The Bible's Historical Inaccuracies - Part 1
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- I delve into an investigation of the historicity of the biblical narrative with the help of renowned Bible scholars, and uncover glaring evidence of a sacred text at times entirely disconnected with the historical record as confirmed by archeology.
Chapters:
00:01:16 - Introduction
00:05:32 - Why is the Bible's historicity significant?
00:08:58 - Example 1 - The Patriarchs and earlier
00:13:30 - Example 2 - The Exodus from Egypt
00:16:41 - Example 3 - Joshua's conquest of Canaan
00:20:33 - Example 4 - David and Solomon's empire
00:25:35 - Example 5 - The significance of Omri
00:34:08 - Example 6 - Centralized worship in Jerusalem
00:40:35 - Example 7 - The book of Daniel
00:48:30 - Example 8 - Quirinius
00:54:16 - Example 9 - Conclusion
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Hey, I've just realized that I've never ever thanked you. So, THANK YOU! Unknowingly you have helped me and many others, I am sure. I was baptized many years ago and slowly began to question my allegiance to "the truth". When I finally decided to leave, I was constantly looking for the signs of the final days, half believing that I had made an erroneous decision. When I discovered your channel it became a great comfort, so THANK YOU once again, you are amazing!
My pleasure! Glad I could help! 🙂
Very interesting! We were always told the Bible is historically accurate, but we never did research and just believed it! Thanks a lot Lloyd!!
Such a true comment. I think for most of us it is a result of child indoctrination....
We "just believed" WAY too much.
And if you were to research, you would be pulled into the back room - even if you quoted from the very book JeeWhova Gorbs quote from. So it’s not as if one would feel comfortable or safe doing the research.
I didn’t think to research it. They made me feel like they had dig in and did all the hard work for me. Good lord. So close to asking them to chew my food and spit it in my mouth for me. How embarrassing!!!
When I was about eleven we had an hour a week of religious instruction in our "secular" school. We were divided into Catholics and others, and us "others" would get a different cleric each week. Maybe an Anglican, a Presbyterian etc .I asked one a question about the impossibility of something in the bible and he was unable to answer me, in fact he reported me to the headmaster as a troublemaker who tried to disrupt his lesson. I became an agnostic that day and by the end of the year was an atheist! I bet whoever came each week was pleased when I finally went on to high school! I read the bible more than they could ever have hoped I would, but only to have a new question for whatever unfortunate that turned up each week. Nothing since then has ever made me question my decision!
You obviously need to do a course on Biblical interpretazione.
Pleased to see a full length video from you again 🙌🏻
Thank you, you had a big part in our exit 3 yr ago. Now we have spend the last couple of years decontructing our Faith. Feeling free and enjoying everyday. We are almost 30 leaving together. Love from Denmark
That’s so lovely! Congratulations on your freedom!
Wow!!! That is a congregation !!! 😂
Congratulations you are all 30 out!!
We are 7 out of 10 in my family
That have woken up!
Greetings from Puerto Rico !
Congratulations. Never was a JW but left the Mormon church about 14 years ago. The first years were rather difficult even though I knew it was not true. Happier now, more than ever. Good luck.
This is a remarkable. Please share few details how you managed to navigate to each other without a fear of being ratted to elders. I assume you were all in different stages of awaking etc. I am sure thousands of EXJWs and PIMOs wonder how to find the like minded within family and congregation and how to connect with each other... what about sharing your 30-story in an interview with Lloyd or other YTuber? I am sure I am not the only one super curious.
Ok you are wrong. Sclholars accept the cataclysmic flood as an event...proff of which is found in topography and geology.
Oh so the first person you cite says that the story of Patricahs are mot untrue but could he true. You lean towrad the extreme part of the assertions. We have more evidence for the Bible than we have for more recent periods of history such as the Roman period
Thank you, Lloyd. I like your hair natural with the highlights. It looks good. Glad you're feeling better.❤
In your intro, you echo exactly what I've been feeling during the last two years of my deconstruction. I don't really care if someone believes in a loving god or in an afterlife or whatever, but the moment someone hold up the words of mortal men as the inerrant word of a perfect god, they have a tendency to feel like it is their duty to use it as a cudgel to tell other people how to live their lives.
I remember a lady mentioning the Ottoman empire when we talking about the Daniel prophecy. I was blown away by my ignorance and total acceptance of anything that came out of the borg.
The shock of my life when I learned a few years ago after all my life in the JW organization that Mathew Mark Luke and John didn't write the books that bear their names. My life changed after I listened to Dr Bart D Erman about the historicity of the new testament.
