The top three sounded like a playground argument where a kid just keeps adding one infinity onto his favourite character's power so that he beats every other person's favourite character
"Mine's infinite, so I win." "Nuh, uh. Mine's infinity times infinity!" "Mine's infinity times 9 infinity!" "Mine's infinity times infinity, infinity times!"
Y’know going into this I was fully expecting Skyrim vs Dark Souls to be #1. I should’ve known not to underestimate the absolute anarchy that is Marvel cosmology.
Superman was downplayed and Goku was wanked. Superman at his best is Extraversal while Goku at his best in DBS is only Low Multiversal and in Xenoverse is only Outerversal. Also Galactus is downplayed and Unicron is about right. Galactus normally is Universe+ but when he's full and after current events he's easily High Outerversal and Lightbringer Galactus was Infinite Outerversal.
@@CerealExperimentsMizukimost of the stuff you just said was wrong, but Superman does indeed slam Goku. You’re definitely overwanking multiversal characters to outerversal though
@@captainb.mccrea5480 which ones do you think are only Multiversal?? Goku is Low Multiversal as he cannot even destroy Infinite 4D Universes and Unicron is Multiverse+ for, well... threatening to and having the power to destroy the Multiverse lol and Galactus scales to Outerversal powers due to Marvel cosmology and generic Celestials can be argued to be Outerversal alone and Galactus surpasses all other Celestials apart from Dark Celestials. Also due to D.C. Cosmology Superman at his peak using the Story Of Superman is top 5 in the verse only being beaten by beings such as Ehl, Milk-Man Man, Greg Freehly and The Leviathan Of Stories which are all Extraversal. There's nothing that contradicts any of this.
Not really. Death battle doesn't even know fire emblem and really over played Dimitri with feats he never displayed. And most game feats are not even canon to The story. Otherwise guts game feats also would be canon. And The javelin of light were not even nukes, The explosion of the ones rhea took were small. We even see the size of the explosion, they are smaller than rhea, one even hits the ground and it barely made a small crater. And Dimitri can't tank a javelin of light , he dies from knives, as he almost died from Fleche, a Girl with a dagger. The feats are exaggerated, which most death battle scalers do. Most fire emblem fans didn't down play Dimitri, they scale him much better than any death battle "researcher".
@@MegaPokefan97 well yeah since thanos îs from comics, and there are over 500 different versions of marvel universes and writers. Of course în some comics you will have a baby sneezing a multi verse cuz comics. But three houses is just one world, unless you count fire emblem heroes. There are writers who have spiderman being out of character and dorind things he would never do. Comics are written by different writers that can write whatever they want. I bet there îs a Tony stark who îs home less and ends up beating a multiversal entity în a few days.
Not to forget Galactus had a weapon that could perfectly deal with Unicron. The moment they mentioned that i knew it was over. Literally gets around Unicron's whole thing. So even if Galactus was just as strong or even weaker than Unicron, he would still win, which is crazy.
I know it’s unrelated but I’m still so happy that Guts vs Dimitri exists because it was the push to get me into Fire Emblem Before then I just played Lucina in Ultimate
An interesting potential video in the same vein as this one is which matchups are retroactively wrong by using the current stats for one fighter but the original stats of the other. For example, the current Goku’s stats (that they use strictly for DBZ) means he speedblitzes the hell out of the stuff they gave only for GvS 1. They also made Vegeta win Thor’s match by making him ludicrously stronger and equivalent in speed, given they directly scale him to Goku.
@@msmith1890They haven’t had anyone from Doom on Death Battle since his only match. This would be only using the numbers the characters/franchises are given in later episodes, as opposed to stuff in their own media.
Technically Thor vs Vegeta could still be correct. Yes their universe calc would now be wrong. But unless you also give Vegeta infinite speed (which would be fair) Thor would still win with the god blast which threatened infinite infinities Galactus. Goku's immeasurable speed was partially given to him because of ultra instinct which Vegeta doesnt have. So Thor could still be faster. But thats definetly debattable since they also claimed stopping a merged Zamasu could imply infinite speed.
I think someone already said it, but "retroactively wrong" episodes would be fun to look at, based on characters who have gotten greater feats since their debut. That would require research beyond the episode itself but I think it'd be pretty interesting to retroactively analyze episodes of Death Battle to see if the results hold up with new statistics (like if Pikachu still gets stomped by Blanka, or if Rainbow Dash would actually beat Starscream)
There was idea of it on death battle subreddit where they have gone on each season and each episode with question right or wrong at today. Surprisingly i think the lowest was around 60% (edit: the lowest is 78%) for one of seasons while on average it's like 87% or so especially by time of latest episodes.
11:31 Correction: people in the Fire Emblem community who hate Three Houses/Dimitri believe that he should've gotten folded, fans of Dimitri/Three Houses were unbelievably ecstatic that they gave him those feats. Basically all you need to know is the Fire Emblem community is a hot dumpster fire and everyone hates each other
I'm a fan of Three Houses, neutral on Dimitri, and while I'm not sure whether I think he wins, the logic DB uses is definitely faulty. They compared Dimitri defeating a mutated Edelgard to a non-mutated Edelgard with an axe defeating Rhea, to Rhea surviving a couple of missiles, with no proof that the connections are actually relevant. Especially as far as Edelgard is concerned.
@@tehesprite502 im not a fan of fire emblem but wouldnt Dimitris abilities like the negate armor really put a hurtting on guts. i get the scaling is bs but wouldnt his feats allow him to beat guts. im sorry i never played a single fire emblem game so i wouldnt know i jsut know the characters from smash ( litterally my first introduction to them)
@@coolchrisable Maybe, again I'm not sure on how the matchup actually plays out, but my point is that DB focuses on the wrong things for determining that.
I’d bet we’re NEVER getting a bigger stomp than Galactus Vs Unicron unless we get another MU with some insane DC/Marvel abstract dude. I didn’t even notice they put Galactus at outerversal.
