How to Love LGBTQ Kids: A Discussion with Jim Domen
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Are you struggling with how to best love a child with same-sex attraction? In this interview, Jim Domen shares his personal journey of growing up with same-sex attraction, his parents' response when he "came out," his prodigal return, and his ongoing struggles today as a parent, pastor, and husband. We discuss some of the tough issues such as attending a gay wedding and parenting LGBTQ kids.
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I am a 63 yo never married woman, who can Loudly Resonate with the problem of "the church" not loving or relating to single people well at all. I didn't have the same experience as Jim, in that he was in a sanctuary and no one spoke to him. I was outgoing and active with children. So I felt a part of the body, but seperate, at the same. My biggest frustration was church people always trying to set me up and a mother who was still wanting grandkids long after childbearing age. Those people would say I would be a great wife and mother. I finally got to the point where I became more bold about telling people that God made me a whole person, with or without a man or children. My experience doesn't have to be yours. I am happy that you are having a great relationship. Remember the Apostle Paul was single and Very Effective in his life. In retrospect, God has used me as a single woman, in ways that I couldn't have done in a marriage. I have gone back to school after years of taking care of everyone else. God has put me on a path to be a hospice Chaplain. He also allowed me to be mom to a handicapped child many years ago. I became guardian for Patty and we were together for 32 yrs before she went home to Jesus. I am so thankful that I live in the U.S. where these opportunities are available!
Thank you for 'listening' to me. God Bless You and the ministry He has given you!
From the age of 4, I lived with my relatives since my parents weren't financially able to look after me.I was molested from ages 7 to 9 by a male relative. I never told anyone then. By the time I was 15, I started have same sex attraction. At age 23 to 24, I gave up fighting and started having sexual relationships with men. In 2018, by the conviction of the Holy Spirit, I was able to repent and break up with my boyfriend of 1 week. Two months later, I heard he had a car crash and died. To this day, the Lord has been gracious and kept me walking with Him. I'm currently 27 and still have the same sex attraction. I keep praying and asking the Lord to restore my feelings for the opposite sex but..... I'm really thankful for this interview. I'm encouraged to go on fighting the good fight of faith.
❤️ that is a powerful testimony.
I'm very sorry you were taken advantage of as a child. I pray healing for you.
Keep up the good fight, Martin. Remember the Lord said He would fight for you. No one can snatch you out of his hand. I have to fight every day, and frankly, I get tired of it and want to quit. But I pick up my Bible daily and read. God reminds me Who He is and what He has done through Jesus, His only (single) Son Who He willingly sacrificed for a sinner like me, and how He keeps His promise to never leave or forsake me. I hear His Word and He hears my prayers. I could've never written His plan for me, but I've been walking with Him for 60 years now. Don't give up on the Lord, Martin. He won't give up on you. You'll be spared a lot of heartache if you trust and obey Him, and if you come back after you mess up, He will forgive you and clean you up again. (1John 1:9) We love Him because He first loved us!
Yeah well and this implies that something is wrong with you there is nothing wrong with you you have Phil for indoctrination and propaganda. Gay people are normal part of nature look at the animal kingdom 1500 species or homosexual you need to learn to love yourself and accept yourself you need to find a way to reconcile the Bible because the Bible is important to you it's important to me the Bible can be reconciled but it requires you to read a thousand years of ancient history and understand who wrote the Bible who were the prophets who were the rabbis who were the Cardinals and where they fit in history and are the actual realities you need to understand what irrational fear is and unreasonable fear. 👍😇😇🌈🙏. Because you're rejecting your whole identity and God created you gay for a reason you can see oppression like other people cannot so brother sister in Christ you got work to do. ❤️
And remember sexual molestation cannot cause a child to be gay it can cause a child to be more confused when coming into puberty but if you're born gay you're attracted to same sex whether your male or female and child abuse is completely different it's not even an orientation child abuses evil because it takes advantage of a small child the other child has no way of speaking or voice and consent that's what makes it evil.
The church use propaganda to conflate homosexuality with pedophilia and the words all the way from the 1890s up into the 1950s and so don't be distracted with the names in the labels. If you've always been attracted in a healthy way to the male of your same age and their consenting that is love and there's nothing wrong with that don't conflate pedophilia with homosexuality they're not even in the same spheres 🌈😇🙏 keep talking secrets make people sick get healthy. 👍
The description of homosexuality as a lifestyle is a blatent oversimplification of human sexuality in general and homosexuality in particular. The purpose of this indoctrination of the collective societal psyche is paramount to the self validating delusion of heterosexuality possessing moral validity. The reason that we never hear the term " heterosexual lifestyle" is because there is no need to catogorize heterosexuality as being chosen in order to subconciously justify contempt and hatred through subjective comparison.
Thank you so much for making a video about such relevant topic!
I found it very moving, as a mother, how to formulate the questions that encourage the young person to unveil/open up... We as parents don't know it all, and it is very humbling and loving to embrace that reality and when faced with something new to us, to ask "Help me understand how is it like for you...?" It brings both parents and child closer at a deeper level, the root is where we genuinely need to get to! Love is a noun and a verb, meaning that action needs to be taken (can't brush things under the rug!) I find kindness and truth to be great buddies in such situations!
God bless you!
Thank you once again Sean! And thanks to Jim for being transparent with his life. The testimony of his godly parents was also impactful. 😊
“Transparent” could be a double entendre in the context of this conversation
So thankful for the encouragement I received from your story. Believing for my son to have a God moment, like you did Jim, and surrender his life to the Lord. So thankful for how God is using your experience to help others navigate theirs! Thank you so much for making this interview available. Blessings to you both!