Same here!
Thank you Lloyd ❤
Am 16 mins in but already brilliant. Great book choices that are on my to be read list! Thank you for doing this hard work.
Just the kind of topic I could listen to all day and all night long. Well done Lloyd!!!💪💪💪BTW for any reading the comments Israel Finkelstein has done a brilliant series on RUclips called Conversations in The Archaeology and History of Ancient Israel. One can trust what he's saying as he's literally dug up the places we read about in the Bible.
I've been looking forward to this one! Great information presented. Very excited about whatever this series turns into. I'm pretty sure I voted for this one. Thanks!
I'll look forward to listening to this on my day off.
Hi Loyd and your family, i really love and respect you Mr, Loyd
Very well done, Lloyd 👍
Wow! A lot to take in. Bible history has always fascinated me. Keep the videos coming. Thank you!❤
Thank you, Lloyd! Now I have something really good to listen to tonight! 😊
Hi Lloyd, similar to others here you had a massive part in my leaving and in feeling validated in believing differently to everyone around me in the process which was especially important! I left officially in August 2023 but started waking up in 2019 just a few weeks before I came across your channel. Your mixture of logic and slightly sarcastic sense of humour resonate with me and helped soften the blow of the first upset in 2019 realising 'OH MY DAYS I KNEW something was really wrong here for a reason' epiphany. THANK YOU 😌
Thanks, I’m so glad I could help! I believe very much in the power of humor. If we didn’t laugh we could only cry.
Loving this lloyd! Cant wait for the rest of the series!
Hey man just wanted to thank you for your videos and work - your channel means a lot to people and you've helped loads over the years
I appreciate you saying that! Thank you!
Incredible! Can't thank you enough for this informative reasons why the bible is not only far from historical accuracy but accelerating away from it. Anxiously waiting for Part 2. Great thanks Lloyd. 👏💯
Thank you, Lloyd!
Love these scholars! 👏🏻
Fascinating! 🤔
Keep up the good work 👏
Another problem with the Joseph and Mary travelling story is why would the Romans care about where their ancestry was from? They wanted to know where you lived so they could know how much tax money to expect from a region. Another problem is that Mary and Joseph weren't yet married, so why would her parents allow her to travel to Bethlehem with Joseph? Sure, supposedly she was already pregnant, but that brings up other difficulties, like she should have been stoned to death for apparent promiscuity. Joseph as well since he didn't obviously deny being the father, so he had sex with a betrothed virgin before her wedding night. Deuteronomy makes it clear that's a stoning offense. And the bible makes it clear that he found out before their wedding night.
Thank you for that fantastic work!
This is how I like my information delivered, slow, calm and precise with an overview of both sides of the argument.
Compare Lloyd's method of teaching with the hysterical, loud, angry, threats of hate preachers and Bible Fundamentalists who only offer a one sided argument.
I loved the video. I love hearing about certain historical facts being presented, especially when they are clearly explained. I would love to be able to find information like these people put a lot of time and effort into doing the research, as for me I personally wouldn't know where to start. Some of the points brought out in your video, over the years I have been saying to my wife that somethings I have read didn't seem quite right so basically i started to dispute what I was actually reading from the scriptures. I thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us.
Fascinating, I learned a lot of new things. I also really appreciate the quality of the video editing ❤
Wonderful content, thoroughly enjoyed 😃
Great Job Lloyd
Lol..don’t worry Lloyd if you don’t know already you have a very soothing voice ,always got my full interest 👍
I am currently reading The Bible Unearthed for the fourth time. There is so much information in there. I would also recommend his book David and Solomon
I've read it, too. A brilliant book
20 minutes in while window cleaning (of course haha) and loving it
When you were talking about people that believe the bible is historically accurate… I immediately thought of that exercise we did in the pioneer school - whether something is considered as direct evidence of bible inspiration, or not evidence but what you would expect gods word to contain. And you nailed it - historical accuracy is what you would expect of an inspired text, but not direct evidence as of course many old texts are historically accurate but of course not divinely inspired. Pioneer school flashback haha (I faded recently after finally admitting to myself I no longer believed)
I am so grateful for the education that I have gathered from you. My husband was raised JW and still at 43 has difficulty talking about it. He has heavy feelings of shame and embarrassment from feeling so “different” from the other children during his schooling years, among many other feelings that have reflected negatively during parts of his life. When he does talk to me about it I have been able to understand so much more because of your ability to be patient and break things down and because of that he expresses more. Honestly, thank you.
