if God would have killed Satan, from the beginning... EVERYONE would serve God out of FEAR rather than LOVE! So sin MUST run its course....Satan knows that time is short!!
Rog1550 It's all fucked up. So the creator allows millions if not billions to be mislead in the past, present and future .... And all those people who are mislead go into the lake of fire hell? I'm telling u its one big fucking sick game I think especially when u learn that the name Jesus is not even the original name on the long list of supposed names and not to mention that the name Jesus has the numbers of the beast that is described in revelation. Yes folks the beast is Jesus because it has the numbers 666 in it and its not even the original name. I ask u how many people have been mislead past,present and future and the creator just watches?! That is why no one will be expecting the real massiah to come because people are mislead into believing that the beast is the massiah. While everyone argues the name Jesus kreeps into every religion and mouth ,wether it be Christianity or Islam both have this fake figure head Jesus that's been put in there for the very purpose to mislead. Everything has been changed in every religion. Even the word Lord means Baal. We can argue if a group of people went as far as changing the names then they could have done even more like changing the titles ect.... Its all lies that people are being fed. Its all fucked up ,wake up and don't trust so easily,question everything. Your pastor or sheh is lying directly to ur face when they say nothing has been changed and even when they agree its been changed but they say its only changed once.....guess what? They are lying again knowingly or unknowingly. Many things have been changed not once but several multiple times. And many other religions are affected in the very same way its all lies.
Rog1550 Yeah it's been running it's course for centuries. It ran it's course the day Dylan Roof walked through those church doors and murdered 9 believers.
that's why you should have faith in God and jesus there is no other god but him before then now and forever . follow jesus foot steps to enter to everlasting life .
Our problem is that we are not omniscient! That is we do not see all and understand all. As matter of fact, I think we human beings starting with me understand VERY LITTLE! When I was only five years old my mother started to tell me the stories of the Bible. My very first question was "Why didn't God kill the Devil and the rebel angels immediately? That would have saved all of us a lot of grief!!! My mother told me that angels are spirits and although a man's physical body dies sooner or later the spirits do not die. It just the way God made it. Since our brain is not big enough to expand itself to point where it can understand TOTALLY the INFINITE we have two choices to worry or trust God! Thank you Sister Joyce for reminding me of this teaching my mother tried to teach me so many years ago!
Exactly, Trevor. So it's best not to think about what makes sense and what doesn't. Truth is, using one's brain isn't advisable if you are a Christian.
John Piper, I thank God for the wisdom given you. The name of God is glorified thru you. I am praising the Lord as I listen to you. I thank God for the life of John Piper. You are God's blessing Sir.
I think He allows Satan to live, to give us a choice between Him (God) and something that is anti-Him (Satan). He doesnt force Himself on us as if there is no other choice. Whatever we choose, it is a sign of where our hearts and affections lie... and we will receive an eternal judgement for this choice.
Ann J really? How's there a SLIGHTEST iota of choice? Choice a.) choose god and god will let you live in his kingdom forever and ever Choice b.) choose satan or even just go against or refuse to believe in him and well he sends in this little other place where you still reside forever, but with the small detail that that place is full of agony and pain and literally the worst place there can ever be. So YEAH god gives you a choice like a robber would, who is pointing a gun at you to hand your wallet over to him. Sure you have a choice to give up and give him your possession or, you know, you could just idk DIE. SO much free will and free-choice m8 I agree as well. (Not really, I don't agree but in case you don't understand im being sarcastic.) So I've got a question. given aLLL these facts that i have stated could you please tell me, in the context of my points' relevancy, the point of having free-will if in return of what you do, you get punished by it?
As a devout Christian, what I can't fathom is the seemingly unnecessary suffering of the helpless wrought by followers of satan, intentionally or not. Can someone please help explain this
Thank you John, and all I can add to what you said about Gods Glory is that God acts in perfect harmony with all his attributes - something we humans can't even start to comprehend...
No one would burn if He didnt create them to die and if he didnt create hell. Christians seem to force a callousness to cope with the brutality of their god.
I need to clarify that scripture teaches otherwise. God knew man would fall into sin and that Jesus Christ would become the sacrifice for those sins. Therefore He knew they would die just as much as He knew Jesus Christ would become the sacrifice for sin. It is all purposed in eternity past.
The faithful don't die. Able's blood was upon the ground, yet it cried out to God. This was after Able left his earthy body. To the faithful, their reward is not in this world, but in the next. In this world, we are only taught how to act, what things to hold dear to us, etc. We are then given time to help us become accustom to those things, and this way of being, of acting, of thinking, so that we can enjoy our reward in a much better way when we receive it as part of our reward for doing those things properly, and valuing them properly. They change us into the creatures with the attributes needed in order to face eternity, and God himself. There is a whole Kingdom in Heaven, not just heaven itself. By our work, Jesus said we earn our 'place' in heaven, or our rank, in that world to come.
I was thinking about this very concept deeply yesterday. Then I saw this. By sheer chance. Thank you for the clip. I was personally touched by it - to the glory of God.
This is my #1 question. Thank God for answering it *just now.* I asked it to 3 pastors before during a camp but since the time is very limited only 1 pastor answered it and although I was honored and thankful that that preacher I look up to very much gave time to answer it, I didn't quite understood anything that he said. Like 0% probably because of the setting, and I was having mixed emotions bec I was just asked a nerve wracking question which happened to be a question for a Ms. Camper nominee and I didn't answer it the best THEN I had the nerve to ask an irrelevante question. So past forward 2 yrs? Thank God I knew about this channel and I has been watching desiring God videos for the past weeks. This preaching is absolutely planned perfectly for my life at the perfect time and Ptr. John is His perfect instrument to answer my dilemma because I know his preachings are very eloquent and elaborative yet very clear and understandable. Thank you Lord for your plans and your Sovereignty.
+The Bottom Line Our own desires are inherited from satan (spiritually speaking) , when we fell we entered into a union with satan, but i see what you mean :) all evil comes from him, he certainly plays on our individual weaknesses, we each are tempted a little bit differently depending on our desires.
+The Bottom Line Yes it does Bottom Line, say that but guess who puts those desires into our heads??? The bible also states Satan in cunning and a great manipulator and this is how he does this.
Thank you for taking on the difficult questions ...We all have access to the Bible and prayer for clarity and understanding for ourselves if we question your answers... I appreciate your knowledge and best attempts through God to answer these tough questions helping us all to be comfortable to feel free to bring up touchy topics that effect us all in everyday life. Your a blessing
what I thought is God is trying to let us choose instead of forcing us to love him. God wants you to willingly love him with your heart and if there was a a demon possessed man, and God knew that he would get saved a few years later, then God will wait a few years later.
If he wanted us to choose to love him than why does he burn you in hell forever for not loving him, that is not choosing that is him forcing you to love him.
Whats the point in this why would a all powerfull god need love from anything? Why us? If he was all good and powerfully etc etc why create anything? Is he bored of playing candy crush so made the universe for shits and giggles?
I go with the answer that God loves me (and you) since he knew me before I was conceived and somehow the incredible chain of events that led to me existing with my unique set of thoughts, experiences, and everything....it all required Satan to exist, the garden, the fall, the sin, but also the sacrifice, the mercy, the grace and ultimately the reunion of our holy family in the ever after. God did all of this out of love for us and ultimately for His glory throughout the ages as His mercy is revealed in our redemption and His justice is revealed in the Lake of fire. difficult things to believe because it's all so big and unreal compared to my daily routines of life, but there's the truth.
The best answer of understanding God is complete acceptance of the unkown (which is faith, the acceptance of God Unknown but Almighty and gracious) How Ironic, huh? Things makes more sense to accept that God has a plan and we will never know it. "Believe first! and you will see" - John 11:40
Briel james Abad It's all fucked up. So the creator allows millions if not billions to be mislead in the past, present and future .... And all those people who are mislead go into the lake of fire hell? I'm telling u its one big fucking sick game I think especially when u learn that the name Jesus is not even the original name on the long list of supposed names and not to mention that the name Jesus has the numbers of the beast that is described in revelation. Yes folks the beast is Jesus because it has the numbers 666 in it and its not even the original name. I ask u how many people have been mislead past,present and future and the creator just watches?! That is why no one will be expecting the real massiah to come because people are mislead into believing that the beast is the massiah. While everyone argues the name Jesus kreeps into every religion and mouth ,wether it be Christianity or Islam both have this fake figure head Jesus that's been put in there for the very purpose to mislead. Everything has been changed in every religion. Even the word Lord means Baal. We can argue if a group of people went as far as changing the names then they could have done even more like changing the titles ect.... Its all lies that people are being fed. Its all fucked up ,wake up and don't trust so easily,question everything. Your pastor or sheh is lying directly to ur face when they say nothing has been changed and even when they agree its been changed but they say its only changed once.....guess what? They are lying again knowingly or unknowingly. Many things have been changed not once but several multiple times. And many other religions are affected in the very same way its all lies.
HuMaNs vs RoBoTs and the fact that Adam and Eve sinned...it's ritchous we all lick dust....and suffer whiling and bashing our teeth for ever and ever....its actually so sick...it's the sickest of violence ever imagined
"free will" is the keyword. the whole thing about the garden of eden was to test the first two beings adam and eve. if there was never temptation (the garden, satan), then man would never had had free will, they'd just be robots. so, god gave them the ultimate test to see if these free-thinking beings could choose evil or good and they chose evil in the end. then mankind spiraled out of control,
My dad and I were having a deep discussion about this. We came down to that God created the angels but gave them free will. If there was no free will then we would be no different than a robot. Worship to God must come as a choice, otherwise it's not worship from the *heart. Our God is a lover of freedom and it would be unholy to force us to worship Him. Where's the glory in that?? There is none!
consumedbyfire13 So the Christians who make it to heaven after judgment day will have free will (or will they be robots)? Does that mean they can one day get kicked out like Satan if they exercise that free will the wrong way? And why would God have to give an ultimate test to see anything? Doesn't he already know everything that's going to happen before it happens? Didn't he know Adam and Eve would fail the test? They didn't even know they were choosing evil because they had no knowledge of evil until after they ate the fruit. How could they choose evil when they didn't know it existed? Of course it was easy for the serpent to trick them. They didn't know what trickery was, they would of course just believe the last thing that was said to them because what reason would they have to think it wasn't true? The serpent made them think it would be okay to eat from the tree so they did. How is it their fault that they didn't know any better and what does any of it have to do with me?
consumedbyfire13 What about everything else I said? Testing is not the only issue that I just can't resolve in my mind. I use to believe with all of my heart but now my mind just won't stop questioning everything. I just don't understand why we can't be in heaven with the angels (from the start). Why do we have to be forced to exercise our free will with Satan and demons constantly battling against God to try to steer us in the wrong direction. God kicked the bad angels and the devil out of heaven and now they are down here tormenting us. I would never do something like that to my children. Obviously the angels in heaven don't need Satan in order to have free will and not be robots so why do we need him? Why wouldn't God just destroy him? Better yet, why was he created in the first place when God knew he would turn so evil? If I had the power to 100% protect my children at all times that's what I would do. The only way any of it makes sense is if God is not really all powerful and does not have full control over the angels he created like the ones who rebelled.
