The Greatest Technique You Never Heard Of
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
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All potential errors in this video are on purpose, no need to point them out........
I'm not concerned with errors. I'm so proud of your ability to capture attention just to push the point of this subject that I have to concede that this is better than the most practical video that core-A put out.
I don't say this lightly, but I need for you to keep pushing out this kind of insightful thought into your content. I know it's time consuming and difficult, but I have trouble finding many others willing or able to continue on this path to applying more dimensionality and consideration for critique of all avenues of the various aspects of not just fighting games, but the social dynamics of how the players, developers and community impact one another.
Please keep up this good effort. This level of insight is greatly lacking in the current day and there ought to be far more examinations like it to better improve the genre and community on the whole.
Thank you for the content!
That's a scary amount of praise, but I'll take it!!
@@HQRubbish don't be afraid. You worked hard for the respect.
If you have a discord server, I'd be happy to join and further support your work as best I can.
@@HQRubbish hes right, your analysis is unmatched. please continue
Was repeating two of the same quotes on purpose? I assume so but just want to be sure. Great video btw. This has been my problem with the FGC for as little time I’ve been apart of it.
You had me sold at the fake hidden Q skill. I really believed it
As an Oro main, my jaw was dropped the whole time.
With how funky 3S can be still believe it lmfao, genuinely had me fooled
I WANTED to believe it
We've been tricked, we've been backstabbed and we've been quite possibly, bamboozled!
Everyone knows that the greatest tech in fighting games it to lie about frame data to make your opponent try an unsafe punish that doesn't work, obviously!
As much as that is true, it is one I have already heard about!
oh dont respect that its uhhhh minus 4 (is plus on block)
What's this a reference to?
@@Bloodlyshiva its a reference to lying and devious behavior
@@Bloodlyshiva schemes. trickery. yknow
damn I really called that drastic my head is beyond empty lmao
Just finished the video though and this was really interesting and insightful, it does make me think about what I do and I need to hear it tbh
Thinking is maximally cool.
Yoooooo we all found each other LMAO
Somehow I knew you'd be here in this comment section
So _this_ is why you're not too proud of your older content (among other reasons)
I cannae blame ya. But I'm glad you've honed and refined your content, and by that I mean made your content more messy, but like, in a hair way that makes it more attractive
I know this video is about fighting games, but this analysis applies to the way people consume information as a whole.
We live in an age where nobody has the time to fact-check every piece of information that they see, but lots of the information they see is either poorly researched or deliberately misleading.
Yes, as always these trends are rarely isolated to any one part of the human interaction.
Indeed
Look up selection for societal sanity. It's a cutscene from metal gear solid 2 that predicts this.
"In an age of hot takes and first impression opinions being more visible than ever, it's sometimes difficult to discern the views that come from experience, and the views that don't."
-tf2 youtuber uncle dane on the funny sentry man's funny "panic attack" gun
"character specific, situation specific, stage specific" *cries in T7 dragunov*
Not sure if stage specific or not but ST Dictator has character specific AND corner specific tech, Nelson was a master of these.
As a dragonuv player you sir have me confused
@@Kinglizard220 floor break
@@wrenromero6392 yeah that makes sense lol
That last part with all the quotes of players who got trash talked really resonated with me. Been playing Elphelt in xrd for years and you wouldn't believe the amount of people who had the audacity to sit down and just start talking shit about ur character right next to you even at tournaments lmfao. I've had the pleasure of seeing stuff like that more on twitter lately cuz of the rollback announcement
I feel for you, hope you at least have the comfort of some cool people to play with. 🙏
@@HQRubbish it's not all bad, made a lot of lifelong friends and hell, I even run a local every month now for Xrd in NY. Just wanted to say the video you made was fantastic and thought-provoking. You got my ass good with the Kenta cancel
This actually got really disheartening to see at the points where people's excerpts about characters came through.
Yeah it aint pretty, that's for sure.
Ah yes, gaslighting, my favorite technique
I know this was made a year-ish ago, but it popped up as a video and I thought is was well made. I agree on the thought of don't take everything as fact, as well as not bullying people for liking characters. As someone who likes playing characters like Arakune in Blazblue or even outside of Fighting games like enjoying KH or Sonic, it is rough when you enjoy something only to have what feels like everyone bullying you for liking it.
So many times I've seen the "community consensus" on a character shift completely without any new development. Modern tier lists are also entirely dependent on who is strong in the local scene - I am constantly reminded that Japan placed Zangief and Abigail higher than the rest of the world for most of SF5's lifetime likely because Itazan was eating them all alive.
It's not that there's no one you can trust, but the things that feel set in stone are often based on sand. The only true way to move forward is to go beyond content creators and make your own decisions on what's good/bad/gimmicky. But that's a bridge too far for a lot of people...
