REEPAH RELL | VS | MACKK MYRON | WGHTV

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  • Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
  • THE MAIN EVENT AND THE 9TH INSTALLMENT FROM THE BEFORE THE HAVOC CARD. CHECK OUT THIS 3 ROUNDER BETWEEN THESE TWO MCS FOLLOW
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  • @DannyTheBarGod
    @DannyTheBarGod 6 лет назад +210

    Rell had dope shit, refrigerate and looking for the Yak all day like the Cherokee, he also had great performance, but he teetered on the edge of redundancy with the over use of Mack flips. Myron on the other was dropping crazy line after crazy and added humor to his range of weapons giving a bit more depth to his material. I thought mack first couldn't be beat, but reepah came off the ropes to take rd 1 while mack got rd 2 and slightly edged 3. This call can easily go the other way but all in all this was a dope battle. They both deserve big battles next

    • @swishag1279
      @swishag1279 6 лет назад +4

      Danny Myers Mack got the first and Rell got 2 and 3

    • @JhaMyL973
      @JhaMyL973 6 лет назад +8

      A lot of those Mack flips HIT HARD!!💪🏾💪🏾

    • @pistoldaone
      @pistoldaone 6 лет назад +6

      Hey danny you should try "Blasphemy Bars" since you call urself a god and all. Shit would be dope right before a parallel universe scheme. YOU'RE WELCOME

    • @incredible0ne
      @incredible0ne 6 лет назад +6

      those mack flips were never used before and hitting just as hard as mackk punches. you forgot highlight of the battle, Mackk's amazing Swave impersonation! #salute #FreeTink

    • @neykosoull
      @neykosoull 6 лет назад +9

      Danny Myers man they should have you on champions, you understand bar material very well my g. Especially after tech9 fucked up with geechi😂

  • @reepahrell
    @reepahrell 6 лет назад +142

    After watching this again I’m punched out 😭😭 we was swinging boy!!! Great shit Mackk!

    • @Lilhuey
      @Lilhuey 6 лет назад +5

      Reepah i fucks wit you....FACTS! not from this earth! Wait and Gwitty is PAYPA (L) FACTS!

    • @reepahrell
      @reepahrell 6 лет назад +5

      Lilhuey appreciate you bro! That real rap #oldheadbars

    • @southside6093
      @southside6093 6 лет назад +9

      reepah rell Y’all niggas showed out and deserve bigger plates fr, 2 of the cultures most underrated. 3-0 fans

    • @views-jb3ms
      @views-jb3ms 6 лет назад +1

      Da isle on they bully lit match fasho

    • @DaRealestme
      @DaRealestme 6 лет назад +2

      reepah rell 🔥🔥🔥

  • @jls.m.o.o.v.2235
    @jls.m.o.o.v.2235 6 лет назад +218

    Mackk Myron vs Jey Da Nitewing🔥

    • @ThaAnalyst
      @ThaAnalyst 6 лет назад +7

      They both on a come up,I feel a better test to see if they ready is a URL gatekeeper

    • @notalentstudios1106
      @notalentstudios1106 6 лет назад +15

      Mackk gonna need... SOME MO NIGGAS

    • @topcat771
      @topcat771 6 лет назад +5

      That would be 🔥🔥🔥

    • @freestyleroller12
      @freestyleroller12 6 лет назад +5

      I want Jey to battle profit. Maybe mack surprise battle vs franchise on SV3 or Franchise vs Jakkboy

    • @jls.m.o.o.v.2235
      @jls.m.o.o.v.2235 6 лет назад +5

      Tha Analyst oh you mean like
      Mackk Myron vs B Magic
      Jey Da Nitewing vs Bangz

  • @rodneysanford127
    @rodneysanford127 6 лет назад +91

    This the first time Mack hasn’t caught a body. Classic battle, both were🔥🔥🔥🔥

    • @rodneysanford127
      @rodneysanford127 6 лет назад +1

      Dooney 30 come on bro what did you watch 🤦🏾‍♂️

    • @Fresco1005
      @Fresco1005 6 лет назад +1

      @brell 2-1-5 White or not those bars we're crazy, a body is body no matter the tone.

