overall i thought it was a bit too inconsistent lore wise and the miscommunication / lack there of really bothered me quite a bit😂. Another thing id like to add is even if you don't look at it lore wise or if you chose to take off your starwars glasses and looked at it individually as a project (even excluding anything politically motivated as well) i still don't see it being the most successful out there. One thing i definitely agree with you on and im sure everyone else does too, the fight choreography is certainly worth giving credit for. In my opinion nothing has been able to beat and or match the prequels yet, but id say the fight scenes we see in acolyte is probably the best we've seen since the prequels
With the show being over, I didn't like it. The creators interviews have made it much worse now. "Qimir is not a sith" said the fans of the show. The creator has come out to say "Qimir is the apprentice of Darth Plagueis". If the 2 jedi from the temple with Torbin learned of what Sol is accused of, they were with Sol when Torbin died and could break the lie easily. The show wants to show the jedi as bad or evil, instead they are shown as incompetent or act in a way that doesn't fit the mannerisms of the Jedi. I like you have critcisms towards Star Wars shows, but I just can't find much, if any, positive about the Acolyte. Other than Sols actor did a lot to prepare for this.
Wait, the fans are saying Qimir isn't a Sith?? Weird... Good point about Sol having an alibi for Torbin's death 👍 I disagree with the idea that the show is painting the Jedi as bad/evil. I think it's simply trying to show them as flawed. Though I'd be interested to hear why you think their portrayal doesn't fit with the general mannerisms of the Jedi 🤔
@@imyouralibi6208 no Jedi are shown to be incompetent, not being able to communicate effectively, lying, dirty schmucks who turn on their Jedi friends in order to save their ass. If that's not "bad" I don't know what is. Moreover the High Republic era is described as the 'golden age' of the Jedi and Republic, and there's very little if at all any sign that they are in the 'golden era' aside from their fancy outfits. Now you are welcome to have your own opinion about the show and have it revive hope for you, because that's awesome and I wish I could feel the same. However you cannot argue that how characters acted in it is how they would have really acted in the universe, without adequate reason and rationale(like Mae switching motives every 5 seconds, strong female coven leader forming into a smokemonster disintegrating Mae and expecting NOT to get stabbed)or in other words, that the show was horribly and confusingly written, with the plot conveniently unfolding in the way that benefits the writers (like Bazil ripping out squid game guy ship's power cables or whatever for no reason, also when the witches conveniently all died due to a severed connection lmao)
@@DarthVrs The writer did have an answer (in an interview) for why Basil sabotaged the ship. She really took a liking to him and wanted him to have his own "hero moment". There is a full article FILLED with questions and answers from the creator to help you understand some of those questions. I will share it if you like.
@@DarthVrs I'm not arguing that though. I agree that a lot of the characters' actions lack reason at times. I even said in my review that Bazil was nothing more than a plot device.
I hope you won't have a problem when we see the fellowship of the ring in Rings of Power. I mean why should we care if people out of time land random cameos in a show?
out of the episodes you rated the average was 4.5/10. the things you praise are all subjective and mostly disliked by many fans, i.e. the fights scenes, light whip etc. you and i surpisingly agree on a lot of the plot holes and devices so idk why this show gives you hope, especially when you rate the episodes so low, but good for you i guess. as for me ill never watch another disney star wars project again. we dont need mediocre stories as a stepping stone. we need competent story writers who understand the lore. if you want to accept mediocrity then fine, you do you, but of you buy into mediocrity then thats all youll ever get, the bare minimum effort. the one good thing about the acolyte is that it killed my hope for anything disney makes and i will no longer be disappointed.
26:39 Don‘t see the problem there: Aniseya heard from Mae that Osha was trapped inside with the fire expanding. And before, there was a whole sequence, where Aniseya to be a mother first before being leader of her clan. So it was ist important for Aniseya to save her children, instead of preventing the conflict between the jedi and the other clan-members which was about to happen if someone makes one wrong step. So Aniseya tried to teleport Mae and herself (and Osha probably) like mother Talzin in the clone wars, to save her children.
That was my initial theory (I just wish it'd been made more clear, if that was the case). Though I've been seeing people saying that, according to Leslye, Aniseya was actually trying to off herself and Mae by becoming one with the force. I can't confirm that since I haven't been provided a source, so take that with a HUGE grain of salt.
I haven't seen the Acolyte so I can't comment anything good or bad other than "Hooray! Light whip!" But on the topic of inspiring life with the Force, yes, it happens with Anakin, but isn't the point that that is such an amazing feat that everyone who hears what happened immediately thinks he must be the Chosen One? So, yes, it is obviously possible to create life with the Force in the Star Wars universe, but it's established as an unheard of miracle, something even the best of the best can't do. From my impression as an outsider of the Acolyte, this repetition of this miracle makes it more mundane and doesn't overturn the Jedi Order like Anakin's miraculous birth does.
I don't feel it makes Anakin's birth any less significant. And the reason it didn't overturn the Jedi the same way it did with him is because the vast majority of the Jedi in The Acolyte weren't aware of how Osha and Mae came into existence, and the few who were aware of it were ultimately killed off.
I just finished your video. Honestly, this was your one if not the best video on your channel so far. It was so refreshing someone able to say positives about the series. Which is weird that I'm saying this because I'm one of those who despise The Acolyte and hoping it will be cancelled. When you described the parallel between how Ahsoka and Osha's accusation was handled I was like "wait, true it's great". I completely missed it because I let my disappointment(Indara's death) take the best of me which is true for me to the whole series so I also give you that you watched the episodes way more level headed than I did. The best example about it is when Bazil did something with Sol's ship while chased Mae. I completely missed it because I went to the kitchen making tea without pausing and I didn't rewind because that's how invested I was in by that time. Episode 5 is where the series died with Jeckie and Yord to me. Their death was nothing but shock value, unearned shock value and I hate when stories do this. Just because a writer dare to do something it doesn't make it good, brave maybe but brave choice doesn't mean good necessarily. Red from OSP described this phenomenon the best. There is the interesting option and the grimdark option and they choose the grimdark option because they think that's the interesting option. Qimir massacaring a dozen jedi was weird to say the least something Darth Maul couldn't do. Especially if we count in the fact that in episode 8 Sol alone is could hold his own against him. And I also hate the headbutting the lightsabers. To disable them temporarily?! I already knew what cortosis is but it still came out weird because it wasn't established just was said in the next episode. I couldn't imagine what was it like for casual watchers who didn't heard about cortosis before. The introduction of beskar in The Mandalorian was far better. And there are Sol's death and Osha's turn. It's again unearned. We don't even know what Anisey was even trid to do and Sol had every reason to be terrified and acted the way he did. It's not what angers me. What makes me angry is Sol doesn't tell Osha about it. I read this on reddit so I don't know how true it is. Supposedly that scene was a metaphor to police violance and overreach but it fails miserably at that. Osha's turn feels like what a fanfiction writer would do. By that I mean fanfiction writers(judging from the stories I read at least) think in plot points but not put the effort to bridge the points properly and that's why these stories fall apart. Then Osha kill Sol an experienced and well trained jedi MASTER because... she was angry. I also applaud you for admiting that you watched Obi-Wan in the wrong mindset. Similarily the way I watched The Acolyte. Most of all thank you for what you said about at the end of the video. People thinking only in extremes is so tireing but what is worse is it's destructive. Honestly and I'm reluctant about saying this but this is the reason i'm not so active in your discord group anymore. So please I beg you to stay true to thos words you said at the end. You actually achived to make me rethink the series even tho I still hate it for the same reasons.