I am gay and my mom is like you, and because she met with Jim Domen. We no longer speak, she has no part in my life because of Jim Domen's "advice". Listen to this and I can promise you that you and your son will be the same, happened to me and so many other LGBT kids. You need to learn to love and accept, this is not love- its control and judgment
I struggle with my step-daughter. Anything that upsets her will cause her to storm out the room sometimes with yelling. I truly try to be open, but firm.
I understand and can see any that would be a challenge. Give yourself Grace!
Have you tried just accepting your daughter's sexual identity without strings, conditions or attachments and encouraging her to be herself and letting her know you love her no matter what? And that if she decided she wanted to marry with or be with someone of the same gender you would fully support it and love her no different than if she were to marry a man?
Have you tried any of that?
@@CJ-oc2ffnope, their Garbage religious ideology does not allow it
Our identity is not about our sexuality, christians have their identity in christ and the pursuit is for holiness whether ssa or not. We have many ssa believers in our congregation who are loved and accepted-all our singles and marrieds are called to holiness and obedience to the commands of God. I do think we can do a better job of including singles with our families, I have enjoyed doing that so much ( as a grandmother and married over 40 years).
Thank you for sharing. I’m a widow with a daughter who has told me she is bisexual. I love her. She gets angry at me because I tell her the truth of God’s word. I told her she has free will. She is free to live how she wants. Neither God or I will force her to live by His word, but at the same time I have the same choice to live by His word. I pray that one day she will understand how much I love her, and I’m here for her.
then you should stop listening to GARBAGE CHRISTIAN APOLOGIST and instead go speak to a Biologist like FORRESR VALKAI
Thank you for this topic. I've had 3 of my 5 kids come out since June.
May God bless you and your family!
@derickrae
Advice from someone you didn’t ask? If they are in public school, take them out.
@@brando3342 weak
@@dansaber8435 Sounds like you are, yes.
Sorry to hear that. Have you asked them why do they have these desires?
You want to have them treating a gay child the same as if they are with someone unmarried-- OK how tragic that he says the worst time for his parrents where when you had a long term relationship. That is so upsetting --
Thank you for discussing this topic. It has been a difficult journey as a Christian and mother of a child who is Trans. It was a lonely journey until folks like you are talking honestly about how we need to still Love our child.
Thank you again
this is not love, please learn to truly love and accept your child
McDowell's channel is a fantastic place of reference for Christians trying to navigate the difficult issues of today's world.
Jim is a truly inspirational person with a moving story. I hope I'll once get there where he is currently, although I hope I don't have to be as low as he was to finally get out. But stories like his will help a lot of people and have to be heared. This is, I believe, the reason why some groups try to silence them.
On a more personal note, a question: I'm playing with the thought of donating a copy of Jim's book to my mother to finally give a sign that not "everything is alright". But also as a promise that I will keep fighting and that I want help and change. Now, is this a good idea? I don't want to cause even more problems and sorrows for my parents, especially my mother has enough burdens on her own, plus in the worst case I'd probably just overwhelm them and create an awkward situation. But still, I feel like I am at a dead-end road and not able to get any better on my own. Without any external help I might give in sooner or later. What would you recommend me to do?
A real blessing to hear this conversation. Thank you pastor Jim n Sean
Jim, If you are still same sex attracted or gay, then that is who you are & always will be. You were born that way. No matter how long you're married or how many kids you have, it won't cure you of your gayness. I should & do know. I was married for over 27 years and in the ministry when I came out to my ex-wife. I'm 65 years old, still a follower of Christ & understand that of no choice of my own, I'm gay. Always will be until I die. The same is true for you as well.
I have known gay men who were married to females and could only function with them sexually by thinking of the male anatomy. They are still gay.
And still he chose to live another way as his desires urged him to. And I think this deserves a lot of respect. Also I don't understand how some people say "nothing has changed" while people like Jim completely changed their behaviour and lifestyle? Would you, for example, call an alcoholic who stopped to drink but still sometimes craves (but not consumes) alcohol still an alcoholic?
This video is a good resource for kids to learn about how their parents might try to manipulate them. I appreciate y'all being open, so I can better read my family's intentions, if they behave the same.
I agree. While most christian parents are good at keeping up appearances that they "love" their LGBT child, if that child sets firm boundaries and doesn't allow themselves to be manipulated, the parents will often just drop them or greatly distance themselves. It shows that their "love" only exists if they think their child will stop being LGBT. It's too bad people won't just be honest about this.
@@IvyLeather13 well put. Idk if most Christians would be like Jim but many would be. It's irritating that they framed the lgbt kid's boundaries as unloving but the parents boundaries as being loving. Guess it's just another 'I was a bitter unholy brat before I returned to Jesus' story.
But please remember, parents who set these boundaries in a kind way only do it with best intentions. They're not "manipulating" you for selfish purposes, they want to protect you for your own good. Although if it's hard in the short term, please don't react with anger. Try to see their intentions, because in most cases, they are only the best. I really wish I'd have a person in my life with whom I could talk like this about same sex attraction and get the help I need. Going through this on ones own doesn't make it easier, be thankful when your parents don't let you go through it alone.
@@m.f.5739 intentions don't justify bad results. we can use intentions to judge whether someone is trying to be loving or hateful, but not whether their actions are beneficial. If a parent treats you like you are diseased, like it seems you are implying being gay is, then that is a reason not to trust them with any personal matter regarding being gay. It is sad when you can't trust your parents with a basic part of life, because you know the feedback they will give will be useless and hurtful at best like suggesting it's a disease.
