The killing time is what makes me sick to my stomach. Time was the least he was killing, he was killing her! That's a very smarty pants confession of what he did..."killing her in time." Would've been easier for him first to confess but now it'll be a lot more charges to count, including instruction of justice during investigation for knowingly he said he didn't know when he was the perpetrator. I still think he knock momma or took advantage when she was under her meds for both mom and daughter used meds. He could probably put something extra in the drinks to knock them out and also to take her medications for himself. This psycho knew his preys too well. I'm still thinking Maddie was pregnant, that's the only reason he returned...not because he loved Jen. Maybe Maddie called him to put the boundaries and he killed her. I'm also in the thought of, if she wanted to live "in the woods," she may mentioned it to him and her own reasons, and could've run away of the car and he run after her to submit her to more nastiness and that's when the blunt head trauma comes from. I wonder how many times he brought her to school and how many of those times she was "excused" and she never got there because he was abusing her.
The very first thing that struck me and stuck in my gut, was seeing the mother comforting him. Prior to me, knowing anything about the case that stuck with me I thought why is she comforting him? It’s not even his blood daughter they weren’t married. Why isn’t he comforting her? Why weren’t they showing pictures and describing her what she had on I immediately knew something was wrong, as far as the video, he just walked himself in so deep knows absolutely nothing about kids. No child wants to go to school any earlier than they have to. He said they got up around seven which is early for them and they were out the door by 730. Are you kidding me? My two teenage boys wouldn’t even be out of the shower in 15 minutes. There’s no way a girl at that age right after her birthday wants to go to school looking like a messand rushing out the door. Then top it all off with her, not wanting McDonald’s and leaving her phone behind. Are you kidding me? They should’ve put the cuffs on them right then.
She did go up to him, but what was going on at the time, comforting was not in order. People will go to others hug and touch because THEY are the one needing comforting. Just like people say I love you because they want you to say it back.
You are not alone with that first thing snatching our attention was THAT!! It felt like a lightening bolt struck me. I literally started crying is how deeply I felt that. 💕
Good point Vin! No one would have seen the car that early. I completely concur that no kid would agree to go to school early. They would be like “why?”. I pray we find out where and when this crime took place. If it was head trauma there has to be blood. I wish we could just rewind and save her!
Used to bring my son earlier for school because of work but his descriptions are so nasty and obvious. When you bring your son or daughter earlier, you stay until there's another friend or teacher, you take care of their safety. You watch the school is open, and coming earlier, you never ever, ever, leave your kid any other place but school, period! I'm thinking a problem with a child is a whole family business..., he sound he was taking a high with Jen's medications. He wants to go for the psych card. Let's wait for verdicts and conclusions. I like #1 song.
We cannot know how Maddie felt about him. We do not know if she saw him as a stepfather. I realize people think because of the abuse that she despised him but so far, it appears she never told. She continued to sleep in the same bed with him. Engage in watching TV together (that is in court documents). She was groomed and when you are groomed, the abuser builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child. I think we could safely say that she more likely had conflicted feelings, at least.
@@jenmonsanto4016 The affidavit charging Sterns with her demise says quote, "on or between the 25th day of February 2024 and the 27th day of February 2024". That is 100% verifiable. He was charged after the autopsy. So there is some room. Consider this...if she was offed on the night of the 25-26 she would have been in rigor mortis. How can a stiff person bend, sit in the front seat and slump to the side? We simply do not know exactly when it happened. Police just said they "believe" she was already gone. Sherriff Mina said that in the first press conference. Verifiable.
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Is there any truth or meaning to her wanting to run away to the woods? Kids are known to mention that. My brother said he wanted to, to this wooded area up the street from our childhood home. He wasn't abused or had anything going on with our family to say that. It's just something he'd say from time to time. My 2 kids said they wanted to do an over night in the woods on our property. I can't remember how old they were at the time, but they were young. I think the fascination and kids' imaginations about the woods have them saying that. Just because Maddie mentioned it doesn't mean she was trying to escape Stephan. It's a possibility, sure but not necessarily the truth.
What does that even mean? Most of the population has very dark eyes. As someone with very dark eyes, it bothers me to continually see the statement, but maybe I'm not understanding. My eyes are so dark you can't see the pupils. but I would never hurt anyone. I'm vegan and won't even kill spiders.