Wow that's lovely of you to say. Thank you for being kind and patient with your husband. He's lucked out having you as his guide during these difficult conversations. ❤️
@@LloydEvans that is very kind of you to say.
First thing I thought: this is going to be lo~ong series.
I personally believe the whole bible is correct from the beginning to the end.
Greetings from Germany 🙂
I ned.
Grüße aus Bayern 🍻🥨🏔️😊
@@Lausbua. Viele Grüße aus Nordrhein-Westfalen :-) Das freut mich, dass ich nicht der einzige aus Deutschland bin, der diesen Kanal hier verfolgt. Wahrscheinlich hast du schon gesehen, dass es auch einen deutschsprachigen RUclips-Kanal über die ZJ gibt? (Der Kanal von Tobias Ain und seinem Verein "Betesda hilft")
@@bielefeldundmehr2461
Habe die Ehre mei Liaba 🙋
Ich schau ma gern die Videos (und Reaktionen) auf Englisch an, da es der O-Ton ist und ma dann doch mehr vom Original mitkriegt (ohne den Filter der Übersetzung) (: aber i schau's ma gern an, danke dir!
Der Traumawelt Kanal von JW (ja, geile Initialen 😂) is a no ziemlich gut.
Liebe Grüße nach NRW💪
@@Lausbua. Ich schaue mir diese Videos aus reinem Interesse an, obwohl ich mit dieser Gruppierung in meinem Leben nie zu tun hatte. Aber ich tue es auch ein wenig für meine Allgemeinbildung. Letztes Jahr habe ich mich zum Beispiel intensiv mit den Mormonen beschäftigt. Außerdem bin ich selbst überzeugter Christ, und dann vergleiche ich ganz gerne, wo die Unterschiede zu meinem eigenen Glauben sind.
@@bielefeldundmehr2461
Da schau her, interessant. Da hast wirklich Glück ghabt 😅 wurd in den Kult hineingeboren und seit dem Ausstieg hab i da leider gscheid Federn lassn müssen, um es mild auszudrücken.... Vogelwuid. (Vielleicht fallen dir ja a paar Gemeinsamkeiten zw den JZ und den Mormonen auf^^)
Neben all dem ist dieser Kanal hier von Lloyd sehr unterhaltsam. Ich liebe den (für mich Galgen-)Humor.
Ich wünsch dir alles Gute 🍀
I think there is just ONE historical inaccuracy - it starts with "In the beginning . . ." and goes to "Amen."
😂
Yet time is measured by christ existence b.c, b.c.e, so enough evidence to mark time on earth. You even used the term yourself 😊
@@clydewaldo3144 You win the award for the stupidest argument today. You know what else I use, we all use, and much more often? The days of the week named after the classical and Norse gods - Sun, Moon, Tiwi (god of war), Odin/Wodin, Thor, Frigga, and Saturn. And the months of the year, named after the Roman gods Janus, Mars, and Julius and Augustus Caesar, both of whom were also considered gods by the Romans, who ascended after their deaths, which were accompanied by darkening the sky, earthquakes, and resurrection of the local zombies.
PS - Jesus was either born 4 BC or 6 AD or something like that because no one could get his birthday right.
@johnnehrich9601 apparently he was born 3 AD and died at the age of 80 in Kashmir India. Yes he survived the crucifixion.
@@morningglory9288 not sure he was born on 25th December either....
No complaints from me
Love the good history lesson. Also like the haircut.
I find it impressive that academic scholarship can be so unanimous in its conclusions. Archaeology particular is a discipline that just presents the evidence. You have presented the research of academics from very different backgrounds and who have come to the same conclusions on the basis of the evidence.
Other useful RUclips channels for folks interested hearing from the scholars; Mythvision, History Valley,, Data over Dogma, Kipp Davis, James Tabor. Other useful books; anything by Bart Ehrman but Jesus Interrupted is good start on this sort of topic. The Bible for Grown Ups by Simon Loveday, author Karen Armstrong is on my 'to be read' list...John Dominic Crossan. Audible is a Godsend... Mythvision and History Valley are brilliant at interviewing large numbers of scholars
I watched an interview with Israel Finkelstein a while back, and he made an interesting point about the exodus story in the Bible: it always only talks of "Pharaoh". It does not name him. Why not? In the historical Bible books, foreign kings and pharaohs are referred to by their names. Why does this not happen in the exodus story? Given that Moses supposedly had ample dealings with the man, wouldn't he have known his name? Why not use it? It thought that Finkelstein made a very good point. It reminds me of the wording used in fairy tales: it's always "the King" and "the Prince" etc. who do stuff, but they are never named. Because they are not actual people, they just made-up characters in a story.
