I am a long term lover of this channel and your content, but I do think you approached this particular review a little bit cynically, and with your mind made up. It doesn't fit your lifestyle and taste but I'm not sure that necessarily makes it a dud. I don't need one either, but anything to cut down on the number of SUVs on the road can't be a bad thing
Agreed. He didn't really explain why it's a "dud" except to that he doesn't like it or EVs in general. Testing it on a test track is pointless too. A Transporter will handle much worse.
My mind wasn't made up until I found out it had the same battery as ID3 yet weighs significantly more and has significantly higher aerodynamic drag making it far less efficient. VW quote 15.2kw/h for 62 miles of driving with ID.3, for Buzz it's 21.5 kw/h - that's a huge difference considering they both run the same 77 kw/h battery. It's like having an SUV with the same fuel tank as a Golf - but worse - because you can't simply fill it with fuel in 3 minutes. Allow for the fact real world range is often overstated by manufacturers especially in the winter and this car is a massive white (and green) elephant.
Testing it at motorways speeds isn't pointless because it was chomping through 1 mile of range in far less than a mile. Cars like this should be for road trips and in France you can do 90 mph without much risk of getting busted, much greater risk of running out of range.
EV’s have their place indeed, entirely replacing ICE cars in the next 10-15 years. However fair points about battery size, given weight. Also I don’t recall ever finding petrol at a campsite?😂
The cargo works well as a business expense. We're already set up with full solar and storage, excess energy would get to the van. Cheaper charging at night and with 200 miles range it would easily do what I need it to in a day. Also makes a good advertisement statement once sat in your livery.
I don't think electric cars have any place just because they are heavy, expensive, if they are used on mass there will put a huge strain on the electric grid not to mention the space that will be needed to accommodate them charging up, after 5 years the batteries will have to be replaced and it's just not viable for longer range travel. To me a good electric vehicle is a motorcycle. It's small, doesn't need as much power, doesn't need the range, doesn't have the weight problem and some models even protect you from the rain. EVs are just an expensive gimmick.
It's a very small market that it would benefit, we've got 2 large solar systems on our property so an id buzz made sense as a little run around that had the load space, if we were making a long trip we've got multiple other options of petrol and diesel to get us there, but its a great way to go within a 150 mile journey for free, we also wouldn't keep an electric vehicle for more than 4 years so the battery would never be an issue, but unless you've got the ideal setup it's not worth buying an electric vehicle.
My wife is the registered owner of our Buzz, our first EV. Admittedly, it is more expensive than some other electric multi-purpose vehicle (MPV) contenders, such as a Peugeot Rifter. The Buzz has much better specs, for passengers and goods, and is not based on an existing ICE vehicle. If one tries to price in the improvements on the Buzz, one discovers that the Buzz is not that much more expensive. One of the challenges with reviewing the Buzz, is that some reviewers are unfamiliar with MPVs. Many drive a SUV, and compare a Buzz with that. We buy a new car every ten years, regarding our investment as a sunk cost. This is our fifth MPV.
Look at the freefalling prices of used EVs, people don't want them because the charging network is rubbish. This car is much less efficient than the average EV yet has the same battery making this issue even bigger. You need to question the motives of reviewers who don't mention obvious flaws with vehicles - there's lots of ad revenue from manufacturers getting paid to RUclipsrs who say good things about EVs. There are also many 'reviewers' who don't criticise cars they are loaned to review because they don't want to upset the PR departments. In fact VW UK are loaning cars to opinion free influencers now so they don't get negative publicity because VW have spent so much on EVs they can't afford this 'master' plan to fail.
@@volkswizard part of that is because it’s really easy to get a new VW EV, got my golf serviced last week and they had 6 in the showroom, lady said can easy get EVs quickly now. I don’t like EVs either but I think it’s unfair to say this is a dud, it’s by FAR the best looking EV out there and at least it’s got some personality, which most modern cars EV or fuel, dont
Thanks for sharing. I loved the prototype design, years ago. But like often, the commercial product left me meh. And then, unless you buy a vehicle because you find it cool or love how it looks, next comes the specs and what do I get for the price... I'd rather get a customized retrofit E Beetle with a matching trailer for the same price.😅
Starting out by saying you don't like it because you don't like electric vehicles is a bit weird. The Taycan is one of the coolest vehicles which has ever been made! The ID Buzz is a very expensive vehicle. It doesn't feel right asking that money for what you get. However, do I like it? Do I want one? Yes. I'm not about to buy one, but I would happily have one. Criticising the price is one thing, but going round the whole thing looking for faults is not exactly a great review.
Stop talking nonsense, Its an absolute embarrassment from vw, I own 2 vag cars & 1 transporter & this bus is pathetic,does everything badly & the price 😖
You hit the nail on the head with that review - a desirable, funky car (or Van!) that looks cool, but is inherently flawed. Personally, I dislike that video game dashboard (I suppose proper, enclosed instrument binnacles are so "yesterday" now). It's not quite as bad as a Tesla Model 3, to be fair. Wouldn't be much use for me in the winter with RWD either (which goes for a lot of the VAG EVs). I suppose it's the closest that VW have got (& are probably likely ever to get) to a roomy estate type car (unless we get an ID.3 estate). The price is absolutely shocking though - I don't think I'd be walking past a Golf R Estate (even a Mk8, which I don't like) for this. In fact, I was reading a review of an Audi RS4 Avant in an article in a local newspaper, which was tested at around £71k - only £3k more than that ID.Buzz you tested....I know what I'd pick! It's a shame, really - this was one EV I wanted to like...
I think in the US, where we're getting the overweight version of the BUZZ, most will be buying it for its cool factor. Personally, I'd prefer the short wheelbase version, as it's lighter and more maneuverable in urban settings. I suspect the camper version will sell like hot cakes here. I understand your take of the car and I agree. I think it's a click bait, trend thing designed to make money for VW. Can't see the average person being able to afford one, so it will be the toy of the wealthy. Be safe and always have fun driving!