It is just so horrible he had to come back in Maddie, s life after being gone for so long .She was probably horrified when she knew he was picking her up at her birthday party .Poor girl .I am a survivor from my own father. He was violent, especially when he was afraid he would be found out when I got older .I have 0 empathy for pedophile s.
When she asks him the first question.....that heavy sigh and the way he starts belting out that very rehearsed-sounding "So we woke up early...the plan was, we were gonna get McDonalds...." to me is so fake already!! I honestly was gonna try to wait and see when I felt he sounded guilty and that right there did it for me! I say that as if I didn't know him or his story either....I tried!
When they did the initial interviews to say she was missing as soon as a guy started talking about dropping her off I knew he was lying. BUT, if you're going by this particular interview: second interview with cops. As soon as he says she didn't want McDonald's.. liar liar pants on fire. There's not a teenager in the world who would not want to stop somewhere for breakfast on the way to school. If you were discussing it the night before and they like McDonald's.
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I can't believe he continued with the story because she never sounds like she believed him for the start! My face would've shut him down at the first whimper. 🤨
As a 12 year old girl scout our troop every year put flags on the graves of every soldier headstone at my cities VA memorial. I'm now 56 but remember how massive the site was. The headstones seemed endless. But even at that young I was able to feel and appreciate the sacrifice. We did it for many years. I'm excited to take my grandson there. It's a wonderful way to teach gratitude I feel. Thank you for all that serve! 💯
Also wondering why hasnt her lawer come out and speak on her behalf 🤔 or is that left for the end if and when she Jen gets chraged? Maddie was most likely going to talk. My heart breaks when I watch Maddie at her bday outside with her beautiful dress 👗 like dancing in the air that beautiful blue sky. Sad
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He is stressed and grieving tears for himself in the videos, and the mom is guilty of knowing she literally gave her child to that predator. Had she been a good innocent mother, then she would have known long ago that her child was being assaulted. I say check mom for some legit mental retardation interference, otherwise charge her as an accomplice. Mom needs to be charged too!
There’s also a weird timeline problem. He talks about going home for “an hour” but then says he leaves again at 11:00 AM. That’s a heck of a long hour.
What if JS did it and SS is covering for her? He knows he is going down for the SA so why not try to keep her out of prison? Perhaps they haven’t declared it a DP case bc they are thinking it may incentivize him to testify against her? If she is inpatient in a psychiatric facility, does LE have to wait until she is released to arrest her? I’m not sure how it works in Florida since I don’t live there.
Its just so very sad, that every damn day of that childs life, was to live in dread of going home to be mauld by a sorry pos like him! And the frosting on the cake is your own mother is good with that?! Well, I hope the inmates give him the justice he deserves.
I literally AM a redheaded stepchild. But not a bastard one at least, 😅. Still I use the term redheaded step child all of the time. It gives me a giggle.
I feel like Maddies Bio dad needs to push for charges to be brought on Jen. I think if bio Dad started to speak out and get much louder in the media and with the police about Jens neglect and put pressure on the DA that they would listen far better than us ( social media) pushing it. He seems like he might be too nice and non confrontational so he might not want to even start talking like that until they are 100% sure she is guilty.
Its also a known fact that child sexual predators use "babish" or childlike language or knicknames in their communication with children, such as "poo poo". They specifically use this style when referring to private areas such as wee wee, little sausage, ginny gina, love spot etc. This is why parents MUST teach children to use the correct language for genetils without embarrassment or shame. Not many people realise this but it is a preventative measure as CSO are usually put off by this!
When he was sitting behind Jenn ...he was moving around, he could not stay still. Jenn was giving an interview to a reporter . We said, then he looked guilty
The other part of the McDonald’s story that doesn’t ring true is when Stephan said he asked Maddie if she still wanted to go when they got there. Who does that? If I have made plans with someone to eat at a restaurant, I never ask if they still want to go once we get there. What a weirdo. 🤥
I think what makes this horrific story so intriguing is these two are terrible liars .Both Stephan and Jenn anytime I see them I think are they that clueless to think they are believable ?
Vinnie I have a crazy idea !! Its about their lifestyle and if nudity is part of it for example and if they hit any beaches if that is the case then Jen the mother would be easily charged. Well it all ties together, sleeping arrangements is not jus arrangements it has to be a part of a certain lifestyle. Long ago when I was in school one of the girls was open speaking about that the whole family are nudists and its normal to them. I was young and never understood it except we all felt that was wrong and weird. Now a days so many crazy things are happening I wonder.