We see this in ~single-player~ RPG circles with character classes and party composition. Legitimately peculiar. Consensus has shifted for games that haven't been supported for over a decade.
@@coriandercastor9453 Perception drives reality, because most people don't have the time to do all the analysis for themselves. The best you can do is present all your data, make your argument, and fight it out. It's truly amazing how much can change entirely from perception.
@@RabbitEarsCh Yeah, especially in games where a single run can be a hundred hours up with hundreds of builds to form a six-man party. That's why I don't like end-users who assert that something they've never used is hot garbage. Of course, the usual "best" way to play is to use characters that gel with one's preferred play style.
you think i'm actually going to play a fighting game? i'd rather die
Its kinda impressive how some characters+its players are so hated while other similar characters aren't.
As a Lei player I rarely get hatemails, its one or two being obviously annoyed, but the majority tell me they have actual fun playing against me and that they don't mind Lei players, even offline.
And I ignorantly assumed Ling (and Puff and other evasive "joke" characters) had the same experience after all, but seeing how much hate they get is saddening
I don't think the hate really spawns much from peoples actual interactions with the characters, rather I think most people just parrot stuff they hear. So if Lei isn't as represented in any larger "problematic" narrative, I guess he "gets away with it" for lack of a better wording.
@@HQRubbish in the new age twitter meta of fighting games its very easy to spend more time consuming and discussing fighting game content rather than playing so what ever preconceptions people have about a particular thing end up being exacerbated. I saw this happen with Dragonball fighterz were the amount of content revolving around snapback loops and fuzzies in season 2 would have you thinking it was a common Thing every player did but in reality it was just the pro players and like 1% of players who were actually doing it so the vast vast majority of the player base probably didn't even experience it in game but saw it more times online
Like Akuma in T7 is satiscally the lowest picked character yet is one of the most complained about characters in the game lol
Cool video! Interesting approach to how you got your point across, and I think you are definitely touching on something here. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the kind words!
House Hexagon's "WoW's Forgotten Secret" video prepared me for the beginning of your video, but its crazy how easily a well spoken person with a well edited video can tell us anything they want and we'll believe it.
Grapplers are also in same kinda boat, most people hate them for some reason
I got Kenta canceled by this video.
As a general grappler main (Potemkin in Strive, Bowser in SSBU, etc), I find it funny how many people will call you a scrub/noob/sweat after you beat them. Like it can be a 2000 lvl Ramlethal, but you're sweaty because they mash on wakeup.
I think the general toxicity and saltiness people feel has a higher effect than potential misinformation when it comes to FGC bullying and mistreatment. The misinformation might give some undue validation to the haters, but people would have been toxic even without it.
I think a lot of it comes from people hating on things that don't have simple, universal solutions. My BNB doesn't work on floaties? Why should I have to learn a new BNB for 10% of the characters? This character with no air or ground dash can destroy me if he gets in? Why can't my much more mobile character do the same amount of damage?
You said it well: people hate what they don't understand. Many people don't understand why they're losing, don't understand a lesser-represented character, or simply don't understand why people play characters other than their own.
Idk this was just flow of consciousness cause it's 5am, I should sleep lol.
Stories like this always remind me of that Justin Wong clip where he's playing against a ten year old on voice chat and the kid accuses him of cheating because Justin keeps zoning him with projectiles. And Justin is like "welcome to the real world, son!"
It comes down to who is having the mindset of "How do I get past this move?" versus "Immediately blaming my tools when I lose". Which FGC players do way more often than you would think. It's like people only try to improve their gameplay on the character select screen and not how to play in an actual match.
I know this video is old, but that Cr.HP can't be "meaty" because it only has a single active frame.
Jesus, I didn’t know that
I really, really hate you for making me believe that that was a thing for a second. That was about the coolest niche obscure piece of 3s information I've ever heard. I want it to be true. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Let the pain be a reminder to TRUST NOONE!
I don't know what's more impressive- that you lied to me twice, or that I fell for it both times. The second time around I genuinely said "DAMMIT" out loud.
insane how high quality your videos are. i am so impressed
I know I’m a year late and it’s weird to bring up but this reminds me of a video talking about Potemkin in Xrd and how he was bad, talking about his moves like trishula and ICBM. But having a training partner who mains the character I was very adamant to point out character things that were missing (there was quite a bit). The video was taking down and doesn’t exist anymore. I don’t remember who even made it
XRD hot pot is garbage tho let's be honest
I have felt a lot of this recently playing Nagoriyuki in Guilty Gear Strive. I have been playing the character since launch and got p good at labbing out sequences for the character. People used to think I was cool for playing him, but recently so much of the discussion has turned into "my character being braindead" and "I'm being carried by him" invalidating the months and months of progress I made researching and practicing. Largely because Hotashi is an asshole, and Kizzy Kay/Jiyuna complains about everything.