You're not wrong. I've made way more u-turns the past (first!) week with the car than I've ever done with my previous two Ford Focus' because it manouvers on a dime :D So, so fun!
Interesting comparing drag with a Golf which has a lot of cooling needs which add drag. I’d need an EV to have lower drag as the engineering allows it and it matters a lot seeing as it impacts the range which is more of an issue than an ICE using a bit more easily replenished fuel
@@volkswizard You have to admit thought that for something that looks like a brick on wheels the drag coefficient is amazing at 0.29. Anyway, forget the Golf what about comparing it with the ID.4 which at 0.28 is again not a lot different.
Just checked CD of Golf 8 and it’s 0.275 not massively different granted but EVs should not be worse. ID3 is 0.267 so Buzz weighs a lot more than ID3, has far inferior drag and the same battery - this is not a recipe for anxiety free driving
I've not been a fan of anything vw has put an id badge on. My first car is a 2004 polo 1.2 twist, and so most of the new cars I'm lucky enough to experience I compare to that. And it blows my mind how quickly car manufacturers haveforgotten to, for example, make a rear seat comfortable. Vw needs to remember what Volkswagen means, because a £70,000 cash grabbing revamp of the camper van I never heard anybody ask for is not a people's car
Very minimalist in everything but price. Wonder on cost down under?. Australia does not yet get an ID3 or 4. Will we, who knows. Does anybody really care or can afford electric cars. We have power rationing on the way. It's going to hurt. Cheers Andrew.
@paulaus I agree. I saw a Tiguan R sold at local dealer $86,500. Yeah there is money out there. I can't find the money for another GTI. Mines 15 this year. 92,000kms. Mum has a 23 year old car with 101k. Looks like we are stuck till they tell us we can't get fuel any more.
The incentive is to move to EVs. They're not going to put a petrol in a brand new model. Shame. Like you say as a lifestyle family vehicle its currently let down by patchy charging infrastructure.
The infrastructure is a problem for far more efficient cars like ID3, Buzz is 30% less efficient and has the same battery which makes range anxiety an even bigger issue
First off here in the states we never got the multi van so this is a big deal and EV’s sadly are the future for $70000 I would buy the Cadillac Lyric (sp) no choice at some point if you want a new car but my beetle and diesel Jetta aren’t ever going anywhere so I won’t be buying one but I still think they’re cool.
@£670pm plus £7500 deposit for three year lease 10k miles per year. That’s a lot for a flawed vehicle! But maybe better than an outright purchase . Personally, if you need this sort of vehicle , get a second hand VW dieselT6 conversion . It’s far better value . Good review .Well done
No one’s buying these for pound notes , they are all monthly payments … the new electric Astra is £50 k .. make of that what you want !! 😂 .. no such thing as a cheap car these days
@@gavinpower5438are you mental, This isn't a rare car or a limited run absolutely no hope for it to be worth more than rep. Its horrendous & I love vw vans
Seems overlooked in most all EV discussions I see. Weight of them and how, without serious technological advancements in material weight reduction over time, EVs will rip the hell out of road infrastructure (especially here in 🇦🇺 where road quality is generally shite.👎) Anyhow, IMHO.
My arms don't contains organs so aren't as sensitive to the cold as my torso. On that day, when the sun came out it would be t-shirt weather, if it didn't it was quite cold. No other way to deal with that apart from a change of clothes - might not yield comments but would be a drag.
Looks pretty. But then again for 68K it should. Another expensive heavy vehicle for our already battered roads. Agree with a previous comment; stick a EA888 lump in it and they'll sell loads for what 45-50K tops?
Who said that? I, like a lot of people, don’t think EVs are the answer. If you look at a Golf, it will easily last 15 years at 10k miles per year. After 8 years, there is no battery warranty on a VW EV so if its range diminishes to the point that it can’t realistically be used, it will be scrapped. How is this environmentally friendly? Then we have coal fired power stations for a large amount of electricity used by these cars and the intensive mining often using children for the raw materials and potentially leading to wars. And what happens to all the old batteries? All I deny is that EVs are the solution to the very apparent climate emergency.
Can you now get it with vents in the rear or rear windows that open? I remember that being pointed out before. That's a huge flaw if you can't in a family vehicle especially on hot days.
I absolutely loved this bus, I’ve had a long line of Veedub buses over the years too. Had an initial order in from day 1, but got complete screwed over by my local dealer and Volkswagen and eventually cancelled my order. Ended up with a used 335d, does everything a buzz does at half the price, twice as fast and with a nicer infotainment system. Without swivel seats and sliding rear seats and the limited range, plus the eye watering purchase costs. I would have to agree it’s a dud. Can see residual values of these in 2/3 years time being almost painful… For the price of it, the money would be better invested in the ICE California van, with rock solid residuals and a far greater vehicle.
I would say the review is pretty poor and biased to be honest. You are comparing a van with C-segment vechicles that the only thing that they have in common is that they are electric. If you would compare it with an EQV, e-spacetourer or similar, that would make much more sense.
The main thing they have in common is the battery which seeing as it's now in a van and not a C segment vehicle means its range is even more compromised. When was the last time a new car had a top speed of 90 mph? The fact this is 100 mph on ID3 and Cupra Born and even Skoda Enyaq just shows you how compromised the Buzz is. And if you do that 90 mph (a speed which it's still possible to do in the UK on non-smart motorways like the M40 without much risk of prosecution) the range drops exponentially. I was curious when cars had top speeds of 90 mph and I had to go back 50 years; They manufactured the DAF 33 between 1959 and 1961, with over 5,000 units produced. It produced 75 horsepower, which was able to do speeds up of 90 mph (145 km/h)
Terrible review I guess you need to drive an EV in the real world before jumping to conclusions, I did the NC500 in an ID3 with a smaller battery , not once did lack of range ever come into it . Fair enough if you don’t like EVs then don’t test them ?! All the other reviews of the Buzz came out favourable but you definitely had your mind made up before getting in it . Please don’t review an EV , again stick to GTis
I don't need to test drive an EV in the real world to see how many come onto the used market with very few miles as owners in their thousands realise they aren't fit for purpose. Remember all that chaos at Christmas with people not being able to charge? Did you do the NC500 in the depth of winter?Probably not as you didn't get stranded and die of exposure. As for other reviews being positive, you need to open your mind up to what constitutes a review and what is a social media influencer saying what the manufacturer wants them to say so they can get invited to next event or get that (ICE) press loan car. There's also a massive amount of EV advertising revenue going to publications and some (not all) will allow this to influence reviews. Parkers who I trust more than most gave it 3.5/5, I wouldn't call that favourable but if you are a 7/10 guy then fill your boots. I don't think telling me to stick to GTIs just because you don't like my subjective verdict on an EV as you are an EV owner is a particularly mature response. Just look at ID3 prices on the used market, nobody needs to listen to my opinion as the massive depreciation they are encountering says it all and VW prostituting their heritage in the name of massive profit margins with an even more flawed EV trinket isn't going to change anything there.