@@willjapheth23789 Well, the best intentions can lead to a bad outcome, that's true. What I was trying to say that when we react to other people's actions, especially when they're that close, we should also look at their motivation and intentions. Humans make mistakes, also when they have only the best intentions. We should be forgiving about that.
And to avoid any misunderstandings from my last paragraph (when rereading it I saw that it could be a bit confusing): I don't blame my parents or anybody for my situation. That I don't talk about it is my decision and my fault. I don't want to be a burden, my parents have enough worries themselves. And in the worst case all of this gets to the ears of someone who shouldn't know, and then I am in even more trouble. But it's not that I know that nobody would help me. If I really searched out for help, I could probably get some. It's just that I have a bad conscience for burdening my family with all this.
So, teaching gay kids that they are not " evil,immoral, sick, perverted, degenerative, etc. Is sexualizing them?
I met Jim Domen when my parents found out I was gay. He tried to put me in conversion therapy which was ilegal where we lived. My parents followed his advice and we no longer speak. Jim Domen is the last person you should be asking about lgbt issues and youth
If you actually cared about understanding and showing love to LGBT you’d talk to actual LGBT people who have been hurt by the church, and people who don’t deny the biology and psychology behind LGBT identities
I’m so sorry this happened to you. I’m not even religious; admittedly just here to learn how people continue to justify this discriminatory ideology as “goodness”.
Strongly agree with your opinion on WHO should be asked for advice on lgbtq issues. And it’s def not jimbo here.
I know and so that is why we're all here the ones that have already been harmed committed suicide families of that and understands the long-term ramifications of religion it may take a lifetime but the fruits are bad when you have children and adults hating themselves we need to love ourselves God created us all every single sexual orientation and its magnificent beauty now stop we need to stop these people from preaching hate against our tribes of diversity. 🌈🙏😇
Hang in there I know it's hard so many of us have shown where Freud and the words homosexuality just entered the lexicon words in 1890. And they didn't even put it in the Bible and associate it with a dastardly the Sodom of Gomorrah which had nothing to do with us. Don't spend your life chasing this lies of fables just a bunch of people that are angry that they cannot come out of the closet come out of the closet be happy God made you that way look at nature look at the animals it's evidence it is nature what is not nature's authoritarian and fascist Hitler's that is what's not natural that is evil. 🌈🙏😇
Your lies Are based on nothing but emotions and false doctrines. Even your beloved science does not support your lies
Some other useful suggestions for parents are to be affirming and then find a gay couple in your community to use role models! Going up gay and only ever seeing gay couples on tv was hard, and I think it is part of why a lot of people in the gay community struggle with relationships. Today, there is no need for that. If you look, im sure you can find gay couples live good, honest lives either at your kids' school or church.
thank you both for covering this topic in such a detailed way!
this has helped me SO MUCH this evening. 💝✝️🙌
When did sean choose to be heterosexual?
He's straight? I didn't get that vibe
I'm childless and struggling with same sex attraction lately. Getting married in January though, I hope the dreams and desires go away then. I can't forgive myself for having an abortion, I don't feel like I can trust myself with a child after I killed one. Wretch... wretched I am. Pray for me.
Thank you for sharing. If I may, I think you will really appreciate this AMAZING interview: www.biola.edu/blogs/think-biblically/2018/grace-and-redemption-after-abortion
@sarah dawn Please check out post abortive healing organizations like Rachel’s Vineyard. Evil will try to use your guilt or shame to pull you into other destructive choices. Don’t allow that and seek help from Christian sources. They will understand, love you and help you heal. Prayers for you 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Hey Sarah! I’m so sorry you are struggling like this. I work at a local pregnancy center and we offer great abortion recovery programs that are Christian based. Do you think you could find something like that in your town or maybe online? Remember-our sin is what drives us to our Savior! Cling to Him! He has forgiven all your sins and does not want you to live in defeat. He defeated death and payed the penalty for your sin. Oh what a Savior! Peace to you sister.
One's attraction is not the same as acting out. Has Christ forgiven all your sins? Even the abortion? That too was nailed to the Cross with Jesus, my friend, if you have trusted Him as your Savior. Have you confessed the abortion as sin? Read 1 John 1:9. What does God do with as believer's confessed sin? Those condemning thoughts are not coming from Jesus. No one else has the right to condemned you. Accept His forgiveness and be free!
Bless you Sarah. There is no sin too deep for Christ's forgiveness. We are all wretches. We all deserve God's wrath. I no less than you. Hugs. Please don't be afraid to reach out for help with a counselor. I'm praying for your today.
My daughter is Gay and is planning to get married soon. She was raised knowing Jesus. However I could never do any of this to my daughter. I show her grace and I love her like a mother should despite of her choice. I also love her soon to be wife. She knows according to Jesus this is wrong and I don’t lie to her. I pray for her daily. Regardless that’s my daughter and I love her and I will always be a part of her life. Is this wrong?
Homosexuality isn't an immutable characteristic but this conversation treats it like one.
Beautiful story. Sad how he sees the marginalization of singles in the church. I've experienced this after my husband left me. For whatever reason the church is not very good with bringing singles into their picture. I realized this as I struggled as a divorced woman with children. Whether it's because I was divorced (not my choice as my husband abandoned me and the kids), or maybe some women at church felt their marriage was threatened by me. Church can be a painful place to be for singles. We are the 3rd wheel.
This should not be. We need to be better at reaching out to singles in our church.
I'm looking forward to it Dr. Sean McDowell! Thank you, Pastor Jim
I am happily married to a wonderful man for 10 years.
I will pray for you Pastor Jim. My family came to my wedding. Going to renew our vows in 2023!
What you do has harmed so many lgbt youth including myself. Your “advice” and actions destroyed my life and relationship with my parents
Thank you for sharing, Jim.