Wow, thank you for the high praise! I wouldn't say Jecki and Yord's deaths were just for shock value. It served a purpose. If they'd survived and gone on to confirm the existence of a Sith, it would have conflicted with the canon, specifically what was established in the prequels, that the Jedi believe the Sith have been extinct for millennia. I can see your point regarding Qimir being able to slaughter so many Jedi but being hard-pressed by Sol. Even Jecki was able to go toe-to-toe with him, albeit for a very brief time. It does make the other background Jedi feel just like cannon fodder, which doesn't do a great job of selling Qimir as a threat. It just adds to the point where his character is weakest, unfortunately. Good point about the cortosis potentially confusing new audience members 👍 Oh yeah, Aniseya absolutely mishandled the situation and Sol was somewhat justified in his fearful reaction. I hadn't heard about that metaphor though. That's interesting 🤔 My best guess at what Aniseya was trying to do was remove herself and Mae from proximity to the fight that was about to break out. But yeah, that's just speculation. It really annoys me that important characters actions like that aren't explained. Anyway, I don't have a problem with Osha being able to kill Sol, since he didn't fight back, and it makes sense for him not to, because he cares so much about Osha. Him withholding information from her concerning her mother's death was his idea of protecting her. "stay true to thos words you said at the end" That is my aim, and I will do my best! 🙂
@@imyouralibi6208Apparently according to an interview by the showrunner what Mother Annysa was trying to do was tp male her and May " harmelessly" become one with the force. And funnily enought the show does have definition for this has in ep 5 I think Jecki says when she sees a dead bug " its always an honor when something becomes one with the force" or something similar to that, which bassicely means she was trying to kill herself and her child. Granted you can't use this information to diss the show since it is not said in the episode itself but still that was a weird writing choice fpr a character meant to be sympathic to commit infanticide.
@@imyouralibi6208 I am on my Phone right now so I can't give you a link YET but if you want to find it search up on google " acolyte ep 7 interview and go on the site that I went to called Nerdist here you will find it althought the part where she talks about that stuff is rather far in the interview so you will need patience to find it.
@@imyouralibi6208 I am on my Phone right now and I don't know how to do it with my phone YET, but if you want to check it for yourself search up on google Acolyte ep 7 interview and go on the site that I went to called Nerdic, you will find the interview here althought the part where she talks about this is rather far in the interview so have patience you will find it eventually.
I'm so worried that we'll get a repeat of Solo where the review bombing will prevent the story from getting a follow-up. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed 🤞
@imyouralibi6208 omg solo is literally in my top 5 SW films! I'm always telling people how great I think it is, and they swear I'm trolling them because of the massive waves of negative reviews it received. Real shame.
@@imyouralibi6208Well … review bombing doesn‘t necessarily have to mean bad views. Solo was an box office flop. Acolyte can have bad reviews but still have good numbers in the end. And finally, it doesn‘t matter why the show gets views. If it‘s out of enjoyment or hate … every view helps the show eventually.
4:00 force users can in general not use the force on other fore users. I know siths does it occasionally. 9:30 Ahhh yes i remember how sol was on corusant, but at the same time was abel to kill a jedi on the other side of the galaxy (this is the short version of why it makes zero sense). The only redeming factor about The Acolyte is that it is so vaguely conectet to the rest of the story that it could rather easy be retconned without being a problem.
You're sounding kind of triggered, my guy. Seems I was right. Y'all really can't handle mediocre stories being recognized for they are. Anyway, don't drag Theo into your melodramatic crap. He deserves better than that.
@@patrickbliss9264 they won’t give a flying fuck, because the world isn’t centred around people’s opinions on Star Wars content, lol. You act like having a different opinion about a show is a federal crime. ‘Reputation ruined’, are you for real?
9:20 except the mole guy who for some reason is not explaining stuff? Or the fact that Ki has no reason to assume it was Sol? Even with the "explanation" there is still holes in the explanation to suggest "Hey that makes no sense"
There are valid reasons to dislike The Acolyte. My issue is with the fact that a lot of the major reasons being thrown around are completely invalid, inaccurate, and dishonest.
@@imyouralibi6208that is unfortunately something that happens in both camps, I'm not a fan of this show. But most people don't think for themselves, it doesn't matter if it comes from Disney defenders or the Disney haters.. both tend to repeat echo chamber arguments that are either silly or untrue. Rarely do you see people genuinely have their own critiques. Same happened with prequel hate back in the day. Most of the arguments that are leveled against it were very stupid as well. Not all of it admittedly,some of the acting was stiff and some of the dialogue in episode 2 is cringy. But it never was a big deal if you ask me and didnt warrant the hate that it got. Jar jar is easy to overlook, complaining about the cgi, all I can say to that is...really?
@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk Yeah, the way the prequels were treated by fans was pretty insane. But yeah, as you mentioned, that's what happens when everyone's stuck in an echo chamber 😞
@@squirrel176 I wouldn't say nothing. It was her show. She brought on Chris Cowan for the choreography, because she obviously wanted that aspect of the series to be good and chose someone highly talented to fill that position.
@@squirrel176 I mean, if you really wanna argue that Leslye had absolutely no say in who was brought on as choreographer, that's your prerogative, mate, but you're gonna look like an absolute moron in the process. Just saying.
Hey Alibi! How are things going? It seems I'm late to the party😅 You're very brave putting out a video like this, especially considering the nature of most of the comments under this video. People in the star wars fandom just can't seem to agree to disagree. It's always a battle on who is right and convincing who is wrong to admit it. It gets so exhausting... which is why I also left the Star Wars fandom for good a couple of months back. I'm surprised after all this time that you still have the energy to argue with these people. I watched more than half of the video but I can't pass judgement cause I didn't watch the show. Anyways, I hope these comments aren't going too hard on you and M.E.! Take care, guys!
