Shout better than anyone else works on another level when you look up the name of the band he used to be in lol. Coaches and videos of that nature held back my singing for years. Wasnt until I started bringing everything back a level and focusing on smaller sounds, with the key being resonance over projection, that i made actual progress.
After years of singing, I recently stumbled upon the ability so sing higher notes with out "pushing down" like you mentioned. This video really helped my to cement and perfect the idea of singing with less tension. Love the videos man, keep em' coming!
Finally, answers to what I have been trying to adjust my own singing after pushing down, open sound blah blah, all that stuff. I love my 80’s rock music. This video is game changer for me, as I now know what I was leaning towards was a better way to sing with a better rock tone. Truly appreciate you sharing this information
Man I think I’ve commented on your vids before but I haven’t looked at any other singing coaches apart yourself in the last 12 to 18 months and my voice has vastly improved not just in range but way better at handling difficult vowels and high note pressure lyrics during live performances. Basically I don’t tighten up and shit myself prior to singing those difficult bits. This video is fantastic and gave me another visual (sing to the back of the head) which already has freed up my process. I’m gonna get my goal sorted out and give you a shout for some one-to-one at some stage I recommend you to anyone I know seeking vocal enhancement. Best regards.
Thankyou so much for the kind words - I'm glad you're taking a step forward with your singing, and that I can play a small part in getting you there! K
Thank you man. Your re-framing and explanation of the sound coming out of the top of my head, so to speak, and not into my nose just clicked something and so much of my practice and old lessons just fell into place. Now I can get vibrato on my "Eh" sounding vowels. Probably needless detail from me. I'm just really happy lol.
9:07 (to 9:20) So true! That continues talk about ‘open throat’ technique was a a bit counter-productive for me in my goal to be able to sing higher notes correctly. What I learned from you to achieve that, does not feel like an open throat to me. I wouldn’t describe what I’m doing with those two words. Although I now understand that people who use the term mean the same thing, I couldn’t understand them. Language can be quite confusing.
OE used to be my favorite vowel, and then someone told me on RUclips that it was wrong and that I would destroy my voice singing that way. So I started trying to sing with better diction. And that's when I ran into trouble. Just mimicking you in this video, I was able to sing really loud. The OE stuff is dynamite!
Ive been watching Daniel Formicas vids on your recommendations. Im actaully getting some sort of progress as my voice is close to his type. Yours is edgy and deeper . So possibly the same technique . I start light and add support slowly. I seem to get that small connected sound to become connected to my full voice. Sounds killer, Love your work man
@FoundationVocalStudio I realised I will never have the same timbre as yourself and Layne and the likes, so when I heard Daniels voice, I straight away thought that's more my timbre. You have an effortless high style with an edge happening, so I'm very jealous of that.. and on point all the time is the trick I want
the 'effortless' and 'high' are technique and learned via training - my voice was neither. My voice was also weak and quite hoarse sounding, so the 'edge' is also something that's been developed with better technique. Layne was a Tenor, about the furthest thing from my pipes you could imagine ha. Best K
Yo bro. This was tremendously helpful. You should do a tutorial on Beautiful Things by Benson Boone to show how these younger artists are using this kinda rock tones!
This way of singing is smarter.. and healthier than bon jovi's way, back in the day.. (but as usual gets that annoying and generic 80's hair metal tone) he used to do it stronger and with a huge sub-glottical pressure... I was a "pusher" in the past.. (like Dickson) strong breading, lots of space, full voice till the end of the high notes...but these days after almost 30 years, I've also found better to do this way too... in this "modern head voiced" well adducted way...