The mother needs to be in handcuffs… I have never heard of a 13 year old girl snuggling with her stepfather… And mom’s sending them to sleep together???? Like wtf?
I love the way you guys interact. Always fun and a pleasure even when the subject matter is so serious. It gives us some much needed comedy relief as we analyze things that upset us so much. Thanks Vinnie and friends.
Love the first song! Vinnie and The Tangents! My guys are fighting crime one podcast at a time! I'm so glad you changed the name in my honor 😂! I need a shirt!!
Thanks for the reminder on what Memorial Day actually is and the info I didn’t know! I think a lot of us forget or there’s some unfortunately that don’t care!
Maddie never made it home after the birthday party, I think he took her somewhere and drugged the hell out her after he was done. That's why she looks like she's sleeping in the car. He might have overdosed her. Just my thoughts.
I was talking about going from one location to another and he said it’s a straight shot. I swear I feel like this guy has so much leakage says things that indicate his guilt not saying he used a gun to kill her, but maybe he used it to control her.
THERES ENOUGH NEGLECT TO CHARGE JEN
Why hasn’t she been charged yet?
Definitely there’s more than enough.
Juan, I Have Said Since The Mom’s First Interview That She Is Involved. 💯%
@@tracietaylormaddocks7114 so have I, and taken a lot of flack for it
She's in it up to her neck
@@astroterf. - I would say she’s in it up to her eyeballs!👀👁️👁️👀
He mentions that they were in a hurry to get out the door. Then proceeds to talk about driving around to kill time.
Right? Eww.
Stephan was dropping clues and hints of the truth when talking to the 2 police. Like Jennifer had a blood appointment. Listen to it till it make sense
He was in a hurry to get out the door before Jen woke up.
The killing time is what makes me sick to my stomach. Time was the least he was killing, he was killing her! That's a very smarty pants confession of what he did..."killing her in time."
Would've been easier for him first to confess but now it'll be a lot more charges to count, including instruction of justice during investigation for knowingly he said he didn't know when he was the perpetrator. I still think he knock momma or took advantage when she was under her meds for both mom and daughter used meds. He could probably put something extra in the drinks to knock them out and also to take her medications for himself. This psycho knew his preys too well. I'm still thinking Maddie was pregnant, that's the only reason he returned...not because he loved Jen. Maybe Maddie called him to put the boundaries and he killed her. I'm also in the thought of, if she wanted to live "in the woods," she may mentioned it to him and her own reasons, and could've run away of the car and he run after her to submit her to more nastiness and that's when the blunt head trauma comes from. I wonder how many times he brought her to school and how many of those times she was "excused" and she never got there because he was abusing her.
The very first thing that struck me and stuck in my gut, was seeing the mother comforting him. Prior to me, knowing anything about the case that stuck with me I thought why is she comforting him? It’s not even his blood daughter they weren’t married. Why isn’t he comforting her? Why weren’t they showing pictures and describing her what she had on I immediately knew something was wrong, as far as the video, he just walked himself in so deep knows absolutely nothing about kids. No child wants to go to school any earlier than they have to. He said they got up around seven which is early for them and they were out the door by 730. Are you kidding me? My two teenage boys wouldn’t even be out of the shower in 15 minutes. There’s no way a girl at that age right after her birthday wants to go to school looking like a messand rushing out the door. Then top it all off with her, not wanting McDonald’s and leaving her phone behind. Are you kidding me? They should’ve put the cuffs on them right then.
And up and ready to go to school early and yet sleeping in the car on the way....mmmmkay
She did go up to him, but what was going on at the time, comforting was not in order. People will go to others hug and touch because THEY are the one needing comforting. Just like people say I love you because they want you to say it back.
You are not alone with that first thing snatching our attention was THAT!! It felt like a lightening bolt struck me. I literally started crying is how deeply I felt that. 💕
Omg everytime he said "plenty time to kill" gets my arm hairs up.
And he said " 86'd that " which is slang for murder. He speaks with a lot of spillage !!
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She was drugged
Yeah the danish was “amped up “ !!!
@@kerristewart3481 i learned 86 working with food. its very common saying in the food industry.
He deliberately tries to make his voice sound meek. I hate his voice
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Hopefully his cell mate won't like it either when he gets to prison and sticks something in it so he can't talk.😂😂
Jen needs to go to jail!!!!!
