I found the same `problem`with my `500`, the stock was just too long, and so I bought and installed the ATI stock system. What a difference! Thanks for this Kyle.
3 round restriction is for hunting only, otherwise canada doesnt have a limitation on rounds in a pump action shotgun, you can take the plug out and put a mag extension on that shotgun.
Statistics show that the majority of self defense shootings are 2.3 shots fired. ( Where the hell the .3 came from, I don't know) So, if someone enters your house at 4AM without asking permission, a 3 shot shotgun should be sufficient. In all my years as a Paramedic, I only had one patient who survived a hit from a 12 gauge shotgun. All the others expired ( died ) either before we arrived, or in the ambulance, or later at the hospital.
I just my 590 Exactly what I needed thanks bro. The hand grip might be thicker. But what's most important getting it into the shoulder quickly efficiently.
Awesome! I already clicked "buy" on one, and now here I am after the fact looking at reviews. I think it's going to be JUST what I need. I'm like 5'7" and the LOP on that stock stock is just way too long for me. Should be just about right. Thanks!
I know this is an older vid but as a newer subscriber I'm surfing thru your various playlists doing a little binging. I did want to point out one thing for those in a similar situation to yourself where a shorter length of pull is needed. If you're looking to by a new gun and not upgrade an existing, look for one of the youth models. Both Mossberg and Remington have offerings. They aren't just great for younger shooters, they're great for those of smaller stature be it a lady or a guy. They typically come with shorter stock and sometimes have option for a slightly shorter barrel which can also be a big bonus for a tactical gun as well. Also people shouldn't snub their nose at those youth models in 20ga either as it can be more manageable for youth and smaller stature people and not giving up much lethality. In a defensive situation 00 buck or slug out of a 20 is a devastating round. Now if it's a dual purpose, being hunting and defense possibly you give up some range on the outdoor but a 20 is still a fine gauge. It's not all about machismo, if a person can fire and reacquire faster and more comfortably with a 20 then go with a 20.
I love to see any firearm enthusiast, but I feel for you guys up north. You have a great shotgun and you can't even fill it up with the amount of shells it was made to handle. You gentlemen have to get a revolution going up there and get all your countrymen together and write yourselves up a new constitution that allows you more adequate firearm rights for all the U.K. If enough people demand it, it will happen. Peace brother!
Thank you for the review, and seeing the "nuts and bolts" of the stock change (oh, groan, bad pun). I too find the original stock to be too long of a pull (14.5" according to the Mossberg web site). This stock has made it to my short list, for consideration.
I found that the problem @12:00 sill happened after installing the sorter stock (I am quite short). For any other shorter gentlemen, adding some electrical tape to the padding on the back of the stock will keep the stock from snagging on your clothing. add just enough to cover the cushion. Hope this helps someone else.
I'm 6'2" my wife is 5'4" ...the "stock" stock was too long for her, so I switched to this... And its way too short for me! That was a couple years ago, and I totally forgot how to get the Hogue on and off!
I modded my Mossberg Maverick 88 18.5inch and popped the 12lop stock. , the slide action tube and the over molded forend on mine. Still cheaper than a stock 500. I got maverick $189 at academy sports new obviously.
Nice. Not my cup of tea but I can appreciate it none the less. I got a maverick all the same which is my "go to" 12 gauge when I'm not carrying a cooey.
Hey Kyle, Years ago I purchased a pistol grip collapsable stock from ATI for my 835 But decided not to use it. I built another M-4 carbine and used the butt piece. it will fit the 500/835 & I believe the 900 series models. help me with the shipping and it's yours if you want it. I'm not familiar with Canada law it's a pistol grip stock. complete with hardware. Keep up the videos man !!!!!! If your not interested mabe a viewer might be. A standard 6 position but stock is all that's needed to complete the build.
Kyle Noseworthy - Weiderfan Hey Kyle I goofed and miss placed your address !!!! sorry for the delay bud had a real busy end of the week. if you could please email me@ rogerrabbibt@ yahoo.com watch the spelling man !! I'll get it out ASAP my friend. !!!!
Hi Kyle, I just won an 18.5" Mossberg 590A1 on Gun Broker last week, and I'm wondering what socket and length you used to put the new Hogue stock on. I was under the impression that it was a flat-head screw? That might be the case on the 590's rather than the 500 though. I'm a short-statured guy with short arms, so I need a shorter LOP. It's either this or the Magpul stock, but I like the traditional look of this stock over the Magpul one. Thanks!