Same - push down, hold your breath, go wide as possible; me circa 2010 ha. Dickinson has declined since Seventh Son into a weightier push, I'll be doing something on Dickinson soon, it's actually easier to sing like him than JBJ for the reasons you mentioned, there's certain 'mistakes' that people expect you make when you sing in the style of/like a certain singer. Axl Rose is another example; terrible way to sing, however, you just couldn't do a cover of Nightrain without aping those same fundamental mistakes. Funny you call it 'modern', 90% of my approach comes from 60's and 70's singers like Paul Rodgers and Steve Marriot. Best - K
This makes perfect sense, i thought for so many years that i needed to sing loud and i couldn't figure out why i was blowing my voice😅 I'm learning to sing quiet and announciate my words, when i go into head voice i don't the grit area i need and that's where I'm at, I'm still working on all this, but this video makes total sense
Great channel - one of the few that have a different but important take on vocals. There is no absolute right and wrong as long as the singer sounds great and can sing reliably for years on end. Keep up the great work.
There is a video out there of James durbin from American idol, he's singing a capella maybe with a acoustic skid row possibly 🤔 anyways he's not pushing or straining at all, super relaxed but singing in head voice and doing amazing😅
I cant really say for how long i've been trying to sing Burden In My Hand from Soundgarden, and the very beginning of the song already kills me every time. Like the very beginning of all Cornell's verses in this song are already high and powerfull and i crack every time i try it. I've been trying to improve my mixed voice, but i'm not really sure that's the problem.
Sing the first word as AA like "fat" instead of OH like "follow" - he also "hoots" slightly on 'into'. Could never stand the song personally, DOTU is the weakest of soundgarden's records from the original run in my view ha. Best - K
Check out my other videos, there's about a billion D5's and above. It's the same premise for this high range - ruclips.net/video/y_2SQ4Bs__g/видео.htmlsi=GrSkaJ4246bEShmd&t=211
I can do the most of the song stuff you're doing here pretty comfy but wondering how to nail that ending. The 'we're never gonna do it alone' part. I heard someone say that might not really be jon doing it, but richie. Thoughts?
It's Jon - if it comes up in another video I'll tackle it for you. Same premise, but the vowel will be narrowed, the folds stretched further and the support will shift. K
One thing people need to understand about many of the great singers is that a lot of them are doing things completely wrong, but getting away with it due to unique physiology. Rob Halford is the best example of someone who relied on screaming, pushing, clamping, and bad scratch technique, but was lucky enough to get away with it and never end up with nodes or his voice blowing out. Contrast that to Axl Rose who did everything wrong and lost his voice very early on, which surgery couldn't fix.
@@FoundationVocalStudio She blows his voice out in most every live performance so that can't be the case. Especially in the old days before he got old.
You seem to have a grasp of the anatomy behind singing so I wonder if you could answer a question I’ve not seen addressed. How does mouth shape play into head voice? Specifically, does having a high roof of the mouth get in the way of higher resonance chambers somehow?
No - it's something that has come up before with a student with a high hard palate. The second formant is really the distance between the centre of the tongue and the alveolar ridge, not the space from the tongue to the roof of the mouth. Your pitch really resonates in the first formant which is behind the tongue and up into the palate. However, an extremely high hard palate could affect your perception of where your tongue is or even the feeling of how it resonates, making you make odd choices. Best - K
When you say great singers sing 90% front vowels, do you mean they choose words specifically that fall into the front vowel category (like we, lay, head etc.) or are you saying they just pronounce most of their vowels as front vowels regardless of the word?
Wow thats so informative. But if you look at Dimash Kudaibergen, I think you could be wrong with the observstion bout the tongue and space thing. He casually reaches rlly high notes, higher than you and me, using a wide open mouth and opera style singing. Or maybe i didnt get u right ?...
There's an MRI of one of Danny Formica's students singing Opera, and the tongue is raised considerably at the back of the mouth - despite appearances at the front of the mouth which make it appear 'open' - this is how separation in your formants work. Front vowels in particular are called so because the middle of the tongue is close to the alveolar ridge at the front of the mouth, hence the name. But sure, I'm not going to sing a C6 anytime soon. My point being, what you see isn't necessarily what you get - take two singers with the same voice, and I'd bet a bazillion dollars they do completely different things to achieve the same results, and I'd bet double that that Dimash isn't depressing the very back of his tongue. Some food for thought... Best to you - K
Just to be 100% clear so i don't start getting myself all confused, if we are going for an Ah back vowel, the remaining 10% of the time, we do need to lower the tongue right? Like, not uncomfortably so with tension, but still lowered?