I Believe Jen Was Involved From Her First Interview!!!
So I Completely Agree With You ✌🏼
Agree with you both!!
I agree with all 3 of you! 👍🏻 I wonder how long before Jenn is behind bars?
I reckon she’s aiming for. a plea deal, to testify against Stephan
If she gets a plea deal I hope jailhouse justice evens the score!
He struck gold in his eyes - an emotionally needy woman who would financially support him, and she had a daughter!
All that Gold ✨️✨️turned to mud. He is a fool. 🤡
Both need to go to jail… poor beautiful Maddie🥺
Good point Vin! No one would have seen the car that early. I completely concur that no kid would agree to go to school early. They would be like “why?”. I pray we find out where and when this crime took place. If it was head trauma there has to be blood. I wish we could just rewind and save her!
Used to bring my son earlier for school because of work but his descriptions are so nasty and obvious. When you bring your son or daughter earlier, you stay until there's another friend or teacher, you take care of their safety. You watch the school is open, and coming earlier, you never ever, ever, leave your kid any other place but school, period! I'm thinking a problem with a child is a whole family business..., he sound he was taking a high with Jen's medications. He wants to go for the psych card. Let's wait for verdicts and conclusions.
I like #1 song.
@@MartaIreneSeguinotTorres yes that is completely expectable when u have a reason to take them early!!☺️
Girls like to get there early to socialize before class.
Do you guys think she might have been pregnant??? If she was carrying a child does that count for two murders???
I think Maddie was Pregnant!
He IMAGINED that she said “I love you” she probably told him the opposite and he lost it
We cannot know how Maddie felt about him. We do not know if she saw him as a stepfather. I realize people think because of the abuse that she despised him but so far, it appears she never told. She continued to sleep in the same bed with him. Engage in watching TV together (that is in court documents). She was groomed and when you are groomed, the abuser builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child. I think we could safely say that she more likely had conflicted feelings, at least.
That obviously didn't happen because she was already dead. He is pure Evil
She was dead by then though. Street cam recorded her slumped over in the car before he "dropped her off"
@@jenmonsanto4016 The affidavit charging Sterns with her demise says quote, "on or between the 25th day of February 2024 and the 27th day of February 2024". That is 100% verifiable. He was charged after the autopsy. So there is some room. Consider this...if she was offed on the night of the 25-26 she would have been in rigor mortis. How can a stiff person bend, sit in the front seat and slump to the side? We simply do not know exactly when it happened. Police just said they "believe" she was already gone. Sherriff Mina said that in the first press conference. Verifiable.
I would bet money on it that Maddie, never replied...back ..I Love You too...NO WAY
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Didn’t he also say an iso update, but he doesn’t have an iPhone? The pis is cooked!
Not too mention what girl gets up at 7:15 am and out the door by 7:30???? That right there made no sense
I mean that’s not really a valid argument. My sisters gets ready in minutes. Not every teenage girl goes in the bathroom for an hour to get ready.
Lol I used to be 😂 out the door for my paper round 5m after getting out of bed, then running home red-faced to (try) and catch my school bus 😆
Sterns said they were riding her to get out the door faster or something
11:27 “She was asleep most of the time.” BING!!
If she was asleep most of the time, she seems to have been answering a lot of his questions ie. MacDonalds, where do you want to be dropped off, etc.
As soon as he sighed trying to sound innocent!
I knew he was guilty as soon as I saw his face while he talked about it. With out even talking I thought he looked guilty.
These scars never go away. Im very much alive and living with the trauma from 1x this happening to me.
I’m 60 years old, it’s still traumatizing after 50 years
Karen I'm so sad to hear this but you're a true inspiration. I pray each day gets easier. Thank you for sharing your story x
At the very least this mother ignored red flags. The SA was so frequent and brutal that there had to be red flags
I never let off any flags. I lived with a mother and father. Mom was a stay at home mom. They didn't know.
@@MM-ik7csdid your mother put you in bed with her own boyfriend? No, didn't think so
Please cut out the apologetics, she knew
Right. Every case is different
She knew and allowed it!
@@musicfanhawk4523 Please show me your source for this
What child who was planning to run away denies McDonald’s in advance!!
If Maddie was planning on running away to go live in the woods, you know he is lying because Maddie would’ve NEVER turned down McD breakfast!!