    • @Fresco1005
      @Fresco1005 6 лет назад

      @brell 2-1-5 Lmao I was talking about mackk destroying his last two competitors regardless of skin tone.

    • @liverpoolkell3533
      @liverpoolkell3533 6 лет назад

      Facts!!!!

    • @moebetta72
      @moebetta72 6 лет назад

      JC bodied Mackk. Twice

  • @Hollowthagoat
    @Hollowthagoat 6 лет назад +91

    When every round is debatable u know the battle fire

    • @Hollowthagoat
      @Hollowthagoat 6 лет назад +1

      @brell 2-1-5 I've never watched a battle more then once fr I think I gotta rewatch I dont know who won any round battle too fire

    • @Righteousgenius
      @Righteousgenius 6 лет назад +1

      Man like I commented this could damn near b a draw it was so fire. I gave it to rell 2-1 tho

    • @sacramentoshawdy4831
      @sacramentoshawdy4831 6 лет назад +1

      Hollow TV I stopped at this comment before I watched

    • @muhfkajones
      @muhfkajones 4 года назад +2

      I gave it to Mackk 🤷🏿‍♂️

  • @wordplaydemon
    @wordplaydemon 6 лет назад +83

    Rell "You had a bar about a gun and knife? Well we playing 2k, I'm shooting and slashing at the same time I got two archetypes! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @Quarterbank1985
    @Quarterbank1985 6 лет назад +134

    Mack Myron should be on URL or RBE

    • @87Michael
      @87Michael 6 лет назад +2

      Quarterbank BW URL BETTER STOP PLAYING

    • @Bray_Jay
      @Bray_Jay 6 лет назад +5

      He has been on the proving grounds before.

    • @Quarterbank1985
      @Quarterbank1985 6 лет назад +2

      Bray Jay he deserves more than a proving ground

    • @Bray_Jay
      @Bray_Jay 6 лет назад +3

      Quarterbank BW I agree. He can go toe to toe with anybody, with his style of rap.

    • @phenomfacemob1011
      @phenomfacemob1011 6 лет назад +4

      Yea but smack don't want none of his boys to look bad

  • @michealjohnson8715
    @michealjohnson8715 6 лет назад +78

    Reepah rellz FIRST ROUND O MY GOD 😱😱😱😱🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🥶🥶🥶🥶

  • @milly-ion3341
    @milly-ion3341 6 лет назад +53

    Reepah left 🌏 from jump 🔥🔥🔥
    Mack was cooking tho

  • @yaipr12pr40
    @yaipr12pr40 6 лет назад +45

    "original kings of comedy.. ill have this mack fighting w the baby like bust a move " 🔥🔥🔥🔥 laaawd

  • @julianpalm5863
    @julianpalm5863 6 лет назад +31

    Battles are automatically better with Gwitty in the back saying “WHAT ELSE!?”

  • @genesisobscura7165
    @genesisobscura7165 6 лет назад +107

    Clicked on this shit with amazing speed.

    • @southside6093
      @southside6093 6 лет назад +6

      genesis obscura facts my nigga I been asking for this matchup for years

    • @milly-ion3341
      @milly-ion3341 6 лет назад +3

      genesis obscura Facts🔥😂

    • @Righteousgenius
      @Righteousgenius 6 лет назад

      Who u got wit the W Tho fam??

    • @SkyBlew
      @SkyBlew 6 лет назад +3

      Same here 🤣😂 I been hearing people talk about this one. It definitely lived up to the hype!

    • @WesternAveHogRichRollinTrophy
      @WesternAveHogRichRollinTrophy 6 лет назад

      While you were hitting your weed *edit*

  • @HeadHunxho92
    @HeadHunxho92 6 лет назад +46

    8:02 one press power Mack down that sleep mode 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

    • @bassred7065
      @bassred7065 6 лет назад +2

      that bar and refrigerate after opening was 🔥🔥🔥

  • @YaBoiJern757
    @YaBoiJern757 6 лет назад +17

    Two of my favorite battlers ..(proceeds to light my spliff)

  • @DonnyDonDolo
    @DonnyDonDolo 6 лет назад +30

    Lmao been waiting for another Mack battle lol I searched his name today and boom 😭😭😭amazing

  • @SundaeDrives
    @SundaeDrives 6 лет назад +4

    I'm here on the re-watch. One of the best back & forths of '18 along with Danny / Mic & a few others. I'm probably leaning towards Reep but Mackk was incredible too.