It's really the distance between the centre of the tongue and alveolar ridge - so, slightly down and less forward. This doesn't mean slam the tongue down, it's still 'up' sligthly in the back on all vowels.
Opening the mouth wide when singing high, why do pro's do itz is it to prevent possible nasality? So they have a narrow space inside the mouth, tongue raised high, and resonance feeling in the front of the mouth, but they open the mouth, not to make a bigger room inside the mouth, but just at the tip to remove nasality and make it clearer? Is that a good assesment?
Not really - true nasality is more linked to the velar pharyngeal port. The mouth and jaw position is linked to movement of the soft palate and shape in the back of the mouth. I don't open my mouth super wide as I ascend, just enough to be natural while still sing the words. Best - K
@@FoundationVocalStudio okay thanks! I hope one day to find a vocal teacher in my area that can sing as well as you, that can just listen to my voice when i sing, and tell me if the placement is correct or not.. i keep going back and forth, and never knowing if i am doing it correctly.. so frustrating
Seems to me that absolutely everything stems from the ability to adduct your vocal cords right throughout your range. Without good vocal cord closure, not much is really going to happen… I think those who can do it effortlessly, particularly vocal coaches, make the assumption that everyone else can. For me, some days my cords are sharp like razors, but other days they feel like mush. It’s difficult to move on without this foundation being in place. So how can we consistently achieve that?
Excellent quesiton, it's something I really struggled with - mainly because there's more than one function that affects this in each range of the voice. Purely adducting the folds with the arytenoids isn't the key; the folds stretch with the CT muscle, hence bringing them together, then your support actually creates a vacuum that either keeps your folds together or makes them separate. The key is really to find a consistent tone (a bright ping) and focus on that same tone in every register, rather than physically trying to bring them together - but of course, that depends on person to person. K
Yes - I had a classical teacher make me do messa di voce exercises over and over and over again; however, I don't think it's important to be able to do that to be able to sing in this way.
@@FoundationVocalStudio thanks for the response man. So practicing the raised palate and connecting the voice by engaging the CT muscle, sound is still so weak. Do you suggest practicing that weak sound, and overtime will it sound fuller?
The problem with vocal students is that they don't realise that no two voices and dispositions are the same. The approach that gives one singer three octaves of powerful range can be absolutely destructive in another singer that breathes or speaks in a different way in a fundamental sense - tone, physicality, accent, expectations, influences - these all colour the way you use your voice, so, no single instruction works for every singer. Ergo, you're going to get singing teachers giving different advice - I'd like to think I'm extremely clear on CONTEXT in these videos, and obviously in personal coaching. Your comment is exactly what I'm putting across in this video - work that out, and you're 90% of the way to finding a solution to your issues as a singer. Best - K
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Shout better than anyone else works on another level when you look up the name of the band he used to be in lol.
Coaches and videos of that nature held back my singing for years. Wasnt until I started bringing everything back a level and focusing on smaller sounds, with the key being resonance over projection, that i made actual progress.
After years of singing, I recently stumbled upon the ability so sing higher notes with out "pushing down" like you mentioned. This video really helped my to cement and perfect the idea of singing with less tension. Love the videos man, keep em' coming!
Have been through all here courses Kegan refers to and I can tell you Kegan is the best out there.
Finally, answers to what I have been trying to adjust my own singing after pushing down, open sound blah blah, all that stuff. I love my 80’s rock music. This video is game changer for me, as I now know what I was leaning towards was a better way to sing with a better rock tone.
Truly appreciate you sharing this information
Man I think I’ve commented on your vids before but I haven’t looked at any other singing coaches apart yourself in the last 12 to 18 months and my voice has vastly improved not just in range but way better at handling difficult vowels and high note pressure lyrics during live performances. Basically I don’t tighten up and shit myself prior to singing those difficult bits. This video is fantastic and gave me another visual (sing to the back of the head) which already has freed up my process. I’m gonna get my goal sorted out and give you a shout for some one-to-one at some stage I recommend you to anyone I know seeking vocal enhancement. Best regards.