Lmao. Nago is last char I can call "BRAIN DEAD".
Really, there can be no brain dead chars in fightings, can be only brain dead players.
As another Nago main I can feel that sometimes. Like, I sometimes feel like I should play my second (Testament) more to make people feel better, which is dumb, I play Nago because I like him. I am wondering, what has Hotashi done to be an asshole? I haven't really like, looked into him much. He seems kind of abrasive but I haven't seen anything directly like, antagonistic from him. Something I'm missing?
this is a well-constructed video, and i definitely agree with the broad point that misinformation is the responsibility of both those spreading it and those accepting it. however, i take issue with the segment near the end using statements from players to demonstrate how misinformation can be harmful to the attitude the general playerbase of a game has towards a character-- while it certainly is unpleasant to be on the recieving end of this kind of behavior, i think that at best, this fact is irrelevant to the rest of the video, and at worst, misleading in terms of its purpose.
nearly every excerpt in this section seems to be given in response to a prompt along the lines of, "how do other players treat you as a result of your character choice", which is a question which, to me, seems completely disconnected from the rest of the video if taken at face value. misinformation happens to all characters in any given game, and even if it is not evenly distributed, the evidence you've provided (on Q and twleve) would seem to suggest that it happens disproportionately to low tiers. however, among those who claim to face discrimination on the basis of character choice, many of them claim to play characters which are considered strong, while none claim to play characters which are considered weak. additionally, the concept of misinformation being relevant at all to this discrimination is never mentioned, even indirectly, by any of the anonymous interviewees; nearly every complaint seems to be made purely on the claim that people believe their character to be strong or cheap, without ever noting any false information involved in that claim, nor making any attempt to falsify it. this is why i would say that this section seems irrelevant to the rest of the video.
While I can see a person finding the video lacking a certain amount of "evidence" for lack of a better word. The idea presented and the material chosen was made to illustrate the fact that misinformation comes in many shapes and forms, but all of it can and will in the end help shape a view of the world in some way.
People getting the wrong idea bout Qs dash speed might perhaps not in the end impact anyone in any real way shape or form. But like with the aforementioned Ling Xiaoyu and Art of Phoenix stuff, the type of misinformation will necessarily (I believe) lead to these sorts of questions.
Now perhaps you can criticize me for trying to make that point without providing examples of people talking about Ling Xiaoyu or w/e. I think that's fair, but it is also an almost omni-present opinion.
In the end I very much doubt character hate is singularly influenced by misinformation. There are a multitude of factors to consider, how a character feels to play against, even when the "correct" counter strategies are applied for example. But I still think it is a very naive thought to believe that misinformation plays no role in this.
Anyway, thanks for watching.
I just found your channel, your videos are incredible! I have to binge all of these
I don't know if willful deception at the start of the video was the right call to make in a video complaining about people getting facts wrong. It's one thing to be wrong that Zangief's headbutt loses to projectiles or that Hugo's dash being way better than Q's, and another thing to fabricate a fake player; with a fake backstory and legacy; inventing fake tech; using footage from a fake version of the game just to prove a point. I think a better version of this video would simply be to discuss how easy it is to get facts wrong in fighting games, since there are a lot of numbers and variables that go into any match, and to remind people that sweeping generalizing statements leave behind a lot of nuance at best and at worst can encourage people to make wrong statements that feel correct because "character/move/thing = bad/bullshit". Because fighting games are really complicated things and just because a move is bad in one regard, doesn't mean it could have far stronger utility in a different regard. As it is this video feels really passive aggressive about ancillary things being incorrect (and also kind of mad about Big Yellow's work ethic, when I feel the main draw and appeal of their videos are that they pretty casually talk about things that interest them, vs the more produced and heavily edited style many popular youtube videos have now) and running with the conclusion that the youtubers in question can't be trusted about the main thing they're trying to discuss.
I got baited by the title, got confused with Kenta being a Q player since he's a well known Ken player, almost closed the video, but the presentation was really great and lesson learned ~
Third strike has some really weird shit, like Q standing and crouching animation being unthrowable for a few frames, so that was a good choice to bait lol
Always keep the game booted to test these "miracle" discord/twitter techs, it might save you a big time.
The seven way mixup of misinformation can wear down the strongest defense.
I love 3s gameplay and lore and when you said this was fake my fucking jaw dropped. Subbed!!!
What a good fucking video. I hope this slows down the spewing of "information" a little bit and can give us a more concise database of FG educational videos
no
@@HQRubbish that was the answer i expected unfortunately lol
Thats the most serious prank i ever seen
ahhhh this is my new favorite fighting game video, thank you for addressing this
😎
This is also why I despise the nature of tier lists and the idea of the "meta" - those concepts are only valid because you believe them. The "meta" always ends up getting "shaken up" by somebody using a tech in a way nobody was thinking of before because of spreadsheet brain.