@@nhbons783Rick and The Doctor have also broken the fourth wall but they weren't put any dimension higher. Breaking the fourth wall would not automatically translate to higher dimensional tiering
@@nhbons783 but he didn't ACTUALLY punch a real person. He was punching a fictional representation of said person. Throwing hands with your creator without context only gives you like 5D scaling at best. And it doesn't even give ya that if it's something like Wade killing his writers
I can't believe we've found ways to power scale characters beyond infinity despite infinity being endless by definition. Your continuously growing mad tone was very fitting in that regard.
The theory is basically infinite multiples of twos is less than infinite multiples of one, since multiples of one and two overlaps, but multiples of ones has some that don’t, meaning they have more.
It is hilarious to me how, once we get to those top episodes, they don't seem like as big of stomps to a casual viewer. For most people who watch Galactus vs. Unicron, it probably just feels like "Oh yeah, they do the same stuff, but Galactus' world is bigger. Okay, so it was pretty close then". Since our brains don't have a way of conceptualizing infinities stacking on top of infinities. Not to say people are stupid. We just literally aren't built to be able to see math at that level.
Basically non powerscalers and powerscalers. My friends always get inpressed when a mountain blows up but ive scaled ppl who reach multiversal or beyond dimensionality even. They havent seen power yet
@@mrheello5181 I can name 5 off the top of my head. Biggest verse I know of is my own verse that I created which has so many stories inside of it that there's no one word to describe it so I'll just call it my verse. But 5 other verses which are bigger than D.C. are; Howard Phillips Lovecraft's Yogg'Sothothory. Stephen Baxter's Manifoldverse. Rudy Rucker's Ruckerverse. Stephen King's Macroverse. SCP verse.
I still think a "Most Unfair Death Battles by my logic" series would go hard, where instead of ranking it by Death Battle's research, you rank them by your research and you can compare the two series.
That would require him to actually research every single one of those series, some of which he has made it clear he has no familiarity with, and some of which have literal decades worth of source material and huge expanded universes. Probably not feasible.
That's because Dimensional Tiering is a b!t€h However, some people argue that Chuck Norris and Segata Sanshiro could take both Unicron and Galactus Still, regardless of who people would put at the top, I love the fact that the hyperwanked Dante, Vergil, and Kratos are nothing compared to what's basically a toy robot 😂
What the hell are some of these numbers like jesus christ what am I looking at??? How are there 4 matchups that end up as infinity vs bigger infinitie???? What is going on????
Honestly the gap between the Top 5 unfair fights compared to the rest is striking. Also, as much as I love Guts, Dimitri should’ve had the edge in speed as well. (I also do love Dimitri as a character, FYI)
@@mihaimercenarul7467Why does it matter that it’s “by game logic.” They’re characters in a video game, so it’s totally normal to use feats from within the video game. Not everything has to be a cutscene; that’s not where most combat takes place.
@@agentglowstick8704 then why doesn't guts get feats from games to? Cuz they are not canon? Cuz the gamepkay feats of three houses are also not canon. You can finish a map with just one character that concically didn't fight anyone not he killed everyone în The Map. You can beat the final boss solo with a villager, even tho he didn't în canon. The gameplay feats are nkt for logic, but for gameplay mechanics, which again, do Not mix with the actual feats. So being from a game means that death battle once again, exaggerate the feats.
@@agentglowstick8704 not to mention The combat îs not canon în game 99% of the time during gameplay. You can finish The Map with just one unit that cononically didn't do anything. You can even have characters like lysithea who îs weak af, lift things în gameplay. So yes, to combat îs mostly canon în cutscene, not în gameplay. The canon ignores HOW you did it în gameplay and goes to a cutscene. Dimitri can also get killed în gameplay by a thief with a wooden bat, would you consider that canon?
Finite vs Infinity Infinity vs Infinity squared Infinity+1 squared vs Infinity to the power of infinity Infinity+1 to the power of a shitload vs Infinity to the power of infinity squared to the power of I don't even know I feel like there's too many infinities
We're lucky that Ant Man vs Atom never specified that Hank could use the Overspace to attack, because if they had done so, then it would have been Star level vs Beyond infinite dimensions.
I wouldn't say that makes sense given that they also gave the first flame statements of controlling past present and future. Which still wouldn't place the chosen undead close to the Dovahkin. As it would take the tarnished from Elden Ring to truly put a dent into the Dovahkin
@@shirothr5384 hey could you answer me that how strong is the tarnished to where you think you could touch the Dovakin because I’ve been trying to look online and RUclips and no one seems to give me a straight answer of where he scales power wise they only talk about the player as in the person who plays as the tarnish
@jasondobbins9735 the best scaling I could have is the Elden Beast being basically a arbiter for at least a infinite multiverse and the Erdtree basically being exactly like Yggdrasil. The tarnished scales directly too the Elden Beast and by extension the Erdtree itself from what I can gather. Granted, it is my interpretation of how the Elden Beast is and how its arena looks to be an infinitely expanding mass of Erdtree's all of which house their own universe of stars, solar systems, galaxies, and universes. I didn't say that the Tarnished would win, as they still get AP stomped from what I can gather.
i find makima vs gojo to be a bit of a schrödinger's stop, specifically because i don't quite remember how they explained reversed curse healing, and if they touched if it can regenerate his head. realistically it shouldn't, because cursed energy is fueled by emotions and those come from the brain, plus gojo isn't automatically regenerating like makima, so if she landed a blow to his head, she'd hypothetically just win. this would technically mean gojo doesn't perfectly counter makima with his abilities, making it overall a bit more fair. but rather than confirm or deny this, i don't think they even mention gojo's brain, meaning you can't tell if by their own logic, makima even has a chance of killing him, which if not would definitely be a stomp.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks that MM VS SS was weirdly laid out. Knowing nothing about the characters, of course I betted on the multiversal being who could match Superman and God over a planet buster
The most unfair death battle in my opinion was Dragonborn vs Chosen Undead. Chosen Undead was like a Universal+/4D being who was put up against a guy who was compared to the level of a Daedric Prince who are beings that can casually manipulate countless infinite dimensional realms of Oblivion... and this was only after the Dragonborn absorbed his first dragon soul (so really early into Skyrim).