Thankyou so much for the kind words - I'm glad you're taking a step forward with your singing, and that I can play a small part in getting you there! K
Thank you man. Your re-framing and explanation of the sound coming out of the top of my head, so to speak, and not into my nose just clicked something and so much of my practice and old lessons just fell into place. Now I can get vibrato on my "Eh" sounding vowels.
Probably needless detail from me. I'm just really happy lol.
I love this fellas honesty
9:07 (to 9:20) So true! That continues talk about ‘open throat’ technique was a a bit counter-productive for me in my goal to be able to sing higher notes correctly.
What I learned from you to achieve that, does not feel like an open throat to me. I wouldn’t describe what I’m doing with those two words. Although I now understand that people who use the term mean the same thing, I couldn’t understand them. Language can be quite confusing.
OE used to be my favorite vowel, and then someone told me on RUclips that it was wrong and that I would destroy my voice singing that way. So I started trying to sing with better diction. And that's when I ran into trouble.
Just mimicking you in this video, I was able to sing really loud. The OE stuff is dynamite!
Ive been watching Daniel Formicas vids on your recommendations. Im actaully getting some sort of progress as my voice is close to his type. Yours is edgy and deeper . So possibly the same technique . I start light and add support slowly. I seem to get that small connected sound to become connected to my full voice. Sounds killer, Love your work man
Dan's got a beautiful voice - I'm in awe of the way he sings, and he's freakin' hilarious too. Glad things are coming together for you K
@FoundationVocalStudio I realised I will never have the same timbre as yourself and Layne and the likes, so when I heard Daniels voice, I straight away thought that's more my timbre. You have an effortless high style with an edge happening, so I'm very jealous of that.. and on point all the time is the trick I want
the 'effortless' and 'high' are technique and learned via training - my voice was neither. My voice was also weak and quite hoarse sounding, so the 'edge' is also something that's been developed with better technique. Layne was a Tenor, about the furthest thing from my pipes you could imagine ha. Best K
Yo bro. This was tremendously helpful. You should do a tutorial on Beautiful Things by Benson Boone to show how these younger artists are using this kinda rock tones!
This way of singing is smarter.. and healthier than bon jovi's way, back in the day.. (but as usual gets that annoying and generic 80's hair metal tone) he used to do it stronger and with a huge sub-glottical pressure... I was a "pusher" in the past.. (like Dickson) strong breading, lots of space, full voice till the end of the high notes...but these days after almost 30 years, I've also found better to do this way too... in this "modern head voiced" well adducted way...
Same - push down, hold your breath, go wide as possible; me circa 2010 ha. Dickinson has declined since Seventh Son into a weightier push, I'll be doing something on Dickinson soon, it's actually easier to sing like him than JBJ for the reasons you mentioned, there's certain 'mistakes' that people expect you make when you sing in the style of/like a certain singer. Axl Rose is another example; terrible way to sing, however, you just couldn't do a cover of Nightrain without aping those same fundamental mistakes. Funny you call it 'modern', 90% of my approach comes from 60's and 70's singers like Paul Rodgers and Steve Marriot. Best - K
@@FoundationVocalStudiomaybe he says modern because its a common approach in modern pop singing (minus the distortion that is)
This makes perfect sense, i thought for so many years that i needed to sing loud and i couldn't figure out why i was blowing my voice😅 I'm learning to sing quiet and announciate my words, when i go into head voice i don't the grit area i need and that's where I'm at, I'm still working on all this, but this video makes total sense
always great info here.
Great channel - one of the few that have a different but important take on vocals. There is no absolute right and wrong as long as the singer sounds great and can sing reliably for years on end. Keep up the great work.
Nice video as always. Great vocals also.
Steve Marriott !! I’ve actually seen Humble Pie!! Don’t ask when😅
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Your vids are gold
You just earned a sub. Your explanation is very easy to understand and eye(voice) opening!