I found jesus late in life but learning more everyday this helped answer questions I didn't even know I had more proof to me of how God works through people like you.....mindblowing!!!
In the book of Enoch god said it’s a test for mankind he wants to know were we stand good heart or cold blooded/ good / evil / he’s going to keep the good and trash away the bad
Local 831 an omniscient God would not have needed to do the "testing" since he has absolute foreknowledge. if his goal is to keep the good, then he could have only chosen to create those who would be good right from the start and prevented all the needless suffering.
This is a perplexing question, but what I always do when things are not clear to me as to what God is doing or why, I trust him, more than my understanding. He has proved himself countless times when I will be mistaken again, I know this this is why questions to why, I trust in the Lord. Yes my mind wonders, that is why he gave us a mind.
god is omnipotent and omniscient. he knew from the very first start that satan, or if any of of the angels would rebel against him even before he created them. he had a choice which one to create and which ones not to. the fact that he created satan, it only means he chose the kind of world we are into. that's it. (that's if he exist).
Richard Meza-- been waiting 45 years for him to PROVE himself. Don't ask me how I know he exists I just do. i never doubted his existence. What I doubt his his benevolence. Good is good, because HE says he is and for no other reason! Christian folk tell me all the time "God has a PLAN for you" What plan is that to be his punching bag? Here is some food for thought! Think God is a non materialistic God. Check out in the bible how when he restored Jobs STUFF two fold, he even replaced his family as if those we love have some kind of monetary price set by HIM! He compares use with inanimate objects ( jars of clay, seeds ) that have no feelings. Does that sound like such a benevolent being? Don't take my word for it. I strongly encourage you to read your bible cover to cover and don't skip ANYTHING! Use nothing more than the intelligence god gave you to interpret his actions.
Danny Hood It's all fucked up. So the creator allows millions if not billions to be mislead in the past, present and future .... And all those people who are mislead go into the lake of fire hell? I'm telling u its one big fucking sick game I think especially when u learn that the name Jesus is not even the original name on the long list of supposed names and not to mention that the name Jesus has the numbers of the beast that is described in revelation. Yes folks the beast is Jesus because it has the numbers 666 in it and its not even the original name. I ask u how many people have been mislead past,present and future and the creator just watches?! That is why no one will be expecting the real massiah to come because people are mislead into believing that the beast is the massiah. While everyone argues the name Jesus kreeps into every religion and mouth ,wether it be Christianity or Islam both have this fake figure head Jesus that's been put in there for the very purpose to mislead. Everything has been changed in every religion. Even the word Lord means Baal. We can argue if a group of people went as far as changing the names then they could have done even more like changing the titles ect.... Its all lies that people are being fed. Its all fucked up ,wake up and don't trust so easily,question everything. Your pastor or sheh is lying directly to ur face when they say nothing has been changed and even when they agree its been changed but they say its only changed once.....guess what? They are lying again knowingly or unknowingly. Many things have been changed not once but several multiple times. And many other religions are affected in the very same way its all lies.
HuMaNs vs RoBoTs - you absolutely don’t know what you are talking about! My name isn’t _spelled_ like the way you see it right now. That’s because originally isn’t written with Latin letters, but in a completely different alphabet. Does this make me not the real and same me?! Jesus, Iesus, Yeshua - not the same _person_ ? Because of transliteration reasons? The legacy that Jesus has left doesn’t speak to you at all? Well, it really doesn’t matter what you think about all this. It gets down to simple believe or not. That’s what saves your soul and eventually your body upon the resurrection. Your unbelief does not make God’s faith without effect (Romans 3:3).
ILoveGodsWord413 I know and agree but the risk is terrible. For many years of my life I was an atheist and often I think what if I hadn't realized god was real, if I had died I'd be in hell for all eternity.
Because He revealed Himself to me. God is Spirit and those who wish to worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth. God revealed Himself to me by the Holy Spirit and He used the Bible to do so which is God's written word.
Very well said. We wouldn't know the joy of conquering our faults, hard times, troubles without temptation. God gives us mercy by giving us teh victory. The joy of victory is much bigger than the shame and guilt of defeat. And with God we will never be defeated. Thank Him.
Why should we have to suffer because of Adam an Eve's decision to sin ? It doesn't make sense we shouldn't be held responsible because of there wrong doing in my opinion
I'll do you one better.... How does two beings that hasn't been taught the differences between right and wrong, be held accountable to such extremes, for something they had NO CLUE they were doing? Yes, obeying God should have been the first thought. But what is "obey"? It's the act of doing what you are told. If the serpent gives them an alternate command, they wouldn't have known, NOT obeying is wrong. The tree was to give the knowledge of good and evil, if they ate. So this knowledge, that had it not. So the extreme punishment for all of humanity, doesn't fit the crime. And for this dude to say God is Patient, is contradicting. He wiped the earth clean in only 1500 years. That's a day and a half for God. Seriously! And how was an imperfect animal, amongst a perfect design (humans), in a perfect place? Just read the book of Job. You'll see the "in cahoots" plan Satan and God had. And I'm to believe that wasn't the case for the garden? Shame...
Jay Brick youre possibly the greates genius ive ever seen! :D i swear the god i still facepalm myself after reading your comment -.- man adam and eve are fictional characters. they have a symbolic meaning. they are symbolising the men kind who due to egoism and selfish desire got away from god and later were set free by jesus christ who came on earth to save us
before noobs such as you realise that bible is 3/4 fiction, metaforical meanings and symbolism it will be already too late. the internet will be full of bullshit such as your comment adam was a FICTIONAL CHARACTER!
Because God is trying to show the hosts in heaven as well as the inhabitants of the universe the deadly consequenses of sin. First through Lucifer, then through man. The further you stray from God and his blessings, the more evil will manifest in you just like iniquity was found in Lucifer because of his pride/ envy. That is my speculation.
That's just beacuse you weren't raised to believe them, you were raised to believe this particular story. No religion makes 'sense' unless you were raised to believe it. And again how does not believing in one crazy story among millions of others mean that you should suffer for an eternity? What a loving god.
GOD created Satan he can take him out any time but he doesn't want to because he wants to see how many of us will live a sinless life. I think life is a test if you pass it you make it to heaven. Amen
I agree with you...Simply because it has made me stronger, confident, secure, strong-minded, full of hope, something to look forward to, and to earn my right to live.....God has ALWAYS accompanied me, IS accompanying me, and WILL ALWAYS ACCOMPANY ME....I have learned throughout my life, that I HAVE a life worth living for, even through ALL the evil around me, simply because of HIS existence.....WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING...I COMMUNICATE WITH HIM....AMEN....
Ok, let me get this straight. The All Loving God of Love is able to destroy satan and Hell for that instances but CHOOSES not to so HIS blessings get more shine? The God of Love that CREATED us will send us to hell if we choose not to bow down to him? So God created Man...and Man has too suffer for eternity if they don't bow down to God..So the All Powerful and Loving God is punishing HIS creation for not doing what he says..right
johanzo88 the weird thing about this guy is, he's sort of implying that some good super being has allowed a bad super being to have dominion over humans - a bit like saying : the police let a rapist loose in a house, letting him have dominion over the teenage girls living in there!!! What a stupid "good" super being that is - allowing kids to be raped in front of his eyes!
johanzo88 The question is do you understand the fundamental makeup of the nature of man? Man can CHOOSE as you put it - yes. Will God send you to Hell - no. If you are a being with an immortal soul, will your rejection of God result in the desolation of His absence for eternity - yes. If you only see a real relationship with God as merely bowing down then you are mistaken. If He wants you to bow down before Him it's because He wants to lift you up to be what He created you to be before sin began to destroy you from the inside out.
Mr Piper I really like to congratulate you you have totally answered all my doubts enquiry I sincerely bless you today tomorrow and forever and may we meet one day in heaven thank you
truthseeker89 for life It's all fucked up. So the creator allows millions if not billions to be mislead in the past, present and future .... And all those people who are mislead go into the lake of fire hell? I'm telling u its one big fucking sick game I think especially when u learn that the name Jesus is not even the original name on the long list of supposed names and not to mention that the name Jesus has the numbers of the beast that is described in revelation. Yes folks the beast is Jesus because it has the numbers 666 in it and its not even the original name. I ask u how many people have been mislead past,present and future and the creator just watches?! That is why no one will be expecting the real massiah to come because people are mislead into believing that the beast is the massiah. While everyone argues the name Jesus kreeps into every religion and mouth ,wether it be Christianity or Islam both have this fake figure head Jesus that's been put in there for the very purpose to mislead. Everything has been changed in every religion. Even the word Lord means Baal. We can argue if a group of people went as far as changing the names then they could have done even more like changing the titles ect.... Its all lies that people are being fed. Its all fucked up ,wake up and don't trust so easily,question everything. Your pastor or sheh is lying directly to ur face when they say nothing has been changed and even when they agree its been changed but they say its only changed once.....guess what? They are lying again knowingly or unknowingly. Many things have been changed not once but several multiple times. And many other religions are affected in the very same way its all lies.
Cant see that god killed everyone on earth in the flood but cant sort out one so called fallen angel come on you have to do better than that god is a pro when it comes to killing shit
This war, and it is a war, has to run its course to see who's wheat, and who's tare. There are two great forces in this universe. One wants you to know who he is...the other does not.
Wait... he is basically saying that god allowed satan the freedom to tempt coz it makes god look good to have "won" the battle..? wow... how petty can an omnipotent being be...