Doesn't help that they goofed with Dark Souls' universe quite a bit, especially with how they spoke about the First Flame being powerful enough to sustain their universe and flow of time but "can't be infinite" because otherwise "it never would've faded to begin with" Adding on with one small quote out of Clavicus Vile when you (aka the DB) asked for power and his response is translatable as "dude, you *_already_* have power, what more could you want?" and its pretty clear in reminding people that Death Battle doesn't know what they're doing.
Actually they explicitly say Dark Souls doesn't have infinite power in the analysis Boomstick: In comparison, the First Flame is powerful enough to sustain a universe and the flow of time, but it *can't be infinite*. Otherwise, it never would have faded to begin with.
I realised that in order for the next season of DB to outdo this season's stomp, they would have to have a character that scales to Galactus against someone weaker than Unicron; or, and this is the interesting part, an Outerversal character against a non-Outerversal character. And do correct me if I'm wrong here since I don't do scaling this high, my brain melts. So, if they mention a character is beyond dimentiality in the next season, we have a new winner for biggest stomp.
Ngl none of this matches Season 1's Thor vs Raiden. At least for Discord, Unicron, and Goku they're some incomprehensibly powerful beings that ignore conventional terms for strength. Raiden meanwhile is a dude who died blowing up a building with the help of two other guys and they put him up against someone who absolute bare minimum shatters solar systems with singular blows.
She will need to be stronger than Gojo to do that which she wasn't. She would only be able to damage Gojo but not kill him while Gojo would just heal any potential injuries
The funny part about the FE community thinking Guts should’ve won and learning what power scaling is, was that they didn’t even give Dimitri his FTL combat speed iirc. Like, Guts stood NO CHANCE bro
Me personally I thought there was a slim chance that rocket could beat stitch if he had a different weapon but now seeing how strong stitch is HELL NAW rocket had no chance 💔😖
So, congrats. I think you broke my brain. I can at least understand the concept of normal scaling. But dimensional scaling? I got nothing. I fully trust you on this, but even the thought of TRYING to comprehend this stuff gives me a headache. Kudos, dude. Kudos.
The funny thing about Goku vs. Superman, that I always say is to forget the numbers and instead look at how many feats they have done that are infinite in idea. Whatever Goku has done, Superman has done 5 times over and on a bigger scale. Destory a universe with punch collisons? Done it at least 4 times. Move faster than time? Done it 5 times. Shook voids? Yes. Defeated gods? Yes. Superman is even immune to being hakai'd or erased from existence.
Bruh, never knew that from skyrim vs dark souls to galactus vs unicron, are one of the most unfeir matches in fictional history. And i am quite suprised that they depict each one of these unfair battles as if they're equal. Kinda interesting to point out.
Dragonborn vs Chosen Undead is easily number one because Fireborn is the best DB track and that clearly carries it above any other ranking method Seriously though, it's funny how the list goes from "Haha funny big number" to just "YEah this is getting ridiculous" so quickly
The reason ss won because MM didn’t have a way to put him down permanently, also MM has a weakness that is a natural ability of silver surfer. Meanwhile MM had no abilities to put ss down.
Darth Vader vs Obito should be wrong by other episodes logic. They use upscaling for Gojo in Gojo vs Makima, but don't give Vader upscaling he would get from the Ewok feat. In the black box they scale him to Luke who had a picosecond reaction feat which at minimum would make Vader 23× faster. And in the black box they say Vader can resist the soul manipulation but he has to use an ability.
I Agree with the Chosen Undead Vs Dragonborn, Sure chosen to can come back over and over but Dragonborn is Way too powerful for Chosen Undead to really do anything. And Dragonborn Didn't even use 5% of his abilities and weapons
@@RyoKasai25 Dragon Aspect is basically him going Super Saiyan, and the vowe of silence won't work cause the dragonborn could absorb the spell with atronach perk and standing stone abilities Dovahkiin was Low balled Chosen Undead was High balled
@@gtrb5628 That just goes to show how crazy powerful the DB is. Even if you low ball him or even nerf him, he still stomps. Like that meme of Goku without legs or arms.
Dimensional tiering and its consequences has been a disaster for the Power Scaling community. In all seriousness though it does get kinda frustrating when a debate seems super close and enjoyable to determine the differences, and then someone comes in and declares everything irrelevant because one character experiences things in a way that is as alien to our experience, as our experience is to theirs, but this character as a 4 next to it while the other has a 3. Doctor Who actually did a really good episode on this, a 2D species was invading Earth and humanity couldn't fight back because we have no way of fighting something that doesn't even play by the same ruleset as 3D beings. It's actually a really interesting concept that handles "Dimensionality" better than anyone in the Power Scaling community has ever tried to handle it
To be fair that logic for dimensionality is moreso based around pseudo realism if anything which probably wouldn't translate well into power scaling. Though if it was put into dimensional tiering it would most definitely break the entire power scaling system
I love how open minded this video is. Nemesis even puts the Stitch vs Rocket gap in between #5 and #4 for those who prefer that, and he straight up says all of the bigger than infinity ones are really subjective and could be placed in just about any order. I'll honestly be very surprised if Death Battle ever tops Galactus vs Unicron in terms of power gap.
If they ever bring The Doctor back with The Glory, considering it's above Galactus and the entirety of the Marvel cosmology, it would be wild. I really hope they do, because having The Doctor, a madman with a box, as the strongest character in Death Battle history would be hilarious.