She was not planning to run away.
Definitely even I love McDonald's when somebody mentions it And I'm 64 years old. This man is sick gross pig 🐷🐷🐷🐷
Depends on how often you go.
Is there any truth or meaning to her wanting to run away to the woods?
Kids are known to mention that.
My brother said he wanted to, to this wooded area up the street from our childhood home.
He wasn't abused or had anything going on with our family to say that. It's just something he'd say from time to time.
My 2 kids said they wanted to do an over night in the woods on our property. I can't remember how old they were at the time, but they were young.
I think the fascination and kids' imaginations about the woods have them saying that.
Just because Maddie mentioned it doesn't mean she was trying to escape Stephan.
It's a possibility, sure but not necessarily the truth.
Sterns: “ We got to McDonald’s…close to McDonald’s…”
Jen Soto: “we dropped her off at the school…close to the school…”
Scripted verbiage!
It's how liars lie,try to confuse the easiest of answers with their web of irrelevant info..smoke n mirrors all day,every day🤨🧐🫤
And he’s a bad liar.
He left early because he wanted to get out before Jen woke up and seen what he did.
He has Dark Evil Eyes! I knew someone like that and when she got mad her eyes turned BLACK AS HELL
I knew someone like that too, I was sitting across from her, and saw her eyes turn “BLACK AS HELL”, it was disturbing.
i had an ex whos eyes turned black when he was mad. freaked me the hell out
I agree
What does that even mean? Most of the population has very dark eyes. As someone with very dark eyes, it bothers me to continually see the statement, but maybe I'm not understanding. My eyes are so dark you can't see the pupils. but I would never hurt anyone. I'm vegan and won't even kill spiders.
That's demonic. 😮
His whole time line is bunk!
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All through the interview- he talks about rushing with plenty of time. Makes no sense.
His tone in his voice never changes! Here is your sign!
He whines!
That's the cowardly lion voice on The Wizard of Oz 😂😂😂
I’m more frantic than he is when I let my dogs out and they’re gone longer than a minute!
That would be me😂
Vinny is so so funny he makes me laught ,All the best from London 😂He’s such a laugh
Gag , she was very loving! He’s revolting
It is just so horrible he had to come back in Maddie, s life after being gone for so long .She was probably horrified when she knew he was picking her up at her birthday party .Poor girl .I am a survivor from my own father. He was violent, especially when he was afraid he would be found out when I got older .I have 0 empathy for pedophile s.
When she asks him the first question.....that heavy sigh and the way he starts belting out that very rehearsed-sounding "So we woke up early...the plan was, we were gonna get McDonalds...." to me is so fake already!! I honestly was gonna try to wait and see when I felt he sounded guilty and that right there did it for me! I say that as if I didn't know him or his story either....I tried!
She wouldn’t need her headphones if she didn’t have her phone on her.
The voice alone lol
As soon as he opens his mouth that creep is lying!
I think he 86d the McDonalds because he knew they have cameras and wouldn’t be seen on them.
11:59 Who brings danishes from home when you’re going to McDonald’s??
And to my knowledge, Entenmann’s doesn’t sell prepackaged raspberry danish unless you purchase the larger ones from a gas or convenience store.
NO ONE!
How did Jenn see her at 8 getting dressed if they left by 7:45 for McDonald’s.
Boom rite on
1:10:57 “I have such a great relationship with Maddie; but Jenn and Maddie fight because they have PMS.” Oh geesh.
When they did the initial interviews to say she was missing as soon as a guy started talking about dropping her off I knew he was lying.
BUT, if you're going by this particular interview: second interview with cops. As soon as he says she didn't want McDonald's.. liar liar pants on fire. There's not a teenager in the world who would not want to stop somewhere for breakfast on the way to school. If you were discussing it the night before and they like McDonald's.
Gotta love this crew.
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Beautifully said...Regards, @legalweapon3
Amen. 🇺🇸 ❤️ 🤍 💙
1:09:40 And Thank God she was the only child, Jen was such a terrible mother! Poor poor Maddie, RIP💙.
Stephan: "that's when WE got the call"
Officer: "WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU GOT THE CALL?"