Zephyral It's all fucked up. So the creator allows millions if not billions to be mislead in the past, present and future .... And all those people who are mislead go into the lake of fire hell? I'm telling u its one big fucking sick game I think especially when u learn that the name Jesus is not even the original name on the long list of supposed names and not to mention that the name Jesus has the numbers of the beast that is described in revelation. Yes folks the beast is Jesus because it has the numbers 666 in it and its not even the original name. I ask u how many people have been mislead past,present and future and the creator just watches?! That is why no one will be expecting the real massiah to come because people are mislead into believing that the beast is the massiah. While everyone argues the name Jesus kreeps into every religion and mouth ,wether it be Christianity or Islam both have this fake figure head Jesus that's been put in there for the very purpose to mislead. Everything has been changed in every religion. Even the word Lord means Baal. We can argue if a group of people went as far as changing the names then they could have done even more like changing the titles ect.... Its all lies that people are being fed. Its all fucked up ,wake up and don't trust so easily,question everything. Your pastor or sheh is lying directly to ur face when they say nothing has been changed and even when they agree its been changed but they say its only changed once.....guess what? They are lying again knowingly or unknowingly. Many things have been changed not once but several multiple times. And many other religions are affected in the very same way its all lies.
Why don't you pray to get your own answers Why choose to believe the worst about God Zephyral? This is one man's opinion trying to answer the question. What do you ask of God, or do you ask anything? Be careful not to always expect someone else to answer hard questions while you get to just sit around and critique them? Very dangerous to keep doing that without sharing the burden yourself...
This man is the only modern-day mainstream media preacher that I have ever heard explain the common question of why God won't destroy Satan; according to the scriptures!..what an awesome eye opener!..
We have no free will thats the funny part! There is lot of research in this field and its used in advertising every day thats why you buy the brands you do
seems legit, thanks for sharing and God bless! Thanks God! To all those that don't fully understand, may the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ reveal these deeper things to you by his Spirit that you may know! Amen. If you don't understand, think of it this way, say you're completely surrounded by darkness and there seems to be no hope, then suddenly, there is a brilliant light that consumes the darkness. How would you feel?! Compare that to if there is no darkness and only light, then you won't truly appreciate the light. We have to be tested! God allows the kingdom of darkness in this world to test the people, to see what we will choose! For without a test, how will you know you've passed or truly become what God had in mind for you!
***** That makes no sense, for you wouldn't abhor darkness unless you knew it. That is what is good about God. And that is what is portrayed in Genesis. The choice.
Although I am a Christian who knows God through Jesus Christ I still have the following question, as even believers have unanswered questions which do not stop them loving God. My big unanswered question is - Why did God allow Satan access to His creation, Adam and Eve, when He knew they would be deceived by him and the Fall of man would occur together with all the suffering that causes both for mankind and also caused for God when He came to this earth to redeem us, taking on flesh in the person of Jesus Christ. I am not saying that your view is wrong as I don't know the answer myself, which is unfortunately why I still have the question! When you say that "God allows the kingdom of darkness in this world to test the people, to see what we will choose!", does that mean therefore that it was God's will for the angel (who we now know to be called Satan) to rebel against God? And if it was God's will for the angel to rebel "to test the people, to see what we will choose" then how is it logical for God to blame Satan when he was only carrying out God's will? I am not saying that your view is wrong, but only that it leads me to have yet the above-mentioned further question. I believe I will never solve this puzzle!
To sum it all up in a few words: the greatest problem faced by believers, is coming up with excuses for God's failure to act. Most of the answers they propose revolve around the idea, that it is somehow better for God to do nothing, than to do something.
Edward Wood if u didn't believe you wouldn't be here on this link listening & reading comments. You're the one looking for excuses to run from the truth.
You are right we do not have all the answers. Our problem once again is that we are not omniscient! "We can only what is physically right in front of us. And a lot of the time we don't even understand that. We can't see when God transports a person's spirit to a heavenly realm beyond this physical world. Maybe the person's body was destroyed but the being inside it was transported out of it safely to another dimension! So our question will always be why didn't God save that person's body? I'm not exempt, it is my question too! I guess we will have to have Faith until we "know".
Mysticbarca7 Try telling that to the Jews who hid in attics while the Nazis searched the house during the Holocaust. Which btw God just sat back and watched it all happen instead of stopping it.
actually. It says fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Now in terms of fear, Satan can not hold a candle to God. Yes God loves us but the full wrath of satan is childs play in comparison to the wrath of God
Murri16 I'd say Love of God is more powerful than fear of gad. There is no Satan, it is the absence of Good(God) that gives rise to Satan. No God = Satan.
Why does god need the devil for us to know how good he is??? There are millions of other ways to show us how great he is...Sounds like you’re saying he needs to prove to himself how great he is, but that wouldn’t make sense?!?!
Insane Asylum Satan is used for a test God wants us to love him willingly instead of being forced. That’s free will think of it as being in a relationship. You’ll get many guys trying to get at your girl but it’s by your girl decisions she loves you if she choose to cheat on you or not
God is good and Satan is evil. You cannot have good without evil. There has to be a balance. If you want to destroy satan, destroy the evil that is in you. It is in us all. It is up to the individual with free will to destroy satan. It is your battle. God will help you battle, through Jesus christ.
Julumkana It's all fucked up. So the creator allows millions if not billions to be mislead in the past, present and future .... And all those people who are mislead go into the lake of fire hell? I'm telling u its one big fucking sick game I think especially when u learn that the name Jesus is not even the original name on the long list of supposed names and not to mention that the name Jesus has the numbers of the beast that is described in revelation. Yes folks the beast is Jesus because it has the numbers 666 in it and its not even the original name. I ask u how many people have been mislead past,present and future and the creator just watches?! That is why no one will be expecting the real massiah to come because people are mislead into believing that the beast is the massiah. While everyone argues the name Jesus kreeps into every religion and mouth ,wether it be Christianity or Islam both have this fake figure head Jesus that's been put in there for the very purpose to mislead. Everything has been changed in every religion. Even the word Lord means Baal. We can argue if a group of people went as far as changing the names then they could have done even more like changing the titles ect.... Its all lies that people are being fed. Its all fucked up ,wake up and don't trust so easily,question everything. Your pastor or sheh is lying directly to ur face when they say nothing has been changed and even when they agree its been changed but they say its only changed once.....guess what? They are lying again knowingly or unknowingly. Many things have been changed not once but several multiple times. And many other religions are affected in the very same way its all lies.
Wow so good! Just like God's Word says, His thoughts and His ways are higher than our thoughts and our ways! If we believe differently then we have pride that needs to be dealt with.
Continue on, Jesus was used as a Trojan Horse by God the Father. This was why while praying in the garden, Jesus asked "Father, Is this the only way?" The answer is YES. Because the only one strong and powerful enough to defeat Death is Jesus. Nobody else can.
Well there's nothing wrong in trying your best to try and find what God is thinking. But yes, if God exists, then no human will ever comprehend God's knowledge and way of thinking
BRILLIANT MAN BRILLIANT ANSWER I was just baffled by the words of reassurance that the Glory of Gods power shines through and is of the utmost importance in his Devine plan for us. Amazing word. Thank you!
I'm thinking that God allows Satan to exist so that evil is exposed. If we never had a problem with Satan, we would never know we need the answer, Jesus.
If there was no evil in the first place you wouldn't need to fix anything that's the point. By your own logic Jesus and God have quite literally used Satan to set up a con to make you join them.
g. lumapas what do you mean "if", God is apparently omniscient, that means he knew it would turn to shit, meaning he purposely created Satan to blame it on.
I happened upon this by chance....searching for answers on my walk, and in a state of physical and mental fear and pain...and I just want to say thank you. God bless you. Ive read that the Father tries us by fire, to refine our spirits and to sharpen our ability to wield the sword of truth, and I try so hard to remember this always..but in seasons I am weak, afraid, I stumble and doubt.. But always I read Isaiah 53 and the truth and the light of what the Messiah, Yahshua/Christ did..and the sufferings he managed to absorb and use for the glory of God, remind me of why HE is the only way. He is the truth and the light of the world. I will spread this message until death steals my breath..its the ONLY truth and the only words worth speaking. Thanks again for your passion and encouragement.
So, suffering is God's way of getting more glory? And, He allows all the evil to teach us how good He is? Sorry, but I don't like the sound of this God.
THEGLORYRISING God is how he is, not how we would want him to be...If He would be as we want then he is a made up god, not God itself. By reading the Bible you find out John P is not so wrong. Lets not make our beliefs based on what people say, but what Bible sais.
alberto luis Christians aim to base their beliefs on the Bible; that's a given. But Christians don't have to conclude with John Piper's horrific version of a Theodicy. Jesus said "the devil came to kill, steal and destroy". But doesn't John Piper place God in the devil's shoes by giving Him ownership for the killing and destroying?
THEGLORYRISING You are missing the whole target ! The Almighty has given us FREE WILL - without which you, I and everyone/everything else alive would be just mindless automatons - His mind is far too above us for us to ever comprehend, at least while we are still of this world. God bless Japan.
Thank you duo much for this I have been going threw some trials and walking with my Lord while I'm doing it an in that finding him and learning him more as he molds me to the the ideal man! One of my? Was exactly this!! And my own concluding outcome was something similar it felt good to hear someone else I recognize more knowledgeable in this subject and or topic! !!thank you friend thank you brother good bless please post more! May the lords spirit guide you and shield you from all evil on your journey!
I believe that God also gives us a choice. This can been in the beginning when he created Adam and Eve. He put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil to gives them a choice. God wants us to follow Him, key word is follow. I believe that God has wisdom and knowledge beyond what we can ever comprehend. God knew that Lucifer would betray him before He ever created him. He knew man would fall to sin before He ever created man.
That would make the garden eden a script which he planned and executed. If a parent acted like that they would be in jail right now. So you cant say its justice when we put such parents in jail for abusing their children like that and then defend your god who (supposedly) acts the same. Its hypocritical. And no, its not relevant if its a god or parents. Either logic applies to both or none.
You ask me what I believe, Michael. Well, I believe in lots of things - but not in the Christian god or, indeed, any god. So just as I don't believe in heaven, I reject the existence of hell. Anyway, what sort of god would deliberately create a place of eternal torture? Answer: only a monster. And who wants to worship, of be with, a deity who is a monster? Not me, Michael.