@@volkswizard Looks like I touched a nerve and you don’t take criticism very well , this time last year you couldn’t buy an EV for love nor money , then electricity went up and Tesla dropped there prices , plus supply is a lot quicker now hence the market as dropped to we’re it should be , not that it bothers me as I’m not selling . As for the queuing thing at Christmas, did you forget about the fuel shortage the other year ? Plus a lot of queuing at EV chargers are mostly down to owners not finding alternative chargers nearby . You do realise the EV owners are driving all over Europe without issue ? The NC 500 as been done in the depths of winter many times , by folk like yourself as well . I don’t think an afternoon driving around Millbrook gives anyone the slightest idea of long term EV ownership , but you seemed to think it just isn’t doable , there are chargers out in the places people want to camp you know . So your review was just full of misinformation fuelled by your own biased opinions. I’ve owned an EV for 2 years and 20000 miles and your trying to tell me they won’t work in the real world ? Have a look at RSymons channel , he’s a petrol head and nearly every week he shows how EVs are more than capable out in the real world. And for the record I was driving around in a Mk1 GTi when you still had the poster on your bedroom wall and yes I still love GTis which is why I watch the channel , so please stick to what you know and not what you think you know .
Great content Andrew as always and glad some commonsense prevails - we expect more from manufacturers in regards to EV innovation including weight reduction and this marketing exercise needs to be debunked for its flaws of which you have honestly cited 🎯👏
@@volkswizard true but not many estate look this cool..and thats what really matters...Audi TT, Beetle, Merc SLK etc etc all did the same thing...not much substance but looked good and sold like hot cakes.
There's little issue with new sales of EVs as most buyers are fleet or business and benefiting from massive savings in Benefit in Kind tax that make all the compromises worthwhile assuming they really aren't a car person. However on the used market things are a lot less rosy with main big dealer groups not buying used EVs because demand is unpredictable and as a result a very steep initial depreciation curve. You may think this doesn't matter if new sales are OK but the cost to finance any new car depends on how much it depreciates in the first 3-5 years and on this basis, assuming manufacturers aren't subsidising the intial finance, it will cost a lot more to PCP an EV than the equivalent ICE. For example I recently say 2019 E Golf sell for £12k in the trade with average mileage which a 2019 Golf GTI Performance which had around the same RRP when new would be around double that.
They're company cars so it makes sense, The public ain't buying them & in a few years the government will change the tax band as they're losing to much revenue
£64k!! for a so called cool image vehicle, Wow. personally i think its ugly as hell and the front looks like the grinch crossed with a multipla but each to their own, i get why people think they look cool in them but not for me thank you.
Dieselgate is the albatross most other manufacturers don't have hanging over them and one which in the longer term could be seen as the beginning of the end for VW unless they start manufacturing what people actually want. Kia/Hyundai make EVs but they are fund motorsport and the N brand is going from strength to strength.
Over priced , range if raining etc cannot see 250 miles terrible charging network, electric costs are soaring! and battery life like any battery will degrade over time. I will stick with my Golf R !!!.
Do you think that a combination of high initial price, high insurance and severe depreciation will largely restrict EVs to business users who enjoy generous tax breaks?
Curb appeal is useful but we need to remember that the underlying purpose of a car is go from A to B efficiently, reliably and, as we've got used to since the 1950s, to do this without requiring any more planning than locating one of the 1000s of petrol stations. Going over 90mph occasionally might be nice too, something else cars have been able to do since 1950 :)
@@volkswizard Yes you are right. I take it VW reduced speed to get a satisfactory battery autonomy. Hopefully a H2-ICE or H2-Fuel Cell can perform better. If VW don't deliver an H2 version, I would stick with a classic petrol engine version. They have curb appeal + the cool factor. 🤝
What an absolute con! 70k? And when the price of juice skyrockets (which it has to and I'm bored of explaining why, but tax), this is going to be monstrously expensive to have. Thankfully this 2.5t lump is here to save the planet from the evil up! Ps, vegan leather is plastic which is oil😮
Those cars are £80k+ so not really mass market. If it wasn't for the Benefit In Kind tax benefits I don't think people would be paying RS6 money for those
Drove one last week and found the driving position really strange. You sit a very long way back and so have a lot of metal roof above and in front of you. Like driving from the back seat. Very odd feeling. General visibility wasn’t great either but big thing was the poor range. It was not great at the start but was then dropping a mile a minute. Real shame. It does look nice. A hybrid version with a small battery would make much more sense.
With no ICE why did they set the driving position so far back compared to the T6.1 which has an engine up front? That will compromise space in the camper version. And the range is pathetic. I would require proof that it will go 1000 kms in winter when fully loaded with the A/C on and heated seats in operation.
@@yasi4877 maybe crash testing. I don’t know, but you feel a long way back and yes it does compromise space. Floor is high as well because of batteries.
You say cash in on the hype, Golf R for over 50k, with cheapo cabin materials, your having a laugh!!!! Thats the VW way now. Thats why I put my money elsewhere
I like it, but the rush to all electric feels way too fast. I do not think the average person is ready, financially or otherwise. VW should offer a gas or hybrid version of this. It seems, like most cars now, too expensive.