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I can't believe he continued with the story because she never sounds like she believed him for the start! My face would've shut him down at the first whimper. 🤨
As a 12 year old girl scout our troop every year put flags on the graves of every soldier headstone at my cities VA memorial. I'm now 56 but remember how massive the site was. The headstones seemed endless. But even at that young I was able to feel and appreciate the sacrifice. We did it for many years. I'm excited to take my grandson there. It's a wonderful way to teach gratitude I feel.
Thank you for all that serve! 💯
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Love the Tangent Fridays!!
Also wondering why hasnt her lawer come out and speak on her behalf 🤔 or is that left for the end if and when she Jen gets chraged? Maddie was most likely going to talk. My heart breaks when I watch Maddie at her bday outside with her beautiful dress 👗 like dancing in the air that beautiful blue sky. Sad
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He is stressed and grieving tears for himself in the videos, and the mom is guilty of knowing she literally gave her child to that predator. Had she been a good innocent mother, then she would have known long ago that her child was being assaulted. I say check mom for some legit mental retardation interference, otherwise charge her as an accomplice. Mom needs to be charged too!
There’s also a weird timeline problem. He talks about going home for “an hour” but then says he leaves again at 11:00 AM. That’s a heck of a long hour.
50:58 “I had a couple errands to run.” I’ll bet you did…..
What if JS did it and SS is covering for her? He knows he is going down for the SA so why not try to keep her out of prison? Perhaps they haven’t declared it a DP case bc they are thinking it may incentivize him to testify against her? If she is inpatient in a psychiatric facility, does LE have to wait until she is released to arrest her? I’m not sure how it works in Florida since I don’t live there.
I feel he's far too narcissistic to cover for anyone for any reason. You never know.
@@LibertyStation92106 good point. For some reason I haven’t been able to get past the awful vibes from Jen since that very first interview.
Its just so very sad, that every damn day of that childs life, was to live in dread of going home to be mauld by a sorry pos like him! And the frosting on the cake is your own mother is good with that?!
Well, I hope the inmates give him the justice he deserves.
Yessss I sure hope the “ inmates” take Very Good care of him!! 😉
I literally AM a redheaded stepchild. But not a bastard one at least, 😅. Still I use the term redheaded step child all of the time. It gives me a giggle.
these three together 🔥 gotta love them!
Thanks Melly my dear- Regards, @legalweapon3
I picked my son up from school listening to your video and my son yells “pickle juice guy!!” 😆
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No child would NORMALLY say no but maybe she said NO to more than McD. I’m hoping like mad that she wasn’t pregnant.. SOMETHING was the catalyst.
She was long dead be4 he left so thier was never a plan to go to Mc Dee's
@@LeeAnn19697 I agree with you. McDonald’s, danishes, gate clicker, vape juice… all lies he made up to try to cover his tracks!
Sad. Considering what he had been doing to her for many years, I feel it would be no surprise if she was pregnant, which changes ALL the dynamics. 😢
EXACTLY....
He left his phone and Maddies phone, so he could not be pinged
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I feel like Maddies Bio dad needs to push for charges to be brought on Jen. I think if bio Dad started to speak out and get much louder in the media and with the police about Jens neglect and put pressure on the DA that they would listen far better than us ( social media) pushing it.
He seems like he might be too nice and non confrontational so he might not want to even start talking like that until they are 100% sure she is guilty.
No McDonald’s was a red flag to me as well. Why? What happened at that time to “change her mind” and say NO to McDonald’s!
Don’t feel bad if you can’t retire at 65. Even The Rolling Stones have to keep working at 80!
They don't have to.... They want to. There is a difference and they aren't digging ditches are they
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The songs🎉🎉🎉🎉💃🏻🕺🏼💃🏻🕺🏼 VINNIE AND THE TANGENTS!!! I love it😂😂.
I like the first one better 😂😂
Wait…. I just had a thought. If she was snoozin’ away the whole time, how were they having these conversations about McDonald’s??
Its also a known fact that child sexual predators use "babish" or childlike language or knicknames in their communication with children, such as "poo poo". They specifically use this style when referring to private areas such as wee wee, little sausage, ginny gina, love spot etc. This is why parents MUST teach children to use the correct language for genetils without embarrassment or shame. Not many people realise this but it is a preventative measure as CSO are usually put off by this!
When he was sitting behind Jenn ...he was moving around, he could not stay still.
Jenn was giving an interview to a reporter .
We said, then he looked guilty
Yes Remembrance Day is 11th November in the U.K.