Boundaries, Should be respected.
This was a great interview. Thank you, Jim, for your story! I think you are helping a lot of people and God Bless you:)
Sean, I love your interviews and teachings!
Just want to point out that the title you’ve given this interview is misleading… “A Parents Guide to…” as though it would be the parents intention to raise their children to be LGBTQ, which I know is not your intention.
Oooh, good point, thanks!
Wow!! Just came here after listening to Philip Yancey's incredible story. This is wonderful, impacting and encouraging. God bless you both. God bless you 🙏🏾
That was my mistake. No boundaries and I’ve paid a sorry price as a parent although it was heterosexual relationships
What a blessing of an interview. Thanks so much.
You bet
@@SeanMcDowellWHY should anyone buy into your GARBAGE RELIGIOUS IDEOLOGY?
If you refuse to let your child’s partner attend family gatherings, don’t show up for the most important day of their life, or disrespect them by calling them names and pronouns which cause them hurt, it’s possible you could lose them forever, and it would only be your fault.
😂😂😂😂
Why is the entitlement for love placed only on the child and not the parent?
How about we rephrase what you said this way?
If your child does not bring his partner to family gatherings because he refuses to come to terms with your beliefs, if he has the fortitude to continue his wedding without you because he cannot accept you for who you are and accomodate your beliefs in his decisions or he hurts you by continuously taking offence at what you've chosen to call him, then he could lose you forever and it would only be his fault.
@@shammahpeters586 you think a child should have to cancel their wedding day because their parents refuse to attend? Would you tell a Christian to cancel their wedding if they have parents of another religion who disagree with their choice to marry in a church?
Would you tell a Christian that they should just stop taking offence if an atheist parent continually attacks their faith and insults Jesus?
What I think, @Beyond belief is that if a gay person can insist that he must get a gay marriage and still demand the love and acceptance of his Christian parents, then why can't a Christian parent can insist that his holiness must be unstained and he still demand acceptance and love from his child?
"why can't a Christian parent insist" I meant to say
Thank you!! My husband and I want to start a family and want to be prepared for these difficult conversations. This is so helpful.
only have children when you are ready to accept them if they are LGBT. Jim Domen's teachings have caused so much trauma to myself and other LGBT people I know, I've met him personally and he has helped to ruin parts of my life and the relationships I had with my parents and lifelong friendships.
@@aaronhill182 the description of homosexuality as a lifestyle is a blatent oversimplification of human sexuality in general and homosexuality in particular. Such indoctrination of the collective societal psyche is paramount to the self validating delusion of heterosexuality possessing moral validity. The reason that we never hear the term " heterosexual lifestyle " ( even though one cannot describe homosexuality as a lifestyle without also describing heterosexuality as a lifestyle as well) is because there is no need to catogorize heterosexuality with such inherent connotative oversimplification in order to subconciously justify contempt and hatred through subjective comparison.
Oh wow, I have so much to adress but I will focus on one thing : telling your heterosexual daughter or son to wait with sex until marriage is not the same thing as being non affirming to your gay son or daughter... Because having sex before marriage is an action. Being gay is part of your gay son or daughter, it´s not something you do., its not an activity lol ... to tell your gay child to wait with sex until marriage would be a fair advice.
This is so helpful thank you Sean
You bet
Videos like this break my heart. Pain, strife, and broken relationships caused by clinging to morality from 2,000 years ago. This is the harm that religions can inflict today.
The right answer when hearing your child is gay? "That's nice. What does your partner like to eat? You are bringing them to dinner, right?"
Only if you have no obejective truth
@@taniarobb5371 what about subjective comparison?
Lol seethe
What is the " heterosexual lifestyle"? Oh, thats right, we never hear this term because there is no need to catogorize heterosexuality with such inherent connotative oversimplification in order to subconciously justify contempt and hatred through subjective comparison!
So interesting! We need this in a time that it seems so many claim to be gay now days. Or Bi, this is something that people need to understand this is not what God wants.. but he also doesn’t want us to have pre marital sex either. We have to have boundaries an stick with it
Here are some Bible passages that explain exactly what God wants: Micah 6.8, Mat 22.40, John 13.34, Rom 13.8-10.
Thank you for Avery powerful message Jim may the Bless and Keep
You strong so you can help others who don't know where to go for help!
My heart goes out to our Kids ! Thanks so much and God Bless you.
Thank you for this. My pastor recently said 30% of kids/young people (can't remember ages) had LGBTQ tendencies.
Nearly everyone has sexual temptations of some sort or another. It's universal.
that's because being LGBT is natural, found in thousands of species. Most highly social and intelligent animals are not exclusively heterosexual, including other apes and dolphins.
@@aaronhill182 My favourite are penguins! It's been observed that male penguins group up together and "adopt" orphaned baby penguins and create a family unit.
@@IvyLeather13 1/4 of swans form same sex couples and they do the same thing! BUT they raise chicks more successfully than opposite sex pairs!! so gay swans are essential for the reproductive success of the species!
LGBTQ tendencies? What are LGBTQ tendencies? You’re either gay or your not.
And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? -Genesis 3:11
Who told them they were gay?
Even though I’m not a father, my sister is gay, so this was helpful to me. I definitely need to pray more, and I think I should start fasting on this issue. Thank you for the video
I would highly suggest the I tried to be straight pod cast if you want to he stories from people who decided to love who they love and love god. One persons testimonial is as good as anothers.
Awesome conversation! So encouraging!