Francesca Stavrokopoulou's book is very reasonably priced. So is "The Bible Unearthed
I watch your videos once a year just to see the condition of your mind. It’s not getting any better.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by this? I'm genuinely curious. I'm not here to debate.
Wow! What a brilliant interview🙏🏿
Next week do Jack and the Beanstalk or Three Little Pigs.
Lloyd i miss the sushis❤️😥
Really? I hated those. I went straight for the full length version.
Obrigado ❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉😊
That was absolutely fascinating and enlightening, Lloyd; thank you. I am writing this at a time when Victoria sits on the throne of England and John F. Kennedy presides over our American cousins.
The bible is the most beautiful love story, written by humans who evolved right in front of our eyes. (When you read it from start to finish) it's hard to miss the depth of this book when you read it like one. The point of the bible reveals itself to you as you evolve with the characters through the millennia. From trying to understand what God is, where He lives, what He wants from us. The absolutely horrific ways we mess up along the way is almost comical at times but towards the end you realize you're a changed person too. We still have a long way to go but we're better today than ever before in history. ❤
Excellent video, thanks!
Lloyd is your channel demonstrated? I have never seen an ad to your video.
Bart Erhman has a book called Lost Christians. It helped me understand many topics in the pastoral letters. Where fundamentalists rely to create the doctrine of apostasy. I recommend it.
The Bible is not a history book, though at times it might contain some historical elements.
Mauro Biglino a very fine biblical scholar , compares Homer's Illiad an d Odyssey
Which is based on epic accounts though it might have hidden historical facts. The Bible is especially similar in literature
Hi Daniele! I respond to this exact argument early in the video. If everyone treated the Bible like Greek mythology content like this would be redundant.
Both traditionalist and secular modernist historians are using exactly the same archaeological finds and document texts to support their viewpoints.
The difference is in the underlying assumptions and methodologies in their interpretations.
(For example, if one's assumption is that supernatural prophecies should not be considered possible in serious scholarly discussion, then the date of writing the seemingly fulfilled prophecies must actually be after the 'fulfilled' event. Whereas traditionalists might have no problem with the document's claim itself.)
Which of the two schools of scholarship we will give most credence will depend on our own underlying assumptions and personal life experience.
You can't separate the observer from the observation.
This video barely mentions prophecy. Always best to watch before commenting.
@@LloydEvans You mentioned the scholarship regarding the book of Daniel. So, I used that as an example of the difference between the two interpretive methodologies. The secular modernists see the prophecies regarding the Greeks and assume a very late authorship. Peace be with you.
@@stephenbailey9969 Yes, and though prophecy is briefly mentioned in this part of the video (exclusively in relation to Daniel) that is not the principal complaint against its historicity. Rather it is the fact that the writers of the work make numerous assertions about Neobabylonian history (i.e. the order of various rulers) that are flatly wrong.
@stephenbailey9969,
What you say about the scholarly divide is mostly true, but regarding Biblical prophecy, why should those specific prophecies be considered as having "more legitimacy" then any other sort of prophetic claims made by leaders or lay adherents of any other faith tradition (differing Christian faiths or non-Christian religions) who have lived at very various times throughout history? Should the widespread belief in ghosts or the immortal soul be discounted simply because many historians and scholars may not find convincing evidence that humans go on existing in immaterial forms after their mortal deaths? The historical Jesus likely did not hold to a belief in the concept of an immortal soul that separated from the body after death -- that concept became more popular in Christianity after the Apostle Paul's death -- but does that mean that that very concept is invalid?
This is where it gets tricky. How can one determine the "validity" or "invalidity" of any religion or supernatural concept? That isn't the place of scholars and historians to determine what is or is not an example of "correct" religious observance.
@@LloydEvans That is one side of the discussion, yes. There are others on the traditionalist side with counter-arguments. I'm not enough of a scholar on those matters to decide. I just wanted to point out the parameters of that dialogue.
For myself, I was an atheist for much of my life, but now am not.
From my personal experience of the work of the Spirit, he can make a sow's ear into a useful purse. For me, the faithfulness of Daniel and his companions in the face of oppression is an encouraging enough narrative to make it spiritually useful even today. (Even if it is neither completely accurate history nor science.)
Peace be with you.
I so agree with you
the bible man inspired, man written ,
I’m so amazed at how STUPID I was back then but I thought I was soooo Smart!! lol
Appreciate the scholars and Lloyd for bring scholarship to the masses.