There's nothing cool about buying the latest trinket aimed at those with more money than sense :) Also it's impossible for a car dealer like me to like EVs when data suggests that EVs on average will lose 51 percent of their purchase value from 2020 to 2023, compared to just 37 percent for petrol vehicles. This equates to a massive £15,220 loss for EV owners, while petrol vehicles lose £9,901. Now that ain't cool 🤨
Hi Andrew whilst I like the look of the ID Buzz it does seem expensive for what it is it will sell as it’s a Volkswagen but doesn’t seem to have the quality and seems more style than substance
I agree it's a turkey. I don't see a queue of people with 68k burning a hole in their pockets. Neither will VW I'll wager. The interior has the whiff of a 30k motor; and 2.5 tonnes? Ridiculous. And I think the front treatment is terrible: really heavy-handed. Was the wind-noise as bad as it sounded?
Seen one on the road they do look really cool? For 68k and I was in the market for a people and load lugger would buy a nice spec diesel Transporter which seem to hold their value really well.
I'm a fan of vans and had lots of them but we don't love vans for their engines. Diesel engines are noisy, smelly and a liability but are cheaper to buy of course.
The 250 miles range is the best you will ever get, a cold wet day in winter, well you better have plenty of time to keep charging. The price tag is a shock too. If you really want a good two & half ton vehicle get a Bentley Bentayga, nothing wrong with SUVs
I wish I didn't have to share roads with people who go more than 200 miles without a break. After your first rapid charge, range will improve as the battery temperature will shoot up. Saying that, this van is too expensive and like with all VWs, the infotainment unit will probably keep dying on you. Also the front assist radar is way too exposed and costs way too much to replace and calibrate.
Hmmm £70k , well overpriced... that's a used Alpine A110 and a 2 year old VW ID4....now let me think......🤔 Should be priced circa 35k for a base model. It would fly off the forecourts.
This van is like the festivals these days …. Overpriced , over-hyped , trying to be cool , and strictly for the middle class wannabe hippy pretend surfer people who haven’t got a clue …… I think you will agree on that too 😂 I’m a real hippy surfer with a golf r estate and a big converted crafter 😂😂 have you seen how they get the minerals for the battery’s !!!!!! Talk about going back in time …….. loving your vids at the minute … your honesty is cracking me up 😂🎉🎉🎉
Andrew loving all the EV nutters having a melt down because you criticised a Vw . How dare you criticise a Vw and a electric Vw . FairPlay to you . 😂😂😂😂
I don't hate the looks of this but I dislike it in every other way. I would love buyers to ignore these EVs and continue to purchase the often excellent petrol and diesel alternatives. EVs are massively overly-priced, generally one-trick ponies, a pain for most people with regards to charging and range anxiety and nowhere near as cheap to run and they're pushed as being. Money down the drain in my opinion.
I am a long term lover of this channel and your content, but I do think you approached this particular review a little bit cynically, and with your mind made up. It doesn't fit your lifestyle and taste but I'm not sure that necessarily makes it a dud. I don't need one either, but anything to cut down on the number of SUVs on the road can't be a bad thing
And replace it with a combi van, OK mate enjoy your night
Agreed. He didn't really explain why it's a "dud" except to that he doesn't like it or EVs in general. Testing it on a test track is pointless too. A Transporter will handle much worse.
My mind wasn't made up until I found out it had the same battery as ID3 yet weighs significantly more and has significantly higher aerodynamic drag making it far less efficient. VW quote 15.2kw/h for 62 miles of driving with ID.3, for Buzz it's 21.5 kw/h - that's a huge difference considering they both run the same 77 kw/h battery. It's like having an SUV with the same fuel tank as a Golf - but worse - because you can't simply fill it with fuel in 3 minutes. Allow for the fact real world range is often overstated by manufacturers especially in the winter and this car is a massive white (and green) elephant.
See above for dud reasons if missed from video
Testing it at motorways speeds isn't pointless because it was chomping through 1 mile of range in far less than a mile. Cars like this should be for road trips and in France you can do 90 mph without much risk of getting busted, much greater risk of running out of range.
EV’s have their place indeed, entirely replacing ICE cars in the next 10-15 years. However fair points about battery size, given weight. Also I don’t recall ever finding petrol at a campsite?😂
entirely replacing cars in 10 years? LOL, you're delusional
The cargo works well as a business expense. We're already set up with full solar and storage, excess energy would get to the van. Cheaper charging at night and with 200 miles range it would easily do what I need it to in a day.
Also makes a good advertisement statement once sat in your livery.
I don't think electric cars have any place just because they are heavy, expensive, if they are used on mass there will put a huge strain on the electric grid not to mention the space that will be needed to accommodate them charging up, after 5 years the batteries will have to be replaced and it's just not viable for longer range travel. To me a good electric vehicle is a motorcycle. It's small, doesn't need as much power, doesn't need the range, doesn't have the weight problem and some models even protect you from the rain. EVs are just an expensive gimmick.
Not to mention the huge internal space that is lost and the fire hazard.
It's a very small market that it would benefit, we've got 2 large solar systems on our property so an id buzz made sense as a little run around that had the load space, if we were making a long trip we've got multiple other options of petrol and diesel to get us there, but its a great way to go within a 150 mile journey for free, we also wouldn't keep an electric vehicle for more than 4 years so the battery would never be an issue, but unless you've got the ideal setup it's not worth buying an electric vehicle.
My wife is the registered owner of our Buzz, our first EV. Admittedly, it is more expensive than some other electric multi-purpose vehicle (MPV) contenders, such as a Peugeot Rifter. The Buzz has much better specs, for passengers and goods, and is not based on an existing ICE vehicle. If one tries to price in the improvements on the Buzz, one discovers that the Buzz is not that much more expensive. One of the challenges with reviewing the Buzz, is that some reviewers are unfamiliar with MPVs. Many drive a SUV, and compare a Buzz with that. We buy a new car every ten years, regarding our investment as a sunk cost. This is our fifth MPV.