I just want to say if you're here and you're LGBT+, you aren't a mistake and you aren't sinning
Beliefs are everything to people
But biology is on your side
Your attractions are natural and not immoral
I hope you can find a support system that validates you and your identity
You are not alone
Any religious parents, please just respect your kids
Avoid using pronouns if possible, while I think it's foolish to have such an aversion to validating people's pronouns it's better to just say their name than actively harming them
Don't make them go to conversion therapy, please research the trevor project and how this practice is deadly
Discuss your beliefs with them respectfully, and avoid shaming them for something they cannot control
I understand your kid coming out can be terrifying for you, but your priority should be their wellbeing
Please consider more than just your beliefs when it comes to their wellbeing, consider the statistics and consider their feelings
I have a question, how should a parent deal with or respond to other family members (uncles,aunts,friends etc..)opinions and remarks such as you should handle things this way or that way and it doesn’t line up with a biblical response? Or also for a family member who finds out about your child coming out and responds in a very unloving way and belittles your child and chooses to treat your child different because of their choice. How should we respond to that person?
Jim is absolutely right . I never had a good and open relationship with my dad . That’s why I promised if I’ll have a son I’ll be the best dad ever and I am actually. I’m not only das Im my sons best friend. We have a great relationship. We talk about everything, he tells me everything. We go out together, eat together. Im happy that my son knows that no matter what , he can always come to me . That’s really amazing to know that your son can count on you no matter what.
Thank you very much for sharing your story God bless
So good, wise, and relevant!
So much power in this conversation 🙏
My 20-year-old son is homosexual. I accept him as he is. When he eventually finds a kind man to love, they will be welcomed into my home. Praying for somebody's sexuality to change is rubbish. (Should gay offspring pray for their parents to stop being judgemental assholes?) Watch Jim's mannerisms throughout the video. My opinion? He's still gay.
Dear Rebecca, you are helping destroy your own son’s life. Repent.
@@brando3342 what you consider destroyed is an unreliable metric for morality.
You're amazing! He's very lucky. This video only reinforces parents to take actions which will alienate and destroy their relationship with their child. You clearly will have something that the people following this video's "advice" will be lucky to ever have --- if they can ever repair the damage they'll cause.
There is a difference between accepting someone as they are and taking the time to discover the reason they are pursuing this lifestyle. I have a friend that is gay because of abuse from heterosexual partners, another might be because of childhood molestation, exposure to pornography, PTSD, mental health, identity issues, etc. If one of these reasons is the cause of homosexuality, it's important to deal with the root cause and the trauma to bring healing and affirmation to their hurts and pain. Love them enough to ask the tough questions and to want what's best for them, which is not always the easiest path.
@@conlyn7584 there isn’t a reason other than they’re born that way. This fake need to place fault and shift it away from just them being themselves is amoral in its own right.
What a powerful testimony.
Teaching your child to disown their own identity is harmful and that's why we call it gay reparative Exodus we've all done that been there it doesn't work it causes children to commit suicide. Christianity evangelicalism in the last 30 years started teaching gay children to disown their natural feelings and Sean I listen to you all the time I know you're trying to learn but then you have this guy on that teaches children to disown their identity that's a sad sad show. Being gay is not a choice being gay is not a lifestyle being gay is you're born that way by God a good God and our creator the God in heaven created gay children and they should be loved and celebrated just like heterosexual children. 🌈🙏😇
The description of homosexuality as a lifestyle is a blatent oversimplification of human sexuality in general and homosexuality in particular. Such indoctrination of the collective societal psyche is paramount to the self validating delusion of heterosexuality possessing moral validity. The reason that we never hear the term " heterosexual lifestyle " is because there is no need to catogorize heterosexuality with the connotative oversimplification of choice in order to subconciously justify contempt and hatred through subjective comparison.
The description of homosexuality as a lifestyle is a blatant oversimplification of human sexuality in general and homosexuality in particular. Such indoctrination of the collective societal psyche is paramount to both the formation and maintenence of the self validating delusion of heterosexuality possessing moral validity. The reason that we never hear the term " heterosexual lifestyle " is because there is no need to categorize heterosexuality with such descriptively inherent connotative oversimplification in order to subconsciously justify contempt and hatred through subjective ( and, therefore, contextually unfair and invalid) comparison.
I love “you are not gay, you are same sex attracted”
Truth bomb!!!
What's the difference?
@@dansaber8435 Gay used to mean carefree or happy. Nowadays it is a euphemism created to put a positive spin on the idea of homosexuality. It can refer to sexual desires with or without sexual activity, or how one identifies oneself. You have to ask the person using the word what they mean by "gay" before you can rightly know how to respond.
@@melodysledgister2468 everyone has a sexual orientation. One of the letters is for you. You're included. No exceptions no excuses.
@@dansaber8435 the difference is that saying you are gay is being used as your identity instead of your relationship with Christ.
@@thespousessellinghouses7606 I'm gay because of my relationship with Christ. It's when you learn what is good and evil that you lose your relationship with Christ. You have free will to decide.
Domen is still trying to find himself...interesting how he went down this path, still running away from your core feelings.. Jim, from someone who used to go to church with you, and has a lot of respect for you, just be yourself, and help others embrace themselves.
I really needed this video
Its sad that people buy into this stuff. Parents if you want information on how to best help your lgbtq kids, look for more than one persons testimonial and opinion. I would suggest American Society of Pediatrics if you can read scholarly works or the AACAP has some great resources.
Re clothing colors… I haven’t wonder what Jim would have said to me when I got interested in fishing and hunting :) but only briefly wanted to be a boy only because boys supposedly got to do all the fun outdoorsy stuff!😅 but then I realized most of the boys were also jerks ;truthfully all us kids were pretty much jerks to each other. But a few of the boys bullied me. But Still never felt drawn to women.