Etuate, it seems you also don't have enough intelligence to think for yourself, but instead fall back on tired old cliches. But let my try and take you seriously. You believe that the creator of the universe impregnated a young virgin 2,000 years ago in primitive Palestine. I don't believe that. And you say MY position requires more faith than yours?!! You cannot be serious!!! You believe that a man-god with supernatural powers rose from the dead. I don't believe that. Yet you say that YOUR position requires less faith than mine? What planet do you live on?!! You believe that the creator of the universe takes a personal interest in you and wants your fascinating company for all eternity. I don't believe that. What?!! Are you SERIOUSLY saying that my non-belief requires a greater degree of faith than yours?!!! Are you batshit crazy?!! And why do you believe all the above? Have you convincing evidence to support any of your claims? Of course not! You believe because adults told you it from virtually the moment you could walk. The sad thing is that as a result of this indoctrination, your capacity to think for yourself has been destroyed - so there's probably no hope for you.
Temptation and deceit moves through this world like a plague. God knew this would happen. It's so easy to backslide nowadays and through His love He gives us many opportunities to accept His grace and mercy through our trials and tribulations by relying on faith. That foundation is NECESSARY. We NEED hard times because we NEED God.
Good point I agree totally I'm giving him the glory in my storm cause I'm going to continue to preach the word of God cause in the mist he's with me and in the end all thing's work together for those who love the Lord so I stand cause he stood for me Amen.
He couldn’t have made his glory abundant and apparent without Satan being present? “So his mercy justice grace and wisdom could shine more brightly”. Are you unaware of how many people have either ceased To believe or Ceased to care or could never come to believe in the first place because of suffering how is that merciful or gracious?
Really enjoyed your commentary, you do simplify things and answer questions all of us have. I Love God, but no I sure don't understand the purpose of many things. He will deliver us from Satan, which shows the supreme glory of God. Thank you
wow, really true. We would love God because He swept Satan away and all the problems will be gone, rather than loving His glory and mightiness. I had the same question, and the way it was answered here is true.
I pray for an increase of the Father Son and Holy Spirit inside of me and a decrease of myself... I give myself to you Oh my dear bountiful God, creator and master of all :)
People make it way too complicated. God allows Satan, and evil to exist in the world, for the same reason He gives us Free Will: To make a choice. You either acknowledge Jesus as your Savior before others, or you denounce Him. There is no inbetween. Matthew 10:32-33: "Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven."
Man was already curious about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The thoughts were there before satan ever tempted them. You can't tempt the uncurious.
Man, it’s good to hear Truth. I just did some poking around on (clearly demonic) false teaching channels, and it physically grieves me to hear their vile lies. Hearing Truth is such a fresh drink of water, it’s amazing.
Consider this; By two immutable things, GOD cannot lie. Prophecies spoken by those in OT (Daniel, others) must come forth: Daniel 11:36, Revelation 19:20 & 20:1-3, Isaiah 14:12-15.
In my belief why God allow satan to live because God wants to save all humanity as much as possible if God put an end to satan then whos next? We humans, because of God's love he gave us time to repent and the greatest thing he give is jesus his son before putting evil to end and one might reason if God put an end to satan in first place man or angels like lucifer would never know what is evil and the consequences of taking this to act. But i believe what this man says. We cant question God of what hes doing because his knowledge and wisdom is beyond more than we can imagine. God knows what might happen. God bless.
Richard Meza-- Does it or does it NOT say in the bible that it is by HIS grace we are saved and that there is nothing we can do to save ourselves. NOW, with that in mind it seems to me that our existence on earth is nothing more than a torture test for a deity that I firmly believe even after he destroys the world, and claims to kill Satan in the process ( God and Satan are one and the same ) after say 10,000 years in heaven, or maybe not even 10 days he will revert right back to that diabolical hobby he has for causing suffering for his children, which he enjoys. He will miss those days of all his POWER and GLORY. Streets paved with gold. Jewels in the walls. You could be in a prison cell. The bars could be made of gold. The walls could be made of gold. Even the floor. Is it any less of a prison because of this substance it is made of? His track record and the destruction and pain he has cause and STILL causes has led me to the conclusion that our creator is indeed and evil deity. As far as his WISDOM. I firmly believe that his WISDOM only works for HIM, or rather HIS entertainment, which involves the pain and suffering of his children. I want ONE good reason why I should not maintain that belief.
This is a lesson for the angels..because of God 's love ..and fairness and mercy and justice..and the gift of free will...and action versus consequence
I'm a theologian, as well, so I was interested to hear Dr. Piper's answer to this question. I wouldn't go so far as to say I disagree with what he said, but I think his response could have been more comprehensive because he left out certain realities that bear mentioning. God does not do things that are against His nature. That doesn't mean that He isn't omnipotent; it just mean that He has a character and, unless humans, He has 100% integrity to and consistency in that character. So, God cannot lie, God cannot sin, etc., because those things are not in His nature. Another part of His nature is that He creates; He does not destroy. Revelation 20:10 clearly says that Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire -- to be tormented forever and ever. So, yes, at the end of days, Satan will be "taken out", as Dr. Piper put it, in the sense that Satan will no longer be active and will no longer be able to work in this world and among humanity, but Satan is not going to be physically destroyed. Satan was originally an angel and God made angels eternal. So, Satan is going to continue to exist, but he's going to spend that eternity in the lake of fire. Satan is not eligible for redemption. God doesn't destroy what He creates, even when His creations break His heart. He didn't get rid of humanity when we sinned. He wiped away the corrupt generation of Noah's time, but you can see from the account written in Genesis that He left a remnant -- Noah and his family -- to begin humanity again. He didn't erase humanity completely and start over, so to speak. To the human mind, wiping the slate clean would have made more sense and we certainly deserved annihilation but, again, that's not God's nature. When creation went wrong because of human sin, God redeemed the situation, at enormous cost to Himself, through Jesus. It shows the extent of His love that He went to such lengths to save His beloved creation.
I love Jesus because he first loved me
hi my name is Tommy and I really like your comment probably the first one I can actually agree to God Bless you friend
+Thomas Sterrett sounds gay to me - i love Jesus because he first loved me.
+TOMMY Short oh, shut up....go and help granma with the washing
TOMMY Short ah shut the fuck up, u wuss. I'll storm the heavens, kill god and make Jesus ma bitch! CAPICHE? good.....now fuck off....or else
+We_Are_The_Watchers #27 Not a true atheist but a hate mongering. Oh well. Impossible thing u said.
Can a man judge God? No because we cannot see His whole purpose. Our thoughts are not God's thoughts. Our ways are not His ways. Period!
Those are simply platitudes my friend meant to explain away the unexplainable.
Amen God has purpose of satan
Saxon C Amen!
That's naive and sycophantic.
True
if God would have killed Satan, from the beginning... EVERYONE would serve God out of FEAR rather than LOVE! So sin MUST run its course....Satan knows that time is short!!
Rog1550 Exactly!!!...God does not operate by force
Rog1550 It's all fucked up. So the creator allows millions if not billions to be mislead in the past, present and future .... And all those people who are mislead go into the lake of fire hell? I'm telling u its one big fucking sick game I think especially when u learn that the name Jesus is not even the original name on the long list of supposed names and not to mention that the name Jesus has the numbers of the beast that is described in revelation. Yes folks the beast is Jesus because it has the numbers 666 in it and its not even the original name. I ask u how many people have been mislead past,present and future and the creator just watches?! That is why no one will be expecting the real massiah to come because people are mislead into believing that the beast is the massiah. While everyone argues the name Jesus kreeps into every religion and mouth ,wether it be Christianity or Islam both have this fake figure head Jesus that's been put in there for the very purpose to mislead. Everything has been changed in every religion. Even the word Lord means Baal. We can argue if a group of people went as far as changing the names then they could have done even more like changing the titles ect.... Its all lies that people are being fed. Its all fucked up ,wake up and don't trust so easily,question everything. Your pastor or sheh is lying directly to ur face when they say nothing has been changed and even when they agree its been changed but they say its only changed once.....guess what? They are lying again knowingly or unknowingly. Many things have been changed not once but several multiple times. And many other religions are affected in the very same way its all lies.
Couldn't have said it better myself my brother *Rog 1550* :)
Rog1550 Yeah it's been running it's course for centuries. It ran it's course the day Dylan Roof walked through those church doors and murdered 9 believers.
that's why you should have faith in God and jesus there is no other god but him before then now and forever . follow jesus foot steps to enter to everlasting life .
That made more sense to me than probably any sermon I've ever heard in my 35 years alive.
Who can understand the infinite wisdom of the Almighty?! Spend more time trusting him ☺
Him*
Our problem is that we are not omniscient! That is we do not see all and understand all. As matter of fact, I think we human beings starting with me understand VERY LITTLE! When I was only five years old my mother started to tell me the stories of the Bible. My very first question was "Why didn't God kill the Devil and the rebel angels immediately? That would have saved all of us a lot of grief!!! My mother told me that angels are spirits and although a man's physical body dies sooner or later the spirits do not die. It just the way God made it. Since our brain is not big enough to expand itself to point where it can understand TOTALLY the INFINITE we have two choices to worry or trust God! Thank you Sister Joyce for reminding me of this teaching my mother tried to teach me so many years ago!
Exactly, Trevor. So it's best not to think about what makes sense and what doesn't. Truth is, using one's brain isn't advisable if you are a Christian.
This is a prime example of blind faith.
John Craske FAITH!!!
John Piper, I thank God for the wisdom given you. The name of God is glorified thru you. I am praising the Lord as I listen to you. I thank God for the life of John Piper. You are God's blessing Sir.
I think He allows Satan to live, to give us a choice between Him (God) and something that is anti-Him (Satan).
He doesnt force Himself on us as if there is no other choice. Whatever we choose, it is a sign of where our hearts and affections lie... and we will receive an eternal judgement for this choice.
Ann J really? How's there a SLIGHTEST iota of choice?
Choice a.) choose god and god will let you live in his kingdom forever and ever
Choice b.) choose satan or even just go against or refuse to believe in him and well he sends in this little other place where you still reside forever, but with the small detail that that place is full of agony and pain and literally the worst place there can ever be.
So YEAH god gives you a choice like a robber would, who is pointing a gun at you to hand your wallet over to him. Sure you have a choice to give up and give him your possession or, you know, you could just idk DIE. SO much free will and free-choice m8 I agree as well.
(Not really, I don't agree but in case you don't understand im being sarcastic.)
So I've got a question. given aLLL these facts that i have stated could you please tell me, in the context of my points' relevancy, the point of having free-will if in return of what you do, you get punished by it?
Well said.
The assumption is everyone wants to go to heaven which is false. There are people who want to go to hell. There called satanists.
MTH, wrong, the large majority of Satanists don't even believe in Hell, or God, let alone Satan.