They don't make a stock for the Winchester SXP so I just cut it down. When I say "just", I had to also modify the slip-on Limbsaver pad to fit it to the reduced size stock and make it work with the sling connection way back. Then I had to work with the stock shell holder I use. All in all it really wasn't bad or took a lot of time. I'm also 5' 6" and it feels more natural to me now. I can now put the butt to the right of my chest rather than into the shoulder blade area which keeps the shotgun more "centered" for tactical use as one keeps their torso more squared to the target as opposed to more angled for hunting.
Reg Sparkes I have. I carry my copy of the regulations with me when I go and either highlight or use post it's as book marks to show the DNR officers their rules that I am abiding. Most of my experiences with DNR are positive.
Good then Doug, you've done the smart thing here. I had a rifle which was, according to RCMP regulation`s declared as non-restricted, but after having it measured by a `professional' it was proved to be LESS THAN 18.5 inches. I kept a copy of the RCMP certification for this make/model with me, just in case too.
Reg Sparkes it is sad that guys who operate within the laws have to go to lengths to prove they are law abiding. I try to be polite with DNR officers but I also go by the regulations (Federal and Provoncial).
As wide as u are tall, got it, me too. Put the limbsaver recoil pad in small over top of the hogue leaving the recoil pad on an it will give u just shy of 13 inch lop. Works out perfectly 🍻
Dicks.... Houge web site does not mention LOP on their standard stock, which I found out to be 14 inches LOP. Houge short stock is as we know runs 12" LOP Since I have a Magpul front end that is 2" shorter then the original, I need a 13" LOP to reach it and hold it comfortably. I'm shit out of luck unless I got for a $100+ Magpul that has adjustable pads. Why Houge? Why? I'm not a giant nor a midget, I'm just a normal average size dude! :(
@@kyle_noseworthy I specifically do not want pistol grip, and I'll never go ATI again. It's total junk. The best part about ATI stocks are the giant pretty boxes they come in, but what's inside are turds.
I had one gifted to me. 6-position adjustable with the pistol grip. Quality seemed great, but the ergonomics were terrible. I removed it right away, without even firing a single shot.
@@kyle_noseworthy I still have a six position folding one for a rifle, it's a silly pile of rattly plastic crap. Ergonomics are indeed terrible, reach angle to the trigger hook is so off it's comical.
@@kyle_noseworthy P.S. Great video btw, thank you for that, it's well done. Good lighting, sound is clean, you did multiple angle/POV setups and showed the 12 LOP Houge side by side which helped me to pass on it. It's way too short for me. I'm still thinking what to do with my 14" LOP, since it is too long even with a shirt on, throw a jacket on and I'll barely reach the front end. Great job man, it is much appreciated!
You have to keep the plug in for defensive use?! Geez that sucks. It’s important to give people who would do you harm a sporting chance. I’m not trying to be flippant but I really hope you are never in a situation where the presence of that plug makes a difference.
Agreed man.. It's why I have been practicing reloading, and will practice loading from a side saddle. If I empty it, I can lower it, load a shell, and get back on target in around 1 second now, which is pretty good. I'll get it below.
I've got an older (much older) Mossberg 500 that I would like to upgrade. I'm sort of wanting to make a trench gun out of it. Great video! When is part 2 coming out or is it already up?
Thank you for the assistance. BUT all I needed was to see how to find the holes at the rear of the new stock. That took you almost NINE minutes. Thank you for the waste of time !!
I found the same `problem`with my `500`, the stock was just too long, and so I bought and installed the ATI stock system. What a difference!
Thanks for this Kyle.
3 round restriction is for hunting only, otherwise canada doesnt have a limitation on rounds in a pump action shotgun, you can take the plug out and put a mag extension on that shotgun.
Statistics show that the majority of self defense shootings are 2.3 shots fired. ( Where the hell the .3 came from, I don't know) So, if someone enters your house at 4AM without asking permission, a 3 shot shotgun should be sufficient. In all my years as a Paramedic, I only had one patient who survived a hit from a 12 gauge shotgun. All the others expired ( died ) either before we arrived, or in the ambulance, or later at the hospital.
@@cryhavoc9748 would never limit myself when i can fully load a mag tube.