Why on earth would you spend 60k on something like this 🤦♂️
@@pauldavies7251 Because it is a cheerful car, that puts a smile on my face.
I like it but that price and range is ridiculous
Is there an option to make it a 7 seater?
Yes there is a seven seater coming soon
For people with more money than sense 😂
The only person on the internet that doesn’t like the buzz
😂👍🏻
Look at the freefalling prices of used EVs, people don't want them because the charging network is rubbish. This car is much less efficient than the average EV yet has the same battery making this issue even bigger. You need to question the motives of reviewers who don't mention obvious flaws with vehicles - there's lots of ad revenue from manufacturers getting paid to RUclipsrs who say good things about EVs. There are also many 'reviewers' who don't criticise cars they are loaned to review because they don't want to upset the PR departments. In fact VW UK are loaning cars to opinion free influencers now so they don't get negative publicity because VW have spent so much on EVs they can't afford this 'master' plan to fail.
@@volkswizard part of that is because it’s really easy to get a new VW EV, got my golf serviced last week and they had 6 in the showroom, lady said can easy get EVs quickly now. I don’t like EVs either but I think it’s unfair to say this is a dud, it’s by FAR the best looking EV out there and at least it’s got some personality, which most modern cars EV or fuel, dont
@@howster34it's almost £70k are you for real,
I'd rather get a brand new rs3 & a Nissan leaf for the same price,
Thanks for sharing. I loved the prototype design, years ago. But like often, the commercial product left me meh. And then, unless you buy a vehicle because you find it cool or love how it looks, next comes the specs and what do I get for the price... I'd rather get a customized retrofit E Beetle with a matching trailer for the same price.😅
Lol every car being electric is never going to work. They’ll pull the plug (excuse the pun) on the idea before that 2030 deadline.
It's OK Wizard, we ain't feeling it either.
68k 😂
Best to buy a used 2.4 Toyota Vellfire at £18k.😅
Starting out by saying you don't like it because you don't like electric vehicles is a bit weird. The Taycan is one of the coolest vehicles which has ever been made! The ID Buzz is a very expensive vehicle. It doesn't feel right asking that money for what you get. However, do I like it? Do I want one? Yes. I'm not about to buy one, but I would happily have one. Criticising the price is one thing, but going round the whole thing looking for faults is not exactly a great review.
Taycan cool? So a car that says 'Turbo' on the back yet doesn't have a turbo is cool? Each to their own....
Stop talking nonsense, Its an absolute embarrassment from vw,
I own 2 vag cars & 1 transporter & this bus is pathetic,does everything badly & the price 😖
60K odd for this 🤣
You hit the nail on the head with that review - a desirable, funky car (or Van!) that looks cool, but is inherently flawed. Personally, I dislike that video game dashboard (I suppose proper, enclosed instrument binnacles are so "yesterday" now). It's not quite as bad as a Tesla Model 3, to be fair. Wouldn't be much use for me in the winter with RWD either (which goes for a lot of the VAG EVs).
I suppose it's the closest that VW have got (& are probably likely ever to get) to a roomy estate type car (unless we get an ID.3 estate). The price is absolutely shocking though - I don't think I'd be walking past a Golf R Estate (even a Mk8, which I don't like) for this. In fact, I was reading a review of an Audi RS4 Avant in an article in a local newspaper, which was tested at around £71k - only £3k more than that ID.Buzz you tested....I know what I'd pick!
It's a shame, really - this was one EV I wanted to like...
I think in the US, where we're getting the overweight version of the BUZZ, most will be buying it for its cool factor. Personally, I'd prefer the short wheelbase version, as it's lighter and more maneuverable in urban settings. I suspect the camper version will sell like hot cakes here. I understand your take of the car and I agree. I think it's a click bait, trend thing designed to make money for VW. Can't see the average person being able to afford one, so it will be the toy of the wealthy. Be safe and always have fun driving!
Today most people can’t afford a new car but this is what it’s coming to this is pricy but at least it’s not a Lucid Air @ $170,000
You're not wrong. I've made way more u-turns the past (first!) week with the car than I've ever done with my previous two Ford Focus' because it manouvers on a dime :D So, so fun!
Not quite like a "brick". Its drag coefficient is just 0.29 - not much more than a Golf.
But the drag is much higher than in a Golf due the much larger frontal area. However, it's a van! What are people expecting?
Interesting comparing drag with a Golf which has a lot of cooling needs which add drag. I’d need an EV to have lower drag as the engineering allows it and it matters a lot seeing as it impacts the range which is more of an issue than an ICE using a bit more easily replenished fuel
@@volkswizard You have to admit thought that for something that looks like a brick on wheels the drag coefficient is amazing at 0.29. Anyway, forget the Golf what about comparing it with the ID.4 which at 0.28 is again not a lot different.
Just checked CD of Golf 8 and it’s 0.275 not massively different granted but EVs should not be worse. ID3 is 0.267 so Buzz weighs a lot more than ID3, has far inferior drag and the same battery - this is not a recipe for anxiety free driving
I've not been a fan of anything vw has put an id badge on. My first car is a 2004 polo 1.2 twist, and so most of the new cars I'm lucky enough to experience I compare to that. And it blows my mind how quickly car manufacturers haveforgotten to, for example, make a rear seat comfortable. Vw needs to remember what Volkswagen means, because a £70,000 cash grabbing revamp of the camper van I never heard anybody ask for is not a people's car
I'm not fuzzed by da Buzz.
Very minimalist in everything but price. Wonder on cost down under?. Australia does not yet get an ID3 or 4. Will we, who knows. Does anybody really care or can afford electric cars. We have power rationing on the way. It's going to hurt. Cheers Andrew.
We don’t pay as much as they do in the UK if you do the direct conversion but would expect 90 to 100k AUD. Reckon they will sell them all.