I feel like, at least on Twitter, I see more people calling that kind of bullshit out recently. Saw a Chipp player die to a Nago on Round Start and the comments were like "yea, we know the character is overtuned but we are so far into this game's lifespan, you play a low health character and Nago has literally all the resources he could ever want to do a long combo, and you got CH on round start, what do you expect."
Me, a Q player for over a decade and having learned presumably all of his tech: AINT NO FUCKING WAY
I keep coming back to this video months later and it only becomes more true as discourse rolls on. A masterpiece, honestly.
Considering that it's more likely for someone to double down on mistakes (on the internet) than admit to them, maybe we should "celebrate" retractions until they're the norm. Granted I think if they made another video talking about said mistakes it would be better than a pinned comment or updated description. Only example I can think of is one MockRock (Smash RUclipsr) made two years ago.
I think you are correct in that I came off a bit too harshly on the idea of retractions. But I suppose it felt necessary to not give them too much credence, seeing as they generally do little quite poorly in terms of correcting illegitimate claims.
But of course, retractions are way better than no retractions.
Yeah problem is that very few people will bother to read that comment. They'll likely just watch the video and even if they scroll to the comments, they may not even bother to read the correction.
as a Q main, i was like WHAT IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'M LEARNING ABOUT THIS
So idk why this year old video is suddenly popping off and getting recommended, but either way I've got some thoughts on this that I'd prefer to get out of my system.
Now, first of all, I really like your content (Maybe make yourself a bit louder on the mixing track tho? It's kinda hard to hear you in your videos) but I feel like this video is... it makes me feel conflicted. On one hand, I do agree with your points (I think??) about misinformation, how it should be avoided and how people should be more critical of what they consume. The final 2 minutes of this video were very compelling. But on the other hand, the rest of the points you make feel very fucking moot. I'm gonna refrain from defending Leon and Yeller too much since I don't think the points you made had much to do with them at all, but even pushing aside the long section of what I consider to be pretty undeserved criticism, a lot of the examples you showed of the negative effects of this misinformation just have nothing to do with misinformation at all. The FGC has a problem with toxicity but that's not because certain characters are 'misunderstood' or under-represented, it's just kind of a bigger, human problem in general.
People hate Xiaoyu not because they don't understand how the character works but just because she's not fun to fight against. Take Akuma in T7 for example, I feel that Akuma is a pretty well understood character in T7, yeah some people like TMM will exxagerate how good the character is but no one can deny that Akuma is just... overtuned to say the least. Now, does that justify people disrespecting Akuma players and pushing them away from the game? No, of course not, 'Hate the character, not the player' has always been my moto for these kinds of situations. And yeah you can argue that there's a degree of misinformation that gets spread around that helps propogate these bad reputations, but yet, if that layer of misinformation was magically completely removed from existence, people would still dislike the characters in question just as much. A lot of the characters I play in T7 get a lot of hate and/or are very misunderstood, I main Lili currently, have a strong secondary Hwoarang, used to main Lee Chaolan, and I noticed that when I switched from a 'Good Rep' character (Lee) to one with a bad reputation, people started disrespecting me a lot more, plugging on my matches or one-and-doneing me a lot more, etc. And of course, all of that has nothing to do with the way that I play, my Lili is clean as fuck, I win with nothing but fundamentals, using her fantastic pokes, punishment and movement to my advantage, I still get hate simply because people can't take a fucking loss, and they'll take any excuse they can get to push the blame away from themselves. It's true that these preconceived narratives of 'bullshit characters' empower people to be more toxic, but I'd still argue the hate would still be there, and it would still be strong just as it is now, even if these narratives weren't there. And besides, that 'preconceived narrative' has almost nothing to do with misinformation. Using Lili as an example, people have pretty good reasons to hate this character and call her 'bullshit', she has a lot of dirt and a lot of, frankly, bullshit, heart wrenching moves and attributes, and I can say this with quite a lot of confidence considering I'm the one who's playing her. And again, this doesn't justify the way that people act at all, but again again, it's not a 'misinformation' problem, it's a 'people are assholes' problem.