Lloyd I love your Jehovahs Witness work but please pray to God and ask him for clarity
Which one?
@@LloydEvans I asked God the same thing when I was studying to be a Jehovah’s Witness but knew things didn’t make sense. So I prayed to God and said all the names of every god out there because I was confused and uncertain and truly poured my heart out to whoever God was and asked for His nature to be revealed to me. I got it Lloyd, through no fault of my own. I understand you were lied to but there was a God who you knew to be out there and true. That truth is still the same today. I’ll keep you in my prayers man. I wouldn’t want to ruin the surprise, when you’re having a bad day sincerely ask those same questions I did and hit me up even if it’s years later.
Thankyou. As am ex jw this was really informative and eye opening
As an Orthodox Christian (since I left JWs of course) I would like to thank you for your addition into the video... I actually did write a similar comment to what you expected and I would have supported the issue you see in the comments. Thanks for stopping me.
I think in my case it is less important to see historical and scientific accuracy in The Bible, since my current church sees it as a book written by Saints made in order to aid spreading theology, rather than a book without error. Orthodox Church even very openly signifies all the changes that are known to have been made by The Church and reasons for them. If anything educating myself on historical inaccuracies is a good thing I believe... Same as knowing historical inaccuracies in the teachings of the saints...
That’s all you got? There is no evidence for the patriarchs?
I thought this was a serious discussion.
There is no evidence of Lloyd Evans!
You gotta remember , even in those days , God was getting on a bit !
Perhaps he forgot the dates and details !
It's all a great fantasy until you end up in the back room facing three suits 😮
Buy a Bible, don't read it and you will be a chatolic
Buy a Bible,read only what suits and you will be an evangelican
Buy a Bible,read it fully,analyze it,reason it and you will be an atheist
Who is the performer of the quiet music in the background of your introductions to the respective topics?
O.K. I suddenly had the intuition (Holy Spirit?!) that an AI tool will answer my question. This soft instrumental comes from "Velee", title "Painting". - I don't have to wait until the day after tomorrow.
i really enjoyed watching your vidieo, i too have read the same books that you used. the points that you made was really interesting to hear. i feel that you might like to read The Gnostic Gospels by Elaine Pagles, i am currently reading at the moment , also i have a book my next read, Why the bible began by Jacob L Wright. I too am a ex witness left the truth a few months ago, love your channel so keep up the good work , your a super hero cult buster
Finkelstein explained in an interview that the northern Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) was more powerful than the southern kingdom of Judah (Jerusalem), and that Israel may even have ruled over Judah. But then Israel was conquered and destroyed by the Assyrians, while Judah continued to exist and absorbed some refugees from Israel. And it was the Judahite writers who wrote the Bible books, and they were keen on aggrandizing Judah and painting their formerly powerful cousins in the north in the worst possible light. That's why all the northern, Israelite kings are bad! And that's why these writers invented the entire golden age under David and Solomon, to "prove" that the Jerusalem-based empire had in fact always been the real empire, and that those northerners were never anything more than an aberration.
👌🏻 - Jason (the atheist half of us two)
I like Dr Bart Ehrman and Dr James Tabor for accurate bible scholars
12:36 - there is a error with your source: Late iron age is between 400 AD and 800 AD. Religious reform in Kingdom of Judah must have been flourishing much earlier, at least some years before 1 AD, before Romans conquered it... Furthermore, there was judaism already present in Kingdom of Judah when Romans conquered it in 63 BCE.
No, Iron age ended long become CE
LLOYD PLEASE REMOVE THE BACKGROUND MUSIC WHEN YOURE TALKING AT THE BEGINNING. YOU ARE GREAT WITHOUT IT.. It's really distracting.
What exactly is science and religion?
Why do we view it as separate faculties?
Why do we even view anything in this physical environment as separate from the other?
Why do we seek separation of anything thinkable and unthinkable at all?
Jordan Peterson, is that you? 😂
@@LloydEvans 😂😂😂
Read Ahmed Osmond and Mustafa Gadalla who link these stories to 18th dynasty Egyptian pharaohs. They are spot on in my view and research....
The Bible is a description of the lifestyle, beliefs, rituals, and practices of primitive Hebrew tribes living on the Sinai Peninsula during the Bronze Age.
It begins with the story of a barbaric Hebrew god named Yahweh and ends with the death of a wandering Jewish preacher.
Believers in the stories are still excavating the past trying to find evidence to support their beliefs.