Dr Rick Marshall ok before that God knowssome ppl are satanic so why God created them? smh im curious
Wow! John Piper hit it on the spot! I've always wondered this myself and this explanation makes a lot of sense!
i dont understand god sometimes but i still trust him
+Geraint Pierce I don't understand why my father still beats my mother, but I still trust him.
+Geraint Pierce And this virtue is described as blind faith. Right?
whats the point of trusting god really?
+Geraint Pierce Why would you trust something that 1) isn't real 2) doesn't actually care about you?
Khalkara if something didn't care about me wouldn't that be saying that it existed......
I love Jon Piper. Thank you for sharing this. : )
As a devout Christian, what I can't fathom is the seemingly unnecessary suffering of the helpless wrought by followers of satan, intentionally or not. Can someone please help explain this
Thank you John, and all I can add to what you said about Gods Glory is that God acts in perfect harmony with all his attributes - something we humans can't even start to comprehend...
IT'S ALL BASED ON FAITH.
AND I PUT MY FAITH IN GOD EVERY SINGLE DAY.
I PUT ON THE FULL ARMOR OF GOD AND ASK HIM TO WALK WITH ME EVERY SINGLE DAY.
Amen!
Amen 🙏
because if god takes him out now alot of people will be in tthe lake of fire. god is waiting for more to be saved
No one would burn if He didnt create them to die and if he didnt create hell. Christians seem to force a callousness to cope with the brutality of their god.
mark coulourianos if you read the Bible carefully you'll learn that He didn't create humans to die
+Byanka Stone Exactly
I need to clarify that scripture teaches otherwise. God knew man would fall into sin and that Jesus Christ would become the sacrifice for those sins. Therefore He knew they would die just as much as He knew Jesus Christ would become the sacrifice for sin. It is all purposed in eternity past.
The faithful don't die. Able's blood was upon the ground, yet it cried out to God. This was after Able left his earthy body. To the faithful, their reward is not in this world, but in the next. In this world, we are only taught how to act, what things to hold dear to us, etc. We are then given time to help us become accustom to those things, and this way of being, of acting, of thinking, so that we can enjoy our reward in a much better way when we receive it as part of our reward for doing those things properly, and valuing them properly. They change us into the creatures with the attributes needed in order to face eternity, and God himself. There is a whole Kingdom in Heaven, not just heaven itself. By our work, Jesus said we earn our 'place' in heaven, or our rank, in that world to come.
I was thinking about this very concept deeply yesterday. Then I saw this. By sheer chance. Thank you for the clip. I was personally touched by it - to the glory of God.
In other words, sunshine wouldn't be beautiful, if it wasn't for rain
Love this take on it!!! It is in our weakest moments of suffering that the Glory of Jesus shines through and comforts our soul!! Praise JESUS!!!
This is my #1 question. Thank God for answering it *just now.* I asked it to 3 pastors before during a camp but since the time is very limited only 1 pastor answered it and although I was honored and thankful that that preacher I look up to very much gave time to answer it, I didn't quite understood anything that he said. Like 0% probably because of the setting, and I was having mixed emotions bec I was just asked a nerve wracking question which happened to be a question for a Ms. Camper nominee and I didn't answer it the best THEN I had the nerve to ask an irrelevante question. So past forward 2 yrs? Thank God I knew about this channel and I has been watching desiring God videos for the past weeks. This preaching is absolutely planned perfectly for my life at the perfect time and Ptr. John is His perfect instrument to answer my dilemma because I know his preachings are very eloquent and elaborative yet very clear and understandable. Thank you Lord for your plans and your Sovereignty.
"The reason why the son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil." (1 John 3:8)
+G. MacDonald Which kinda goes back to why didn't God destroy Satan early on? Especially if the plan is to destroy his works anyway...
+The Bottom Line
We empower satan when we give into his temptations
Knowing Christ Rules Doesn't the bible say we are tempted by our own desires, so it can't be Satan's temptations...
+The Bottom Line
Our own desires are inherited from satan (spiritually speaking) , when we fell we entered into a union with satan, but i see what you mean :) all evil comes from him, he certainly plays on our individual weaknesses, we each are tempted a little bit differently depending on our desires.
+The Bottom Line Yes it does Bottom Line, say that but guess who puts those desires into our heads??? The bible also states Satan in cunning and a great manipulator and this is how he does this.
I revisited this video in different times of my life and it is still very impactful.
In worst and best times Jesus is my Lord and Savior
Thank you for taking on the difficult questions ...We all have access to the Bible and prayer for clarity and understanding for ourselves if we question your answers... I appreciate your knowledge and best attempts through God to answer these tough questions helping us all to be comfortable to feel free to bring up touchy topics that effect us all in everyday life. Your a blessing
Truly inspiring.. ❤️
I loved the explanation which gives me comfort in spite of all the hardships I faced.. 🙏🏼💕
what I thought is God is trying to let us choose instead of forcing us to love him.
God wants you to willingly love him with your heart and if there was a a demon possessed man, and God knew that he would get saved a few years later, then God will wait a few years later.
If he wanted us to choose to love him than why does he burn you in hell forever for not loving him, that is not choosing that is him forcing you to love him.
Whats the point in this why would a all powerfull god need love from anything? Why us? If he was all good and powerfully etc etc why create anything? Is he bored of playing candy crush so made the universe for shits and giggles?
I go with the answer that God loves me (and you) since he knew me before I was conceived and somehow the incredible chain of events that led to me existing with my unique set of thoughts, experiences, and everything....it all required Satan to exist, the garden, the fall, the sin, but also the sacrifice, the mercy, the grace and ultimately the reunion of our holy family in the ever after.
God did all of this out of love for us and ultimately for His glory throughout the ages as His mercy is revealed in our redemption and His justice is revealed in the Lake of fire.
difficult things to believe because it's all so big and unreal compared to my daily routines of life, but there's the truth.
The best answer of understanding God is complete acceptance of the unkown (which is faith, the acceptance of God Unknown but Almighty and gracious)
How Ironic, huh? Things makes more sense to accept that God has a plan and we will never know it.
"Believe first! and you will see" - John 11:40
A leader who encourages not to question him seems a lot like a dictator to me.
Briel james Abad It's all fucked up. So the creator allows millions if not billions to be mislead in the past, present and future .... And all those people who are mislead go into the lake of fire hell? I'm telling u its one big fucking sick game I think especially when u learn that the name Jesus is not even the original name on the long list of supposed names and not to mention that the name Jesus has the numbers of the beast that is described in revelation. Yes folks the beast is Jesus because it has the numbers 666 in it and its not even the original name. I ask u how many people have been mislead past,present and future and the creator just watches?! That is why no one will be expecting the real massiah to come because people are mislead into believing that the beast is the massiah. While everyone argues the name Jesus kreeps into every religion and mouth ,wether it be Christianity or Islam both have this fake figure head Jesus that's been put in there for the very purpose to mislead. Everything has been changed in every religion. Even the word Lord means Baal. We can argue if a group of people went as far as changing the names then they could have done even more like changing the titles ect.... Its all lies that people are being fed. Its all fucked up ,wake up and don't trust so easily,question everything. Your pastor or sheh is lying directly to ur face when they say nothing has been changed and even when they agree its been changed but they say its only changed once.....guess what? They are lying again knowingly or unknowingly. Many things have been changed not once but several multiple times. And many other religions are affected in the very same way its all lies.
Briel james Abad yes but because god thinks a certain way...we have to suffer for it....that's wrong to me as well
HuMaNs vs RoBoTs and the fact that Adam and Eve sinned...it's ritchous we all lick dust....and suffer whiling and bashing our teeth for ever and ever....its actually so sick...it's the sickest of violence ever imagined
Coming from out loving Creator
"free will" is the keyword. the whole thing about the garden of eden was to test the first two beings adam and eve. if there was never temptation (the garden, satan), then man would never had had free will, they'd just be robots. so, god gave them the ultimate test to see if these free-thinking beings could choose evil or good and they chose evil in the end. then mankind spiraled out of control,
My dad and I were having a deep discussion about this. We came down to that God created the angels but gave them free will. If there was no free will then we would be no different than a robot. Worship to God must come as a choice, otherwise it's not worship from the *heart. Our God is a lover of freedom and it would be unholy to force us to worship Him. Where's the glory in that?? There is none!
Wow, I'm just now reading your full comment. We're on the same page here!
consumedbyfire13 So the Christians who make it to heaven after judgment day will have free will (or will they be robots)? Does that mean they can one day get kicked out like Satan if they exercise that free will the wrong way? And why would God have to give an ultimate test to see anything? Doesn't he already know everything that's going to happen before it happens? Didn't he know Adam and Eve would fail the test? They didn't even know they were choosing evil because they had no knowledge of evil until after they ate the fruit. How could they choose evil when they didn't know it existed? Of course it was easy for the serpent to trick them. They didn't know what trickery was, they would of course just believe the last thing that was said to them because what reason would they have to think it wasn't true? The serpent made them think it would be okay to eat from the tree so they did. How is it their fault that they didn't know any better and what does any of it have to do with me?
Anne Past He gives us the test because it's only fair. You can't give someone an "F" unless they already took the test. He gives us a chance.
consumedbyfire13 What about everything else I said? Testing is not the only issue that I just can't resolve in my mind. I use to believe with all of my heart but now my mind just won't stop questioning everything. I just don't understand why we can't be in heaven with the angels (from the start). Why do we have to be forced to exercise our free will with Satan and demons constantly battling against God to try to steer us in the wrong direction. God kicked the bad angels and the devil out of heaven and now they are down here tormenting us. I would never do something like that to my children. Obviously the angels in heaven don't need Satan in order to have free will and not be robots so why do we need him? Why wouldn't God just destroy him? Better yet, why was he created in the first place when God knew he would turn so evil? If I had the power to 100% protect my children at all times that's what I would do. The only way any of it makes sense is if God is not really all powerful and does not have full control over the angels he created like the ones who rebelled.
I found jesus late in life but learning more everyday this helped answer questions I didn't even know I had more proof to me of how God works through people like you.....mindblowing!!!
In the book of Enoch god said it’s a test for mankind he wants to know were we stand good heart or cold blooded/ good / evil / he’s going to keep the good and trash away the bad
Local 831 an omniscient God would not have needed to do the "testing" since he has absolute foreknowledge. if his goal is to keep the good, then he could have only chosen to create those who would be good right from the start and prevented all the needless suffering.