@paulaus I agree. I saw a Tiguan R sold at local dealer $86,500. Yeah there is money out there. I can't find the money for another GTI. Mines 15 this year. 92,000kms. Mum has a 23 year old car with 101k. Looks like we are stuck till they tell us we can't get fuel any more.
Nice video on the buzz but it's not for me... I'm sure some people will love it. 👍
Bang on review. You’ve cut through all the hype. Stick a 2.0T petrol in there for £40k and I’ll have one.
But you can't fit a 2L petrol in that short nose.
The incentive is to move to EVs. They're not going to put a petrol in a brand new model. Shame. Like you say as a lifestyle family vehicle its currently let down by patchy charging infrastructure.
The infrastructure is a problem for far more efficient cars like ID3, Buzz is 30% less efficient and has the same battery which makes range anxiety an even bigger issue
@@volkswizard it's not exactly what you would call streamlined aerodynamic is it😁
A honest, straightforward , non- baised review. Thank you.
Great bit on the buzz I will stick with my 08 t5 and mk2golf gti cheers
First off here in the states we never got the multi van so this is a big deal and EV’s sadly are the future for $70000 I would buy the Cadillac Lyric (sp) no choice at some point if you want a new car but my beetle and diesel Jetta aren’t ever going anywhere so I won’t be buying one but I still think they’re cool.
@£670pm plus £7500 deposit for three year lease 10k miles per year. That’s a lot for a flawed vehicle! But maybe better than an outright purchase . Personally, if you need this sort of vehicle , get a second hand VW dieselT6 conversion . It’s far better value . Good review .Well done
That really is mental,
Its still beyond me people paying that much for such rubbish,
I'd rather get a Porsche macan & pay for diesel
Vw picasso 😂
No one’s buying these for pound notes , they are all monthly payments … the new electric Astra is £50 k .. make of that what you want !! 😂 .. no such thing as a cheap car these days
It’s still a hefty monthly repayment and a high chance of negative equity if you want to get out of your PCP early
@@volkswizard .. yep 100% … but as you know , these will sell and probably go for overs too …
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@@gavinpower5438are you mental,
This isn't a rare car or a limited run absolutely no hope for it to be worth more than rep.
Its horrendous & I love vw vans
its great i have ordered one.
I like the idea, and it looks nice (except the ID interior!) - I have a mk8 Golf so I can like with the infotainment etc - but just too much money!
"Traveling in a fried-out Kombi. On a hippie trail, head full of zombie".
I met a strange lady, she made me nervous
She took me in and gave me breakfast
By coincidence, I'm 6'4" and full of muscle.
Seems overlooked in most all EV discussions I see. Weight of them and how, without serious technological advancements in material weight reduction over time, EVs will rip the hell out of road infrastructure (especially here in 🇦🇺 where road quality is generally shite.👎) Anyhow, IMHO.
Each to their own but 68K for that! No thanks.
Wearing a shirt with a vest. It always confuses me. Are you hot or are you cold?
My arms don't contains organs so aren't as sensitive to the cold as my torso. On that day, when the sun came out it would be t-shirt weather, if it didn't it was quite cold. No other way to deal with that apart from a change of clothes - might not yield comments but would be a drag.
Looks pretty. But then again for 68K it should. Another expensive heavy vehicle for our already battered roads. Agree with a previous comment; stick a EA888 lump in it and they'll sell loads for what 45-50K tops?
Brilliant, a climate denier.
Who said that? I, like a lot of people, don’t think EVs are the answer. If you look at a Golf, it will easily last 15 years at 10k miles per year. After 8 years, there is no battery warranty on a VW EV so if its range diminishes to the point that it can’t realistically be used, it will be scrapped. How is this environmentally friendly? Then we have coal fired power stations for a large amount of electricity used by these cars and the intensive mining often using children for the raw materials and potentially leading to wars. And what happens to all the old batteries? All I deny is that EVs are the solution to the very apparent climate emergency.
Can you now get it with vents in the rear or rear windows that open? I remember that being pointed out before. That's a huge flaw if you can't in a family vehicle especially on hot days.
They don't do opening Windows, Transporters hq are working on aftermarket ones.
This really is a shocker from vw
I absolutely loved this bus, I’ve had a long line of Veedub buses over the years too.
Had an initial order in from day 1, but got complete screwed over by my local dealer and Volkswagen and eventually cancelled my order.
Ended up with a used 335d, does everything a buzz does at half the price, twice as fast and with a nicer infotainment system.
Without swivel seats and sliding rear seats and the limited range, plus the eye watering purchase costs. I would have to agree it’s a dud.
Can see residual values of these in 2/3 years time being almost painful…
For the price of it, the money would be better invested in the ICE California van, with rock solid residuals and a far greater vehicle.
I would say the review is pretty poor and biased to be honest. You are comparing a van with C-segment vechicles that the only thing that they have in common is that they are electric. If you would compare it with an EQV, e-spacetourer or similar, that would make much more sense.
The main thing they have in common is the battery which seeing as it's now in a van and not a C segment vehicle means its range is even more compromised. When was the last time a new car had a top speed of 90 mph? The fact this is 100 mph on ID3 and Cupra Born and even Skoda Enyaq just shows you how compromised the Buzz is. And if you do that 90 mph (a speed which it's still possible to do in the UK on non-smart motorways like the M40 without much risk of prosecution) the range drops exponentially.
I was curious when cars had top speeds of 90 mph and I had to go back 50 years; They manufactured the DAF 33 between 1959 and 1961, with over 5,000 units produced. It produced 75 horsepower, which was able to do speeds up of 90 mph (145 km/h)
Terrible review I guess you need to drive an EV in the real world before jumping to conclusions, I did the NC500 in an ID3 with a smaller battery , not once did lack of range ever come into it .