  • @OuiKenji
    @OuiKenji 6 лет назад +67

    Whoever you like is who won the battle, shxt was🔥🔥🔥🔥.

  • @Marcus-yb8wp
    @Marcus-yb8wp 6 лет назад +7

    I watch this battle like 20 times and still can’t pick a winner 🔥🔥🔥

  • @BATTLERAPTRAP
    @BATTLERAPTRAP 6 лет назад +27

    Heard Great Things..I'm Tuned In 💯💯

    • @QFerg
      @QFerg 6 лет назад +1

      Henny when is the Trappies? #Killshot

    • @sleaziestking4703
      @sleaziestking4703 6 лет назад

      Mack 2-1

    • @aceleone215
      @aceleone215 6 лет назад

      @@QFerg
      ..HELL YEA..
      1ST ANNUAL TRAPPIES[[TRAP-AWARDS]] GONNA BE CRAAAZY..!!
      🏆 TRAPPiES🏆

  • @incredible0ne
    @incredible0ne 6 лет назад +15

    🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 #WGH Lets Goooo! this battle was crazy on both sides! #hungergamez #FreeTink

  • @positive_vibes_2427
    @positive_vibes_2427 6 лет назад +19

    Can we finally get Mackk to the big stage? Also, Reepah can freestyle.....and rebuttal? Fire battle on both sides!

  • @dj2fangaz948
    @dj2fangaz948 2 года назад +2

    Yo.. this the first Reepah Rell battle I ever watched.. Son is 🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @toonface5448
    @toonface5448 6 лет назад +32

    I know this bout to be hella 🔥🔥

  • @coreycage3068
    @coreycage3068 6 лет назад +2

    strate classic..bars,delivery,comedy,personals,punches,schemes, and of course a highly engaged crowd.. top ten battle of the year.

  • @LexDimonEnt
    @LexDimonEnt 6 лет назад +5

    The definition of a competitive battle...thanks to the battlers and league for this one...

  • @CZY_RELL
    @CZY_RELL 6 лет назад +37

    MACK PUNCHES ARE TOO CLEAN!!! URL GIVE THEM MORE PLATES!!
    FANS 3-0 🔥🔥🔥🔥

    • @kazumi9626
      @kazumi9626 6 лет назад

      qxeens him and ave battle need to drop heard it was good

    • @CZY_RELL
      @CZY_RELL 6 лет назад

      Flagging Bloggers FIYAHH

    • @caesaremoses952
      @caesaremoses952 6 лет назад

      Facts him and ave. Smack need to set it up

  • @remingtonsteel8409
    @remingtonsteel8409 6 лет назад +1

    I watched this on my flight home. Everybody was looking at me weird when we were getting off the plane. Between all of the grunting and facial expressions they probably thought I was shittin myself.🤦🏾‍♂️...🔥🔥🔥🔥 Battle!!!!

  • @shawngeorge491
    @shawngeorge491 6 лет назад +6

    THIS BATTLE IS CRAZY. Instant classic.

  • @tydw1911
    @tydw1911 6 лет назад +5

    Fireee battle, its cool when rappers acknowledge other rappers fire lines salute

  • @Alamo_Andretti
    @Alamo_Andretti 6 лет назад +1

    “I’ll put his face on your head like the Waterboy?!?” Mackk been a problem. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🙏🏾

  • @yaipr12pr40
    @yaipr12pr40 6 лет назад +25

    Reepah vs Mack .. this has the potential to b a crazy one.. im locked in ! both underrated 🔥💪

  • @sirh.a.8738
    @sirh.a.8738 3 года назад +1

    P.E.A.C.E. I always admired Mack 's consistent brazen but entertaining barz, thus Rell came to the battle field with some clever rebuttals, punchlines of his own...WE GO HARD TV this a classic.🔥✔💯

  • @SilentShadow518
    @SilentShadow518 6 лет назад +7

    ONE PRESS, POWER MAC DOWN, THATS SLEEP MODE!!!! - REEPAH

  • @Mrgiftedsoul
    @Mrgiftedsoul 6 лет назад +4

    These are the battles I live for both guys came wit it

  • @izwhatitiz4944
    @izwhatitiz4944 6 лет назад +2

    Both nice. Both up next. Main stage waiting.