This is a perplexing question, but what I always do when things are not clear to me as to what God is doing or why, I trust him, more than my understanding. He has proved himself countless times when I will be mistaken again, I know this this is why questions to why, I trust in the Lord. Yes my mind wonders, that is why he gave us a mind.
god is omnipotent and omniscient. he knew from the very first start that satan, or if any of of the angels would rebel against him even before he created them. he had a choice which one to create and which ones not to. the fact that he created satan, it only means he chose the kind of world we are into. that's it. (that's if he exist).
And he also choose to come and save what was lost, yes.
***** we were created with a mind, go back
so are you suggesting you don't have a mind, help me understand you.
Richard Meza-- been waiting 45 years for him to PROVE himself. Don't ask me how I know he exists I just do. i never doubted his existence. What I doubt his his benevolence. Good is good, because HE says he is and for no other reason! Christian folk tell me all the time "God has a PLAN for you" What plan is that to be his punching bag? Here is some food for thought! Think God is a non materialistic God. Check out in the bible how when he restored Jobs STUFF two fold, he even replaced his family as if those we love have some kind of monetary price set by HIM! He compares use with inanimate objects ( jars of clay, seeds ) that have no feelings. Does that sound like such a benevolent being? Don't take my word for it. I strongly encourage you to read your bible cover to cover and don't skip ANYTHING! Use nothing more than the intelligence god gave you to interpret his actions.
BEST answer on this subject I have heard....thank you John.
Satan's Leash is too long!
Danny Hood By the power of the Holy Spirit pull the leash tighter till Satan chokes
Danny Hood It's all fucked up. So the creator allows millions if not billions to be mislead in the past, present and future .... And all those people who are mislead go into the lake of fire hell? I'm telling u its one big fucking sick game I think especially when u learn that the name Jesus is not even the original name on the long list of supposed names and not to mention that the name Jesus has the numbers of the beast that is described in revelation. Yes folks the beast is Jesus because it has the numbers 666 in it and its not even the original name. I ask u how many people have been mislead past,present and future and the creator just watches?! That is why no one will be expecting the real massiah to come because people are mislead into believing that the beast is the massiah. While everyone argues the name Jesus kreeps into every religion and mouth ,wether it be Christianity or Islam both have this fake figure head Jesus that's been put in there for the very purpose to mislead. Everything has been changed in every religion. Even the word Lord means Baal. We can argue if a group of people went as far as changing the names then they could have done even more like changing the titles ect.... Its all lies that people are being fed. Its all fucked up ,wake up and don't trust so easily,question everything. Your pastor or sheh is lying directly to ur face when they say nothing has been changed and even when they agree its been changed but they say its only changed once.....guess what? They are lying again knowingly or unknowingly. Many things have been changed not once but several multiple times. And many other religions are affected in the very same way its all lies.
Only for those who do not know God my friend,
then yeah you're pretty much on your own...
Narsimha Vamana there's night and day, action and reaction. There can be no good without bad. Good will have no meaning
HuMaNs vs RoBoTs - you absolutely don’t know what you are talking about!
My name isn’t _spelled_ like the way you see it right now. That’s because originally isn’t written with Latin letters, but in a completely different alphabet. Does this make me not the real and same me?!
Jesus, Iesus, Yeshua - not the same _person_ ? Because of transliteration reasons?
The legacy that Jesus has left doesn’t speak to you at all?
Well, it really doesn’t matter what you think about all this. It gets down to simple believe or not. That’s what saves your soul and eventually your body upon the resurrection.
Your unbelief does not make God’s faith without effect (Romans 3:3).
I'm not gonna lie this sucks. I'd rather not be born then risk dying and going to hell for all eternity.
if you repent of your sins and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ you shall be saved!
ILoveGodsWord413
I know and agree but the risk is terrible. For many years of my life I was an atheist and often I think what if I hadn't realized god was real, if I had died I'd be in hell for all eternity.
zaggers77
true
How did you realize God was real? I'd love to know.
Because He revealed Himself to me. God is Spirit and those who wish to worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth. God revealed Himself to me by the Holy Spirit and He used the Bible to do so which is God's written word.
Very well said. We wouldn't know the joy of conquering our faults, hard times, troubles without temptation. God gives us mercy by giving us teh victory. The joy of victory is much bigger than the shame and guilt of defeat. And with God we will never be defeated. Thank Him.
Amen!
racpatrice :)
***** :)
Why should we have to suffer because of Adam an Eve's decision to sin ? It doesn't make sense we shouldn't be held responsible because of there wrong doing in my opinion
I'll do you one better....
How does two beings that hasn't been taught the differences between right and wrong, be held accountable to such extremes, for something they had NO CLUE they were doing?
Yes, obeying God should have been the first thought. But what is "obey"? It's the act of doing what you are told. If the serpent gives them an alternate command, they wouldn't have known, NOT obeying is wrong. The tree was to give the knowledge of good and evil, if they ate. So this knowledge, that had it not.
So the extreme punishment for all of humanity, doesn't fit the crime. And for this dude to say God is Patient, is contradicting. He wiped the earth clean in only 1500 years. That's a day and a half for God. Seriously!
And how was an imperfect animal, amongst a perfect design (humans), in a perfect place? Just read the book of Job. You'll see the "in cahoots" plan Satan and God had. And I'm to believe that wasn't the case for the garden? Shame...
Jay Brick HOL UP SO HIS EGO? Damn!! GOD YOU EXTIST BUT YOUR WAYS ARE F#### up man!! For real
Jay Brick youre possibly the greates genius ive ever seen! :D i swear the god i still facepalm myself after reading your comment -.- man adam and eve are fictional characters. they have a symbolic meaning. they are symbolising the men kind who due to egoism and selfish desire got away from god and later were set free by jesus christ who came on earth to save us
Jay Brick it's the sin that attaches to our dna. we come from them therefore the sin is inside us. like a mutated gene.
before noobs such as you realise that bible is 3/4 fiction, metaforical meanings and symbolism it will be already too late.
the internet will be full of bullshit such as your comment
adam was a FICTIONAL CHARACTER!
Because God is trying to show the hosts in heaven as well as the inhabitants of the universe the deadly consequenses of sin. First through Lucifer, then through man. The further you stray from God and his blessings, the more evil will manifest in you just like iniquity was found in Lucifer because of his pride/ envy. That is my speculation.
SuperTowlie420 how
Janet Rozier Because most people don't follow Christ and Jesus said noone comes to the Father except through him
Yeah, cause not believing in one story among millions of others is soooo sinful that you need to suffer torture for an eternity.
Kristallogosan None of the other stories make sense
That's just beacuse you weren't raised to believe them, you were raised to believe this particular story. No religion makes 'sense' unless you were raised to believe it.
And again how does not believing in one crazy story among millions of others mean that you should suffer for an eternity? What a loving god.
And the Father still loves him. Which shows how awesome He is.
GOD created Satan he can take him out any time but he doesn't want to because he wants to see how many of us will live a sinless life. I think life is a test if you pass it you make it to heaven. Amen
***** Amen brother Don't let anyone tell you different, alot of my friends died because they were sinners try not to sin too.
you can't live a sinless life
IWWAPT WTNY Yea But We're saved because Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins!
+xAlpha- “xAlphaMalex3” Gamerx right mate
Wrong ,the righteous live by FAITH
I know what to say to my kids when they ask me that question thank you.
I agree with you...Simply because it has made me stronger, confident, secure, strong-minded, full of hope, something to look forward to, and to earn my right to live.....God has ALWAYS accompanied me, IS accompanying me, and WILL ALWAYS ACCOMPANY ME....I have learned throughout my life, that I HAVE a life worth living for, even through ALL the evil around me, simply because of HIS existence.....WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING...I COMMUNICATE WITH HIM....AMEN....
Ok, let me get this straight. The All Loving God of Love is able to destroy satan and Hell for that instances but CHOOSES not to so HIS blessings get more shine? The God of Love that CREATED us will send us to hell if we choose not to bow down to him? So God created Man...and Man has too suffer for eternity if they don't bow down to God..So the All Powerful and Loving God is punishing HIS creation for not doing what he says..right
johanzo88 ya...religion is mad...
johanzo88 the weird thing about this guy is, he's sort of implying that some good super being has allowed a bad super being to have dominion over humans - a bit like saying : the police let a rapist loose in a house, letting him have dominion over the teenage girls living in there!!! What a stupid "good" super being that is - allowing kids to be raped in front of his eyes!
I'm just confused as i am a christian myself. I have felt love from God but just some things i dont understand.
johanzo88 well, if u felt god's love, i cant help u...you are suffering from religiousmania-itis...a deadly disease for which there's no known cure.
johanzo88 The question is do you understand the fundamental makeup of the nature of man? Man can CHOOSE as you put it - yes. Will God send you to Hell - no. If you are a being with an immortal soul, will your rejection of God result in the desolation of His absence for eternity - yes. If you only see a real relationship with God as merely bowing down then you are mistaken. If He wants you to bow down before Him it's because He wants to lift you up to be what He created you to be before sin began to destroy you from the inside out.
pastor John, your hair is wonderful...
Lord, have Mercy!!!
Mr Piper I really like to congratulate you you have totally answered all my doubts enquiry I sincerely bless you today tomorrow and forever and may we meet one day in heaven thank you
Destroying him would go against his nature ?
Jay Brick Reminds me of batman refusing to kill joker XD
truthseeker89 for life It's all fucked up. So the creator allows millions if not billions to be mislead in the past, present and future .... And all those people who are mislead go into the lake of fire hell? I'm telling u its one big fucking sick game I think especially when u learn that the name Jesus is not even the original name on the long list of supposed names and not to mention that the name Jesus has the numbers of the beast that is described in revelation. Yes folks the beast is Jesus because it has the numbers 666 in it and its not even the original name. I ask u how many people have been mislead past,present and future and the creator just watches?! That is why no one will be expecting the real massiah to come because people are mislead into believing that the beast is the massiah. While everyone argues the name Jesus kreeps into every religion and mouth ,wether it be Christianity or Islam both have this fake figure head Jesus that's been put in there for the very purpose to mislead. Everything has been changed in every religion. Even the word Lord means Baal. We can argue if a group of people went as far as changing the names then they could have done even more like changing the titles ect.... Its all lies that people are being fed. Its all fucked up ,wake up and don't trust so easily,question everything. Your pastor or sheh is lying directly to ur face when they say nothing has been changed and even when they agree its been changed but they say its only changed once.....guess what? They are lying again knowingly or unknowingly. Many things have been changed not once but several multiple times. And many other religions are affected in the very same way its all lies.
truthseeker89 for life God will be committing murder if he kills Satan 😂
truthseeker89 for life GOD created Satan as a "scapegoat",you know! someone to blame on if shits going bad.😂
Cant see that god killed everyone on earth in the flood but cant sort out one so called fallen angel come on you have to do better than that god is a pro when it comes to killing shit
People forget we have authority over satan like KEEP FIGHTING BECAUSE TO HOD BE THE GLORY AND TO HIS PEOPLE BE THE VICTORY!✝️❤️
This war, and it is a war, has to run its course to see who's wheat, and who's tare.