I just saw the first pants wearing sister 😅 the kingdom hall is in my street .
the best thing the jw fundamentalist explanations did for me, even at a high price, was to get me aware that the Bible stories were not historical and not true! i have been out for 40 y now and enjoyed real freedom of mind because I get rid of all these so called heavenly control of my life. I can now read the bible as a cultural heritage, showing us the thoughts and ethics of a group of people living 2700 years ago, and this can be very interesting and even funny, so as it is by reading God: an anatomy! As for all these ex brothers who desperately grip on Jesus the Saviour and the inspired Bible, I wish them happiness even in their faith in legends if it helps them to live…but yes, it s important to know the truth about the Bible even if it hurts to know that we spent so much time in a false belief
But at what point do these ppl stop being myths and start being real? If Jesus referred to them wouldn’t that make them accepted as being a historical figure? Genuinely curious
Did Jesus refer to them? (The gospels are not eye witness accounts but complex stories/literature) If Jesus did say those things, was he just using the ideas of the time to convey meaning? Or was he using the stories and scriptures, not necessarily saying it was all true. Who do you think Jesus was? Do you think he was divine? Did all early Christians think he was divine? Did Jesus think he was divine? If he WAS divine, theology would say he was fully God and fully man... Perhaps he had to rely on the information of his day, he couldn't know what was true/untrue from the bible..
Jesus is a myth also. The Romans invented the story to replace their already existing sun god Apollo. Dionysus, Mithras and Osiris all have the same attributes and similar stories. Do more research, ask more questions.
The gospels were written decades after the death of Jesus by anonymous writers, most certainly not by Jesus himself. And the writers were plainly jumping through hoops to make their narrative mesh with the Old Testament to make it appear more credible, most notably in their repeated use of wording like "all this happened so that the prophecy in X could be fulfilled."
Not to ridicule you, but it seems like the biggest, or easiest, truth to spot is that there is no book of Jesus. He didn't pen a single word of anything we refer to as the bible. Nothing. The contradictions in accounts support what Lloyd mentions here. People really must move past "Jesus said" because he simply did not say anything at all that is recorded.
Great video. Like with any court case evidence needs to be examined and scrutinised but the bible has always been given a pass and many people literally believe the stories actually occurred. If you took religion and God out of the bible we’d certainly agree it’s a fantasy book of tales and myths.
It must be a different feeling when you actually visit these walls and houses of worship in the Holyland. And even do carbon dating on the material you found. What we really need it a time machine with a translator to get to the bottom of it. I met Arabs and Jews who were very nice and the food I tasted was go delicious. It is a shame that the middle east has been a place of conflict, war, and violence due to the government, rulers, and politics for thousands of years.
It doesn't mean a full 40 years in the desert. Forty simply mean't a hard time.
Maybe God should have asked you to write the Bible for him since he can't express himself clearly.
@@LloydEvans No need for sarcasm. Many words in Biblical times had different meanings than they do today. Such as carpenter mean't builder back then.
There is a bunch
@lloydevans thank you for all your effort. Re your comments on getting this out there....I have hope due to people like yourself, Mythvision channel and History Valley channel etc... interviewing and summarising the scholars. Many of us indoctrinated in the 80s and 90s just had the christian bookshop to answer iur questions, no internet，nothing useful at the library! I have more hope for this generation with the internet， RUclips and tiktok to help get the truth. Data over dogma! (Also the name of another useful RUclips channel!)
I thought that at least some form of Exodus was plausible. Not necessarily from Israel but from somewhere else. Many nations have migrated from their urheimat before they created their countries. English people didn't always live in England. Their anchestors came from continental Europe. Their anchestors lived in southern Scandinavia and northern Germany as proto Germanics, their anchestors came from Indo-European urheimat. Israelites might be coming from somewhere else too. Or did they live in Israel from indefinite time onwards? At least, Hebrew is a branch of Semitic language, Arabic belongs to the same language family. Arabs spread during Islamic conquest. Where Arabs came from? Saudi Arabia. Other Semits were living in Babylon, for example. Ok, their urheimat could be somewhere in between of these places, Jordan or Saudi Arabia, for example. Not Egypt.
Is our German word Urheimat really used in the English language? 😮
I think there is very good evidence that Canaanites were the ancient Israelites. Studies of archaeology, the written word etc. Exodus would seem to be a foundational myth. Not to say they didn't come from somewhere originally, but this is not that story. It was not from Egypt and not invading and defeating Canaanites. They ARE the Canaanites.
@@bielefeldundmehr2461 i am sorry, i found it in english wikipedia about proto indo european and i don't know correct english word. sorry.