Oof, yeah, it's such a tiring space to be in but I'm just not ready to step away from it at this point. We'll just have to wait and see what the future has in store. Thanks for the encouragement! It's very appreciated 🥰
She's human? She lacks any agency and is mostly irrelevant to the show/plot of which she's supposed to be one of the main characters? Her acting is worse?
6:51 Toyed with a padawan who explicitly was stated off guard and did not fortify his mind and that is still not strong enough to make life as creating life is far more complicated and needing a lot more power than just mind break a padawan who is not even that strong. Palpatine who was far more powerful than any sith in history was not able to create life and Plaguies struggled with the ability to do it needing far more science and a near century to do the so to say somehow Plaguies failed to do something that a random witch with nothing establishing or implying that she is beyond above average
Abysmal show. The whole premise is fucked. The lesbian space witch leader was dissolving into a smoke demon. Self defense was warranted. He was also defending the child who was dissolving as well. There was nothing immoral in his actions. If she was going to let Osha go she could have just said that. No need to turn into a smoke monster.
I agree that Aniseya did not handle that situation well. But if we're taking the events of that episode as a whole into account, Sol was hardly faultless.
I actually think it makes sense that women were practicing making life using the force. You know, since we make life in real life. And they weren’t even doing it to create balance with the force or anything, just to build their own coven/family. Very innocent and not at all like how Anakin happened, in my head at least.
Well... my new standard in StarWars is Andor and sorry, I found the Acolyte to be below mediocre. The Mandalorian was, at least for me, mediocre. I watched Mando season 1 and 2 and I had the feeling: "Well, it is not great but okay." After watching season 3 I found it to be trash on the other hand so I do not agree that everything now, if it comes to critism, is either high-praise or worst-ever. I believe that the audience do know the middle-ground here.
I challenge you to find a review of The Mandalorian S1-2 that labels the show as mediocre. Guaranteed, you'll be hard-pressed to find one in the sea of reviews that either treat it as the best or worst thing ever.
@@imyouralibi6208 Well... it was mediocre for me, as I described above in my post here. In commentaries below Mando I read about the show being not that great and such. Maybe the reviews say that otherwise, labeling it as very good. And here is a review giving it a "meh" which is more or less "mediocre" in terms. ruclips.net/video/lS77Wk7GhvY/видео.html And the next one is labeling it clearly as a "mixed bag" of good and bad elements which is mediocre in other words. It is from the Critical Drinker, one of the most popular film critics on youtube: ruclips.net/video/AYhxBY3CApk/видео.html
@@imyouralibi6208 Well... here is one already, saying the Mandalorian is overrated and "meh"... which is the equivalent of mediocre. ruclips.net/video/lS77Wk7GhvY/видео.html
@@imyouralibi6208 That is so strange... youtube did that? Because of the links I suppose. Damn... I have to apologise sincerly. I delete the ones with the complains myself now. Sorry again...
I haven't watched the Acolyte and don't plan to, as it's not my cup of tea, so I don't really have an opinion on it. That said, I have watched a lot of reviews of it, ranging from Critical Drinker to RLM to Jeremy Jahns to John Campea, and I have to say this is a refreshingly unique take. Enjoyed the watch. I've largely purged Clone Wars from my mind so I didn't catch any of the parallels. It is interesting to hear how Acolyte tries to tie in to it. Makes me wonder if the witches in The Acolyte are somehow related to the witches of Dathomir. Star Wars infamously has everyone connected to everyone by at most two or three degrees of separation.
I'm glad you enjoyed my review! And yeah, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Acolyte witches are connected to the Nightsisters, either directly or indirectly. It is certainly a shame how small the Star Wars universe has been made to feel nowadays...
Who cares honestly? For me there are only 3 Star Wars Films, i just watch rageviews because i find it entertaining, far more entertaining then anything that came from the franchise since the 90s :D this video wasnt entertaing sadly, but keep on the work :) oh and by the way, i didnt expect u to hate the show, its fitting that u like it in fact.
It is my plan to rewatch the series. But I will say, some of the scenes I went back and took a closer look at for this review actually improved from my initial impression. Out of curiosity, have you rewatched it at all?
I cannot rewatch this my time is too valuable. I know someone working on a review and would love your take on it when done. And I don't think comparing Ahsoka to Osha is right not to mention the horrible writing that every escape pod had a dead body while Osha survives a ridiculous crash. Also, mother Yas Yas YAS didn't use the force, it was "the thread". So much wrong with this show, just my thoughts.
@@hoaxialcable What's wrong with comparing Osha and Ahsoka? Also, "the thread" was just their way of saying "the force." I have no idea why that is so hard to understand...
Ahsoka was in the Jedi order and being framed for killing clones. Osha was not in the order and was not framed. Ahsoka thought it was Anakin that broke her out and was confused when she saw injured clones until one started shooting at her, so you're suggesting Ahsoka should just get recaptured after being framed after being captured after being framed? And Osha did not save the very people who were coming for her. Very poor comparison amd extremely reaching. Regarding the "thread", it's not so much the name as Kanan in Rebels said The Force goes by many names. Rather it is the piss poor and completely ignorant explanation of it. The fact that you casually brush aside a clear retcon does give me much insight into your perception though...
@@hoaxialcable Osha and Ahsoka were both falsely accused. Whether or not they were part of the Jedi Order is pretty irrelevant to the comparison. Either way, they both had some connection to the Jedi. Also, you're misremembering that episode of The Clone Wars. None of the injured clones started shooting at Ahsoka. Another clone showed up and sounded the alarm. Ahsoka, by believing Anakin was breaking her out, showed that she saw Anakin as corrupt, which shows her poor opinion of him. And when he later clarified that he did *not* break her out, she got mad at him for not acting violently and corruptly. She shows absolutely no faith in the system she has been a part of and has been fighting for, nor does she show faith in any of her friends and mentors, as I mentioned in the video. When she saw the injured clones, she should've realized she was being framed and gone back to her cell. They would've had nothing to pin on her if she had. Honestly, seems like the only one reaching is you. Also, what retcon did I supposedly brush aside?
My overall thoughs on this show are very similar to yours. I don't like the show but it didn't kill star wars. You can't kill whats been dead for years now. At least this show remembers that lightsabers are not glorified glow sticks and can acutally kills people. Rip Jackie. My biggest problem is that the writing is very inconsistant. Character motives are poorly explained and switch on a dime. And some scenes are very forced so that the story can happen. Overall rating is 4/10. Seen better. Seen worst.