The other part of the McDonald’s story that doesn’t ring true is when Stephan said he asked Maddie if she still wanted to go when they got there. Who does that? If I have made plans with someone to eat at a restaurant, I never ask if they still want to go once we get there. What a weirdo. 🤥
It's SO sickening how he repeatedly tries to paint himself out to be this wonderful and caring step parent. He is VILE.
He said it was a NEW phone. Who factory resests a new phone or needs to update?
I think what makes this horrific story so intriguing is these two are terrible liars .Both Stephan and Jenn anytime I see them I think are they that clueless to think they are believable ?
Al is full of so much interesting information. What a smart guy!
Many thanks for the kind words! Regards, @legalweapon3
@@legalweapon3 you’re very knowledgeable, thank you for your insight :)
Agree
Started watching court TV when I was in 6th grade...I'm 40 now😂
Vinne your the best.. saludos
Love you, Vinnie, Al & Jonesie! I loved hearing the origin of Memorial Day! ♥️💋
And we love you!
Thanks for watching...Regards, @legalweapon3
Both songs are fun!
Oh my. So much detail
I Would Like To Watch His Interview With The Detectives.
I'd love, to see his facial expression and body language.
Great video you guys! I love your commentary as you pause different sections of the interview..
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Vinnie I have a crazy idea !! Its about their lifestyle and if nudity is part of it for example and if they hit any beaches if that is the case then Jen the mother would be easily charged. Well it all ties together, sleeping arrangements is not jus arrangements it has to be a part of a certain lifestyle. Long ago when I was in school one of the girls was open speaking about that the whole family are nudists and its normal to them. I was young and never understood it except we all felt that was wrong and weird. Now a days so many crazy things are happening I wonder.
Vinnie! Their stuffed mushrooms! To die for ❤❤❤
I'm really digging the Lowdown Mix!! Awesome! Disco Mix can't touch it!!
Omg he killed her because she started to get her period and therefor, he could no longer “safely” assault her
Agree
Or he got her pregnant
@@Reagan89 that was my second thought
Lol i moved to the south never heard of the Cheesecake Factory 🏭 until I got here from Passaic New Jersey! Y’all made me laugh so much love y’all
The mother needs to be in handcuffs…
I have never heard of a 13 year old girl snuggling with her stepfather…
And mom’s sending them to sleep together????
Like wtf?
I love the way you guys interact. Always fun and a pleasure even when the subject matter is so serious. It gives us some much needed comedy relief as we analyze things that upset us so much. Thanks Vinnie and friends.
Thank you Vinnie for always seeking truth and justice from a system that at times has its flaws Your a warrior for those who need it most.❤
What teenager wants to get up two hours early on a school day
Love the music🎉
Love the first song!
Love the first song! Vinnie and The Tangents! My guys are fighting crime one podcast at a time! I'm so glad you changed the name in my honor 😂! I need a shirt!!
Thanks for the reminder on what Memorial Day actually is and the info I didn’t know! I think a lot of us forget or there’s some unfortunately that don’t care!
My pleasure- Regards, @legalweapon3
raise my hand.. right away.... what. we woke up early ????woke up early start.. McDonald's lies
God bless poor Maddie. Well see you in Heaven where you finally have a great home 😊
Amen. 🙏 💖
Al's looking great, as usual!
Maddie never made it home after the birthday party, I think he took her somewhere and drugged the hell out her after he was done. That's why she looks like she's sleeping in the car. He might have overdosed her. Just my thoughts.
Then why does she have “blunt force trauma”?
So very possible. There is a big blank btwn. the bday party & 7am next morning. 🥲
I caught yall on the watch back or whatever it’s called, I like both those damn versions!!
We still do the poppy’s here in New Hampshire ❤
Jen needs to be in prison child abuse, insects, child trafficking, something is just not right with her
Endangering the welfare of a child / abuse and neglect also
Lying to
Authorities about the timeline
I was talking about going from one location to another and he said it’s a straight shot. I swear I feel like this guy has so much leakage says things that indicate his guilt not saying he used a gun to kill her, but maybe he used it to control her.
Old folks don’t need the history lesson but the younger generation sure need it!
THANKS TO ALL WHO HAVE SERVED. REMEMBER THOSE WHO GAVE THEIR LIFE.
50 minutes before school starts is nuts!
The flat tire he said was on 192 in a shopping plaza, but the witness saw him in St. Cloud on rural road. Another lie.