All I need is more practice. Thank you!
There is a video out there of James durbin from American idol, he's singing a capella maybe with a acoustic skid row possibly 🤔 anyways he's not pushing or straining at all, super relaxed but singing in head voice and doing amazing😅
Your dinner bell sound is now my phone's text alert..😁
My ringtone is of my 4 year old daughter screaming "bleeeeaaaaargh" at the top of her lungs during a tantrum.
I cant really say for how long i've been trying to sing Burden In My Hand from Soundgarden, and the very beginning of the song already kills me every time. Like the very beginning of all Cornell's verses in this song are already high and powerfull and i crack every time i try it. I've been trying to improve my mixed voice, but i'm not really sure that's the problem.
Sing the first word as AA like "fat" instead of OH like "follow" - he also "hoots" slightly on 'into'. Could never stand the song personally, DOTU is the weakest of soundgarden's records from the original run in my view ha. Best - K
Can you identify what technique does used in the song Making love out of nothing at all in the chorus part. This song is Air supply
Would have been really nice to hear you do something up in the range of C5-D5 in this video, that's where i'm really struggling.
Check out my other videos, there's about a billion D5's and above. It's the same premise for this high range - ruclips.net/video/y_2SQ4Bs__g/видео.htmlsi=GrSkaJ4246bEShmd&t=211
@@FoundationVocalStudio Perfect example, thank you!
I can do the most of the song stuff you're doing here pretty comfy but wondering how to nail that ending. The 'we're never gonna do it alone' part. I heard someone say that might not really be jon doing it, but richie. Thoughts?
It's Jon - if it comes up in another video I'll tackle it for you. Same premise, but the vowel will be narrowed, the folds stretched further and the support will shift. K
One thing people need to understand about many of the great singers is that a lot of them are doing things completely wrong, but getting away with it due to unique physiology. Rob Halford is the best example of someone who relied on screaming, pushing, clamping, and bad scratch technique, but was lucky enough to get away with it and never end up with nodes or his voice blowing out. Contrast that to Axl Rose who did everything wrong and lost his voice very early on, which surgery couldn't fix.
Halford is making mostly the right choices!
@@FoundationVocalStudio She blows his voice out in most every live performance so that can't be the case. Especially in the old days before he got old.
Hence why I said mostly.
Just watched Noise works at the Gold coast Red hot summer tour.
Jon Stevens
He's a freak. High screams and power house. He'd be 60 odd
Problem with vocal coaches is that noone tells the same things.
There is a trust crisis.
Fact! One says open your mouth and the other one says ya dont need to open it in general.
You seem to have a grasp of the anatomy behind singing so I wonder if you could answer a question I’ve not seen addressed. How does mouth shape play into head voice? Specifically, does having a high roof of the mouth get in the way of higher resonance chambers somehow?
No - it's something that has come up before with a student with a high hard palate. The second formant is really the distance between the centre of the tongue and the alveolar ridge, not the space from the tongue to the roof of the mouth. Your pitch really resonates in the first formant which is behind the tongue and up into the palate. However, an extremely high hard palate could affect your perception of where your tongue is or even the feeling of how it resonates, making you make odd choices. Best - K
@@FoundationVocalStudio Great insights, thank you!
Love your stuff mate. Where in Oz are you?
Thanks - somewhere along the yellow brick road! (Mountains in QLD) Best - K
When you say great singers sing 90% front vowels, do you mean they choose words specifically that fall into the front vowel category (like we, lay, head etc.) or are you saying they just pronounce most of their vowels as front vowels regardless of the word?
Most words just fall in that category with Rock and contemporary singing. K
Wow thats so informative. But if you look at Dimash Kudaibergen, I think you could be wrong with the observstion bout the tongue and space thing. He casually reaches rlly high notes, higher than you and me, using a wide open mouth and opera style singing. Or maybe i didnt get u right ?...