To me, Star Wars represents the brilliance of narrative and meaning crafted by Chris Avellone-a deep, profound story about a man attempting to defy a god, fate, and determinism. Ironically, Chris Avellone himself couldn't stand Star Wars. Watching this shallow spectacle is morally exhausting. Too many fantastic universes are being sacrificed over time under the guise of a cultural revolution that, in reality, conceals creative impotence. And it’s only going to get worse.
I have literally never heard anyone say they want an all male cast. Leia is one of the biggest heroes of the franchise. Without her to lead Luke would have never been able to blow up the Death Star. People hate this show because it’s awful. Took a franchise that used JOHN WILLIAMS music to keep it timeless, but they decided to date it with a modern music track?!! The show has no respect for what came before, THAT is the problem most of us OGs have with it.
Jsyk, I feel like there's so much more I could've said here, so I'm going to aim to rewatch the series sometime and make a follow-up video.
do you have a discord? I'd love to join.
@@Ashin-Jast Yes! We include a link in the description for most of our videos, so if you check under our last upload, you'll find it 👍
This show is the entertainment equivalent of receiving crayons at a restaurant to complete the coloring book
If the crayons were covered in anthrax…
Hey at least coloring in a colorbook is fun
The Acolyte was terrible. A child can tell a better story than that.
I watched it with an open mind. It was awful. Even forgetting all the lore breaking moments (and there was plenty of that), the acting and especially the writing, were terrible. You know when it's terrible when people are hoping that their favourite Star Wars characters don't make an appearance just for them to get ruined... soz.
While I agree with a lot of what you said, there are some major things you glossed over or underplayed the relevance of:
1: The reason people dislike the fact that the coven created life from the force is that Anakin was created by the force as a tool for balance (which he ultimately accomplished) and characters like Darth Plegueis had tried to do this for years. This situation not only makes Anakin's existence far less special, but also makes powerful force users like Plegueis seem incompetent (which they are not, they rival jedi masters like Yoda). These witches should not be able to do things better than these sith/jedi especially with how easily they die.
2: Mundi now knows there were Jedi dying in significant numbers and willfully hid that from the council (which is the only way the scene in the phantom menace works) which is not only corrupt, but also incredibly stupid on his part because he would have lost nothing by telling the council and would have been able to neutralize the threat before further casualties occurred. This also paints Yoda as either extremely incompetent (either forgetting to use the force to sense the deception or just ignoring it on purpose) or straight up corrupt. The corrupt angle doesn't really work because why would Mundi bother saying that if Yoda was already in on it. It doesn't matter if he knew it was Sith or not (which I would argue is a fair assessment of a rogue jedi murdering other jedi) because ultimately it was a threat that makes the whole "time of peace for the jedi" thing a complete lie. It isn't canon breaking like the force babies (making the prophecy worthless), but it does make the jedi seem incompetent and corrupt (which in this era they aren't to this degree. They are sedentary and complacent, not covering up massive jedi death.)
3: The pitch meeting video explains this point very well. The world doesn't feel real. You touched on this but it's a lot bigger deal than you made it to be, as the entire story wouldn't have happened if the story was realistic. The coven leader turning into a smoke monster instead of saying "we were going to let her become a jedi" is a huge one. The STONE building igniting at all is incredibly silly (why not just have them in a wooden structure to make that work?). Sol not just grabbing the girls instead of the bridge (which is established he can do without issue, which makes it even more frustrating). Characters like Torbin having their motives/goals change every scene (one minute he defends himself, then she brings him poison and NOW he wants to die? Why even write that. Just guilt trip him into dying the first time she comes to kill him.). The twins feel like the worst offenders of this, switching their goals and motives so much that it's kind of hard to track why they are even doing what they are doing in a given scene. All of the witches dying after the connection is broken is absurd, full stop (they are clearly powerful, dying like that is pathetic). The mind wiping trick done by Qimir in legends is far harder and takes multiple masters to do (and if it is that easy in canon, why isn't he doing that right before every fight. Do they have to be willing? It's poorly explained). There are many more examples, but I've already written a damn near essay as is.
In conclusion: This show is full of plot holes and narrative beats that don't make sense if you put yourself in the shoes of the characters. Compound that with the canon breaking or canon bending situations/implications and you get an audience that is very upset and questioning why the show even exists in the first place. Personally I would have loved if this was in the old republic era, and this really was a corrupt jedi falling to the sith covering up situations while a truly noble jedi attempts to save a child and ultimately ends up putting her in a situation where she falls to the dark side. But because of the time period, the character choices, and the narrative structure, I'm left with a bad taste in my mouth similar to that of book of boba fett (I honestly can't decide which is worse). There are plenty of mediocre shows out there (MCU has more than a few examples), this one is beyond that. It's garbage.
Ehhh, I disagree that Osha and Mae's existence makes Anakin's feel worthless or insignificant. It's not a "oh-this-happens-every-Tuesday" sort of situation. It's only happened twice in canon so far. And the way the idea is presented in both the prequels and The Acolyte is so vague that I'm wary of making any definitive comparisons beyond the obvious. Yes, you can draw on external material like Legends, but from what I've seen, either fans or Legends itself can't seem to agree on how Plageuis' attempt at creating life really went down, so I'm equally wary of relying on that.
I can kind of understand your second point, but Mundi wasn't really the one hiding anything, Vernestra was. If you want to label her as corrupt for that, I could understand that, but saying the Jedi as a whole are corrupt because of that feels like a stretch. Ultimately, we have yet to see how the rest of the Jedi reacted to her claims of Sol going rogue.
Oh yeah, I'm not denying there's a LOT of problems with how both the plot and characters function. My bad if it seemed I was downplaying it, I just didn't want to go very deeply into it because it would take SO long to address every single illogical decision that was made across the series, and the video was already almost half an hour long 😅
Though I don't recall the twins' motives changing that much. Do you mind giving some examples?
@@imyouralibi6208 Just wanna add a couple of cents in here. The way I see it, bad writing aside, the majority of DSW material takes away, retcons, or flat out deconstructs the magic of the original films. This is what is happening in The Acolyte when placed alongside the Chosen One prophecy. This quasi-Christian fable was self-contained and needed no further explanation to maintain its adherents. The Acolyte is like someone suddenly adding a new book to the Bible, which claims someone else asked God to father their child well before Jesus and God gave that mother twins. I don't think it would go down well.
The whole premise of the show was to paint the Jedi in an unkind light - attempting to deconstruct themes of colonial, cult and police power dynamics in an extremely bad faith manner. Headland literally said these are not George Lucus' Jedi, but (at least in this era - both in the show and in our world) they need to be. They need to be the best examples of the Jedi we've seen, because we really haven't had that, ever (collectively speaking).