Is Jim still SSA?
Thank you..question answered. Makes sense.
I am so glad that my family didnt listen to people like this. I am living a happy and fulfilling life my partner. My twin brother, who is also gay is getting married to his partner of 7 years and is looking at starting a family. There is the say about good fruit we (and many many others) are living proof the the "gay lifestyle" can produce good fruit.
Licensed counselors are now prohibited in most states from helping kids do anything other than embrace their same sex attraction. Even licensed Christian counselors. So watch out.
Because there’s nothing wrong with being lgbt and numerous psychological studies have shown that conversion therapy is harmful and does not work
@@aaronhill182 bit many individuals find it useful and successfully enter heterosexual marriages which honor their value for religion. Why should it be illegal if it works for some and is actually what they want?
@@AtrusGambit look at how many of those marriages fail. The leaders of the top conversion organizations like Exodus have all come out and admitted to being wrong and even ended their straight marriages. and again research shows its harmful it therefore cannot be an accepted psychological process
IFTCC - This org collects a lot of academic research and has panels of repentant LGBTQ Christians. ruclips.net/channel/UC2_F9k-vxoJWdPZA1zuYiqg
Jackie Hill Perry - Another individual who is very public about her repentance.
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@@aaronhill182 many serial killers had families, and were even church leaders
Robert Hillsborough.
Sean, as an atheist, you are my favorite christian apologist due to your kindness and understanding. However, this is a topic that I simply cannot understand the christian side of the argument at all, and isn't something I think christians and atheists can just agree to disagree on. Perhaps you have another video on this topic, but why do you think being homosexual is wrong in the first place? Is it just blindly obeying the biblical writings, or is there something more to it? I can point out secular reasons that (generally speaking) killing, stealing, lying, etc are morally wrong, but can't think of a single reason homosexuality is wrong. And if it is just blindly obeying the scripture, would you just do anything it tells you to do without a second thought?
These are the most common verses they refer to that says marriage is between a man and a woman. Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 2:18-25.
@@hannahbrakarsh4106 I think you may have misunderstood the question. I wasn't asking what verses he uses to justify his opinion. I'm asking why I should care about the outdated opinions of a book written thousands of years ago. This is the same book that is perfectly fine with owning and beating slaves, and glorifies a deity that sends bears to attack children if they tease a man for being bald. Not exactly the pinnacle of morality here...
Ohh. Yeah I have that same question.
I think what people have to realize is everyone believes in what they believe. From other perspectives sometimes it just never will make sense. 🤷🏻♀️😞
So much judgment, such little acceptance; a show of gilded “goodness” and inconsistent messaging
The gospel of salvation by grace is free to all who will repent and believe. Denying that what the Bible calls sin truly is sin equates to a denial of the gospel to sinners who need it. Love rejoices in the truth
Ex gay person talking about the gay agenda?
Ok Brenda.
Sad that the parents didn’t allow the partner. I don’t think that sits right.
You know what would have been a REAL example of healthy masculinity? Allowing his son to wear a dress. Sean literally had just pointed out that certain things aren't a biological difference between the sexes but instead are just a societal difference. Do you want to know what one of those societal differences is? Women wearing dress. The bible says nothing about men not wearing dress and wearing a dress isn't going to make your kid gay. Healthy masculinity does not let societies opinions effect their own views.
He said that was the way he dealt with his son and that he is more sensitive. I don’t like Pokémon type toys so if my kids were given them, I would throw them away and most of the time it’s out of sight out of mind. As they get older, you can talk to them more.
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Yes!
Deuteronomy 22:5 bible talks about it.
@@jummyjohn I would argue that that falls into the old commandments that Christians no longer need to follow, such as not wearing mixed fabrics. However I will admit that i didn’t know that verse was in the Bible.
Foul.
My oldest daughter lived with me while she was in college she skipped second grade so she was a 17 year old sophomore. She went through a gay phase, I told her I didn’t want her being intimate with anyone until she was older and could make a more mature informed choice. She grew out of it.
She didn't "grow out of it", she's a woman and it's not unheard of for women's orientation to shift at around that time of life. Some straight women become gay at a similar time. Would you say they "grew out of" being straight?
@@MusicalRaichu “at that time of life “ adolescence, a time of Growth and change. She did grow out of it like most girls do.
@@kennethdias9988 early adulthood, not adolescence. IIRC according to the most recent research I've seen, most people do not shift in their orientation. it's dangerous to try to force change (can be fatal). By puberty it is what it is. Of the few that do experience change, it's involuntary and mostly young women.
Tell the children the truth. Dont let them live a delusion
Why in the world ask these two? Ask parents who have LGBTQ kids.
THIS!
Seriously!
Sounds like Jim is speaking from personal experience so... you'd rather listen to a straight parent?
@@tayh.6235 Jim opposes lgbt rights, he's the worst person to ask
Awesome!
A gay child?
That phrase is problematic to me.
Maybe a child who is dealing with ssa or a child who thinks he is gay.
No child is gay.
Blessings!
You've removed your eye and left the plank.
so is no child hetrosexual?
@@frankwhelan1715 should children be sexually classified? If you meant teenagers, then no, until their brains fully develops sexual taste change and keep changing until around 60. That's the danger of reinforcing destructive sexual habits during brain formation and the western reason to wait for marriage, I personally disagree.
I think coupling and growing sexually together at a younger age, as is the historical precedent and shows in current marriage stats, allows the mutual development of both spouses brains to share stimulators and the currently accepted later age of marriage and sexual exploration has had an overall negative effect on both the moral structure and the cohesion of society proper.