Im just tired of basically every character being scaled to light speed and multiversal... like, thats just random statements that mean nothing to what human comprehension actually allows for. Its not really a fun match when its "infinity" vs "infinity+1".
@@dhantefranklin336I LOVE death battle/vs matchups, i like thinking about who would win and comparing things, but when every character is lightspeed, multiversal or whatever, i feel it kinda takes the fun out of it cause nothing matters anymore, its just "my invincible shield stops your unstoppable bullets"
Infinity vs infinity + doesn’t even make sense in the first place, there is nothing that goes above infinite power, if it does, then it is clearly not infinite because there is actually an end to that power, a limit to that power. So you can’t really say that character has infinite power anymore if a character can surpass that power. I had an argument with some guy in this comment section that supported the idea of infinity + and man what he said sounded stupid.
@@DemiCapeNow, technically there are different levels of infinity- thats not a powerscale thing, its a maths and physics thing. Unfortunately, its also a way for people say that a character scales in 15 infinities.
9:27 Is no one gonna mention the name he said? I feel this needs to be pointed out, just a tiny bit. 👌 It's not that big a deal, but I just can't help but notice it.
Galactus just went from incomprehensable, to literal true omnipotence. Yikes, doesnt that class gim as outerverasl, or maybe beyond at that point, what with the infinite infinite dimensions above a being that itself is multible layers beyond beyond infinity, in both power and dimensionality?
More than half of the combatants were universal, including Scooby Doo and Courage, the weakest characters should still destroy a large Town, and the slowest could run across America in 3 minutes. So the latter.
With movies Vader (which I assumed was what was used), sure. Obito wins. If they used *LEGENDS* Vader, I don’t know what they were smoking because legends Vader would *DESTROY* Obito.
The car outside was some genius foreshadowing
Ok but the real question is if it was a ranged rover
that car outside solos every character this season tbh
That car is real at least
Unicron and Galactus getting negged
Agreed
Biff Weed stepping in to do freizatron was really sweet
Agreed
Based Range Rover.
That's real-ass friendship
So Death Battle is basically like two kids playing with imaginary powers:
-I have infinite power so I win
-Nuh uh I have infinite plus one power
Correction: Death Battle is what if you tried to calculate which of those two kids was right.
The top three sounded like a playground argument where a kid just keeps adding one infinity onto his favourite character's power so that he beats every other person's favourite character
"Mine's infinite, so I win."
"Nuh, uh. Mine's infinity times infinity!"
"Mine's infinity times 9 infinity!"
"Mine's infinity times infinity, infinity times!"
By the time we got to the top 4 I was just asking myself “what the fuck is happening?”
Infinity>infinity obviously
@@ziangli4836 It was more a unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
VS Debates once it moves past universal in a nutshell.
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and we haven't even reached the boundless characters yet.
@@chongwillson972just wait until Death Battle finds out about Infinite Outerversal, Extraversal, Pataversal and beyond.
Y’know going into this I was fully expecting Skyrim vs Dark Souls to be #1. I should’ve known not to underestimate the absolute anarchy that is Marvel cosmology.
I think you should add comics cosmology in general. This stuff gets ridiculos
Superman was downplayed and Goku was wanked. Superman at his best is Extraversal while Goku at his best in DBS is only Low Multiversal and in Xenoverse is only Outerversal. Also Galactus is downplayed and Unicron is about right. Galactus normally is Universe+ but when he's full and after current events he's easily High Outerversal and Lightbringer Galactus was Infinite Outerversal.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki so, Galactus is even more ridiculos.
@@CerealExperimentsMizukimost of the stuff you just said was wrong, but Superman does indeed slam Goku. You’re definitely overwanking multiversal characters to outerversal though
@@captainb.mccrea5480 which ones do you think are only Multiversal?? Goku is Low Multiversal as he cannot even destroy Infinite 4D Universes and Unicron is Multiverse+ for, well... threatening to and having the power to destroy the Multiverse lol and Galactus scales to Outerversal powers due to Marvel cosmology and generic Celestials can be argued to be Outerversal alone and Galactus surpasses all other Celestials apart from Dark Celestials. Also due to D.C. Cosmology Superman at his peak using the Story Of Superman is top 5 in the verse only being beaten by beings such as Ehl, Milk-Man Man, Greg Freehly and The Leviathan Of Stories which are all Extraversal. There's nothing that contradicts any of this.
I still thinks it’s funny that the fire emblem fandom is one of the few fandoms that actually downplays their characters
Not really. Death battle doesn't even know fire emblem and really over played Dimitri with feats he never displayed. And most game feats are not even canon to The story. Otherwise guts game feats also would be canon. And The javelin of light were not even nukes, The explosion of the ones rhea took were small. We even see the size of the explosion, they are smaller than rhea, one even hits the ground and it barely made a small crater. And Dimitri can't tank a javelin of light , he dies from knives, as he almost died from Fleche, a Girl with a dagger. The feats are exaggerated, which most death battle scalers do. Most fire emblem fans didn't down play Dimitri, they scale him much better than any death battle "researcher".
@@mihaimercenarul7467 Well that means Fleche with a knife is clearly city-level and hypersonic /s
@@mihaimercenarul7467 Thanos was beaten by a literal child saying "no"
@@MegaPokefan97 well yeah since thanos îs from comics, and there are over 500 different versions of marvel universes and writers. Of course în some comics you will have a baby sneezing a multi verse cuz comics. But three houses is just one world, unless you count fire emblem heroes. There are writers who have spiderman being out of character and dorind things he would never do. Comics are written by different writers that can write whatever they want. I bet there îs a Tony stark who îs home less and ends up beating a multiversal entity în a few days.