@@41odyssey *I agree. Since there is no second place winner ( in a gunfight) I want every advantage possible. My home 870 is 7+1.
41odyssey yes 2+1 Hunting only in Canada
@@xhillak135 channel is canadian so yes, outside of hunting theres no limit on pumps.
I just my 590 Exactly what I needed thanks bro. The hand grip might be thicker. But what's most important getting it into the shoulder quickly efficiently.
That's the reason i went with a shorter stock. I'm about the same height as you and it makes the gun so much better to shoulder.
Awesome! I already clicked "buy" on one, and now here I am after the fact looking at reviews. I think it's going to be JUST what I need. I'm like 5'7" and the LOP on that stock stock is just way too long for me. Should be just about right. Thanks!
Nice informative video! I just ordered a Hogue 12" LOP stock for my Mossberg 590. Really looking forward to swapping out mine, as well.
I know this is an older vid but as a newer subscriber I'm surfing thru your various playlists doing a little binging. I did want to point out one thing for those in a similar situation to yourself where a shorter length of pull is needed. If you're looking to by a new gun and not upgrade an existing, look for one of the youth models. Both Mossberg and Remington have offerings. They aren't just great for younger shooters, they're great for those of smaller stature be it a lady or a guy. They typically come with shorter stock and sometimes have option for a slightly shorter barrel which can also be a big bonus for a tactical gun as well. Also people shouldn't snub their nose at those youth models in 20ga either as it can be more manageable for youth and smaller stature people and not giving up much lethality. In a defensive situation 00 buck or slug out of a 20 is a devastating round. Now if it's a dual purpose, being hunting and defense possibly you give up some range on the outdoor but a 20 is still a fine gauge. It's not all about machismo, if a person can fire and reacquire faster and more comfortably with a 20 then go with a 20.
I had one of these. It was more maneuverable. But you had to pick your nose to get a proper cheek weld and it was overall more uncomfortable.
I love to see any firearm enthusiast, but I feel for you guys up north. You have a great shotgun and you can't even fill it up with the amount of shells it was made to handle. You gentlemen have to get a revolution going up there and get all your countrymen together and write yourselves up a new constitution that allows you more adequate firearm rights for all the U.K. If enough people demand it, it will happen. Peace brother!
Canadian here also. The shell restriction is only if you’re hunting migratory game birds. Otherwise you can take the wooden dowling out.
Nice Mossberg there...I chose the Hogue 12" LOP stock as well and it alleviated the same issues you spoke of..great stock!
I love mine!
What size boot did you end up using? My stock bolt is a tad bit long
Great video! You explained how to switch them out and that is what I was looking for!!
hey buddy. the shell restriction is only if you go hunting. since its not a semi auto there is no limit in the tube if you are not hunting
I use this stock cause pistol grips limit use of a shotgun! this 12" is a great compromise!
You only have to plug the magazine for hunting regs. If your not hunting you can fill 'er up at least here in Ontario
Knoxx recoil systems stock. Takes a HUGE bite out of the recoil.
Port the barrel to again reduce muzzle blast and recoil.
Great vid. I have same stock on my mossberg 500 and it makes such a difference. Turns into a truck gun also.
I love mine!
did the original bolt work with the new stock?
Nobody shows the inside of these stocks. I would like to see the thickness to plan for future upgrades.
10:12 when actual installation starts for anyone who's just looking for that 🤣
Excellent tutorial
Thank you so much you answered all my questions definitely gonna order me one today
Thank you for the review, and seeing the "nuts and bolts" of the stock change (oh, groan, bad pun). I too find the original stock to be too long of a pull (14.5" according to the Mossberg web site). This stock has made it to my short list, for consideration.
I found that the problem @12:00 sill happened after installing the sorter stock (I am quite short). For any other shorter gentlemen, adding some electrical tape to the padding on the back of the stock will keep the stock from snagging on your clothing. add just enough to cover the cushion.
Hope this helps someone else.
I'm 6'2" my wife is 5'4" ...the "stock" stock was too long for her, so I switched to this... And its way too short for me!
That was a couple years ago, and I totally forgot how to get the Hogue on and off!
Thank you!! I’m ditching my ar style stock for the this one.
I modded my Mossberg Maverick 88 18.5inch and popped the 12lop stock.
, the slide action tube and the over molded forend on mine. Still cheaper than a stock 500. I got maverick $189 at academy sports new obviously.
awesome! that maverick at $189 is a SICK deal.