Now, putting that aside, I also don't think you illustrated your points very well either. Perhaps I'm misreading this video, but I feel like your point was less 'content creators shouldn't spread misinformation, even if they were honest mistakes that were later corrected' and more like 'people should be more critical of what they're told, and not buy into preconceived narratives that are formed around characters, and SPECIALLY not treat other players badly just because of the character they play'. But if that was, indeed, the point that you were trying to make, you kinda did a piss poor job at establishing it. Like take the Bryan/Xiaoyu Tweet you showed that had 4 likes for example. It had 4 likes, my dude, you really expect to agree with you that this Tweet with 4 likes is really affecting the life of Xiaoyu players and making them be disrespected? Half of this video was dedicated to creating a fake narrative about some made up Q tech, the other half was dedicated to what felt like a really petty argument about popular RUclipsrs being 'lazy' because they had one or two tiny mistakes in their videos, and how this laziness is harmful because??????. And one of said mistakes, one that you bought a lot of attention to, was covering an old version of SFV that no one plays anymore, need I remind you. It was a mistake, yes, but it's a mistake that has 0 fucking consequences,. No Gief main is going to get hate because S1 Gief could headbutt fireballs, no tournament Gief player is going to lose a match because they didn't know S1 Gief could headbutt fireballs. It was a tiny, insignificant mistake that you blew out of proportions and that you really shouldn't have covered for as long as you did, it takes the focus away from what (I assume) the point of your video ACTUALLY was and just makes it all seem really petty. It's also worth noting that people come to these videos looking for entertainment, and not critical information on characters, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that 90% of the people who watch Big Yellow don't actually play fighting games, or at least don't play SFV (I'm part of that 90%), which makes the fact that he got a single tiny bit of information about an old, now unplayable version of SFV wrong even more insignificant.
Now what you SHOULD'VE done, in my opinon, is cover more of those first hand accounts of players having bad experiences all because they're playing a character with a bad rep, because that's the shit that actually made me turn around on this video. The last 2 minutes of this video conveyed (What I assume to have been) your point 10x better than the 20 other minutes before it. Show us actual cases of misinformation and bad representation having negative effects on people's experiences, rather than highlighting tiny mistakes and 'laziness' in popular videos that make 0 difference in the lives of anyone who watched them.
tl;dr: If you're trying to make the point that misinformation causes people to be toxic, and that's why it should be stopped, you did a pretty bad job at that, because none of the examples of misinformation that you showed were convincingly harmful to the characters or players that were covered. Furthermore, I think the whole idea of 'people hate what they don't understand, so if we help people understand better, they wouldn't hate as much' that this video seems to operate under is simply incorrect. People are still going to look for excuses for their loses regardless of how well they understand why and how they lost.
If you've read all of this, thank you for reading, sorry for ranting
You wrote this amazingly! It really did feel like there was a disconnect between the moral of the video and the evidence being shown.
The thought that misinformation is the reason behind character hate is inaccurate too, because it implies that fighting games are inherently perfectly balanced (which we all know is definitely not the case) and that the hate some characters get for being “bs” or “unfair” is always unprecedented, and wouldn’t be such an issue for the community if misinformation were less prevalent.
It’s true that the FGC has an issue with toxicity, but misinformation (or with a couple cases, simply just opinions) about character balance is not the root cause for it.
Good rant, it feels fair to read from this perspective!
This video applies to essays/ video analysis as a whole. Never accept something as fact without sufficient proof. You just got a new sub!
he had us in the first fifth
To be perfectly honest, the cognitive dissonance I'm experiencing at really enjoying this video while it levies serious criticisms at many creators and videos I adore is... very uncomfortable. I think the only thing I would challenge is the implicit idea that some of these creators are being 'lazy' or 'irresponsible' - a lot of misinformation doesn't start with them, they became misinformed from somewhere (whether that's a friend whose opinion they trusted, a community member, another creator, or misremembering their own experiences) and mistakes/oversight-errors happen. I agree with the point that misinformation is harmful and perpetuates toxicity (as a frequent 'hated character' player in many games, I've had my fair share of anxiety at the thought that 'the thing that makes me have fun is causing pain for others, and then they also want to direct that pain back at me').
And I also agree that, especially when providing specific information, claims need to be researched. But this is a Hanlon's Razor situation - anyone can make mistakes, and sometimes the consequences for those mistakes are way out of proportion with the error (especially when a lot of these errors are misremembering a number or accidentally missing the fact that something they've written down is incorrect). The responsibility lies JUST as much on the viewer to not act hastily on information they haven't themselves fact-checked as it does on the creator to do as much fact-checking of their own as they can. The problem, in my opinion, is taking someone else's claim (a video, a false fact, anything) and then turning that into an internalized justification to direct contempt and harm at another human being. No matter how egregious some OP character's frame data is, it's no justification for trying to make someone else feel bad about themselves, and the idea that many people try to obfuscate that fact by externalizing their 'justification' out to someone else's opinion from a video or such (but with the same intent - to somehow convert factual information into justification for spite) is to me the real issue. Misinformation is definitely a problem - but the bigger issue is that people try to use those same videos (misinformation or not!) to lend legitimacy to their desire to make others suffer. The deeper problem, I feel, is that one way or another the community has a big problem with rationalizing emotional abuse as being somehow 'justified' by some quality inherent in a video game, like frame data or balance.