1. I agree with your first point to an extent, except the difference is, the witches never created life. They took one conscience and split it between 2 people. Meaning that Osha and Mae will not have a different Force Signature, as they are the same person in different bodies. Plagueis created life from the ground up, which is why he was such an interesting character. He never had to cheat by means of shortcuts to create life, he was more powerful than that.
2. Mundi wasn't hiding the info. Venestra was, and she is ESTABLISHED to be a corrupt Jedi. That doesn't mean that the Jedi as a whole are corrupt.
3. Valid points!
Never seen a worse show in my life, and I've watched series for 40+ years, including Robocop and Highlander series!
I honestly thought the title of this video was a joke. The Acolyte is absolutely terrible
Agree to disagree, I suppose
@@imyouralibi6208No, that's not how it works. If a piece of media is in the public domain, it can be objectively evaluated. Any argument based on the relativism of individual experience is intellectual cowardice.
There’s nothing wrong with enjoying a lousy movie or a silly cartoon. However, it remains a lousy movie and a silly cartoon.
@@СергейМатвеев-ш1эit’s a good show, your mind was poisoned against it by the chud media.
@@СергейМатвеев-ш1э You're right, it can be objectively evaluated, which is what I did. Treating this review as if it's purely based in my "relativistic experience" is just a groundless assumption on your part.
@@imyouralibi6208It isn't groundless, it's pretty obvious. Any time you say: "I feel", "I think", "I *whatever*", your argument becomes completely subjective. Objective critical analysis requires logic and knowledge of star wars and basic narrative structure. Which is something this show lacks completely to an absurd level. You just like it because it fits your values and preferences, but this show is an objective abomination as a star wars and narrative product.
I expected an April Fool’s video
But it's July.
@@ECSOrder66 Exactly what I was going to say 😂
Respectfully…I have so many issues with what you deemed as acceptable. Can’t type it all out though, ‘cause it’s a lot. I will say, I do agree with most of your criticisms, but ultimately I feel like this is one of the worst Disney Star Wars products to date. Definitely the most pretentious. Can’t wait to watch the Skeleton Crew and be disappointed yet again this fall. But, if I had to say something nice about the Acolyte, I will say I really enjoy Lee Jung Jae as Sol, and I wish the show had just been about him, Jecki and Yord and their adventures as space detectives. Kinda like the dynamic between Obi-Wan, Ahsoka and Anakin.
Oh yeah, huge props to Lee. My mind was blown when I heard he learned English *just* for this role. That is literally so badass, lol 👏
As someone who was supporting the idea of the acolyte way before it came out, i will definitely say i was disappointed with what we got. Of course there were some things i liked about the show but overall i thought it was a bit too inconsistent lore wise and the miscommunication / lack there of really bothered me quite a bit😂. Another thing id like to add is even if you don't look at it lore wise or if you chose to take off your starwars glasses and looked at it individually as a project (even excluding anything politically motivated as well) i still don't see it being the most successful out there. One thing i definitely agree with you on and im sure everyone else does too, the fight choreography is certainly worth giving credit for. In my opinion nothing has been able to beat and or match the prequels yet, but id say the fight scenes we see in acolyte is probably the best we've seen since the prequels
Yeah, at the very least, I'm hoping the fight choreography in Acolyte gets carried forward into other Star Wars projects 🤞
With the show being over, I didn't like it. The creators interviews have made it much worse now.
"Qimir is not a sith" said the fans of the show. The creator has come out to say "Qimir is the apprentice of Darth Plagueis".
If the 2 jedi from the temple with Torbin learned of what Sol is accused of, they were with Sol when Torbin died and could break the lie easily.
The show wants to show the jedi as bad or evil, instead they are shown as incompetent or act in a way that doesn't fit the mannerisms of the Jedi.
I like you have critcisms towards Star Wars shows, but I just can't find much, if any, positive about the Acolyte. Other than Sols actor did a lot to prepare for this.
Wait, the fans are saying Qimir isn't a Sith?? Weird...
Good point about Sol having an alibi for Torbin's death 👍
I disagree with the idea that the show is painting the Jedi as bad/evil. I think it's simply trying to show them as flawed.
Though I'd be interested to hear why you think their portrayal doesn't fit with the general mannerisms of the Jedi 🤔
@@imyouralibi6208 no Jedi are shown to be incompetent, not being able to communicate effectively, lying, dirty schmucks who turn on their Jedi friends in order to save their ass. If that's not "bad" I don't know what is. Moreover the High Republic era is described as the 'golden age' of the Jedi and Republic, and there's very little if at all any sign that they are in the 'golden era' aside from their fancy outfits.
Now you are welcome to have your own opinion about the show and have it revive hope for you, because that's awesome and I wish I could feel the same. However you cannot argue that how characters acted in it is how they would have really acted in the universe, without adequate reason and rationale(like Mae switching motives every 5 seconds, strong female coven leader forming into a smokemonster disintegrating Mae and expecting NOT to get stabbed)or in other words, that the show was horribly and confusingly written, with the plot conveniently unfolding in the way that benefits the writers (like Bazil ripping out squid game guy ship's power cables or whatever for no reason, also when the witches conveniently all died due to a severed connection lmao)
@@DarthVrs The writer did have an answer (in an interview) for why Basil sabotaged the ship.
She really took a liking to him and wanted him to have his own "hero moment".
There is a full article FILLED with questions and answers from the creator to help you understand some of those questions.
I will share it if you like.
@@DarthVrs I'm not arguing that though. I agree that a lot of the characters' actions lack reason at times. I even said in my review that Bazil was nothing more than a plot device.
@@LurkerBelow I'd definitely be interested in reading that
Like Andor and unlike the mandoverse / Filoniverse-shows (and Kenobi): The Acolyte had … ideas and something to tell.
I hope you won't have a problem when we see the fellowship of the ring in Rings of Power. I mean why should we care if people out of time land random cameos in a show?
out of the episodes you rated the average was 4.5/10. the things you praise are all subjective and mostly disliked by many fans, i.e. the fights scenes, light whip etc. you and i surpisingly agree on a lot of the plot holes and devices so idk why this show gives you hope, especially when you rate the episodes so low, but good for you i guess. as for me ill never watch another disney star wars project again. we dont need mediocre stories as a stepping stone. we need competent story writers who understand the lore. if you want to accept mediocrity then fine, you do you, but of you buy into mediocrity then thats all youll ever get, the bare minimum effort. the one good thing about the acolyte is that it killed my hope for anything disney makes and i will no longer be disappointed.
Mae and Osha trying to be like Rain and Mira down to the amount of syllables in the names
Lol, I didn't even pick up on that similarity 😂
26:39 Don‘t see the problem there:
Aniseya heard from Mae that Osha was trapped inside with the fire expanding. And before, there was a whole sequence, where Aniseya to be a mother first before being leader of her clan. So it was ist important for Aniseya to save her children, instead of preventing the conflict between the jedi and the other clan-members which was about to happen if someone makes one wrong step.