@@mihaimercenarul7467just say youre angry guts lost LOL
Not to forget Galactus had a weapon that could perfectly deal with Unicron. The moment they mentioned that i knew it was over. Literally gets around Unicron's whole thing. So even if Galactus was just as strong or even weaker than Unicron, he would still win, which is crazy.
Without it unicron is winning
@@code066funkinbird3 bro did NOT watch the video
@@heleno6917 I seen it pal
I know it’s unrelated but I’m still so happy that Guts vs Dimitri exists because it was the push to get me into Fire Emblem
Before then I just played Lucina in Ultimate
An interesting potential video in the same vein as this one is which matchups are retroactively wrong by using the current stats for one fighter but the original stats of the other. For example, the current Goku’s stats (that they use strictly for DBZ) means he speedblitzes the hell out of the stuff they gave only for GvS 1. They also made Vegeta win Thor’s match by making him ludicrously stronger and equivalent in speed, given they directly scale him to Goku.
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Like how when Master Chief vs Doomguy was made it made sense but now it is inaccurate because of Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal.
To be fair the last Goku was a composite one
@@msmith1890They haven’t had anyone from Doom on Death Battle since his only match. This would be only using the numbers the characters/franchises are given in later episodes, as opposed to stuff in their own media.
Technically Thor vs Vegeta could still be correct. Yes their universe calc would now be wrong. But unless you also give Vegeta infinite speed (which would be fair) Thor would still win with the god blast which threatened infinite infinities Galactus. Goku's immeasurable speed was partially given to him because of ultra instinct which Vegeta doesnt have. So Thor could still be faster. But thats definetly debattable since they also claimed stopping a merged Zamasu could imply infinite speed.
I think someone already said it, but "retroactively wrong" episodes would be fun to look at, based on characters who have gotten greater feats since their debut. That would require research beyond the episode itself but I think it'd be pretty interesting to retroactively analyze episodes of Death Battle to see if the results hold up with new statistics (like if Pikachu still gets stomped by Blanka, or if Rainbow Dash would actually beat Starscream)
There was idea of it on death battle subreddit where they have gone on each season and each episode with question right or wrong at today.
Surprisingly i think the lowest was around 60% (edit: the lowest is 78%) for one of seasons while on average it's like 87% or so especially by time of latest episodes.
11:31 Correction: people in the Fire Emblem community who hate Three Houses/Dimitri believe that he should've gotten folded, fans of Dimitri/Three Houses were unbelievably ecstatic that they gave him those feats. Basically all you need to know is the Fire Emblem community is a hot dumpster fire and everyone hates each other
So basically every fandom in existance. Got it 👍
i like Dimitri but i was still surprised he won
I'm a fan of Three Houses, neutral on Dimitri, and while I'm not sure whether I think he wins, the logic DB uses is definitely faulty. They compared Dimitri defeating a mutated Edelgard to a non-mutated Edelgard with an axe defeating Rhea, to Rhea surviving a couple of missiles, with no proof that the connections are actually relevant. Especially as far as Edelgard is concerned.
@@tehesprite502 im not a fan of fire emblem but wouldnt Dimitris abilities like the negate armor really put a hurtting on guts. i get the scaling is bs but wouldnt his feats allow him to beat guts. im sorry i never played a single fire emblem game so i wouldnt know i jsut know the characters from smash ( litterally my first introduction to them)
@@coolchrisable Maybe, again I'm not sure on how the matchup actually plays out, but my point is that DB focuses on the wrong things for determining that.
I’d bet we’re NEVER getting a bigger stomp than Galactus Vs Unicron unless we get another MU with some insane DC/Marvel abstract dude. I didn’t even notice they put Galactus at outerversal.
Just wait for wile e v bugs, that could do it lol, arguably saitama vs Popeye already did it.
@@nhbons783ehh Saitama Vs Popeye was just like Solar system level vs fought a being 1 dimension higher.
@@AffyMoon but you can very well argue 4th wall breaker is higher than any dimensional tiering.
@@nhbons783Rick and The Doctor have also broken the fourth wall but they weren't put any dimension higher. Breaking the fourth wall would not automatically translate to higher dimensional tiering
@@nhbons783 but he didn't ACTUALLY punch a real person. He was punching a fictional representation of said person. Throwing hands with your creator without context only gives you like 5D scaling at best. And it doesn't even give ya that if it's something like Wade killing his writers
I can't believe we've found ways to power scale characters beyond infinity despite infinity being endless by definition. Your continuously growing mad tone was very fitting in that regard.
It's called math, not all infinities are equal
I think its set theory or something. Watever its called, its real. You can have higher infinitys. Technically
The theory is basically infinite multiples of twos is less than infinite multiples of one, since multiples of one and two overlaps, but multiples of ones has some that don’t, meaning they have more.
@@kcoolthegamermultiples as in 2 4 6 8 ... vs 1 2 3 4 ... ?
I eat Set Theory for breakfast, Powersets for Lunch and Lovecraft Cosmology for dinner.
It is hilarious to me how, once we get to those top episodes, they don't seem like as big of stomps to a casual viewer.
For most people who watch Galactus vs. Unicron, it probably just feels like "Oh yeah, they do the same stuff, but Galactus' world is bigger. Okay, so it was pretty close then". Since our brains don't have a way of conceptualizing infinities stacking on top of infinities.
Not to say people are stupid. We just literally aren't built to be able to see math at that level.
Basically non powerscalers and powerscalers. My friends always get inpressed when a mountain blows up but ive scaled ppl who reach multiversal or beyond dimensionality even. They havent seen power yet
It's easy for me because I deal with verses that make Marvel and D.C. cosmology look Infintesimal.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki Can you name some of those verses?
@@mrheello5181 I can name 5 off the top of my head.
Biggest verse I know of is my own verse that I created which has so many stories inside of it that there's no one word to describe it so I'll just call it my verse.
But 5 other verses which are bigger than D.C. are;
Howard Phillips Lovecraft's Yogg'Sothothory.