I agree that the responsibility of people acting like insufferable shitheads to people isn't on someone making "innocent" misinformed content. But I think the angle of "people should stop being mean" is somewhat self-explanatory and doesn't really promote any meaningful thought from a viewer.
Which is why I focused on something most people wouldn't consider having any issue at all. Also I use "Lazy" in this case because I find it a somewhat crazy idea that people feel that they can be everything to every person. But maybe that's just the inner trepidation I feel welling up every time I consider making a statement speaking up.
@@HQRubbish That's a very good point - it is fair that ultimately, the hate and cruelty ALSO comes from a lack of critical thinking, and that critical thinking needs to be a standard that everyone is held to (including creators). Perhaps the vitriol is the symptom, not the problem.
Best fgc video in years
How very kind of you.
Came to see ancient fighting game techniques, stayed for the ‘tegridy
The most niche tech I've found personally, was literally just part of an assist combo in DBFZ, using a very specific assist with Cooler. Basically the tech is that during a combo, you can hit your 6H into a 3H (which is an uppercut). The tech only works if you're calling Android 16's B assist, which has two rounds of two hits (since he's hitting you with rocket fists).
Basically if you time the 3H in between the first hit and the second hit during spark, you can jump and hit your jumping M into a jumping H attack back into the 3rd and 4th hits from the assist. Since you've hit them into the assist, you can use your air 2H to keep the combo going. Which breaks the rules of the game, because for most characters (Videl can do this normally but she's a rule break-ey character), air Hs are normally supposed to end combos.
And of course, it's much easier to hit on big bodies.
What's nice about that tech is that if you miss the timing on the 3H, you can tell that you missed it by seeing which angle the opponent moves. And since jumping and doing your jump M attack will hit, it means you can just check to see if you got the timing down. If you didn't, then you have enough time to just do your jump medium into jump 2H, and it will keep the combo going but for less damage and meter gain.
Because it relies on the properties of Cooler's 3H popping the opponent up in a specific way (where it pops up but doesn't use up your Smash-Hit), IIRC the only other character with a command normal that functions like that is Adult Gohan (who might be able to do it as well).
I bring this up because I can't tell if it's useful or niche. On one hand, it requires a really specific team in order to even be relevant, and you also have to be in spark, which you only get once per round.
On the other hand, I've cooked up a TOD or two that requires it (or at least saves some bar by having it), and the factors that make it niche are things entirely left up to the player executing it. And Android 16's B assist is a damn good assist that has some really nice synergy with Mr. Cooler.
Bro turned hating in a 20 minute philosophical exploration of how misinformation spreads
omg. i trusted him and now he says don't do it. all this trickery.
Very good video, excellent opening points.
the editing is great.
please dont drag me in to an interesting topic, only to lie and then bait-and-switch me into a boring one
I will never change.
Yo, this guy tricked us and then proceeded to be one of the funniest fucking people I've ever seen make an FGC video.
this video slaps :)
You a real one. You probably already knew this, but now you double know it.
as an avid q main, im suprised you never mentioned the riguma cancel
So this is dragonovs day job...
Really appppppreciate this video. Thank you so much!
Thank you for making the video! People's biases regarding their likes & dislikes is toxic. And new players getting ostracized and character specialist veterans getting overlooked simply for their character choices is the worst part. I'm loving to see fighting games from your eyes. Keep it up!
Never thought Michael Jackson would fool me like that
Hee hee
Besides hating on Big Yellow 😠 loved this!
Awww man the section about hated/maligned characters really got to me. I've had MANY people either refuse to play me or even refuse to acknowledge the "you lose" screen in front of them because my go to archetype is...THE GRAPPLER.
Man tick throw set ups are cheap, you only win because armor, command grab beating regular throw is (homophobic slur), dude I know you're gonna grab me but I can't tech how is that fair, real neutral isn't abusing armor to steal turns. All quotes I heard from a salty loss because they got grabbed when they weren't ready
You dropped your claw
No joke, the best surpriee i got a while back was being demoliahed by a ken main in 3TS, as a Q main, and a not vert good one, i had fun, he is above my skill level but not too far, i can just barely grasp some wins
But after one set of matches they hit the chat and, not knowing Q from first person experience, told me to repeat that situation, and we tried to figure out how to get away from it, i had to go do something and when i got back, they literaly been labbing it out just to help me, instead of say "bad Q matchup, yea.... "
lookin like late career michael jackson
Half the pose, twice the nose
you put one of the quotes twice at the end
This video was Hella good 🎉
I just got baited and then lectured by a Michael Jackson look-alike
Mankind knew that they cannot beat obtuse moves, so instead of hitting the lab, they blamed the Ling players.
i once posted a laura replay from sf5 1.0 because i was proud of how far my understanding of the game had come, despite me losing that match. i got nearly 50% dislikes because people hated laura so much.
deleted it later and never posted another street fighter replay. i didn't even keep playing sf5, not just because of people hating the charcter i liked but it was a big factor.