So Aniseya tried to teleport Mae and herself (and Osha probably) like mother Talzin in the clone wars, to save her children.
That was my initial theory (I just wish it'd been made more clear, if that was the case). Though I've been seeing people saying that, according to Leslye, Aniseya was actually trying to off herself and Mae by becoming one with the force. I can't confirm that since I haven't been provided a source, so take that with a HUGE grain of salt.
I haven't seen the Acolyte so I can't comment anything good or bad other than "Hooray! Light whip!"
But on the topic of inspiring life with the Force, yes, it happens with Anakin, but isn't the point that that is such an amazing feat that everyone who hears what happened immediately thinks he must be the Chosen One? So, yes, it is obviously possible to create life with the Force in the Star Wars universe, but it's established as an unheard of miracle, something even the best of the best can't do. From my impression as an outsider of the Acolyte, this repetition of this miracle makes it more mundane and doesn't overturn the Jedi Order like Anakin's miraculous birth does.
I don't feel it makes Anakin's birth any less significant. And the reason it didn't overturn the Jedi the same way it did with him is because the vast majority of the Jedi in The Acolyte weren't aware of how Osha and Mae came into existence, and the few who were aware of it were ultimately killed off.
I just finished your video. Honestly, this was your one if not the best video on your channel so far. It was so refreshing someone able to say positives about the series. Which is weird that I'm saying this because I'm one of those who despise The Acolyte and hoping it will be cancelled.
When you described the parallel between how Ahsoka and Osha's accusation was handled I was like "wait, true it's great". I completely missed it because I let my disappointment(Indara's death) take the best of me which is true for me to the whole series so I also give you that you watched the episodes way more level headed than I did. The best example about it is when Bazil did something with Sol's ship while chased Mae. I completely missed it because I went to the kitchen making tea without pausing and I didn't rewind because that's how invested I was in by that time.
Episode 5 is where the series died with Jeckie and Yord to me. Their death was nothing but shock value, unearned shock value and I hate when stories do this. Just because a writer dare to do something it doesn't make it good, brave maybe but brave choice doesn't mean good necessarily. Red from OSP described this phenomenon the best. There is the interesting option and the grimdark option and they choose the grimdark option because they think that's the interesting option. Qimir massacaring a dozen jedi was weird to say the least something Darth Maul couldn't do. Especially if we count in the fact that in episode 8 Sol alone is could hold his own against him. And I also hate the headbutting the lightsabers. To disable them temporarily?! I already knew what cortosis is but it still came out weird because it wasn't established just was said in the next episode. I couldn't imagine what was it like for casual watchers who didn't heard about cortosis before. The introduction of beskar in The Mandalorian was far better.
And there are Sol's death and Osha's turn. It's again unearned. We don't even know what Anisey was even trid to do and Sol had every reason to be terrified and acted the way he did. It's not what angers me. What makes me angry is Sol doesn't tell Osha about it. I read this on reddit so I don't know how true it is. Supposedly that scene was a metaphor to police violance and overreach but it fails miserably at that. Osha's turn feels like what a fanfiction writer would do. By that I mean fanfiction writers(judging from the stories I read at least) think in plot points but not put the effort to bridge the points properly and that's why these stories fall apart. Then Osha kill Sol an experienced and well trained jedi MASTER because... she was angry.
I also applaud you for admiting that you watched Obi-Wan in the wrong mindset. Similarily the way I watched The Acolyte.
Most of all thank you for what you said about at the end of the video. People thinking only in extremes is so tireing but what is worse is it's destructive. Honestly and I'm reluctant about saying this but this is the reason i'm not so active in your discord group anymore. So please I beg you to stay true to thos words you said at the end. You actually achived to make me rethink the series even tho I still hate it for the same reasons.
Wow, thank you for the high praise!
I wouldn't say Jecki and Yord's deaths were just for shock value. It served a purpose. If they'd survived and gone on to confirm the existence of a Sith, it would have conflicted with the canon, specifically what was established in the prequels, that the Jedi believe the Sith have been extinct for millennia.
I can see your point regarding Qimir being able to slaughter so many Jedi but being hard-pressed by Sol. Even Jecki was able to go toe-to-toe with him, albeit for a very brief time. It does make the other background Jedi feel just like cannon fodder, which doesn't do a great job of selling Qimir as a threat. It just adds to the point where his character is weakest, unfortunately.
Good point about the cortosis potentially confusing new audience members 👍
Oh yeah, Aniseya absolutely mishandled the situation and Sol was somewhat justified in his fearful reaction. I hadn't heard about that metaphor though. That's interesting 🤔
My best guess at what Aniseya was trying to do was remove herself and Mae from proximity to the fight that was about to break out. But yeah, that's just speculation. It really annoys me that important characters actions like that aren't explained.
Anyway, I don't have a problem with Osha being able to kill Sol, since he didn't fight back, and it makes sense for him not to, because he cares so much about Osha. Him withholding information from her concerning her mother's death was his idea of protecting her.
"stay true to thos words you said at the end" That is my aim, and I will do my best! 🙂
@@imyouralibi6208Apparently according to an interview by the showrunner what Mother Annysa was trying to do was tp male her and May " harmelessly" become one with the force. And funnily enought the show does have definition for this has in ep 5 I think Jecki says when she sees a dead bug " its always an honor when something becomes one with the force" or something similar to that, which bassicely means she was trying to kill herself and her child. Granted you can't use this information to diss the show since it is not said in the episode itself but still that was a weird writing choice fpr a character meant to be sympathic to commit infanticide.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 That is a big "yikes" 😬
Per chance, do you have the link for that interview?
@@imyouralibi6208 I am on my Phone right now so I can't give you a link YET but if you want to find it search up on google " acolyte ep 7 interview and go on the site that I went to called Nerdist here you will find it althought the part where she talks about that stuff is rather far in the interview so you will need patience to find it.
@@imyouralibi6208 I am on my Phone right now and I don't know how to do it with my phone YET, but if you want to check it for yourself search up on google Acolyte ep 7 interview and go on the site that I went to called Nerdic, you will find the interview here althought the part where she talks about this is rather far in the interview so have patience you will find it eventually.
I loved the show. Praying for a seaaon II.
I'm so worried that we'll get a repeat of Solo where the review bombing will prevent the story from getting a follow-up. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed 🤞
@imyouralibi6208 omg solo is literally in my top 5 SW films! I'm always telling people how great I think it is, and they swear I'm trolling them because of the massive waves of negative reviews it received. Real shame.