  • @treyeight2581
    @treyeight2581 6 лет назад +49

    Right side get hit left side get a westen if I call up dub c they giving makk ten I got west side connections 😆😆😆😆😆

  • @SkyBlew
    @SkyBlew 6 лет назад +14

    😲 *Fam... THIS BATTLE IS 🔥🔥🔥 SMACK, GIVE THESE MEN SOME PLATES!!!*

  • @davidcampbell215
    @davidcampbell215 6 лет назад +3

    THANK YOU CITY!!!!!

  • @quincycannon9350
    @quincycannon9350 6 лет назад +7

    Rell sounds like a Mortal Komabt fighter that raps. #oldheadbarz

  • @reginaldlazard4322
    @reginaldlazard4322 6 лет назад +2

    🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯💯💯💯 respect and competitiveness made this a classic Mackk and Rell put on a show

  • @gorguisall8691
    @gorguisall8691 6 лет назад +6

    One of da best best battles I’ve seen a while 🔥🤟🏾🙏🏾🖕🏾

  • @joeyou60
    @joeyou60 6 лет назад +4

    Watching steams face throughout the battle got me dying😂

  • @Khaseenwar09
    @Khaseenwar09 6 лет назад +34

    *MACKK BEEN NICE!*

  • @gorguisall8691
    @gorguisall8691 6 лет назад +24

    Reepah is fire

  • @Kid_Deph
    @Kid_Deph 6 лет назад +15

    BULLETS SNEAK UNDER ARMOR LIKE STEPH CURRY! Reepah wylin in the 1st

  • @skeezenutz
    @skeezenutz 6 лет назад +8

    All the good battles now days are NOT on url. Good shit City for keepin this shit goin!! Both of these cats I like and cant really pick a winner, it was entertaining!!!

  • @boogiegq890
    @boogiegq890 6 лет назад +9

    The can say refrigerate after openin fire 🔥

  • @nauticawatts5928
    @nauticawatts5928 6 лет назад +5

    Classic no de8ate ......wegohard Got one😎🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @justinlacek1481
    @justinlacek1481 6 лет назад +5

    I'm a sicko, I'll buck ya fam - I'm talking tuck and blam,
    I'll Pull up wit something in the coat like hustle man 😂😂😂🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @manueljr2974
    @manueljr2974 6 лет назад +7

    this battle too 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 they both too🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

    • @manueljr2974
      @manueljr2974 6 лет назад

      @brell 2-1-5 I'm not mad at that is just to great of a battle with mutual respect

    • @manueljr2974
      @manueljr2974 6 лет назад

      @brell 2-1-5 facts this 2 need. BORN LECAGY ASAP

  • @PHOENIXQ2024
    @PHOENIXQ2024 6 лет назад +3

    They way they reacted after the battle tells you it was a classic lol

  • @tickeymickey360
    @tickeymickey360 6 лет назад +8

    This battle gonna be one of them slept on classics that people won't get hip too until years later. Great shit from both sides. This was a FIGHT cause all them punches was ridiculous. Ion even wanna call a winner cause both did what they was supposed to do. But I got Rell 2-1 (1st edge, 3rd edge) but honestly this could just as easily go to Mack if I watch this again.
    Good shit fr. The culture won 3-0. 💯

  • @vincentcoleman5224
    @vincentcoleman5224 6 лет назад +2

    Rell looking like the lil doll from TALES FROM THE HOOD!!!😂😂

    • @reepahrell
      @reepahrell 6 лет назад

      Vincent Coleman 😭😭😭😭 #oldheadbars

  • @mcsplash1
    @mcsplash1 6 лет назад +5

    Brass,Keys,Stick,Maestro/ My Stroll. Dang Reepah!

  • @SeanKarleone
    @SeanKarleone 6 лет назад +3

    FIRE BATTLE! BOTH RAPPERS PUT ON!