There are two great forces in this universe. One wants you to know who he is...the other does not.
This is the most scriptural answer I've read on this video; it gets closest to what God's word says. (And I watched the video in subtitles)
Wait... he is basically saying that god allowed satan the freedom to tempt coz it makes god look good to have "won" the battle..?
wow... how petty can an omnipotent being be...
ferexx So true. Petty, insecure and requires his ego to be massaged.
You'd think an omnipotent being would be above all those human frailties.
can't help it since it was created by petty, insecure people who required their egos to be massaged
woah i think you guys mis interpreted what he means
Zephyral It's all fucked up. So the creator allows millions if not billions to be mislead in the past, present and future .... And all those people who are mislead go into the lake of fire hell? I'm telling u its one big fucking sick game I think especially when u learn that the name Jesus is not even the original name on the long list of supposed names and not to mention that the name Jesus has the numbers of the beast that is described in revelation. Yes folks the beast is Jesus because it has the numbers 666 in it and its not even the original name. I ask u how many people have been mislead past,present and future and the creator just watches?! That is why no one will be expecting the real massiah to come because people are mislead into believing that the beast is the massiah. While everyone argues the name Jesus kreeps into every religion and mouth ,wether it be Christianity or Islam both have this fake figure head Jesus that's been put in there for the very purpose to mislead. Everything has been changed in every religion. Even the word Lord means Baal. We can argue if a group of people went as far as changing the names then they could have done even more like changing the titles ect.... Its all lies that people are being fed. Its all fucked up ,wake up and don't trust so easily,question everything. Your pastor or sheh is lying directly to ur face when they say nothing has been changed and even when they agree its been changed but they say its only changed once.....guess what? They are lying again knowingly or unknowingly. Many things have been changed not once but several multiple times. And many other religions are affected in the very same way its all lies.
Why don't you pray to get your own answers
Why choose to believe the worst about God Zephyral?
This is one man's opinion trying to answer the question.
What do you ask of God, or do you ask anything? Be careful
not to always expect someone else to answer hard questions
while you get to just sit around and critique them? Very dangerous
to keep doing that without sharing the burden yourself...
This man is the only modern-day mainstream media preacher that I have ever heard explain the common question of why God won't destroy Satan; according to the scriptures!..what an awesome eye opener!..
Free Will we are no pupets.
We have no free will thats the funny part! There is lot of research in this field and its used in advertising every day thats why you buy the brands you do
OHOOHOHOOOOOOHHHHHHH
seems legit, thanks for sharing and God bless! Thanks God! To all those that don't fully understand, may the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ reveal these deeper things to you by his Spirit that you may know! Amen. If you don't understand, think of it this way, say you're completely surrounded by darkness and there seems to be no hope, then suddenly, there is a brilliant light that consumes the darkness. How would you feel?! Compare that to if there is no darkness and only light, then you won't truly appreciate the light. We have to be tested! God allows the kingdom of darkness in this world to test the people, to see what we will choose! For without a test, how will you know you've passed or truly become what God had in mind for you!
***** That makes no sense, for you wouldn't abhor darkness unless you knew it. That is what is good about God. And that is what is portrayed in Genesis. The choice.
Although I am a Christian who knows God through Jesus Christ I still have the following question, as even believers have unanswered questions which do not stop them loving God. My big unanswered question is - Why did God allow Satan access to His creation, Adam and Eve, when He knew they would be deceived by him and the Fall of man would occur together with all the suffering that causes both for mankind and also caused for God when He came to this earth to redeem us, taking on flesh in the person of Jesus Christ. I am not saying that your view is wrong as I don't know the answer myself, which is unfortunately why I still have the question! When you say that "God allows the kingdom of darkness in this world to test the people, to see what we will choose!", does that mean therefore that it was God's will for the angel (who we now know to be called Satan) to rebel against God? And if it was God's will for the angel to rebel "to test the people, to see what we will choose" then how is it logical for God to blame Satan when he was only carrying out God's will? I am not saying that your view is wrong, but only that it leads me to have yet the above-mentioned further question. I believe I will never solve this puzzle!
Wow ! Now I understand. Thank you sir. Now I understand what "Glory to God" really means.
To sum it all up in a few words: the greatest problem faced by believers, is coming up with excuses for God's failure to act. Most of the answers they propose revolve around the idea, that it is somehow better for God to do nothing, than to do something.
Exactly. And his "long leash" excuse is just another poor one.
Edward Wood if u didn't believe you wouldn't be here on this link listening & reading comments. You're the one looking for excuses to run from the truth.
What about me, Wasem?
You are right we do not have all the answers. Our problem once again is that we are not omniscient! "We can only what is physically right in front of us. And a lot of the time we don't even understand that. We can't see when God transports a person's spirit to a heavenly realm beyond this physical world. Maybe the person's body was destroyed but the being inside it was transported out of it safely to another dimension! So our question will always be why didn't God save that person's body? I'm not exempt, it is my question too! I guess we will have to have Faith until we "know".
Faith isn't good enough for me. I need some kind of concrete proof before I'm going to believe in any of this stuff.
If there was no Satan then there would be nothing for us to fear. God doesn't want this because fear is how he controls us. Satan helps God a lot.
First of all fear doesnt exist fears a LIE
How is fear a lie? I think everyone would agree that we all fear.
Mysticbarca7 Try telling that to the Jews who hid in attics while the Nazis searched the house during the Holocaust. Which btw God just sat back and watched it all happen instead of stopping it.
actually. It says fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Now in terms of fear, Satan can not hold a candle to God. Yes God loves us but the full wrath of satan is childs play in comparison to the wrath of God
Murri16 I'd say Love of God is more powerful than fear of gad. There is no Satan, it is the absence of Good(God) that gives rise to Satan. No God = Satan.
remember god loves u
Why does god need the devil for us to know how good he is??? There are millions of other ways to show us how great he is...Sounds like you’re saying he needs to prove to himself how great he is, but that wouldn’t make sense?!?!
Insane Asylum Satan is used for a test God wants us to love him willingly instead of being forced. That’s free will think of it as being in a relationship. You’ll get many guys trying to get at your girl but it’s by your girl decisions she loves you if she choose to cheat on you or not
God is good and Satan is evil. You cannot have good without evil. There has to be a balance. If you want to destroy satan, destroy the evil that is in you. It is in us all. It is up to the individual with free will to destroy satan. It is your battle. God will help you battle, through Jesus christ.
Julumkana It's all fucked up. So the creator allows millions if not billions to be mislead in the past, present and future .... And all those people who are mislead go into the lake of fire hell? I'm telling u its one big fucking sick game I think especially when u learn that the name Jesus is not even the original name on the long list of supposed names and not to mention that the name Jesus has the numbers of the beast that is described in revelation. Yes folks the beast is Jesus because it has the numbers 666 in it and its not even the original name. I ask u how many people have been mislead past,present and future and the creator just watches?! That is why no one will be expecting the real massiah to come because people are mislead into believing that the beast is the massiah. While everyone argues the name Jesus kreeps into every religion and mouth ,wether it be Christianity or Islam both have this fake figure head Jesus that's been put in there for the very purpose to mislead. Everything has been changed in every religion. Even the word Lord means Baal. We can argue if a group of people went as far as changing the names then they could have done even more like changing the titles ect.... Its all lies that people are being fed. Its all fucked up ,wake up and don't trust so easily,question everything. Your pastor or sheh is lying directly to ur face when they say nothing has been changed and even when they agree its been changed but they say its only changed once.....guess what? They are lying again knowingly or unknowingly. Many things have been changed not once but several multiple times. And many other religions are affected in the very same way its all lies.
Wow so good! Just like God's Word says, His thoughts and His ways are higher than our thoughts and our ways! If we believe differently then we have pride that needs to be dealt with.
Continue on, Jesus was used as a Trojan Horse by God the Father. This was why while praying in the garden, Jesus asked "Father, Is this the only way?" The answer is YES. Because the only one strong and powerful enough to defeat Death is Jesus. Nobody else can.
Cognitive dissonance. How can man expect to know the mind of God? What hubris.
From the Holy Bible
Well there's nothing wrong in trying your best to try and find what God is thinking. But yes, if God exists, then no human will ever comprehend God's knowledge and way of thinking
BRILLIANT MAN BRILLIANT ANSWER I was just baffled by the words of reassurance that the Glory of Gods power shines through and is of the utmost importance in his Devine plan for us. Amazing word. Thank you!
How is making excuses for human suffering "brilliant" ?
I'm thinking that God allows Satan to exist so that evil is exposed. If we never had a problem with Satan, we would never know we need the answer, Jesus.
If there was no evil in the first place you wouldn't need to fix anything that's the point.
By your own logic Jesus and God have quite literally used Satan to set up a con to make you join them.
So basically we suffer to stroke god's ego? No thank you.
Uhh no... God is secure in who he is. He does not need his ego to be stroked.
Revlo 1.
"Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God" Exodus 34:14
- Yup, sound's pretty secure in who he is.
GOD created Satan as a "scapegoat",you know! someone to blame on if shits going bad.😂
g. lumapas what do you mean "if", God is apparently omniscient, that means he knew it would turn to shit, meaning he purposely created Satan to blame it on.
Why was Numbers not a very glorious seeming book...
I happened upon this by chance....searching for answers on my walk, and in a state of physical and mental fear and pain...and I just want to say thank you. God bless you.
Ive read that the Father tries us by fire, to refine our spirits and to sharpen our ability to wield the sword of truth, and I try so hard to remember this always..but in seasons I am weak, afraid, I stumble and doubt..
But always I read Isaiah 53 and the truth and the light of what the Messiah, Yahshua/Christ did..and the sufferings he managed to absorb and use for the glory of God, remind me of why HE is the only way. He is the truth and the light of the world. I will spread this message until death steals my breath..its the ONLY truth and the only words worth speaking.
Thanks again for your passion and encouragement.
this man is crazy.