@@renesrelics It certainly has its flaws but it's honestly such a fun ride regardless. I'll always be disappointed over not getting the sequel 😞
@@imyouralibi6208Well … review bombing doesn‘t necessarily have to mean bad views. Solo was an box office flop. Acolyte can have bad reviews but still have good numbers in the end. And finally, it doesn‘t matter why the show gets views. If it‘s out of enjoyment or hate … every view helps the show eventually.
The Problems: terrible unlogic writing. Bad Actors and a softcore Fanfiction with Dialogues from a 14 year old. Much copy paste real bad done.
4:00 force users can in general not use the force on other fore users. I know siths does it occasionally. 9:30 Ahhh yes i remember how sol was on corusant, but at the same time was abel to kill a jedi on the other side of the galaxy (this is the short version of why it makes zero sense). The only redeming factor about The Acolyte is that it is so vaguely conectet to the rest of the story that it could rather easy be retconned without being a problem.
If EFAP ever watch this video your reputation will be ruined. I wonder what Theo thinks?
You're sounding kind of triggered, my guy. Seems I was right. Y'all really can't handle mediocre stories being recognized for they are.
Anyway, don't drag Theo into your melodramatic crap. He deserves better than that.
@@patrickbliss9264 they won’t give a flying fuck, because the world isn’t centred around people’s opinions on Star Wars content, lol. You act like having a different opinion about a show is a federal crime. ‘Reputation ruined’, are you for real?
Finally an adequate review on Acolyte in the sea of stupidity, that is SW fandom
I feel like we have very different definitions of mediocre. Your average score for an episode is like 4 out of 10.
9:20 except the mole guy who for some reason is not explaining stuff? Or the fact that Ki has no reason to assume it was Sol? Even with the "explanation" there is still holes in the explanation to suggest "Hey that makes no sense"
Acolyte is the best SW show along with Andor. And fans that hate it are absolutely dumb
There are valid reasons to dislike The Acolyte. My issue is with the fact that a lot of the major reasons being thrown around are completely invalid, inaccurate, and dishonest.
@@imyouralibi6208that is unfortunately something that happens in both camps, I'm not a fan of this show. But most people don't think for themselves, it doesn't matter if it comes from Disney defenders or the Disney haters.. both tend to repeat echo chamber arguments that are either silly or untrue. Rarely do you see people genuinely have their own critiques. Same happened with prequel hate back in the day. Most of the arguments that are leveled against it were very stupid as well. Not all of it admittedly,some of the acting was stiff and some of the dialogue in episode 2 is cringy. But it never was a big deal if you ask me and didnt warrant the hate that it got. Jar jar is easy to overlook, complaining about the cgi, all I can say to that is...really?
@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk Yeah, the way the prequels were treated by fans was pretty insane. But yeah, as you mentioned, that's what happens when everyone's stuck in an echo chamber 😞
9:40 Same
The only thing that gave me hope about the acolyte is the lightsaber duels
Let's hope the rest of Lucasfilm takes a page out of Leslye's book on that point 🤞
@@imyouralibi6208she had absolutely nothing to do with the choreography though?
@@squirrel176 I wouldn't say nothing. It was her show. She brought on Chris Cowan for the choreography, because she obviously wanted that aspect of the series to be good and chose someone highly talented to fill that position.
@@imyouralibi6208 right… 😂
@@squirrel176 I mean, if you really wanna argue that Leslye had absolutely no say in who was brought on as choreographer, that's your prerogative, mate, but you're gonna look like an absolute moron in the process. Just saying.
I this the lowest and there’s no where to go but up?
Or
Is there always lower to fall?
The fans of Star Wars will decide.
Sadly, things can always get worse. But ultimately, we'll have to wait and see which way things go.
Hey Alibi! How are things going?
It seems I'm late to the party😅
You're very brave putting out a video like this, especially considering the nature of most of the comments under this video.
People in the star wars fandom just can't seem to agree to disagree. It's always a battle on who is right and convincing who is wrong to admit it.
It gets so exhausting... which is why I also left the Star Wars fandom for good a couple of months back.
I'm surprised after all this time that you still have the energy to argue with these people.
I watched more than half of the video but I can't pass judgement cause I didn't watch the show.
Anyways, I hope these comments aren't going too hard on you and M.E.!
Take care, guys!
Oof, yeah, it's such a tiring space to be in but I'm just not ready to step away from it at this point. We'll just have to wait and see what the future has in store.
Thanks for the encouragement! It's very appreciated 🥰
6:11 Well its more so doing the equivalent of exploding an already burning house to smithereens
4:52 Debatably as there is so much wrong in that show that its a competition. I am sorry it is a competition
It was a great show, and it will be seen that way eventually.
Sounds like a threat to me. See what the world has become now that people like the prequels?
@@stevena.7022 what’s funny is watching prequel people cry that this isn’t Star Wars…
I said it in the server, I'll say it again.
Osha is what Ahsoka never was.
She's Ahsoka
But much, MUCH worse
She's human? She lacks any agency and is mostly irrelevant to the show/plot of which she's supposed to be one of the main characters? Her acting is worse?
No decently capable critic should fail to recognize immediately how incredibly dog turd tasting this show was.
How much is Disney paying you?
You are probably the only man that likes it
Don't know if you can tell, but Alibi is a girl.
6:51 Toyed with a padawan who explicitly was stated off guard and did not fortify his mind and that is still not strong enough to make life as creating life is far more complicated and needing a lot more power than just mind break a padawan who is not even that strong. Palpatine who was far more powerful than any sith in history was not able to create life and Plaguies struggled with the ability to do it needing far more science and a near century to do the so to say somehow Plaguies failed to do something that a random witch with nothing establishing or implying that she is beyond above average
Abysmal show. The whole premise is fucked. The lesbian space witch leader was dissolving into a smoke demon. Self defense was warranted. He was also defending the child who was dissolving as well. There was nothing immoral in his actions. If she was going to let Osha go she could have just said that. No need to turn into a smoke monster.
I agree that Aniseya did not handle that situation well. But if we're taking the events of that episode as a whole into account, Sol was hardly faultless.
I actually think it makes sense that women were practicing making life using the force. You know, since we make life in real life. And they weren’t even doing it to create balance with the force or anything, just to build their own coven/family. Very innocent and not at all like how Anakin happened, in my head at least.
Well... my new standard in StarWars is Andor and sorry, I found the Acolyte to be below mediocre. The Mandalorian was, at least for me, mediocre. I watched Mando season 1 and 2 and I had the feeling: "Well, it is not great but okay." After watching season 3 I found it to be trash on the other hand so I do not agree that everything now, if it comes to critism, is either high-praise or worst-ever. I believe that the audience do know the middle-ground here.