  • @thenameismarkanthony309
    @thenameismarkanthony309 6 лет назад +4

    Had to watch this battle twice. 🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @almatomz1607
    @almatomz1607 6 лет назад +39

    mackk shud battle on banned or smack volume

  • @bojax1n
    @bojax1n 6 лет назад +2

    id love to see MACKK MYRON on banned or smack vol. 4....
    his style is perfect for it.
    non stop

  • @jeanbaptiste4473
    @jeanbaptiste4473 6 лет назад +4

    All you gon see is a Mac down that’s pimp in distress 🔥 🔥

  • @lostarts598
    @lostarts598 6 лет назад +1

    I knew even before clicking this would be one of my fav battles of the year

  • @trigga4lb
    @trigga4lb 6 лет назад +5

    They both was on 🔥 but reep 1st was too crazy.. 3-0 fans

  • @mmartyx1
    @mmartyx1 6 лет назад +4

    These are real bars!! URL needs to step up their game to make sure their battlers spit like this!!

  • @DjRevolver
    @DjRevolver 6 лет назад +9

    Mack vs Jerry West 🙋

  • @DJSupaSlim
    @DJSupaSlim 6 лет назад +4

    @reepah if you keep that same flow and energy like u did in the 2nd...ull be tough to beat

  • @kellybridges2718
    @kellybridges2718 6 лет назад +1

    This shit was crazy. These boys were 🔥 the whole battle. This is a classic between these two. Salute to Mack Myron and Reepah Rell. Dope battle.

  • @flash2157
    @flash2157 6 лет назад +1

    Well damn how i miss this!!!!!

  • @GranLarsonORLS
    @GranLarsonORLS 6 лет назад +5

    Fans 3-0 this battle fire!
    Gwitty reactions be hella funny 😂

  • @Righteousgenius
    @Righteousgenius 6 лет назад +31

    I almost wanna call this a draw🔥🔥🔥🔥2-1 reepah. Nashty battle tho

  • @DigitzArtist
    @DigitzArtist 6 лет назад +2

    Great battle man, both these guys deserve more plates fr 🔥🔥🔥

  • @williamcarney8243
    @williamcarney8243 6 лет назад +2

    This how i got hooked on battle rap...shit like dat☝

  • @msluvlifeh6950
    @msluvlifeh6950 6 лет назад +4

    This battle was better than a whole card.....fire....🔥....arms swing do your thing either one can get the win.....

  • @0DylanFarnum0
    @0DylanFarnum0 6 лет назад +19

    Old Head Barz!!!

  • @rodneywilliams1086
    @rodneywilliams1086 6 лет назад +4

    Mackk Myron is basically a BMAGIC that remembers his rounds.

  • @mrthomas3000
    @mrthomas3000 6 лет назад +1

    I'm a big fan of Reepah..... dude is fire bruh. But I gotta say, I was pleasantly introduced to Mack Myron today. This was a dope battle

  • @curtisthomas4908
    @curtisthomas4908 6 лет назад +2

    This best rap battle I seen this year🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @TheDharkMagician
    @TheDharkMagician 2 года назад +1

    It was something fishy about them giving Mackk a Rell, thats why im feeding him the can!! Reepah was going crazy!!

  • @NickMoses05
    @NickMoses05 6 лет назад +20

    Mack Myron is what b magic shoulda been

    • @JGreer11
      @JGreer11 4 года назад +1

      They battled too in early years.

  • @Showoff_Bradley
    @Showoff_Bradley 6 лет назад +3

    This battle was 🔥🔥🔥!!! I got Rell 2-1 slight edge on 1st and 3rd

  • @MichaelwhiteBigManMike
    @MichaelwhiteBigManMike 6 лет назад +7

    The metal talking to you, artificial intelligence

  • @primetime22421
    @primetime22421 6 лет назад +2

    Mackk Fire. Needs a bigger stage. This the Reepah flow we fans love. This makes him dangerous..”the can say refrigerate after opening” 🤯

  • @tyronepalmer86
    @tyronepalmer86 6 лет назад +11

    They both cooked crazy wish is was in banned tho we go harder crowd makes to much noise. Let the people get there bars off people watch to see the battles.