As a Q main, I thank you for your service.
Wait a minute, this isn't a fighting game video. This is just a video on misinformation and journalism integrity!
Ironically by them creating a bunch of misinformation and having no integrity.
To the point you were making at the end with the interview quotes, I quit playing Tekken for that reason. I finally found a main in Leroy because he looks cool and I like his fighting style, but Leroy players kept getting shit on because he was so good. I won a very small local tournament and it was implied by people there that I only won because Leroy was broken.
Sounds a lot like the Tekken community :)
I'm surprised of seeing any comments directed to other FGs characters because the Internet at large loves pretending character slander only happens in Smash and nowhere else.
nice video man! i enjoyed it
cheers
This video should be more popular, it's the first time I see someone talking about low effort videos about fighting games and how little analytical people can be about this type of content, also reading those comments of players stepping out of communities is just so sad, as someone who plays characters that may be seen in a negative light in certain games I avoid joining communities for the same reason and just try have fun by myself and my small group of friends.
ngl that first part got me
daam u got me
Very much enjoyed the video! Me wanting to know about the story behind the ‘kenta cancel’ made me pause the video and go for the run I’d been delaying to start my day so I could find out when I got back looool
Edit: it seems like you went out of your way to talk down to Big Yellow and Leon Massey who are making great contributions to the FGC. It came off very high and mighty and condescending honestly. sometimes it’s not about getting everything ‘right’ as long as you acknowledge your mistakes. Love the effort you put into your videos, but ‘takes’ like this limit the growth of the FGC and it’s creators honestly.
How you feel about the criticism is of course entirely up to you. But I don't think anyone ought to be immune from critcism. I like both Leon and Big Yellow and I think both continue to grow as creators in terms of the quality of their output.
I also think highlighting creators who are well-liked and put out positive stuff is somewhat key to the thesis of the video.
A large part of the point is that it is hard to know what sort of effect small mistakes or how you choose to word something can have, especially as people with large platforms. Very slight benign mistakes can reinforce very odd notions and I don't think that point comes across remotely as well if one puts a spotlight on some clearly very problematic creators.
Anyhow, thanks for watching.
agree that this feels rudely presented. the points presented here don’t feel wrong… but just feels mean
Misinformation with a footnote you have to scroll to stating "maybe I was wrong about a few things" isn't really owning up to mistakes, it's an incredibly common tactic used for plausible deniability.
It's not "this guy made a full video describing what they said wrong and what is actually correct, and they linked it in the original video and made it clear that the original video is deprecated in response to this new video." Doing that would actually be admitting wrongs and making corrections. Instead, we get the footnote tactic where the original information is still out there, unedited, no asterisk, no "this is wrong, please watch this different thing instead." It's a tactic used for deception, a tactic used for politics and bureaucracy to save face in front of voters and investors, a tactic used for gaslighting and invalidating someone else's experiences and memories.
You can feel however you want, but please don't defend tactics commonly used by people to hold power over other people. Only people who are afraid of losing whatever power they have resort to this sort of plausible deniability tactic, because it shifts the blame to "well, this is my opinion, and opinions are infallible," as opposed to the reality of them stating it as fact and people taking it as fact.
People do scary things about "opinions," whole-hearted or not, that they take as fact. Is a FGC player going to commit acts of terrorism, probably not, but they may end up being toxic and spreading toxicity. And there are people who deliberately do spread misinformation because they thrive in toxicity. There are people who take their opinion, present it as a fact with arguments, and never respond to the obvious counterarguments, and because they never admit to being wrong more people side with their argument as clearly true because their argument is entirely positive, whereas counterarguments are inherently negative. God forbid the argument be made by a tournament player and the counterargument made by a theorycrafter, because obviously a tournament player must know what they're saying is true if they win tournaments, right? A theorycrafter who labs this stuff out, who studies the frame data, who studies individual player performances, can't possibly be more correct because they aren't the ones winning tournaments.
tl;dr don't trust people who won't fully admit to having made a mistake, because enough people already do that for you.
I played Ash in KoF XIII and basically experienced that hate shame. Also, I've been playing Fang since the Street Fighter V beta. It feels awful to legitimately love a character that everybody else dunks on for four seasons, only for everybody to suddenly say he's actually pretty good when he starts showing up in top 8s.
So the greatest technique was the friends we could make all along but ignored due to misguidance of individuals...