Nice. Not my cup of tea but I can appreciate it none the less. I got a maverick all the same which is my "go to" 12 gauge when I'm not carrying a cooey.
Hey Kyle, Years ago I purchased a pistol grip collapsable stock from ATI for my 835 But decided not to use it. I built another M-4 carbine and used the butt piece. it will fit the 500/835 & I believe the 900 series models. help me with the shipping and it's yours if you want it. I'm not familiar with Canada law it's a pistol grip stock. complete with hardware. Keep up the videos man !!!!!! If your not interested mabe a viewer might be. A standard 6 position but stock is all that's needed to complete the build.
Hey Roger, I would love to take a look at it for sure! If you are sure you are interested, you can email me at weiderfan.business@gmail.com
Kyle Noseworthy - Weiderfan
Hey Kyle I goofed and miss placed your address !!!! sorry for the delay bud had a real busy end of the week. if you could please email me@
rogerrabbibt@ yahoo.com
watch the spelling man !! I'll get it out ASAP my friend. !!!!
Does a screw come with the new stock, or do you have to order that separately ?
I didn't order anything separately. The stock bolt fits the new hogue!
Kyle Noseworthy Thanks Kyle.
Just a quick note. That particular stock is known as
A (YOUTH STOCK) Any MFG will know what you are talking about. again great video !!!!!!!
I know you're living in a restricting place, but we need more episodes!
Hi Kyle, I just won an 18.5" Mossberg 590A1 on Gun Broker last week, and I'm wondering what socket and length you used to put the new Hogue stock on. I was under the impression that it was a flat-head screw? That might be the case on the 590's rather than the 500 though. I'm a short-statured guy with short arms, so I need a shorter LOP. It's either this or the Magpul stock, but I like the traditional look of this stock over the Magpul one. Thanks!
Where did you buy the Hogue stock? Sold out everywhere this side of the border...
I like it... if you feel it's to short, the magpul will make it just right. But great improvement 🤘
Nice video.
How tall are you? Did you find that taking off 3 inches was too much?
They don't make a stock for the Winchester SXP so I just cut it down. When I say "just", I had to also modify the slip-on Limbsaver pad to fit it to the reduced size stock and make it work with the sling connection way back. Then I had to work with the stock shell holder I use. All in all it really wasn't bad or took a lot of time. I'm also 5' 6" and it feels more natural to me now. I can now put the butt to the right of my chest rather than into the shoulder blade area which keeps the shotgun more "centered" for tactical use as one keeps their torso more squared to the target as opposed to more angled for hunting.
What is the size of that bolt? I have a pistol grip moss berg and need that bolt
Good mod, dandy gun. Great vid.
I plan on replacing the stock and foregrip on a 20ga remington 870 I'm trading my buddy for with some hogue ones.
I switched out to the hogue stock and now can't aim for sh*t. I have to aim really low to hit my target. Didn't have this problem with the stock LOP.
What brand of heat shield do you have on the gun??
NFLD may be different than the rest of Canada but 3 total in a shotgun only applies to migratory birds. Anything else you're good to go.
Yes, and just try explaining THAT to a Wildlife officer!
Reg Sparkes I have. I carry my copy of the regulations with me when I go and either highlight or use post it's as book marks to show the DNR officers their rules that I am abiding. Most of my experiences with DNR are positive.
Reg Sparkes the only time I ever had to unload my shotgun for an officer I was obviously duck hunting and he wanted to make sure it wasn't lead shot.
Good then Doug, you've done the smart thing here.
I had a rifle which was, according to RCMP regulation`s declared as non-restricted, but after having it measured by a `professional' it was proved to be LESS THAN 18.5 inches.
I kept a copy of the RCMP certification for this make/model with me, just in case too.
Reg Sparkes it is sad that guys who operate within the laws have to go to lengths to prove they are law abiding. I try to be polite with DNR officers but I also go by the regulations (Federal and Provoncial).
went with lop stock. Im barrel chested/big shoulders and its even worse with armor
As wide as u are tall, got it, me too. Put the limbsaver recoil pad in small over top of the hogue leaving the recoil pad on an it will give u just shy of 13 inch lop. Works out perfectly 🍻
Great video, but why didn’t you just buy an adjustable stock?
explained in the video I believe.
Can you tell me the overall length?
How is the recoil now with the shorter stock?? Great video!