@@frankwhelan1715 How can a child be heterosexual? Is he active sexually? Maybe he has feelings for the other sex. We'll see who he is attracted to when he grows up. Sexual orientation developes, it's not a label we are born with.
I was a gay child. Now I’m a gay adult. Everyone has a sexuality
Well remember God himself called that an abomination when a man takes a woman's part or a woman take the man's part so you can't sugar coat it you can't make it okay you're still supposed to love the person and hate the sin, but not except it, because God himself called in an abomination should we love it till we encourage it no!¡!
Read Romans 1
My parents disowned me basically yes iam an 80s kid
I thought about that. An African parent from that Era would do the same. I'm a 70s kid.
Yes, that is sad. If we must disown our child for sinning, then we need to be consistent and disown all of them, because "all have sinned." Would I disown my child if he were a thief? No However, we'd be hypocrites if we aid and abet sin, particularly in our own homes. We would not accept or let him hide stolen items, but encourage him to return them. We would have to turn him out only if he was unrepentant, refused help and insisted on using our home to stash his stolen goods. But he would still be our son, always.
@@melodysledgister2468 homosexuality is not a behavior any more than heterosexuality is a behavior.
@@jummyjohn or worse.
@@christopherscheiber1439 But heterosexuality IS a behavior.
Yeah, his advice ain't the best, tho. But still, Jim is a living example of people expressing their resentment towards a certain thing as the hate they secretly feel for themselves
Well, what would be a better advice then?
@@m.f.5739 being as patient and loving as possible. I wouldn't have cared if my future kid turned out to be an atheist or Christian because them not sharing my religious beliefs (Buddhist) ain't my business as long as they respect other people. Same goes here. If my future kids aren't going to be themselves or anyone else (and aren't breaking the law), I'm fine with whatever they do
@@Crawlingdreams418Isn't this really similar to what he said? He said that you should love your children, regardless what they do, be patient and not force them to do anything, even though it'd be for their best. I see this quite similar: I don't think it helps if a parent tries to force their child out of a problematic lifestyle, it's rather the parents task to wait patiently and always stay ready to help them out as soon as the children themselves want it.
@@m.f.5739 not really. If my kid were doing something harmful to themselves or others, I would have undoubtedly needed to steer them away. But in regards to homosexuality, I would have needed to accept that my kid may have a different path from me. I wouldn't have benefitted from being treated like I'm going through some dumb rebellion and being disowned if I don't stop doing it. What I really needed was guidance. While my father would never be able to give me proper advice on dating women as he's not a lesbian (obviously), it would have been better than how it was actually handled. I don't understand tradwives. But just because I don't understand doesn't mean I should gaslight or invalidate my future daughter if she chooses to go down that path. I'll need to give her some warnings about this choice, so that she could follow this lifestyle without succumbing to certain issues some tradwives struggle with because they pushed their beliefs too far. If I gaslight my future daughter over it or try to get her to stop being one, I risk not seeing her for a family dinner when she gets a family of her own. And unfortunately, she would have been right about doing so, because I will have chosen to invalidate her views instead of being supportive while being unbiased. If I choose to support her while telling her to be careful, I'll be able to still have my future daughter in my life and she'll be thankful for me being by her side in spite of me not understanding her lifestyle
This guys suggestion when responding to your child coming out: well, you were probably molested... Eh ok? Great advice for inflicting trauma to your child 👏 👍 Listen to Bridget Eileen Rivera instead.
I think it is terrible that anyone would not go to a gay wedding even if it is their child... even if they think it is a "sin" ... the wedding is for those two people it is not about you... If God does not recognize it, thats between them and God... it seems such a selfish thing... As no one is sinless is any marriage without sin... and two come together with him... three cord fold... if someone invites God into their life in a marriage... thats their vows... not yours... sad and selfish... very selfish... what other things does someones sexual conduct stop you from... Gay business owners? Where does the hypocrisy end? I understand not wanting to pastor that event... but i guess no cake either? Sad... and interesting coming from a person who is defined by the path he took... the person he is now, based off the lived experiences he had... I once had a room mate who was "gay" and he believed it was wrong, but believed God put that in him, so when he overcame his desire, then he could help others do the same... thats just crazy thinking Romans 14:23 stick to your convictions... keep between you and God... dont cause another to fall..
The man did say that every person should prayerfully decide what they want to do in these situations. If that is how you feel and you've prayerfully considered what God wants of you then by all means do that. It may be that God puts His servants in different situations because He's hand picked them specifically, like Esther who was first a concubine before she became queen. We cannot say to another you should do it this way since God may have another plan. I see it as a meat sacrificed to idols situation. We don't want to cause others to stumble and therefore shan't drink in front of an alcoholic.
@@winniecash1654 and I did say that he is sad for that action... as a leader his choices carry authority and guide others - and unless sent him the message he's going on.... what? There are those that believe in Christ but do not believe in hollidays because of Johns head on a platter - again I say sad! A birth is the most amazing thing in existence - why would someone not celebrate?
@@Jasminestealth1 I don't agree. He did what he thought was the best choice for him. God is full of grace and mercy. Jesus modeled this for us, and as His followers we want to grow to be like Him. It's a matter of conscience. For him, if he had gone to the wedding, he'd be violating his own conscience. And, if his choice is wrong, then he may repent to the Lord and apologize to the offended people. There is 'room' for all of us to struggle with a decision and end up making the lesser or greater choice depending on where we are in our walk with God. We all have different convictions and must decide for ourselves, preferably with prayer and seeking God's will in a matter. I don't know about you, but the older I get the more I realize I lack wisdom and must take things to the Lord in prayer, and I'm old, been around the block more than once. I acknowledge that you have your own conviction in this matter, and that's good. It's better to live by convictions, because it means you are connecting your brain and heart. But, we hopefully all get better at balancing this with grace and truth. May you be richly blessed I the knowledge and grace in the Lord. It's a journey for sure.