I challenge you to find a review of The Mandalorian S1-2 that labels the show as mediocre. Guaranteed, you'll be hard-pressed to find one in the sea of reviews that either treat it as the best or worst thing ever.
@@imyouralibi6208 Well... it was mediocre for me, as I described above in my post here. In commentaries below Mando I read about the show being not that great and such. Maybe the reviews say that otherwise, labeling it as very good. And here is a review giving it a "meh" which is more or less "mediocre" in terms.
ruclips.net/video/lS77Wk7GhvY/видео.html
And the next one is labeling it clearly as a "mixed bag" of good and bad elements which is mediocre in other words. It is from the Critical Drinker, one of the most popular film critics on youtube:
ruclips.net/video/AYhxBY3CApk/видео.html
@@imyouralibi6208 Well... here is one already, saying the Mandalorian is overrated and "meh"... which is the equivalent of mediocre.
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@@emorsi Why would you immediately assume I deleted your comments? It's RUclips doing that, not me.
@@imyouralibi6208 That is so strange... youtube did that? Because of the links I suppose. Damn... I have to apologise sincerly. I delete the ones with the complains myself now. Sorry again...
I haven't watched the Acolyte and don't plan to, as it's not my cup of tea, so I don't really have an opinion on it.
That said, I have watched a lot of reviews of it, ranging from Critical Drinker to RLM to Jeremy Jahns to John Campea, and I have to say this is a refreshingly unique take. Enjoyed the watch.
I've largely purged Clone Wars from my mind so I didn't catch any of the parallels. It is interesting to hear how Acolyte tries to tie in to it.
Makes me wonder if the witches in The Acolyte are somehow related to the witches of Dathomir. Star Wars infamously has everyone connected to everyone by at most two or three degrees of separation.
I'm glad you enjoyed my review! And yeah, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Acolyte witches are connected to the Nightsisters, either directly or indirectly. It is certainly a shame how small the Star Wars universe has been made to feel nowadays...
Who cares honestly? For me there are only 3 Star Wars Films, i just watch rageviews because i find it entertaining, far more entertaining then anything that came from the franchise since the 90s :D this video wasnt entertaing sadly, but keep on the work :) oh and by the way, i didnt expect u to hate the show, its fitting that u like it in fact.
You really should rewatch it so you can realize how horribly wrong you are. And when I say horribly I'm being generous.
It is my plan to rewatch the series. But I will say, some of the scenes I went back and took a closer look at for this review actually improved from my initial impression.
Out of curiosity, have you rewatched it at all?
I cannot rewatch this my time is too valuable. I know someone working on a review and would love your take on it when done. And I don't think comparing Ahsoka to Osha is right not to mention the horrible writing that every escape pod had a dead body while Osha survives a ridiculous crash. Also, mother Yas Yas YAS didn't use the force, it was "the thread". So much wrong with this show, just my thoughts.
@@hoaxialcable What's wrong with comparing Osha and Ahsoka?
Also, "the thread" was just their way of saying "the force." I have no idea why that is so hard to understand...
Ahsoka was in the Jedi order and being framed for killing clones. Osha was not in the order and was not framed. Ahsoka thought it was Anakin that broke her out and was confused when she saw injured clones until one started shooting at her, so you're suggesting Ahsoka should just get recaptured after being framed after being captured after being framed? And Osha did not save the very people who were coming for her. Very poor comparison amd extremely reaching.
Regarding the "thread", it's not so much the name as Kanan in Rebels said The Force goes by many names. Rather it is the piss poor and completely ignorant explanation of it.
The fact that you casually brush aside a clear retcon does give me much insight into your perception though...
@@hoaxialcable Osha and Ahsoka were both falsely accused. Whether or not they were part of the Jedi Order is pretty irrelevant to the comparison. Either way, they both had some connection to the Jedi.
Also, you're misremembering that episode of The Clone Wars. None of the injured clones started shooting at Ahsoka. Another clone showed up and sounded the alarm.
Ahsoka, by believing Anakin was breaking her out, showed that she saw Anakin as corrupt, which shows her poor opinion of him. And when he later clarified that he did *not* break her out, she got mad at him for not acting violently and corruptly.
She shows absolutely no faith in the system she has been a part of and has been fighting for, nor does she show faith in any of her friends and mentors, as I mentioned in the video.
When she saw the injured clones, she should've realized she was being framed and gone back to her cell. They would've had nothing to pin on her if she had.
Honestly, seems like the only one reaching is you.
Also, what retcon did I supposedly brush aside?
The acolyte is wonderful
5:33 Eh debatably as i don't enjoy the jedi in this show at all and i have so many issues with jecki and Yor and Sol.
I feel there is a lot of issues no brought up in episode 5
3:13 Which does not last long in the show
Ho my God she's funny
14:15 I feel you missed the big red flaw in him trying to grab both platforms
My overall thoughs on this show are very similar to yours.
I don't like the show but it didn't kill star wars. You can't kill whats been dead for years now. At least this show remembers that lightsabers are not glorified glow sticks and can acutally kills people. Rip Jackie.
My biggest problem is that the writing is very inconsistant. Character motives are poorly explained and switch on a dime. And some scenes are very forced so that the story can happen.
Overall rating is 4/10. Seen better. Seen worst.
To me, Star Wars represents the brilliance of narrative and meaning crafted by Chris Avellone-a deep, profound story about a man attempting to defy a god, fate, and determinism. Ironically, Chris Avellone himself couldn't stand Star Wars.
Watching this shallow spectacle is morally exhausting. Too many fantastic universes are being sacrificed over time under the guise of a cultural revolution that, in reality, conceals creative impotence. And it’s only going to get worse.
@@СергейМатвеев-ш1э okay....i don't remember asking but thanks i guess.
@@Ashin-Jast, welcome to the internet
Some supposed str8males want "All Male Cast" entertainment any deviation will be condemned before seen...
I have literally never heard anyone say they want an all male cast. Leia is one of the biggest heroes of the franchise. Without her to lead Luke would have never been able to blow up the Death Star. People hate this show because it’s awful. Took a franchise that used JOHN WILLIAMS music to keep it timeless, but they decided to date it with a modern music track?!! The show has no respect for what came before, THAT is the problem most of us OGs have with it.
I don't blame her, i pity her, she doesn't have a knowledge or taste in watching entertainment series.
Just leave her in her own world.
Wow. Could you be anymore of a condescending douche?
She's literally been a writer for 15+ years. You sure you're not just stating your bias as objective fact as a poor counterargument?
Objectively terrible show. Every aspect is bad. Some ok fight scenes here and there are the only exceptions.
25:46 Only thing I can think of is I enjoyed some of the humor? And a bit of action?
Nothing to enjoy.