  • @CeazeDaGod
    @CeazeDaGod 6 лет назад +3

    This was a dope battle prob the best rell i ever seen i got him winning it 🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @micah-thpofficial5179
    @micah-thpofficial5179 5 лет назад +3

    “They all kno he compatible wit the cloud” 😫🤯?

  • @ebonisturdivant6056
    @ebonisturdivant6056 6 лет назад +1

    Best line of the battle when Mack said y'all kno I came to rhyme nigga... City good looking on that bread time nigga!! We out bro🔥🔥💯💯😂😂😂😂😂👊👊 I died😂😂

  • @justinlacek1481
    @justinlacek1481 6 лет назад +4

    I know ya name Mack but we creeping through the window!!!!

  • @No_More_Cookouts
    @No_More_Cookouts 6 лет назад +9

    IDGAF. Mackk and Rell, I know I'mma always get my time worth. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥. 3-0 culture

  • @LeJendLBC
    @LeJendLBC 6 лет назад +9

    Could be the Slept on Battle of the Year low🔑

  • @jondoe9458
    @jondoe9458 6 лет назад +4

    Reepah would not die!!! Great battle

  • @yaipr12pr40
    @yaipr12pr40 6 лет назад +1

    "i bring the big macs in your crib. richie rich" ... he had a mcdonalds in his house ! 😂😂 im 😱😱

  • @Buzzman182
    @Buzzman182 6 лет назад +4

    Both these dudes are nice!

  • @freestyleroller12
    @freestyleroller12 6 лет назад +13

    Reepah rell vs jakkboy banned or surprise battle

  • @DLesMusic
    @DLesMusic 6 лет назад +4

    "Either the knife starts pokin' him, or I'm smokin' him
    Shoot him and toss it in the freezer
    The can say refrigerate after opening" - Reepah Rell ........1st/rnd..............................#FIRE

  • @beasley10
    @beasley10 6 лет назад +3

    Damn we go hard y'all caught me off guard lol

  • @quamilfoster3047
    @quamilfoster3047 6 лет назад +4

    Turned the football game off for this, Let's gooooooo.

  • @KDKlive
    @KDKlive 6 лет назад +5

    no need to skip any rounds!!!!! fiiiire!!!!! …. im bias to reepah but 2-1 either way!

  • @Yada_EL
    @Yada_EL 6 лет назад +2

    Dope battle 💯

  • @phillytnoize
    @phillytnoize 6 лет назад +5

    Every time I watch Mackk Myron he gettin crazy

  • @adamedwards5503
    @adamedwards5503 6 лет назад +3

    “HE HAD A MCDONALDS IN HIS HOUSE!!!” 😂😂😂

  • @jaypercy9011
    @jaypercy9011 6 лет назад +1

    Classic either way!!! This was that Reepah that battle Bangz and this was Makk when he battle Jeff

  • @donkojinho6567
    @donkojinho6567 6 лет назад +12

    Mack Myron vs. Young Kannon for the OBC Bar King title

    • @puffinstuff3107
      @puffinstuff3107 6 лет назад +1

      Y'all gotta stop acting like ALL these niggas don't use old references. Reepah first 2 bars was about 4 Brothers and Players Club 😂😂

    • @donkojinho6567
      @donkojinho6567 6 лет назад +2

      @@puffinstuff3107 it's good you know how to make assumptions. I think it goes without saying that all battlers do, I heard Franchise use a Playa's club bar against Mack Mel.
      My Point is MM & YK are notorious for it. Most of their rounds are filled with it. Tech was getting on to Geechi about it and thankfully he switched it up. Hopefully these two can do the same.

    • @puffinstuff3107
      @puffinstuff3107 6 лет назад

      I just think the whole "outdated" phrase itself is nonsense in rap to me in general bro I didn't mean to offend you holmes I just get tired of seeing ppl refer to it and finally commented but peace to you anyway my nigga

    • @daniellatkowsky6284
      @daniellatkowsky6284 6 лет назад +1

      Ars is in the running too for obc champ

    • @frostkid08
      @frostkid08 6 лет назад +1

      It's not obc when niggas flip it in a different way but Mack, yk,tech, ars aren't know for their over complicated bars
      Resulting in basic flips of old references....