Recoil with the Hoghe stock is very severe, as the recoil pad is more towards the harder side.
You will feel more shoulder pain for sure over stock
@@videogazer801ld but quite the opposite, hogue recoil pads are insanely good
What is the part number for that stock?
Great video and explanation.
Looking for one in wood.
Sweet set up man.. 🤙
Good video.
I’m really trying to track your accent??? Irish ☘️ and Canadian 🍁?
Nice
Is this compatible with the maverick 88 model??? Thanks in advance
Not sure!
Ok thanks
r A yeah thanks brother I checked as well
Factory LOP is usually 14".
With such low round limit may as well have a brake action shotgun
Disagreed! 3 shells is much nicer than a single or 2 :-)
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you could get that triple threat 3 barrel shotgun
why even have a pump with such low capacity? just get a double barrel, isnt it time for canucks to rebel against the queen?
shhhh! They're listening
Dicks....
Houge web site does not mention LOP on their standard stock, which I found out to be 14 inches LOP.
Houge short stock is as we know runs 12" LOP
Since I have a Magpul front end that is 2" shorter then the original, I need a 13" LOP to reach it and hold it comfortably.
I'm shit out of luck unless I got for a $100+ Magpul that has adjustable pads.
Why Houge? Why? I'm not a giant nor a midget, I'm just a normal average size dude! :(
why not get something like a 6-position adjustable? I have one from ATI
@@kyle_noseworthy I specifically do not want pistol grip, and I'll never go ATI again. It's total junk. The best part about ATI stocks are the giant pretty boxes they come in, but what's inside are turds.
I had one gifted to me. 6-position adjustable with the pistol grip. Quality seemed great, but the ergonomics were terrible. I removed it right away, without even firing a single shot.
@@kyle_noseworthy I still have a six position folding one for a rifle, it's a silly pile of rattly plastic crap. Ergonomics are indeed terrible, reach angle to the trigger hook is so off it's comical.
@@kyle_noseworthy P.S. Great video btw, thank you for that, it's well done. Good lighting, sound is clean, you did multiple angle/POV setups and showed the 12 LOP Houge side by side which helped me to pass on it. It's way too short for me. I'm still thinking what to do with my 14" LOP, since it is too long even with a shirt on, throw a jacket on and I'll barely reach the front end.
Great job man, it is much appreciated!
I have a Hogue 12" lop stock and forend for sale, didnt care for it
Sorry sir, The first half of your video was way too long. Skip to 7 minutes in to get to the actual install
You have to keep the plug in for defensive use?! Geez that sucks. It’s important to give people who would do you harm a sporting chance. I’m not trying to be flippant but I really hope you are never in a situation where the presence of that plug makes a difference.
Agreed man.. It's why I have been practicing reloading, and will practice loading from a side saddle. If I empty it, I can lower it, load a shell, and get back on target in around 1 second now, which is pretty good. I'll get it below.
I've got an older (much older) Mossberg 500 that I would like to upgrade. I'm sort of wanting to make a trench gun out of it. Great video! When is part 2 coming out or is it already up?
No, you don't. That's for hunting regulations.
Warning 10:07 this scene is not for the dirty minded.
Do as your told , only three, boys and girls , because we said so
Bro I live in California I usto think California sucked Canada wow bro 3 shots only holy cow that super sucks
3 for hunting, 5 for semi's and unlimited for pumps not used for hunting.
OP is wrong. It's unlimited capacity in Canada for pump shotguns unless hunting.
The hell is your accent!?
Newfoundland, Canada! Whole bunch of stuff going on... haha
Thank you for the assistance.
BUT all I needed was to see how to find the holes at the rear of the new stock.
That took you almost NINE minutes.
Thank you for the waste of time !!
Hey Kyle, Have you received any of my emails ???? I'm sure I got 3 of them out to you. ????????
Drop me a line if ya would ???? Roger.
Hmm. I'm not sure I have? What have the emails been concerning? whats your email?
Hey Roger, just checked my email to see. I have been getting them, and I have been responding! haha
Where in the world is it you can't do 5+1?
To shorten it you need a need a 20 in flat head screw driver
Its literally a 40 yr old shot gun. My pops had one. Eventually ill get one next one. at da new farm!
I know you're living in a restricting place, but we need more episodes!
More gun stuff?
@@kyle_noseworthy mossberg. Cant really be a series with only 2 episodes