Stephen Baxter's Manifoldverse.
Rudy Rucker's Ruckerverse.
Stephen King's Macroverse.
SCP verse.
The Death Battle crew are actually eldritch beings confirmed
I still think a "Most Unfair Death Battles by my logic" series would go hard, where instead of ranking it by Death Battle's research, you rank them by your research and you can compare the two series.
The community would come for his head if he did that so I wouldn't expect him to do this
That would require him to actually research every single one of those series, some of which he has made it clear he has no familiarity with, and some of which have literal decades worth of source material and huge expanded universes. Probably not feasible.
That final entry just sounds like 2 kids arguing about how their character wins a fight
theory: the car outside wasn't starting, it was the reversed audio of Biff Weed arriving in nemesis' driveway to cover frieztron
Funny how Unicron is the victim of the biggest stomp, yet still solos everyone else.
eh that can be debated. not with me though, i'm doing
Still picking superman.
That's because Dimensional Tiering is a b!t€h
However, some people argue that Chuck Norris and Segata Sanshiro could take both Unicron and Galactus
Still, regardless of who people would put at the top, I love the fact that the hyperwanked Dante, Vergil, and Kratos are nothing compared to what's basically a toy robot 😂
Superman normally scales to Outerversal and can go up to Extraversal with Story Of Superman while Unicron is Multiverse+ at best.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki I'm mostly talking by DB's logic. But Supes is probably a lot stronger than we might think.
My dads probably the biggest Surfer Fan, and he’d probably break several of your bones hearing you say he should’ve lost
Silver Surfer probably still wins, Death Battle just didn’t explain well why the Power Cosmic is more powerful than Martian Manhunter
@@PepperonibeatsZombiethat's because it isn't.
What the hell are some of these numbers like jesus christ what am I looking at??? How are there 4 matchups that end up as infinity vs bigger infinitie???? What is going on????
I find it funny The only way to beat the top spot in stomping is if you use the established scale placement for The Doctor and Rick Sanchez.
I like your funny words, magic man
Honestly the gap between the Top 5 unfair fights compared to the rest is striking.
Also, as much as I love Guts, Dimitri should’ve had the edge in speed as well. (I also do love Dimitri as a character, FYI)
Nah Dimitri is slower and over played. By game logic even a kid or farmer can dodge lighting. Which canon wise no one can
@@mihaimercenarul7467Why does it matter that it’s “by game logic.” They’re characters in a video game, so it’s totally normal to use feats from within the video game. Not everything has to be a cutscene; that’s not where most combat takes place.
@@agentglowstick8704 then why doesn't guts get feats from games to? Cuz they are not canon? Cuz the gamepkay feats of three houses are also not canon. You can finish a map with just one character that concically didn't fight anyone not he killed everyone în The Map. You can beat the final boss solo with a villager, even tho he didn't în canon. The gameplay feats are nkt for logic, but for gameplay mechanics, which again, do Not mix with the actual feats. So being from a game means that death battle once again, exaggerate the feats.
Because Guts' source material is from a manga/comic and Dimitri is from a videogame?
@@agentglowstick8704 not to mention The combat îs not canon în game 99% of the time during gameplay. You can finish The Map with just one unit that cononically didn't do anything. You can even have characters like lysithea who îs weak af, lift things în gameplay. So yes, to combat îs mostly canon în cutscene, not în gameplay. The canon ignores HOW you did it în gameplay and goes to a cutscene. Dimitri can also get killed în gameplay by a thief with a wooden bat, would you consider that canon?
Finite vs Infinity
Infinity vs Infinity squared
Infinity+1 squared vs Infinity to the power of infinity
Infinity+1 to the power of a shitload vs Infinity to the power of infinity squared to the power of I don't even know
I feel like there's too many infinities
We're lucky that Ant Man vs Atom never specified that Hank could use the Overspace to attack, because if they had done so, then it would have been Star level vs Beyond infinite dimensions.
Technically they put Discord at 4D+ while they put Bill at 5D, which would make the stomp on the level of Chosenborn at #5 instead of #3.
Yeah even if discord Is 11D+
I like how number 10 was presented. We need more content like that part on this channel.
Didn't they say in Dark Souls vs Skyrim, that the Dark Souls universe can not be infinite, as if it was the first flame could not go out?
If that is an accurate interpretation, then the stomp is even greater.
I wouldn't say that makes sense given that they also gave the first flame statements of controlling past present and future. Which still wouldn't place the chosen undead close to the Dovahkin. As it would take the tarnished from Elden Ring to truly put a dent into the Dovahkin
@@shirothr5384 hey could you answer me that how strong is the tarnished to where you think you could touch the Dovakin because I’ve been trying to look online and RUclips and no one seems to give me a straight answer of where he scales power wise they only talk about the player as in the person who plays as the tarnish
@jasondobbins9735 the best scaling I could have is the Elden Beast being basically a arbiter for at least a infinite multiverse and the Erdtree basically being exactly like Yggdrasil. The tarnished scales directly too the Elden Beast and by extension the Erdtree itself from what I can gather.
Granted, it is my interpretation of how the Elden Beast is and how its arena looks to be an infinitely expanding mass of Erdtree's all of which house their own universe of stars, solar systems, galaxies, and universes.
I didn't say that the Tarnished would win, as they still get AP stomped from what I can gather.
i find makima vs gojo to be a bit of a schrödinger's stop, specifically because i don't quite remember how they explained reversed curse healing, and if they touched if it can regenerate his head.
realistically it shouldn't, because cursed energy is fueled by emotions and those come from the brain, plus gojo isn't automatically regenerating like makima, so if she landed a blow to his head, she'd hypothetically just win. this would technically mean gojo doesn't perfectly counter makima with his abilities, making it overall a bit more fair.
but rather than confirm or deny this, i don't think they even mention gojo's brain, meaning you can't tell if by their own logic, makima even has a chance of killing him, which if not would definitely be a stomp.