Never seen this channel and the video was randomly recommended to me. That said, why is Michael Jackson lying to me about street fighter 3?
I am gonna subscribe
I like interesting fgc mechanics videos
I also like your presentation
I trust you 100%
i will never visningar one of his videos ever again
I main Eliza and this hits far too well. A lot of misconceptions with her. I played this one set after not playing the game for two years with someone who's been very competitive (appearing in TWT) and playing consistently since I was gone.
His game knowledge is way better and I'm 1 day in to the latest Tekken 7 version, I had to force mixups and do hard reads to win a set. (lots of raw df2,4 and b+1,2 bad play good reads) And for some reason he'd accuse me of being a cheap player. It's all neutral man, he had mountains of character knowledge against me. When I played Anna didn't even exist, yet I'm fighting against his experienced Kunimitsu
Rubbish looks like a friendlier version of Dragonuv from Tekken
Rubbish is both hot and goals.
Thanks!
tekken have a good hub for information challenge (impossible)
doing the exact same thing theyre complaining about like why you gotta show a kara command grab bro
doing a little trolling
it sounds like i need to make some shit up about fighting games
me when i spread misinformation and clickbait only to make a completely different video than advertised
Everything alright with you man?
The amount of time you wasted to waste people’s time.
nice
Damn what an attractively presented piece of troll bait. This is the second fake news I’ve seen with Kuroda screen caps in it. The reason Q plays on the opponent stage is because the cabinet was not on event mode.
Guys hellllp I've been trying the Kenta Cancel for ten hours straight I'm crying and shittjng and planning evil crimes
Don't do whatever you have planned! Or, do it if it is super cool. Either way, make sure to not implicate me.
@@HQRubbish I will make sure to implicate you
You should try being more to the point with your presentation. I didn't mind the joke at the beginning, but you shouldn't spend as much time making a single point and repeating information. Also you should do less or shorter pauses (if something mentally is not letting you do this, then nevermind).
I shall not heed your advice.
@@HQRubbish if more than just one person complains about the speed of the video i think that would mean it would be a good idea to start talking faster in videos
The pauses are refreshing. It's nice not to have to listen to such dense technical information at a breakneck pace. Also, having pauses and vocal disfluencies can increase listener comprehension.
I was really hoping this was a video about a character specific
Stage specific
Situational piece of Q tech.
I feel cucked.
Instead its youtube drama. Which admittedly, i mean, you have some points. It was just a sad rug pull for me.
i got so baked b4 i started watching this tysm 4 the twist
Well done, very illustrative of how a myth can become "fact" so quickly. Hope to see this channel grow because we need more of this kind of content.
Thanks for the kind words! If you enjoy the stuff I put out, the easiest way to help is to spread the word and share it with people.
I'm sorry, but if someone puts their voice and face into a 10-30 min or more video about video games with great editing and solid visual/audio quality, I can't help but just accept everything they say 😭😭😭
Maybe you need to do a hard turn and stop accepting anything anyone says for a bit and see where that leads you.
@@MrBlueWaooWaoo yeah not everybody is gonna fact check everything they see, but imo just enough people need to call out misinformation to keep the "informers" honest about what they're putting out.
@@MrBlueWaooWaoo - I'm with you 100%. This whole thing just smacks of clout chasing, especially with the level of snark involved. Instead of seeing a FGC content creator and saying "Hey, that's awesome! Someone else that loves fighting games!", and if there's incorrect information, privately contacting the person and helping clear things up for them - instead, this guy puts out a 20-minute video essentially making fun of him.
In fact, I'm probably gonna go over to Big Yellow and drop the man a sub.
@@MrBlueWaooWaoo yeah in the grand scheme of things any information wether true or not would not affect anything to a very grand scale on the whole of the universe. But dont you think it would be better if the people doing obscure tech videos as entertainment would actually give good, cool and true obscure tech? the q example is very over the top and it is actually really high effort to fake it, but there is tech that is kinda obscure and specific in some games so it would be kinda bad if we could not trust these people to actually say truthful stuff. imagine you think you know some obscure tech that isnt that hard to do and you are with your friends and try to do it but it turns out its not true so now you dont know obscure tech and no one gets to see some cool trick. Take melee for example, we have this guy asumsauce who does insanely good obscure tech vids, imagine if instead they were fake, then whats the point? isnt the entertainment coming from the fact that these old games have some funky and bonkers stuff because they are old and didnt get any major patches to correct them and they werent play tested nearly as much as newer games so lots of weird and very specific stuff could just slip through? or you just want to see vids that talk about games?
@@rawkfistgaming I found the republican.
as a Q lover, I'm ashamed that I've never heard of kenta. Only knew kuroda
Currently I'm at 4:22
just wanted to say:
nice
@@Qeijinice
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What about a Kyanta cancel?