@@MarthaEllen88 EXACTLY. They are the Canaanites.
Quran (Islamic holy book) really said that people of Christians and Jews change their books.
If you read Quran - maybe it doesn't have detail chronologies like Bible - but it is crystal clear, no contradictions in it.
It’s an Abrahamic book about the Abrahamic god. Of course it’s just as flawed as the others, because god doesn’t exist.
Also Mohammed was a pedo, which is perfectly in line with the other flocks.
@@LunarRaven You talk as if atheists are the cleanest people in human history.
While atheists don't know what is the purpose of their life.
If people said Muhammad was a pedo (and he is not), they actually don't know what is the definition of pedophilia.
@@LunarRaven Atheists always think that they were the cleanest community in this world, while they don't have the purpose of life, why they were created.
And everyone who said that Muhammad was a pedo (which he is not), don't know what is the definition of pedophilia 🙃
@@LunarRaven If you think Muhammad is a pedo,
1. What is the definition of pedo?
2. At what age a young woman can marry?
3. Is your definition today can be applied in 7th century?
@@amazingislam6997 under 18 for a general definition, pedophilia specifically applies to prepubescent children for a more specific kind tailored to M-Dawg.
It doesn’t matter what the laws or culture was, you don’t go after children. You talk exactly like Christians talking about slavery. Then again, Christians and Muslims are the same with different flavor text. Abrahamics gonna Abrahamic.
Would prefer to have kept it to the books and your own interview. It didn't feel right to then jump to someone else's interview. Rest of it was great. But that reduced the trustworthyness of the video for me.
How is showing an interview from another channel with an established scholar "untrustworthy?"
@@LloydEvans I'm thinking in the context about whether i could sent this video to people.
I think it's like the difference between sitting with a friend personally and having a debate in your own words, Vs just sending them links.
The further it is from your own mouth the more tenuous it feels, less likely someone is given it credence.
@@LloydEvans also i do worry that we rely on Bart too much. He is such a boogy man to Christians it can be good to show other voices. And to be fair he is probably on the more cynical end of scolars.
Like you did with John Barton, i think it can be more effective to show that even Christian scolars have the same views. I think Mark Goodacre and John Collins are Christians, Joel Baden is Jewish, there obv many others those and just ones i know
@@LloydEvans i hear similar complaints that Israel Finkelstein is on cynical end of archeologists. But you can add weight from Bill Denver, Leister Grabbe etc wow have written similar things in academic books
The bible is completely historically accurate, it's just that reality is wrong. 😂
Loyd! You’re looking at it all wrong :-)! The Israelites, according to JeeWhova Gorbs, passed their pass-me-down desert shoes to the next generation. Stuff like that means they weren’t traceable. That’s where Sasquatch learned his great moves. He’s real. We just can’t prove it.
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The bible is true from genius to revelation I no you don’t believe but the truth is still out there still to be found ? A lot has been found to prove the bible true
From genius to revelation, huh?
Dream on.
@@johnnehrich9601 no need to dream on what do you think to what Jesus said in 33ce he said the temple wud be destroyed and guess what 70 ad it did some dream ?
@@michaelhaigh9182 The gospels were written AFTER the temple was destroyed. (Mark used Josephus's account - c. 73 - of Jesus ben Ananias c. 66 for the framework for "holy week.") Boy some people are so gullible.
How disappointing. I’ve been watching you for a long time. I decided to watch this to see what you had to say. How disappointing you quote so called experts. Then you pass it on as truth as opposed to opinion. I would suggest rather than use confirmation bias. Go to these areas yourself. I’ve just got back from an extended period in Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. I’ve stopped at 15min watching but to
Counter. Your 1st point. Abraham etc not being real? And the 2nd point no evidence in Sinai? The untruth hear is way to large to encounter. All I can say is go there. The Israelites weren’t in Sinai. That’s what the Jews believe. They were in Saudi. 🤦🏻♂️. Anyways. You do your thing. You don’t believe in god so let’s prove it. I’ll do my thing and instead of relying on men. Go There for myself. I mean FFS there is a brand new Japanese gifted museum at Petra that recounts actual fights at the top of the hill on the kings hwy between the moabites and Israel with all the evidence! There’s Hebrew hieroglyphics in Saudi Arabia at the base of mt Sinai! Yeah it’s all a figment of peoples imagination.
So so disappointing.
"inspired by God" =/= "written by God"
That’s cause the Old Testament was all oral tradition. So probably never happened. Just stories and a game of telephone added in.
I don’t believe any of the Old Testament.