Ah yes infinite infinity vs infinity ,I don’t know was happening after number 4
When he said city block rocket vs. universal stitch was only #5 and he still hadn’t mentioned Goku vs. Superman I knew the salt was gonna be real
Its funny how at first its actual logic before it descends into just throwing out really big numbers
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks that MM VS SS was weirdly laid out. Knowing nothing about the characters, of course I betted on the multiversal being who could match Superman and God over a planet buster
Potential future idea for a video: Ranking Death Battle combatants based on their voice acting.
The most unfair death battle in my opinion was Dragonborn vs Chosen Undead.
Chosen Undead was like a Universal+/4D being who was put up against a guy who was compared to the level of a Daedric Prince who are beings that can casually manipulate countless infinite dimensional realms of Oblivion... and this was only after the Dragonborn absorbed his first dragon soul (so really early into Skyrim).
Doesn't help that they goofed with Dark Souls' universe quite a bit, especially with how they spoke about the First Flame being powerful enough to sustain their universe and flow of time but "can't be infinite" because otherwise "it never would've faded to begin with"
Adding on with one small quote out of Clavicus Vile when you (aka the DB) asked for power and his response is translatable as "dude, you *_already_* have power, what more could you want?" and its pretty clear in reminding people that Death Battle doesn't know what they're doing.
Actually they explicitly say Dark Souls doesn't have infinite power in the analysis
Boomstick: In comparison, the First Flame is powerful enough to sustain a universe and the flow of time, but it *can't be infinite*. Otherwise, it never would have faded to begin with.
I realised that in order for the next season of DB to outdo this season's stomp, they would have to have a character that scales to Galactus against someone weaker than Unicron; or, and this is the interesting part, an Outerversal character against a non-Outerversal character. And do correct me if I'm wrong here since I don't do scaling this high, my brain melts.
So, if they mention a character is beyond dimentiality in the next season, we have a new winner for biggest stomp.
Well that Mr. Beast joke sure did age badly
Ngl none of this matches Season 1's Thor vs Raiden. At least for Discord, Unicron, and Goku they're some incomprehensibly powerful beings that ignore conventional terms for strength.
Raiden meanwhile is a dude who died blowing up a building with the help of two other guys and they put him up against someone who absolute bare minimum shatters solar systems with singular blows.
9:08 damnit, now I can’t shake the idea of Cole doing the Mr Beast pose
I thought it was funny how all Makima had to do was aim for the head instead of the chest and she would won.
Exactly
thor: i told you so
She will need to be stronger than Gojo to do that which she wasn't. She would only be able to damage Gojo but not kill him while Gojo would just heal any potential injuries
Ugh, I love Bill Cipher VS Discord, but that research, man. 🤦
4:14 that's some nice music in the background
Oh how we love dimensional scaling
The funny part about the FE community thinking Guts should’ve won and learning what power scaling is, was that they didn’t even give Dimitri his FTL combat speed iirc.
Like, Guts stood NO CHANCE bro
The top few numbers on this list were just increasingly large examples of set theory lmao
Big ol' numbers this season
This is one of my favourite series on RUclips.
I honestly thought billcord was gonna be one of the lowest one.
Guess that's whay Marvel gets for mistreating Galactus. The Power Cosmic stomps all. Lol.
Impressive how much content you can make, thats really fast.
Keep up the great content
Halfway through the video, I thought to myself that Galactus versus Unicron was going to take the #1 spot here. Oh, how naive I was to get it right.
The biggest stomp was nemsis vs the car .
infinities being smaller than others is just insane to me. but thats the community.
Yes doesn’t make sense.
Me personally I thought there was a slim chance that rocket could beat stitch if he had a different weapon but now seeing how strong stitch is HELL NAW rocket had no chance 💔😖
Correct me if i am wrong at all. But didnt galactic loose to thanos in one timeline? Who doesn't have any of that infinity stuff?
Welcome to comic books where one day Spiderman can be portrayed as somewhat superhuman, and the next trading blows with the hulk.
That goku vs superman fight was lit.
So, congrats. I think you broke my brain. I can at least understand the concept of normal scaling. But dimensional scaling? I got nothing. I fully trust you on this, but even the thought of TRYING to comprehend this stuff gives me a headache.
Kudos, dude. Kudos.
The funny thing about Goku vs. Superman, that I always say is to forget the numbers and instead look at how many feats they have done that are infinite in idea.
Whatever Goku has done, Superman has done 5 times over and on a bigger scale.
Destory a universe with punch collisons? Done it at least 4 times.
Move faster than time? Done it 5 times.
Shook voids? Yes.
Defeated gods? Yes.
Superman is even immune to being hakai'd or erased from existence.
Bruh, never knew that from skyrim vs dark souls to galactus vs unicron, are one of the most unfeir matches in fictional history. And i am quite suprised that they depict each one of these unfair battles as if they're equal. Kinda interesting to point out.
Number 1: Galactus vs Unicron. Difference: *yes*
It is kind of funny how they said that Rick only has human level physical strength
Dragonborn vs Chosen Undead is easily number one because Fireborn is the best DB track and that clearly carries it above any other ranking method
Seriously though, it's funny how the list goes from "Haha funny big number" to just "YEah this is getting ridiculous" so quickly
The reason ss won because MM didn’t have a way to put him down permanently, also MM has a weakness that is a natural ability of silver surfer. Meanwhile MM had no abilities to put ss down.
Ok this is ridiculous, it's literally impossible now for Death Battle to have a bigger gap in power in any future fight.
It is not.
a character beyond the concept of spatial dimensions (Outerversal like zatana) Vs a wall level character.