So, suffering is God's way of getting more glory? And, He allows all the evil to teach us how good He is? Sorry, but I don't like the sound of this God.
Why has you question god when he has given you life? Why is there so much anger?
justin white
Did I question God? Or did I question John Piper's opinions?
THEGLORYRISING God is how he is, not how we would want him to be...If He would be as we want then he is a made up god, not God itself. By reading the Bible you find out John P is not so wrong. Lets not make our beliefs based on what people say, but what Bible sais.
alberto luis
Christians aim to base their beliefs on the Bible; that's a given. But Christians don't have to conclude with John Piper's horrific version of a Theodicy.
Jesus said "the devil came to kill, steal and destroy". But doesn't John Piper place God in the devil's shoes by giving Him ownership for the killing and destroying?
THEGLORYRISING You are missing the whole target ! The Almighty has given us FREE WILL - without which you, I and everyone/everything else alive would be just mindless automatons - His mind is far too above us for us to ever comprehend, at least while we are still of this world.
God bless Japan.
Thank you duo much for this I have been going threw some trials and walking with my Lord while I'm doing it an in that finding him and learning him more as he molds me to the the ideal man! One of my? Was exactly this!! And my own concluding outcome was something similar it felt good to hear someone else I recognize more knowledgeable in this subject and or topic! !!thank you friend thank you brother good bless please post more! May the lords spirit guide you and shield you from all evil on your journey!
God is guilty
Naw you guilty, we are all guilty... thankfully we have a Redeemer in Jesus Christ
This is a joke. If he has all the power, simply speaking, he would have eliminated this guy aka Lucifer, even before the beginning of time.
If God is all good, then he can't be powerful. And if he's powerful, he can't be all good.
-Lex Luthor in Batman vs Superman
You base your Faith or lack of, on a Fictional Movie?? Really?
RexallMetal Fictional or not, the phrase makes perfect sense. All you gotta do is try to think about it.
I believe that God also gives us a choice. This can been in the beginning when he created Adam and Eve. He put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil to gives them a choice. God wants us to follow Him, key word is follow. I believe that God has wisdom and knowledge beyond what we can ever comprehend. God knew that Lucifer would betray him before He ever created him. He knew man would fall to sin before He ever created man.
That would make the garden eden a script which he planned and executed. If a parent acted like that they would be in jail right now. So you cant say its justice when we put such parents in jail for abusing their children like that and then defend your god who (supposedly) acts the same. Its hypocritical. And no, its not relevant if its a god or parents. Either logic applies to both or none.
Thankyou for that wise answer .. I knew that in my heart but it was wonderful to have it explained and confirmed . 👍
Well, folks, if you can believe this...you can believe anything.
agreed lol!
John Craske What do you believe, John?
You ask me what I believe, Michael. Well, I believe in lots of things - but not in the Christian god or, indeed, any god. So just as I don't believe in heaven, I reject the existence of hell. Anyway, what sort of god would deliberately create a place of eternal torture? Answer: only a monster. And who wants to worship, of be with, a deity who is a monster? Not me, Michael.
John Craske
I don't have enough faith to believe in atheism though...
Etuate, it seems you also don't have enough intelligence to think for yourself, but instead fall back on tired old cliches.
But let my try and take you seriously. You believe that the creator of the universe impregnated a young virgin 2,000 years ago in primitive Palestine. I don't believe that. And you say MY position requires more faith than yours?!! You cannot be serious!!!
You believe that a man-god with supernatural powers rose from the dead. I don't believe that. Yet you say that YOUR position requires less faith than mine? What planet do you live on?!!
You believe that the creator of the universe takes a personal interest in you and wants your fascinating company for all eternity. I don't believe that. What?!! Are you SERIOUSLY saying that my non-belief requires a greater degree of faith than yours?!!! Are you batshit crazy?!!
And why do you believe all the above? Have you convincing evidence to support any of your claims? Of course not! You believe because
adults told you it from virtually the moment you could walk.
The sad thing is that as a result of this indoctrination, your capacity to think for yourself has been destroyed - so there's probably no hope for you.
God does let Satan live, because Satan and God are allies, who together want to torment humanity.
Well, at least you would come out and say you hate God. Some don't.
So true. God is a Child Molesting Absentee Slum Landlord who lets Satan do his dirty work so he can avoid accepting responsibility for his own BS.
well, I'm done here.
Lol!
god is the root of all evil. so think of the evilest thing you can then double that god made it .
Temptation and deceit moves through this world like a plague. God knew this would happen. It's so easy to backslide nowadays and through His love He gives us many opportunities to accept His grace and mercy through our trials and tribulations by relying on faith. That foundation is NECESSARY. We NEED hard times because we NEED God.
Such an excellent word! It's easy to do well when things go well, but you praise him in the storm is Glory indeed! 💖☦️😇🙏🏼
The old Parker-Lewis-Can't-Lose defence of evil. Outstanding John, just outstanding.
Good point I agree totally I'm giving him the glory in my storm cause I'm going to continue to preach the word of God cause in the mist he's with me and in the end all thing's work together for those who love the Lord so I stand cause he stood for me Amen.
He couldn’t have made his glory abundant and apparent without Satan being present? “So his mercy justice grace and wisdom could shine more brightly”. Are you unaware of how many people have either ceased To believe or Ceased to care or could never come to believe in the first place because of suffering how is that merciful or gracious?
You r absolutely true .it's the best logical reasoning a man can ever find ..praise the lord amen...
Dude, incredible. Thank you for this testimony!
Right?!?!?! I think it's the only logical answer.
Extremely well explained, all glory to God x
Really enjoyed your commentary, you do simplify things and answer questions all of us have. I Love God, but no I sure don't understand the purpose of many things. He will deliver us from Satan, which shows the supreme glory of God. Thank you
wow, really true. We would love God because He swept Satan away and all the problems will be gone, rather than loving His glory and mightiness. I had the same question, and the way it was answered here is true.
you where right john pipper the struggling was worth it ..so here we go..amen #christians #jesus#freedom #nomorewars
I pray for an increase of the Father Son and Holy Spirit inside of me and a decrease of myself... I give myself to you Oh my dear bountiful God, creator and master of all :)
What can we possibly learn more that we couldn’t have learned or obtain just from God alone?
Could you rephrase that question? It’s a bit hard to understand.
Evil was necessary to make us righteous.
For His own Glory.
very interesting and heart-warming point of view :) Thank you very much :) !
People make it way too complicated. God allows Satan, and evil to exist in the world, for the same reason He gives us Free Will:
To make a choice. You either acknowledge Jesus as your Savior before others, or you denounce Him. There is no inbetween. Matthew 10:32-33:
"Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven."
Man was already curious about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The thoughts were there before satan ever tempted them. You can't tempt the uncurious.
for some reason this makes alot of sense to me
Agree wholeheartedly. Praise to the One True Sovereign God.
WOW. That was the best explanation yet that I have heard.
Man, it’s good to hear Truth.
I just did some poking around on (clearly demonic) false teaching channels, and it physically grieves me to hear their vile lies. Hearing Truth is such a fresh drink of water, it’s amazing.
Consider this; By two immutable things, GOD cannot lie. Prophecies spoken by those in OT (Daniel, others) must come forth: Daniel 11:36, Revelation 19:20 & 20:1-3, Isaiah 14:12-15.
Just delightful; such a bright and articulate mind. 'Why religion poisons everything', indeed..
this is the best i have ever watched.
In my belief why God allow satan to live because God wants to save all humanity as much as possible if God put an end to satan then whos next? We humans, because of God's love he gave us time to repent and the greatest thing he give is jesus his son before putting evil to end and one might reason if God put an end to satan in first place man or angels like lucifer would never know what is evil and the consequences of taking this to act. But i believe what this man says. We cant question God of what hes doing because his knowledge and wisdom is beyond more than we can imagine. God knows what might happen. God bless.
Richard Meza-- Does it or does it NOT say in the bible that it is by HIS grace we are saved and that there is nothing we can do to save ourselves. NOW, with that in mind it seems to me that our existence on earth is nothing more than a torture test for a deity that I firmly believe even after he destroys the world, and claims to kill Satan in the process ( God and Satan are one and the same ) after say 10,000 years in heaven, or maybe not even 10 days he will revert right back to that diabolical hobby he has for causing suffering for his children, which he enjoys. He will miss those days of all his POWER and GLORY. Streets paved with gold. Jewels in the walls. You could be in a prison cell. The bars could be made of gold. The walls could be made of gold. Even the floor. Is it any less of a prison because of this substance it is made of? His track record and the destruction and pain he has cause and STILL causes has led me to the conclusion that our creator is indeed and evil deity. As far as his WISDOM. I firmly believe that his WISDOM only works for HIM, or rather HIS entertainment, which involves the pain and suffering of his children. I want ONE good reason why I should not maintain that belief.
This is a lesson for the angels..because of God 's love ..and fairness and mercy and justice..and the gift of free will...and action versus consequence
I'm a theologian, as well, so I was interested to hear Dr. Piper's answer to this question. I wouldn't go so far as to say I disagree with what he said, but I think his response could have been more comprehensive because he left out certain realities that bear mentioning. God does not do things that are against His nature. That doesn't mean that He isn't omnipotent; it just mean that He has a character and, unless humans, He has 100% integrity to and consistency in that character. So, God cannot lie, God cannot sin, etc., because those things are not in His nature. Another part of His nature is that He creates; He does not destroy. Revelation 20:10 clearly says that Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire -- to be tormented forever and ever. So, yes, at the end of days, Satan will be "taken out", as Dr. Piper put it, in the sense that Satan will no longer be active and will no longer be able to work in this world and among humanity, but Satan is not going to be physically destroyed. Satan was originally an angel and God made angels eternal. So, Satan is going to continue to exist, but he's going to spend that eternity in the lake of fire. Satan is not eligible for redemption. God doesn't destroy what He creates, even when His creations break His heart. He didn't get rid of humanity when we sinned. He wiped away the corrupt generation of Noah's time, but you can see from the account written in Genesis that He left a remnant -- Noah and his family -- to begin humanity again. He didn't erase humanity completely and start over, so to speak. To the human mind, wiping the slate clean would have made more sense and we certainly deserved annihilation but, again, that's not God's nature. When creation went wrong because of human sin, God redeemed the situation, at enormous cost to Himself, through Jesus. It shows the extent of His love that He went to such lengths to save His beloved creation.
Pressure and hardships from the enemy so we can grow. So we can work together in love to overcome any obstacle by God's grace
Amen My Brother. Well said from start to finish.