Fair enough if you don’t like EVs then don’t test them ?! All the other reviews of the Buzz came out favourable but you definitely had your mind made up before getting in it . Please don’t review an EV , again stick to GTis
I don't need to test drive an EV in the real world to see how many come onto the used market with very few miles as owners in their thousands realise they aren't fit for purpose. Remember all that chaos at Christmas with people not being able to charge? Did you do the NC500 in the depth of winter?Probably not as you didn't get stranded and die of exposure. As for other reviews being positive, you need to open your mind up to what constitutes a review and what is a social media influencer saying what the manufacturer wants them to say so they can get invited to next event or get that (ICE) press loan car. There's also a massive amount of EV advertising revenue going to publications and some (not all) will allow this to influence reviews. Parkers who I trust more than most gave it 3.5/5, I wouldn't call that favourable but if you are a 7/10 guy then fill your boots.
I don't think telling me to stick to GTIs just because you don't like my subjective verdict on an EV as you are an EV owner is a particularly mature response. Just look at ID3 prices on the used market, nobody needs to listen to my opinion as the massive depreciation they are encountering says it all and VW prostituting their heritage in the name of massive profit margins with an even more flawed EV trinket isn't going to change anything there.
@@volkswizard Looks like I touched a nerve and you don’t take criticism very well , this time last year you couldn’t buy an EV for love nor money , then electricity went up and Tesla dropped there prices , plus supply is a lot quicker now hence the market as dropped to we’re it should be , not that it bothers me as I’m not selling . As for the queuing thing at Christmas, did you forget about the fuel shortage the other year ? Plus a lot of queuing at EV chargers are mostly down to owners not finding alternative chargers nearby . You do realise the EV owners are driving all over Europe without issue ? The NC 500 as been done in the depths of winter many times , by folk like yourself as well . I don’t think an afternoon driving around Millbrook gives anyone the slightest idea of long term EV ownership , but you seemed to think it just isn’t doable , there are chargers out in the places people want to camp you know .
So your review was just full of misinformation fuelled by your own biased opinions. I’ve owned an EV for 2 years and 20000 miles and your trying to tell me they won’t work in the real world ? Have a look at RSymons channel , he’s a petrol head and nearly every week he shows how EVs are more than capable out in the real world. And for the record I was driving around in a Mk1 GTi when you still had the poster on your bedroom wall and yes I still love GTis which is why I watch the channel , so please stick to what you know and not what you think you know .
It's a terrible vehicle please tell me where the £70k value is in it??
I own 3 vws so am not prejudiced at all & this is a true embarrassment from vw
Great content Andrew as always and glad some commonsense prevails - we expect more from manufacturers in regards to EV innovation including weight reduction and this marketing exercise needs to be debunked for its flaws of which you have honestly cited 🎯👏
This or a Range Rover Velar for a Family....I think i'd pick this quite easily.
That's not really the only choice out there though is it? Most families would suit an estate car which is far more efficient whether ICE or EV
This or a Range Rover Velar for a Family, in this scenario the Velar is such an obvious choice, it beats it on every meaningful measurable metric.
@@volkswizard true but not many estate look this cool..and thats what really matters...Audi TT, Beetle, Merc SLK etc etc all did the same thing...not much substance but looked good and sold like hot cakes.
@@andrewhouldcroft1116 nah....build quality...coolness, breaking down, bits falling off, mpg, resale value, looking cool,
It needs a diesel engine 💪
EA888 ID Buzz R! Or clubsport!
@@danielrussell446 definitely R 🙏🙏
The public DO seem to want EVs.. The Tesla Model Y is now the best-selling car IN THE WORLD, and that's only the start...
There's little issue with new sales of EVs as most buyers are fleet or business and benefiting from massive savings in Benefit in Kind tax that make all the compromises worthwhile assuming they really aren't a car person. However on the used market things are a lot less rosy with main big dealer groups not buying used EVs because demand is unpredictable and as a result a very steep initial depreciation curve. You may think this doesn't matter if new sales are OK but the cost to finance any new car depends on how much it depreciates in the first 3-5 years and on this basis, assuming manufacturers aren't subsidising the intial finance, it will cost a lot more to PCP an EV than the equivalent ICE. For example I recently say 2019 E Golf sell for £12k in the trade with average mileage which a 2019 Golf GTI Performance which had around the same RRP when new would be around double that.
They're company cars so it makes sense,
The public ain't buying them & in a few years the government will change the tax band as they're losing to much revenue
£64k!! for a so called cool image vehicle, Wow. personally i think its ugly as hell and the front looks like the grinch crossed with a multipla but each to their own, i get why people think they look cool in them but not for me thank you.
Long live 1969
EV definitely has its place and it looks a great car. Very expensive
Give me a mk2 golf Gti 8v/r32 any day :)
Great video
Vdub
68k for a vw no thanks but it will pay for diesel gate payouts
Dieselgate is the albatross most other manufacturers don't have hanging over them and one which in the longer term could be seen as the beginning of the end for VW unless they start manufacturing what people actually want. Kia/Hyundai make EVs but they are fund motorsport and the N brand is going from strength to strength.
Over priced , range if raining etc cannot see 250 miles terrible charging network, electric costs are soaring! and battery life like any battery will degrade over time. I will stick with my Golf R !!!.
Do you think that a combination of high initial price, high insurance and severe depreciation will largely restrict EVs to business users who enjoy generous tax breaks?
Car dealers are already seeing that,
2nd hand prices are terrible
EVs are not the answer, yet. keep buying the ice cars because the governments are coming for them in short term.
It looks nice, for me it has curb appeal.
As I have no belief battery technology will save the planet, I wait the H2 version, if it ever arrives.
Curb appeal is useful but we need to remember that the underlying purpose of a car is go from A to B efficiently, reliably and, as we've got used to since the 1950s, to do this without requiring any more planning than locating one of the 1000s of petrol stations. Going over 90mph occasionally might be nice too, something else cars have been able to do since 1950 :)
@@volkswizard Yes you are right.
I take it VW reduced speed to get a satisfactory battery autonomy.
Hopefully a H2-ICE or H2-Fuel Cell can perform better.
If VW don't deliver an H2 version, I would stick with a classic petrol engine version. They have curb appeal + the cool factor.
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Its a car for a hippie turned yuppie
What an absolute con!
70k?