Darth Vader vs Obito should be wrong by other episodes logic. They use upscaling for Gojo in Gojo vs Makima, but don't give Vader upscaling he would get from the Ewok feat. In the black box they scale him to Luke who had a picosecond reaction feat which at minimum would make Vader 23× faster. And in the black box they say Vader can resist the soul manipulation but he has to use an ability.
9:08 made me do a spittake, lmfao
I Agree with the Chosen Undead Vs Dragonborn, Sure chosen to can come back over and over but Dragonborn is Way too powerful for Chosen Undead to really do anything.
And Dragonborn Didn't even use 5% of his abilities and weapons
You know what's crazier? The DB didn't even use Dragon Aspect, which makes him even more powerful. Th CU never stood a chance.
@@RyoKasai25 Dragon Aspect is basically him going Super Saiyan, and the vowe of silence won't work cause the dragonborn could absorb the spell with atronach perk and standing stone abilities
Dovahkiin was Low balled
Chosen Undead was High balled
@@gtrb5628 That just goes to show how crazy powerful the DB is. Even if you low ball him or even nerf him, he still stomps. Like that meme of Goku without legs or arms.
Dimensional tiering and its consequences has been a disaster for the Power Scaling community.
In all seriousness though it does get kinda frustrating when a debate seems super close and enjoyable to determine the differences, and then someone comes in and declares everything irrelevant because one character experiences things in a way that is as alien to our experience, as our experience is to theirs, but this character as a 4 next to it while the other has a 3.
Doctor Who actually did a really good episode on this, a 2D species was invading Earth and humanity couldn't fight back because we have no way of fighting something that doesn't even play by the same ruleset as 3D beings. It's actually a really interesting concept that handles "Dimensionality" better than anyone in the Power Scaling community has ever tried to handle it
To be fair that logic for dimensionality is moreso based around pseudo realism if anything which probably wouldn't translate well into power scaling. Though if it was put into dimensional tiering it would most definitely break the entire power scaling system
We need every Kaiju weakest to strongest part 3!
I love how open minded this video is. Nemesis even puts the Stitch vs Rocket gap in between #5 and #4 for those who prefer that, and he straight up says all of the bigger than infinity ones are really subjective and could be placed in just about any order.
I'll honestly be very surprised if Death Battle ever tops Galactus vs Unicron in terms of power gap.
WTF is going on with the scaling of this season?!?
Marvel and DC
Death battle sometimes don’t use, all the information they research
So superman can stomp Bill Cipher, never knew.
One of the authors of MLP stated the existence of M theory that would mean MLP have at Least 11 mathematical dimensions
source? also the video only talks about stuff that DB managed to find
@@yeetneet5334 It was One of the twitters of MLP that stated the existence of quantum physics and M theory
If they ever bring The Doctor back with The Glory, considering it's above Galactus and the entirety of the Marvel cosmology, it would be wild. I really hope they do, because having The Doctor, a madman with a box, as the strongest character in Death Battle history would be hilarious.
Superman with the story of superman >>>the doctor with the glory
@@superironman8324 But because Marvel and DC are connected, that also means that The Glory transcends DC cosmology too.
It's amazing. Infinity has lost all meaning.
Car outside > Némésis 🗿
Tf does the butterfly mean am I missing a piece of Ray lore
Shout outs to ending the video on I gotta get back to the grind.
Im just tired of basically every character being scaled to light speed and multiversal... like, thats just random statements that mean nothing to what human comprehension actually allows for. Its not really a fun match when its "infinity" vs "infinity+1".
It's so lame.
@@dhantefranklin336I LOVE death battle/vs matchups, i like thinking about who would win and comparing things, but when every character is lightspeed, multiversal or whatever, i feel it kinda takes the fun out of it cause nothing matters anymore, its just "my invincible shield stops your unstoppable bullets"
Infinity vs infinity + doesn’t even make sense in the first place, there is nothing that goes above infinite power, if it does, then it is clearly not infinite because there is actually an end to that power, a limit to that power. So you can’t really say that character has infinite power anymore if a character can surpass that power. I had an argument with some guy in this comment section that supported the idea of infinity + and man what he said sounded stupid.
@@DemiCapeNow, technically there are different levels of infinity- thats not a powerscale thing, its a maths and physics thing. Unfortunately, its also a way for people say that a character scales in 15 infinities.
just debate with more grounded character's. Not every character is scaled to light speed or multiversal.
9:27 Is no one gonna mention the name he said? I feel this needs to be pointed out, just a tiny bit. 👌 It's not that big a deal, but I just can't help but notice it.
Galactus just went from incomprehensable, to literal true omnipotence. Yikes, doesnt that class gim as outerverasl, or maybe beyond at that point, what with the infinite infinite dimensions above a being that itself is multible layers beyond beyond infinity, in both power and dimensionality?
Dang it, nerfed Doctor cost the win of the stomp of the season
the car outside solos all
I fucking love this channel
at this point, I'm honesty not sure if death battle had gotten better at scaling or they just learned some big words and are just as shit as they were
More than half of the combatants were universal, including Scooby Doo and Courage, the weakest characters should still destroy a large Town, and the slowest could run across America in 3 minutes. So the latter.
Question: Where exactly did DB scale Superman?
Are you saying he's 9 Dimensional, or 12 Dimensional?
A infinite 3D Multiverse, with 9 spatial dimensions, I guess
@@Daniel-lg7bothank you!
What are the songs you used?
Jojo vs kenshiro unfair fighting
Idea for a video is you could say what series that you dont want to be in a death battle
Well his smarter because his a the best knowing all the characters.
Ok but what the actual hell
With movies Vader (which I assumed was what was used), sure. Obito wins. If they used *LEGENDS* Vader, I don’t know what they were smoking because legends Vader would *DESTROY* Obito.
My guess is number 1 is Stitch vs Rocket.
Your guess is sooooooooo wrong.
DeathBattle: It was a pretty close match
People with a brain: No. Not even by your own twisted and dumb logic. No.
I love stomps