Moshi
From my research so far it seems most of the kings of Judah were real, but apart from evidence for them and a broken tablet referring to the house of David that’s pretty much it for the Old Testament. And these kings presided over a tiny state with a massive inferiority complex towards their more prosperous northern neighbours, prompting them to forge a history in which they could have more prestige and relevance.
@@LloydEvans Ya with no written language back then it was all mouth to mouth nonsense.
Moshi
Genesis 3:1
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
YEAH,HATH GOD SAID
Questioning God's word is satanic, at the heart of rebellion.
God, of the Hebrew scriptures is Satan the devil.
@@morningglory9288 Jesus is King of Kings. The king's English as in the King James bible is God's word from the beginning.
Get a copy and read it.
The Bible's historical accuracies are extremely attested,as well. Try being unbiased. Not all of it is historically inaccurate.
What percentage of accuracy are you looking for for it to be god’s inspired word?
@@LloydEvans That's a completely separate issue. You were addressing specifically, ' historical accuracy '. Much of it is historically accurate.
If we're now discussing God's inspired word, if it relies solely on the Bible being a history book, then I think you need to study Hermeneutics and Exegesis.
@@LloydEvans I don't learn History by studying the Bible. I learn History by studying History.
You have never studied Rabbinic Midrashim. The accounts, for example, of the dead walking the streets of Jerusalem,in the Crucifixion narrative, are not historical. They are Midrashim, reflective of Second Temple Eschatology.
I find it very interesting how you openly dodged my question, and I contest your claim that “most” of the Bible is accurate. I’ve already uncovered in a separate video multiple examples of the Bible failing to agree even with itself.
This guy atheist
@amc3463,
Yes, and your point is what?
That's a ready admission he makes regularly. Did you think you solved a puzzle?
10:35 is just a stupid statment. Noah is proven. But you always want to believe, what you want to believe. If you open your eyes and read the Bible you notice that theses days a lot of the prophecys coming true....
Weird, I must have skipped that class in history lol
@@LloydEvans Well ...your Problem was and still is, that you think you know it all: i tell you a little secret: You dont! Do a better research!
Says the know it all. So no evidence for your claims? 😂
@@LunarRaven Says someone who follow blind a RUclips. If you would have realy intresst for these things, you wouldt know it..... so also for you: Do you research.
@@hansbier5198 Abrahamics literally deny reason and reality, but okay.
Besides, I DID do my research. It broke the nails holding me to the cross my family nailed me too before I learned to stand.
What is even more disappointing is you’ve chastised witnesses for confirmation bias and here you are doing it yourself. Talk about hypocrisy. And all the faithful followers on here that will take this information as gospel.
Dear follower of this guy GET OVER THERE YOURSELF and research yourself at the actual places then make an informed comment.
Loyd. Research where Mt Sinai is. The Jewish would have you believe it’s in Israel. So disappointed with this video.
It sounds like you're just mad at me for not repeating your preexisting views to you. I can only recommend sticking to Christian apologetics channels or, perhaps, a mirror.
Actually I don’t mind looking in the mirror😂. But seriously. Thanks for the reply . I have just spent as I said time actually over there. There is so so much evidence that the Israelites went through Jordan from Saudi Arabia so I just cannot agree with this expert
You quoted. There are actual hieroglyphics in Saudi Arabia of their journey. And grinding mills in stone etc. as for no evidence for Abraham or King David all I can say is I haven’t researched that. But to have 3 major religions who all point to Abraham seems significant. And also remember the so called experts for years said there was no evidence for Pontius Pilate so I’m very skeptical of experts.
I’m not saying you have to believe in god. But if there is no god then how did we get here? Aliens? Evolution? I’ve just finished reading yuval Harari’s book on evolution so I do believe I’m open to at least looking deeply into opinions and it would seem faith is required at some point in any field.It’s a shame you came back at me with that negative vibe. I thought you to be a better man than that. In any case I can agree to disagree without attacking you or your comment. But with all respect. I feel you definitely are using confirmation bias. I do however wish you well. My names Aaron Butterworth I live in warwick Australia. If ever over this way I’d be happy to show you around and have deeper talks👍
Given a choice between known, credible bible scholars and you, I'm afraid I have an easy choice as to who should educate my viewers and I. But thanks for at least trying to watch and learn from this video.
@@LloydEvans no worries and I see your point. Interesting past we’ve had. Just got off the phone to my elder dad who has disowned me. Mind blowing what the human brain can do in certain situations. In any case I wish you well. And as offered if ever over this way I’d be happy to show you around and drink beer. Have a good one.👍