And when the price of juice skyrockets (which it has to and I'm bored of explaining why, but tax), this is going to be monstrously expensive to have.
Thankfully this 2.5t lump is here to save the planet from the evil up! Ps, vegan leather is plastic which is oil😮
Appreciate the no-bull account of this car. I'm sure VW don't 😅
How many milk bottles would you say it could handle on an early morning trip around a housing estate?🤔😉
Volkswagen don't make a good electric vehicle, unless you count the taycan / e-tron gt rs
Etron gt is an absolute shocker too,
My mates just sent his back after owning it from new for a month
Worse car he's ever owned
Those cars are £80k+ so not really mass market. If it wasn't for the Benefit In Kind tax benefits I don't think people would be paying RS6 money for those
A truly awful vehicle, and is exactly what an electric vehicle shouldn't be. But, there will be people who absolutely love the thing.
Drove one last week and found the driving position really strange. You sit a very long way back and so have a lot of metal roof above and in front of you. Like driving from the back seat. Very odd feeling. General visibility wasn’t great either but big thing was the poor range. It was not great at the start but was then dropping a mile a minute. Real shame. It does look nice. A hybrid version with a small battery would make much more sense.
With no ICE why did they set the driving position so far back compared to the T6.1 which has an engine up front? That will compromise space in the camper version. And the range is pathetic. I would require proof that it will go 1000 kms in winter when fully loaded with the A/C on and heated seats in operation.
@@yasi4877 maybe crash testing. I don’t know, but you feel a long way back and yes it does compromise space. Floor is high as well because of batteries.
You say cash in on the hype, Golf R for over 50k, with cheapo cabin materials, your having a laugh!!!! Thats the VW way now. Thats why I put my money elsewhere
I like it, but the rush to all electric feels way too fast. I do not think the average person is ready, financially or otherwise. VW should offer a gas or hybrid version of this. It seems, like most cars now, too expensive.
You lost credibility as a reviewer the moment you said 'I don't like electric cars'... you just aint cool enough for it obviously ;-)
There's nothing cool about buying the latest trinket aimed at those with more money than sense :) Also it's impossible for a car dealer like me to like EVs when data suggests that EVs on average will lose 51 percent of their purchase value from 2020 to 2023, compared to just 37 percent for petrol vehicles. This equates to a massive £15,220 loss for EV owners, while petrol vehicles lose £9,901. Now that ain't cool 🤨
Hi Andrew whilst I like the look of the ID Buzz it does seem expensive for what it is it will sell as it’s a Volkswagen but doesn’t seem to have the quality and seems more style than substance
Hi Daniel, it's expensive and flawed as an A-B device, even more than the average EV
Terrible review. You never wanted to like it. And you were so uninterested throughout the video!
It's so rubbish only a mother could love it 😂
£68k for a recycled interior & 90mph 😢
I feel like I need to be sick in it to add a bit of Colour.
I agree it's a turkey. I don't see a queue of people with 68k burning a hole in their pockets. Neither will VW I'll wager. The interior has the whiff of a 30k motor; and 2.5 tonnes? Ridiculous. And I think the front treatment is terrible: really heavy-handed. Was the wind-noise as bad as it sounded?
Whens the diesel out 😂😂
2031🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Looks like the Crazy Frog from the front suppose it’s matches the crazy price
Seen one on the road they do look really cool? For 68k and I was in the market for a people and load lugger would buy a nice spec diesel Transporter which seem to hold their value really well.
They do look cool but cars aren't for looking at
I'm a fan of vans and had lots of them but we don't love vans for their engines.
Diesel engines are noisy, smelly and a liability but are cheaper to buy of course.
The 250 miles range is the best you will ever get, a cold wet day in winter, well you better have plenty of time to keep charging. The price tag is a shock too.
If you really want a good two & half ton vehicle get a Bentley Bentayga, nothing wrong with SUVs
I bet early Bentayga's aren't that far from £70k now too and that's a proper bit of VW engineering not a battery powered skateboard
I wish I didn't have to share roads with people who go more than 200 miles without a break. After your first rapid charge, range will improve as the battery temperature will shoot up. Saying that, this van is too expensive and like with all VWs, the infotainment unit will probably keep dying on you. Also the front assist radar is way too exposed and costs way too much to replace and calibrate.
A fool and his money are soon parted.
P R O M O S M
If no one buys it VW may get the message but doubt that will be the case.
Almost £70k??? It's simply not worth that. It's a £40k van at most.
Plastic Rubbish 😁 My dealer had about ten tho all sold ready to go out !!!, But not for me.... No thank you Sir
Hmmm £70k , well overpriced... that's a used Alpine A110 and a 2 year old VW ID4....now let me think......🤔 Should be priced circa 35k for a base model. It would fly off the forecourts.
Plastic wood… plastic lives, it can buzz off
This van is like the festivals these days …. Overpriced , over-hyped , trying to be cool , and strictly for the middle class wannabe hippy pretend surfer people who haven’t got a clue …… I think you will agree on that too 😂
I’m a real hippy surfer with a golf r estate and a big converted crafter 😂😂 have you seen how they get the minerals for the battery’s !!!!!! Talk about going back in time …….. loving your vids at the minute … your honesty is cracking me up 😂🎉🎉🎉
Andrew loving all the EV nutters having a melt down because you criticised a Vw . How dare you criticise a Vw and a electric Vw . FairPlay to you . 😂😂😂😂
Thanks Wayne, it's like the Emperor's New Clothes all over again en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes
Hmmm, AUD $130k! Yep, I can see these selling like hot cakes down under…😂.
That’s obvious it’s an EV it will always an emotive dud..
I don't hate the looks of this but I dislike it in every other way. I would love buyers to ignore these EVs and continue to purchase the often excellent petrol and diesel alternatives. EVs are massively overly-priced, generally one-trick ponies, a pain for most people with regards to charging and range anxiety and nowhere near as cheap to run and they're pushed as being. Money down the drain in my opinion.
I'd BUZZard! £68k Ha ha.
Really enjoy all your videos.
Overpriced!!
Ev……il