There's an MRI of one of Danny Formica's students singing Opera, and the tongue is raised considerably at the back of the mouth - despite appearances at the front of the mouth which make it appear 'open' - this is how separation in your formants work. Front vowels in particular are called so because the middle of the tongue is close to the alveolar ridge at the front of the mouth, hence the name. But sure, I'm not going to sing a C6 anytime soon. My point being, what you see isn't necessarily what you get - take two singers with the same voice, and I'd bet a bazillion dollars they do completely different things to achieve the same results, and I'd bet double that that Dimash isn't depressing the very back of his tongue. Some food for thought... Best to you - K
@FoundationVocalStudio Rlly appreciate your detailed answer :). All the best👌 !
Just to be 100% clear so i don't start getting myself all confused, if we are going for an Ah back vowel, the remaining 10% of the time, we do need to lower the tongue right? Like, not uncomfortably so with tension, but still lowered?
It's really the distance between the centre of the tongue and alveolar ridge - so, slightly down and less forward. This doesn't mean slam the tongue down, it's still 'up' sligthly in the back on all vowels.
Opening the mouth wide when singing high, why do pro's do itz is it to prevent possible nasality? So they have a narrow space inside the mouth, tongue raised high, and resonance feeling in the front of the mouth, but they open the mouth, not to make a bigger room inside the mouth, but just at the tip to remove nasality and make it clearer? Is that a good assesment?
Not really - true nasality is more linked to the velar pharyngeal port. The mouth and jaw position is linked to movement of the soft palate and shape in the back of the mouth. I don't open my mouth super wide as I ascend, just enough to be natural while still sing the words. Best - K
@@FoundationVocalStudio okay thanks! I hope one day to find a vocal teacher in my area that can sing as well as you, that can just listen to my voice when i sing, and tell me if the placement is correct or not.. i keep going back and forth, and never knowing if i am doing it correctly.. so frustrating
I HaVe A LEarNiNG dIsABilitY haha - Great stuff. Definitely been through this.
Seems to me that absolutely everything stems from the ability to adduct your vocal cords right throughout your range. Without good vocal cord closure, not much is really going to happen…
I think those who can do it effortlessly, particularly vocal coaches, make the assumption that everyone else can.
For me, some days my cords are sharp like razors, but other days they feel like mush.
It’s difficult to move on without this foundation being in place.
So how can we consistently achieve that?
Excellent quesiton, it's something I really struggled with - mainly because there's more than one function that affects this in each range of the voice. Purely adducting the folds with the arytenoids isn't the key; the folds stretch with the CT muscle, hence bringing them together, then your support actually creates a vacuum that either keeps your folds together or makes them separate. The key is really to find a consistent tone (a bright ping) and focus on that same tone in every register, rather than physically trying to bring them together - but of course, that depends on person to person. K
Many thanks for the reply, and glad you agree…now where did I leave my ‘ping’ 🤪
So from falsetto, can you make the sound louder? or is it totally a different approach when singing that high?
Yes - I had a classical teacher make me do messa di voce exercises over and over and over again; however, I don't think it's important to be able to do that to be able to sing in this way.
@@FoundationVocalStudio thanks for the response man. So practicing the raised palate and connecting the voice by engaging the CT muscle, sound is still so weak. Do you suggest practicing that weak sound, and overtime will it sound fuller?
Go for Brighter, edgier, more ping - not 'fuller'.
Yeah, Bon Jovi always sang the F out of his range ...He should have invested in some lessons
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Problem with vocal coaches is that noone tells the same things.
There is a trust crisis.
The problem with vocal students is that they don't realise that no two voices and dispositions are the same. The approach that gives one singer three octaves of powerful range can be absolutely destructive in another singer that breathes or speaks in a different way in a fundamental sense - tone, physicality, accent, expectations, influences - these all colour the way you use your voice, so, no single instruction works for every singer. Ergo, you're going to get singing teachers giving different advice - I'd like to think I'm extremely clear on CONTEXT in these videos, and obviously in personal coaching. Your comment is exactly what I'm putting across in this video - work that out, and you're 90% of the way to finding a solution to your issues as a singer. Best - K