@@winniecash1654 oh yea - what we both have in common? Neither of us get to judge him ❤️🔥
He was able to change his behavior. That does not make him heterosexual.
And also I would like to say I'm a gay person 60 years old grandma mother woman. And I've studied the Bible my whole life as well and I feel God called me as a child I have a letter stipulating that. 🙄 The topic we need to discuss is should pastors who are repressing their homosexual feelings and not living a lifestyle in concordance with their identity should they be pastors should gay people that are repressing their sexuality be pastors counseling other people when I feel they have not reconciled their own beliefs with the Bible it can be done it has been done and it's being done all the time when you get healthy. And I don't feel a pastor a man who is repressing his identity should be a counseling other people to deny who they are,
with devastating outcomes.
It is a life, not a lifestyle.
The description of homosexuality as a lifestyle is a blatent oversimplification of human sexuality in general and homosexuality in particular. Such indoctrination of the collective societal psyche is paramount to the self validating delusion of heterosexuality possessing moral validity. The reason that we never hear the term " heterosexual lifestyle" is because there is no need to catogorize heterosexuality with such inherent connotative oversimplification in order to subconciously justify contempt and hatred through subjective comparison.
The bible, if a man liet wiith another man ,etc etc
Thanks!
just the title of this video shows how far the culture has drifted.
since when is lgbtq a "kids thing"
kids are being sexualized everywhere
Depopulation and depravity
Riddle: A lot of people think I'm gay, and I'm not. A lot of people think I'm trans, and I'm not. What am I?
(There is a real answer, it's not an insult)
A nonbinary bisexual person?
@@geekygecko1849 close, nonbinary Asexual.
@@trollwhisperer1770 lol I was close :)
@@trollwhisperer1770me. Enby ace.
It takes courage to be your authentic self instead of caving to societal norms. You're teaching your son to be weak. You're a vain man.
Awful. So sad. So far from the Lord. I pray for him poor soul.
You can be LGBT and Christian no problem
who thumbs up that? maybe with western christianity but not with the God of Heaven and Earth.
@@JBM101 you guys remind me of the religious people that wanted Jesus crucified. I find no fault with the lgbtq whatsoever.
@@dansaber8435 brother whether you or I have a problem with them is not the question. We have to submit to what the scripture says.
@@BillHirsch1417 you understand scripture as well as the doctors of the law that wanted God crucified. Only his sheep can hear his voice.
@@dansaber8435 you say that, but then you say that YOU have no problem with LGBTQ, not Jesus. Do you speak for Jesus? I think not. The Bible does though.
No such thing as 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ kids.
Proof?
FAMILY IN MY KINGDOM IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN.
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JIM ANS SEAN FAMILY TREE,
YOU HAVE 24 HOURS TO REPENT AND SEEK JESUS CHRIST FORGIVENESS
OR
BE THROWN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE 4 ETERNITY.
YOUR CHOICE
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Nothing scream God, scripture and compassion like conditional love. Saying I love you then following it with but... is just lip service. Much like how in the Incredible's when the boss fire Mr Incredible, "The law requires that I answer no." We are required to say we love you, yet truth is far from their lips and hearts. And classic different standards that drive those you "love" away.
And how many typical clichés can you get? Lifestyle, what lifestyle, should I quit seminary, stop reading the Bible, praying, going to church? And you make being gay sound like someone has cancer or some incurable and fatal disease.
And that is exactly what he means, just as I'm sure you do, you just won't bring yourself to say, you are gay because you were abused or don't have good family/parental relationships.
One thing I have noticed is that gays are less loving and tolerant of conservatives/Christians than Christians are towards gays. It really does just boil down to the lesser of evils.
I assume you would never marry someone who was divorced or the reception afterwards, as that is not God's best. And it is answers like that which make me wonder if I would even bother inviting someone who clearly would rather give birth to a sailboat or die than go to it anyway.
So if your child murdered or stole or raped it would be wrong to say “I love you but I can’t condone what you did”? This is no different. Boundaries show love. If you have no boundaries and say you love, you really don’t.
@@conservativemama3437 Ah yes, the classic comparison of being gay with murder.
@@nategraham6946 Jesus had no trouble equating anger to murder. All sin starts in the heart. That's what he was saying. All sin needs to be confessed as sin, so we can be forgiven. And that's the good news--Jesus paid the penalty for all my sin, so now I stand clean before God. But I can't continue a lifestyle of sin, or I'm a hypocrite.
@@melodysledgister2468 And what lifestyle is mine than? Shall I drop out of seminary, stop praying and reading the scriptures?
And you no longer sin? impressive.
Yet you are correct, Jesus does equate hate with murder, but not love.
@@nategraham6946 the description of homosexuality as a lifestyle is a blatent oversimplification of human sexuality in general and homosexuality in particular. The purpose of this indoctrination of the collective societal psyche is paramount to the self validating delusion of heterosexuality possessing moral validity. The reason that we never hear the term " heterosexual lifestyle" is because there is no need to catogorize heterosexuality as a choice in order to subconciously justify contempt and hatred through subjective comparison.
By the way, you can try and deny your true feelings for as long as it takes but you know deep down your truth and believing in God isn't gonna change it. Fathering children and marrying the opposite sex is still denial.
Omg 😱 I was waiting for Jim to say that he’s healed , changed !!!! Thanks Jim for being honest when you said that you’re still tempted and same sex attracted . That’s true … those who are saying- I’m healed - liars 😅